Driving the 2022 GR86 - A worthy sequel? - Fan vs Skeptic | Everyday Driver

[@mattdirks7896]

Well, the CEO of Toyota just pushed to make a better sportscar. We'd better buy some or else we never get one like it again.

[@staLkerhu]

Im in, but still lack the money :/

[@andrewblewski7926]

This is a tough next few years. I want to buy this, because I want Toyota to know it is wanted. But I also want Nissan to know the new Z is wanted. I can't afford both 😂

[@exothermal.sprocket]

Ya better take what you have and stick it in gold, silver, and crypto before the international banksters steal it all.

[@andrewm5840]

Dido

[@CapFlipGaming]

@@mikea5205 I'm moving to Phoenix from Indiana in a couple months. I'm liking the RF Miata, but on the fence between that and this 86. Is it too hot to drive the Miata every day?

[@117johnpar]

Today is official GR86 day. I've probably watched 3 hours just today of the same opinion and breakdown.

[@PBrooksSawyer]

You planning to get one? I'm looking to get one november/December

[@craigjacquesaujero3195]

I thought august 6 was 86 day? coz 08/06? lol

[@vision1707]

Me too...lmbo.

[@AB0BA_69]

I mean, when something is good it's just good! I wanted to get a Miata RF, but since I don't care much about the convertible part the 86 looks like the drive for me.

[@normanparthiban4383]

The journalists are doing an insane job with the hype. I’ve just graduated college one year ago and have waited to buy a car. I complain about sports cars dying so I may have to put my money where my mouth is

[@HigeYatsu]

Takeaway: The new GR86 made Paul and Todd feel a dramatic stiffness increase.

[@toddsmith8608]

Am I the only one annoyed they talked over each other the whole time?

[@AB0BA_69]

@@toddsmith8608 It was a bit harder to follow. They had more of a "banter" than a scripted approach. But to be honest, the 86 has been under such a microscope that no one is going to say anything revolutionary unless they're intending to be a contrarian. Aka: "it's amazing with several flaws that prevent it from achieving complete greatness because they had to fit it under in a strict budget"

[@350z33hr]

They're really trying hard to sell this car to "enthusiasts"

[@yowadup1000]

This comment is underrated af 😂😂

[@toddsmith8608]

@@AB0BA_69 I don't mind the banter or whether their comments were positive or negative. If I want to hear two people talking over each other I can watch the news or a political debate. It makes the content less enjoyable to watch... for me at least. I normally enjoy this channel.

[@Mgoblagulkablong]

How well this sells will decide the future availability of affordable sports cars.

[@PHFilms3]

We know it won’t sell well…. Let’s just be happy Toyota made something here

[@eVerProductions1]

Might actually be my first new car, I’m a Scotty Kilmer kinda guy and penny pinch but to support fun sports car with a stick to live on I’ll do it

[@chorseundgrd]

The future of affordable sports cars is electric so I don't think so.

[@bassandtrebleclef]

@@chorseundgrd What electric sports car is available? And of those, which ones are affordable?

[@chorseundgrd]

@@bassandtrebleclef I used the word "future" for a reason. I think this is the last crop of ICE sports cars we're going to see. The next generation of these will be electric 6-8 years from now. That is the "future" where advancements in battery tech will make these "affordable". I don't even like electric cars but the writing is on the wall.

[@squirreldog1596]

Hands down one of the best looking cars you can buy. Such a simple look, but the proportionality is perfect

[@effa114]

Really does have a classic look. So glad they went simpler and not fussier

[@CathDamienn1776]

@@effa114 the torque dip and the looks of the gen 1 of the renewed 86 really just couldn't be for me but this... This is perfection now

[@JeremyHartson2000]

Put this up against the current Civic and the Civic looks like it’s from an alien universe.

[@Schlock3000]

@JeremyHartson2000 And will leave the Toyota in the dust

[@JoshuaTootell]

I do think they did a good styling job.

[@travistouchdown1812]

Thank you Mazda, Subaru, Toyota for delivering the light weight, rear wheel drive, affordable sports car in 2020 + This car has such beautiful and simple styling inside and out.

[@tashriquekarriem8865]

I've been driving a prius for most of my driving life I just got a good deal on a 1st Gen 86 and it feels like a rocket to me. My point being its all relative if you driving fast cars every other week/month its going to feel slow but to a guy like me its fast.

[@michaelgomez4994]

not true. because in reality your still going slowly no matter how it “feels”

[@JorgeElCuh]

@@michaelgomez4994 "point being its all relative"

[@michaelgomez4994]

@@JorgeElCuh no it’s not slow is slow

[@jastation321]

@@michaelgomez4994 What he’s saying is that it may be “slow” but it does not feel slow. Not hard to understand

[@michaelgomez4994]

@@jastation321 i disagree.. what’s hard to understand

[@Dampachi100]

Am I the only one who miss analog gauges? I like seeing a physical needle spin.

[@rayloray8895]

I have never woken up early to watch car reviews on the day the embargo lifts. As a current 2018 BRZ owner, the temptation is very very strong

[@booyashaka3182]

I'm split between getting one of these or an older Cayman

[@kc510]

@@booyashaka3182 same!

[@rayloray8895]

@@booyashaka3182 I test drove both a 986 and 987 boxster. Sorry Paul, even the first gen BRZ is better (at least better than the non-S). The Porsche has weirdly tall gearing and a vague shifter that made street driving not fun to me. Great smooth revving flat 6 though!

[@booyashaka3182]

@@rayloray8895 damn, that says alot haha

[@kieljiro4981]

Don’t do it lol

[@mrendall90]

I just bought of one these last night, in no small part thanks to you guys. Thanks for your excitement for this car. I couldn't be happier with mine.

[@bhearing7681]

The intro had me laughing. I've never been so excited to see a embargo lift on a new car and hope to buy one in the future to replace my FRS

[@JohnFromAccounting]

One of the best early breakdowns of this car. All the little bugbears with the old car are gone. It's not revolutionary, it's evolutionary. I feel that if they made dramatic changes, there would be just as many flaws as with the Mk1.

[@wcrowe75]

I just couldn't get over the lack of power in the old one when I test drove it. I can't wait to give this one a test drive!

[@massterwushu9699]

Just buy a Mustang GT. This car isn’t for someone looking for lots of power.

[@emirramos990]

@@massterwushu9699 The Mustang GT cost quite a bit more than this car. It would have to be the eco boost 4 cylinder mustang to be a closer comparison.

[@massterwushu9699]

@@emirramos990 yeah, but the people asking for more power are missing the entire point of this car. They only care about hp and burnouts. I’m sure he could find a used GT for under $30k.

[@kerm281]

Get a Tesla if you want speed. I think tats what you’re looking for.

[@wcrowe75]

Yall are wild lol. I just want to test drive it to see if it feels quick enough. I've got a list of over 20 cars to test drive next summer before I pick the next one, and the Mustang GT has no place on it. (The gt350 does, however).

[@niclash4534]

I love how you're both so euphoric about the car. :D Now I love my GT86 even more.

[@Izzys_Autos]

“Your skiing on Blues”. Absolutely love that analogy

[@thirdpedalnirvana]

Timestamp? I missed that analogy. Side note, we need a park city EDD ski meet up!

[@FOXDADDYSUPREME1]

I sold my BRZ for a 986S about a year ago. I really liked it with the header and tune, but ultimately just wanted a change. I think this is enough to get me back into one. I'll just wait until they're out for a year or so and see what colors they come in.

[@tcoffin014]

I went from a 2018 PP BRZ to a base 987.2 Cayman. I don't think I can go back as much I like the new 86. There's something about the Porsche that just feels right that I never felt with the BRZ even though I loved the BRZ too

[@effa114]

Very curious about this versus a 987 cayman or cayman S.

[@lepepus]

@@effa114 you cannot compare this to a 987 gen Porsche. The Porsche is just on a different level. Not to knock this car, but this car is more along the lines of a Miata.

[@Azulevo]

Both this and 987 are about same $. But in 5 years…… 987 might go up in $, this will drop in half. I like this car, but financially, 987 is smarter purchase. Still, this modern bells and whistles car is very attractive.

[@stms4411]

I have a 2017 brz and a 981 boxster s. You can totally compare them. Obviously an extra $40k (when both were new) affords a lot of things for Porsche……but they are spiritually similar cars. What I really enjoy is going back and forth between them so I can experience the difference in engineering approach. There’s about 150lbs difference between them and the germaness of the boxster feels staid and solid……the Japanese essence of the brz makes it flingable. I love them both without feeling the need to praise Porsche by shitting on other cars

[@SunnyCue-ew5ow]

Two 6'3 adults rolling in an 86. That's really good and lets me know I can easily buy this now since my only problem is I'm built like an NFL linebacker. My G35 coupe was very spacious btw

[@randoman75]

I drove one of these back to back with my paid off 2013 BRZ. It's really nice. The interior is much more modern. I think my car looks much, much better. The new one looks bloated and jelly beaned. I don't think it's a bad looking car, but I don't think I'd feel the same glow spotting it in a parking lot as I do my WRB BRZ. The power is noticeable... but my 15 6mt accord 2.4 had significantly more low end grunt. The difference feels more subtle than the dyno charts suggest, but the car dealer sitting shotgun kept making scared noises and traffic was bad so I never really got to rev it out. Ultimately I got back in my car and I think I like it better... it just feels slightly more raw and special. It's a keeper. I'll never sell it. The new car is awesome, but I think it's missing a bit something. I think I'll get a positive displacement supercharger. It won't have a warranty but I'll have at least $15k left over rather than buying a new one. The twins are awesome. Try one!

[@Blackthump]

There is an option for sure to turn off the piped in sound via software. I own a GR Yaris an my dealer turned off the artificial sound via the OBD interface.

[@jbalgo]

You can also buy the official pipe piece from japanparts. They come in different colours, so you can chose the level of sound in your cabin.

[@Bmontepeque11]

The 86 as never called like that because of the bore and stroke, it's called like that because it's the new version of the AE86, the 86mm bore and stroke is just a nice accidental easter egg 🧐

[@travistouchdown1812]

The interior is very clean and simple. I love it!

[@kkkkimbg]

that remind me lotus elise

[@ayb2522]

“You look at the steering wheel and that’s a thing.” - Everyday Driver

[@lepepus]

Haha... not sure what that was all about!! 😆

[@dielaughing73]

@@lepepus no clue either. It's got vents, controls, a screen and a steering wheel is my takeaway

[@1avro]

I think they just meant that the interior doesn’t flow. Every part of it just looks like it’s own thing. Not like this thing that was super intricately designed to look a certain way.

[@JeremyHartson2000]

Non-driver-centric are the real take-aways.

[@undrgrnd734]

that whole bit when paul was talking. I'm trying to grasp my head around what the heck was he saying. Words are flowing out and it's english but what tf does he mean by that

[@mardamek]

"Skiing on blues" lol that was a great comparison but also very spot on because these cars (affordable, sporty cars) are meant for that. Not everything is about going 10/10th and being at the edge. Sometimes driving not so fast can be just as pleasurable as getting the adrenaline rush from driving on the edge.

[@bedmember]

Why do people complain about it not having a turbo? Claiming to know more than a company that's one of the biggest manufacturer in the world? Toyota knows you're still going to buy it anyway. I used to think it needed a turbo, but over the years and as my taste has evolved, I think it doesn't need it. Sure, it would be fun and thrilling to add a turbo. Tune it, chase after more expensive sports cars and feel good about it. It also makes you look insecure and compensating. You can't exploit it half of the time on the road, unless you track it every week. If you were Toyota, would you allow it to go against the Supra? Not to mention turbos add complexity and more importantly cost.

[@Brian-uq6jm]

Adding a turbo would defeat the purpose of this car, which belongs to the skidpad and track. To make a race car out of this, the major things to do is reduce its weight and tune the suspension, wheels and tyres, not adding weight to the front end from a turbo, that'd just be retarded. If people want a turbo'ed car, they are looking at the wrong car. They should go get the Mustang, the new Z, or whatever fills their ego. The 86 is a serious car and it can't be compromised, and i hope it stays this way.

[@Brian-uq6jm]

And just some food for thought: Some Chinese KZbinr made a comparison video between two cars, 86 and BRZ, one supercharged to have 100 extra hp on the wheels, and another staying on stock power and getting the weight reduced to 1200kg with a fully retuned the suspension. Both have upgraded wheels and tyres. The lighter car wins on a track. It's sort of expected though, when it comes to adding power or reducing weight, reducing weight always takes priority when making it faster on a track cuz adding power doesn't only add weight, it also requires changing and strengthening of other parts which can add more weight, which changes handling and corner speed for the worse.

[@JoshuaTootell]

Most people never get enough track time to even fully exploit a car at the track. At one point I was hitting the track at least once a month on my motorcycle for a couple years in a row and I was still seeing decent improvements every time. If you are that pure of a track driver, you already know what you want in a car and either did, or did now, buy this car for a reason.

[@Brian-uq6jm]

​@@JoshuaTootell True. I'm just just so glad Toyota and Subaru don't give in and add a turbo to this car whatever their reasoning was. Those who want a turbo can easily do it themselves. These cars are already a rare breed and are almost going extinct. Now everything is going turbo and big numbers to sell cars. I have the upmost respect for Toyota/Subaru/Mazda for keeping these cars alive the way they are. I just hope they keep this up for as long as they can.

[@DanielHouckThe6thDanHouck]

My favorite part of both the old and the new 86 is the simplicity and lightweight design. I would love $$$$$ to see a even lighter sport plus edition.

[@aygwm]

Be happy that it exists, period!

[@acchaladka]

Yeah the fuel economy here is killing me. Still, I'd buy one if i didn't have my mind on an mx-5 next.

[@toddsmith8608]

Daniel Houck: buy one and remove carpet, sound deadening, stereo, ac, etc.

[@Vashed555]

Todd and Paul driving while surrounded by greenery creeps me out.

[@JP4drumsFarrell]

Welcome to Upstate NY. Some of the best driving roads!

[@billcatalano2683]

@@JP4drumsFarrell and with the most ambitious group of State Troopers and County Sheriff’s! Another Upstater.

[@papatorr3669]

Don't be a creep, these are a couple of cool cats!

[@bdy6903]

I’ve been waiting for this review for months. So excited it’s finally here! Great job as always, guys!

[@chuckmakesit]

Yeah, as someone who only didn't get the old model because of the torque dip I've been waiting to hear if the new engine improved that.

[@franzvanjulio5523]

So excited to see the review. Thanks for the great content on KZbin, the podcast and everything else you provide. Be well!

[@EverydayDriver]

Glad you enjoyed it. Thanks for being with us!

[@zakunknown9737]

I watched your OG WRX vs BRZ video. I ended up buying both eventually. I'm so excited for this car.

[@EverydayDriver]

Thanks for being a long time viewer!!

[@jorgnyoa3561]

I love the fact that they removed the tourqe dip. But i just feel like the 1st gen design (both interior and exterior) looks way better

[@JS-hw8ve]

Agree. Drop the '22's engine into an older model and then pop champagne.

[@omargarsh2663]

I'm just not feeling that ducktail spoiler. The front end doesn't do much for me, either. I thought they could have made the first gen a little better looking when it came out. Now I think it looks a lot better than this new one.

[@JS-hw8ve]

@@omargarsh2663 It looks kinda nondescript. Not like a car itself, but like parts of other cars mashed together. From the back it looks a little like a Supra. From the front it looks like a Nissan. The tail lights look like a Honda.

[@sc3639]

Yes! I have waited a long time for this one.

[@jehl1963]

Thank-you guys! You made a video from the GR86 release which doesn't look like everyone else's video from the GR86 receipt!

[@EverydayDriver]

Thank you. That’s always our intention. Glad to have you watching!

[@Genevagirls-h2x]

In before the first "ah boy but they didn't turboz the platformz y0" comment!!! I'm glad they are keeping the car true to what its supposed to be. Love it!

[@alexeyprasolov870]

Was waiting for it! I always get a great kinda old school automotive feeling from your reviews

[@acchaladka]

Have to agree with Todd that the first gen looked more original and i like it better but that ducktail spoiler really sells it for me. It's a mini Supra look and silly, I'm in. Now, this or an mx-5...

[@coldvaper]

I’m glad at their age they are still able to feel that stiffness.

[@JakeRogue]

Just FYI the 86x86mm bore and stroke of the previous car was a coincidence. The chassis designation of the AE86 is where it came from, so the new engine has nothing to do with the name accuracy.

[@michaelc.seeley4850]

Taillights look like new NSX. This is a good thing.

[@Chewygsxr]

Good review, nice to know I can corral one of those in the Twistys in my 14 Fiesta ST on stage two Cobb with sticky Michelin tires, I remember how the ST put such a awesome smile on your faces when you drove it. The Fiesta Flash 🤙🏼🍺🍺🍺

[@fredericgsr]

Thanks for this interesting test as usual. Here in Bordeaux in France I can't wait to try it.

[@JeremyHartson2000]

Love you guys more with each episode. The Tube, the podcast... all valuable takes on what makes a car great. Just concluded a podcast where you discussed low-powered sports cars vs high-powered trucks and it was bang on. Bravo and keep it up!

[@EverydayDriver]

Glad to have you with us and enjoying what we do. Thanks for watching!

[@thirdpedalnirvana]

The green Drifting 911 in the intro always makes me happy

[@t.k.morris]

Last suggestion but very important... Dealers tend to stock automatics because more people will buy them. Not everyone wants one, but even I have caved before, only to regret it, buying an automatic because it was in stock when I wanted a manual. Toyota and all manufacturers should give the dealers a manual transmission on consignment. That way the dealer doesn't pay for it until it sells. But you can't sell manuals if they are not in stock and all dealers should have at least one manual in stock at all times.

[@t.k.morris]

@@Jaguar-s7f I understand your comment but most people would want to test drive the car before making the decision to get it without testing it first. When I was younger I even bought a new car without a test drive because it was like my fourth Honda Accord so I didn't feel the need to drive it. It turned out fine, but I would not suggest anyone make the purchase before driving it down the road first. And in today's Covid market, I am not sure how dealers feel about trading cars to sale.

[@DirtydogMech]

Manual lever parking brake?? 👌👏👍 I'd buy it just because of that reason. Glad they didn't go to electric parking button

[@HandsomeAlex25]

First video I'm watching on this car. Love that you guys come from different perspectives on the first gen.

[@cy9nvs]

I need one. In dark blue, premium and manual, please Toyota don't screw up the price in germany.

[@jaxonstechchannel8286]

So sieht's aus ! Toyota Marketing macht keinen Mist jetzt.

[@GTE_Channel]

In Holland these are >55k euros.... insane. A GR Yaris is cheaper, by a few thousand

[@cy9nvs]

@@GTE_Channel the gt86 started at like 28.000€ in Germany

[@cy9nvs]

@@Jaguar-s7f I think he confuses this with the supra. The GR 86 isn't out and the gt86 was like 26.000€.

[@A861967]

The 1st Gen Looked better, perhaps this will look better when I see one in the metal as a GTS86 owner I will go and drive the GR86 and see how much better it is. Great review as always

[@jerryc6497]

Great review guys! And liking the Tudor GMT Paul. I got one recently myself :)

[@joby602]

The stereo engine sound reminds me of gran turismo - gran turismo 1. the nostalgia is strong. :D

[@user-qq2mo1ek2r]

The window/door seal on the driver side behind the driver is doing my nut in.... Aside from that this car is a huge improvement over the first gen car. Great looking car, nicely evolved and loving the duck tail. Well done Toyota.

[@papatorr3669]

14:26 : And here I thought the GT86, predecessor to the GR86, was named in honor of the AE86, now still famous in part by the race driver and drift king Keiichi Tsuchiya!?!? That's interesting that it's also partially the displacement.

[@EverydayDriver]

Yes, it’s a reference to the AE86, and that cars name relates to its engine. Ultimately, the engine size isn’t that important to maintain the history or the badge. Thanks for watching!

[@papatorr3669]

@@EverydayDriver Aha! Thanks! I forwarded your video to my son emediatelly. He has a down payment on a GR86!

[@JOMFSE]

BMW used to relate their name to the engine size. It kept that same idea but not as neat as it used to be 😤

[@kenneth5769]

Great upgrades - bigger engine, functional side vents, nice side profile but they ditched the manual tachometer :/

[@Leonidae]

*analog

[@swift9417]

Damn I can`t wait to test drive this here in Europe! Luckily we get the 86 here after all.

[@progste]

Yes, we get the 86 but not the brz

[@jbalgo]

Mid 2022.

[@bernatmorrosporta4497]

I was really waiting for this!!!

[@Stigmaru]

10:58 I believe the perfect word to sum up the interior is "Modular." Everything looks very modular like as if it's inviting you to update it with something aftermarket.

[@jamesflores1146]

A good driver can change the game with this ride💯😳

[@dachanist]

So Todd loves it... and Paul wouldn't mind getting a word in edgewise maybe someday.

[@Jorge_Magallon]

Paul’s allusion to the 94x86 Bore to Stroke makes “86” moniker unauthentic? Hmmm, Taycan TURBO. Love you Paul!

[@casperko8311]

I must admit, I was skeptical about the styling choices for the GR, particularly the taillights and rear in general. However, The interior upgrades, engine upgrades, and all the improvements have won me over. The headlights look very premium albeit less aggressive than the GT's. Over time I think I'll come to like the taillights as well.

[@Joseph-ts5yz]

I'm still considering the rear also. I love the front lights. I think the brz lights look a little funny and I would choose the Toyota over the suburu just because of the slight front end differences

[@MiggySmalls714]

@@Jaguar-s7f that's what sold me too. If only Nissan makes another Sylvia I'll be in heaven.

[@Soravia]

torque dip can be tuned out. It happens due to switch between port injection and direct injection. Just use direct injection at all time except idle to keep carbon build up out of the intake valves

[@thisgame2]

Oh shit. Been waiting for this. It's perfect now

[@saviordream]

I'm really interested in seeing this tested against an ND2 Miata. I had a 2018 BRZ, and now I have a 2020 MX-5, but this is really tempting me back to the 86 camp.

[@richardhoulton4016]

I had a 2014 BRZ. I currently have a 2017 MX5 RF….I’m getting one of these next.

[@IstralLabraid]

Throttle house has already done it, the nd2 is slightly slower in a drag race, and also slightly slower on their track

[@richardhoulton4016]

@@IstralLabraid Not that that really impresses me that much. These cars are about how they make you feel. Half a second here or there doesn’t sway me very much.

[@tag2222]

Great review guys, also, Paul, nice Tudor Pepsi btw!

[@ericp8852]

Thanks for the video, good work.

[@kignacio]

That Monticello motor club is $70,000 initial, $550 a month for base level membership and limited to 15 days a year 😬

[@norm2655]

Great review guys.

[@andreemilsen369]

Thanks guys 😊 I really love this car 😊

[@1013VS]

one of the few reviews on KZbin that count

[@lynxtar1]

This isn't a bad thing, but on the styling conversation. The front end looks like a F-type Jag to me more than anything else. In fact I'd bet if you got rid of the badging and showed the shot at 12:50 to 100 people you'd get that response a lot. The tail lights really do look similar to a Honda Accord from like 2019.

[@danielkyllo4121]

I'd be hard pressed to by the GR. As an owner of an FRS which has a header, exhaust and tune, I can get similar power and still go 650km on a tank of gas. For a daily driver, I would stick with the 2L personally. (I have a lengthy commute) But if I was just buying a car to have fun with....well then I'd think about the GR for sure.

[@Mickey_Bauer]

So the engine sound is played through a speaker that can't be turned off? I wonder what the car will sound like when the speaker gets ripped and buzzy. I don't like the idea of the fake noise, other than that it's a great, fun little car.

[@bliglum]

So, in a nutshell, it's got at least a bit more power, with the same fun tossable nature... That's a win!

[@sfxpunk]

Header and tune on my 17 BRZ & wont sell. Love the newer models but its not enough for me to let go of mine. Great video guys!

[@scottanthony3426]

Can you provide some specifics? I have same year - '17 Limited with Performance Pack. I'm fine with the suspension, but am thinking about the header/tune route. Been looking at Perrin. Once I heard the new one was going to have a new drivetrain, I put that idea on hold. Was planning to upgrade tires when the OEM tires that everyone bitches about wear out too. Thanks. I always go back and look at Todd's FRS video in which they did a header and tune and got rid of the torque dip. Ours have the advantage of shorter gearing than the '13 that Todd owned, so that helps a bit too (and that massive 5 HP/5 ft-lb torque.) If you stuck with the '17" wheels, we may have some savings on unsprung weight too. I am still under 25K miles too, and sprung for winter wheels and tires, so I'm not super anxious to get rid of it yet. At a minimum, I'd probably wait for the '23 or later to see how the new 2.4 version holds up.

[@ernesternest815]

@@scottanthony3426 yes wait for a used one. The issue with trading up is you will be paying a lot in that trade for more power. Not sure it’s worth it for DD. But I will drive one and see. If you are auto x or tracking maybe it’s worth it. Certainly not getting the first year, unless I was up for a new car.

[@justinguerrero6357]

I currently have a 2017 and I feel like it’s pretty slow. Will a header and tune really make a difference ? Dyno wise it’s only like 10 hp more

[@sfxpunk]

@@scottanthony3426 Also performance package, love my brembos - why no Brembos for these models? HKS Intake Tube / high flow filter JDL UEL catted header / Motiv OP 2.5 / Stock FP & Exhuast JR NA Oil Cooler Perrin Crank Pulley Dyno tuned Michelin Pilot Sport 4 s / RPF1 17x8 Swift Spec R Springs / StopTech Sport Pads Its quiet, and has a nice growl and its stupid fun. Love these new models for sure but I love my current BRZ too much. Mine is a daily and mountain slayer. 70K miles on mine lol I use liquid moly oil and change strictly every 4k miles

[@sfxpunk]

@@justinguerrero6357 After a dyno tune I'm happy to see the tq dip is no more. Still slow in a straight line yes, but one of the fastest on the curves for the money.

[@Bones12x2]

It's absolutely a revolutionary engine change. The original was objectively too slow in any situation other than at high RPM on a track. I wanted to like one, I drove one on the track and the street and bought a used 350Z instead and that was by far the better choice. But if this new torque band and power under the curve is as substantial as it seems then it completely changes my interest in the car.

[@pdpiper]

Oh man!!! This might be the first new car I ever buy

[@Wolfen_Argent]

The gt86 running on e85 is the way to go. Super glad they made a successor

[@papatorr3669]

So according to Edmund's my 1997 BMW Z3 weighed 2690 lbs., had 190 HP at 5,300 rpm, and 207 ft-lbs of torque at 3950 rpm. I thought of it when you announced at the beginning that the increase in torque is what made the difference. And if I had to pick I would prefer a car with more torque than horsepower on public roads. I would then rather Toyota had developed the inverse of those numbers: 184 HP, and 228 ft-lbs! My newer 01 Z3 developes puts out about 225 HP at 5,900 rpm and 214 ft-lbs at 3,500 rpm. I know they're only two seaters, but they're convertibles!

[@papatorr3669]

@@twhalen I'll look it up elsewhere and edit this reply I thought it was just over 2800 lb

[@ronaldcolman6211]

Finally got the front end right, then made the rear look like a Civic with a 'biff' haricut.

[@zm0rc]

I like the duckbill, to each their own.

[@swanblake]

What's interesting is the new engine still has the power gap /drop in the middle of the rpm band. Surprised they didn't fix that. The fake engine noise through the speakers is so overwhelming that I hope you can turn that off like in the Hyundai/Kia products

[@kevinnorwood7355]

I like the steering wheel in the first one. I don't get the modes and I'm old a sports car used to be sports car. Sport cars were ALWAYS in Sport you didn't need a mode for that.

[@Sable_Slipper23]

I have been waiting for this car for 2 years. Sign me up.

[@calebleong5853]

Really glad they’ve allowed the fake noise to be disabled at the dealers! Perfect!

[@Mexxx65]

Porsche 944S2 : "He ain't heavy Mr., he's my brother!!!!"

[@eddiewehmeyer1811]

I picked one up on 4/11/2022....it is just a lil' dose of fun....simple and fun and has a taste of power

[@jomesguerra]

did you get the manny or auto?

[@_MacGuffin_]

I don't know if it's just me...probably....but everytime I see the new one I am reminded of KIRBY....in a good way...it's Kawaii...which is actually an interesting thing in a world where sportscars need to be agressive and angry....no, its the Neo-Hachiroku it can be kawaii...it's the 20ies...

[@pininfarina575]

How would you compare the power (how it feels at least) to a 1st gen 86 / BRZ with header + tune? or more?

[@joshkekiwi]

Can't wait to order mine !

[@brianmiller1580]

You know what would make this car great.. Two more cylinders!!

[@Microplasticindulger]

That’s what the new z is for. They are not direct competitors.

[@TheXTCNinja117]

2 more cylinders for $10k more.

[@yasiona2946]

2 more cylinders, nope. A turbo? Nope. Way too many cars have died because they priced them selves out of existence. it would be a lot more if it was a v6 or turbo and there it doesn't make a lot of sense. Cars are expensive now, especially sports cars, this is and the Miata are the only sports cars maybe just maybe some a few 20 somethings could afford.

[@petulantfrenzy5532]

I've never had a reason to go to a Toyota dealer. Now I Do!

[@thirdpedalnirvana]

My heart sinks every time I remember they replaced the real tachometer with a fake one

[@thirdpedalnirvana]

Ok the boxer shape screen is pretty cool. If they added the crank, con rod, and pistons when you got in and you see them animate and spin up and swirl into the tachometer when you actually start the car, I'd forgive the fake tachometer

[@derivinity]

That's the one thing I'm kinda iffy on, I much prefer analog gauges, but I'm sure it'll grow on me

[@thirdpedalnirvana]

@@derivinityI know that lcd screens are lower cost and give you the option of having multiple styles of gauge cluster, so I get why the switch is happening. But I lament it because I am a desk worker with an inactive lifestyle. I wake up and am on my phone before I've even gone to the bathroom. I work in front of a computer. I go home and my entertainment is iPads, TV's, videogames, etc. I don't have a family yet to sit around the dinner table with so we usually eat in front of the TV. My entire life is screens, the only sustained time I escape them is when driving.

[@lepepus]

Agreed, but I'm even more annoyed that they are pipping engine sound through the speakers. Big no no when making such a pure driver's car!

[@Brian-uq6jm]

I drive a current Gen BRZ. The digital gauges are really a turnoff for me on the new one. Also the exterior of my car still looks better to me than the new one. Other than the above minor gripes, I'd like to own the new one some day.

[@varietasVeritas]

They both felt a dramatic stiffness increase.......🤣

[@tsubakichan]

Great to hear that they improved it - now I maybe have a hint of regret buying my Miata ND2? I would have loved to have seen Thomas Hellmanzik's impressions on this new one. Hope that guy is doing well out there!

[@wingedlion17]

I think the nd2 is about the same power because of the light weight

[@tsubakichan]

@@wingedlion17 But less practical as my only car! [I prev. owned a NC, which had more usable space]

[@wingedlion17]

@@tsubakichan you are right, despite loving how the ND drives, I just need something more practical.

[@phattyhales]

Thomas works for Auto Motor und Sport, Germany's biggest car magazine brand. They have several off-shoots.

[@gene978]

Thanks Boys! Perfection as Usual. I don’t use that word often. :)

[@KC-lg8qf]

Great looking car. Well done on the new model.

[@DLPTonyATL]

WhooHoo! I'd love to try out the Miata, but my legs are too damn long. Looks like the 86 is the route to go for just a fun test drive. Nice video!

[@DLPTonyATL]

@@Jaguar-s7f :: chuckling:: @ ‘Go Kart’. Right on. 😜

[@dielaughing73]

I'll just join the chorus congratulating Toyota and Subaru on this incredibly smart and successful move. This is the 86 that will go down in history. May you sell many many of them and be rewarded handsomely for listening and learning . I almost wish I hadn't just bought a 370Z, but am seriously considering making the change in a year or two.

[@Brian-uq6jm]

Enjoy your Z mate. That said, the 86 is a different beast cuz of the weight. They handle so differently on track.

[@dielaughing73]

@@Brian-uq6jm tell me more.. I recently took the Z to the track and was pretty pleased, but maybe the 86 would make a better track toy

[@aroundomaha]

I’m glad they didn’t turbo this. It is a car I’d like to buy and keep for a while, and though turbos are reliable they tend toward additional complexity. I’d also like the opportunity to own a car with a normally aspirated, analog power delivery style.

[@EverydayDriver]

Non turbo cars are becoming incredibly rare, and we’re glad it didn’t gain a turbo as well. Thanks for watching!

[@aroundomaha]

@@EverydayDriver Thanks for being part of my sports car journey. All of the videos and podcasts have helped me figure out that though I love my GTI, I also want this platform for my autocross and driving experience. The everyday, working man’s Porsche?

[@ThoonderG]

On the 1st gen, can't shift around the torque dip in 1st gear? Very true Todd... outside of burnouts/clutch dumps. To be fair, that mainly affects speeds 0-30mph on any tires that are stickier than factory Primacy tires. At which point I'd be yearning for more power as much as any torque (or lack thereof). But then this car isn't a Mustang or WRX. It was actually the video that you guys did with back-to-back blue Subaru BRZ vs. WRX many years ago that help sway me to go down the BRZ route. Thank you guys for that video. Still daily driving my then new 2014 BRZ.

[@aspiratedaloha2946]

I think they killed it with the styling

[@captvalstrax]

As a 2020 GT86 owner (AT) the temptation is there like three years down the line to get an MT GR86.

[@Brian-uq6jm]

Nice one. Hope you get the MT one cuz manual is THE transmission to get for this car. I drive a 2019 BRZ. Test drove the 2019 Auto 86 and that was a totally different car from the manual.