Everyone Should Play Sin & Punishment

[@587DeathKing]

After playing this due to the NSO expansion pass, Sin and Punishment became one of my favorite games of all and with Star Successesor this series in general has become one of my favorite series.

[@afxboc]

@@i-lifegaming2809 no one asked but ok

[@hoagieimpact9189]

What I love about this game, you can destroy everything in seconds if you're doing it right. If stuff seems hard or takes more then just a moment to kill you know you're missing something.

[@Kolma]

You guys totally missed out on the control options. The game is designed on pro controller where Both Analogs are aiming and you can use either the d-pad, or Y and X to move left and right. Shoulders and triggers control jump and shooting. When using the N64 controller. Analog is aim, D-pad or c-buttons are used to move left and right. (and likewise X and L/R are your shoot and jump) This game was very versatile on the N64 controller to allow people to either aim with their left or right thumb.

[@ssjduelistDD]

Is this one of the few n64 games that plays better on pro than the n64 controller?

[@Kolma]

@@ssjduelistDD It plays fine on either. It's the only game on NSO N64 that had X and Y changed for C-buttons. So long as you are ok with left and right being at an angle.

[@davidnabbit]

1) Rail shooters don’t get the respect they deserve. Yes, this is a rail shooter. 2) Sin & Punishment 2 is even better. 3) Treasure games tend to have amazing gameplay, but semi-nonsensical stories. Just sit back and enjoy the experience.

[@stevenn1940]

I wish the point that, its a series of rail shooters, was made much, much earlier. And personally, I think rail shooters get precisely the right amount, or more than, of respect. They're fun, only if the following 4 conditions have been met: in an arcade, with a friend, with drinks, and with obnoxiously large lightguns.

[@davidnabbit]

@@stevenn1940 Lightgun shooters are a separate sub-genre, IMO.

[@Garbagehead5]

I know this is an unpopular opinion, but I've always thought Sin & Punishment was a better rail shooter franchise than Star Fox has ever been.

[@MakenaForest]

and youd be right, because s&p has the balls to break rail shooter tradition (3-2, 2-2) frequently.

[@MalikM-VGM-Rand]

@@MakenaForest Yep!

[@Darkchao_berserko22]

Had star fox 64 and this on wii. And I safely say while I did liked Star fox 64. I had more fun with sin and punishment

[@superpowerman4354]

Fact

[@HeroC14]

Ok but which one has 4 player mode? I rest my case.

[@newageBoundhippie]

still one of my absolute favorite games! it's borderline criminal that none of the music from either Sin & Punishment game got used in Smash...Raid Blue in particular is one of the coolest songs in Nintendo history

[@hoagieimpact9189]

It's much more criminal that Saki is not a playable character.

[@newageBoundhippie]

@@hoagieimpact9189 he's been one of my most wanted 1st party newcomers since Brawl, so I can't argue with that. Not sure exactly how his moveset might be aside from obviously turning into his Ruffian form for his Final Smash though

[@hoagieimpact9189]

@@newageBoundhippie Pit stole Saki's spot on the roster just like Sakurai stole Sin and Punishment's gameplay for Kid Icarus Uprising. He's done him dirty twice. Saki would have been a great fit in Smash 64 as some kind of promo fighter. Banjo, Goemon, and Bomberman would have been perfect fits as well during the N64 generation.

[@unnamed7485]

@@hoagieimpact9189 Saki is a Mii Costume at least, but it isn't quite the same as playable. Worst part is, Saki and Pit made their Smash debuts in the same Smash...

[@bluedye4068]

Risk One's Neck is a banger

[@chrislaustin]

This game was epic on so many levels, and I actually imported it originally due to the word of mouth I heard at the time. This game 100% needs to be played with the original N64 controller, there is a learning curve no doubt, but once mastered, there is just no other way to play. This is a top 5 N64 for me, no question, and may even be top 3, it's that damn good.

[@soraudagawa3022]

Honestly I think a normal controller works better. The trident was never comfortable to me haha

[@blakecasimir]

I thoroughly agree. And this game had one of the greatest soundtracks on the n64.

[@Melorific]

One of my main reasons to get the expansion pack. I played the sequel on the wii and it's still amongst my most favorite games ever to this day. I finished the game last week. The controls definitely took some getting used to. I'm definitely going to replay this game sometimes... hopefully on difficulties higher than easy.

[@alinepiroutek8932]

If you have a Wii, I recommend getting Star Sucessor too. My friends have a blast playing it because their platfforms don't have a game like it.

[@timothykirby4406]

Best game on Wii

[@alinepiroutek8932]

@@timothykirby4406 Oh yeah

[@aname4931]

I've been absolutely loving it so far! I've never played anything like it. It gives me strong Neon Genesis Evangelion vibes.

[@burninghammer83]

F

[@PopMusicKiller]

S&P is one of those games where all the story is in the manual. Apparently it's a Treasure tradition.

[@msanchez1680d]

The graphics on this game are very impressive coming from the N64 engine, I cannot imagine how this game blows people minds by that time.

[@googamp32]

Already played it, already LOVE it!

[@MalikM-VGM-Rand]

I couldn't agree more. Everyone should play this, (but maybe not on switch). This series is very dear to me, and I'm just happy to see so many people's first experiences with it. It's great! Edit: It's also hilarious to hear you guy's opinions and tactics against the bosses while also mispronouncing the characters names, lmaooo 😂

[@samconduct1356]

Got this on Wii back in 2007. One of my all time favourites. Safe to say I've mastered those boss fights. Did you know you can knock missiles back at enemies?

[@MakenaForest]

thats something you have to learn to beat the game lmao. the final boss is pretty much just that, but you also cant beat 2-3 without it.

[@J1R629]

Treasure, along with Cave, was too good for the video game industry. While other companies chase trends and big market success, Treasure stuck to its core ethos of producing incredible, high quality action games. Its such a shame they couldn’t find that mainstream love as they deserved so much better.

[@Kaslo25]

It's the Rule of the Eggshell Plaintiff. Effectively someone can't argue just because someone is more susceptible to being injured doesn't decrease your liability for causing an injury.

[@SpiderHam]

This was a nice surprise with the N64 games! I can’t wait for Paper Mario!!

[@7thsaga662]

This game is still referenced as Glass Solider in the end credits.

[@coolchannelize15]

Brought it on Wii U never played it but I love N64 games

[@sladejosephwilson2300]

Play it. Its awesome

[@coolchannelize15]

@@sladejosephwilson2300 yeah I like it

[@oak3684]

I love the Sin and Punishment games. The second one was all right but the classic N64 one remains the absolute best. I wish it had gotten a remake like Star Fox 64 on the 3DS. The 3D effect would have looked awesome in this game.

[@MalikM-VGM-Rand]

While I agree, I personally much prefer SP1 over 2, but a 3DS port/Remake would be odd given the controls don't you think?

[@bluedye4068]

​@@MalikM-VGM-Randaiming with the stylus like most ds shooters

[@MalikM-VGM-Rand]

@bluedye4068 Damn, you're kinda right. Kid Icarus does exist after all. But, having to jump, change reticles all while holding the pen in one hand, is still awkward to me.

[@bluedye4068]

@MalikM-VGM-Rand Yeah and it makes holding it kinda awkward. No perfect control scheme for DS/3DS shooters.

[@bluedye4068]

@MalikM-VGM-Rand Pro tip don't change reticles just use manual its way better

[@VaraxEstin]

I really hope since they brought this to the online service, that they put Star Successor on the eShop. I had it on the Wii and absolutely loved it, even though I was complete garbage at it.

[@why3994]

"no excuse" > 50 bucks for n64 game

[@denisruskin348]

For renting a n64 game

[@conspiracyspider]

and genesis games.

[@micabryant4513]

Er Yuh that's all you get for the 50.....🙄

[@erikludwig5515]

It’s almost like they give you a whole bunch of other things than just a single N64 game…….

[@roskiart8750]

@@erikludwig5515 And they aren't enough, that's for sure. Not for that price and constraints.

[@grahamgilmore42]

Bought the expansion pack for Star Fox, Mario Tennis, and Mario Kart. Stayed for Sin and Punishment.

[@shulkash8799]

The comment on the video is meant for people that already have the expansion pack. If you have you have it, don’t have an excuse not to try it. If you don’t have it, then the question wasn’t meant for you and was meant to the people that already have it.

[@sladejosephwilson2300]

This game is easier once you realize that melee attacks can destroy and reflect bombs and missiles. You can mash on it too. Also double jumping and dodging is good. I recommend switching to the auto lock on while shooting and moving. It helps.

[@mathewg1747]

That’s part of the fun is figuring that out.

[@y0av359]

Star successor is even better

[@paperluigi6132]

Finally bought the expansion pack 2 days ago and this was the first game I tried out on the N64 app. As of this writing, I have not beaten the second level yet, but everything up to that point has been enough to keep me engrossed and determined to push through. Edit: finally beat it just now. And after reading others reviews, if the main criticism for your game is that it’s too short, that means you did everything else right if people want more of it. I think a remake of the game should slightly rewrite the story in order to accommodate more levels into it, as long as the ending remains intact. Now I wait to see if I find a copy of Star Successor first, or the game comes to Switch first. I already knew who Saki at least was thanks to Brawl and Smash 4, but now I fully get his origin.

[@dondavid6514]

They should re-release sin and punishment star successor from the Wii To switch The aiming with the pointer of the switch is so good And could work with the switch gyro aim I hope this gets a lot of traction

[@BigHit9922]

This game freaking rocks I just started it

[@RiceBowlS3]

The thumbnail: No excuses, Everyone should play Sin and Punishment Me: I have carpal tunnel syndrome...

[@BurtKocain]

Bought this the week it came out on Wii when I was a teen. Love this game and the sequel is also phenomenal.

[@bass2126]

Everyone should play Treasure games.

[@kawanxros]

true!

[@BasedKiliK]

Great game! But I highly recommend getting it on the Wii or Wii U Virtual Console over NSO.

[@jackson633]

Wii VC has been down since 2019.

[@BasedKiliK]

@@jackson633 That really sucks. Well, there are other ways to get old games, lol…

[@jackson633]

@@BasedKiliK Nintendo Life won't ever tell us about them though lol

[@MalikM-VGM-Rand]

Unfortunately, that leaves the Wii U as the cheapest way to play both Sin & Punishment 1&2. (Besides Emulators and Homebrew.)

[@clumsysandbocks5650]

There really is no point in doing a twenty minute discussion video if only 1/3 members has finished the game

[@iampierre86]

Nobody talks about Jet Force Gemini.... it’s in my top 3 n64 games... hope it comes to the expansion

[@andreworders7305]

They set the game in Japan and released it in Japan, but it is voiced in English

[@sladejosephwilson2300]

I have Star successor on the wii. I also own the 1st game earth successor on my wii, wiiu, and bought the nintendo 64 version of the game. This series is so epic! I would kill for a 3rd game

[@ianboast9928]

I played it Jon and I think it's one of the greatest games ever made. Hopefully the Wii game will come to the Switch one day.

[@michaelhoule2134]

F for lost Pinky's.

[@DragAmiot]

There is a hardcoded translation patched rom floating around out there, FYI.

[@jonasking9587]

Yes. It's Treasure.

[@conspiracyspider]

Nah I've played it back in 2015 was really fun bought the sequel it was ok. I rather they remake the game than pay for the expansion.

[@animalbancho1726]

0:20 the way Jon says “treasure” sounds exactly like the ghost chomp sound from Pac-Man

[@ErickVideoGameGuy]

Well, I'm going to play this game right now, great video. F for the pinkies.

[@harrisonwhaley7872]

I’m just glad that this game is understandable to a certain degree for English speaking players. Not having to step away to a translation of the dialogue or any other distraction from pure gameplay can deter some players. So when I booted this up as the first title on NSO N64, I was shocked to be greeted with English VA

[@paperluigi6132]

The English VO was one of the reasons this game was easily brought over via Virtual Console in 2007. They made sure to translate all unvoiced text, however. Now what I’m curious about is why back then they decided to use English VO. I know the Japanese think of English as a cool language, but did they do that because they knew ahead of time that foreigners would try to import the game?

[@bouky96]

Just discovered the game 20 years ago omfg%

[@c.o.g.777]

F for those poor lil pinkys! Lol!

[@Kraftium]

GET BONUS

[@BigMacOrange]

I just got this on my wii u a few months ago

[@TheCartoonGamer8000]

Welp, I bought the game on Wii U Virtual Console on your recommendation, and you know what? I really enjoyed it. The controls needed some remapping, and I should've started out on Easy Mode, but another playthrough felt so much better.

[@yellowletters9465]

Hey if only Sin and Punishment Successor of Skies would get a release :(

[@magicjohnson3121]

The controls aren’t bad. If you emulate just change the buttons to your liking.

[@dwinters6291]

The excuse is not paying $50 for a shitty online service

[@jkhalcyon]

F for the pinkies

[@offbeatninja]

I'm pretty sure it is. But I'm not paying $50 to rent this classic.

[@Fahntayn.]

I played this game on PC n64 emulator . Good ass game

[@psd_seth]

Interesting. I just finished Ocarina of Time on NSO and need a new game to play. I wasn’t sure about this game, but if it’s only an hour or two long, it might be worth a try.

[@nicholasdiaz1925]

Oh it's definitely worth a try! The story is complete nonsense, but it's a non-stop thrill ride and fun throughout the entire run. It's short, but that honestly helps make it more digestible and replayable as well

[@teneesh3376]

And the sequel is way better. Shame it's only on the wii

[@psd_seth]

@@nicholasdiaz1925 Just finished it! You’re right, the story is nonsense, but the gameplay is fun. It’s a really nice length; the game knows when to stop before it gets repetitive. Maybe I’m just bad at that kind of game, but I found the “easy” mode plenty difficult-I even had to use suspend points at times. It took me about two and a half hours to play the whole thing.

[@teneesh3376]

@@TheDinoKitteh oh of course. I'll just get my wii u that I definitely have

[@hoagieimpact9189]

@@nicholasdiaz1925 Why is the story nonsense? It's hard to understand because it's fast paced, unconventional, bold, demanding, and over the top, but I can assure you it makes sense. It's quite epic if you realize what's happening, and the Wii sequel is a straight continuation.

[@Pownchao]

This is actually the biggest reason I want to get the expansion pack. It's always been a game I wanted to try out after seeing the character in Smash.

[@jetpackandbutlers5915]

Project 64 exists

[@Pownchao]

@@jetpackandbutlers5915 you're right, and I'm not against emulating games and all that, but I always prefer playing on official hardware and releases if I can help it. This is just one reason to get the expansion, and it's already on a console I use more frequently. Truth be told, I just don't feel comfortable playing on emulators most of the time. Not that there's really anything wrong with the emulators themselves (unofficial ones are usually better than anything Nintendo puts out), but I guess I just don't feel comfortable playing on a PC or a Phone. I don't what it is, but I just can't get behind it most times. Only if there really is no other way to play an old game I'm interested in.

[@andreworders7305]

Why doesn’t it let you use both sticks in this version?

[@pretzel6629]

Also, go play Wild Guns on SNES, that game is a banger

[@darrenmcfadden6744]

Just started playing on my Wii U where I can map all the controls and make it twin sticks, agagagagagagagag!!

[@rg03500]

My excuse is that I don't feel like it

[@7thsaga662]

What I do know with the story is, the kid in Sin and Punishment 2 is the child of Saki and Airan from this game. You play in a subway dream sequence stage protecting him.

[@MalikM-VGM-Rand]

Yeah, you play as Isa (Their son) and Kachi (Achi from S&P1).

[@7thsaga662]

@@MalikM-VGM-Rand ❤❤✊🏾 That's right. Spot on. I wish they do more.

[@sleepinglionarchives]

Played it well over a decade ago on the Wii's VC, great title

[@philatio1744]

Played earlier this year on a pc emulator, didn’t finish it but good ass game

[@Jahranimo_]

Thanks for the reminder, I will finally play this soon.

[@sonickhable]

Not for the nso extra price

[@Fahntayn.]

The music is dope too

[@ninemugetsu]

Based title

[@Trakker1985]

Guys I'm not paying for the expansion pass just to play sin and punishment. that's my excuse lol

[@andreworders7305]

“Accessible” at $60 a year

[@PikaLink91]

Reads title: Okay then, time to boot up the emulator. (no, I'm not buying the expansion just for this)

[@regularweasel5411]

Where can I see Highscores? I am so good in this game hahah I have to see some competition yo!

[@andreworders7305]

Wait, Kid Icarus Uprising is a spiritual successor to this?

[@jaypostromboli-jpgamertv-457]

More so the second game, which looks practically identical to Uprising’s air stages.

[@magicjohnson3121]

Amazing game. Totally worth playing.

[@souit957]

Fuck now I have to play this, before I get stabbed in a dark alley by Jon

[@Surfer669]

F in the chat

[@Fabriciod_Crv]

Good, let me get my project 64 running.

[@AllieRX]

Yeah, but not through NSO. Play it on a real N64, the Wii U Virtual Console (while it's still active), and of course emulators.

[@VideoGamingKaos]

I 100% agree with this I just played it the first time today and loved it. Odd that it's English voice acted with Japanese subtitles lol and Japanese menu's

[@MREEELEEE]

But what if I don’t WANT to play Sin and Punishment?

[@MalikM-VGM-Rand]

Then at least, listen to the OST. Not everyone likes games like this but I feel, everyone can enjoy the music.

[@BuThUb]

It makes more sense after a second playthrough, but not in a good way.

[@mrbransformer4184]

Yes!!! Love the non Zion videos. I like his writing just not a fan of his voice….. oh wait damn he just popped up on the video:(

[@VIP-Princess]

I have the sequel

[@INhumanLAST]

I want to play it but I don't want to support Nintendo practice of overcharging nso

[@neilsunderland7691]

Totally agree! Great game that deserves to be played!

[@harrisonwhaley7872]

F for pinkies

[@boricuatj]

F for the pinkies!

[@WarriorOfTheLostLand]

Wait, there’s a slash attack?

[@SSJBurrito]

Aight, lemme get my rom.

[@Michaelflexin]

Jon: we’ve all played through S&P Me: wow Zion actually played the game there reviewing today Zion: I haven’t made it all the way through Me: bruh Jon: it’s only a little over an hour to complete Me: BRUH!!!!

[@michaelmonzon]

I dislike that guy, so much

[@Kraftium]

pretty sure he said he hadn't streamed the end of it but he mentioned he'd play it outside of streaming so its safe to say he likely beat it

[@0MPMatt]

One excuse: I ain't paying for a janky expansion to the NSO. 👎

[@fireblood4699]

Lol for those curious, America does have a corollary principle to the “thin skull plaintiff” 😂

[@Christopher-md7tf]

I'm gonna play it, but not on the over-priced trainwreck that is NSO. Edit: Or maybe not if the ending is like "End of Evangelion". I'm probably going to need five more years of therapy for that lol

[@jetpackandbutlers5915]

Good game, played it on Project64 (Im not spending 50 dollars just to play 25 years old games), for me it wasn't that amazing, good game though

[@sladejosephwilson2300]

I dont think it would be a bad deal. If there was a lot more games. But, the amount they offer and the poor emulation(except this game has good emulation) is not worth the price. Age doesn't matter its the quality and quantity that matters.

[@chironthecuddley6144]

I would if I didn't have to pay for the overpriced expansion pass. I guess I'll just wait for this version to get ripped and put online.

[@seanyproductions]

get bonus

[@alexanderraab322]

This is The Game why my Wii Stands behind my TV! I buy it for a Dollar with some Others Games and The expirience was aseome. I bought a boxed Version later. Ist Stands in my Collection with: House of The Dead 2,3 and Overkill. You cant Beat The Game in a Hour. In Easy maybee.But you miss some Stages. On Switch the Game ist absolute Not good. It must be played with Wii Mote and Nunchuck. With Motion Plus its brillant.

[@ThePhobos100]

Even if the story is nonsensical, the game play of it is good.