Every time they got Daenerys Targaryen Wrong! | Mad Queen? | Game of Thrones

Daenerys Targaryen in the final Season of Game of Thrones took a nose dive from empathetic merciful mhysa to Mad Queen. It's been one year since Game of Thrones Season 8 Episode 5 The Bells and I still am mad at what was done with the character Daenerys Targaryen! In this video I will go over Daenerys Targaryen in the A song of Ice and Fire books, As well as the supposed foreshadowing that Daenerys would become a mad queen in the show! Almost all of the evidence used is show only evidence, It didn't make sense a year ago and it doesn't make sense today and every time I think about it I get mad all over again! I Stand by Daenerys Targaryen! The one true queen of Westeros, Mother of Dragons Breaker of chains! Thanks for Watching!
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[@armandopena4929]

"We planned mad Dany for years" "We planned Arya to kill the Night's King for years" ...Keep telling me sweet, little lies~

[@nexis1293]

@El-ahrairah Here we go, here comes the stark purist.

[@nexis1293]

@El-ahrairah SFTU dude

[@LadyDynamitez]

@El-ahrairah Did you like... not watch the video you just commented on? Like this was literally spelling it out to you why it is nonsense.

[@nexis1293]

@El-ahrairah Because youre full of BS dude, nobody even knows what your talking about

[@danbarton2751]

Proper 🤣 absolute BS

[@alexandriac.5648]

They did the exact opposite of what they attempted to accomplish in Season 8. They made me hate the Starks and become a Targaryen loyalist for life. Thanks for the dragons now fuck off, you're not one of us. She sacrificed her armies and her dragons to save the North, who made it clear they did not appreciate her or respect her whatsoever. She was betrayed time and time again by her closest advisors. She told Jon exactly what would happen when he revealed his true identity and was absolutely correct. She deserved so much better. None of her behavior or past actions led up to or justified burning King's Landing after they surrendered.

[@ahsoka5216]

Same and I never thought I would hate the Starks, but after season 8, the writers made it seem like they only cared about themselves and became even larger backstabbers than the Lannisters by betraying Daenerys so they can have control over Westeros. It's soo off from their characters well except for Sansa who was taught by Cersei how to manipulate and deceive others.

[@racheldollton]

Oh, I absolutely agree. I hated the Starks in the end. The tried to make Arya some ninja badass when she just came off as this smug, arrogant girl. And Sansa... oh god don't get me started on her.

[@Diamondsrfvr]

This!!!

[@justineharper3346]

Same here

[@HawaiiBlueMermaid]

Alexandria C. Alexandria C. I agree with you as far as the show. I think Dany “may” go mad in the books! There’s so much content that GRRM will spell out. I feel that this was his original direction for Dany, but after the backlash and poor execution by D&D, I bet he will consider another way to close Dany’s story without her going “mad”.

[@Karina-jm2oe]

I can't believe it's been a year. The wound still feels fresh...

[@pplr1]

Because it was real. (Borrowing from someone else's comment but still a good one.)

[@HK-gm8pe]

there were a lot of things that made me angry but the fact how they treated dany....and people...why are people hating her...I will never understand that everything she did until season 8 made sense, she was hated for nothing

[@pplr1]

@@HK-gm8pe There are some people who probably didn't like when she came across as arrogant. That said she did a lot of good for a lot of people. So on balance she is positive to have around. Those who didn't like her may have been looking for excuses to even though the excuses don't excuse the season 8 nonsense. GoT is better if you just remove season 8. In Star Trek there is a mirror dimension where the personalities of the characters is different and usually more evil. Since they ignored long standing social traditions (season 2 showed us that bells don't means surrender) it makes it easier for me to say season 8 takes place in a mirror dimension detached from GoT.

[@dorothysalgado5337]

Karina I feel you

[@bigvirgonrg]

same here. I can’t hear about her or watch her, this is the first video I’ve watched of her in so long. I can’t even rewatch the series. I’ve never been sad over a character death like this

[@StannisHarlock]

Jon Snow beheads a man for disobedience. Madness is a useless plot device in the HBO show. All of their characters were mad according to the standards they judged Daenerys by.

[@lillypharaoh5945]

Rob beheads his most important ally lord and marries some random nurse in full dishonor. Tyrion kills his father, lover, and gets varys killed Jon snow beheads a man for disobeying, hangs a child, becoming loyal to Dany despite the northern people's trust in him Varys hates magic mindlessly Sansa feeds her ex to dogs, lies and gets her dire wolf killed, takes the side of an awhole prince who tried to kill her sister over her own little sister. Ned stark kills Arthur dayne while he was bleeding on his knees with a dagger in his back and then lies about it, he takes Jon snow and allows him to be treated like shit, he supported Robert's betrayal of rhaegar despite most of the common people wanting rhaegar for a king Dany is not justified for wanting the throne once she found out rhaegar's son is alive (it's his birthright and it's dishonorable of her to deny him the throne considering she never even grew up in westos and never suffers the shit that happens in westros when he did) So yeah everyone is fucked up in got

[@madridforever933]

@@lillypharaoh5945 The point is that Dany wasnt "mad" like her father. It was a series of stupid plot devices presented as delusional reasons to make her flip a switch at the end.

[@lillypharaoh5945]

@@madridforever933 yeah it's not though even in the books dany does some very questionable things like willingly sacrificing her minutes from birth fully viable feeling baby for a black magic ritual to bring back her cruel sadistic husband.

[@ACinemafanatic]

@@lillypharaoh5945sadly that relationship was Stockholm syndrome so it was doomed from the start. But eventually in the books she’ll meet jon and help defeat the others that’s her whole purpose to use the dragons

[@lillypharaoh5945]

@@ACinemafanatic I don't think Stockholm syndrome even exists in the show everyone was forced to marry their spouse, nobody is making excuses for rhaegar although he was married against his will when elia had a choice.

[@amoritaleonard6391]

Preach, girl, preach. I refuse to believe that this is the way the book series ends. I'm so angry with the television series that I haven't rewatched any of the seasons since last year! Daenerys has always only wanted to be the type of ruler that her father was not.

[@danbarton2751]

If he did plan it similarly, we'll probably have an extra 10 years to wait for the books now 🤣

[@marywilcox3102]

@Amorita Leonard --- Agree!

[@tommytingtong]

Same here , I can’t watch it anymore and will always avoid

[@CC-rv4zc]

Same. I'm still mad at all the time and emotion invested in this series for them to drop off so severely with the writing and rush the pace of the last 2 seasons. Plot lines that we had been discussing for years, completely abandoned/rendered meaningless. They did almost the whole series dirty.

[@roshinid3423]

@@nickursonis fax. Well, I just feel like the execution was horrible in the show

[@throttle1000]

Jaime tried to kill Daenerys in Season 7 (?) When he came charging at her with the lance. Another reason for why Dany might not trust Jaime too much.

[@PlanetLexishere]

And it didn't make sense for sansa to let him pass because he was the one to injure Ned and kill his loyalists.

[@kritikanchan9313]

@@PlanetLexishere what I find more funny when that happens is that bitch have no problem letting Jaime pass because her loyal swordswoman said he is cool and saved her. But, she won't give second thought to Dany for whome her own brother is saying is good and here to help. She clearly knows Brianne likes Jaime hence he is off hook no matter he attacked ned, sieged rivverrun, and Lannister being total slaughters for her family and taking her home first hand but, she won't do that for dany even though she saved her brothers' life and now she is here to save everyone who hate her and she being the lady of such a noble and respected house fuels that hatred.

[@Diamondsrfvr]

@@kritikanchan9313 Great points about Sansa giving Jaime a pass after all he did to harm or kill her family and take her home vs. not even giving Dany a chance: even after Jon vouched for her and gave Dany his support. Dany had never done anything, personally to harm the Starks, but Jaime already had, many times!

[@christophertracy383]

I was shocked that Daenerys never brought up the fact that Jaime tried 2 run her down in the Loot train attack!

[@kritikanchan9313]

@@Diamondsrfvr glad u agree, here's something more Sansa: the smartest person( although I argue) and she can see through dany can't she see through Jaime to inform Brienne beforehand, she clearly had known Jamie longer than she knew dany. Varys: who claim he can see through dany, were unable to see through Jaime and cercie to inform dany beforehand, I mean didn't he spend more time with jaime and cercie and know them more closely than he know dany. Still he didn't blink eye when cercie agreed to help. Tyrion: self proclaimed excellent judge of character can't judge cercie, and dare I mention shea, he didn't knew that no matter what cercie won't back down that easily, the woman who decided to betray when dany had such a huge army in all westross why would she back down when dany has lost more than half her army and one dragon. My point is all if them were smart, intuitive, can forsee everything and everyone still they can't see past anyone but dany, they kept their respective heads eeverywhere accept where it was necessary. Tyrion and varys : securing alliance and knowing how aegon conquered Harrenhall and vale, former by killing only those in castle, and later by just show off power. Sansa: respecting her brothers decision to bend the knee and not bad mouthing those whome u an give nothing in return just respect and gratitude ( but who am I kidding she never listen or accept whatever decision jon makes)

[@astoldbymuriel103]

Arya saying I know a killer when I see one made me instantly dislike her. Like she isn't a killer herself.

[@GrayArea]

AsToldByMuriel no one calls her Mad Arya for slaughtering House Frey root and stem.

[@anne-kathrinhohlig1466]

and arya would have killed some innocents to get a job done without having a feelings of guilt. and she denies a dying man mercy even when its a very dark grey character like sandor clegane.

[@bre_me]

Such bad bad bad writing......

[@nexis1293]

The hypocrisy of Arya Stark

[@abookamongsthemanypj7140]

Season 8 killed the rewatch value of the entire series. Just horrible.

[@astoldbymuriel103]

I totally agree

[@JoycePinto]

cant even see snipets on KZbin. I get way too angry.

[@PapaEmeritus_4evr]

I know. I've re-watched the series like five times now and as season 6 slips away, I start to get disgusted because I know what's coming. A major disaster.

[@DzinkyDzink]

Sp you were with Littlefinger's death?

[@marwanali4878]

You can still rewatch it. I did so a few weeks ago. Just try to forget about that cluster fuck and stop watching after Dany destroys the Lannister armies which would be 7x4/7x5

[@malloryjostes2129]

One of the issues was EVERYONE freaked out when she wanted to use or saw her using her dragons. In a world where castration, beheading (which both Jon, Robb, and Ned ALL did in the show), and hanging people, FLAYING people, were all acceptable. But dragon fire? Thats too much? Also, one thing that has irked me. Why on earth would EVERYONE automatically believe that he was Rhaegar's son? Even Dany said "a secret nobody in the world knew, except your best friend and your brother." I think it's a BIG reach to assume that everyone would immediately believe Ned's secret and turn to Jon when this "revelation" happened. And one last thing. It WAS dangerous to reveal Jon's true identity. To him, to her... shit look how quickly Sansa sold Jon out, after she swore UNDER AN OATH TREE that she wouldn't tell anyone. There was a reason Ned kept Jon a secret for all those years. Do you see NOW why he never told Catelyn? What a mess. And not just bc of Dany's terrible character arc. But for Jaime, Cersei, Trion, and especially Jon.

[@potatz5130]

Btw, nobody seems to remember Tyrion with his wildfire! As Lindsay Ellis said, "It was absolutely OK for him to burn alive the soldiers of Stannis's army, but when Dany released Drogon on Lannisters - my Queen, but what about Geneva convention?"

[@starhunter9085]

*Who's Trion?*

[@SkaterBlades]

Tyrion shames Danaerys for using a method to kill people with fire Tyrion also references blackwater bay with pride where he hideously burned hundreds of men in front of a guy who's son was killed in the fire and was nearly killed in it. Tyrions a secret cunt

[@anne-kathrinhohlig1466]

@@SkaterBlades sandor clegane was burned by his brother gregor. i think you where referring to sandor clegane who hated fire for a very good reason. and i like sandor. he hasnt lost all of his humanity regardless of the circumstances.

[@SkaterBlades]

@@anne-kathrinhohlig1466 I never mentioned Sandor as he's totally irrelevant to the political plot post season 4.

[@melrenfrusc]

I stand by Dany since Season one but I used to like the Starks and cheered for them to be safe and happy, now thanks to the subverting of expectations I just want Dany to come back life and burn them all.

[@apersonwholikescats1979]

Melissa Figueiredo right

[@simona9734]

they turned the starks into stupid, annoying, unlikable children and dany into a cartoon, i'm 100% evil, villain 💀

[@pplr1]

If you watch the details of season 8 they turned Bran into a scheming mass murderer who arranged the deaths of thousands of innocents and people who risked their lives to defend his. Now this may or may not be Bran anymore but I think many would not see it as a good thing if he did that simply because he wanted (yes he lied about having wants) to have a crown.

[@thedevilsadvocate858]

@@pplr1 I still believe Three eyed raven is actually an evil entity

[@pplr1]

@@thedevilsadvocate858 I don't support the idea of taking season 8 seriously but if people do there are details in it that support that belief of yours that he is evil. Did you notice the same things I did. That he decided the chair design Tyrion gave him before wasn't good enough shows Bran has wants-so telling Tyrion he doesn't makes Bran's honesty questionable. If Bran could track 1 person (Jamie) well enough to have an idea of the day he would arrive at Winterfell then it would not be hard for him to track Euron's fleet and warn others about it. He pushed telling Jon and others about Jon's parentage only to decide it wasn't worth mentioning when who should be king is discussed-that was arguably using it as a tool against both Dany and Jon and then disposing of it afterwards when it was no longer of use to him. Plus his ability to see possible futures gives him more of an ability than others to pick which one he pushes for. We saw the results of when he chose to say something and no say something. His abilities means the result was premeditated on his part. Sorry for preaching to the choir on that. Did you notice something different than I did or the same things? I really don't recommend taking season 8 seriously, but for those that do there is some of what I noticed.

[@emilyonizuka4698]

when people want her to be sad about her abuser, it just tells me a lot about them and how they feel about abuse victims

[@ismata3274]

and, i want to know how should a pregnant mother to be act when someone treathens her? oh please have at my pregnant stomach, would you prefer to stab me or kick my stomach till we die? here i lie down... and a father to be to let their pregnant wife killed......????

[@l.7584]

Those are the same people who defend slavery just because they hate a character and cause "its their tradition".

[@Daniel_Fo77]

There are two sides. Just talk to the child that lost her mother, just for living in a city. She did that, too. And one evil does never justify another, because all it does is create more evil, more hurt, more pain.

[@TheFreshTrumpet]

​@@Daniel_Fo77 of course there are always two sides to an abuse situation, that doesn't automatically mean both sides are deserving of comparable amounts of sympathy. Not sure there are many sound arguments for why she should have cried for her rapey toxic brother, which is what OP is talking about.

[@Daniel_Fo77]

@@TheFreshTrumpet True, her abuse is worse and her victims deserve more sympathy than she does.

[@mymisswright4]

She is the Queen we chose. I’ll never be over it.

[@kawaii_dragonadam3211]

I never chose her I chose Stannis baratheon

[@mymisswright4]

Noor Al-maliki lol good for you

[@Introvertsan]

Same

[@pplr1]

@@kawaii_dragonadam3211 Book or show. Either way if you feel he was done badly in GoT that arguably means even if she isn't your favorite character you could have some sympathy for character that was character assassinated in GoT.

[@kawaii_dragonadam3211]

@@pplr1 I do have a lot of sympathy for dany because I understand how it feels to get your favourite characters killed like that it happened to stannis

[@brannonrrmartin4425]

There are no hints that the writers planned this years in advance. They don't seem to know how to properly foreshadow plot point and pay them off. Let's just move forward from this show which was run by two men who didn't fully understand the source material. We should wait to get the final two books.

[@marywilcox3102]

If D&D say they planned this years in advance, they're more delusional than we thought.

[@throttle1000]

"I can't be lord of anything." - Bran in Season 7

[@marywilcox3102]

@@throttle1000 Then he becomes King of the Six Kingdoms, and Protector of the Realm. "Why do you think I came down here." - Bran in Season 8. The character inconsistency is incredible!

[@samirmuhammad1781]

in one of those "inside the episode " in season six, "Dumber" says "she is not like her father. she is good. there is a targaryen ruthlessness in her, but she isn't mad." when speaking of the battle of the bastards episode and danny burns the ships in slaver's bay

[@nexis1293]

@El-ahrairah Examples ?????

[@RTannamal]

Ari killed a bunch of children and fed them to their father. But she is a Hero and Dany is CRAZY. i stand by Dany

[@Codiggity369]

they were two his grown sons but I feel you

[@reyhanahuchard7920]

They killed her family... but people of king’s landing don’t

[@warchiefvenomn7612]

There is a huge difference in killing a bunch of people in a gruesome way in the name of revenge, and totally genocide an entire city filled with people, including children that did absolutly nothing to her.

[@meanmachine08]

A bunch of children? Two big grown men 🤣

[@gregoryluckie1649]

Last two seasons of GOT were a complete waste of time.

[@GrayArea]

Gregory Luckie I love Game of Thrones which is why I was so pissed they just rushed to an ending it was nothing like the first 4 seasons.

[@sleekoduck]

I think the books are pointing at Cersei and Faegon burning Kings Landing with Rhaegal and Viserion. Euron and Dragonbinder are a red herring. Dany's arc is heading for the Trident, not Kings Landing.

[@edpistemic]

@@boymomx3OG Spot on, Mel! Me too.

[@lastquarter3992]

@@sleekoduck True, there's so much foreshadowing for the Trident thing. Also, I saw a theory on Reddit saying that the show vision in the HotU where Daenerys goes for the throne symbolises winter reaching King's Landing and Daenerys being close to taking the throne but turn away, called by the real fight : the War of the Dawn. George was very present next to D&D at that time so it could be a clue about what was really meant to happen. And then D&D subverted expectations.

[@PlanetLexishere]

I kinda enjoyed S7, there was some errors here and there but it was WAYYY better than S8

[@starwilde4252]

If Danny was played by a male, no one would be calling him mad.....

[@laurafreedlund2899]

Right? Tyrion burned thousands of Stannis's men with wildfire, Jon killed who knows how many people, at least once for refusing an order (Janos tried to ask for mercy and admitted he was a coward, but Jon showed him none and beheaded him in a fit of anger). He also hung a brainwashed, traumatized little boy. He helped Sansa stick Ramsey in a dog kennel (after almost beating him to death) to be eaten while she watched with a smile (he deserved it of course, and I think they should have skinned his ass beforehand to see how he liked it, it was her blatant enjoyment of it is that made it so disturbing ), Stannis burned a bunch of people including his own daughter, and on and on. Apparently they all get a pass though. Killing enemies in horrible ways is only a sign of insanity in Dany for some reason.

[@morten4383]

Her mad father threatened to burn the city when everything was lost. Daenerys, who never had shown signs of madness, burned the city....after everything was WON! Season 8 of Game Of Thrones set a world record in stupid storytelling. Sad really.....In Season 1-4 it was the greatest show ever..... Great, great video, Gray!

[@janbadinski7126]

It's a shame they didn't just hire replacements for D&D for the last season, maybe even a season 9. We got robbed.

[@SkaterBlades]

Danaerys: No TV no beer make Dany something something Tyrion: Go crazy? Danaerys: DoN't mIND IF i DO

[@reyhanahuchard7920]

She was mad since the beginning i think im the only one who saw it

[@Ignasimp]

@@reyhanahuchard7920 she was not even as mad as other characters like Jaimie or Cersei, lol. There are plenty of characters that have done horrible things far worse that what she had done before season 8.

[@reyhanahuchard7920]

I MP i think it was the fact that at essos she was queen bcause they chosen her but in westeros she tried to be queen and be loved by everyone but it didn’t worked so she tried to be feared and then she lost jorah ,viserion,reaghal and misandei + John was the true king so she wanted to take revenge .cersei used the people against her so she burned them... i dont think she was mad but I think that she was able to do anything for the throne because it was her goal and she never gave up her goal but i think she was desperate ... i knew that she would do this since the season 5 but i think that her development was to fast (i still don’t support her anymore)

[@ashleyofnaath]

2nd comment: I don't want to hear anything about Dany being "mad" for any of the reasons you detail here when the same people who condemn her as such think Tywin Lannister, who not only wiped out the Reynes of Castamere by DROWNING THE ENTIRE FAMILY, including innocent children, but masterminded the Red Wedding, is a Machiavellian genius. And lest we forget what happened to Tysha, and the torture Tywin inflicted upon she and Tyrion in that situation. It's such bs. Also, Dany executing Randyll and Dickon was no different than Jon executing Janos Slynt. In fact, Jon executed Janos for less. But does anyone say Jon's mad? No, he's celebrated for 'killing the boy to let the man be born'. The double standards here are insane.

[@ashleyofnaath]

@Shame nolan The dragons are Dany's swords. Using them as opposed to using a henchman is her way of passing the sentence and swinging the sword herself. And as was mentioned, the Tarlys were given repeated chances to live. They chose not to, knowing full well how they'd die. That's not on Dany.

[@ashleyofnaath]

@Shame nolan I'd also like to note that Janos Slynt apologized and tearfully begged for mercy on the chopping block, but Jon took his head anyway. That isn't cruel? I'm not saying Jon shouldn't have killed Janos, but Janos did far less to Jon than the Tarlys did to Daenerys, on top of pleading for mercy and he was still executed. Jon got no backlash from fans, nor were his actions interpreted as half-assed foreshadowing of a fall into madness. It's a complete double standard.

[@ashleyofnaath]

She killed the Tarlys on the battlefield in the aftermath of a war they fought against her after betraying their liege lords. What they did was treason. Dany literally acted no different than the ancestors you referred to. And I'm not saying that phrase itself would mean anything to her; but the spirit of it is illustrated in her using the dragons she commands as opposed to ordering Greyworm or one of the Dothraki to carry out executions instead. The point of that saying isn't the weapon used, it's about being brave enough to look someone in the eye if your willing to put them to death. Dany does that.

[@marywilcox3102]

@Ashley of Naath -- Not to mention Tywin Lannister sacked King's Landing, after coming to supposedly save it, so the Mad King let him and his armies in. Then he practically ordered the deaths of Princess Elia of House Martell and her children Princess Rhaenys the infant Prince Aegon, and he and the men who did it got away with it. Dany killing Randyll and Dickon Tarly made sense. She asked them to bend the knee, they refused, they died. That's not madness at all. No one called Aegon the Conqueror mad, or really any of the Targaryens pre-Maegor the Cruel. But after, well, we know about the mad Targaryens after Maegor. Jon executed Janos Slynt for disobedience. That's not madness, that's executing an insubordinate. D&D are stupid, and the people who believe this 'foreshadowing' for Dany really missed the point.

[@ashleyofnaath]

@@marywilcox3102 Agreed. Janos was executed for disobedience. I didn't have a problem with that. Nobody should've. My point was that the Tarlys did the same thing as Janos in essence, only worse, and people think their deaths weren't justified. Also, D&D displayed a gross misunderstanding of Daenerys as a character in one flagrant regard. In the books, the things she craves above all else are security and love. On several occasions she considers abandoning her crown/power for a life of simplicity with Daario. So when she finds out Jon is her only living family member, and he isn't cruel like Viserys or her father, I don't think she'll react like she did in the show. I think it's incredibly sad that D&D got that so wrong because that's what makes her great.

[@FrayAdjacentTX]

People don't seem to mention that in S6 in Vaes Dothrak, Daenerys wasn't there by her own design. It wasn't a situation she put herself in. Her choices were: 1. Flee with Daario and Jorah... and be ridden down and killed by the Dothraki (they're really good horsemen, you know?) 2. Stay and be raped to death 3. Turn the tables and end up in a far superior position I think in the books, she's going to end up in conflict with fAegon, and King's Landing will burn, but unintentionally. It'll give her a reputation that she'll have to fight against. She won't be "mad queen", but she'll have a reputation as such. She may even be the cause (or think she is) of the fires. It'll set up her inner conflict. After all "the human heart in conflict with itself is the only thing worth writing about."

[@rldany4654]

Daenery is my favourite Character of all time, D&D are nothing but hacks

[@jimfox1477]

Same, Daenery Targaryen for life

[@christophertracy7136]

I love Daenerys Targaryen 2 even if she did burn down King's Landing she needed 2 attack in S7 and get the Iron Throne, then she could rally the 7 Kingdoms against the fight.

[@dustinalvarez7071]

I'm not fan of her in the book and even less int the TV series.But it still piss me off what they did to her .I dont even imagine people who liked her loll

[@dustinalvarez7071]

@UCXS7yRpwJl0cU3l1OmqGvsQ umm okay are you alright ? you know people can like other caracthere more then other and not be a fuckbooi

[@javiermendezperez6910]

This entire video I was like: "PERIOOOOOOOOOOOODT"

[@marimarujaa7818]

🙃🙃🙃🙃🤣🤣🤣yesss

[@pikablu_25]

EXACTLY

[@saymyname2417]

Yeah, but that doesn't mean she is right about Daenerys.

[@bluegypsy71]

I still hate Sansuck, I’ll never get tired of calling her Cersei lite...a backstabbing mean girl who got a Disney dress and crown at the end, FFS🤦🏽‍♀️🤦🏽‍♀️🤦🏽‍♀️

[@vikkidonn]

Dude I called her in the first episode.... She was a little psycho from day one. People were like she's a child and she was raped. Yes. But she's still a little power hungry control freak psycho

[@bluegypsy71]

Vivian Yup...she got Lady killed, that was enough for me

[@christophertracy383]

Sansa was the one who sent a Raven to Cersei about Queen Daenerys movements and we all know what happened to Rhaegal and kidnapped Missandei!

[@FlyinBlaney]

I think it's really interesting that she started being a knob after the source material ran out. Georgy Porgy won't write Sansa that way, I hope.

[@octavianpopescu4776]

I actually liked Sansa, I liked her since she threatened Joffrey when he was showing her Ned's head, but they ended up ruining her for me. After Daenerys, she was my second choice (Stannis was long dead... so was Tywin), but her attitude in the last season... Honestly, I'll give the characters a pass, they weren't themselves, it's like there were these strange people that looked the same that replaced them, but I won't give the writers a pass.

[@Wildfire4496]

I hated everyone in the end because of how they plotted against my girl Daenerys

[@danielwilliamson6180]

I think it wasn't just everyone plotting against her that drove her to madness. It was also Jon Snow revealing to Dany that he is Aegon Targaryen and the deaths of Missandei and Jorah Mormont. Cersei having Ser Gregor behead Missandei really pushed her too far.

[@Wildfire4496]

Daniel Williamson Yup, and honestly I can’t even blame her for it. We all have our limits and losing Missandei made her reach that limit.. she held the dragon back for too long to please people who didn’t deserve it

[@danielwilliamson6180]

@@Wildfire4496 Bran, Sansa and Arya got what they wanted = Dany dead.

[@Wildfire4496]

@@danielwilliamson6180 Smh.. ungrateful asf, after all she did

[@danielwilliamson6180]

@@Wildfire4496 They were ungrateful. Sansa most of all.

[@sydnitheromantictaylor112]

Love Daenerys. I hated the final season, can't re-watch the series because of season 8. I agree that they didn't always have this planned for Dany since the beginning because all we have to do is go back to season 7 finale, all the pregnancy foreshadowing was there!!! What really happened was that they switched roles between Cersei and Daenerys at the last minute in order to be unpredictable. Cersei was supposed to go mad queen after her miscarriage and Daenerys was supposed to be pregnant. Jaime was supposed to kill Cersei after she had went mad.

[@astoldbymuriel103]

I can't either. I've tried and tried but I can't enjoy it knowing what they did to Dany. I'm hoping 10 years from now the story is picked up and starts off with a weakened but revived Dany in Mereen.

[@nathangoddard6082]

I cant rewatch either - and I wasn't the biggest dany fan either. I agree with everything u say 100%

[@ahsoka5216]

I was so upset when I saw how poorly they ended Daenerys' story because it's so off from her character who was always selfless and sacrificed literally everything for the people. Based on Daenerys' vision in the House of the Undying, it was probably foreshadowed for her to die and not win the Iron Throne, but her going "mad" as the reason for it, was not a wise decision by the writers.

[@ashleyofnaath]

Lena Heady said she shot a miscarriage scene that was supposed to air in season 7, and that it was her understanding that the miscarriage was to drive Cersei even further into madness, and we would've seen her worst yet. But it was scrapped and she didn't know why. That proves that D&D didn't have Dany's ending planned seasons ago. As you said it was supposed to be Cersei. They lied.

[@sydnitheromantictaylor112]

@@ashleyofnaath exactly!!!! For people who don't get why people hated the final season, it's because it didn't make any sense it felt like the storyline came out of left field somewhere it didn't line up with season 7 at all. It felt like a completely different story with different characters I don't get how some people couldn't see it.

[@epicsandwich7194]

Absolutely facts. Even in my GoT discussions with friends I still maintain the position that Dany got done dirty.

[@HawaiiBlueMermaid]

She absolutely was done dirty! I LOVED Emilia’s performance this season, but Dany’s character was handled VERY poorly!

[@epicsandwich7194]

Blue Mermaid absolutely. GRRM himself said there was enough material for 10 seasons or more but D&D still rushed through and pissed it away. The debacle of season 8 is squarely at their feet.

[@octavianpopescu4776]

It was a set-up and she was framed. It smelled like a set-up since season 7, when they did these convoluted plans, just to weaken her artificially and even out the chances... make it balanced. Normally, she would have taken KL immediately, but no, they had to take Casterly Rock and other detours, then the plan to get a wight... why would she need to do all that if Cersei was out of the picture? Then all the characters around her started repeating over and over and over: oh, I don't know about her... she's too temperamental... She actually comes to HELP in the north (she could have done that easily after taking out the Lannisters), Sansa is all like: she brought TOO MANY men + dragons... what do dragons eat? Gee! You'd think a stronger army is a good thing when it's on your side... Nope! Sansa-logic says no! Next time my country is called to war, we'll just send 1 guy... He's easy to feed! 😀 Then Euron keeps always surprising her army... again and again and again... and again... and again... "she kinda forgets" a lot... Oh, and he's a highly-trained sniper! And her fleet is apparently made of cardboard (not even real-life cannons could penetrate that easily through a ship's hull from that distance)... In E05 of course, they show us the children that are about to get fried in advance: "think of the children!" In an attempt at emotional manipulation. Then Hitler speech references in E06... of course like any cartoon villain, she wants to conquer the world (she never, ever, ever, ever expressed any such notion before, but here we are, this is what's happening, they kida forgot to foreshadow this one)... So yes, it was a set-up, not even a subtle one, gaslighting and emotional manipulation.

[@epicsandwich7194]

Octavian Popescu I fully believe Bran had a hand in that and got in her head even though it wasn’t actually shown

[@octavianpopescu4776]

@@epicsandwich7194 Not sure about that...but yes, it makes sense. Bran only wanted to be the 3ER to get a better view of the battle at Winterfell... because he didn't do anything else with that power. And it would have been so easy to push him as King, if only he did something absolutely crucial to winning against the NK. Then Tyrion could have said: "he saved us all", "he led us in the battle" instead of "stories" and yes, he may not have been people's first choice, but at least it would have been solid argument to make him king (even though he said he couldn't be lord of anything... repeatedly)

[@markpjf85]

Story was a big f you to the fans of daenerys < she was not crazy or mad > that title goes to ceresi that was foreshadowed very early on

[@markpjf85]

That’s why season 8 > the bell the throne was a shit episodes / ruin the show that period.....

[@markpjf85]

Mel of Winterfell totally 👍 of course

[@elsieembugua9737]

Sansa didn’t care when littlefinger and Ramsey died

[@4512red]

No cared when Ramsey died. Everyone cheered!!!!!

[@tootieq6527]

GOT used to be my most rewatchable show ever, until the eighth season. Now I have no desire to watch it at all.

[@sydnitheromantictaylor112]

Hated the mad queen story line, its like saying someone's future is genetically determined, as if she was destined to go mad and that there was no way out of it. Also that mad King was a paranoid schizophrenic.

[@ashleyofnaath]

That story line, meaning the 'mad queen' plot, would've worked and been far more sensible if Cersei had been used. Especially if she lost her baby on top of losing the war. Or, they could've even utilized Euron and actually had him do something reminiscent of what his book counterpart is going to do. But instead, they gave us this horribly contrived nonsense w/Daenerys that ruined the show. It's a shame.

[@hemanni2629]

Is it not possible the mad king went mad because Varys (or another) was poisoning him?

[@Diamondsrfvr]

@@ashleyofnaath ...." they gave us this horribly contrived nonsense w/Daenerys that ruined the show. It's a shame."........Absolutely!

[@Diamondsrfvr]

@@boymomx3OG Yes, that kind of message is utter BS.

[@melrenfrusc]

@@boymomx3OG Yes, it's like no matter how hard I work to have a better life and be a better person, I'll end up as a drunk violent person just like my father. What kind of message D&D were trying to give us? I doubt GRRM would write a character surrounded by prophecies, magic, fireproof skin, rebirth of dragons, just to turn her into madness. It doesn't make any sense, maybe if she had only military power it would make more sense but in the context Martin built for her is just so pointless.

[@bellarichards7753]

This is the first video ive watched in over a year gray area, every time i think of game of thrones, i think of how badly D&D screwed Danys character. Dany wasn't even mad, she was completely broken by the scum around her Characters like Sansa Jon Tyrion Varys betraying her and undermining her at every opportunity, when it was dany who saved them all. The starks couldn't even defend themselves as a kingdom without dany and they have the nerve to treat her with disrespect.

[@anne-kathrinhohlig1466]

northmen arent first men.

[@lamo1724]

@bella Richards what you say is absolutely true. 100% spot on. And that's why George RR Martin wanted Dany to be the crazed queen. Step back from favourite GoT characters / houses a moment... And I ask @GrayArea to do the same. Everything great powers do is fabulous. Let's cheer for all the great things they do... Until we suddenly realise they're doing it to the people we quite like. Dany WAS slighted by those In the North. But because they didn't show her the respect she deserved as she drank her Starbucks, that didn't mean they deserved to be next on her hitlist. And that's exactly the point of A Song of Ice & Fire. Nothing is black and white; there's a shed load of grey... And that's just from one person's viewpoint. Dany hadn't considered why Sansa was so worried about ANOTHER battle for the 7 Kingdoms. She just got angry when Sansa hadn't realised that she'd done foolish things for Jon's love. It reminded me of the Greek tale Jason & The Argonauts. Medea was a high borne priestess. She was the ruler's daughter... Yet she helped Jason conquer his trials and take the Golden Fleece from her people. Marrying him, having his children, she left her home, her father, her throne for love. Yet when Jason gets back home with the Golden Fleece, HE'S considered the hero and given the blessing to wed another princess. As @GrayArea debates the rationale for Dany being pissed and killing all the people that wronged her, you'd agree that Medea too had every right to be pi$$ed... ...so she slaughters her own children to hurt Jason. Dany overcame so much... By burning them f%%%ers to the ground. Her empathy is only evident cos it aligns to our way of thinking. But when her idea of empathy is to 'break the wheel' for all those oppressed in the North, like Medea killing her own kids, suddenly we realise this is wrong. George RR Martin wrote an epic. I don't think D&D told his story in the way he'd have wanted, but they definitely presented his vision to end the senseless battle for the Iron Throne. All that death, all that heartache, all that anger, all that despair. GoT is a tale to retell our children, and our children's children. When is 'all you've ever wanted' more important than all you've ever needed? The human race is a social race. We're people needing people. Instead of jumping on one side or another, let's find out more about what we have in common than just waiting to spot our differences. Cos in the wise words of Edwin Starr, "War... Uh! What is it good for? Absolutely nothing!" xxx

[@santhoshr7502]

Yes..I hate northerners..include jon

[@nexis1293]

@@lamo1724 Stick your ending up your ass

[@subroy7123]

@@lamo1724 " And that's why George RR Martin wanted Dany to be the crazed queen" Citation needed.

[@pinkleslie1275]

DAENERYS, understood war was a necessary evil, regardless how she felt about it, thats not madness!

[@christophertracy383]

I get pissed that she lost Viserion rescuing Jon Snow who killed her.

[@forensikarie]

I've already written something similar under another comment here but Dany was also very much ok with her husband and her people burning down entire villages and raping & killing hundreds of innocents. And in the books, she's even less bothered by it than in the show. She spoke up for exactly one person out of all the villagers her husband ordered to kill and later thought of herself to be a saint because of it. Are the actions of the Dothraki also a necessary evil? Apparently she thought so because she didn't love Khal Drogo or his lads any less because of it.

[@jimfox1477]

@Mimosa - Sure great argument, you sound just as clueless as D&D.

[@jimfox1477]

@Mimosa - Yeah she was insane saving million of slaves in Esso, yep she was selfish saving the starks and westeros when she could of claim the iron throne for herself. You sir are a dumbass😂,go watch the walking dead, it's about your level😂

[@jimfox1477]

@Mimosa - Dany didn't benefit a thing for saving the slaves, the masters of astapor offer her ships and gold and instead she turned those things down. She stayed in Esso because the slave masters threatened to put the slaves back into slavery. Her time in meereen was terrible, because the masters funded the harpy insurgency against her, Dany didn't even have a chance to rule meereen. Your too much of a bias arsehole to admit that and twist shit like the pathetic Human being that you are. how was Dany cruel??, Shame you don't give us any examples of this cruelty, you sir are a thick bastard and have no place in the game of thrones community. Go support your lame backstabbing Starks, who did nothing for 8 season but betray the one person who saved them

[@jorgehernandez4098]

People always say that Daenerys only cares about the Iron Throne, but they forget why she wants it. Yes at first is cause it is her right, but as she goes through her journey her mind set changes she wants it cause she wants to change the world, as said in the series "we're going to leave the world a better place then we found it". Dany wants to make thigs better for the little people, she cares for those the high lords ignore. With the Iron throne she hopes to make a kingdom where the common folk are happy and fed, where pretty maidens can safely prance around the city, where children can laugh and play with out a care in the world. She is honestly the best Queen the Westerosi can hope for.

[@orphanedhanyou]

She wants to break the wheel while standing on it to support her claim and still play the old game. She's just like the rest.

[@Klondike877]

Not really because she had way too much power and knew it. She actually killed and have been a tyrant ruler for the sake of making a better world, since when closing brotels, removing slaves home was a great thing? Slaves had life with their master and for some were way better than being liberated in the street without a thing to do or the energy and will to do. She clashed her way in, and didnt work! She havent done many compromise, reasonnable choices that would sold her reign, but instead took it like a mad person would do, and does it gives you power and rights, YES, but NOT respect and loves from people. Ok the slaves, called her Misa lol but what can you do with slaves that doesnt have many thing to help her, she kind of forget to liberate slave does not help them if you dont help them in the end. She was just a mist of hope and thats it to me. She should have spare the Tarly to show her clemence, but NO... bad decision she tooks. She should have spare them and let them reflect their choices, after the devastating battle she had done with the Lannister and Tarly. She could have been accepted, also, if she never was like BEND THE KNEE, all the time, may be people would have loved her more. If you dont show your respect for people, people wont respect you and proclaim you as leader. She was just the oposite of Jon Snow who always make decision in for other than himself and would put his life to help others. ALso he was not a dreamer of better places blablabla... he knew wars were innevitable, he knew some blood had to be spread, but would always avoid it if he could. Dany would desire to avoid blood, but her actions shows opposite all the time, especially when she tooks decisions on the spot, by her emotion...

[@jorgehernandez4098]

@@Klondike877 ok so you're clearly pulling from the show, which as stated already is not Daenerys. In the books Daenerys doesn't slaves abandon the slaves she stays in Mereen for them cause she doesn't want them to be re enslaved the moment she leaves. While she wasn't doing great a first, she was learning through trial and error, and she eventually starts getting the hang of it. And Bruh read the books in a dance with dragons Dany pretty compromises with everything, she spends whole days sitting on a throne listening to her peoples complains and request until her back hurts, but she's uncompromising right??!! She re opens the fighting pits after a meeting with the gladiators, she let's some slave return to their masters with certain conditions, whether it be paynent, just treatment, etc. Btw I hope you were not trying to make a point as to why slavery is alright, yes a very few slaves had it good with their masters but most were treated inhumanely, they got brutally beaten, they were excessive worked without any pay or compensation, their women were raped, their children were taken from them and fucking crucified just to send a message to Daenerys, yes Daenerys 100% did the right thing by abolishing slavery. Btw Dany was loved by the people, what you're talking about is that bullshit from the show, which Daenerys would be welcomed and loved by the Targaryen loyalists in Westeros, they'll be super excited to see the last daughter of Valyria, the breaker of chains and the mother of dragons, hellooo Westeros was built on dragon back. If you think Daenerys war methods make her crazy then you must think people like Tywin, Stannis, Roberth, Rob Stark, Catelyn, Little Finger, Varys, Hound and Arya are fucking insane. Also why is it so crazy entitled when Dany ask people to bend the knee, bru she's giving them a choice, what would you expect her to do, let them go, so they can go back to their commanding officers and relay information, when Rob and Tywin ask people to bend the knee nobody says shit but when it's Daenerys she's entitled, she's crazy, the mad queen. Btw Stannis didn't even gave them the chance to join, he was straight up burning his captors as a sacrifice to a fire god that he doesn't really believe in because a fire witch told him to, that's some cult leader type of shit, now that is crazy behavior, but people ignore it. The books are written in points of view, so you literally read what they are thinking and Daenerys often thinks of making the world a better place.

[@jorgehernandez4098]

@@orphanedhanyou Game of thrones and a Song of Ice and Fire are two different things. If she was following the old way she would stay the fuck in Esos cause she would have no real claim to the throne cause women don't have the right to inherit the throne.

[@Klondike877]

@@jorgehernandez4098 i read dance with dragons and obviously its better than the show, but people are complaining about the show, not the books.

[@wisdommanari6701]

Honestly what pisses me off is that people call Danny mad when she's really just being Ruthless and Naive at times. Was Tywin mad? No. is Roose Bolton mad? No. They're ruthless men that order some of the most cruel and horrendous acts in the show/books but no one thinks they are insane. You can call Danny a lot of things. But Crazy isn't one of them. Honestly if Aerys wasn't called the Mad King no one would have labeled Danny as such... But people love to have their parallels in storytelling 🙄

[@alex-jq4gu]

I stand by her as well... everytime I look at old episodes I get triggered and so damn angry that they wrote her out the way they did..😡🤬 Hail House Targaryen!! Queen Daenerys Stormborn !!🧝🏻‍♀️

[@s.w.d4010]

Can we talk about how the show made Euron and Cersei better allies than Daenerys and the North? The writing on this show was so bad that they made the “villains” better than the “protagonists.” Euron and Cersei never betrayed each other and they worked really well together. Cersei had NOTHING to offer Euron. The Iron Fleet gave Cersei all of her military wins & advantages. I don’t understand why the Ironborn didn’t just take King’s Landing in season 7. But nearly everyone on team Daenerys (after she brought her entire army & dragons North to fight for the Starks) were happy to betray her because they believed that Daenerys was insane based on absolutely nothing. This show is a fucking joke.

[@chandrawagner4061]

That is a really good point actually. Never thought about it because I try not to think about euron and Cersei too much but you're right. They were a solid team, even down to the whole act he put on in s7 about leaving to escape the dead but really getting the golden company. Damn.

[@allisonhenderson3094]

I totally agree. She sacrificed everything, even put her plans on hold for people that didn't appreciate her, even after she helped save their ungrateful lives and who ended up stabbing her in the back. I stand by Dany always. The true Queen!

[@jorgebersabe293]

Considering that she strolled on Westeros like she absolutely owned the place, showing an overinflated sense of entitlement and a messiah complex, expecting everyone to kneel to her just because of her lineage, her ending is well deserved. Truth is, she always craved absolute power, but not the responsibilities that come with it.

[@donone352]

@@jorgebersabe293 Sansa Stan's are so full of shit, you just described your useless bitch sansa😀

[@astoldbymuriel103]

Exactly Randyll Tarley and the Lannister army just decimated people of Highgarden. Danny had every right to avenge her allies. Olenna basically told her to do as much before she died.

[@anne-kathrinhohlig1466]

yup. lady olenna asked dany if she is a sheep or a dragon. and dany has chosen being a dragon rather than being a sheep.

[@astoldbymuriel103]

@@anne-kathrinhohlig1466 I just wish she had chosen to do so earlier. ... I still have melancholy moments about this show.

[@Daniel_Fo77]

They decimated the army of high garden, which fought them. There is a difference between fighting a war with an army and slaughtering a whole city of civilians.

[@aryasuperstark9599]

@@Daniel_Fo77 They didn't stop there, they pilleged and raped the lands around highgarden, watch the scene with Jamie and dickon before Dany burns their arses

[@subroy7123]

@@Daniel_Fo77 Tywin obliterated two houses and kept the ruins of the castle standing as a reminder. He slaughtered plenty of civilians while sacking KL during Robert's Rebellion. He slaughtered the civilian population of the entire Riverlands from God's Eye to the Red Fork during the War of Five Kings via Gregor Clegane which is why A Feast for Crows exists. He backed the Red Wedding. He was Hand of the King, Lord of Casterly Rock, and the most revered man in Westeros. This proves that Westeros doesn't see the slaughter of civilians as a sign of madness, but something to be respected. There is no reason for them to see Dany's actions in any different light. The "difference" you're talking about doesn't exist in this universe.

[@tracymetherell8744]

Dany is one of the most important, inspiring heroines in all of fantasy! She will NEVER kill the innocents of Kings Landing! This disastrous turn of her character arc is such a betrayal!

[@shauncampbell4371]

GRRM should have finished his books, then D&D should have read the books and worked with GRRM to craft an appropriate ending, if they wanted to work on other projects they should have passed the details to another set of writers and directors to continue the story. They destroyed arguably the greatest tv series in history because of greed and laziness.

[@GrayArea]

THIS

[@zainabnashiq7376]

Or they would have just waited for GRRM to finish the books! If GRRM is also rushed to finish the books the story won’t be the same, it wouldn’t have the essence of the previous books! George should take his time to write the books and the showrunners just would have waited for him to finish the books.

[@martidodger7106]

D&D: * Spends 7.5 seasons showing how Dany is working to *NOT* be her father/wants to be a good ruler worthy of her birthright/knows that she shouldn't just go over to Westeros and demand the throne, like Viserys, would have just because they're entitled to it, / understands that she has to earn the crown through conquest and winning the people over to her just like Aegon I and Bobby B did / is a flawed character just like fan faves Tyrion, Stannis, Jaime, Robb..etc./ even when she wasn't the Targaryan heir, was completely loyal to her abusive brother. Wasn't jealous of Viseyrs nor did she want to steal his crown-she was happy being Khaleesi to her Sun and Stars and would have been content having a home amongst the Dothraki had Drogo not died* D&D End of Season 8: Welp, y'know, Bitches be crazy...we totally planned this out btw. Gods by the end of Season 4 when they'd run out of GRRM material, the cast and crew were the ones holding this show together, not the showrunners and the writers at all

[@Diamondsrfvr]

Marti Dodger ....Right on!......All of it.

[@flygonkerel781]

Edcept,that she did demand the throne based only on her birthright.

[@martidodger7106]

@@flygonkerel781 She demands it because she legitimately has a claim. However, unlike her brother, that "demand" is backup by the understanding that the Westerosi aren't going to just hand it over just because she has a right and a claim. Dany is intelligent to know that she has to do a lot of politicking and play the game in order to "earn it" as Aegon I and Bobby B did when they won the right to rule by conquest - winning advantageous positions, making friends and allies from their former enemies, inspiring loyalty among the people who follow her, adopting (in Aegon I's case) Westerosi culture and ruling standards - which is what she was doing in Mereen as a test run - actually ruling as opposed to conquering and moving on; using Westerosi traditions (having a small council, abolishing slavery- which she was already doing but then further justified it in her rule because Westeros doesn't have slavery and their economy is able to function without it, so Mereern and the rest will have to adjust to their new world order Dany's rule brought). Whereas Viserys would have just taken the Dothraki over to Westeros and been like "Gimme the Throne! Because I am the Targaryan heir" and not understand *why* no one would be interested in following him/possibly turn on him/why Bobby B isn't getting off his throne and just giving it to him

[@bigivel]

@@martidodger7106 I think you're making a misrepresentation of Vyseris and the situation. You said that he was just gonna go to westeros and demand his place, but in fact the little we have of him, you have him directly talking with Illyrio(The guy that gave Dany the Dragon eggs), as asking if he was really sure that there were still many loyalists that would support him when he reached Westeros. So literally he was expecting to get the support of the people there, and he knew that he needed that support. And in fact that support, even though not as exagerated by Illyrio, in fact existed. In fact the support Dany earned in Westeros when she reached there: Dorne, The Reach and the Iron Island, was some of the support that it was expected from the start by Vyseris(In fact in the books, I'm not seeing her getting the support of the Reach). Just because Jorah said to Dany that Vyseris was daydreaming thinking that he would have support from westeros(proving again that he was expecting to get it), doesn't means Jorah was right. In fact Jorah knows way less about politics and "the game" than Illyrio and Varys(that was with Illyrio) and they were expecting that Vyseris reaching Westeros with a Dohtraki army would get the support of many houses and be able to topple the current rule. About Aegon I, he had to fight all his reign with the people of the faith and the people in general due to the Incest and poligamy. In fact, that problem continued way after his death. Also isn't like he adopted the Westerosi culture, but that he already had that culture, when his family changed to Dragon Stone, many generation before him, were already getting "Cultured" by westeros, for example since infancy Aegon I was from the faith of the 7. Bobby B winning, making friend and allies from his former enemies? Well, the only enemy that he made friend and made any real political sense was the Reach, and it wasn't even really him but Ned and Jon Arryn. And because the Reach was the strongest Kingdom already at that time. Dorne, he didn't even touched their grounds in his entire Reign, and almost got any contact with them, because he knew that it was his head that would be the result. It was again Jon Arryn that had to go talk to them, to avoing another war. Though, that wouldn't happen anyway. All the others were already his allies or were neutral. The rebellion was a collition with Vale-North-Riverlands-Stromlands, and in the end Westerlands(Lannisters) joined(they were neutral before). The Iron Islands were Neutral, and the enemies were The Kinglands(that were attacked by Lannisters, I would call that making friends of enemies), Dragonstone and surrounding Islands(The sisters), The Reach and Dorne. And all other houses that even in their respective allied kingdom decided to fight for the Crown, but read the books and see what happened to most of those houses, it wasn't certainly "making friends with enemies" either.

[@laurafreedlund2899]

@@flygonkerel781 Who did she demand it from, exactly? No one was going to give the throne to her, she knew she needed to take it back herself and spent years building her power towards that end. If you mean she thinks she has a birthright to rule after the death of her brother, that's pretty standard for royalty and nobility. She isn't the only person on the show who thought she should be running things and was willing to do some terrible shit to attain that goal.

[@desireebrackin3277]

I stand by her too....its all the above

[@splitfries69]

🖤🖤🖤

[@octavianpopescu4776]

Yup... Targaryen loyalist here 😀

[@apersonwholikescats1979]

TARGARYEN FOREVA

[@kissedbyfirethepodcast]

This made me very happy. Targaryen Loyalist 4Eva.

[@mcpics4448]

Stef Lyons Right on buddy right on

[@silvermasktraveler1788]

Who likes king’s landing anyway it’s a sh!t hole

[@Mini-Toast_]

While i agree with all her points. The whole point of the story is that the Targaryens don't have some divine right to rule. I mean I know you saying Targaryen loyalist isn't that deep, I just wanted to make that point.

[@s.w.d4010]

Mini toast That’s not 100% true. Targaryens were believed to be divine rulers because of their strong connection with the dragons. That’s the reason why they ruled Westeros for 300 years. Targaryen supremacy stems from the fact that they could ride & control dragons, which made them a military super power, with God like status. What the show got so wrong with Daenerys’ character was that she doesn’t have a real connection to her Targaryen heritage, that’s the point of being the “last Targaryen.” Daenerys’ concept of what a Targaryen should be or want, has been TOLD to her since birth, that is what drives her to do the things she does.But in actuality, Daenerys just wants to live a peaceful life in the house with the red door (book reference).

[@04nbod]

@@s.w.d4010 Targaryens believed themselves to be above gods because of their connection with the Dragons but the faith eventually brought them to heel as shown by the lack of polygamous marriages. They ruled Westeros for 300 years because for most of it they had dragons who would burn their enemies. By the time the dragons died this was what people knew but it only took one bad ruler to bring down the whole thing

[@danybey4182]

When dany found out about jon her concerns where OTHER people trying to drive a wage between them if hon revealed it my girl wasn't even mad at jon she jist wanted him to keep it a secret cus she knows how politics in Westeros work

[@FrayAdjacentTX]

Her reaction was actually pretty rational, and she was right. Jon didn't want the throne anyway. Shit writing aside, if that was how things really happened, she could have reminded Jon that Ned Stark took the secret to his grave to protect Jon, now Jon needed to keep it secret to protect her.

[@marajade9573]

If Daenerys only cared about the throne, she could have easily let Jon die in the Battle of Winterfell instead of saving him, which nearly cost her own life. That way she would have secured her claim, but obviously she cared about Jon more.

[@PapaEmeritus_4evr]

@@FrayAdjacentTX The sad thing, it wouldn't change the outcome of her character.

[@jorgebersabe293]

The thing is, instead of being supportive of Jon after learning the truth of his origins, Daenerys tries to: -Isolate him from his family and friends. -Take the decision without considering his input. -Threaten to kill him and his loved ones. -Behaving in an extremely controlling manner. This aren't romantic behaviours, this are red flags of psychological abuse. Jonerys wasn't love, it was obsessive lust and domestic violence portrayed as romantic. D&D took a page from 50 Shades and Twilight. She is essentially Dutch van der Linde with tits and dragons: A charismatic, but narcissistic individual who rules her entourage as a cult, who proclaims fighting for a greater ideal, but in reality she only did it for herself and her world began crashing because in Westeros nobody was kissing her ass. Her charm only works on people who either have low self-esteem or who don't have nowhere else to go. Note: Daenerys wasn't in love with Jon, she was psychotically obsessed with him.

[@Dina-yz4eo]

@@jorgebersabe293 I think you should stick to nonsensical Jonsa metas. All of your points look straight out of a Stansa's deluded rant. It's like you don't even know the show you watched.

[@enviedcookie5773]

I agree a thousand percent with everything you’ve said. That last season was an absolute *atrocity* and destroyed the best show ever. Can’t believe it’s been a year already and I haven’t rewatched a single episode. Nor do I plan to. Even now, I can hear the emotion in your voice with the bullshit they gave us. I feel the same way...anger when I think about how it ended. Disgusting. Oh. And the loot train attack was my absolute favorite scene of all time. I absolutely loved it (before dumbass and dipshit destroyed the series of course.) ♥️

[@CSIMfreak]

"Yasss Daddy, King Aegon" I DIEEEDDD at this point!

[@ellieh0397]

The Queen we chose. Always

[@sabrinakrisb4672]

Dan and Dave seriously need to make a public formal apology at this point

[@lilibetp]

I think it makes MUCH more sense for her to destroy the Red Keep than everything EXCEPT the Red Keep.

[@bre_me]

Elizabeth Phillips such a shame this season

[@Mother_Of_Gays]

Yup and then accidentally causing a chain reaction with the wildfire of Cersei and Aerys and destroying all of kingslanding. Would’ve saved much more time and money for HBO and would’ve made perfect sense

[@izzieandavadanuggets9325]

The show certainly focused on the cold-blooded murder of her friend Missandei but even that made little sense. Cersei was the perpetrator of that act. Not the army or city who were surrendering.

[@octavianpopescu4776]

Excellent analysis! 2 things that really bothered me regarding other characters' attitude towards her (besides the things I've seen discussed in this and other videos): 1. When Tyrion tells Jon, "everywhere she goes EVIL men die" and he says it like it's a bad thing... How? How is killing EVIL people (at least in the context of that world) a bad thing? It's like he doesn't know what EVIL means or like that specific qualifier isn't even there. And he even enumerates the different evil people she killed. She should receive a medal for that, not be called "mad" 2. When Arya pretty much tells Jon... "Yeah! We used her because we needed her! Now we don't need her anymore!" This is the moral character of the children of Ned Stark. THIS! This is what Ned Stark taught them. You'd think the girl that thought Aegon's sisters were heroes, that was smiling in E01 when she first saw Drogon, would actually like to at least talk to the Dragon Queen. Nope! They don't even exchange 2 words, but Arya hates her all the same... for no reason... other than because Sansa hates her... for no reason... Joffrey was right about them. The Boltons were right about them. The Lannisters were right about them. Roose Bolton and Walder Frey were heroes at the Red Wedding. The Starks sucked (and I had liked Sansa ever since season 1, since she threatened Joffrey when he was showing her Ned's head).

[@christophertracy383]

I knew Sansa was bad when she yelled at Jon that he brought a Targaryen Queen!

[@ValyTraveler]

You have no idea - well, maybe at how pissed I was watching -reactors- for GoT's and how they went along with the /mad BS of mad queen Daenerys... Like HOW? HOW? Them - "You see - she Targaryen, and those people are crazy"... Me - When, how is she crazy, when did she go crazy/mad... We were watching the same episodes... T - She went mad when she burned the armies and Sam's dad and brother... M - What?! Seriously, she was in a war like every other character in this show... T - But she used her dragons and burned people alive... M - So, everyone else used a sword, poison, that green stuff, dogs and shadow babies to name a few... And they were all alive before they died, too... It made no since - sorry to vent - but this topic points out how gullible people were to go along with this story line.😠..

[@Mitsu2040]

Daenerys gave them a swift execution. Sansa fed Ramsay to his dogs and enjoyed watching while it happened. Even when Dany killed the witch who murdered her child and husband, she didn't revel in it.

[@letsthink1124]

Not to mention no one tought Aegon the conqueror nor his sisters were mad when they used dragons in war. And I totally get what you mean

[@laurafreedlund2899]

Apparently ruthlessness toward her enemies is the same thing as insanity. Only when Dany displays that trait., of course. In every other character it's all good.

[@havila33]

A year later and we are all still f-ed up about it.

[@stupidusername84]

I guess Sansa is a mad queen too because she smiled when her abuser was brutally murdered. And if Daenerys being indifferent is a sign she’s mad, then the Six Kingdoms is screwed because that is all Bran is. He’s indifferent to everything.

[@timothythorne9182]

I think if we have a scene like "the bells" it'll be Jon Con flipping when the bells ring

[@lw9515]

Agreed. The bell detail seems related to either Jon Con or Cersei.

[@kaleanaking5292]

I bet you the bells only happened because they mixed some of faegons storyline with hers. Taking over dragonstone and attacking kings landing seems like what he's already done in the books. Personally though ever since I read the first book I knew she was going to end up the big bad at the end of it all

[@bigivel]

First in the books, the bells were never a sign of surrender, nor something of the sort. Nor in the show, except exactly in that case(another stupid idea of D&D that come out of nowhere). It makes no sense for Jon Con to get Mad by the Bells, because if they change the meaning of ringing bells and he misinterpets them, then he is in the right.

[@timothythorne9182]

@@bigivel her could be maddened by them because of some sort of PTSD from the Battle of the Bells where he lost to Robert

[@bigivel]

@@timothythorne9182 But like I said, the Bells never meant surrender. So him having PTSD when they are in fact attacking, is no PTSD at all. Bells in that case meant a calling to arms. Because they always meant a calling to something. For gathering because someone just died, or someone has a important message to all, or somebody is being judged, or for defense against attackers, or even to attack. So his mind playing tricks about an attack, when in fact is an attack(or should be), should be considered as it playing tricks.

[@tytybaby06]

Exactly!! A year later & I’m sick of making all these points in defense of her it’s like it’s ok for everyone else to kill their enemies but Daenerys

[@bAmMoD216]

Thankyou for bringing up that the Tarlys did the same thing as the Bolton's and the Fray's. It has been bugging me that no one points that out. Do I think Dany should have been queen by the end ,I wanted her to BUT I also know that girl deserves to find her little house with the red door and lemon tree and free herself. Do I think Dany and Aegon are going to fight, yeah but if and when KL burns I don't think the intent will be there or even Dany herself. I think it will be blamed and scapegoated towards her as a propaganda agenst her to paint her like her father.

[@Cunnysmythe]

In the last couple of seasons they they started applying modern norms and standards to the ruthless mediaeval setting. That's why suddenly these things were mad, I forgot that the world was brutal and cruel by design

[@thisfacebelievesyou8862]

While you’re right that the show eventually began to take modern norms into account, I don’t know that that really had any bearing on this issue. Other characters did things that are considered atrocities nowadays. Yet no one called them “mad”. The best example of this is Arya. Our girl tricked a father into cannibalizing his sons. Then she murdered dozens of Freys with absolutely no indication she distinguished between Freys and Freys involved in the Red Wedding. By any modern interpretation she’s dangerously mad. But I only hear praise for her actions.

[@MsEnglishtea]

When ever I hear " She was mad all along" I just think of it as lazy thinking. If she was to be mad then it's alright with me...she just wasn't THAT convincing. Daenerys was a lousy villain. Killing slavers makes her one? Killing her brother makes her a villain? killing the Dothraki Khals in the fire makes her a villain? Did those who hate her easily forget everything she's done to help others, free slaves and fight slavers? The last episode in s8 was just plain lazy. Now Bran the Broken is King...he isn't lord of anything but ruler of the SIX kingdoms.🤦‍♀️To those who thought it was a great ending, bravo! Good for you!👏 you are one of the few who liked it.

[@marianafata8169]

Targaryen loyalist for ever. Thank you for this juice, this "ending" will not happen in the books.

[@Harahvaiti]

Jon in the show was given elements of fake Aegon. Varys plotting against Daenerys is also element from the books where he is fAegon supporter, not hers. When you omit things or merge characters and plots you get mess.

[@bigivel]

Varys in the book is a supporter of both though! The objective is making him and her marry and form a powe couple. It was Young Griffith that got away of the original plan(also Danys fault to be sure) and decided to go the other way, but he still plans to join with her.

[@nexis1293]

Of all the characters in season 8 , Jon snow was the biggest disappointment. He turned into a complete fool!!!!!

[@Harahvaiti]

@@bigivel showVarys kinda forgot that marrying close relatives is not a big deal for Targaryens and uncle with nieces worked even for Starks. But D&D created mirrorverse Westeros

[@jacaerystargaryen2663]

Agreed a lot of the characters have other characters storylines. Jon had stannis battle victories Arya had lady stone heart plot points etc. season 8 was horrid people think dany going mad was the plot twist but I think it was bran becoming king was the plot twist. The book is gonna be totally different some of the people in the end aren’t even mentioned anymore in the books such as bronn. People forget that d&d said dany was their least favorite character to write so you had to know she was gonna get a crappy ending and also they only killed rhageal because they didn’t want dany going into king’s landing with two dragons 🐉. George May have given them outlines but they definitely detoured off of it which is probably why after season 4 he distanced himself away from it and let them make it how they wanted to make and he finish it through the books. In my honest opinion season 5-8 isn’t canon it’s just through the minds of David and Dan

[@YellowMisanthropist]

actually they did everyone wrong. the cast, the characters, and most importantly the fans

[@lauralee835]

It was probably the Starbucks cup in episode 2 that made her turn into the mad queen.

[@oloscarlopez8]

Long may she reign. Daenerys Targaryen I. The idiot writers totally destroyed her character. I was depressed for weeks after the last episode. Nothing made sense.

[@alienlv426ify]

The idiots writers destroyed everything.

[@RavennaZane]

Agree 110% 👏👏👏 It’s like D&D mixed up Cersei and Dany’s storylines for that last bit. Cersei was the one it would’ve made sense for. 🤷‍♀️

[@ryryfloridaboyvlogs5729]

In an interview with emilia clarke after the shooting of the bells, she said she had to go on a long walk after reading the script just to process everything she read. That alone is telling us this wasn't a planned out character arch, but a rushed mess.

[@ocky88]

Yes!!! The fact that Tyrion had a long exhaustive speech about the reasons Dany was awful and crazy is proof that the show did not set up her storyline at all. The audience should have been able to see the change happen slowly. Not get blindsided in a span of 2 episodes. She went from being a hero and helping to save mankind in episode 3 to killing everyone in sight by episode 5.

[@ocky88]

It was also set up for Jamie to kill Cersei in order to save Kings Landing. It is what his whole arch was moving toward and it was clear when he had the heart to heart with Brienne while captured by the Boltons. Jon was meant to defeat the Night King. It is what Hardhome was all about. They undid years of storytelling in 2 or 3 episodes.

[@laurafreedlund2899]

Yep, that was some major hypocritical bullshit reasoning on Tyrion's part. They ruined his character as badly as they destroyed hers.

[@lucas5665]

Probably an unpopular opinion, but I wish Daenerys had pushed Tyrion down the steps in the final episode. I was so sick of his shit by that point, and the patronizing speech he gives Jon/audience just made it all the more worse. In order to ruin Daenerys they had to ruin Tyrion as well, and it's sickening

[@josephedwardsarena9487]

In breaking bad, Walt's evil nature is foreshadowed from the first episode , in got there is literally nothing pointing to Danny's evil

[@phpxs]

Double standards... How is Danny mad when she only commits to violence. As if the Starks didnt kill anyone and didn't commit any attrocities.

[@wisdommanari6701]

That's what we call a double standard some people really just hate Danny and fail to see what Jon and the others do as bad.

[@yulisagarcia2475]

Exactly Dany get dragons and uses them to win and kill traitors and win a war. And oh it’s so bad blah blah. But aria gets the ability to change faces and uses it to kill a whole house (all male) for killing 2 of her family members oh but that’s good the best. How!?!?

[@kevinlaw826]

The last season totally ruined the entire series for me, i don't think I'll ever go back and watch

[@sydnitheromantictaylor112]

Same.

[@moritz3168]

i hope the book comes out before George RR martin dies xD. then im gonna re-read all the other books and then read book 6, its gonna be awesome to get a real ending!

[@aryasuperstark9599]

It's unwatchable

[@SoulPatroller]

Gurrrl, I am with Daenerys AND you! Still salty at how they ruined 7 and 1/2 seasons of character development - and the legacy of the entire series - in order to subvert expectations. The apologists who say the signs of madness were there all along? They can kiss my grits because: Arya committed mass murder and wasn't considered mad; Tyrion committed mass murder (via wildfyre) and wasn't considered mad; Ned beheaded a young man (who he admittedly thought was mentally ill) and wasn't considered mad; Jaime pushed a child out of a window and wasn't considered mad; Tywin orchestrated the Red Wedding and the murders of Elia Martell and the Targaryen children and he wasn't considered mad; Robert ordered the assassination of Dany (as a child) and he wasn't considered mad; and Bronn admitted (to Tyrion) that he would slaughter a babe in its mother's arms for a fee and he wasn't considered mad. #IStandbyDaenerys

[@laurafreedlund2899]

Right? How the hell are you supposed to "see the signs" that Daenerys was destined to go insane and go straight into Mega Hitler mode in the fact that she dealt ruthlessly, and even cruelly, with people who betrayed her or oppressed, enslaved and slaughtered innocents? Almost every person in this show deals with betrayal in horrible ways, what exactly is the tip-off that Dany was crazy but nobody else in the show was when they're doing shit more horrible than she ever did (up until season 8 of course)? People say "Well he/she was getting revenge because someone did them wrong somehow so that's fine". Well ok, I totally agree with that but I still don't understand why it's just desserts for the nobility of Westeros to rape and murder and torture their enemies AND their own families (for instance remember how Tywin Lannister had Tyrion's first wife gang-raped by his soldiers while Tyrion was forced to watch, and he did this to his OWN CHILD just for the crime of loving someone he didn't approve of), but it's inherently evil when Dany does the same. Why is it wrong only for her to also avenge herself and her loved ones? It's so weird and it's total nonsense, the hate-on a lot of people have for her. Why is she held to blame for the actions of the Dothraki (often used to basically claim she was a terrible person for being married to Drogo, as if she had any choice in the matter. Even though she definitely was having a positive influence on him like when he called her to explain taking the slave women into her protection instead of letting them continually be raped and abused). She stood up to Drogo and spoke out about the treatment of these women and claimed her authority over the Dothraki as co-equal to the Khal. And what do you know, he gently asked her to explain the situation and he LISTENED to her and admired and respected her reasoning and took her side in the matter, putting an end to the raping. Of course that pissed a bunch of them off but the fact is Dany was having a positive influence on the "savages" she was sold to. She would probably have made a lot more progress on that front but she and Drogo were only married for a year before he died and she had to start her mission to take the throne without his help. Sorry for the novel length rant here but it still annoys the shit out of me even after all this time.

[@crystalcarpenter4446]

I remember listening to you on the "after the episode ". You couldn't speak. Glad to hear your comments and I agree.

[@StannisHarlock]

The Daenerys fall into madness was a metaphor for D&D being forced to rely fully on their own writing talents in the later seasons.

[@samakrosario5546]

#FACTS, Queen Daenerys should have ended up on the throne, instead they had her do all the work, then they said thank you and killed her.SMDH!!!!😡🤬🤬, Good job on the video.

[@anne-kathrinhohlig1466]

ah.that is fantastic storytelling since the antics. what i want is something else and will not happening. because this is georges story. he can end it as it pleases him.

[@aryasuperstark9599]

Instead we got bran the boring

[@apersonwholikescats1979]

Arya Super Stark fr I was already done with the tv when Daenarys died but then they had the AUDACITY TO MAKE BRAN KING I LITERALLY ALMOST DIED

[@lacecy1990]

One thing we need to know and have it clear, If Dany was Mad, the moment she knew about Jon she would have hesitated the 2 times she saw Jon in danger, first time up in the sky when Jon was going at it with the Nk, and the second time where Jon was outnumbered on the ground! DANY would have hesitated to save his ass! but SHE DIDN'T!!! SHE SAVED HIS ASS IN A HEARTBEAT! 2. Tyrion used Jon the same way Sam used Jon....getting into his head! all so Tyrion can save his own head!!! he knew he was about to die! and rightfully so!!! he knew Varys was trying to kill her, he had chosen sides the moment Dany told him she captured Jaime!!! he was pissed Dany destroyed the RK and his siblings died cuz of it!!! He used Jon! because he never mentioned Jon was the rightful heir afterward!! and when he was talking to Jon he made his Identity as a huge matter!!! And Bran, fucking knew everything!!! he has visions of the future not just the past!!! He had the vision of Drogon flying over KL! He had the vision of the wildfire going all out, and that vision was from when Cersei used the WildFire ..... and the famous phrase "why you think i came all this way." WTF!!!! DANY WAS NOT MAD!!! IN MY DREAMS KINVARA RESSURECTS HER!!!

[@lornacorderowright7013]

I’m still pissed, even listening to the soundtrack which btw is amazing gets me upset! They totally screwed it up!

[@j.e.9737]

Lorna Cordero Wright I loooooovvvve the soundtrack ❤️

[@painlord2k]

What do a dragon eat anyway? Whatever it wants

[@georgepeterson4708]

A person who does terrible deeds for no reason is mad , a person who does terrible deeds in response to terrible deeds is just logical, Danny's deeds weren't even that terrible

[@anne-kathrinhohlig1466]

a person who does terrible deeds for no reason is not mad. he is ruthless or evil. a mad person can do terrible things. but he takes what he can get in his hands and he doesnt plan these acts.

[@houselorebridge]

I think the only way that the city of King's Landing will get destroyed is if the burning of the Red Keep ignites the wildfire hidden under the city. Then, some people and her enemies might claim that she is "mad" but it will all be a huge misunderstanding.

[@jonathanl9229]

If Daenerys had been a man, they would have called her strong and a hero. I think the show runners let Dany fall into the stereotype of an emotional woman who just flys off the handle for no reason.

[@jonathanl9229]

Mimosa - who hurt you? You wanna talk about it?

[@laurafreedlund2899]

Yet at the same time she's also characterized as cold, calculated and unfeeling. She could never win with some people.

[@finntastic3363]

I think Dumb and Dumber don't understand what the definition of madness is. And the only thing that was foreshadowed in the entire series was the literal shit montage in season 7, of how shitty the show is gonna turn out to be.

[@thedifferent14]

@El-ahrairah That doesn't sound right to me. Mental illness and "madness" aren't the same thing, and we haven't seen the slightest hint of Daenerys being mentally ill. And just because you may disagree with a person's choices, that doesn't make them "insane." Otherwise, every person who has ever made a mistake or killed someone wouldn't be responsible for their actions. Not to mention, bipolar disorders, depression, and schizophrenia have CRITERIA that it they need to meet to even be classified as such. Dany's father had multiple, long-lasting symptoms over many years with slow deterioration and escalating behavior.

[@thedifferent14]

@El-ahrairah Yes, they told us many things. But they never DEVELOPED them. The only justification for why Dany's actions are somehow different from others who do the same are her genetics. Every time Dany became upset at an outcome or circumstance, people interpreted it as her "going crazy" when any other reasonable person would've felt the same as she did. So for her allegedly being "mentally ill," I still believe to be false because other than burning King's Landing out of the blue, there is no supporting evidence for mania or depression. Dany wasn't shown to have any increasing instability, nor did we have any insight into her internal logic for why she would disregard values that she's had for the entire show. She didn't have mood swings or rapid speech or hypersexuality or anything of the like. The snapping may be sudden but the road there IS NOT. The only thing she ever did that she didn't have to do is burn King's Landing. And honestly, what is Dany just "snapping" supposed to mean for the story? That Dany never had any real choice at all? That Targaryens are just "evil?" Her journey has no real message because it's just all in the genes? If they wanted to push the incest angle, they should've done that from the beginning and dove much deeper into her family history. But they didn't.

[@christophertracy383]

D&D really mistook her greatness! In the books it says the Targaryens always danced close to madness and greatness. I know Dany is dancing close 2 greatness.

[@Harahvaiti]

Randyll Tarly is Roose Bolton of the Reach. Nuff said. But he betrayed Tyrells and not holiest of the holy Starks so different criteria are used regarding Roose and Randyll.

[@georgeprchal3924]

Tyrell. They only had one (there are a good many in the books, not just a snarky old lady) and in fairness she was a traitor to the crown by that point. Roose was just a douche who thinks himself clever.

[@Harahvaiti]

@@georgeprchal3924 Olenna was not a traitor because Cersei became queen by the act of mass murder which caused suicide of her last child. Cersei usurped the throne as Baratheon line at that moment was broken. No matter that her kids were false Baratheons

[@georgeprchal3924]

@@Harahvaiti regicide is considered treason in Westeros, in book 5 it's among the many treasons Cersei is accused of. Granted Cersei was ignorant of Olenna's role in Joffrey's death but to side openly with a foreign invader and army would easily be considered treason and accepted as such by the lords and commons of Westeros.

[@Harahvaiti]

@@georgeprchal3924 what allegiance Olenna owes to Cersei after she has killed her entire family? On the other hand Randyll Tarly is purest example of an oathbreaker same as Roose Bolton.

[@georgeprchal3924]

@@Harahvaiti oaths like kinslaying seem to mean nothing in the show. I'd say it reflects poorly on her if her entire forces desert her for the (there are no nice words for her) Cersei. Then again nothing about Cersei becoming the monarch made sense. (Not as bad as Bran being king, that's a whole new level of stupid) In the books Cersei doesn't even have any control over the Lannister forces.

[@brandonmitchell7686]

This just pisses me off all over again

[@Stoner075C]

The more seasons passed, the worse the series got. Dany's madness is not well presented, it is an a**pull.

[@ConnorW-tg4tv]

I stand by Daenerys till the day I die. Daenerys is my queen Always And Forever, Fire and Blood. I will stand by with Daenerys Targaryen forever.

[@jaclynfairhead5848]

I stand my Danaerys. It was an honour to be part of her fundraiser last year.

[@constantinetranos2225]

Gray Area do you think that it is possible for Daenerys to be mad in the eyes of other POV characters in the books but in reality she would act more like a Targaryen and nothing extreme? I think this is a possibility...

[@GrayArea]

Yep agree with this

[@SkaterBlades]

The show artificially decides when killing is good and bad. Normally it's when dany kills her enemies it's bad. D&d justified it with examples like dany letting her brother die, who'd been abusing her for her entire life and threatened to kill her and her baby. For every act of cruelty there's another benevolent action she's taken like locking up her dragons after one child died. Danaerys fits nicely into the morality of the show but apparently she's all "no TV no beer make dany go crazy" at the end. Arya killed two people, baked them in a pie, served it to their father, then slit his throat and watched him choke on his blood, then carved his face off, then put it on and used it to poison the rest of the family and many soldiers and other people and calmly walked through the bodies. Where's the mad assassin Arya? That's way more chilling than ANYTHING Dany did in the entire show

[@dajointcf4803]

the thing because shes a stark people will just ignore every bad thing she does and immediately say that whatever she does is justified.. i honastly cant understand whats so great about the starks... i just dont find them interesting as characters

[@SkaterBlades]

@@dajointcf4803 It's because Ned, who was a good guy, was the head of the family which automatically absolves them of any immoral thing they do.

[@dajointcf4803]

@@SkaterBlades still think its stupid i mean of all the people that ended up on the throne it had to be a stark? i mean brann really? and then there is the matter of grey worm not executing john for killing dany.. remember she was the one that gave him his freedom you think he and the rest of the unsullied would not have killed him

[@SkaterBlades]

@@dajointcf4803 Yeah but plot armour means more than actual armour in season 7 and 8. I've seen people that said we didn't like the ending because it was too sad but i don't like it because it was too happy. What could be described as the main protagonists, the starks, haven't had a death since season 3 (i don't count rickon since he did nothing in the entire show and the starks barely acknowledge him), the starks end up in charge of all 7 kingdoms, the north gained the independence they wanted, Jon became the king beyond the wall and Arya went off on her adventures. The rules that applied to Ned, Rob and Catelyn were thrown out the window. Jon, Arya and Bran would've been killed loads of times each if it wasn't for plot armour

[@mediaistheenemy]

I stand with Daenerys now and forever. #thequeenwechose

[@danbarton2751]

That final season was actually disgustingly bad its tarnished the whole series. In my opinion of course each to their own.

[@tgiacin435]

I’ve seen people try to justify it by using the moments she was angered by how the slaves were treated, as moments of her going mad, even though all those moments was her freeing the slaves. She didn’t kill cause she wanted to, she killed when she had to. I think if anything, Arya is gonna be the one to set light to the wildfire under king’s landing, going by what the ghost of high heart said

[@maxinetaylor1611]

I stand with the Dragon Queen. Season 8 was garbage.

[@Rosie-yt8nd]

tbh when i was watching episode 5 and she had the look, i thought "oh she's going to burn the red keep" which would have made sense. going after cercei directly. and it would have been a morally grey decision because of the civilians cercei had surrounded herself with, but it would have been understandable. now some of my theory on how the rest of the city burns: while doing going at the red keep 1) daeny accidentally ignites a stash of wild fire under the keep, and in a chain reaction it ignites all the stashes in the city one after the other like a green exploding domino. or 2) spiteful cercei commands someone to ignite them because she knows she lost and she wants to leave dany nothing but ashes to rule. maybe the people, who dont know the situation, blame the fire on the foreigner with the dragon, who knows. but dany would never intentionally hurt innocents when it's not necessary. even in her anger, the vengeance would be directed at cercei and the ones surrounding her. this would also fit the speech emilia gave in a behind the scenes footage (that hbo unlisted cuz it contradicts those two fucks) i think dumb and dumber purposefully kept the skipt and stuff vague and did not reveal the full extend to which the town would be burning. some streets? yes. oh dany is getting ready to burn something? probably the red keep and some surrounding area she needs for access. nope, just anything in her way, even doing a few extra leaps. just see the difference in emilia's behind the scenes interviews after filming (when post production hasnt happened yet) and her at the premiere after actually seeing the season. they did both dany and her so dirty. she did the best to work with the shitty outline dumb and dumber gave her.

[@nataschajongsma6210]

I fully expected Cersei to blow up KL. But no, they had to humanize "poor" Cersei and make Daenerys mad to subvert expectations.

[@bwoop4388]

I doubt this was planned out for years; this was the only episode where we didn’t get any after-episode insight. Most likely because there was nothing logical to say about what had just taken place lol. Another reason for my disbelief in this “foreshadowing” is that ultimately the show was cut SHORT, VERY much so. There was enough book content and material for several more seasons. No, this final episode was not carefully Planned and foreshadowed. It was a grossly rushed short coming.

[@sance777]

Thank you for saying this is exactly what I thought as I was watching that disaster a year ago. This the reason I cannot rewatch any Game of Thrones anymore because of this last season . Not only did they spit in the face of fans but they wanted us to believe something that didn't make sense. Something that any logical and intelligent person could not believe could happen as a result without any significant amount of time to properly show the development of how Danaerys descended, if she would even descend into madness. I think your analysis is thorough and logical and it does show the errors that the writers did and wanted for us to swallow like a bunch of imbiciles that can't tell the difference between a good and a bad story.

[@j.e.9737]

I really did wanna see Daenerys on the Throne. 🥺 I wanted her to at least put her butt on it, dammit! I do blame writing overall, because I think her burning King’s Landing was so....unnecessary. I also don’t think that automatically means she suffered from the Targaryen madness, like her psychotic father did. I had so much hope...but this is Game of Thrones. Happy endings don’t exist here 😩 Plus, I understand the Northerners are hella suspicious of outsiders (and they have their reasons), but I really cringed whenever Sansa interacted with Daenerys. 😬 They didn’t have to be friends, but there should have been more understanding. They both have their own experiences, but damn. Sansa could have been a bit more kind. Js 🤷🏽‍♀️

[@brownrecluse9261]

Sansa was so ridiculously hateful to Dany, I just couldn't buy it. You don't treat guests in your home like that no matter how much you don't trust them. They never wrote any of the men this way. It was always the women getting in their feelings. It's disgusting and lazy tbh.

[@bigivel]

The "Targaryen madness" that his talked she has, but is something that she has since the first season. That what is funny. The Targaryen madness had most to do with them having "dragon dreams" and believing that with fire somehow being able to "turn" into dragons. She had those dreams and that was what took her to go into the fire and hatch the dragons. And supposedly she still has those dreams, the ones with Quaithe. And that is why she knows things from the "future". Note that her father madness, that people talk about(nobody other than Jaime, Brienne and the alchemists know about his plain to engulf Kings Landing in fire) is something totally different from the "Targaryen" madness, although they in someway correlate them(Like when Barristan said that there was always a line between madness and genius in the Targaryens and that Danys father was a brilliant men that started to go more the other way).

[@j.e.9737]

bigivel Yes, Dany’s dragon dreams are definitely something to take note of, but ehhhhhh, I guess my comment is referring more to the show. As far as the line between madness and genius, I guess I could see Rhaegar fitting that description. However, I don’t think Aerys II fits that’s description at all. I don’t remember reading anything about Aerys II being rather intelligent. Just average intellect and handsome in his youth. 🤷🏽‍♀️

[@bigivel]

@@j.e.9737 Barrison Selmy talking with Dany about her father and his madness. Where he said geniality and madness merge an aren't very well distinguished(or something like that), but Aerys still had some instances of "madness", but they were soon forgiven because they were rare and he was charming, but with time it started getting worse, and the geniality and charm disappeared all and the rare instances of madness became the norm. Note that Rhaegor never was said to be a genius. Mainly because he never had any leading roles. His father was the king for many years and had many decisions to rule(Though some said that it was Tywin that was behind all of that, :P). Rhaegor when talking is about Knightlyhood, being a upstanding guy and delicate.

[@anne-kathrinhohlig1466]

i want see dany far away from westeros. she lives in a house with a red door. in the garden growing lemon trees and other fruit trees and summerflowers filling the air with sweetness. and soft gras for a bed. and she is under her true kin. willem darry keeps the peasants in order, rhaella is watching her babes in game. rhaegar plucks some lemons and elia(accompanied by ashara) teaches the children. aerys and viserys are locked up in the cellars. they are inprisioned for good reason. and jorah is a houseguard along with barry s., oswell wh., jonothor d., gerold h., prince lewyn m. and the arthur dayne.

[@noahkanku8139]

People call her mad for executing enemies but not about Jon hanging a influencable child or Arya backing sons into pies and feeding them to their father #IfYoureAStarkYouCanDoNoWrong

[@jonathanl9229]

Randall and Dickon Tarly should have been executed for betraying their Liege Lord and House they swore fealty to. I don’t understand how anyone can say she was “mad,” for doing what any man would have done in her position.

[@diegoolivaresgonzalez42]

In fact anny other man would have executed them without asking for surrender.

[@josephedwardsarena9487]

I stand by Daenerys No one who reads the book would defend that ending whether they like Danny or not.