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[@hh-dm6cp]

Btw, Saw Gerrera doesn’t like kreeger because he’s a separatist, and separatists killed his sister during the clone wars. Just a neat little attention to detail.

[@sparkypack]

ohh.. I loved that scene when Saw Gerrera got pissed at Luthen. It was pure joy to see finally some rebels dealing with stuff that could happen in reality. They basically let Kreeger with all his fighters run into a deadly trap and did nothing. I think this is what made Saw Gerrera crazy in the end... you can't trust anyone. Not even your so called allies.

[@dragonknightleader1]

These showrunners apparently watched Filoni Wars. Which is more than I can say about Dave Filoni.

[@SeanA099]

Yeah. Shows how the only thing a lot of people have in common is that they hate the Empire

[@TheHardys01]

Love it.

[@TheHardys01]

@@sparkypack If you follow his story in Rebels, you find out he's been off his rocker for a while by the time of the events in Andor.

[@EndlessVacuum]

The prison is what I imagine iPhone factories look like.

[@DerichndofCoomland]

Same. But I imagine some random beatings at the phone factory.

[@MediumRareOpinions]

Aren't Apple factories the ones with the infamous suicide nets? To catch the jumpers.

[@sithsaiyan4529]

@@MediumRareOpinions yes, lol.

[@Bootheal]

If they were iPhone factories, there would have to be nets over the "kill yourself" floors.

[@Kevin-jb2pv]

That's a totally unfair comparison. There's no fucking way that Apple would ever offer "flavor" as a reward to their workers.

[@Rokumasu853]

I’m convinced the only reason Andor turned out as well as it did was the corporate overlords kept overlooking it, in favor of the big named, hyped products and it wasn’t micro-managed by the suits. The most tragic part of praising Andor’s success is we hope the take away will be “They like this, make more.” It will instead more likely be “They like this? Make it BIGGER! We need to milk this one for season 2.”

[@gman7497]

I kinda don't mind that it's this weird underground thing, like you said the corpos didn't expect alot from it so they kept their hands off. It also shows that Disney CAN make good Star Wars if they get the proper people and just let them create. And that there's room in this universe for mature complex stories.

[@Rokumasu853]

@@gman7497 Give credit to Tony Gilroy and his team, not Disney. It may very well be Disney’s hands that ruin the rest of the seasons.

[@darkpuppetlordful]

@@Rokumasu853 yeah, we need to praise good work. Tony Gilroy should be given star wars. Kennedy and Filoni have shown their understanding of the story to be inferior

[@Rokumasu853]

@@darkpuppetlordful That’s also an over-reaction. Each team did excellent work on the individual stories/arcs within the season, but the most lacking part of the show was the connective tissue between them. Not necessarily a property you want to see in regards to running an entire franchise.

[@darkpuppetlordful]

@@Rokumasu853 no each team did not do excellent work. Stop rewarding mediocrity at the same level of excellence

[@JulianDoe]

Timestamps 0:00 Christmastime 1:23 Salacious B. Crumb 5:00 Max Rebo Band 6:30 EFAP Micro: History Of Star Wars 46:11 Rapid-fire Opinions 59:10 Episode 1 1:31:19 Episode 2 1:50:10 Storytelling & Pacing 1:52:28 Episode 3 2:13:28 The Flashbacks 2:22:11 Episode 4 2:58:53 Episode 5 3:27:56 Pit Stop 3:33:29 Episode 6 4:07:07 Reactions 4:12:00 Episode 7 4:44:34 Episode 8 5:14:37 Episode 9 5:41:25 Reactions 5:42:52 Episode 10 6:16:34 Fringy’s Opinion 6:25:20 Episode 11 6:50:34 Intermission 6:53:27 Episode 12 7:22:42 Final Opinions 7:25:20 Post Credit Scene 7:27:15 Conclusions

[@Kernwadi]

"Comment." -Bilbo Baggins

[@JulianDoe]

@@Kernwadi "Reply" -Bilbo Baggins

[@testname5042]

Pin please

[@HeckinDoge420]

Hey thanks! Appreciate it

[@JulianDoe]

@@HeckinDoge420 you're welcome!

[@jcore0981]

The scene where Andor shoots the dude point blank in the face without hesitation is how I knew this show was made by a human and not a pg robot afraid of being serious. Also, shout out to Andy Serkis, whose side character has more set up pay off and emotional weight than any character Disney Star Wars had made up to this point.

[@countof3everybodyOD]

Never more than 12 is maybe a top ten Star Wars singular moment

[@HerohammerStudios]

"VIOLENCE MEAN SHOW GOOD YES WOOOOO"

[@jcore0981]

@@HerohammerStudios Yes definitely what I said

[@donk4979]

The only thing I’d say is I don’t think Mon particularly enjoys using her husband even though he’s a dick. It seemed to me that she was uncomfortable with doing it but knew it would work

[@ProjectRedfoot]

Andaaaay!

[@SeanA099]

The show runner of Andor, Tony Gilroy, actually was brought in to do reshoots for Rogue One. Apparently the movie was a bit of a mess before he fixed up the third act. He also added the scene at the beginning where Cassian shoots the guy to stop him from being captured. He definitely had a vision and carried that into Andor

[@thatrandomnoob8611]

The best way to tell if it’s a reshoot is asking yourself this: Is Melshi in this shot? Melshi was cast by Gilroy during the reshoots. So Jyn’s rescue, Cassian’s big speech, etc are all reshoots

[@paxpacis2]

Nice

[@Skele10bro]

Fun fact: Yularen, the ISB guy with the mustache was actually an admiral for the Republic in the show ‘Star Wars: The Clone Wars’ as well as the narrator. He was a fan favorite. Also, Saw Garrara was in ‘Star Wars: The Clone Wars’ as well. He liberated his planet from Separatist control but at the cost of his sister. It left him bitter and slightly insane. This is a smart way of doing fan service.

[@fakecubed]

Wasn't Eularen also retconned to be on the first Death Star in the original trilogy, or am I misremembering?

[@Skele10bro]

@fakecubed correct, I do believe he was. He has had a very successful career.

[@officialmonarchmusic]

Saw, not Saul

[@officialmonarchmusic]

@@fakecubed Yeah, Yularen actually appears in the conference scene on the Death Star. I think the idea behind Yularen in the Clone Wars was "let's make that random officer in the background of the Death Star conference into an insanely important character" So it wasn't a retcon. If anything, it was the opposite

[@Skele10bro]

@@officialmonarchmusic thank you, I will ‘retcon’ that error immediately.

[@samgilley3160]

If Andry Serkis had the chance to play a Star Wars character, and you had to make the choice in a vacuum of who he was going to play, would you have chosen scary powerful sith...or random prisoner? Funny how things turn out.

[@username45739]

For anyone outside your random circlejerk bubble, I'd say it probably would be a legitimately tough choice; the good news is though that he can do both, so yeah

[@Legofps123]

This morning I heard Rags say Andor is the best Star Wars production to come out in the last 40 years and that convinced me to go watch the show. Now having Binged all 12 episodes I came back to say I agree. Holy fuck!

[@bbjygm]

I was watching all of the EFAP reprtoir and I heard a little comment or two from these guys that Andor was good. It's one of those times where I had to stop and watch the show before continuing so I wouldn't have cool things spoiled

[@Nox117]

Something I'm not sure EFAP mentioned: Bix and her friend (can't remember the man's name, but his son later bombs some troopers) are only captured because Bix sent a message to Luthen. Something I really loved about this sequence is that before she sends her message (several scenes before, or even an episode) we are shown that ISB is increasing its communications-monitoring substantially because of the new decrees. When Bix screws up and sends that message, we as the audience are NOT reminded of this increased level of scrutiny, and we are NOT shown Bix's message being intercepted. We are trusted to remember that the Empire is probably listening, and that Bix may have just screwed up badly. It makes the realization that she DID screw up even more painful for me. This is freaking awesome, and it's one of my favorite little touches about this masterful show. Just wanted to throw that out there. Fantastic EFAP as always, thank you for the glorious content!

[@TheGarywolfbarron8]

Also remember that Klaya told Luthan not to answer any messages from Ferrix. They sense increasing pressure, they shut down the line. This all makes sense. So appreciated.

[@username45739]

Very cool, although this is also the place for a reminder that the OT didn't follow such a "standard" at any point - they had all kinds of moments with the Empire being comically/irrationally incompetent in various parts, not sending enough forces (Deathstar defense lol), forgetting to check the surface of their ship, not telling their superiors that someone just ignited a lightsaber in a bar etc. etc. etc. So if this show is going for super-intricate spy plot where you have to remember detail from episode 2 to understand consequence in episode 7 or whatever, cool, but the implication in these comments is always "AND THaT'S WHY IT'S BETTER THAN THOSE GODAWFUL ILLOGICAL OBIWAN SHOW which sucked cause it screwed up the OT" - don't get carried away with it lol

[@Mord12gp]

I kept thinking her name was Biggs and it was her last name.

[@luisvazquez8249]

Damn nice detail, I love when shows reward their audiences for paying attention, it's so nice

[@Killer36661]

@@username45739 - The man who think Obi-Wan sneaking a girl away under his cloth is peak Star Wars

[@nananamamana3591]

I like the soldiers at the base wanting to see the eye thing. It's like. You're stationed on this shitty backwater with nothing to do, ever, you're career is a deadend, your job sucks, and your boss is an asshole. But. There is this *one* cool thing. It happens sometimes, it's a kinda big social party. There's a beautiful show, drinks, BBQ, the works. One time you can just enjoy this unique event, it's the *one* thing that's even notable. Missing the *one* thing *EVERYONE* will be talking about until that thing happens again, is basically a social gut-shot, and nobody on this deadened backwater boring ass place wants to be the boring loser who couldn't find time in their busy schedule of *nothing doing* to see *THE ONE THING* that's actually worth seeing.

[@officialmonarchmusic]

It made them feel more real

[@Krelion1]

I bet next season, Palpatine is gonna show up to the prison and tell Kino: "you are a good leader, im gonna clone you and give you force powers so when the empire falls you can die pointlessly as part of my master plan to have my granddaughter kill me, which I will change randomly because she is in a force diad. Its gonna be great!"

[@gwoody4003]

The portrayal of the Senate in this show is spot on. We took a field trip to the Capitol when I was in school, and part of it was sitting in on a session of State Congress. There was a Congressman on the podium presenting their idea for a bill, and nobody was paying attention. Half the members were not there, most of the ones that were there had conversations going on. People were walking around, talking on the phone, having lunch delivered. We even saw a congressman playing Solitaire on their computer.

[@lukew6725]

What are you talking about? Sheeve wasn't in the show. 😏

[@gwoody4003]

@@lukew6725 not yet so far.... His presence would make infinitely more sense in this show than the sequel movies. He hasn't been vaporized twice yet. Lol

[@gwoody4003]

Oh shiz I just thought of it... I wonder if Palpatine or Vader will be featured. It really seems as though this show is making an effort to distance itself as far from the Skywalker Saga Memberberries as they can while still being part of the tale... part of what I think makes it so good. Though Creamy Sheeve making an appearance would be fitting.

[@azzzanadra]

that is depressing.

[@gwoody4003]

@Hostmann Socrates 🤣 Maybe if a Big Pharma or Wall Street lobbyist walked in they might pay attention. Or some underage girls. 😆

[@loicbosman4739]

Every one of Nemiks lines is what the Rings of Power Showrunners sought to achieve

[@MrAhriman42]

Droids in Star Wars work on Wall-E rules. If they run too long or do tasks they weren't intended to do, they start developing quirks and hobbies and souls n' shit.

[@nagger8216]

Yeah, that's exactly why R2 and 3P0 have full personalities while some other droids in the same series act more emotionless

[@bbjygm]

I think it's pretty awesome, like give the complex workings of the AI enough time to build memory and develop mental shortcuts for efficiency and you start getting personalities and more generalized intelligence

[@robonator2945]

​@@bbjygm realistically that's how it'd happen. Those computational shortcuts are almost certainly how humans gradually gained sapience overtime as well. For instance, take a chat bot, it's job is to play one specific character and respond accurately based on that character's previous interactions, what their current emotional state should be, etc. Well, the easiest way to computer that is to store that character's emotional state and then have it affect your responses. Wait, so you have an emotional state, and that emotional state is affecting your responses... isn't that just, *_having_* emotion? The simple reality is that the brain is a computer, it takes in information, processes it, outputs information. That's it, and the fundamentals of computation apply to it just as well as anything else, including the law of virtualization; keeping things seperate takes more processing power than meshing them together. It's just a lot less processing power to have emotions, rather than to micromanage what emotions you should be faking in order to remain believable. It's why we have logical fallacies; we apply easy to use heuristics to solve problems good enough. It's why we see faces where there are none; our facial detection algorithm is tuned to have more false positives than false negatives. Hell, it's the working theory (AFAIK) that the reason you try to remember something, and keep thinking for minutes on end, and just can't fucking think of what it is, only to realize it instantly later as if you already knew it is because you're mind was running a search and then incorrectly marked the right answer as wrong, so it kept searching through the database of now ONLY wrong answers, since the real right answer was marked wrong. Hell, even one of the traits most people consider integral to humanity itself, empathy, is a result of this exact same heuristic. When someone is sad you want to talk to them appropriately, so you either have to constantly be consciously keeping track of people's emotions and making sure you never say anything out of line, or you can just average your emotional state with theirs and make their sadness literally affect you, thereby never speaking out-of-tone without any computational overhead. It's reductionist sure, obviously there is a lot of implementational complexity that is COMPLETELY overlooked with this conception of the human mind, but in baseline concept, it's not wrong. It's like entropy; for any given system it may not be the whole story, but if you zoom out enough, entropy will win. For any given component of the human mind it's implementation may be inconvievably different to an AI, but if you zoom out enough, they're both just computers, and they both want to use as little power as possible to get as accurate results as possible.

[@jordannewitt]

Really enjoyed this show. Insane how Andy Serkis has played one of the best and one of the worst new characters in Star Wars

[@R0CKDRIG0]

Wait, who else did he play?

[@executeorder6613]

@@R0CKDRIG0 Snoke

[@HerohammerStudios]

Well Smoke wasn't really a bad character. He was just.... nothing... For actually bad characters, fuck me, choose any of them; doesn't matter.

[@ProjectRedfoot]

@@R0CKDRIG0 He played Vice/Admiral Holdo

[@jordannewitt]

@@ProjectRedfoot yer, the mocap was pretty good eh?

[@mivapusa]

Andor is better than Disney had any right to make after the rivers of piss they poured on us

[@thepebbleinstitute7702]

I want you to imagine a great river of golden urine, longer than the Nile, greater than the Amazon, and with more faeces in it than the Ganges, it never seems to end. And yet within that great river, is a beautiful island. Coconut trees adorn it, white sand sets its boundaries, and tropical birds flit between the verdant greenery. A good standard by which all island resorts should be judged against. It’s unfortunate that its surroundings make it smell positively rancid.

[@peanutgallery4]

It's like a jug of lemonade floating in the piss river

[@yourenotmarywelcome8693]

I was not expecting such an eloquent commentary on a theoretical piss river. Well done gentleman, well done.

[@igorpuschner786]

@The Rotten💯 I didn't watch any of the other shows, and I still enjoyed it very much. It is, on its own, a very good Star Wars show.

[@igorpuschner786]

@The Rotten💯 true. Context always matters. Just wanted to emphasize that Andor isn't just a good show because ppl watched the crap that was produced before. Even without that context it is a good show. But with the context it surely comes across a step better.And it shows that Star Wars doent need Jedis or Mandalorians.

[@GodotIsWaiting4U]

Syril’s “12 - no 14” is actually a legitimate correction. They have 12 men and 2 officers, the 12 were split up into 3 teams of 4 each, with Linus and Syril - the officers - joining the 4 on the north team. Syril tripped over the number because of the category difference.

[@bbjygm]

Yeah I got that, too. I'm not sure I would have since they mention 12 before except drawing attention to the difference of 2 immediately made me think of the two officers we've been following

[@fakecubed]

Most realistic part of that whole episode. The actor and the script did a very good job of making the character seem genuinely quite scared for his life.

[@MannyNamiro]

Doesn't Syril clarify it himself? He says "12. No, 14." and pretty much immediately explains "12 men and 2 officers."

[@fakecubed]

@@MannyNamiro Yes. It was very clear.

[@Vario69]

How can these highly acclaimed critics ALL overlook this

[@papabull8993]

Thank you for doing this. Andor needs more praise.

[@sparkypack]

Pretty good storytelling and well delivered. Here and there flaws, but it didn't take me out of this well crafted world.

[@teddyharvester]

Other than praise, it needs people watching it so the decision makers see this is what people want, but I just don't know if the damage hasn't already been done to such an extent by the rest of Disney SW that people are just done, and whether most viewers just prefer the other unengaging fluff that you can put on while ironing. It's a sad state where the best thing they've done is also the thing you have to actually convince people to see.

[@sparkypack]

@@teddyharvester 👍👍👍

[@georgechapman9688]

@teddyharvester it can't hurt that the word is out that this is good. Terrible shows are ridiculed one day and forgotten the next, but good shows get talked about and re-talked about 😁

[@Batmans_Pet_Goldfish]

The first time I had to stop an EFAP to go watch the show. I was not disappointed. I love the 🤡 saying it wasn't Star Wars because it didn't have their space wizards.

[@jordannewitt]

and B R I C K S

[@snakeguy8646]

Dude the fact people are mad there’s no Jedi actively pisses me off as a big fan of Star Wars world building

[@Batmans_Pet_Goldfish]

@@snakeguy8646 exactly, _especially_ after order 66

[@snakeguy8646]

@@Batmans_Pet_Goldfish Fr there’s supposed to be very few Jedi and hell even very few sith, the average civie in Star Wars Universe has likely never seen a lightsaber red or blue

[@jamiemunn9200]

Space Wizards have been 66'd at this point in time and the numbers of Jedi preceeding the event was ravaged by the clone wars. You have to create a logical world where Han Solo seriously thinks the force is a myth. Children man, children.

[@emiliolachappa2135]

Because yes you waited patiently and now Christmas is here and you've been a good chat. Merry Christmas to whoever wanted them to cover Andor I'm happy for you

[@stingerredshock3418]

Christmas is better than Halloween. You can probably prove me wrong, but by that point you will already be in pieces.

[@emiliolachappa2135]

It's Christ's birthday of course Christmas rules

[@jimnoel3025]

I was disappointed yesterday because there was no efap but to my surprise a Christmas miracle efap on Sunday

[@Kernwadi]

"Jesus is King." -Bilbo Baggins

[@TheHardys01]

I feel vindication.

[@lukew6725]

I can't believe that people in chat were pulling out the argument "We know that Andor dies so why have a prequel?" Do you people realize that exact same argument can be made against rewatching any movie ever?

[@misternich4935]

That same argument can be made to the prequels obi wan dies anakin dies yoda dies so why bother

[@nagger8216]

@Opener73 I think that's actually a better reason to give him the chance to flesh his character out.

[@kabirarya5381]

I used to believe in this mindset, than I watched better call Saul, and learnt that watching a character develop, even if you know his ending, doesn't make all the development meaningless or uninteresting. Rather if you make the character more interesting in the prequel, how they end up can make them have an even more of an emotional response the next time you see the characters ending.

[@HEARTS-OF-SPACE]

People who make that argument are not to be taken seriously. I guess the prequels are pointless because we know how and when Anakin and Obi-Wan die...

[@paxpacis2]

Yeah so many people made that argument and I was like: So you all never watched the Prequels because Obi Wan and Anakin died in the OT?

[@asiawaffles6916]

I found it interesting how the word "Climb!" keeps getting yelled to Cassian throughout the show. Almost like K2-S0's final word is echoing back through his life.

[@mikeok8478]

When in episode 6, the Leader is giving his speech to the ISB and notifying them that they are increasing restrictions it reminded me of Episode IV when Princess Leha says to Grand Moff Tarkin, "the more you tighten your fist, the more star systems will slip through your fingers."

[@zohzie]

Leia

[@oXRaptorzXo]

That leader is also Colonel Wulf Yularen, who was an admiral in the clone wars. In the Thrawn books (canon, absolutely amazing and details Thrawn origin story), we see him again as a high ranking ISB agent.

[@wingsoffreedom3589]

I quoted the line yesterday when I was watching that episode.

[@wingsoffreedom3589]

@@oXRaptorzXo I was wondering if that was Yularen.

[@lumeronswift]

So glad you guys enjoyed Andor. I was worried you guys might have a scathing review instead based on early remarks in other videos, but the series held up and you guys were there to see it - and then you dropped this stream as a nice Christmas present! I think it's one of the more interesting series I have seen in years - it is one of the only shows I have watched that hasn't had me reaching for my phone or looking at another screen. The attention to detail and the willingness to include harsh plot points kept me glued.

[@Mandoolin]

As someone growing up in Sweden during Stellan Skarsgårds run in the Pirates franchise and a few other "big" hollywood movies - we have this hype around him as "our big time hollywood star" but it's still weird to hear people from other countries hype him up as well. Very glad to hear it as hes amazing.

[@alexhayden219]

I think he's generally very well liked most places. Thank you for giving him to "us." :D

[@username45739]

Never began for Europoorcels

[@luke8801]

Bill, Gustaf and Alexander too. What a legendary family.

[@MercerCreate]

The whole point of Cassian getting arrested is a result of the heist. Once the heist happened, the public order decree was passed which allowed the empire to crack down an arrest anyone without due process. The brilliance of this is that this is why Luthen organized the heist. He wanted the empire to crack down. Oppression, he said, brings rebellion. Star Wars or not, this is great writing

[@trailduster6bt]

I don’t get the “episodes 1-2 are boring” narrative. I was hooked from the first scene where Andor encounters the 2 security guards. Just felt like a high quality show already between the dialogue and direction. It felt serious. Nothing like Mando or Boba Fett.

[@sellinmp1506]

In regards to the “lightsaber” like long-pulse lasers, even the Separatists and clones had this technology during the battle on Geonosis.

[@MediumRareOpinions]

I'm sure the dish turrets on Hoth also fired something in-between. It wasn't a continuous pulse laser but it fired a longer beam than the standard blasters.

[@thekeithclan3041]

Episode 4: There is another reason why they use the "nobody wouod be stupid enough to attack" line. Because there is an entire air base 52 clicks away, and it is avoiding the fighters from that base that they say is suicide and thus "too stupid to try".

[@xenocross5129]

As Bilbo Baggins once said, "Milk your rhinos and get in front of the screen, the boys are fapping".

[@Kernwadi]

Amen to that, Bilbo always knows what to say.

[@GhostLink92]

While flipping off the camera.

[@ProjectRedfoot]

Cocaine is a helluva drug

[@Calvinosaur]

This is good rat.

[@Kevin-jb2pv]

The boys are fapping town, The boys are fapping toooooooooown,

[@BigDan23229]

Fringy's joy when something is actually good almost warms my cold, black heart. Almost...

[@Aemond2024]

Amen

[@christiansmith1389]

Super late to this convo, but I’m pretty sure that the implication in the scene on Kenari is that the children’s parents/older family were forced into slave labor in the mines and died. So they’re basically fending for themselves.

[@2xRainb0w]

That speech from Luthen to Lonnie is perfectly represented by the OST “luthen of Coruscant” the melody screams self sacrifice

[@paxpacis2]

Andor is the best thing Disney has produced in general. It's criminally underrated. And it's sad that a show like this doesn't get more attention because Disney butchered the rest of StarWars

[@MannyNamiro]

I didn't give Andor a shot precisely because of everything Star Wars made by Disney turned out to be crap of the lowest sort. The kind of crap that wouldn't even be good as fertilizer. Just finished binging Andor today. This is literally the best Star Wars under Disney. And it wasn't even as "boring" or "slow-going" as some people like Nerdrotic called it. I don't know if Andor is such a good show on its own or if all the other SHIT Disney has been pumping out makes it look like a shining diamond, but this show is the first time I don't feel like I've wasted hours of my life for nothing.

[@wardjunior1450]

Coz it was awful.

[@lumeronswift]

The worst thing about Andor is the environment it was birthed into... where tons of people are (with good reason) predisposed to hate Star Wars content and the franchise in a heavy downward spiral... I was scared when I saw Disparu cover the first episodes (which I saw as setting the scene) as unnecessary and boring and bad, and the rest of KZbin called it a failure as well throughout the season, even though I was more and more impressed per episode (because I was finding out that it was continuing to hold up). I hope it didn't do so poorly (if it did) that Lucasfilm drops it or fails to learn from it.

[@username45739]

Disparu is a worthless hack, why were you watching him to begin with or getting "worried" by any of his fluff judgements lol

[@bigwig252]

Who cares?

[@dragonpaulz_]

The worst of both worlds is that Disney sees people actually like it and so they decide to step in more with more executive meddling and ruin it

[@cameronroy2129]

Fringy had the same complaint as me with the aliens and I think it's worth noting when going back there was way more aliens in the background than I thought on a first watch. There's also the set design, I remember how cool it was that the workers set of gloves on the wall were all different or patched up, it's a world that feels lived in.

[@Batmans_Pet_Goldfish]

I remember hearing that complaint a while back. I kept that in mind when watching the show and was very pleasantly surprised. The world building in this was very refreshing.

[@Сайтамен]

At Mon Mothma's party, but not on Ferrix. They could just reuse the masks and puppets made for other life action shows.

[@donkeysaurusrex7881]

There are some aliens in the background. I would prefer more and more of the classic species instead of all new species. The OT and PT felt like the Galaxy was only 50% human at most. I’d like to get back to that many aliens at least and to have aliens as major characters.

[@szeltovivarsydroxan9944]

That there were no aliens in the prison was BS though. It's like the makers of the show were embarrassed to use the Star Wars universe as their playground.

[@lordmctheobalt]

@@szeltovivarsydroxan9944 I'd argue it makes sense to have each prison be only one alien species (that includes humans). Makes uniforms, food, & security much easier & more uniform as you don't have to account for an alien species that is immune to electrocution for example. So that it was only humans in that prison didn't really bother me

[@TheGarywolfbarron8]

Just to clarify Cinta was obsessed with that ISB agent. Watching him, she told Vel who he was. She totally stalked him, hunted him and then killed him. So fucking cool. Too bad it wasn't creepy Doctor Gorst.

[@Red-zh7vq]

I don’t like her, gives me sociopath vibes

[@trevorcoyle517]

Yeah fuck that guy he needs a “Strange Days” fate, get stuck with those headphones on and left to die. Also I’m glad they just gave us the description and reaction to the noise, and kept the noise itself to our imagination.

[@kylekatarn5964]

​@@trevorcoyle517Actual dread is hard to do directly. That is a Hitchcok-ian touch.

[@wingsoffreedom3589]

I'm on episode 8 and the heist had me and my family's hearts beating harder than anything Disney has put out in the star wars franchise. I was invested in the characters, I loved the world-building and seeing the ISB outside of the novels. I loved the realistic take on how rebellions work and the ethical gray areas it operates in. Overall this mature character-driven star wars is what I've been asking for for a decade.

[@PopStrikers]

I finally got around to watching this series after writing off Disney Star Wars cuz you guys had brought it up multiple times. Holy SHIT this has no business being so good considering it's peers. Absolutely incredible show.

[@nicolaspassemard265]

What a good show. Everything is great about it. Acting, music, photo, writting, message, action... I just want more of that.

[@username45739]

The writting most of all, yeah

[@Cats-TM]

1:09:50 I actually prefer B2 to R2-D2. They both are both full characters but seeing a droid get actually scared and genuinely upset for their master is a really interesting concept. And his lack of courage makes the end speech so much more impactful because you know even _the droid_ cared about it.

[@LevenScholar]

Except R2 had both of those qualities in the OT. Like when he got sad when Han and Luke were left outside on Hoth. There were multiple times where R2 had “emotional” reactions to events.

[@alexhayden219]

The speeches in this show - especially Luthen's sacrifice speech and Maarva's eulogy speech - are so damn good that Star Wars barely deserves them and fans of the other D+ Star Wars shows definitely don't deserve them.

[@purple3018]

Maarva’s eulogy genuinely never fails to make me tear up

[@MandoWookie]

@4:38:00 if you rewatch the scene, the people running from the Troopers ran past Cassian and up those same stairs. The Droid then is shown dragging them back from the direction Cassian was heading. The Trooper was waiting to catch anybody coming that way, and yeah, they don't really care who they grab. The Empire is cracking down, they have essentially waived all forms of due process. Specifically when it relates to "anti Imperial activity" which is what they charge him with. And as the next arc shows, it's probably just an excuse to roll up people for slave labor.

[@Lobsterwithinternet]

Was actually going to reply this but you beat me to it first.😅

[@MandoWookie]

It suddenly occurred to me, the same thing happened with Clem, Andors father in the flashback at the end of the previous episode. He wasn't involved with the guys throwing stones at the Troopers, he was in fact trying to stop them, but because he was just in the street with them was enough to hang him. Something to remember, the Troopers aren't police. They aren't even the Corpo security. They are highly indoctrinated shock troops who are being deployed to control civilian populations. They are treating it like they are occupying a hostile world after its been conquered, not a tourist trap. Because that has likely been their only training and experience, not civil police procedure. That plus the enhanced directives means they have close to absolute power and no oversight. As long as no Ferrix or Aldhani situation happens, no one cares how many people are swept up and disappear.

[@Lobsterwithinternet]

@@MandoWookie Not to mention the fact that the Empire was looking for cheap slave labor for secret projects like the Death Star, it's the perfect excuse to ‘acquire’ a workforce without raising too much suspicion.

[@warrenharshaw7677]

That was clearly a message on police brutality as this whole show has been. They had no reason to even stop Andor, considering he was not even running or acting suspicious or anything. They only arrested him because this show has set up them focusing on him being "brown," and they are trying to say that they discriminate against brown people.

[@MandoWookie]

@@warrenharshaw7677 what? Where did they ever make any reference to him being 'brown'? The others that were being chased at the same time were different races, and the prison he wound up in was like 90% white. He was targeted because he literally was just in the wrong place at the wrong time. And the Empire isn't very discriminating when it comes to its tyranny. And he was acting suspicious, he was looking around and being nervous, and very deliberately trying to look casual, because he has several millions credits in his hotel room that he just helped steal from an Imperial Garrison. That they tagged him and threw him in prison for basically nothing is both ironic and karmic. He helped instigate the crackdown the Empire has been waiting to have an excuse for, and gets caught on trumped up charges that wouldn't have stick if not for his actions.

[@nixxthebiggz3272]

4:36:31, the part when Andor got caught by stormtrooper because of funny walking is totally relatable and realistic outcome of living in a police state. Just ask people who lived in that type of countries during or after protests. Sometimes police forces just need to complete quotas. So they will just catch some random person at the wrong time, this person will be sentenced just for looking wrong way. That will be enough.

[@mawrak]

why was he living on an imperial planet instead of leaving like he said he would literally in a previous scene?

[@nixxthebiggz3272]

@@mawrak I guess, he thought living under different identity on different planet (even under Imperial control) is good enough

[@darkpuppetlordful]

@@mawrak it takes a lot of money and effort to travel planets for normal people.

[@mawrak]

@@darkpuppetlordful he has money

[@darkpuppetlordful]

@@mawrak not enough to facilitate constant travel as an isb person of interest

[@macaron3141592653]

Its amazing how an otherwise ok-ish storyline can be transformed with good writing, cinematography, and direction. The level of thought put into each conversation and character bleeds through the screen and makes this show way more gripping then I expected.

[@alesin1992]

You have to be the biggest Disney tool to be excited about the fucking Andor show. Yet here we are. After Boba Fett and Kenobi, this mangled franchise was the last place I expected to find quality writing in.

[@wingsoffreedom3589]

@@alesin1992 yup I'm actually excited for season 2 I can count on 1 hand how many shows I've been excited for in the last 5 years.

[@GB-mu9ue]

The bit when the diplomats are at the party and talk about the view from the window was scintillating. Really believable.

[@kylekatarn5964]

​@@GB-mu9ueHaving been in a lot of corporate social events, that's exactly how most of them feel.

[@ajmatheson2807]

I think the guys miss the point of, and one of the big themes of the series with the Bell-ringer/Anvil Man on Ferix. Its Ritual. All three location arcs deal with ritual and the disruption there of. Ferix is an industrial hub where their daily social rituals are shown with the Anvil Man, but also the wall of gloves and the alarm system. Its very much reminiscent of any small town/ tight community with "the way things are done around here." The second planet, with the hiest, the rituals there are the the crew and their drilling and practice, and also the big crystal storm as a religious event for the natives. The Prison arc, well, thats all ritual and schedule. Andor acts as a disruption to all of these- the daily life of Ferix with the corpos and then the Empire moves in. He alters the plans and set of the rebels heist, and through them the empire and the natives. And of course, the Prison break is a huge disruption. And there is the whole issue with the ISB. Andor's little incident at the begining causes so much disruption the the "norm" of the Empire becomes so significant. So yeah... Ritual is a major theme to me in this show, and Anvil Man is a clear symbol of this.

[@noahsmith7354]

Who could have guessed THIS was the diamond in the ruff; a spinoff T.V. show about a third rate character, from a second rate film I bet most people forgot even happened. Really enjoyed it, from the first scene to that last episode! 😭

[@donkeysaurusrex7881]

It was one of the few they announced back then that I was looking forward to it. It wasn’t trying to cram more into a character whose story was done, and it wasn’t some KK or Dave Filoni passion project. It was a mostly blank slate where a story could be told just like The Mandalorian was when it was announced. Now none of that guarantees it would be good, but it had a real chance to be good which most announced SW projects don’t really have. It amazes me most SW fans can’t see how trash most of the announced projects are or pick out which ones have real potential.

[@TheArchivistArchive]

Second rate film? Rogue One was one of the best Star Wars movies in ages.

[@janbosch5951]

@@TheArchivistArchive Perhaps, but look at its competition... Clearing that bar isn't exactly a achievement on its own.

[@MediumRareOpinions]

@@TheArchivistArchive The last act of the film is doing most of the heavy lifting though. Its not a consistently good film but ending on a strong finale helps it greatly in how its remembered.

[@mohamedbelkacem9889]

I did, I said in the mauler subreddit: Imagine if this turns out to be a good show?

[@thekeithclan3041]

I genuinely enjoy how "lame" Andor's capture is. Because it is an example of the exact retaliation he feared and tried to warn Nemik about. I don't really think it is bad at all. The Trooper is using another excuse to take him in beyond "you're sweating". There are other people fleeing troopers in the area, something this trooper is completely aware of indicated by the "You're part of it" lines. The only thing the trooper needs to bring him in is that there is crime happening in the area, and Andor is also in the area. It is extreme, yes, but it is set up in the same scene where the emergency powers are first beimg described. Big boss man says something along the lines of the smallest of possible anti imperial activity should be considered serious crime. Point being, that trooper needed only one excuse to put a tick mark in his arrest quota, and he has it. "Man seen near crime scene" is all that is necessary. That is absolutely the point. Andor suffers the global spread consequences of his essential involvement in the heist, both on the positive end from his mother's inspiration for the cause as a result of the heist, but also from the basically unlimited power given to abusive law enfircement, also as a result of the heist. I think that scene being the next time we see Andor after his confrontation with his mom makes for a well set up one two punch that both serves as plot progression for Andor and world building for the greater universe simulteniously.

[@Сайтамен]

Geonosians were genocided by the Empire. They used them to architect the Death Star and then got rid of them. That was explained in Rebels.

[@jackattack3246]

You are spot on good sir. It would be nice in EFAP watched the animated shows because it would provide extra context. Also it was explained in Catalyst and Darth Vadar shows their eradication.

[@aquapendulum]

Genocided so hard that Geonosian is now a near-extinct species in Disney canon.

[@jackattack3246]

@@aquapendulum There was Klick Klack in rebels and the egg that he had was the last geonosian queen who was later killed by Darth Vadar.

[@MultiKbarry]

@@aquapendulum Honestly one of my most hated part of Disney canon. Just snuffing a huge species in the prequels effectively off screen.

[@danielnolan8848]

@@MultiKbarry the light time travel is what gets me

[@Gunleaver]

About the issues with Tim being shot: 1. I don't think the takeaway is supposed to be redeeming Tim, but rather to show that he's a heedless dumbass. Tim reacted emotionally to Cassian's visits to Bix, suspecting her of cheating. Rather than engage with the issue, by either confronting Bix and attempting to ascertain the truth, or by considering what it means that he is cheating, he just tries to make the problem go away. If your partner is cheating on you, having the other person hauled off to jail is not going to fix your relationship. But Tim reacts childishly, and selfishly. He calls the cops, which has to be a big no-no for that community. If the arrival of the cops causes everyone to immediately start sounding an alarm, that is not a neighborhood or community that has any tolerance for snitching. Tim broke the rules of his community, he disrespected his girlfriend and their relationship, because he's acting emotionally, instead of rationally or in accordance with the rules. And then he reacts stupidly to the sight of her in captivity. Just as having Cassian arrested was not going to make Bix love him or resume an exclusive relationship, charging armed cops was not going to get her free. Everything about this show suggests that it values care, thought, planning and deliberate choices. Tim would be a hero in other Disney Star Wars, because of his good intentions and pure heart, and he would live or die depending on the priority for the writers. On Andor, he dies because he did something stupid, something that Vel or Luthen or Saw or Kino would NOT do. And that's why their actions succeed and he dies without achieving anything. 2. I don't think the guard who shot Tim was sent back to the transport as a reprimand. These are cops, not soldiers, and however justified the shooting, there still has to be inquiries. Remember, Syril's superior wants to ignore the murders. That's not a military attitude, because the enemy might be coming for you next, it's a bureaucratic cop attitude. And when cops kill people, there are reports to file and inquiries to carry out. For the most part, people (except dumbass Tim) are not fighting back, they are running. As far as the cops are concerned, their only physical threat is from Cassian. Just like IRL, the real police might send a dozen cops to serve a warrant on a dangerous subject, but they don't go into the neighborhood like the military squad entering a warzone or an occupied city. The guard who shot Tim was sent back to the transport in anticipation of an inquiry into his shooting, so the man in charge won't have to explain why he sent this guy into more action, and compounded the mistake, if there was one, of turning him loose with a gun. If the inquiry finds him guilty, you do NOT want to be the officer in charge who allowed him to keep operating after that. And even if it's justified, there is the issue of trauma for him, where he might freak out or panic or go trigger happy. One of the good things about this show is how they make a real distinction between the cops, the Imperial army we see at the dam, and the Stormtroopers who come in at the end. It's not just in quality, it's in what they do and why. Just as the Stormtroopers would not, or should not, be doing the sort of maintenance work that Lt. Gorn orders his soldiers to be doing at the base, the corporate security cops would not be approaching the attempt to capture Andor as a military maneuver through hostile territory. Stormtroopers or army units would absolutely not send the shooter back to the transport, but cops would and should. It's not only NOT a flaw, it's actually something that is well done.

[@robonator2945]

"...he might freak out or panic or go trigger happy." - " 'CheezWiz' has panicked" - " 'CheezWiz' takes shot at 'BigBeef' " - *_CRITICAL HIT_* - " 'BigBeef' has been killed in combat"

[@Book_of_Grudges]

Watched this EFAP when it first came out. Now I’m coming back after finally watching the show to appreciate it with context. Great EFAP, great show.

[@teaketchup1296]

The discourse around this show has been rather heartwarming. We have a bunch of people going “look Anakin!”, but it looks like more people are praising this show for what it does well. All of this to say, get your act together Disney and stop pumping out shit. Both the you and the fans will benefit if you do more like this.

[@ThomasThePanzerTank]

I think when Skeen is on Cassian about the kyber it’s because he’s trying to subtly sow distrust within the team. He wants them to be fractured and have a reason to keep Cassian out of the loot pool so more money can go in his pocket. He confirms that he’s trying to keep it mostly for himself when he tells Cassian they can split the pool 50/50 before he’s killed. 3:16:28

[@THEGREENHELIUM]

Yeah and I’ll bet that he would have let Cassian pilot the ship if the did take all the money and the instant they would have landed on the moon, he would have killed Cassian to take it all for himself.

[@GallifreyanAvenger93]

I've lost count of the amount of times I've returned to this particular EFAP. Andor was an absolute breath of fresh air in the overwhelming amount of sludge from Disney Star Wars. Call it confirmation bias, but I really enjoy the panel's assessment of the series.

[@2nd_Directorate]

On Bix getting stopped in Episode 3. It is NOT the point she was running, it was the point she turned the corner, saw the groups of CorpSec and THEN turned around running in a different direction. Every single policeman on this planet would have done exactly the same in this situation. You even had the clip running in the background while talking about it.

[@warrenharshaw7677]

I don't agree. There are plenty of reasons why someone would react like that: *fear of the empire *does not want to be involved *does not understand what is going on Every police officer would not react that way

[@troo_6656]

@@warrenharshaw7677 Fair enough but these guys would. That's exactly what they are supposed to do.

[@apocryphicdeath]

@@warrenharshaw7677 None of your reasons would prevent a reasonable officer from detaining a citizen behaving that way if only to question them and find out for themselves the citizen isn't involved. You're vastly overestimating the benevolence of police officers. The issue is they underestimated the town's belligerence toward the Empire. Should have brought more manpower, but hey they didn't know it was this bad. With hostility so high any civilian in the settlement could be a threat so their actions are reasonable from their pov.

[@Stringer13ell]

I've always wanted to approach a police officer, say "oh crap" and leg it. I wouldn't do that in the US mind.

[@warrenharshaw7677]

I just rewatched the scene for better context because I had watched it when it first came out, and it is even more ridiculous than when I watched it then. Y'all make it seem like everything was calm, and she was the only one running. But if you rewatch the scene, you will see that it is pure chaos. Everybody is running every which way, and there are a ton of civilians on the street. The troopers blatantly ignore everyone else but her. So this scene makes little sense why they would target her and not everyone else. Go back and rewatch it.

[@Skele10bro]

2:06:38 this actually is an interesting view into Ceril’s worldview. There were 12 men and 2 officers, so really there were 14, but Ceril didn’t include himself and Linus in the count. It came across to me as though Ceril, in his panic, thought of his men separately from himself, as though they are grunts and are therefore not as important as himself.

[@gamermancrygamer9461]

At 4:38:00 it would actually make the overall story much weaker if there was a specific reason why Cassian ended up getting hassled by the beachtrooper. The point is that just living your life and not worrying about the empire has never been an option. Giving the arrest a reason would imply that he could have done something differently that would have allowed him to ignore the tyranny of the empire. It would be antithetical to the theme that resistance is your only real option. Also, this is the second time Cassian's been profiled by police in the show. It's not much of a stretch that he gets stopped by a jumpy beach cop when there's an ongoing chase.

[@BaldorfBreakdowns]

RLM said Star Wars was creatively bankrupt. Andor proves it's writers who were bankrupt.

[@tannerchaffin9235]

On the topic of Luthen's monologue to Lonni, and in response to the reddit comment Mauler highlighted, its doubly tragic that Luthen doesn't have a daughter while Lonni does. Not only does Luthen not have any children, nor can he ever risk having children, but the simple fact that he doesn't means that Lonni will never be able to sympathize with him on it. Not only does Luthen not get to enjoy the most basic aspects of life, but he must also suffer alone because the very person he is appealing to will always view his personal risk as higher because of his child. Lonni at least has someone to lose, Luthen can't even risk that, but Lonni will almost certainly never fully understand the magnitude of that sacrifice.

[@username45739]

For other people, not having kids is a huge relief lol

[@reaperthegrim5654]

"We know what too little protection looks like". its pretty obvious they're referring to aldhani. not the prequel era lol

[@obsidianmotion6432]

Thank you for doing this. When I watched this show for this EFAP it was a punch in the face regarding it quality of dialogue and the slow reveal of the recognizable empire on the streets. I loved seeing all of the build up to that reveal, the internal corporate struggles, the drives, the motivations and it didn't feel like a live action cartoon. It my be the only good thing we get from Disney Star Wars but there is always hope.

[@anonimuso]

Disney has put me off of Star Wars so much that I don't even bother watching the trailers anymore. For anything. But I heard how good Andor was from some people I trust. I just finished it yesterday. It was much better than I expected. Whoever was really in charge of this show (I see Kennedy puts her name on everything) and the writers need to be given more to do in this universe.

[@gobs379]

I'm in a similar boat. I've long since moved past being angry about Star Wars. I don't watch the movies or the shows, I don't read the books, I don't even play the games anymore. The world of Star Wars was the joy of my childhood and now I have no interest in it whatsoever, and unfortunately, a single good product like Andor just isn't enough to draw me back in.

[@DerichndofCoomland]

@@gobs379 Same here. I'm interested in Andeor season 2, but SW as a whole? Not even slightly, to me it's a dead IP.

[@wingsoffreedom3589]

@@gobs379 for me I like a doe and Jedi Fallen Order / Survivor

[@ImMichaelB]

Merry Crimblo to all my Efap Friends and Family! A MASSIVE thank you to the whole team that works on each project. Y'all make life a lot lighter! I give a heartfelt thankem to the Longo and a Hello headpat for the Raggle! Finally I'd like to wish everyone a safe and prosperous new year! Stay safe and stay awesome y'all!

[@omarimus2260]

It's refreshing to see efap analysing actual good content

[@yaboiportch]

I was wondering why EFAP had been so silent on Andor... MERRY CHRISTMAS!

[@xentiment6581]

Good. Twice the wait, double thE FAP

[@dorianshepard2841]

In the old Legends books, Droid individuality was represented as being tied to their memory core. Droids like R2 who never got memory wiped would develop unique personalities over time. So for most corps and govs it was standard to routinely wipe a Droid memory. Theres also references to specialized AI upgrades some privately owned droids received, so there was a pretty wide range of apparent Droid sentience. In some of the books Luke and Anakin were both chastised by peers at times for not wiping R2's memory

[@akumasstorytime3910]

That makes sense. A human's personality is also very much dependant on their memories. So makes sense the more you have to remember, the more likely it is you act a certain way.

[@Harpagio]

Andor is only going to be 2 seasons. They’re filming it right now, actually. Like the first season, it’s going to have 4 3-episode arcs, but each arc is one year. Season 1 is set 5 years before Rogue One, and then season 2 will fill in the next 4, and they’ve said that the final shot of Andor will be the first shot of Rogue One. (ie Cassian meeting up with the spy in the alleyway)

[@thejemstone9219]

I remember back when it was announced that it was gonna be 5 seasons, one for each year. I'm kinda worried that season 2 is gonna be a bit rushed with the whole 1 year per 3 episodes, but season 1 has definitely given me the hope that they can absolutely pull it off.

[@baphometshorn6349]

It's strange after watching disney piss money away for so long and now with something good they cheap out. Do they seriously not think with all the positive word of mouth that they wouldn't end up with a substantial audience for 4 more seasons? What a bunch of fucking morons; such bullshit.

[@alexhayden219]

I've heard this, too, and I'm saddened because of how good it is compared to the Favreau stuff that's the large majority of what we'll ever get going forward.

[@sivad1025]

@@thejemstone9219 We thought this about House of the Dragon, but that show demonstrated that politics is a slow game with lots of dead time and that skipping said dead time can yield great storytelling

[@This_Is_Something]

EFAP giving us a gift on Christmas! Merriment of Crisis to all of you!

[@Kernwadi]

Amen.

[@Kernwadi]

"Meri Krimbas to all of you my fellow Massives." -Bilbo Baggins

[@patrickbliss9264]

I love how Ant-Man is able to go smaller than the liquid ( Pim Particles ) that makes him small in the first place.

[@brofist1959]

To be fair, do we know how big pim particles are? They could be smaller than quarks, for all I know. It's sci-fi magic science gobbledygook, they could easily say pim particles are 1 millionth the size of a quark to justify everything.

[@GhostLink92]

I thought the concept of shrinking was that you weren't making molecules/atoms smaller, just reducing the space between them.

[@oXRaptorzXo]

The ISB leader Yularen was also Anakin’s admiral in the clone wars series. In the canon Thrawn trilogy, set 5 years before Andor, we learn that he became a colonel in the ISB. Then in the next 5 years I assume he became the head of the ISB.

[@GB-mu9ue]

That old guy was the best thing about this show.

[@oXRaptorzXo]

@@GB-mu9ue he was great, not the best

[@trailduster6bt]

The prison arc could have been its own standalone sci fi movie and I would have loved it. Call it “Star Prison” and change the Imperial uniforms. Could have been a totally new IP

[@zak7an2]

can you believe EFAP spent 8 hours PRAISING a disney star wars show? what hypocrites! they are supposed to hate everything and be negative ALL THE TIME and not actually watch the thing theyre talking about and nitpick and make bad faith arguments and uhhhhhh and they are a massive

[@UltimaTheSeraph]

They were still nitpicking a few things, though.

[@tennesseeponderer3146]

Everyone here should keep in mind that if this show does well more likely than not the lead people at Disney will come in and fuck it up in season two rather than improve the other SW properties

[@dandyman2182]

2:06:26 Syril didn't fluff the numbers it was twelve men but 14 total including him and mosk

[@amuro90]

That moment when MAULER ACTUALLY LIKED THE LASERS.

[@TheGarywolfbarron8]

Two things about Episode 10 Kino Loy is gone. This story is about real people, there is no way he would be able to swim to safety, if he can't swim. Hard to assist someone who can't swim and keep yourself afloat... you know panic and all that stuff. Second, just remember, Rey can swim

[@Xeno_Solarus]

That part was awful though. "I cAnT sWiM"

[@greedgod5827]

​@@Xeno_Solarushe got so caught up in the moment that he forgot that at the end is just ocean

[@joil6649]

Maybe he can go back and find something that floats, then jump.

[@Сайтамен]

Tony Gilroy said that we might see him again.

[@TheGarywolfbarron8]

@@Сайтамен I think he said, "we didn't see him die". I think he is just being ambiguous on purpose. I would be surprised if he is back.

[@samwallaceart288]

The whole Aldhani locals plotline reminds me of how China did the Uighurs (and many others). When I lived in Xinjiang they were on the phase depicted here. Empty homes. Bulldozed landmarks. Pasture lands replaced with trucking routes and infrastructure, manned by racist gov't employees serving a far-off capitol from an outpost they don't even want to occupy. The situation's 1-to-1. Of course now they've moved on to mass detention and forced un-learning of culture and brainwashing programs. And the people there are smart enough to know what's being stolen from them. I'm not super big on working politics into writing. But if I did, this is how I'd do it. Holding up a mirror to specific behaviors that are happening right now. It's about all they can get away with under Disney's thumb.

[@nine7937]

I believe it's more of a reference on how Scotland was "invaded", pushed with how the actors have accents

[@samwallaceart288]

@@nine7937 That too. That's just what _I_ was reminded of. It's widely applicable

[@nine7937]

@@samwallaceart288 yep, oppression looks quite similar most of the time

[@Danbearpig]

Exactly. The problem with politics in this kind of fiction isn’t actually that there’s politics in it, it’s that it’s always there to preach and talk down to the audience. In this case the answer to “how would an oppressive empire behave in this situation and how would they act to suppress local opposition?” is to look at how it’s being done in reality. They don’t preach to the audience, simply have the characters behave plausibly. This show is damn near perfect.

[@ReynRaptor]

I know it's not canon but in the EU Legends novels the Empire's military might was scattered. Alien races had century to millennia old feuds that the Imperial military spent massive amounts of time and personnel suppressing. Pirate fleets and criminal organizations that preyed on outer rim systems during the Old Republic. This is why the Rebels never faced more than a fraction of the Empire in its early days. By the same token, the civilizations of the galaxy couldn't bring themselves to act in complete unity against the Empire, to set aside their grudges. Which is one of my biggest problems with Episode 9 finale.

[@TheWorldBelowDnD]

Mauler describing the intentional switch to "I'm watching a story mode" was so true, at least for me. I was reeling from the show actually being passable, let alone really good.

[@VaderViktor]

One thing to correct you guys on, most of the flashbacks take place before the Clone Wars, which is why the republic is referred to. The insignia on the ship workers' uniforms are apparently a sort of republic symbol, though it later becomes the symbol of the CIS/Separatists.

[@username45739]

So then the Republic genocided a bunch of Red Indians?

[@VaderViktor]

@@username45739 Yes. It seems a bit odd, I know, but that's how the timeline ends up. Maarva even says that the kids killed a republic officer. I imagine they might take this further in later seasons and show a darker side of the republic, or something.

[@username45739]

@@VaderViktor I was wondering whether it was that or just a script error of some sort (maybe a discarded plot outline or something) - at this point who knows though Going for a "Republic is like historical US" wouldn't be too implausible for them to go with, though it wouldn't match the movies that well.

[@VaderViktor]

@@username45739 yeah. I suppose it may also serve to show how irrelevant the galactic Clone Wars is to some people, perhaps confusing one side for another. Furthermore, the fact that it (Kenari) is labelled abandoned after IMPERIAL mining disaster shows one of two things: something terrible happened either just before, or a bit after Cassian left Kenari, or the Empire is retroactively trying to retcon documentation of the Republic in order to reinforce the idea an imperial civilian may have that the Empire is everywhere, and just a part of life.

[@username45739]

@@VaderViktor Yep, all also possible. They'll probably follow up on that plotline, so maybe they'll clear that up - who knows.

[@nagger8216]

I'm surprised they missed that it was Clone Troopers that gunned down Andor's dad, not Stormtroopers. It would've been interesting to hear their comments on that

[@Сайтамен]

When I thought I was for sure done with Star Wars, Disney suddenly releases something good...Is that on purpose?

[@bogovabatina]

It is just OK! And i am not interested to finish it but better than all the rest!

[@2nd_Directorate]

Show is excellent. Funny tho, Kennedy was indeed executive producer on it, but didn´t get involved in it due to it not having a legacy character, and let Tony Gilroy do whatever he wanted. Suddenly we have a good show. Surprise....

[@Сайтамен]

@@2nd_Directorate Well it had Mon Mothma...good thing she forgot...

[@yaboiportch]

It was the right show at the wrong time

[@Relugus]

@therotten6152 Actually, it will make the criticism of Mando S3, Ahsoka, etc, harsher. Because it's shown how much better SW can be.

[@gottesurteil3201]

Dedra is probably the first character I've genuinely reacted with "yass queen slay!"

[@AZKJunaid]

She's the voice of yennefer so makes sense. Being badass is a skill

[@tianathegoose1691]

My dad didn’t like her and my honest reaction was “you just hate to see a girl boss winning”

[@Raine749]

@@tianathegoose1691you owned that sexist

[@AcidifiedMammoth]

Fuck yeah! She's so cool.

[@superbusstarodub]

based dad @@tianathegoose1691

[@Gunleaver]

The bit with the droid "hanging him" could be because that particular model line are assholes and trolls, and maybe it's deliberately taking the command literally to be a dick. That is exactly the sort of move K2SO would pull.

[@doolicious]

“congratulations, you are being rescued” directly after chokeslamming Jin into the ground 😂

[@wilder11]

First Scene of Andor vs third scene with Syril: *slurps drink* "Gentlemen, you had my curiosity - but now you have my attention." I'm glad I finally cracked Andor. I put it off for so long, feeling like it wasn't worth it. But it was. I don't even think its going to save Star Wars, but it's just...nice. It's nice to enjoy Star Wars again, even if it is a little different this time around. It's the good kind of different. It's the anti-TLJ, honestly. It subverts your expectations - but only because Disney ruined your expectations to begin with.

[@willbeard4835]

You expressed my feelings perfectly except I just watched the show for the first time last night. I binged the entire thing and it was very very good.

[@pawelmacpoof5687]

I liked how like in the rebel camp scene they used what looked like sifi camping gear eg the sifi kettle but it wasnt just a prop, its obscure camping gear called a kellykettle, stuff like that.

[@jonsimpson6240]

On the "strap in" trope. The Expanse does it quite well. They don't have inertia damping handwave, and everyone needs acceleration couches and drugs whenever they do hard burns or maneuvering. Several people die, and it's a minor plot point to set up the situation in the first book/season.

[@Matthewsmith-2024]

(Mauler: I don't like the "I'll just grab you and pop you in prison now lul" it's too cartoony) So there's this book. It's about the soviet union. It's called the gulag archipelago. You might've heard of it. The book goes into great detail about how the government would do exactly this and torture people into false confessions so they could make arrest quotas and get cheap labor for the state. In summary yes, that situation was completely realistic for an oppressive regime.

[@jannikgotpanick1469]

Lol, that book series isn't a serious historical account. It exaggerated or caricatured Soviet policy to make a political statement. The actual sequence sequence in Andor builds on themes like in the intro which likely builds on the heavily outspoken Diego Lunas view on South Americans being shaken down by American police. The trooper literally say "tourists don't run". And a lot of people with that background in the US can sign off on that the police will do bullshit like this for no reason.

[@seathatmountain504]

@jannikgotpanick1469 ​What did it exaggerate? The USSR had Gulags, and people sent there for the most minute political infractions. As of now in Russia, a very easy way to go to jail revolves around using the colors blue and yellow incorrectly.

[@nickscope27]

@@jannikgotpanick1469who funded a lot of those regimes in SA??

[@shaunsmith9013]

I feel like the Anvil tower guy is supposed to convey almost a religious experience. Like Ferrix is showing but not telling what it considers sacred. The funeral bricks gives even more of a sense of this almost worship of engineering and sturdiness. Edit: Like they literally chant stone and sky.

[@Danbearpig]

Agreed, and they managed to make it awesome and inspiring to people like us viewers who aren’t even part of that society. My favorite moment of the whole show was that even after she died, Maarva having had her ashes literally baked into a brick gets to deal a brutal physical blow. I literally stood up and cheered. Then I remembered that I’m a white male and according to Disney I’m not supposed to be comfortable with women in my Star Wars. 😆

[@memymomalex]

It's a show so intelligently written, you have to (and want to) watch it again to catch all the little details. Everything every character does and says is imbued with meaning and drives the plot forward.

[@e.c.winner7252]

2:58:30 I feel like the relationship Ciril has with his mother is very representative of the relationships many in the writers’ room have with their own mothers. As the old saying goes, fa$c1sm begins in the home.

[@cameronroy2129]

Something I think they forget to mention, when they are addressing the dead guards it not only shows how competent the boss is but he emphasizes they weren't supposed to be there on the job. Their behavior reflects the company and wrongdoing that is reflected on the company while they have a review coming up, it does way more harm than any kind of positive effect solving the actual story would bring. Covering it up is just the smart thing here for a company.

[@dire213]

I've never watched Rogue One but Andor actually made me interested in it.

[@szeltovivarsydroxan9944]

It's not great. It's the best Disney SW movie, but it's nowhere near as well written as Andor.

[@MediumRareOpinions]

I feel the third act of the film is carrying most of the weight, the middle may drag for you. The action is far more enjoyable and logically thought out than Last Jedi, although it's not perfect.

[@alexhayden219]

It's the best DSW movie. Andor is MUCH better.

[@dualwieldroxas358]

@@MediumRareOpinions the guy who made Andor is the same guy who was called in to fix the last third of Rogue One, as well as added scenes like Cassian shooting the informant who had a bad leg, simply so Cassian himself could escape and the information remained out of Empire hands

[@ianjohnson182]

There was a phrase used to describe the lieutenant guy from the heist arc. Val said his reason for being in on the job, and then said "everyone has their small rebellions." I really liked that, and how it kept coming back, especially in the final episode. The mom had her speech, the parade was a bit earlier than permitted, the kid with his pipe bomb, all little, personal rebellions that shouldn't have amounted to much but grew into something that none of them expected.

[@reaperthegrim5654]

Efap calling andors arrest for doing absolutly nothing an example of the police state empire being cartoonishly evil clearly shows they're lack of knowledge on real life police states. Also Mauler was the one I expected to understand the significance of the scene the most, not the least, since at that time he was the only one who had seen the end credit scene.

[@tabull8180]

Fucking hell. I put this video up as background noice while I do some housework. Just another video where Efap thrashes some Disney stuff. Had to stop listening after an hour, because I felt the need to actually watch it before spoilers.

[@Rokumasu853]

Andor is to Star Wars, as HoTD is to Game of Thrones. Two interesting, well-written stories with great actors giving excellent performances, drilling through the shite surrounding the franchises their based in. The difference between them being I have more faith in HoTD, simply because I’m more confident HBO will let Martin and his writers work and continue to make them money. Meanwhile, Disney is so desperate to make Star Wars profitable and successful again that they won’t be able to help themselves from twisting it into sludge.

[@Aemond2024]

I dont like how HOTD framed the conflict. The Greens get shit in so much they dont want you to support them (wich makes me support them even harder)

[@darkpuppetlordful]

It's telling that Andor is the only Disney+ show to get a run on TV and Hulu. Like they WANT people to see it because they finally GOT ONE good one

[@TheUnoriginal2394]

my favorite part was right after the torture scene where lady was snuck out in a comedically large trench coat

[@apocryphicdeath]

That torture scene was weak AF just like all the violence depicted in the show. Disney's biggest flaw. They have no balls.

[@nagger8216]

@@apocryphicdeathSame, they just made her listen to a bunch of sounds lol. Remember that torture droid with the giant needle in A New Hope when Vader is interrogating Leia? We don't need to see it happen but it's pretty obvious that thing's going to do more than just play a recording of people dying or whatever the hell those headphones did

[@crazycanadian5592]

​@@nagger8216I honestly can't tell if you and the guy you responded to are being sarcastic. Which is either really great or really bad.