Every Support Hero is ANNOYING | OW2 Hot Takes #21

He ain't spittin'.
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[@acoluca]

Hot take: Zenyatta will be complained about until he gets a complete kit change. There are a lot of counter play methods but people don't wanna use them

[@m.artifex2001]

YOU GET IT

[@-.Outlaw.-]

Discord is just a brain dead ability and his right click doesn’t belong on a support. Make discord a skill shot and remove his burst dmg and then just increase his healing slightly to compensate.

[@ronramen5827]

I think the main problem is that discord gets so much value for so little work. Hiding behind a wall also doesn’t feel very fun, and while it’s better than discord literally having 0 cooldown in any way. A major change is needed because Zen does just feel bad to play against, and making it so that his abilities require any type of commitment would alleviate a lot of the pain. A plain cooldown probably ain’t the answer though.

[@subikomanner4193]

you guys cannot be serious..

[@yuriahlydon1408]

3 small hot takes: 1. DPS passive should be normalized by fire-rate/damage dealt. A stray Tracer bullet and a Widow scoped shot should not give the same 2 second healing reduction. 2. Tanks need more survivability, but this should not be more health. Turn ~100 health into armor on each tank. 3. Armor should be at the bottom of health pools. Once a tank runs out of armor, it becomes so much harder to keep them alive since they're taking more damage.

[@just_a_joke1]

This sounds really good - right now ball is meta because he has shields that prevent him from being afflicted with the DPS passive. In order to even out the playing field between tanks, I wonder if they should rather change that until the armor is off, DPS passive can't be afflicted on tanks/something similar.

[@ronramen5827]

I mean, ignoring the gameplay implications of #3, it’s just a weird idea to have armor under normal health. You break through armor to get to the squishy bits, unless we’re saying Reinhardt’s skin is harder than the suit of armor he wears.

[@noahneault6987]

Hot take: I think the OG tanks from Overwatch 1 need some major reworks. Most of the tanks were designed with 6v6 in mind and I think they need some R&D to make tank feel more impactful and less like you're just falling over whenever you try to make a play

[@poga23]

I think reaper and rein need a rework

[@TheOtherDoughnut]

It cannot solve the tank counter swap issue tho. We need two tanks or else they will just be miserable to play

[@chrismraz5007]

Hot Take: Scoreboard should be customizable. More details for your own team, of course, but I feel that for lower ranks seeing how much healing each hero has received (on your own team only) would be tremendously helpful.

[@Dingle.Donger]

For years I've said healing received should be public but the support babies are scared of getting flamed.

[@solarscreams2447]

Damage taken / healing received should just be a stat on the board. Helpful for all (on your team)

[@thenetiyeti]

issue is half the time the person complaining about "no healing" is literally just walking out in the open and expecting to live through it... so the stats WOULD show less healing received... but not the reason why@@Dingle.Donger

[@jayandremcmurtry7331]

@@Dingle.Donger well yea if ur only gonna use it to flame "support babies" then theres no reason for it to be public

[@tesla6938]

@@Dingle.Dongerby typing that comment you are spewing you don’t understand the game, healing received isn’t just on the support, it’s also on the dps’s positioning. it’ll only make dps players flame people even more and make the game less fun

[@stevedoom8783]

These guys do not solo queue. They don’t know what’s it’s like to play as a solo queue

[@Poplarman]

It's hell

[@KlebinDaBoca]

Debatable.

[@bye1551]

Exactly lmao the terrible response to the second comment kinda shows it. "Oh solo q is admittedly terrible and we have data to prove this.... but a win loss system is fine because we're operating in a bad oversimplified elo system so we need to oversimplify our variables." Like dude hes not arguing against the win loss system he's arguing against the system that necessitates a win loss measurement (ELO itself). These people are so out of touch, they genuinely don't know what it's like to play solo q and not be so massively better than everyone else that you CAN have that solo carry impact. Even unranked to GM "challenges" don't actually help them understand it just proves it further by how fast the game pushes them ahead to the next rank because it knows they're ruining the game for lower ranked players. So the solution is just to instantly be GM level?

[@defaultdan7923]

solo queue literally isn’t even that bad imo also he has a point. you can pop off, but if you’re not winning the game, it wasn’t enough. more than likely, however, if you maintain that performance your next team will be better and you’ll easily carry. i would absolutely agree with him that this game has so many variables that a w/l system is basically the only way to properly gauge rank. edit: typo

[@jonasdowner]

look, i'm new and solo q is brutal. that said, if you are consistently performing at slightly above your rank then every team you're on will have one high quality player and four chances at trash. the enemy team will have five chances at trash. believe it or not that small edge will translate to wins. it just takes a lot of games.

[@DavidReyes0224]

Hot take: One shots may not be great for the game, but a hero like hanzo doesnt have any identity without it. Heres a compromise: hanzo base Headshot damage for fully charged normal arrows changed to 225, but give headsgots Bleed damage of 50 over 5 seconds. This will give a window to save if they get healed by support or pick up a health pack, but will still kill if they dont heal. These numbers arent set in stone obviously, but i think something like this would help bring back hanzos identity and not just a spam bot.

[@deebosamuelsfather6453]

If that’s hanzo “identity” then hanzo just shouldn’t exist

[@Sir_Cumference314]

I’ve always thought that one shots could be given more balance by either tying them to an ability so atleast you knew the cooldown for when it was possible (if possible adding a visual indicator would also be nice) OR balance them out by having it be less frequent. Widow kind of has this with her shots needing to be charged you can’t spam your shots or it does less damage and hanzo’s trajectory changes with how long you hold the fire key just make it take much longer to charge and it would be much more balanced since they would maybe get one pick but now they’ve given away their position and they won’t have enough time to charge another shot before you can dive them or counter snipe.

[@commandoghost5883]

My idea for hanzo was kinda have like a timing thing with arrows kinda like nomine from jjk but that’s good idea as well 👍

[@halohaalo2583]

Surely you have some compensation nerf for his machine gun tank deletion ability then right?

[@just_a_joke1]

I don't know man, he would be really strong with one-shots. His identity is a sniper that can't be punished by dive (E + Wall climbing + Jump on a short cooldown). Giving him a one-shot potential is just not fair to Widowmaker, who has only a grapple to defend herself from dive. He's a mid B right now - just wait until they nerf hitscans/other oppressive heroes and he'll be alright.

[@Htiy]

People have complained about every support utility a ton. If theyre all broken, maybe none are😅

[@AnimeOtaku56.]

Or maybe and hear me out most are.

[@Htiy]

⁠@@AnimeOtaku56.eh to me it was always survivability/raw healing which made supports broken before this update. people cried discord orb is broken, but zen was a pretty weak hero post nerf pre rework. Or nade, but ana is not great right now despite nade. Or how illari broke the game because of turret creep, but really numbers and breakpoint changes made her go from meta to average to bad now. Not even bothering with mercy bap kiriko because same thing To me the utility was never The problem. Theyre all impactful, but hearing that theyre all fundamentally broken and needing a full rework at some point, I disagree with. Almost everything in OW is fundamentally broken in any other fps anyway

[@its_lucky252]

no they all are

[@andrealelli7505]

OW players when Supports can support (omg how dare they)

[@S0UPIE]

How is Lúcio annoying, actually, don't answer that. He's not broken though.

[@sythraxx777]

Hot take: Sombra's invisibility should flat out be on a cooldown similar to echoes flight you should get 7-9 seconds of invisibility and when you break it you should have to wait for your cooldown back like everyone else. She now HAS to disengage after an engagement vs getting invisibility back for free for using another cooldown.

[@m.artifex2001]

History repeats itself... launch sombra shall return

[@davidbasaldua274]

Hot take: It's better to do the "wrong" thing together than the "right" thing alone. 5 idiots together are stronger than 1 smart person alone.

[@joereed8872]

As Jayne once said, "one person doing a dumb thing is a mistake. A full team doing the same dumb thing is a strategy."

[@AIMLESS-NAMELESS]

Depends how dum the thing is tbh

[@KlebinDaBoca]

​@@AIMLESS-NAMELESS holding spawn doors can be considered stupid in some scenarios while still working if there is 5 people doing it, for example.

[@ccricers]

This is actually how most teams roll other teams in bronze lobbies. A perfect storm of random synergies are determining the outcome.

[@Chronochrome]

this was a legitimate strategy for many OWL teams

[@Daniel-wp5hl]

Maybe hot take... supports are supposed to be annoying, they are meant to stop the enemy from doing something. That could be preventing a kill or pressuring the flanking hero. That's part of their job, they are meant to be annoying

[@dorrianbrooks9408]

Thank god, someone gets it. If a support isn't annoying, they're either your teammate making things easier for you, or they're an enemy support that's not doing shit

[@-.Outlaw.-]

Literally not what supports are supposed to do. It’s basically only Overwatch that has supports designed this way. Supports are supposed to provide buffs and status effects for THEIR team. Not instantly shut down anything the other team does.

[@azura8675]

@@-.Outlaw.-Instantly shut down being the key here, which the original reply never implied should be the case. Also this is a FPS game. Most support roles in FPS games can shoot and kill people.

[@-.Outlaw.-]

@@azura8675 the point isn’t that they can kill people, it’s that they do too much dmg. A supports ttk should be twice as long as a DPS, no support should be doing more than 3-5k dmg in a match yet half of them can easily put out 10k. Supports are fundamental flawed from a design standpoint as they have an inherent value ceiling above their other counterparts well being just as easy if not easier to play and master.

[@azura8675]

@@-.Outlaw.- This is not true this season after they introduced dps passive. Dps have a much higher value ceiling now.

[@madcaster_2728]

Hot take from an ex-T500 road hog main in OW1 and individual presently pursuing a master’s degree in psychology: The only delusion surrounding ranked grinds is the supposition of superiority. If someone is a higher rank than you, that is more indicative of playtime than skill. In my T500 grind in the past, I was not a T500 player. I was diamond on a good day. However, I was playing for 12 hours a day, and became attuned enough to the meta to find ways to contribute to my games on a consistent basis. Don’t let higher ranked players bully you into feeling inferior, check their vods and find out yourself.

[@heavenly_headshot7003]

Support changes: Ana’s heal should be 80 per shot she should have the highest single target healing Lucio should heal 20hps, and to compensate his boosted heal should be 40hps for 4 seconds instead of 3 seconds and the more teammates in his aura this is boosted by 5 hps per team mate. His heal should lock his sound switch with this And zens orb should heal teammates around the target for 50% of the orbs heal (15 hps)

[@Ron742_]

Why is time on the objective not shown on the scoreboard? Why can't we see individual ranks or party size of the other team in comp at the Vs. screen?

[@tesla6938]

putting individual ranks will only lead to insulting players and does nothing else, time on objective on the scoreboard doesn’t really matter and would just clutter it

[@Ron742_]

@@tesla6938 On the rank insults, maybe, but I still want to know if the other team is stacked or not, out of curiosity. On the topic of objective time, I would agree, except we have things like damage mitigated on there now. Objective time should be up there before damage mitigated imo.

[@tesla6938]

@@Ron742_ i agree damage mitigation doesn’t matter even for most tanks, but i don’t think objective time feels like it adds anything much, mit is also there to stop people from insulting the tank i’d assume, cause it makes it look like they’re doing more

[@drbiohazmat]

Regarding the heroes tiers on maps and points, I think it would be helpful if we had a website that showed for each hero approximate matchups and information on why it's that and what to do, and what maps and points they're good or bad on and why, etc

[@ThicciJo]

it puts a smile on my face to know that 21 episodes into this series you still have no idea what a hot take is 🤣 love the videos

[@panampace]

Isn’t a hot take just an opinion that you know is controversial and you know you might be ignorant about but you stick by it?

[@brandonburns6639]

​@panampace basically yeah. A hot take is a take where the majority of peoples immediate reaction is "nah that's wrong"

[@Scorchx23]

Hot take: wrecking ball should be changed to a dps. Since ow2, it’s been proven that his kit is not built for 5v5, and he’s been pretty much useless until this patch, where his only job is to survive and let your dps do all the work. Make him have 350 health/armour/shields, make him smaller (maybe bastion sized) and make rework his adaptive shields to be a more damage dealing ability, and I think he could fulfil a roll similar to sombra and work very well as a general disruptor while still having a tank to back him up.

[@TheMortalKombatent]

you might as well do the same with doom

[@Scorchx23]

@@TheMortalKombatent well doom works as a dive tank at least, only reason I don’t like him as a tank is because Winston and dva already are great dive tanks, but wrecking ball needs another tank to help him take off pressure, he’s not designed to solo tank at all, and doom is

[@ironencepersonal9634]

33% tenacity seems a little low imo. I would go 50% status effect resistance to start out, and tune it as it goes. Of course this would only work if we didn't get updates once a month or whatever it is. I never paid attention to their schedule.

[@DEML91]

Brings new bash could still have an interrupt outside the ult , small change that would be very circumstantial as most heroes don't even have a channel ability.

[@Sir_Cumference314]

I think that certain heroes have been left behind so many heroes especially in the dps role either received no changes at all other than to their numbers or the “reworks” were so meaningless that it basically inspired the same playstyle as before. One example is soldier 76 I feel as though even though he is the “call of duty” character (sprint, shoot, nade, occasionally heal) there is so much that could have been done with him he is a genetically enhanced super soldier with years of experience as the leader of overwatch and as a vigilante why not have him make use of the fact that he is more than just his gun and give him a new ability or two that actually inspires a different playstyle than what we already had in the original OW.

[@dr.flatface6276]

Elo comes from the Arpad Elo ranking formula developed from chess

[@ThatGuy-em2yl]

About the DPS passive: I think that it's duration should be based on the amount of damage delt. This would make the dumb tick damage from tracer/reaper not be as crazy, and burst heros like Hanzo/junkrat would have a longer effectiveness

[@echoheretic91]

I am fundamentally against anything that helps junket in any form, he may not be broken he may not be OP, but he provided way too much value for required skill.

[@onekn1ghtstands105]

Couple Room Temp Takes: Change the scoreboard so Elims are read more like 'Last Hit Kill' or something similar. Too many people least around gold/plat think elims are flat kills. 2nd: Change the dps passive on tanks to 10 or 15%. They are the biggest targets and alone. Tanks need to be able to...tank. Thanks for your time whomever

[@Gimnbo]

My loot box comment wasn't meant to be a hot take. It was just a comment. That's why I didn't preface it with "hot take."

[@MeMyselfAndK]

Mauga doesn't have bad hero design. He merely exists in a state of OW where Tank is unfun to play; we do not have a frame of reference for the big guy who doesn't die and blasts dual miniguns like the badass he is.

[@mcgalister3705]

Hot Take: The DPS passive should have a build up mechanic that adds an X% healing reduction per X damage dealt. For example, for each 50 damage a hero receives, a 5% healing reduction charge is added to this hero (capped at a certain percent or number of charges). Every 1 second of not taking damage would remove one of these charges for example. Tanks could be tuned so either the required damage per charge is higher or the percent reduction per charge is lower. This would also add a bit of interesting play from Supports because their healing would be initially better if they notice and respond quickly to new incoming damage.

[@Snowblind113]

My hot take: dps and support passives are cheap ways to try and balance each role and has made their actual abilities less impactful over time as they get nerfed to counter the passive effects. I think that’s one reason abilities from certain characters can feel oppressive. As an Ana main I miss the high risk/ high reward of her kit from OW1 versus the pile of mush she is now with her support passive. Yes I survive more engagements without health packs, but god damn is it boring.

[@jsos9434]

When i switched to OW from Paladins one thing i did miss was the customization of characters. From choosing 1 of 3 talents just before match to the granular building of loadout/decks. Would be very cool to see some of these aspects implemented in ow (even an arcade more) somehow. It’d be fun to see KarQ try paladins!!!

[@kaspart1645]

i miss brigs shield bash+whipshot dash she could do when she first was added

[@Dr3am9553]

Hot take: kirikos damage profile makes her very feast or famine while ruining her for the lower skill tiers Hear me out. She was originally sold as flanker/assassin support but we found out heal botting for ult was the way. Then they smoked the ult. Its charge rate. Nerfed suzu from an invuln standpoint but made it more responsive and heal more. And made her swap from healing to damage more fluid But all they did to her damage was give her more kunais. Buff the fire rate a little and change the minimum damage from 40... to 45. But lowered the headshot multiplier a little... doing basically nothing lol Just have her shoot 60 damage kunais and she does 2x for headshots... she doesn't 2 tap non widow/tracer anymore. But you don't feel like you are meleeing someone to death... because that's how it is when you don't headshot lol

[@AIMLESS-NAMELESS]

Pretty sure moiras be can be classed as a lock on because it follows you when you leave, unlike sym and Zarya beam.

[@anarpurevbaatar4945]

Hot take: dps passive length should vary based on character and ability. For example tracer's dps passive should be 1 second, but widow should be 4 seconds. Ashe's main weapon should be 3 sec, but her dynamite should be 1 sec (after it runs out).

[@kadenlalani381]

My take: make DPS have 1 role spot and Tank have 2. 1 tank has made the game counterwatch and makes dying happen much more. This would also alleviate the abysmal performance of support this season (bc DPS passive) by bringing more sustain and less of this passive Also slows the game a bit, allowing more strategic thinking instead of the “which soldier hits his shots first”

[@hoolly]

The thing with the dps passive is kinda - you can buff the raw number from a heal ability - but that raw number will be a specific situation where you can get it. Lets take ana heal as an example - how often do you really heal the 70 heal per shot at the moment? all these little passive things are just kinda weird to calculate and know cause every raw heal number need to put in a specific situation if that will really works (espacially without the visual indicator for the dps passive)

[@kenyankellum4311]

Cold take: rein is the worst tank ever in overwatch half of the roster can essentially negate his ability to play the game

[@zacharywoodford8530]

If a beam has a hitbox the size of truck than it is a lock on lol

[@Jim674the18]

KarQ has spoken! 🤣

[@jayebeeson9372]

KarQ give a consistent definition of hot take challenge

[@dairreagh6468]

🤓

[@marc-andreblais5818]

what if supports had a secondary small passive where they would automatically heal allies in a radius around them a bit like lucio heal does but at like 1-2 health per second. something very small but that could be interesting if you can keep a fight lasting, you get healed quite a bit over time.

[@thanaxim]

hot take: having a mercy pocket is more of a burden than a blessing. sure, ur dmg numbers are higher but i already have the dps passive. it just feels like more eyes are on me when her blue beam is connected and i have to keep her safe. i main pharah so i cant rlly be aggressive or it'll put her in danger etc. (ana or zen pocket>)

[@cnnr_]

With the stacking question, stacking may not improve the win rate of equally skilled players, but someone analyzed flats this season and his solo win rate was ~45 and duo was 56% and 4/5 were ~54%. The conclusion is that lower skilled and/or equally skilled players are getting carried and/or preforming better when teamed up.

[@spartan5185]

hot take: make the new competitive point system 15 points for a win 5 for a loss. It sucks to lose a long match just to be basically not rewarded with anything. Also bring back rank rewarded points for the end of the season. I’m usually busy with school and don’t get to play as much to grind for some of the skins. That system helped me a lot to get gold skins in the past because I would usually place in diamond to master!

[@steveskywalker25]

Could try swapping open que or adding different ones every now and then

[@patrickream8062]

I lowkey love the projectile one. It would be funny for like only bronze

[@ricoshitjoestar9257]

I really miss the sweaty +12k healing videos 😔

[@clarkkent1616]

that person who suggested rank specific projectile sizes was spittin... it would probably fail in practice because it would be abused, but on paper i really like it. i get to go back how the game was before s9 (i hate the new hitboxes) and lower rank players get the qol buff that helps them find the game more enjoyable

[@BrambleJam]

The "multiple passive" idea could be called talents, and each one of the three could change one aspect of the champion, thats such a great idea you could build a game around it! .....oh wait. 😂

[@lucienpavone3443]

anytime i post in the subreddit this one mod removes it💀

[@jpinehurst9402]

You mention Lucio speed boost and Mercy damage boost as things that don't show on the scoreboard, but they do, on the personal scoreboard and in the assist counter. Literally anything you can mark as an indicator of skill could be measured, including line of sight manipulation or the effectiveness of a rez. There *should* be some individual influence on rank, and if there seem to be outliers gaming the system, you don't throw away the system, you use statistics and add weight to numbers to keep it fair. Furthermore, maybe a hot take, the scoreboard should show final blows, and we should get a comprehensive post-game scoreboard for EVERYONE'S stats, complete with Shield Damage, accuracy, damage dealt and to whom, damage received and by whom, healing received and from whom, healing dealt and to whom (could be handled with an expandable menu for cleanliness), damage boosted/amped/nano'd, assists, lives saved, objective time, objective kills, all of it. Not checkable during the game, for the sake of not giving people an activity to use to be toxic during a match, but it would give a lot more helpful information, especially when reviewing a match. And honestly, it would feel good to see that the ego-boosted Soldier who went 37-14, next to me at 32-9, only got their damage by mashing into the tank and has half my final blows.

[@rogue_ruggie]

Hot Take: remove the ult retention passive from all roles and instead take away their ult charge or make it so it the ult cost increases if you swap so many times within a certain amount of time. This way you can keep the counter swapping mechanic, but it puts more emphasis on skill with any given hero and not a game of rock-paper-scissors for the tank role specifically.

[@buffhorses3632]

I could be wrong but back in the day you gained sr based off wins obviously but the hero you played and the stats that you got on that hero played into your sr gains/ losses as well. So if you had a really good game as Lucio the system would base your gains partly off of other Lucio players stats. Thats how one tricks were able to climb to t500. Like how otp sym mains could climb very high just because nobody played the hero so when they won they gained more than their teammates and when they lost they lost less sr than their teammates.

[@jxgalaxy3810]

Hot Take: As someone who has half-decent aim, snipers never make Overwatch, or almost any game that includes them, fun. They literally play a point and click simulator that only gets interrupted if they get dove, and they are so weak at close range that they go from being extremely powerful to helpless. I'm mainly talking about Widow, who I think is by far the worst character in this game, but to a certain extent Ashe, and Hanzo. In a game with Widow, it is impossible for both the Widow and the other team to both have fun at the same time.

[@volktol4432]

My hot take is that you should try playing Paladins, it’s pretty fun and chill

[@8lackyj188]

My friends and I played paladins a lot during a summer a few years back. It was so fun, silly ass game

[@atagen2186]

my cold take is that I tried but it's completely dead in my region

[@isiahmikester]

facts paladins is a chill game

[@volktol4432]

@@8lackyj188 yea it’s very fun, and funny enough, while I did play some of Overwatch 1, I actually played paladins before I ever touched Overwatch

[@volktol4432]

@@atagen2186 oh rip😭idk if you can change your region on Paladins but maybe they’ve added one🤷‍♂️

[@Oneloaffan1000]

hot take: junkrat can’t be a fun and/or good hero without his one shot or a rework. in metal ranks it’s easy to get value by spam however in higher elo it was incredibly hard to get value with junk and now in season 9 even with buffs he is still insanely bad and need his one shot to work

[@kingmoosh2004]

i agree honestly, i think primary and mine damage both need to go up to 125, one shots arent fun but he needs to hit both a direct and a max damage mine to pull it off on a 250 hp hero, i would say thats fair

[@just_a_joke1]

As a Pharah main, I feel you. If devs aren't willing to give his one-shot back, then we can expect them to come up with some sort of rework in the near future..the one that offers meaningful mobility against hitscan heroes.

[@jacobbaartz7710]

Hot take: players need to figure out what supports they're happy facing. We can't dance both sides, whining when a character like illiari has kill potential, but also lament when supports can deny plays.

[@dropshot3313]

Hot take:the only reason why I hate (this can go for a lot of people)push and flashpoint is because they don’t have near than enough maps to balance the gamemodes at all, it gets way to boring and repetitive to play the same old 2 and 4 maps

[@TraeceJay]

Not a lock on? How is a very forgiving beam that has a huge hitbox to the point where you can just hold the trigger not considered lock on? I get it’s semantics but come in it’s basically lock on

[@MoistBagels]

Hot take: Junkrat primary should explode on impact instead of bouncing, making nade jumps easier and choke spam worse. This would make him less annoying for low rank players and give him more skill expression, and buffing primary damage to give his one shot combo back would be more reasonable at low ranks.

[@BrambleJam]

2 hot takes: 1) a hero shooter where nearly any hero can be 1 shot by a large portion of the roster makes an unequal skill gap. Especially on console against anything pc/mnk. 2) OW should add the current damage numbers as the shots/abilities connect.

[@purplezeppelin6583]

Hanamura was actually fine , and needs to be brought back into the map pool immediately

[@anettelma123]

0:36 YEAS!!!

[@BOOMbear214]

How about bring scatter shot back only vs Orisa. 😂

[@willtheconqueror6148]

2 Hot takes: 1. Only Tanks should have CC abilities 2. Unranked to GM is cool and all but I don’t think these content creators can take an account from bronze 5 to GM by only solo queueing and dealing with those problems. I started on OW2 and I was placed in silver, dropped to bronze 5 and in one year I made it to masters 5 solo queuing. It took tons of hard work and dedication. But these content creators will 3,4 or 5 stack in placements and get high ranks and this disproves their cognitive dissonance that you don’t need good teammates. Michael Jordan was never winning any championship without Scottie Pippen and the team. Yea your own gameplay matters more than anything else because that’s what you can control. But let’s not act like these content creators solo climb from the depths of bronze and deal with those same teammates we complain about.

[@javianbrown8627]

Tanks in low ranks don't get deleted immediately from a sleep dart and the reason is someone on your team is going to wake them immediately and probably die to the same tank

[@whaloob]

This shouldn’t be a hot take, but role passives benefiting some heroes more than others isn’t a problem (you just have to account for it when balancing heroes, such as how Tracer became broken by being the biggest beneficiary of the dps passive and may need a compensatory nerf), and they do help to give roles an identity.

[@uyeah1234]

Problem is that that was not something designed, it was not a strategic choice, the devs just made a bandid, blanket solution that happened to buff some more then others, which will always happen giving blanket changes to 20 plus heroes. It's not really an identity if every one has the samething. It was not a well designed identity out of game balance, just random effects out of a badly executed change. If it was damage based or had varying effects based on your fire rate that would should they did care about identity but they didn't.

[@whaloob]

@@uyeah1234 “a blanket solution happening to buff some more than others” isn’t a problem-you just have to adjust your balance of other factors accordingly, such as nerfing Tracer for being absurdly good at applying the dps passive on top of already being really strong outside of it-and the identity is for the role, not the characters, so “everyone (IN THAT ROLE) having the same thing” supports a unified identity rather than detracting from it. Besides, what gives you the idea that it wasn’t a strategic choice lol

[@JoltOfJoy]

Hot take: Rein is mostly fine he just needs minor adjustments. A small base movement speed buff and damage reduction shield passive only for him would be decent.

[@jagbanks6280]

Me a bro have been doing all our placements together and I'm always consistently a full division or so above him

[@xAnjoox]

Completely agree with the first hot take. Ranking should not be based on wins and losses if it is not a 1v1. CoD Bo4 had this system where the wins and losses mattered but how you played determines your skill rank. Whereas in Pokemon it is a true elo system for a 1v1. It is infuriating dropping rank going 43-5 with 19k damage and 17k mitigated only to lose because my support was playing Ana in season 9, or my dps had their head up their ass for half the game😔 Edit: solo Q is a nightmare…but when I play with my friends the elo system is fine because it’s a 5v5

[@nfortin24]

I agree that the system is flawed for teams vs 1v1 but you can't really compare it to CoD.. Most CoD game modes can be won/lost via eliminations, you don't necessarily HAVE to play the objective, unlike OW. Its easier to determine an SR based on stats in those situations. In OW you can go 20-2 and still easily lose... its pretty hard to do that in CoD.

[@noahjenkins5201]

Hot take: Buff Rein, make him able to move full speed while shield up, give him damage reduction while charging, raise fire strike damage, and raise armor. ANNNDD he will still be probably be bad

[@whaloob]

Elo in a team game is still fair, and it still works, but it’s noisier. In 1v1 environments where your own skill is more valuable in each individual game, it takes fewer games for your rating to reflect your “true” skill; teams mean that individually you will lose games you didn’t “deserve” to, but the opposite is also true and over many games your influence will denoise those games

[@Cream_OW]

hot take: doom players complain and overreact WAY more than mercy players, AND when mercy players do complain about something, it valid at least 90% of the time.

[@Summonick2]

Haha KarQ saw the video about flats wr

[@RaddyC]

Hot take: McCree’s flash bang would fit perfectly into the game now after the season 9 changes.

[@AwesomeWookiee]

Hot Take: If it already critiques you for why it thinks you aren't playing well, it should tell you how it thinks you can get better (with a percentage certainty). Context: STILL a piece of GaRbagE.

[@macariocontreras6807]

My rank is stuck on gold 1 regardless if I win or loose it’s broken

[@toasted_ll]

dont know if this is really that hot of a take, but i believe rein needs a better steadfast passive like 40-50%, with all the boops in the game and especially lucio getting the boop buff i feel as tho the one melee character shouldnt be pushed around by 5 heros on the enemy team, at times they have more control over where he goes then the player playing rein

[@theROGUEone86]

Hot take: Sombra is a cancer to the game. Being infinitely invisible with your whole kit based on preventing other players from playing the game and use their abilities to escape/combat her is wildly frustrating.

[@crumblyburgers]

My solo win rate is way better than my group. When I play with friends we lose a lot.

[@user-er9xv2qh6k]

Hot take: I think Roadhog should not be affected by dps passive at all. It's unfair, that it's his main way of doing mitigating damage and he is being hard nerfed while other tanks has shields or blocks or extra hp that not being affected by that dps passive that much as him. For him not to be too broken his damage reduction from healthbreather obviously should be lowered like to 35-40%

[@spacecowboy7193]

Moira’s beam is not a lock-on… you just have to aim within 2 AND A HALF FEET OF THE TARGET! That’s cope, man. Dude is so bad at aiming he misses with Moira. The hero sucks and needs to be deleted.

[@Hisokaxchrollo]

Crazy admission of a skill issue

[@smittywerbenjagermanjensen320]

I’m not very good, but she got me to Masters 5 last season. Currently diamond 5

[@TheMortalKombatent]

@@smittywerbenjagermanjensen320 i have a 70% win rate over 80 hours with her. compared to 55 with brig who i have 50 hours with

[@spacecowboy7193]

@@smittywerbenjagermanjensen320 yeah, I quit playing her years ago because it made the game too easy. She’s been broken for years.

[@FirstDukeOfGaming]

Hot take: Junkrat is not bad. People don't realize the value he gets beyond the 2-shot combo

[@elidelp6]

Rein doesn't need to be buffed, he needs a minor rework (potentially a full rework). I just don't feel like he is an OW2 hero and they can't buff him too much without making him broken at low ELO

[@AngrySecs]

Hot take: the only reason that 5v5 is "better" is because the devs are actually supporting it. If 6v6 had the support and consistent updates that 5v5 has had 6v6 would be more balanced. The way to win most games right now is just counter pick the tank, its not only the biggest target but theres only one of them to focus on. 6v6 would easily help eliviate the "counterwatch" issue by having another tank to help relieve pressure from you even if they counter pick, making tank a much more enjoyable role.

[@derpyderpdederp620]

We already saw what 6v6 looked like with OW1.

[@AngrySecs]

@derpyderpdederp620 yes when it wasn't supported/updated properly so of course it failed. It never stood a chance

[@cmmcfielful]

@@derpyderpdederp620and we currently see what 5v5 looks like being a balance nightmare and tank is even more of a bashed on role yet it is one of the more influential. You can potentially win a 4v5 if a dps or support happen to leave or are non impactful. You will 1000% lose if your tank is non impactful or leaves.

[@dedalomusic]

The whole "counterwatch/tank is rock paper scissors" thing has been debunked over and over. Other than a very small number of hard counters, countering is mostly a psychological matter.

[@AngrySecs]

@@dedalomusic source? Debunked implies that it's been proven so surely you have some type of video or source to provide

[@ZacharothAnimations]

Hot take: Blizzard should never allow players to 'go infinite' with the Battle Pass. This battle pass is already the greatest battle pass out of the live service games around, and enabling players to do so would mean they'd need to make it harder to complete as otherwise; they'd actively be losing money as a company. Get over the idea of owning everything, and savor purchasing the items you truly are excited for.

[@winton_overwatcher]

They should add in KOST like what R6 has

[@MefoWho]

Damage mitigated serves no purpose as a stat. Replace it with healing received and maybe the tank that hogged all the heal wont complain he doesnt get healed, same goes for the dps.

[@bye1551]

Hot take: content creators play almost a completely different game to the rest of us and going to them for advice is unhelpful. It'd be like asking a professional chef with thousands of dollars worth of equipment who has to make consistent, amazing food quickly why your Kraft single grilled cheese isnt melting properly. They can help you with some of the stepping stones to get to a higher level but they're far too out of touch to help the average player.

[@zenpvnk]

Not-surprisingly, you're purposefully ignoring what he actually said ... he didn't say Ana's sleep dart hits 75% of the time... he said almost anyone can land **a NADE or sleep ** ON A TANK ** ... 75% of the time, which, with how big tanks are, and how big projectiles are, is probably actually a gross underestimate. I mean, if you miss a nade or sleep on a tank you'd have to be playing blindfolded, while eating a sandwich. With both hands. I know Ana's WANT to believe they're a "skill" character, but she has her pick and win rate over the last 7 years for a reason, and that reason isn't because she's difficult to play.

[@barongrimoire9043]

I’m the exception to this. My aim sucks and I miss half my sleeps even on tanks

[@7ilver]

bro chose one super specific situation and used it to generalize across the whole character in all situations 💀

[@bobothebob4716]

Hm.. My win rate when 3 stacking is like 80-90% in the D1-M2 range. I think stacking is pretty busted right now. Can't speak to higher player counts. We queue 1 of each role, which eliminates 2 stacks of DPS and 2 stacks of support. This is a conspiracy, but I think 2 stacks of a single role don't provide as good a value as they both do the same thing and don't gain as much of an advantage as you would with cross role duos. Anyway, that's my theory and I'm sticking to it. Playing solo queue is absolutely miserable, as your stuck with tank swap vs otp lottery.

[@NPJuve16]

Hot Take: Remove deadeye. Worst ult in the game. Instead give Cass his stun back as his ult. At least you could get one kill with it…

[@saltyswann898]

Hot Take: Apex is F2P and has a Battle Pass, loot boxes, and a store. So why can't Ow do the same? and you could simply replace the souvenirs we get in the battle pass with boxes, no?

[@damsone4751]

Hot take: I’d rather have leavers than people who are purposely afk. I hate when someone gets killed once and then they just start bullshitting and whine without leaving the match

[@Love2beNaked]

Dude, KarQ going to bat and try to explain stacking not being as good as people think is dumb as hell. Its disingenuous to say crunch the stats when its kind of undeniable better. I do not see stacking as a problem for rank or general play, its a team game and of course playing with people you know is going to be drastically better than playing with randoms. Even just one player you regularly play with in the lobby makes your experience much better. I just wish I can see who is grouped up on my team and on the enemy team along with matchmaking 5 stacks with other 5 stacks. I think overwatch needs to allow stacking in top level play for sure, as that's what the goal of a team based shooter is, to assemble a ruthless team of friends to climb. Its basically a requirement for other games like Siege to get a group together to hit top ranks and I think overwatch should take some of those aspects. Overwatch is a game where individuals not playing their roles in the team stops the rest of the team from being able to succeed so as messed up as it is, solo queue climbing is supposed to be worse in a team based shooter. In siege and other shooters, its pretty common to scoop up randoms you met in your lobbies for ranked and I wish that was more encouraged by overwatch. Constantly pandering to solo queue one tricks is not competative at all, as while it does encourage independent growth as a player, ITS A TEAM BASED SHOOTER. Do people think when they watch nationals, they just scooped up all the best solo queue players they could and made a team? NO, They are the best TEAMS with tones of experience playing together. What funny is that XBOX and PS4 dont really have the voice chat vs discord problem, as people just join a party. There is not really a way to fix people being on discord over game chat, but I think to thing to aid this issue is to show the grouped players like they used 2 in addition to matchmaking them with similar groups. No solo queue player wants play against a 5 stack with a 4 stack team that doesn't want to talk to them in game chat, as that clearly leaves them out of the team dichotomy. With that said, Overwatches goal should not be to split up the other 9 players to pander for the 1!

[@demigurlxd5781]

Hot take: leavers deserve to get punished even in quick play. I only had time for about 4 matches tonight all 4 games either had many leavers on my team making it impossible to win or I was backfill in a losing match. When people que into backfill they leave but not me I feel like I am punished for wanting to see a game to its end sometimes. Sign up to play or dont play at all.

[@Noname2421.]

Hot take: dps should have the fastest ult charge tank should have a medium ult charge and support should have the longest since support ults usually decide the team fight

[@pebl7735]

I would argue tanks have the most game changing ultimates

[@nujinsk]

Only Win/Lost system is totally unfair and stupid. Your skill should determinate your rank, and not only how other four people in your team are doing. Yeah, win should have a big impact on your rank, but should not be the only factor. I personally have no motivation to play Comp because of this, because this way it feels like my skill is meaningless. And in OW you have 1000 different stats that are recorded, so it sure could be done in a way that that match stats could factor to your progression, e.g. you have damage/10 min, so in your current rank players on same hero have avg. 10k damage, but you do 12k, you should have a little bonus (and when you do only 5k, you gest penalty). It could go for healing and damage boosts the same. And yes, it would have to be tweaked and counted that one stat should have more impact then other, but from 2016 they could really done it by now.

[@MasterMemo]

I miss CC, but I see why other people don't like it. I think it's important to the balance, but it's not super needed at the moment imo.

[@cnnr_]

The win/loss system isn't perfect but it is probably the best single definer of your performance. I was in a game where the only reason we won was because the bastion who kept dying swapped to sombra and just hacked health packs and res mercy the ball couldn't go for health and the mercy couldn't res him. They finished 2-7 and we won during overtime on push. I've personally played a lot of low elim Tracer gameplay where I've had two supports pocket each other at spawn for 30 seconds+ without killing them. Should that not be better than if I were in the team fight, peppered 3 of the enemy team so technically i get countered in the elim, but kirko ulted and mercy res and we lost. I'll end up with a better looking scoreboard, but a loss. Over the course of a few games, even a few dozen the win/loss is an inaccurate representation of your ability to work in a team and your performance in the game. But once you get into the hundreds of games and thousands of games, an average of your wins/losses against differently ranked opponents is a relatively accurate representation of your skill in a tram based game.

[@sergeyson423]

Hot Take: OW is and was Very similar to WoW arena. So the addition of Mortal strike effect (dps passive) should've been done Years ago! They certainly should add more mechanics from wow (cc reduction e.g.). It's obvious that they are trying to invent a wheel while wow team invented all solutions Decades ago

[@Freddogod]

Console gets so much hate for aim assist when people don’t realise half the time it can negatively affect you too, the amount of times I’ve been shooting someone in the distance and someone walks infront of me and it impacts my aim is so annoying

[@ivanruiz1110]

Hot take?: If Orisa's fortify negates Mauga "forced crits" why Ball in ball form can't??

[@andersondavis1228]

Not defending orisa but the reason is because fortify is a cooldown and orisa doesn’t have the same mobility as ball

[@harryvpn1462]

I mean they work differently, in fortify orisa can still get headshot, its just negated, while in ball form he just doesnt have a head to shoot

[@Jim674the18]

I actually agree with you

[@djspi]

Hot take: saying "hey youtube" as though we only exist on youtube feels bad and i dont like how much ive been hearing it lately. This isnt twitch where people love being "chat"