EFAP

[@loopwatcher4087]

"In our pursuit to oink poison, we forgot to drool for a squeaky" -Viktorball Evolution

[@butnobodycame7022]

Can somebody translate this LOL

[@blacktigerpaw1]

​@@butnobodycame7022"In our pursuit to be pigs, we became the BALL"

[@horsejohnson7499]

@@butnobodycame7022 「毒を鳴らすことを追い求めて、キーキーいう音によだれを垂らすことを忘れた」 - ヴィクトルボール進化

[@nont18411]

“Fuck Vic” - The Penguin

[@butnobodycame7022]

@@horsejohnson7499 thank you mate, just what I needed 👍

[@scottk1525]

Just saw a wild comment in chat that's worth repeating: Savika's last line of dialogue was in episode 4. She goes the entire rest of the season without uttering a single word.

[@nont18411]

*Sevika But wow, she was done very dirty

[@Leblos_Hero]

Stupid gambling arm comes at a price, it's like Little Mermaid

[@jonbaxter2254]

@@nont18411 My best girl got handed shit. Absolute shit.

[@jd2792]

Up to the conceil scean I thought warwick killed her in the jail break

[@HeckDescender2184]

I remember seeing that what an actual waste

[@JulianDoe]

Timestamps 0:00 Intro 1:35 Nobody Talks About & Live Action Remakes 4:21 Snow White 5:00 Where We Were & Mel’s Powers 23:19 Summoner’s Rift 26:30 Riktus Burial 28:12 Singed, Viktor & Ambessa 43:47 Grogu’s Pointless Sacrifice & The Aftermath 1:17:41 Caitlyn & Jinx in Jail 1:31:34 Mel, Caitlyn, Jayce & Viktor 1:49:30 Silko 1:52:38 Vi & Jinx in Jail 2:03:10 Mel 2:05:07 Council Meeting 2:15:30 Sex in Jail 2:34:15 Mel v Ambessa 2:48:00 Sharing Juices, Eggs & Memories 3:00:22 Conclusions on Ep 8 + Ep 9 Intro 3:01:52 Jinx Is Suicidal 3:06:40 Ekko Rescue Time-Multiverse Travel 3:24:04 Jayce & the Viktorball 3:38:20 War 3:59:04 Gert’s Death 4:00:28 Ambessa’s Plot Armor 4:08:51 The Battle For Viktorball 4:24:00 The Betrayal & The Mage 4:33:11 Rings Of Power 4:34:18 Jinx, Firelights & Batwoman 4:48:30 Equal Treatment 4:52:18 Attack Of The rebels 4:57:31 Remembering Good Times 5:10:00 Jinx’s Minigun, Mel & The battle Goes On 5:15:15 The Cannon 5:19:55 Defeating The Viktorball 5:22:28 Viktor & Jayce 5:23:07 Art & Best Characters 5:28:15 The Robot Zombies 5:33:27 Mel 5:35:00 Caitlyn vs Ambessa: Round 1 5:39:30 Dueltime 5:47:22 Free Will 5:54:09 Caitlyn Vs Ambessa: Round 2 6:02:58 Matricide 6:11:11 Survivors 6:15:44 Mauler vs The Storm 6:23:05 Warwick vs Girls 6:24:29 Zero G Chase 6:26:00 The Ekko’s Problem 6:27:54 Viktor & Jayce 6:40:20 Ekko, The Z-Drive & How To Save the Day 6:46:33 A Compelling Hug 6:48:18 Time Travelling 6:55:38 A Vaporizing Hug 6:57:54 It’s About Family 7:03:04 Aftermath Of The Victory 7:07:57 Ekko 7:13:37 The Council 7:18:48 Singed & Oriana 7:21:19 Swain, Mel & The Noxians, 7:23:13 Caitlyn 7:28:21 Analysing Jinx 7:41:02 Character Disservice & Screentime 7:44:21 The Defence 7:52:07 The Writer 7:57:46 The Voice Actor 8:01:41 The Creator 8:20:30 The Article 8:25:27 The Tweets 8:36:35 Conclusions 8:42:20 MVP 8:48:00 Investment in Future League Of Legends Shows 8:49:00 Singed in the game 8:51:00 Closing

[@soumyadeepbanerjee964]

W😮W

[@EnricoMatassaVenture]

🫡

[@MegaSpideyman]

@@JulianDoe Thanks very much for always doing this.

[@Dr.Pelican-bw2zs]

Reading “Warwick vs Girls” is hilarious regardless of the presence or absence of context 😂

[@jonbaxter2254]

Hero

[@GeraltofRivia22]

Singed, the guy responsible for so much of the death and suffering in the show, being the only one to get a happy ending is really funny to me.

[@nont18411]

Heimerdinger: Did everything right 👉🏼 Died horribly Singed: Committing war crimes after war crimes 👉🏼 Gets everything he wants without consequences In a good show, like the Penguin or the first 4 seasons of Game of Thrones, this could be a meaningful social commentary about the corruption in a system and how a guy managed to game it to his advantage, but I don’t think Arcane has that much self-awareness.

[@AerynWalk]

@@nont18411 Heimerdinger died even multiple times... fck these writers! I usually liked Singe as Character but his "Plan´s" didnt made any sense at all and they only turned out in favor because the writers wanted it so instead of logical plot threads

[@An_Actual_Rat]

​@@nont18411Speaking of The Penguin, there's the kinda subtle implementation of the batsignal in the distance, signaling that despite the otherwise depressing ending, the bad guy will still be held accoutable in the end.

[@taddad2641]

@@nont18411 except it sorta is good commentary. also heimerdinger is about as dead as jinx is honestly. he didn't die he vanished. and that might not be the only HIM anymoer. look back at the scene where everythign was going all abstract. His head abstracted into a mass of eyes, and the eyes... started appearing in the background. What sets heimerdinger apart from jayce and echo is that he is actually a magical being. he raected differently cause of that magic. and it seems miplied that he had did things deliberately there. setting stuff up and we may see him again later.

[@marodonthemorone]

it means the writing is realistic, bad guys usually get what they want

[@kunsagigyula8091]

I remember watching the making of the first season where the creators spoke about how they almost abandoned the project after the first year because the writing was terrible. Instead they invited real writers who rewrote the story from scratch… I think this is how season 1 would have looked if they didn’t rewrite it.

[@DianaDonineaux]

can you give put the link please ?

[@kunsagigyula8091]

@@DianaDonineaux just type "making of arcane" here and you will get a list. It's in one of those videos. A great making of series by the way.

[@kunsagigyula8091]

​@@DianaDonineaux Arcane Bridging the Rift part 2. It's here on youtube

[@Of_infinite_Faith]

​@@kunsagigyula8091 linke took so much credit for the first season's success only to reveal himself as a shitty writer in s2. Poetry

[@dfddsfer4tv4g4b]

The actual casualties of Jinx's rocket were the writers of the first season

[@jonbaxter2254]

That should have been the end, no way back for Jinx. She even sat down in the chair at the end... But I guess, fuck me for trying.

[@PirateKingBoros]

@@jonbaxter2254Wait were you a writer???

[@jeloneq7]

@@jonbaxter2254 WHAAAAAAAT?

[@Dat_Jonx]

@@jonbaxter2254 I see few ways and it's definitely can't be done in few episodes.

[@bryannorton8945]

And the friends we made along the way

[@ProxyDoug]

Singed is the kind of guy who bought a bunch of bitcoin when it was really low as a joke

[@TheRetroRenegade]

That or GameStop stock during the pandemic.

[@jonbaxter2254]

And sold them at $1mil, all to buy a nice plot of land for his robo-child.

[@comeatmebro8120]

@@TheRetroRenegade "Mr. Singed, why did you sell all of your GameStop stock so soon? We could've gone to the moon!" Singed: "Greed is the prime enemy of man"

[@dracvich]

Heimerdinger meanwhile sold bitcoin when it was at $5k thinking it would never get higher after many hours of research

[@bbjygm]

​​@@dracvichand still made it out with a nice chunk of change and peace of mind

[@Church7624]

“Singed why did you build a fucking Halo ring?” “To save my daughter.” *Stares*

[@jonbaxter2254]

Singed destroys countless civilisations and dooms the galaxy. Still leaves safely with his daughter. Based.

[@nont18411]

@@jonbaxter2254 Vader is such a cuck for dying doing the same thing. Singed is the real chad for going out unscathed.

[@jonbaxter2254]

@@nont18411 Common Singed W

[@nont18411]

@@jonbaxter2254 I think the show kinda forgot to punish him.

[@tuskinradar8688]

Imagine Punished Singed. Good-ness.

[@Tiltigo]

"They made Maddie evil out of nowhere to not make you feel bad for her when Caitlyn cheated on her" is so fucking true. Season 1 is so above this cheap shit it's not even funny.

[@HeckDescender2184]

Yeah there were no hints whatsoever about her being evil. But I laughed so much when she died like it was actually really funny and really cool. Love how its the thumbnail for this vid HAHAHA

[@Maotrix-RandomGameStuff]

@@HeckDescender2184there were hints but they were done poorly.

[@HeckDescender2184]

@@Maotrix-RandomGameStuff oh for real? I defo didn't notice ahah what were they?

[@jd2792]

​​@@HeckDescender2184 ebessa tells catlin to not have presonal connection with work and thats after of her talking with maddie

[@Maotrix-RandomGameStuff]

@@HeckDescender2184 when Ambessa told cait to not have personal entanglements in ep4. I’m ep 9 when Maddie was listening in to vi and caits conversation, also when cait says ambessa can’t be negotiated with and The camera focuses on Maddie’s x presión which is kinda suspicious. I mean there probably are more clues but the writers didn’t make it obvious so it seems random. Still for me it was a weak twist, but oh well I still enjoyed the season overall but s1 solos and is much much better, so yeah this season is def a downgrade.

[@ThePoisonSteel]

Maddie's trickshot was the best scene of the whole season, peak cinema right there.

[@ElJelda]

I was already laughing when they revealed her as a traitor. Then she got pinballed and I lost it completely.

[@TheRetroRenegade]

Someone should make a Super Smash Bros Melee Target edit of that. “A New Record!”

[@jonbaxter2254]

I'd like to think the last thing that went through her brain, besdies the bullet, was the misery.

[@HeckDescender2184]

​@@ElJelda same I laughed so much it was genuinely so funny. Considering how painfully awful this season had been I needed a good laugh

[@19Ledor]

@ElJelda The moment they made her Caitlyn’s GF everyone knew she was either gone die tragically or be a traitor and die. But in a way they did outdo themselves with that trick shoot 😆

[@HeckDescender2184]

So when Jayce chooses to disappear with Viktor at the end I like to think that he has now transcended to an all knowing being where he now has unlimited power to delete as many kids as possible!

[@carloz3273]

He's deleting saw woman's son (i think her name is Renni) from every timeline 😂😂

[@HeckDescender2184]

@carloz3273 HAHAHAHA I LOVE THAT YES! His one true purpose - "Glorious Deletion!"

[@RaptorRockDrakeJesus]

I've seen the fan art and it's just ascension fucking

[@Of_infinite_Faith]

​@@HeckDescender2184 best thing he did this season was cause Isha to kill herself. I hated that kid

[@HeckDescender2184]

@@RaptorRockDrakeJesus oh goodness no!

[@wolfieflame2886]

1:25:16 Imagine if when the US capture Osama Bin Laden and hold him captive in an jail cell, the first thing he says is “I didn’t know your people were going to be in those towers and planes“. I can’t believe that came out of Jinx’s mouth, what were the writers thinking here?

[@nont18411]

Vi: “You should stop calling her a terrorist.”

[@christophergirardi8145]

Drowning Silco: "you gotta do better council members! You gotta step up!"

[@crassuscorax7731]

For an even more specific tismic reference: "Yes, filthy Americans, I did it. But, in my defense, I didn't know leading al-Q counter-terror investigator John P. O'Neill retired from govt and became head of security at the World Trade Center just months beforehand. I didn't mean to hit YOUR guy, just the rest of them!"

[@silverscorpio24]

@@wolfieflame2886 BeCaUsE sHe'S aCtUaLlY GOOOOOD yOu jUsT dOn'T uNdErStAnD mEdIa LiTeRaCy!!

[@jonbaxter2254]

Then he gets a groovy makeover.

[@predatorasap5040]

Arcane season 2 is like reuniting with one of your best friends only to find them as a Carcass being eaten by rats under a bridge

[@rollrcoastrbacon2725]

_Dark…_

[@KelShu]

*Jinx* : I didn’t know your mom was there. This line from her was garbage. No only does it not change anything considering that she still targeted the Council, but she was targeting Caitlyn personally at the time, so there’s a good chance that she would have done it because she knew.

[@Nova_2022]

i disliked vi switching sides because of her killing caits mom though ngl. I feel like vi should know that powder is not herself and she was going through a really bad manic break, and cait wasnt helping. Shes going against all of her people because her sister targeted the council that put her people in the situation theyre in? I dont know it just felt like they built up that vi was trying to find and help jinx, rather than turn against her?

[@albertocruzado2899]

​@@Nova_2022i mean, because of the game we knew Vi would be an Enforcer. And they had the path written: Zaun is a hellhole controlled by Silcoist and Jinx, "the monster she created", its the freaking Joker and its a danger to everyone at the end of s1. I could have believed Vi eventually following that path, but they needed to hammer in that there was no place for her in Zaun. No after so many years. They had the blueprint in season 1 to develop in 2. Vi is already at odds with Zaun current status quo and already considers herself responsable of Jinx. Vi can end up deciding "Jinx is my responsability, and the only group that has power to stop her and improve Zaun conditions under Silco's flag is the Enforcers, ironically enough". But as i say, that only works if it is urgent, a necessary sacrifice.

[@NHAlexNH]

I interpreted that line as Jinx's way of apologising to Cait, she's saying it wouldn't have made a difference but I'm sorry anyway

[@TheRetroRenegade]

@@KelShu it’s hard to believe she didn’t know Caitlyn’s mother was a council member. Maybe she didn’t know for sure if the council was in session when she blew it up… but that’s still shaky. I think the point is that she didn’t care if it would affect Caitlyn or if it would spark a war between Zaun and Piltover, she just did it to hurt the people that put her in her position (in her eyes) while driving an inconsolable wedge between her and Vi (“…here’s to the new us”) But her saying this to Caitlyn doesn’t really SAY anything… unless she’s trying to convey that it was nothing personal, but everyone who remembers Season 1 knows thats ridiculous!

[@professormallard4348]

To provide the most generous read I can, I don't think the line has to be terrible. Given who the characters are at that moment, regardless of how stupid it is that they got there, I think it can serve as Jinx trying to at least offer to Cait that her attack on the council wasn't personal to Cait. Would it have been if she had known her mother was there? Probably. But as the show is presented it wasn't about Cait, it was about the council. The characters as they are in that scene have reason to care that such a line is said. Jinx isn't sorry for doing it, she doesn't regret it, but she seemingly is past her burning hatred of Cait so if nothing else she can offer that little bit of solace. Cait would care because she is tired of the hatred as dumb as that is, and she has complicated feelings about Jinx at this point, feeling that she has become as awful a person as her in the pursuit of her, and knowing that the pain caused by Jinx, that vision of laughing mockery as she kills her mother, isn't quite reality. She's been haunted by the vision of Jinx stealing her mother from her in a very personal way, in very personal intent, but that isn't the case. In something better written that could've been very meaningful. In this garbage it isn't, but the idea of that line from two people who have been enemies for so long can work.

[@samkaranja5709]

Singed plan to save his daughter Step 1: create Shimmer Step 2: profit for years on drug epidemic Step 3: make cyborg zombie werewolf Step 4: showcase warwick to Ambessa to get more resources, somehow convince Caitlyn not to shoot me in the head when I explain step 1-3 Step 5: combine werewolf blood with Viktor to make a god that will bring the dead back to life as robots thus curing death Step 6: let someone else handle the robot apocalypse Step 7: ??? Step 8: when all the other robots die, my robot daughter will survive

[@nont18411]

Smart investment here

[@stevenclouds]

It was all well deserved 😂

[@matthewcollins4773]

Singed knew how to get a happy ending: be consistently a presence in the show, too important to be forgotten, but not a protagonist (so no tragic sacrifice or anything) and only tangentially related to any of the plots, yet paradoxically instrumental to all of them. He played the system perfectly to come in at the end and get what he wanted. I applaud his meta awareness.

[@nont18411]

@@matthewcollins4773 That sounds like a genius scheme by Singed. While in fact, the showrunners just forgot to give him a punishment.

[@DaDude2011]

Robot daughter: Oriana

[@hieronymus4120]

Nothing tops the complete annihilation (literally and figuratively) of Viktor, Jayce, Heimerdinger, and the hextech storyline for me. S1 used these characters and concepts to produce such a thoughtful, nuanced depiction of the ethics of technology and scientific progress -- Too quickly, too slowly? Too much participation in war and government, too little? Everyone made valid points, and no position felt undeserved or unreasonable. We saw the good and bad effects of each ethical position, and those effects were logical and relevant to the actual human condition. Now S2 would apparently have us believe that hextech is plainly evil because it summons a gooey orb that destroys the world. Great.

[@blacktigerpaw1]

Best part? Jayce and Viktor died for absolutely nothing because Hextech just goes to another family and Hextech crystals can still be found.

[@hieronymus4120]

@@blacktigerpaw1 Plus, everyone would have been better off if either Viktor or Jayce had been allowed to commit suicide in S1.

[@lmahu6627]

It's pretty funny to me how quickly they treated Hextech like how the world saw nuclear energy during the Cold War-era but even more evil.

[@Vario69]

It was set up in season 1 multiple times how destructive and dangerous magic is in the world of Runeterra. It was heading that direction from the start. Please pay attention

[@lmahu6627]

@@Vario69 Except magic is used extensively in Runeterra, by deities and mortals alike. How the hell did you get to that conclusion about a show based on a game that has several magic users, all with diverse uses, from different regions in the lore? The Hextech crystals were established as a neutral energy source that can be used for good and bad like the ones in the game, but they just changed it to something malevolent outright in the second season so they can get to this acid trip of a finale. How about you stop trying to be a contrarian and a blind consumer, defending a show that has extensively dipped in the quality of writing? You have over a hundred comments in this channel, that's pathetic.

[@epicdotpngnotfound8857]

Fringy should become The Frinch every year for christmas going forward

[@spinyhedgie]

With Rags as Max, Mauler as the Narrator, and Metal as Cindy Lou Who

[@silverscorpio24]

This attitide that animated projects are "cartoons" and are not as cool or breathtaking or worth anyone's time and have to be replaced with "live action" has to stop. I absolutely hate that mindset.

[@nont18411]

And when someone actually took it seriously, they just got fucked over by the studio. Case in point: Transformers One.

[@carmandirda]

I had to fight against that mindset to convince my family to watch Arcane season 1. They adore it now. Shame this season ruined it, but they at least compared it to other shows they loved being ruined by their studio and don't call it a stupid cartoon anymore.

[@dracvich]

@@nont18411 I'm still so bummed that we won't get a Transformers Two (or however they would name the sequel) A War on Cybertron with that animation style would've been exquisite, but alas the studio thought the film would still reap in hundreds of millions of dollars in a week with little to no marketing

[@Gloomy_Knight-dw5pm]

Remember when Vi and Ekko were friends? Apparently the creators forgot that because they don't have a single conversation in S2. 😂

[@gorade1901]

But Jinx and Ekko? Best buds, possibly lovers even. Oh and Vi and Jinx? Water under the bridge, c'mere he's your dad too.

[@jonbaxter2254]

@@gorade1901 I know she blew up your house and tried to kill your girlfriend, but we pals now

[@silverprimus321boi9]

​@@gorade1901the only real reason i can see ekko and jinx ending up in such a strange tangle is because runeterra lore states that ekko had a crush on powder, till she lost her mind and became jinx. And because arcane has now been canonized, they tried to "align" with that, while simultaneously altering viktor irreversibly (hes no longer a machine guy, but a magic guy with that fucking hex core.) If the writers wished to actually make this idea of theirs work, they would A: Need time, which they dont have, and B: they would have to cut out grogu-I mean isha. She serves as the redemption catalyst, and is so pointless. If you wanted to try and have a "redemption" arc of sorts for jinx, then there should've been more emphasis on the existing relationship between jinx and ekko. What's there between each other? What do they want out of each other? Instead we get ekko being jumped into a literal fanfic AU and dancing with a powder that he doesnt know at all. If they wanted to, the writers could have had ekkos attempts at communication with jinx be very slow and filled with setbacks. The AU would've been a much stronger source of temptation for him, a perfect world, until he looks at AU powder and realises that's not really the person he loves. It's what the other version loves. And as for jinx, well fuck, it would've made ekko talking her out of suicide have much more impact, and would've been on her mind a lot stronger (considering her own sister decided to go fuvk her ex while she was about to blow herself up.)

[@Malsagov]

I like how Mauler consistently calls Isha "Grogu", I even had to look up her name for this comment

[@wadenbeisser2491]

Watching it i thought Isha would turn out to be Zeri. But she turned out to be exploded.

[@juanangelmontemayor7889]

@@wadenbeisser2491 Thought she would be Zeri, came out as Ziggs.

[@rollrcoastrbacon2725]

Hate how the name links me to various “Cutest Grogu moments” clips. What a folly Star Wars has become…

[@romainf3780]

The fact that Grogu has the 6th most screen time of all characters tell you everything you need to know about how Season 2 handled its characters. *Edit: and she manages to do so in only six episodes. Truly impressive.

[@gorade1901]

What's even more impressive is just how little they characterized her in that time. You could just actually replace her character with a dog, with standard fictional dog cognisance rules, and keep her entire characterization in tact.

[@RaptorRockDrakeJesus]

Literally all the new characters they add in season 2 don't talk! The only one I could say that got the most screen time was Maddie, but even then that was ruined. Green guy doesn't say a word and barely does the big guy

[@Of_infinite_Faith]

​@@gorade1901 True

[@rollrcoastrbacon2725]

Part of me is still reeling from the idea that she (a literal child) took her life in an explosion engulfing Vi, Caitlyn, Jinx, Ambessa, hundreds of noxians and Vander-wick but it does nothing for the actual stakes and only Jinx acknowledges that she’s gone

[@lmahu6627]

​@@RaptorRockDrakeJesus Blander does say some lines, but it's mostly in his payoff scene, the one in which Vi mistakes him for Vander.

[@zonbichaos5844]

I used to think everybody wants to be my enemy, but now I realise they are droolin' for a squeaky.

[@malzo1701]

Vi not being there because she was busy scissoring gave me fear flashes of TLOU2

[@jonbaxter2254]

Oh shoot, you're right haha

[@nont18411]

Prepare for it then next year. Season 2 is coming.

[@llamawearingsombrero6764]

It’s almost like poor writing repeats itself

[@grAnita-]

The shell shock I felt when the sex scene in the cell played out was truly remarkable; I’m not joking when I say that I was paralyzed in disbelief

[@pavelavtanski6538]

Droolin for a squeaky is the only thing in life that twists my tipples.

[@jonbaxter2254]

@@pavelavtanski6538 I hate how I laughed

[@duchessofdementia]

i love the evolution of this meme

[@AimlessSavant]

I can't believe you oinked in my squeaky and ate it all up.

[@bigadam]

So many layers to this meme. Like an Ogre

[@DelusionalDunmer]

Droolin for a squeaky is the only thing in life that oinks poison in my ears

[@bass-dc9175]

"And Ekko can not go too far, because if he does, it will blow up heimerdinger" The fact that this is, unexagerated, completely acurate (As in: It SPECIFICALLY blows up Heimerdinger) is ... just a microcosm of the quality of this seasons writing.

[@stock6600]

I like to think of it as a rule of nature in a world of Arcane. Like, if you drop a thing, it falls down. If you heat wood, it catches on fire. If you go back in time more than 4 seconds, it blows up a Heimerdinger. Unavoidable, really. Simple physics.

[@bc-cu4on]

​@@stock6600 Well, isn't Heimerdinger the oldest person around in Piltover & Zaun? I could easily see this as some time god's grudge against those who won't die, with time powers automatically targetting the oldest person in range for deletion.

[@bass-dc9175]

@bc-cu4on Ah yes, we all thought it was just bad writing, but in reality it was Zilian default dancing on Heimerdinger for messing with time. Clearly him tossing time bombs while hittin' the griddy is the correct interpretation. (All jokes aside: I probably could see them pull such a ... deus ex machina explanation out of their backside ... damn. How far we have fallen from Season 1 ...)

[@lmahu6627]

​@@bass-dc9175 Zilean might be janky but at least he's got the moves.

[@cobby407]

At least we know that Maddie enjoyed Caitlyn’s warmth.

[@djdeadbeat4380]

I think most people would

[@nont18411]

But she still got cucked tho

[@venomsnake4042]

"But you said you can cure death?" "IT WAS A COLLOQUILISM!"

[@djdeadbeat4380]

What started as a surprising masterpiece turned into a clown show in the span of only two seasons/ eighteen episodes. That has to be some kind of record.

[@Daxinar]

"It BROKE new GROUND!!!" ...Yeah, fuck this season.

[@jonbaxter2254]

Nah, series 1 is still goated. Just leave it at there...

[@za-ir5ni]

​@@DaxinarStay mad. Most people love it.

[@Daxinar]

@@za-ir5ni If that's true, then that's fine. Wouldn't change how I feel about it. It's a mess, man. So many plot threads just thrown to the wayside. Almost nobody acts in character or even like a normal person. The finale was a bunch of nonsense built on matchsticks. If you are part of the supposed majority that loves this show, can you tell me why?

[@RaptorRockDrakeJesus]

​@Daxinar my coworker was telling me this was the best "war" he's seen since lord of the rings. He has ocd so I'm assuming his brain just filled in all those rushed cuts from the last episode XD. It is fascinating how many ppl will watch a show blindly

[@Gloomy_Knight-dw5pm]

Remember when Jinx was a mass murdering terrorist? Yeah, apparently Christian and Alex thought it was okay to give her an unearned redemption arc after that. 😜

[@Maotrix-RandomGameStuff]

You know there are plenty of people who have done terrible acts and then redeem themselves right?

[@albertocruzado2899]

​​@@Maotrix-RandomGameStuffThats not the point. "Unearned" he said. Which taking into account that s1 dedicated its time to make her Piltover's Joker: nihilistic, detached and hating the entire world, literally commiting the worst act of terrorism in the city's history to spite the authorities she hated for Silco's death and her sister at the same time, yes, if you want to move her pass that you need to earn it. Its the type of thing that should shadow a character forever, even when the character has come to reject that decision.

[@Hitman-cq2yw]

@@Maotrix-RandomGameStuff As much as I loved Jinx in season 1, she hasn't done shit to redeem herself in season 2, but somehow Zaun sees her as a hero, Caitlyn forgives her for some reason and Ekko forgives her, just because she saw a version of her, that had a completely different life and is an entirely different person. Absolute bullshit.

[@Maotrix-RandomGameStuff]

@@Hitman-cq2yw I agree an disagree, she isn’t inherently redeemed. But yeah I don’t want to sit and discuss this again. Still each has their opinions.

[@Hitman-cq2yw]

@@Maotrix-RandomGameStuff That's not an opinion, but a fact. Caitlyn should hate Jinx for killing her mother and killing many others. Same with Ekko. 7 years of fighting, dozens of firelights killed specifically by her, while she also was showing signs of enjoying the process. Ekko, who is known for never killing anyone, was drawn so enraged by her, that he actually almost killed her. Not saying that these 2 should have never forgiven her, but then again, she should have done quite a lot of good work, to have them consider forgiving her. And maybe in like 10-20 years, they will finally heal and accept her. What we got instead, is everyone forgiving her, just because.

[@Hellsbest1986]

Maddies Trickshot is a peak metaphor of this seasons writing

[@rollrcoastrbacon2725]

It’s literal magic and it still feels like they cheated. And I feel barely anything when Maddie dies because she’s barely a character

[@SETHthegodofchaos]

lmao

[@Dr.Mandingo]

Ironically, the writers decided to use a lot of plot armor to protect their champions in the game when in the end they're the ones who ultimately assassinated them as characters with their writing

[@samwallaceart288]

Ironic.

[@MasterDecoy1W]

Yeah, season 1 was such a mess with how they ruined so much. :P

[@lmahu6627]

​@@MasterDecoy1W You typed the wrong number or something? Season 1 had more consistent characterization for the characteds with their counterparts in the game, just less wacky to fit the tone of the story.

[@MasterDecoy1W]

@@lmahu6627 Cope. They literally rewrote Viktor from the ground up. Caitlyn has none of her confidence, charm, or intelligence. The "characters" of Piltover and Zaun have been fashioned from whole-fucking-cloth. Jinx is not "toned down", her melodramatic story is a complete inversion of her game counterpart. Vi would never work for Piltover with her backstory. From the opening scene of season 1, they told you they don't give a fuck about League's lore.

[@MasterDecoy1W]

@@lmahu6627 They literally rewrote Viktor from the ground up. Caitlyn has none of her confidence, charm, or intelligence. The "character" of Piltover and Zaun has been spun from whole-cloth. Jinx is not "toned down", her melodramatic and serious character is a complete inversion of her game counterpart. Vi would never work for Piltover with her backstory. From the opening scene of season 1, they told you this is their story and they don't care about the original material.

[@Martinmd12-zt7vu]

As a wise man once said, “My disappointment is immeasurable and my day is ruined.”

[@jonbaxter2254]

He also said, "Gotta dip it in the sawce..."

[@crimsonpotemkin]

"You were never broken Viktor" Flashback to season 1 when Viktor was literally dying of cancer with maybe a couple of weeks left.

[@grAnita-]

“There is beauty in imperfections” said the guy whit healt, status and a girlfriend to Viktor of all people actually made me laugh so hard ngl

[@blacktigerpaw1]

​@grAnita-I still get angry at that speech. "Yeah you shouldn't have tried curing your disease imperfections make you beautiful uwu"

[@grAnita-]

@ truly a stunning and mature writing this second season uh

[@KelShu]

What if Maddie saw Caitlyn and Vi together in the jail cell? *Maddie* : Welp, time to call Ambessa.

[@nont18411]

#MaddieDidNothingWrong

[@nhagan001]

I didn’t think “awkward times to have sex” would be so prevalent in Arcane Season 2, but it happened a shocking amount.

[@HeckDescender2184]

Ahaha could start a nickel collection

[@my2randomcents]

Wait, who else had sex?

[@taddad2641]

............ wasn't there only like, 2 sex scenes?

[@nhagan001]

@@justincruz5720 Caityln hooking up with May (Mei? Is that her name?) after their disastrous breakup. Then you’ve got the implications of AO world Vander and Silco.

[@jackchipper7458]

Squeakness aside, this been a rough year for all media forms, I hope I’m not in the oink side of the history

[@jonbaxter2254]

We got Penguin, unexpectedly, knocking it out of the park.

[@GeraltofRivia22]

Yeah, video games were so trash this year. Thankfully they flopped hard from Concord to Veilguard.

[@jonbaxter2254]

@@GeraltofRivia22 Avowed next

[@kalecraft8906]

​@@GeraltofRivia22FF7 Rebirth, Metaphor, Helldivers, Silent Hill 2 Remake, Space Marine, P3 Reload, Black Myth, Unicorn Overlord, Dragons Dogma, Tekken 8, DLC for several great games and rerelease of SMT5, and I just spent all weekend loving Path of Exile 2. Maybe you just don't play enough good video games

[@Dutchyman]

​@@GeraltofRivia22Every single year is full of turds and diamonds when it comes to videogames. I don't get why people ever say that a year has been bad for gaming. There hasn't been a bad one in my experience.

[@ento]

Sevika on the council is even worse than you think because she's sitting on the Kiramman chair, implying that Caitlyn gave her seat to Sevika. So now one of the oldest, most venerated families of the city is without representation in the governing body. The Kirammans (who made the ventilation system) would have actually had the clout, history, and position to argue forcibly for Zaun's wellbeing but have been replaced with an ineffectual symbolic figurehead.

[@DianaDonineaux]

It is even worse because Sevika wanted an independant Zaun .

[@Of_infinite_Faith]

Also who's gonna carry the legacy of the kirammans?? Cait is not having babies so what's gonna happen?

[@ElJelda]

Oh yeah, true. I wonder what Cait's father would think about it. That is if he hadn't evaporated of course.

[@a.r.h9919]

​​​@@Of_infinite_Faiththe bloodline dies unless she gets some insemination from say, Jayce or someone like that.. Or you know doing the classic adoption and "muh name is Rey Skywalker" which still is as good as dead

[@a.r.h9919]

​@@Of_infinite_FaithI feel bad for the kiramman parents man

[@angrynapolean3820]

Arcane season 1 was amazing. Arcane season 2 act 1 was bad. Act 2 was terrible. Act 3 was so bad that it actually damaged season 1. IMO, I have no interest in other League stuff because of how bad season 2 fumbled everything.

[@myplace4play]

Act 2 already damaged s1 by retconing Silco and Vander

[@xentiment6581]

Its getting star wars treatment. Only watching after i watch the efap for it and i like what i see.

[@serviusm9523]

Looks like the writers were more interested in shipping, sex and just getting to point X as it shows. It was a chore to get through season 2.

[@TheNoonish]

The Black Rose shit is just blatant. It’s not servicing the greater story or characters from this season, it’s there for a new hero reveal and a tease for the next show. If this show had just remained grounded and stuck to the Zaun/Piltover conflict, that would have been less obnoxious, to tease the bigger conflict coming later. But with the insane world-ending stakes of this season, teasing the next big conflict is very hollow.

[@jonbaxter2254]

@@serviusm9523 I don't imagine I'll ever rematch this, but series 1 I go back to all the time

[@blacktigerpaw1]

I cannot stress enough how I hate what was done to Viktor. He has absolutely *zero agency.* None. His entire existence revolves around Jayce, and the Mage Viktor plot means that his alternate self kept dooming timelines for that infamous "only you can show me this" scene. Of course, it implies all variables must be the same, such as: - Ekko giving Vi the tip to Jayce's apartment - Vi and her crew robbing Jayce's apartment - Jayce's trial going the same way - Jinx bombing the Council Etc etc. Linke already got into trouble by saying Viktor and Jayce were not romantically involved, and this led to shippers referencing animators (they don't specify which ones) that said the opposite. Of course, that ending with the forehead touch (they weren't actually touching) shouldn't have happened. Viktor should have followed his League lore via augmentation, and Jayce remain the Defender of Tomorrow. Now they're gone and Viktor has a hideous rework. Don't get me started on Jayce's tone deaf "You're beautiful" speech, because it sounds absolutely f.ucking privileged. Viktor was dying and determined to prevent his death, and Jayce just stands there and tells him to accept the very thing that was killing him? FOH Jayce. The Mage Viktor plot is r.etarded as hell. It strips both characters of agency and reduced it to ship bait (Jayce and Viktor only get together because of Ekko, without him they don't meet at all). Its just so goddamned stupid.

[@theirDevil]

It's clear the writers were trying to invoke Sky's words from season 1, but Sky's love of Viktor was born from his continuous determination to improve the lives of everyone around him. His whole arc in season 1 was about his growing obsession with preserving his own life is causing him to experiment with a dangerous and deadly power which ultimately hurts the people around him. Jayce's lines in season 2 show the writers do not understand their own work. Jayce shouldn't stress Viktor's imperfections as what makes him great, he should have stressed his commitment to improving the lives around him, the lives he is currently destroying.

[@blacktigerpaw1]

@@theirDevil Exactly. He should have appealed to his unending drive to improve himself and others, and stressed the importance of choice - as Viktor told him in S1. However, people just focus on the 'Only *you* could show me this* line, even when it's actually *Ekko* that puts them together. This means Mage Viktor would have accounted for Ekko as a variable in every timeline. Ugh. It just angers me thinking about how stupid it is. Viktor never became the Machine Herald, and now his VGU is 'Arcane Herald', and reduces him to be a generic, redundant mage. The horror.

[@theirDevil]

@@blacktigerpaw1 Everything to do with the time travel / AU episode is incredible cringe, but then again, so is everything in this godforsaken season. I feel we've all been robbed of the sequel Arcane season 1 deserved, of the characters we loved, of the potential for future quality shows. But LoL Viktor fans have definitely been violated the most. More so than any other terrible (cash grab) skin, Viktor fans are having their whole character stolen from them. I think that is legitimately criminal.

[@blacktigerpaw1]

​@@theirDevildon't get me started. I legit start crying at the loss of our Machine Herald. He lost his entire identity and character.

[@jd2792]

dosent help there is no explantion why old victor didnt just tell young victor to call quits with the end of the world why do you even need jayce and if it still end with there deaths then why not just let jayce die which would mean young victor would die without any way of knowing of hextech

[@androidd4478]

Arcane Season 2. To quote Imagine Dragons, “Oh, the misery.”

[@defrostedrobot77]

We should have had Rags read the lyrics for Enemy

[@androidd4478]

It would have brought everything full circle.

[@hasanthedumb5340]

The writers want to be our enemy

[@jonbaxter2254]

@@defrostedrobot77 In his deadpan cadence.

[@defrostedrobot77]

@@jonbaxter2254 exactly

[@eugenekrabs6400]

How many times does Vander “die” this season?

[@comeatmebro8120]

Yes

[@HeckDescender2184]

Like maybe 3 at least?

[@mrmcawesome9746]

He dies in season 1, then comes back as Warwick. Then _Warwick_ dies and we have Vanderwick, then Vanderwick gets exploded and dies (but he's still alive), only to get hooked up to Viktor and die, leaving Robotwick, who then "dies" from a big fall and a Jinx grenade. We can therefore conclude Vander obviously hasn't died yet, and will be back in Mel Medarda: An Arcane Story for his actual tragic death.

[@HeckDescender2184]

@@mrmcawesome9746 ahahah ty for the breakdown, yes there is probably some Vander memories in there somewhere for his ultimate spiritual death

[@TheRetroRenegade]

Christian Linke, my sweet, you were right about this show making me feel more than any other animated show. “Great! How did it make you feel?” Like I wanted it to be over.

[@ephraimwinslow]

This was the show that proved to me that you should never invest emotionally in a TV show that hasn't run its course yet. Because as of Arcane S2? I now know that I can literally never trust an ongoing one to stay good.

[@bc-cu4on]

​@@ephraimwinslowGame of Thrones? Dexter?

[@ephraimwinslow]

Those took a long while to hit the point of no return. This took ONE season to go from 100 back to 0.

[@TheRetroRenegade]

@@ephraimwinslow Dude, same...... I feel like Ralphie in A Christmas Story after he solved the decoder ring... "I went out to face the world again... wiser..."

[@ephraimwinslow]

@@TheRetroRenegade That quote has been running through my head more and more lately... (Probably a good thing on balance long term but holy PHOQUE it sucks short term. lol)

[@void735]

Me season 1: were is my Camille!? Why have you just erased her from being in the show!? She better show up reworked lore wise! Me season 2: I understand now, you were wise to stay away my love.

[@blacktigerpaw1]

The best part is that allegedly she's the one who continues Hextech...meaning Jayce and Viktor died for nothing LMAO

[@jonbaxter2254]

She was returning video tapes.

[@carmandirda]

​@@blacktigerpaw1jfc

[@blacktigerpaw1]

@@carmandirda Yup. All that sacrifice for the cycle to continue LMAO

[@aqua96870]

What Could Have Been has never been more relevant

[@jonbaxter2254]

@aqua96870 the show ended with Jinx blowing up parliament

[@rollrcoastrbacon2725]

Neither has Enemy. Especially for good ol’ Christian Linke

[@SETHthegodofchaos]

@@jonbaxter2254 who know the rocket also bombed the writers room

[@tuskinradar8688]

The genuine 2 songs per episode Mando style is wild to see. Oh the misery, what could have been.

[@HectorLopez0217]

If you don’t want me at my 🧛‍♀️ You don’t deserve me at my 🧁

[@jonbaxter2254]

I hate how I understand all this.

[@Jdudec367]

Is that a EDP4445 joke I see?

[@quocanngo6850]

It's a reference to how Caitlyn somehow becomes this brooding dictator to being a posh piltovan sheriff (according to this show anyways) @Jdudec367

[@Jdudec367]

@@quocanngo6850 Oh nevermind then lol

[@praeamble]

"Everything is just sort of happening." Mauler sums up the entire season.

[@The_Truth_Logic]

This season… will never erase what season 1 was.

[@Daxinar]

Most definitely, still one of the best 9 episodes of TV ever.

[@jonbaxter2254]

Arcane series 1 I still count as close to perfect.

[@DanielMatthew89]

That's why I'm not overly mad

[@albertocruzado2899]

One of those moments where making fanfiction in your mind works better than the official continuation.

[@jonbaxter2254]

@@albertocruzado2899 Shoot man, I've read some fantastic fanfics that are better than actual sequels from the studio.

[@Martijn_Steinpatz]

Well, that was depressing. Now I can pretend season 2 never happened.

[@grAnita-]

Season two? I though that was a fan fiction

[@SETHthegodofchaos]

@grAnita- it actually is

[@grAnita-]

@@SETHthegodofchaos oh thank God! I was beginning to think season two actually happened

[@Of_infinite_Faith]

Vi was also severely alcoholic this season but we never see her suffer from it. Like she's seen surrounded by bottles in some segments but then she doesn't act like it at all. No withdrawal. Nothing. It's like they put it there for the edgy aesthetics

[@jimjamjones09]

Me a month ago: "i'm so excited for season 2😊 Me now: oh, my sweet😢

[@lesserknown5138]

Need a squeaky buddy?

[@jimjamjones09]

@lesserknown5138 I'm drooling for an oink. I don't know, I'm so fucking lost.

[@androidd4478]

I’m so disappointed in this season. From its characters, to its plot, to its music, pretty much the only thing that wasn’t bad was the visuals which remain on the same level of greatness as the first season. Personally, I’m just glad that Season 1 is amazing, and we can just consider Season 2 to be some non-canon abomination. For me, one of my favorite scenes from Season 1 is the scene where Silco sits down by Vander’s statue and just talks to himself. It’s such a personal moment where we get to see a different side of Silco and how he’s now facing a similar dilemma to what Vander was facing in Act 1 of Season 1. In honor of how great this show used to be, what’s your favorite scene in Season 1?

[@albertocruzado2899]

There are many. That one easily one of them. I would pick Vi and Jinx reunion, for the emotional punch the series work so hard to have since epusode 3. How much the characters want it to work, and how much time and baggage torpedo the whole thing even if they dont want that.

[@blacktigerpaw1]

Viktor outrunning the boats. I was so hopeful he'd later become the Machine Herald.

[@dire213]

"Those who shine the brightest often burn the fastest" scene between Heimerdinger and Viktor.

[@androidd4478]

@@blacktigerpaw1 . Definitely a great example of how Season 1 uses its music to heighten the emotions of the scene. Love the background with all the stars in that scene.

[@mrq1]

Silco talking with Jayce in Episode 9. Such a great scene, masterfully written. Silco thinking he has the upper hand, that Jayce will embrace Zaun, then Jayce pulling out his ace of Jinx needing to pay. So well animated. We were watching two leaders talk respectfully, intelligently, and like human beings about a situation that would create a city or destroy it. Nothing, I repeat, nothing, in season 2 has come anywhere close to the level of maturity that was shown in Season 1. The comments from the showrunner seem to support this blatant childish ego trip that was Season 2.

[@HectorLopez0217]

“You felt more watching arcane then any other animated show” should follow Christian like “Danny kind of forgot about the iron fleet.” Forgetting transformers one and wild robots came out this year WallE, Ratatouille, and Iron Giant

[@puggietaur]

those aren't animated shows they're animated movies. but there are some many better animated shows out there than arcane s2. x-men 97 came out this year and it bangs

[@jonbaxter2254]

@HectorLopez0217 I cannot fathom how far Christian has fallen, his docu on the making of the first series showed his passion

[@urethraEx]

Hell, stuff like Dragon Ball Z and One Piece made me feel more than this shit. And I'm willing to bet Christian classifies those shows as "fight porn for 17 year olds".

[@rustyslug2943]

Wait a fucking second. If the Z drive sends you back 4 seconds, why can't you just keep pulling it to send you back further in time?

[@sergeantkozi]

I hate this season

[@Dutchyman]

It's implied that it just works the way it works. Like everything else in this season.

[@my2randomcents]

It has a cooldown period I guess

[@sergeantkozi]

@@my2randomcents good answer

[@SETHthegodofchaos]

we Primer now boys

[@SimpleReally]

arcane does this thing that a lot of hack writers do and is seen in every single seagal movie; the bad guy loves to praise the hero and list all his achievements and tells him how awesome they are, and then seagal calls him a little bitch. arcane INDULGES in this shit, there is no way vi and jinx aren't absolutely 100% hated by everyone for several reasons yet this shit show completely glosses over it

[@matthewcollins4773]

Hi, everyone, Smeech here with another of Smeech's Speeches! Thank you all for turning out today, it's a real crowd we got here. Every forgotten faction in the setting, looks like. Maybe some of you will even get dialogue! Now, a lot of you probably have the problem that I had, back in the day -- an addiction to Arcane. See, when you take your first shot, hoo boy that thing gives you a buzz. The writing! The characterization! The subtle art! You want more, who can blame you? But you know it can't last, right? That's the hard truth of it. A second season comes out, and while you're injecting it as enthusiastically as ever... it just doesn't seem to work right any more. No art -- save the same pretty hallucinations, they're as good as ever I give you that -- no characterization, no sense. You jam it in, chasing that same high, and it just can't give it to you. At that point, you're poisoning yourself. Now, I might still be there seeking that high, but my good friend Rictus, he said to me, he said "Smeech. You have to let it go. Watch The Penguin or something", and you know what, he was right. Thank you, and good night!

[@lordofthepizzapie9319]

👏👏👏👏👏

[@stevenclouds]

The true Feel Good buddy Comedy we never got 😢

[@jonbaxter2254]

@@matthewcollins4773 I miss your little face, Smeetch

[@brettziesmer720]

I believe the words of Otto Hightower can sum up Season 2 of Arcane perfectly. “Thoughtless, Feckless, Self-Indulgent”. What a disappointment.

[@markopusic8258]

If I was to choose a worst segment in Arcane season 2, it would be Vi failing to convince Jinx to kill herself, then have lesbo sex in that jail cell while Ekko who came back from an alternate timeline manages to pull that off despite having no reason to even attempt it. I would love to say that it's the specific segment that killed all four of these characters but let's be honest, they were actually dead, so I'll have to settle on it being the segment that did the most insane amount of damage to their corpses, it's actually disturbing that the writers allowed this to happen.

[@WyoCutlass71]

And they are going to hide behind the gay agenda to defend this horrible bit of story telling

[@Jodanger37]

So when Ekko uses the Z-drive, everything around him is sent back in time to their original state, other than himself. This means their memories are also reset, as demonstrated with Heimer in e7. So Ekko repeatedly uses it to stop Jinx from killing herself later. But it’s used to have a conversation with her. So how are they having a conversation if Jinx’s memory is reset every 4 seconds? The answer is it isn’t, and there are no consistent rules or mechanics in this show

[@a_agadir3964]

my head hurt reading this

[@SETHthegodofchaos]

ekko is delaying the sudoku almost every time, so he can keep talking for more/try a different route to stop her from going kaboom. I think that worked rather well actually. Still silly scene.

[@federicoarmada8775]

From any Jinx's perspective it's only one conversation, from Ekko's perspective he’s going back and choosing another dialogue option.

[@Jodanger37]

@@federicoarmada8775 if that were true from jinx’s perspective, she’d be confused ekko was there each time, and/or immediately pull the pin each time. Why do you think she tried to jump that one time?

[@federicoarmada8775]

@@Jodanger37 Ekko goes 4 seconds back each time, but most times more than 4 seconds pass before he goes back

[@nont18411]

Vi was character assassinated so hard I thought Shameik Moore himself wrote the script for Hailee Steinfeld out of spite

[@vadandrumist1670]

I hope someone, anyone involved in Arcane has watched these EFAP episodes and realized that it all went wrong. How can anyone who wrote season one be a part of this and not realize the difference in quality?

[@jonbaxter2254]

A bunch of the writers didn't return, I think it was a perfect mix last time.

[@ephraimwinslow]

I'm going to let you in on a secret. Almost 100% of nerds when given even a *crumb* of commercial success abandon 100% of their principles (artistic integrity especially) on the spot. Because most of them only claimed to have principles as a way to cope about their lack of success. ...Then they get an attaboy from at least one 7, and they all think they're Tony Stark (and it's all downhill from there).

[@PirateKingBoros]

@@ephraimwinslowI fucking HATE how correct that statement is. That’s why I hold up a finger of objection every time someone like Nerdrotic says we need “Nerds” writing these shows. We don’t need people with fan folders. We need people with consistent principles.

[@Maotrix-RandomGameStuff]

@@ephraimwinslowI am one of the guys that enjoyed s2 but can see the flaws it has. S1 is close to perfect and is much much better than s2 but I still found s2 enjoyable do to many moments that where good written. Now there are lots more that are poorly written which is why this season for me and many others is a big downgrade from the first one. I still don’t overly hate the season but I do see the flaws it has and have my criticism towards it, but these guys for me are just nitpicking, if we do the same for s1 we could see Al the flaws it has, of course s1 is still a masterpiece cause it’s writing is better. Instead of nitpicking s2 we should give altogether feedback on what to improve, my main gripe is the pacing this season, I feel if they added 3 more episodes or he’ll even made a whole third season there would have been much more space to effectively write and present the plot they wanted to go for.

[@ephraimwinslow]

@@PirateKingBoros Ideally you want a principled person who's also invested in the IP... it's just that the kind of personality that gets really invested in niche genre fiction is almost never the kind to draw a line and say no when it really counts.

[@masterjedicat]

The final battle was like a movie where there were multiple forces that could destroy almost everyone easily but weren't used properly because the plot had to happen... Oh, right... Endgame exists... And so many people love it... I wonder why the "big stupid battle" plague is still so popular in modern scriptwriting...

[@TheHalogen131]

The ONE thing She-Hulk series did well, was making fun of the "big stupid battle". Sure, it was nonsensical there as well, but the thought itself was good.

[@masterjedicat]

@TheHalogen131 True

[@ephraimwinslow]

I've been ignoring Endgames existence since it first dropped :D

[@supersparks25]

Not joking this show destroyed my ability to be hopeful about project for anything. People don’t care about writing at all. I can no longer be confident in writers with even a good track record. Arcane S2 proves that you can’t trust anything when it comes to media.

[@defrostedrobot77]

@@supersparks25 Always wise to keep expectations in check as rule of thumb

[@supersparks25]

@@defrostedrobot77 my expectations for season 2 were, i doubt it'll be as good as the first season because its the closest thing to a perfect adaptation I've ever seen. I wasn't expecting it to go above season 1 but at least keep the quality in the writing of season 1. It's tragic how far this show has fallen. It was at the top of Mount Everest and now its in the Marianas Trench. It's become sludge. What I was hoping it wouldn't be. I feel betrayed honestly.

[@defrostedrobot77]

@ I wasn’t as hype about S1 as some people but I was hoping the season would at least be fine. Kind of impressive the lows it sunk to.

[@supersparks25]

@@defrostedrobot77 it is incredibly impressive how low it has become. It really shows that the writers room went down to 3 people. But at the same time, the people who worked on season 1 are still here. Its just like, did you guys understand what made your show incredible? Obviously not. We have to adhere to shippers now and a couple that cannot exist because one has killed the others friends many times. It sucks so bad.

[@moe5020]

faith in andor, misplaced may be

[@ElJelda]

It's sad that I actually liked a few of those songs, but I can't bring myself to add them to my playlist, since all they remind me of is the miserable story I watched.

[@joaocarvalho6336]

Two best things about season 2: -To Ashes and Blood; -Highlighting how good the first season is;

[@TheHalogen131]

I liked the Jinx song in the last episode. Mind you, not the scene itself, but the song was pretty nice.

[@joaocarvalho6336]

@@TheHalogen131 I don't even think the songs are bad in on themselves, but it's the way and time they are used completely fucks with any kind of enjoyment we can get out of them. For example "Come play" is a pretty cool song, in the same caliber of "Snakes" from season 1, but it definitely should not be used in the final push in the final battle of the show. It's pretty jarring also to have a music video right after the intro which already has Enemy playing.

[@KalhyphenC]

💯 to ashes and blood solos every other song this season

[@TheRetroRenegade]

Woodkid came out swinging for both seasons and each time brought so much emotion to each sequence. Distracted me long enough from the issues in S2E3 that for a moment I thought the show was still good... Also kinda liked the slower rendition of "Heavy is the Crown"

[@joaocarvalho6336]

@@TheRetroRenegade @KalhyphenC Agree 100%, Ashes and Blood imo as it's own song and lyrics that relate to the show's themes puts it on the level of What could have been and Goodbye. I just wish it had been used as the backdrop of a scene actually worthy of it. Heavy is the crown is cool too, a bit short but it does the job. I also like Sucker.

[@kingragnarok7302]

Wild how by the end, Warwick looks more like Galio than himself.

[@PirateKingBoros]

Jesus Christ that’s such a perfect comparison

[@Nova_2022]

i was talking about the show in a friends server and i said the season was mid, someone said "anyone with media literacy would know this transcends mid". and refused to explain further or give any reason why my opinion is wrong...

[@albertocruzado2899]

Media literacy .... is just the pretencious way of saying the Senator Armstrong "my source its that i made it the fuck up"

[@blacktigerpaw1]

When they say you aren't "media literate" confront them. Ask them why plot holes and bootstrap paradoxes exist. They'll draw a blank.

[@Nova_2022]

@@blacktigerpaw1 i did, he didnt respond, a week later another person in the server said they sat on it for a week and that its still a shit take, and i said that theres still no explanation on how im wrong, the person who i was talking about originally just linked his message about media literacy and didnt elaborate further. they both disliked my take on how they completely ignore and dont talk about isha after she dies and that shes just a moral pet, saying that jinxs blimp has a helmet like isha and that she was more than just a moral pet and that every character shouldnt have to bring up ishas death every time theyre on screen 💀.

[@GeraltofRivia22]

Disregard the opinion of anyone who brings up media literacy. It's now just a lefty buzzword meant to derail discussions.

[@TheRealZeke2003]

Anyone who utters the phrase "media literacy" are stealing oxygen from us

[@Gojeto346]

Drooling for a squeaky is my only joy in life

[@jonbaxter2254]

Here we stand to bury the once great show, Arcane... May it rest in peace...

[@TheRetroRenegade]

Buried in a vertical grave, next to the homie Rictus

[@defrostedrobot77]

I'm glad I came up with the revelation that Singed is basically the Krieger from Archer of Arcane and that my meme got to show up live. Great coverage of the season lads!

[@monder1060]

The thing with memes and critique at about 2:20:00 is very on point. Somehow pretty much nobody stops and thinks that it actually is a huge flaw what the meme describes and they still defend it. I always find it funny how EFAP gets argued with when they criticise something but when for example Pitch Meeting shows the same points in comedy, everybody is on board.

[@mrminecraftcubeable]

at this point the random theories that people came up with before season 2 were more satisfying someone sugested that jayce would use the hexcore to make viktor's body robotic which would be different from what happened in season 1 with sky and viktor would become more and more obsessed with replacing his body with machines others said that they would have had jayce use the hexcore to create blitzcrank to use it in a way that gives back to the community

[@Of_infinite_Faith]

Ambessa leading an army into piltover is astronomically dumb. And viktor just walks in unseen by anyone, he just appears

[@brettziesmer720]

At least Game of Thrones gave us 3 mediocre/bad seasons as a runway before Season 8 being the worst thing ever. Never seen a bigger drop off in quality between two seasons of TV. Absolute disgrace.

[@za-ir5ni]

Stay mad. It's the only season of TV where every episode is rated above a 9 on IMDB.

[@jericho215]

@@za-ir5niyeah, piggies enjoying their slop. General audiences are sheep. They see bright colors and flashing lights, then think it’s the greatest thing ever put on screen. Just look at Marvel. Highest grossing movies ever, and it’s just noise. Style over substance. Arcane has become Marvel slop.

[@za-ir5ni]

@jericho215 Cope and seethe. You're the same morons who think ATLA is bad btw. Your media takes are terrible.

[@TheRealZeke2003]

​@@za-ir5niThe masses will consume goyslop nobody is surprised by this

[@Avarn388]

I haven’t checked out efap in a while because I haven’t seen arcane second season. I heard bits and pieces and my heart sank. What an utter shame it went downhill.

[@dire213]

here is a list of people I remember to have no lines with each other this season but they should have: Ekko and Vi Ekko and Sevika Vi and Sevika(no dialogue, just fight i think) Viktor and Heimerdinger Vander and Sevika Singed and Heimerdinger Jayce and Jynx let me know if i forgot someone or if i got some wrong

[@regansimpson1930]

Did Jayce and cait even share any dialogue this season? I actually can’t remember

[@dire213]

@@regansimpson1930 they did in episode 1. in that fountain/airvent thingy.

[@jamesc1748]

God this is just tragic. Or maybe a mercy based on the quality of this season.

[@venusinuranus]

Vi and Jayce. I'm ruminating on this more and more now, we should have gotten 1) continued discussion/argument about dealing with Zaun after Vi finds out Jayce offered peace terms to Silco after they attacked his factory (she would've first noticed this from Silco's dialogue in 109, then had it confirmed when telling Jayce what happened that night) 2) Jayce showing Vi how to maintain & repair the gauntlets herself, and how to ACTIVATE THE PASSIVE SHIELD she would not forget about when going up against Jinx, a long range fighter 3) Connecting over Cait and her state in Act 1 and in general, given that she's an important person to both of them In the space of like 2 dialogue scenes, S1 set up precedence for all of this. If we got a plot that was focused and building on existing characters in S2...

[@MatheusHenrick-uv9gt]

I'm not even sure if Vi and Sevika were even in the same vicinity at any point in this season

[@Se05239]

Man, season one and two are like day and night in terms of story and character development. What the hell happened?

[@Quole1234]

Sevika doesn't have a line of dialogue for the rest of the series after episode 4, lol. Vi and Ekko don't say a single word to each other in the entire season. In fact, Vi doesn't even know that Ekko survived his duel with Jinx in season 1 until literally the last episode of season 2. Shield guy and Maddie's deaths were also pretty sudden, and no one mentions them afterward. Heimerdinger's death is not only completely pointless, comes out of nowhere, and gets no explanation, but Heimer is never mentioned by anyone for the rest of the series. No one even knows he's dead, lol. Jayce and Viktor's deaths are also not even mentioned by anyone, including Mel, who was in a relationship with Jayce. In fact, if Im not mistaken, Mel and Jayce only have like one conversation in the entire season. Oh, and after Isha's sacrifice, which was not only pointless, but she is also never mentioned ever again for the rest of the season. Not once. What's really funny though is that what Isha did actually helped Ambessa because it resulted in Super Warwick. Oh, and Smeech basically only existed for one episode before he, too, was never mentioned again. There are so many pointless characters and character interactions that clearly were cut from the final product. So. Many.

[@blacktigerpaw1]

"Oh but she has Isha motifs on her air ship!" That's the excuse I hear.

[@mathewallen9813]

Anyone know what the fuck happened to the original writers?! Did they actually all die in the Jinx missile explosion?

[@Arko777777]

They all left/got axed and only 2 or 3 original writters left, including that horny one that wanted Vi and Cait to have human intercourse in episode 5 of S1 already.

[@slei4676]

No they died to covid

[@mathewallen9813]

@ there’s no way they ALL died to Covid? I know it’s a whole conspiracy and such but all of them?

[@blacktigerpaw1]

​@@mathewallen9813He's joking. Ash Brannon and the other writers were let go or fired. Brannon wrote for Toy Story and other famous IPs.

[@mathewallen9813]

@ oh, I thought I missed something, thanks. Are there public reasons or given reasons for why they got let go or were fired? Arcane was super successful so I’m confused as to why that would’ve happened

[@KelShu]

*Jayce* : I need you and the Enforcers to buy me as much time as you can so I can shut down the Hexgates. Why haven’t you started shutting it down already?

[@kingragnarok7302]

Why was no one there to help him? Literally a single person would have made things twice as fast!

[@blacktigerpaw1]

Not to mention NO ONE mentioned his use of an Arcane corrupted hammer that infected the matter it touched.

[@supriadiburhan4748]

​@@kingragnarok7302piltover suddenly feel so small in season 2😂

[@jd2792]

​@@kingragnarok7302 hell remove 1 battery and trhow it to the depth of zhuan or the sea and victor plan is over

[@RavusRiven]

Closed time loops like Viktor’s giving Jayce the stone as a child don’t make sense in a multi-verse setting, it requires a linear single timeline to work logically

[@blacktigerpaw1]

I know, it also requires all variables to be the same. It's just the most r.etarded shit imaginable.

[@rhade3845]

There's just so much wrong with this season. Remember, when they gased the Chem barons, the Chem barons tend to employ small children, like in season 1. Vi probably was damaged to worst in my opinion.

[@cardmaster8772]

I think people are overestimating how much hurtful and how often Cait and Vi used the Gray gas. That being said, the series fail to show how much of an impact it leaves on the characters, because its mostly shown in the music video.

[@mrphoenix4069]

I mean, if you are criticizing Vi's charater being damaged for this, like... Did you just forgot what she said to Jayce in season 1 when he killed the kid right in front of her? Something along the lines that it is tragic, but necessary to stop shimmer and that he knew what he was getting into. Sure, the gassing was a horrible thing to do and it should have been talked about a little more in my opinion, but just to say it destroyed Vi after what was already established in season 1 is just dumb... Its like people are forgetting stuff just for the sake of criticizing and then not even trying to argument with that in mind...

[@LeylaSKDR]

The worst example of conversation cut short was the "we" between jinx and vi in e6. I was SO PISSED. The last time we had a "we" mentioned in a convo between them was ep 9 S1 and it was magnificent. And here, they just pooped that "we" in the middle of a boring conversation where both characters feel super jaded, and they cut the scene to something else. I was outraged.

[@HWNY-e2w]

Remember, Ambessa didn't even ask how Mei actually escaped 😂😂

[@cynicalleviathan]

Honestly season 2 might be the biggest drop off in quality for a 2nd season of a Tv series that I have ever seen. We hoped they would stick the landing, but instead they chose to crash sideways into a bus full of children.

[@Gloomy_Knight-dw5pm]

They dropped all major S1 plot points midway through S2 in favor of adding many new ones they didn't have enough time to explore and develop leading to all sorts of cramming. Shame.

[@RaptorRockDrakeJesus]

I knew the show would be bad as soon as I started S2. Who starts a show AFTER the big bomb killing everyone? Seemed to me in S1 they were gonna cut right back at the bomb exploding but oh well fuck creativity

[@scottk1525]

Something I'm surprised they didn't mention is how lame it was that Vi's hair changes back to pink with no explanation, for literally no reason other than the writers trying to tell us she's back to being good Vi instead of bad Vi.

[@nelguinevere4036]

Cait likes it that way! Cait made a mean remark that Vi looks like shit when she saw her in her gothic style, and Vi, just like a lesbo-incel that she is, simping for the boot of the oppressor of her people and abusive toxic piece of shit that is Caitlyn, immediately obliged - apparently while she was in her hospital bed with 3 doctors working on her. The power of love.

[@venusinuranus]

I think the black dye was just be washed out while she was being taken care of before waking up...

[@scottk1525]

@@venusinuranus Because when you land in the ER with life threatening injuries, washing out hair dye is a priority and all. Also, I'm not sure if you know this, but hair dye doesn't wash out.

[@venusinuranus]

@scottk1525 or whatever she was putting in her hair, if not dye. Clearly something has been washed out as there's clearly still hints of black in her hair. What I'm saying is presumably, if you're out for at least days, people taking care of you / cleaning you would probably wash whatever it is out. I don't know why it would need to be seen as a priority, for it to happen - someone could just do it? I'm sure all priorities would already be taken care of. I'm thinking efap didn't mention it... because the explanation would be pretty simple. Sure it could be a cheap way of showing "bad" to good Vi, but I don't think it's a hole. It looks washed out.

[@scottk1525]

@ Vi had her hair dyed for weeks (months?) You telling me she never washed her hair? Face it, it was in fact just a cheap way for the writers to show that Vi is no longer in her dark phase.

[@lexiferenczy9695]

The only question that remains: Will Mauler finally become the Joker after all this?

[@mrminecraftcubeable]

The writers probably just wanted to loop around to make a refrence to why jayce and viktor go against eachother in the game lore In there viktor creates a dive suit that suppresses the fear of the wearer because he realised that divers would get halucinations from the chemicals, and become so scared that they would mess up and die and jayce is against something like that because it basically means controlling the divers from the shore

[@blacktigerpaw1]

They don't care. They're completely erasing that lore.

[@Mr_Sunday_Gary]

I was coping a bit with the first 6 episodes. I was like “this doesn’t seeeeeem great, but maybe they’ll end it with a bang”. After the last three I felt like Seth Rogan in step brothers. Okay now the tuxedos seem kinda fucked up.

[@stevenclouds]

I was right there too, bruh. I had to watch the season twice to confirm to me if it was really that bad, and it was.

[@The_shady_puffer]

Finally a good, long, tismy EFAP

[@nelguinevere4036]

Word of wisdom. Under no circumstances agree to play a drinking game in which you take a shot every time the panel says "Viktorball". You will die. Even if there is only water in your glass...

[@CorpoMoe]

How is Singed not in jail forever

[@nont18411]

They kinda forgot about it. This isn’t even a case of “bad guy wins” story done right.

[@moe5020]

operation paperclip

[@nont18411]

@@moe5020 I don’t think the show even consider about that

[@An_Actual_Rat]

He got an "How to avoid jail forever" guide from Orochimaru.

[@TheRetroRenegade]

Because Ambessa died and Vi fucked out Caitlyn's memory.

[@tribacioustee2846]

Another way they botched the moral of "Walking away from the cycle of violence" is that no one can afford to do what Jinx did. She has no attachments left to any place or community, it made no difference that she could run off. Do you think anyone in any active warzone can say the same? Vander was again a better example, because he had things binding him to where he was, which forced him to actively invest in peaceful solutions to build the undercity up and get a good peace from the enforcers

[@Cats-TM]

The thing I like about Season 2 is it is so bad it is really easy to ignore while watching season 1.

[@govind.m86]

7:35:00 Honestly, perfectly put. S1 was a masterclass in how it introduced a bunch of themes and kept them cohesive and clear. S2 then shows up, ignores the previously built themes, introduces a bunch of new stuff and is not nearly as well written in how they dealt with it compared to S1. 7:28:49 It's tough to say now given how lacking S2 has been but given a better script I can actually buy Silco telling Jinx that she needs to "walk away". It's been established in S1 that he prioritises Jinx over Zaun in a lot of different ways and we see that from E4 onwards till the talk with Jayce in E9.

[@emmamooney8761]

A major issue I have with the end of season two is that it sends a terrible message about division in society. It essentially says the only way two opposing factions can come together is if they have a third faction to fight, essentially saying violence is inevitable, it will just have a different victim. That’s fine if they condemned that message but unlike season one the show makes no comment on it aside from a hand waving “killing is a cycle”. They could have tied it in with Jinx and Silco’s conversation in the prison cell, an entire EPISODE is named after this very idea, but they make no comment on it, and essentially send the message that unity only comes with division against something else and not organically or through hard work and patience. It’s a depressing message with no comment made on it.

[@lmahu6627]

The season seems to think that quick fixes are possibly for deeply rooted issues. We see this on a personal level with Jinx having all her mental illness gone when Grogu shows up, and then on a larger scale, the show thinks Piltover and Zaun would just unite and heal because of a third-party threat, or the removal of certain elements as shown in the peaceful AU, when the separation and resentment between the cities have been established for centuries that it's basically their cultural identity.

[@callmescrappy8848]

Speaking as someone who was fairly into various shipping communities in the late 2000s/early 2010s, I can say that the influence that shipping now has on creators is one of the greatest detriments to storytelling. Shipping used to be an insular part of fanfic writing. It used to be something for fun, a jumping off point for people to be creative in their own way, but not really something taken beyond that, and not something that anyone believed would influence the actual canon. Then you started seeing more and more of these superficial posts of people losing their shit because their ships made eyecontact in the canon, and people then taking that as evidence that the authors/showrunners see and support their ships. And then it got more and more toxic from there as creatives started "baiting" ships as a way to encourage that online engagement despite how little sense it made in their own canon. Now here we are and people will eat up any slop as long as their ships get to hookup.

[@malzo1701]

What a spectacular fall. Of all the scenarios for this being bad, I never thought that they would do the speed running to kill God trope that you usually see in an 80 plus hour RPGs on top of horrific character assassination Feels bad man😢

[@spnked9516]

The entire "battle" in episode 9 really hammered home to me how desperately writers need to get over their aversion to firearms in fantasy. I honestly think that "battle" did more damage to the world building of the setting than anything else in season 2 - which is saying alot. And all of that could have been avoided if the writers simply accepted firearms and their implications. PS: As a sidenote, since I haven't seen it mentioned, I think those improvised railguns are supposed to cargo loaders for ships/air ships. For whatever reason, overcharging the loaders makes them fire things like a railgun - which probably isnt the safest thing ever. The writers of Arcane, in less than half the runtime of a single episode, took an industrialized society with its capacity for industrialized warfare and subordinated both to classic/early medieval warfare. In like, 10 minutes, they asserted and reinforced a position that explicitly states that progress and technological advancements are meaningless, effectively invalidating Piltover's entire reason for being. If you're going to have firearms in your setting then fully embrace them. They can present some incredibly interesting conflicts and implications for your setting (what the presence of such an accessible equalizer has on a society, as an example).