EFAP

[@merkn1ght]

Arcane fell on it's face so The Penguin could waddle over the finish line.

[@ChrisCash720]

House of the dragon self immolated with the tiny spark it had. Penguin 🐧 reigns Supreme

[@odigity]

Funny, though obviously not accurate - by which I mean they could have both been good.

[@albertocruzado2899]

​@@odigityIf only things were like that.

[@albertocruzado2899]

I would have changed one for the other in a heart beat, but i will take what i get. Its truly nice that Pengüin waddled well to the end.

[@Psyanigh]

Some may say that comment is kind of COLD, but honestly it's not as BLACK AND WHITE as all that. I hope this show MARCHES on

[@Rickmagnus911]

I never imagined Boogie's origin story would get so dark but now that I've seen it, everything makes so much more sense.

[@teezzyy141]

I love when Oz tells Victor he can’t go with him this time and looks at us and said “It’s penguining time”

[@ComradeCommissarYuri]

You forgot the bit where he did his lil penguin dance!!!

[@bryanttownsend381]

Penguin is a 10 Charisma, 10 Perception, and 7 Luck character. I love it.

[@ty15533]

More like 15 luck

[@samwallaceart288]

His Charlatan background means he gets a free re-roll every time he lies; pretty broken tbh

[@Darkington]

On this day, John Box crossed the Great Lakes and gave Canadians the right to return products.

[@giggigidy6998]

Long may his memory live... God bless John Box, a true hero

[@stygames5450]

As a Canadian, I can confirm that he is a legend to every one of us.

[@crsmyth4428]

I also thought Oz was yelling at Sal while he died so that the guys outside could hear him and assume that he had gotten the upper hand on him, not that Sal had a heart attack.

[@crim1188]

Sal DID have a heart attack. And yes pengu did start yelling for that reason

[@nont18411]

It’s quite a nice reference to Arkham game over cutscene

[@mmanzanozr1]

To me being spineless is having no balls. Penguin has balls, he's Evil but he has plenty of balls. People tend to confuse words and that's all this was.

[@TheNoonish]

Using that word is just a substitute for the criticism of Penguin’s core value. His core value is his bloated self image, which is disgusting. And he’s willing to risk his own life and everyone else’s to maintain it. He clings to that core value steadfastly. If it was a core value we approved of, like protecting his family or saving the innocent, we would respect how he’s able to cling to that. Very bad people can be utterly resolute in their beliefs, and willing to go any extreme to pursue them. Determination, by itself, is not a virtue. Josef Stalin was a doggedly determined man.

[@TheNoonish]

Of course, there is also something to be said about having sufficient strength of character to be able to confront your core principles. Many people are afraid to ever examine them, or are just incapable of it because they have blind spots. The issue is what name we have for this virtue, the ability to self examine and realize that something in your values may be fundamentally broken and require change. We applaud this when it happens in God of War: Ragnarok, when Kratos has to change his nature to change his fate. But does that make him spineless, in that he failed to stick to his principles? We normally wouldn’t say so. There’s a type of courage in being willing to change, and that’s a type of courage Penguin lacks, being incapable of confronting the ugliness at the heart of his personality. He’s probably even convinced himself that he didn’t really mean to kill his brothers because it’s easier than realizing how pathetic a man he is; unable to take any criticism and requiring validation from his mommy to make it through the day.

[@KaNoMikoProductions]

It depends entirely on your read of his character. Does he care about his mother's well-being? If so, he's being spineless in the finger-choppy scene, no way around it. Does he not care? Then it doesn't reflect on the existence of his spine at all. The criticism leveraged is based on the first scenario.

[@mmanzanozr1]

@@KaNoMikoProductions spineless is defined as lacking resolution; weak and purposeless. Again i think people are confusing the word, Penguin has a clear goal he obtains it at the end by any means possible and he is not a weak character. He's a piece of shit absolutely, but not spineless.

[@KaNoMikoProductions]

@@mmanzanozr1 I would like to point you back to my initial comment.

[@casbyness]

Oswald is a psychopath whose madness is grounded in narcissism. He doesn't love his mother, he loves the idea of his mother and how that makes him feel about himself. He's capable of terrible evil because the key to his personality is his ability to be dishonest with even his own self. He's a pathological liar and won't admit to others what he did as a child because he can't be truthful about that event with himself. He's deluded, believing his own obvious lies to hold his ego and worldview together. Sofia is fascinated by Oz for the same reason Ash is fascinated by the Xenomorph in Alien. His amorality is 'pure'. Oz never needed a tragic event like family betrayal or death to compromise his morality. He has no morality to compromise. He's pure Id, incapable of true empathy. He never needed anything terrible to happen to him in order to make him immoral - he simply IS the terrible thing that happens to other people. By exploring who or what Oswald is, Sofia is perhaps gaining more insight into her father, which of course is therapeutic and cathartic for her.

[@kaleygirl]

I agree, I wonder if these guys are more forgiving towards Oz than how I read the show. I don't think there's any evidence to suggest that Oz wouldn't have turned Sophia in regardless of whether or not she was rude to him that one time. He has no one in his life he isn't willing to compromise or betray to achieve his goals, and it's such a testament to the writers that you still want to root for him

[@tuskinradar8688]

One of the things I love about Penguins lies is how often there's indirect truth in them, especially when he's assigning blame. His mom for example was the one that stabbed him, but since Sofia was the one who set this up its Sofia who stabbed him not his mom.

[@samwallaceart288]

And that's not even a lie _to him_ because he doesn't believe in personal responsibility. His mom was _pushed_ to stab him the same way he pushes Sal and the Triad and Vic. He blames people for the actions but internally takes full credit for orchestrating it; so it's super easy for him to treat his mom's action as Sofia's orchestration and nothing more

[@xrphoenix7194]

I think part of Sophia's shock at the end is she genuinely couldnt fathom being that cruel, even Oz.

[@kcrr]

Remember when Book of Boba Fett made Boba a fkn crime lord before the show even started? Yeah, this is what they could have been doing instead.

[@JTFIghter6969]

I want to take a moment to appreciate EFAPs ability to break down a story in such an engaging way. I’ve loved almost every single complete breakdown I’ve seen. So much fun to listen to and so many good discussions to think about.

[@the_anomy]

[Finale spoilers] From what I understand Oz took the money from Vic's wallet so it would look like a random mugging

[@xrphoenix7194]

Nah he just wanted the fucking money

[@JoshuaKevinPerry]

Oz rocks that "chaos is a ladder energy."

[@goliver9991]

In part 1 when they talk about penguin hiding in the trunk then stabbing the goon with "something" they call it random car part but it was air refreshener that was set up prior HA once I outautisted the efap crew

[@KaNoMikoProductions]

I'm pretty sure they do acknowledge it, they just don't know what it is.

[@grandarkfang_1482]

1:30:57 😢😢😢 This scene fucking hits me every time, because my old folks have already gone through it, and now we're all just waiting out the clock.

[@Psyanigh]

When Oz and a certain *spoiler* are sitting on the bench I was wondering if he was gonna catch a stray or something. I knew he couldn't survive the story because he's an original character and I couldn't see them keeping him around. I had originally figured the Penguin would've already done the deed by then, yet there they were minutes before the finale was over. But then... when their conversation headed that direction, and he started his friendship-hug-of-death, I just pursed my lips and said, "Oh okay, i got you.." I instantly felt all the future conversations of despair permeating through my mind knowing that people would lose it when they saw that scene, but the entire show set up that it wasn't gonna work out. 'The Penguin' is such an excellent program and I felt so empty after finishing it because I wanted more content, so now I'm enjoying re-watching 'The Sopranos.' Interestingly the bombshell of the Vic/Oz dynamic is felt in "Sopranos" too with a certain character and his "nephew," and also explored in another amazing show 'Boardwalk Empire' in it's second season. Is not often you see the next generation snuffed out by the previous one (amongst the main cast) when they had shown such great potential, so it always hits like a sledgehammer when it's portrayed on screen.

[@JoshuaKevinPerry]

Sorry kid, but you're not going to comic heaven

[@lexiferenczy9695]

You could say it's left for interpretation whether Oz' was born that way as a psychopath or if there is something to his upbringing. There is not much to work with but his mom saying "he always was so needy" could hint to him being treated differently by her due to his leg. There is a certain worship of strength in this family and maybe Oz wasn't loved that much because he was born "weak". So maybe that's why he always wants to become the best, showing it to all those privileged people (or perceived as), to finally get in a position where this mysterious "love" is finally given to him, which he never truly experienced at some level. He only feels there is something lacking but the closer he gets to it the closer he gets to this inner pit of a soul and similarly someone like Victor who gets closest to being "loved" by the Penguin gets swallowed by this bottomless abyss.

[@reachlol1]

A lot of the time you see Penguin being incarcerated in Arkham in media. Usually when he wouldnt be there since he isnt insane half the time. This is an Oswald that could be put there.

[@sognurT]

Can't believe WB did what Sony couldn't

[@jodanger37]

The reason “Ra’s Al Ghul” famously has 2 different pronunciations (“Ras” or “Rasche”) is because DC themselves do not know what the proper Arabic pronunciation for “The Demon’s Head” is. So neither is necessarily correct or incorrect “Falcone” being different depending on the adaptation I’m not sure why, but I’m assuming it’s a similar reason

[@elyrienvalkyr8167]

It's also the fact Ras just sounds waaaay better than rasche.

[@11alpha48]

There are plenty of Italian-Americans who "Americanized" their surnames by dropping the final vowels, in pronunciation or spelling or both, so it's perfectly reasonable for adaptations to choose one or the other. Indeed, it would fit in-universe for individual Falcones to pronounce the name differently, depending on how assimilated they were or wanted to portrat themselves as being.

[@nemo160]

​@@11alpha48Maroni is a surname, yes, but in italian is also an alternative way to say "testicles" (ex. Sei come un gatto attaccato ai maroni/You are like a cat attached to my balls, when yo want to tell a person that he/she is particularly annoying). They just can't win :P

[@crim1188]

​@@elyrienvalkyr8167lol no

[@Zeddyboi86]

I’m so glad we got this show, and this EFAP. Thank you guys! Hope you had a Merry Christmas!!! :)

[@JTFIghter6969]

Bro the parallels between this and s1 of arcane are insane. Please please please diverge immediately you got all the good stuff.

[@grahamgallacher4782]

I love hearing the guys talk about Clancy Brown as Mr. Krabs while i've got the podcast on, sitting beside my son who's playing Spider-man (2018) and he makes the "ahhhkakakaka" after each successful mission

[@casbyness]

After seeing all the parts his his mother, I'm pretty sure this series began as a biography of Boogie then was revised to fit in with the DCMCUTheBatmanVerse.

[@TheButterAnvil]

Twittled Oz's tipples 😢

[@albertocruzado2899]

"You burned my son and wife alive, you prick" "I NEVER DID. I NEVER DID"

[@nont18411]

@@albertocruzado2899 “It’s COLLOQUIALISM!!”

[@Timothy_-ve2zp]

Revised to fit in with The Batman*

[@strakk]

And now The Batman II is delayed to October 1st, 2027... Talk about being blue balled

[@IntelligenceBuild]

Penguin ain't droolin' for a squeaky

[@archstanton9073]

And the next The Batman movie has now been delayed until 2027. It will have been 5 years in between The Batman movies when it comes out. I hope they're not doing this to fold this version of Batman/Gotham into the new DCU or that Gunn wants his Batman movie to come out in 2026.

[@jpdominator]

1:01:46 Fringy… there are tons of blocked off underground areas in many major city.

[@zakataMan]

Yeah I was just thinking about all of the abandoned and old Subway tunnels and Stations in NYC

[@samwallaceart288]

In Rochester we have a defunct subway system downtown, locked off; those tunnels are FULL of homeless people, it's a problem

[@zakataMan]

@@samwallaceart288 It's like that all through the city. Sometimes when it goes slower, actually look out the windows on the Subway you can see all the tents. I remember I saw a map somewhere of all the old tunnels that are no longer in use it's nuts

[@hpw101]

I agree that it was a big relief to see the Bat Signal as the last shot of the season.

[@albertocruzado2899]

The only reason they love The Penguin is because its just a series based on the idea of "What if Boogie was competent?" "I dont respect you Sofia, i respect Sal" "I dont trust you Sal. I trust Sofia" "Yes Sal, i burned your family alive. Love you do" "I DIDNT KILL MY BROTHERS. I NEVER DID. I NEVER DID. I NEVER DID" "YES BATMAN TWISTED MY TIPPLES. THATS PART OF THE ABUSE" "My favourite mobsters in the city are calling me a liar...sniff sniff"

[@samwallaceart288]

"You killed your own brothers!" "I NEVER DID! THE DOOR WAS TOO FUCKING HEAVY, IF YOU WERE THERE YOU COULD TRY TO OPEN THE DOOR AGAIN BUT YOU WEREN'T EVEN BORN SO TALK ABOUT YOUR OWN DAMN PROBLEMS"

[@Gunleaver]

Theo Rossi is in danger of being typecast as a narratively expendable simp for female gangsters in comic- book shows.

[@princehentai6997]

I think the scene where Oswald takes the cash from Vic and throwing his drivers license into the water is quite fitting but for other reasons Mauler brought up, in my mind Oswald severed all connections that could link him to that lifeless body, in his own words: "to make him look clean as a whistle" for that he took his money and threw away Vic's drivers license, to make it look like a robbery. Just a poor soul without an identity gotten mugged in a corrupt city.

[@Saywhatnow72]

3:58:16 is the argument that he is spineless because he refuses to face the truth of what he has done and admit it to his mother?.so he is a coward in her eyes because he can't even admit it to her face?

[@KaNoMikoProductions]

The argument is that Oz would rather let the person he ostensibly care about suffer than admit to what he has done, and that this is spineless. This is also correct, by the way, unless one runs with the interpretation that Oz doesn't actually care about his mother's well-being. in which case the scene doesn't reflect on his spine either way.

[@Grrk_Jr]

Not to be mean, but this performance by Clancy Brown is the most of any of his live action performances where I heard Mr. Krabs It made it unintentionally hilarious every time he was on screen because all I saw was Eugene Krabs

[@brian21282]

"Episode 8, which begins with Frances getting blasted"

[@ComradeCommissarYuri]

Oz the great and powerful.. Heck could you imagine if Oswald Cobblepot was the wizard of Oz 😂

[@xrphoenix7194]

Glad we spent 30 minutes discussing a twitter argument with a random person

[@JohnConstantine-ri9wh]

4:24:00 What are they referencing there? What other time for "What a joke"

[@Mr.NopeNope]

RIGHT.ON A SECOND O FINISHED PREVIOUS PENGUIN EFAP THANK YOU GODS

[@maxemiloddmoland5476]

I wonder if the song "O mio babbino caro" is a reference to both Oz and Sofía fathers, if there is any meaning behind or not.

[@amuro90]

I'll be edging to this at 0.25x speed.

[@soumyadeepbanerjee964]

There are certain things in this show that quite shockingly match what I’ve read and heard from the popular Slovenian philosopher Slavoj Zizek.

[@setlik3gaming80]

Wonderful review, gentlemen 🖖🏽

[@xLovepie]

The last scene with Vic & Oz is what GoT did which got the same response from the average viewer and that alot of shows havent had the competence or balls to copy.

[@Silenthero66]

Would you guys be willing to debate Reaper on this show?

[@alexmaverick6647]

How about a full breakdown of Rogue Elements? It’s comically bad and would get lots of laughs!

[@iamthewizardwhoknocks2845]

Where did the toxic brood touch you?

[@Fauwkes]

Where did drinker touch you

[@archstanton9073]

The production values were good but the script is just ton of action thriller cliches thrown in a blender. I like Drinker but the short film wasn't amazing. "A" for effort, I suppose.

[@countD8852]

Mauler seriously needs to watch Venture Bros, where Clancy Brown plays Red Death

[@VerySeriousMediaYT]

This!

[@lol-hy4mk]

2:22:41 the show is turning mauler into a new yorker

[@jpdominator]

47:45 Fal-cone vs Fal-cone-e was for that stupid riddle. A rat with wings.

[@Skyewars]

I'm pretty sure it's Italian for falcon however it's pronounced

[@jpdominator]

@ falcon in Italian is falco.

[@Skyewars]

@@jpdominator Dang, you're right

[@bradenmerriman5206]

No, the riddle makes sense.

[@jpdominator]

@@bradenmerriman5206 explain it.

[@ThePenAndTheRose]

I hardly think it’s clear what people mean when they say “spineless.” It seems to be more idiosyncratic to the person than one might think. Therefore i think taking issue with the use of the word spineless is probably going to be an uphill battle 🙂‍↕️ Edit: also right after that, the fellow seems to think that one’s degree of sympathy towards a character is what makes them not a villain, which means that his use of the phrase “sympathetic villain” at the start can’t actually mean anything to him. He’s tired of something he doesn’t understand - with no tragic backstory, he does not sympathize and hence, a proper villain, one-dimensional, is achieved.

[@KaNoMikoProductions]

Maybe. I certainly don't see how Mauler's argument is in any way sensical. Either Oz cares about his mother's well being and he is being spineless, or he doesn't care about her well being and he's not being spinless (because his "spine" doesn't come into the equation in that scene).

[@ThePenAndTheRose]

@ yeah it’s just bizarre to describe him not doing anything to help her as “spineless” because it is utterly calculated and part of his character. It would be spineless if he wanted to help her but couldn’t bring himself to do so, which is certainly not the case.

[@KaNoMikoProductions]

​@@ThePenAndTheRoseThat's because your read of the character is different. You read him as scenario 2. The guy calling him spineless reads him as scenario 1. You don't disagree on him being spineless or not, you disagree on him caring about his mother's well-being.

[@ThePenAndTheRose]

@@KaNoMikoProductions yeah, I see what you’re saying now

[@Doge_Squadron]

A surprise to be sure, but a welcome one

[@HectorLopez0217]

The Penguin The Penguin The Penguin

[@JEDiMovieNewsReviews]

My inspiration ❤

[@Zolwiol]

I hope rhe crew will at some point watch a series that is not "time relevant". I'm talking about "Black Sails" series. It's been a joy to watch with my friend. Insanely good show that didn't get enough mainstream recognition in internet era. IT DESRVES IT.

[@echoesoftheancients5002]

Happy Boxing day:)

[@LiquidAwesomePersonified]

Just finished squid game s2 - I didn't hate it and i didn't love it, it's better than i expected it to be but there's more than a few problems.... like for a start it's s2 part 1.... Minor spoilers but not really if you saw s1**** Main character dude is like "they're going to try and kill us when the lights go out" but rather than use his experience from the previous game where they built a barricade out of beds... he just tells everyone to hide under their bunks and gets like dozens of people killed, yes i know there's a plan - but that plan could still have been enacted from behind a barricade.

[@Nathan-ip5dd]

Y'all do the greatest break downs!!!

[@lol-hy4mk]

Can't believe penguin is the elf from elf

[@יאירימין-ע2ו]

Noooooo, I need more time to finish the first one!

[@JohnnyDoorknob]

You guys should do a Lily Orchard video

[@samwallaceart288]

Nah I think they're good. Came across references to her here and there and were like "Yeah that looks like a whole can of worms about fandoms we don't know enough about, so, no" Jay Exci is probably the closest crossover on that end

[@markoconnor8829]

Mauler please can u guys react to the Eric butts reaction to the superman trailer u have seen his rise of skywalker trailer reaction so think of that times 10 and u have his superman reaction

[@JoshuaKevinPerry]

good acting by that guy

[@grandarkfang_1482]

1:27:08 The Dog has Cats!? 🤯

[@hkaayaakuu]

I only know boxing day from football

[@AimlessSavant]

2:58:11 It brings to mind a phrase from a game i know; "Suffering leaves suffering leaves."

[@Dudeman7463]

Much love fellas

[@Dudeman7463]

Just finished the first part. I will be enjoying this one later

[@kieferroche1995]

Please feed us the Austin Powers trilogy.

[@EndlessVacuum]

'Ra's' is the Arabic pronunciation, 'Raysh' is the Hebrew. Think it's a good idea to give the guy, whose MO is trying to destroy civilizations, a Hebrew name?

[@Ranben.]

Well, normally critics look for art to reflect reality.....

[@nelguinevere4036]

What a great show, and what a wonderful coverage. Thank you, guys!

[@darkcyber9965]

59:19

[@Spaceodin0]

Anyone watch Squid Game season 2 yet?

[@Gojeto346]

Nah the tunnels are a legit thing lmfao, do you know how much abandoned underground stuff there is in the US? Did you even hear about the Jew Tunnels??? That’s just one they FOUND.

[@ImSarahHulkenburg]

woo

[@benjaminpeterman7223]

The Penguin and now Nosferatu. We been starving this year, but excellent media's back on the menu, boys.

[@mrrselfdestruction1077]

Previews suck

[@KaNoMikoProductions]

Sorry Mauler, but I absolutely do not agree on the "spine" argument. Oz didn't have the spine to admit to his mother what he did. It's that simple. It's by far the easier option for him to perpetuate the falsehood and watch his mother suffer than it is to admit to his misdeed. The only reading where it's NOT spineless is if he doesn't care at all for his mother's pain, period. And if that's the reading, then what he did was neither spineless nor "spiney." It was not a dilemma for him, so his actions did not show strength of character or lack thereof. You are just wrong. It's that simple.

[@Nereverine]

Nah, Sal dying from a heart attack is stupid convenience. There is a literal gunfight going on outside just have a stray hit Sal and literally everything else plays out the same way only it’s not nearly as egregious of a contrivance. Or even better, penguin’s men beat Sals like they already do and one of the thugs runs in and shoots Sal. Just cause it’s a good show doesn’t mean you have to make excuses for it’s mistakes.

[@hkaayaakuu]

I thought this cobblepot shit was over. Butig uess here we go again

[@paulie.walnuts2838]

The penguin was ok , I dont get all the hype around it 🤨

[@Fauwkes]

Skill issue

[@MegaSpideyman]

​@@Fauwkes What do you mean?

[@AldrickExGladius]

Is this a second breakdown? Or just the same repeated?

[@Hyperion_Driver]

Breakdown of the second part of the season