Everything Wrong With Dr. Strange in the Multiverse of Madness in 25 Minutes or Less

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Dr. Strange in the Multiverse of Madness is a pretty wild movie that takes some big swings and it has some cool Sam Raimi stuff too. Oh, and sins. It has sins.
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[@ozzie6447]

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[@jimb.7523]

I wonder if you can sin "John Carpenter's The Thing" by next Halloween?

[@starfoxer64]

It’s been 4 years…but whatever happened to Brand Sins

[@carson4288]

Can u do Indiana Jones and the last Crusade u covered the rest of the Indiana Jones series but you left out the best film

[@yokolyon8553]

SIN "DON'T WORRY DARLING" PLEASE SIN IT PLEASE FOR THE LOVE OF GOD SIN DON'T WORRY DARLING

[@failedartist3994]

I'm still bitter about Vision being completely forgotten from this storyline

[@angelespeters9358]

He isnt forgotten its just that in every universe (if youve read the comics espicially house of m and wandavision) vision and wanda are destined to break apart theres never a happy ending. Wanda has acepted that but hasnt accepted it about her kids.

[@chasehedges6775]

The writers: WE KINDA FORGOT

[@punchtothegut]

the theory is that white vision is assembling the west coast avengers, but i dont think that justifies him neglecting wanda lol

[@Awestefeld6612]

@@chasehedges6775 like when Wanda said she had to kill the man she loved? That kind of forgot?

[@angelespeters9358]

@@punchtothegut i think its more justifiable that white vision is assembling the young avengers considering we've got Mrs. Marvel, Hawkeye, Chavez, iron heart, kang, and even elijah bradley. It makes more sense to me

[@rafiq403]

Something I've never understood is why would Wanda take over another Wanda's family. Surely in the multiverse there is at least one where she died and left two orphans behind who need a mother.

[@summertyme5748]

Why does she need someone else's children anyway. She has 3 options that don't involve murder - or trying to kill yourself - when you recognize the obvious after two hours of silly horror shenanigans. 1) Have a baby - like women can. {Raimi and Waldron seem confused about this] 2) Adopt 3) Bring back your Hex Babies - you are the one who eliminated them in the 1st place...remember. [geez they are the same characters, with same names, same age, same actors as the ones you created and then erased in Wanda Vision. Want them back...bring them back.] _Wanda alters reality at will, and to an unlimited degree_ - Wong Then dear Wong - why does she need to snatch babies from across the multiverse??? The original plot was about a demon [Nightmare/Mephisto??] who actually *threatened* Billy and Tommy. Wanda Vision ended with them *crying out for help.* In Raimi/Waldron's stupid version of the story - they were never in danger or in need of help - nor is there any explanation for why - in Wanda Vision - she ever heard them crying out for help. Raimi and Waldron don't remember cuz they never saw Wanda Vision. Hence they are scarcely able to grasp the huge plot holes in their story.

[@mingfanzhang8927]

I invite everyone to read the holy Quran

[@aidencampbell9120]

@@summertyme5748 In the show its cause its her and visions kid which idk how thats even possible but there it is.

[@jordankeller4253]

The Rick and Morty option! But yeah, you're totally right. Especially considering there are supposed to be infinite universes, there literally has to be some exactly as you described. It's such an easy answer, that it feels like a glaring plot hole that it isn't even considered. edit: Plus everything @Summer Tyme said, too. There are so many other options that Wanda just doesn't consider, she acts as if the only possible option is that she steals the children of another, existing, most likely innocent Wanda, when that wouldn't be the case because that's not how the multiverse works.

[@mingfanzhang8927]

@@jordankeller4253 #FreeTaiwan #FreeHongKong #FreeTibet

[@summertyme5748]

*Benedict Cumberbatch* tried to warn us: _“Yeah. Well… yeah that’s part of the problem,” Cumberbatch replied. “There’s a lot of stuff going on in it. It’s like, do I have a character arc in this? Is it working?”_ He knew.

[@andimari9194]

Not only that, but I remember one of his managers or someone working for him or SOMEONE working to that effect was saying “are you still in the movie?” Everyone knew. If I can find it I’ll link it here but like you said. Benedict and others were commenting on how they kept taking more of strange out as time went by

[@mingfanzhang6153]

I invite everyone to read the holy Quran #EtrachanSawIt

[@mingfanzhang8927]

Happy year of the yin water rabbit 💦🐰

[@summertyme5748]

The film's ill motivated premise is completely ignorant of the character, and the previous chapters of the story they are supposedly telling. Wanda can bring the children she let go back if she wants them. THE END. The film doesn't have any answer or explanation for WHY she doesn't just bring her Billy and Tommy back. Because Raimi didn't watch WandaVision and isn't really aware that this is a glaring problem. It's not like she LOST her children. She simply *accepted* that she had to let them go. So if she no longer accepts that - BRING THEM BACK. There is no -> *i'm going to leave this reality....and run away to another one* where I can be with SOMEONE ELSES children. That is just mindbogglingly fking stupid on the part of the writers. Wanda created her children (as women do) in the 1st place by - altering reality (as Wanda does) - which she can do to an unlimited degree - so she would not need to run away to another reality and be with SOMEONE ELSE's children. lol. Then she KILLS HERSELF when she figures out her idiotic plan - can't ever work. Arrgh. This fking stupid film. lol.

[@mingfanzhang6153]

@@summertyme5748 cope

[@anamihajlovic7715]

Wanda: *can fly* Also Wanda: *runs barefoot on glass*

[@mingfanzhang8927]

I invite everyone to read the holy Quran ☪️

[@conserztasfia0078]

And also why is she limping? Whose blood is it on her face? (no way its her blood the illuminati couldn't bat an eye on her let alone scarring her forehead)

[@mingfanzhang6153]

I invite everyone to read the holy Quran ☪️

[@Giran023]

She wanted to do a die hard cosplay

[@brightblackhole2442]

@@mingfanzhang8927 i invite myself to your home

[@Bendrix27]

Forcing us to listen to the ice cream song again is simply unforgivable. The severe cringe from watching it the first time all those months ago was only just starting to wear off.

[@the.abhiram.r]

it's like the first scene of josstice league "it's for our pod cast" 💀💀

[@ajeebdastaan647]

Bro this version was still okay The hindi dubbed version was just soooo bad. I laughed so loud due to cringe in theater and then couldn't get serious throughout the film

[@InstaFiz]

They are literal children 💀

[@thaboiinblue]

I’ve been watching Sailor Moon, so when I hear “unforgivable” I keep expecting someone to follow with punishing someone in the name of the moon.

[@PhilieBlunt666]

Omg for real! I've never been a fan of children, but after ... Experiencing that... I immediately began praying for multiple child murder in the worst ways... 😆

[@trifectumart]

I find it hilarious how Chavez somehow missed every single spiderman in the multiverse, despite the fact that spiderman travels across worlds every ten minutes and basically has giant parties with himself

[@Jl18086]

Invite me to the Spider-Man party

[@aidanfoley6463]

But here’s the thing, she’s only been in about 70 universes in a total of infinite universes. I don’t think it’s totally unreasonable to believe that she didn’t find a Spider-Man in the short amount of universes she’s been through.

[@alejotassile6441]

I think everybody is missing that the spell that made everyone forget about spiderman might have propagated across all realities, because that's kinda what was happening when "reality fractured" in the spiderman movie

[@ligtningdog6399]

@@alejotassile6441 The spell was to make people forget who Peter Parker was, no who Spider-man is. Chavez just didn't have a chance to meet one.

[@liamwarner5749]

@@aidanfoley6463 I like the fact she goes "food is free in most unviverses" when she's visited a sample of 70 out of infinite. Chavez "Food is free in most of the world" Random person "Didn't you only live in a small town in the Russian mountains during the height of the communist regime?" Chavez "So?"

[@finnthemcgamer]

I’m actually mad he didn’t give Reed like 400 sins for telling Wanda how to kill Black Bolt. Definitely a missed opportunity 😂😭

[@summertyme5748]

File the scene under - low IQ film writers dealing with genius fictional characters. It's like oil and water - doesn't mix.

[@mingfanzhang8927]

I invite everyone to read the holy Quran

[@mingfanzhang6153]

I invite everyone to read the holy Quran

[@mingfanzhang8927]

私は皆に聖クルアーンを読むことを勧めます

[@mingfanzhang6153]

@@summertyme5748 أدعو الجميع لقراءة القرآن الكريم

[@KatieMaddalena]

The Loki show really made it seem like Multiverse of Madness would focus on the TVA and branching timelines in some way. But the writer for this movie decided it would be cooler to use their self insert fanfiction character and destroy Wanda's entire character arc instead. Brilliant! That last bit was sarcasm.

[@summertyme5748]

No you're right. There's a screen rant article that's somewhat on point discussing how phase 4 is messed up because the order of films is out of wack. Was supposed to be Guardians 3, Multiverse of Madness , No Way Home. But it ended up all twisted round - James Gunn was fired, hired and now has left for DC. Scott Derrickson - fired, Covid 19 hit, Sony demanded to keep going with No Way Home. As a result neither MOM nor No Way Home make a lick of sense.

[@summertyme5748]

Also they are repeating the mistakes of Star Wars that JJ and Rian fought over. Plot points set up in prior movies are forgotten or retconned into nonsense in the next chapter. Wanda Created Tommy, Billy and Vision in the Hex but let them all go. She heard Billy and Tommy screaming for help at the end of WandaVision: That was supposed to set off a plot with Nightmare where she believed the children did really exist but were in danger. Instead - we get a film that makes no sense where she just decides she wants Tommy and Billy back - but not the ones she and Vision created but rather from another Universe - requiring her to kill the real mother of the children...and....something/something America Chavez which has fug all to do with any of this. lol. Then she figures out that's nuts, and tries to kill herself. But...no one believes that, so she'll be back. So the whole thing was just a waste of time, like the worst comic books, and the worst Marvel movies per Martin Scorsese and Francis Coppola. Just garbage writing.

[@mingfanzhang6153]

I invite everyone to read the holy Quran

[@mingfanzhang8927]

I invite everyone to read the holy Quran

[@babyfaceweeb8937]

Weirdly it's the plot of the next Ant man Movie.

[@obinnaonyeije]

Let's talk about the villain's plan. Surprised there was no sin about Wanda sharing her motivation with Wong in the temple. "What if my kids got sick?" felt oddly lazy. She could've said something more like, "I want to protect my children in EVERY universe," and that would not only make more sense for the story, but would've also made her feel like even more of a threat to reality itself. Edit: People, I get that she's acting like a mother, and I get that she's being driven insane. I'm saying I want her to be even MORE insane.

[@nicholasdruce5346]

She was a terrible Marvel villain, but a good Disney villain.

[@KonariVibez]

@@nicholasdruce5346 I think the idea was that she was so far gone that even her arguments weren't making sense. And it helps us identify with the good guys of the story rather than feel justified for Wanda

[@JustTubbyRich]

Nooooooo, it made sense that she would see it like an emotional human being. The REAL mystery is WHY you goobers keep giving Disney your money and time, only to come on social media and be a complete FRAUD just for "likes" and other interactions. Are you ok? Do you need to talk to someone? Didn't you say you were done agtet finding out the direction they were going? Didn't you whine about the Star Wars prequels only to still be around to marvel at The Mandalorian? Didn't you say you were done after the Gina Carano thing? Aren't you upset about The Little Mermaid? Why are you still here?

[@JustTubbyRich]

@@nicholasdruce5346 was that supposed to be witty? Insightful? Smh...🙄

[@air03man]

Brought to you by "Black Panther 2 wakanda forever" featuring 2 bonus end credit scenes in theaters this Friday honor the late Chadwick Boseman Legacy!

[@randehmarshgames4608]

WandaVision gave proper closure to Wanda with the death of Vision and helped her realize she cant live lies because she just hurts everyone in that process I absolutely LOVE how this movie completely backtracks over every second of that

[@uncannydcmarvelous5732]

By the perfect excuse that the Darkhold has an influence on her mind to not think straight.

[@daveagard1884]

Except it didn’t

[@ingeaten]

They did tease that though in the post credit scene

[@georgeheilman885]

@@jewfukaninja I think they meant WandaVision's post-credits scene.

[@ingeaten]

@@georgeheilman885 yeah

[@maxisenberg9093]

I want to know 1. Why do the infinity stones only work in their respective universe, but some random spell can effect them all? 2. Why are America's portals star shaped?

[@summertyme5748]

So MCU is a mess right now, because phase IV writers either do not understand phase I thru III or, and this is more to the point, they really don't give a flying F. 1) In Infinity Saga - there is no random magic spell to solve the Infinity Stones. If there were then none of the story can make any sense at all. Even the death of the Ancient One and choice of Strange to become Sorcerer Supreme is rendered pointless and devoid of narrative logic, stakes or meaning. [very clear that Raimi and Waldron are *not* thinking about that and don't care] This is a plot hole made up in *this* film. With disregard and disrespect for all that came before. 2) In the Infinity Saga - the stones function in any and every universe and dimension. The whole point of Endgame is that they travel the multiverse gathering the stones from universes in which they exist, to bring them to the Universe where Thanos snapped and undo the snap here. Those who don't get this....don't understand the film. They then take the stones back to the universes from whence they came - at the exact moment - so that in terms of *time* the stones never left that Universe. I don't think Sam Raimi cares one wit, about any of that. He is just making an evil dead movie where Wanda goes: _I'll swallow your soul!!!_ And Benedict gets zombie arms and 3rd eye *instead of Bruce Campbell's much cooler chain saw arm.* 🤣

[@mingfanzhang8927]

I invite everyone to read the holy Quran

[@maxisenberg9093]

@@mingfanzhang8927 only if you read the scriptures from all other faiths...and a science textbook...and stop trolling/harassing on literally every post

[@mingfanzhang6153]

I invite everyone to read the holy Quran

[@randomdudez00]

@@summertyme5748 In Endgame they didn't travel to other universes though. They traveled through time

[@williamgressman4001]

he missed when the handcuffs on america in the cage mysteriously disappear

[@mingfanzhang8927]

I invite everyone to read the holy Quran

[@poweroffriendship2.0]

I can't imagine how terrifying Black Bolt's superpowers really is if he accidently stubbed his toe on the table.

[@TheWarmachine375]

Or having hiccups

[@SnobbyBird_]

What if he sneezes?

[@watcherzero5256]

Can you imagine if someone tickled him?

[@feathero3]

Everyone here just ruined Black Bolt's powers for me, and it was hilarious to imagine each scenario 😆

[@iwatchwithnoads7480]

or he came

[@mattbrendlen]

5:13 I'm actually fully invested in the theory that Strange saw SEVERAL possibilities where they were able to defeat Thanos without handing over the time stone, but he saw that to do so would doom all life on Earth via the impending Emergence (see Eternals). So he let Thanos "win" knowing it would put the celestial back to sleep so that the Eternals could destroy it six years later, thus sparing all life on Earth...

[@stefanostcyr6851]

Sounds good but they later brought everyone back negating that entirely

[@fifaisscripted]

Yup, he needed a scenario where everyone wins, even Thanos.

[@fifaisscripted]

@@stefanostcyr6851 but at that point the eternals had a new boss, who wanted to prevent the emergence. The old one would probably have allowed it

[@stefanostcyr6851]

@@fifaisscripted then it all falls under how far ahead he saw,

[@TamLe-vb5ig]

Oooohhh I like this point

[@Artixcss]

Is no one going to talk about the undeserved sin at 3:39? She guessed that because thats how real spiders shoot webs.

[@2geezgodaries]

😂😂😂 you’re right

[@mingfanzhang8927]

XD #JustMonika#Ramadan#LarryLawton #natsuki#Nightcore#BangDream

[@mreshadow]

That's exactly what I thought

[@user-ep8ns6hg4q]

A lot of these are undeserved.

[@mingfanzhang8927]

Happy birthday 🎁🎂🎈🎉🎊 day

[@robbyfresh69]

The "Reed Richards Quiet Place" sin was so smoothly thrown in there it damn near gave me whip lash 💀💀

[@izzisart]

My main issue with this film is that in the first Doctor Strange, it's clearly stated they use the sling rings to travel the Multiverse. Meaning by Marvel's own internal logic, America's powers aren't that unique, and all Wanda needed to do was frisk Wong for his ring. (Or temporarily join the Wizards and get given one in training)

[@Troll_vs.]

Not to mention why can't they portal without a sling ring? Are we to believe that no other portaling magic exists outside of the rings? Like it doesn't have to be across dimensions but point A to point B portaling should exist

[@izzisart]

@@Troll_vs. I'm perfectly fine with the idea you need a sling ring to portal, as often with magic you need set "rules" for the audience's benefit, and it does just that. But America's powers do then break that rule and give you reason to ask that question, whereas before there was no reason not to accept it as was.

[@reallyhimongod]

@@Troll_vs. the space stone you could teleport with, Thanos did multiple times.. not to mention the warp gate tech that the Guardian’s have in their ship they can travel the Universe with it like Rocket did in that hyperspace incident there was also Reed Richards Time Window that he teleported in the High Room with.. the Bi-Frost as well teleports.. but as in Multiversal no the sling rings have not shown they can do that only in our own Universe they maybe were referring to the Mirror Dimension as that is outside of our Universe but like other Universes no the sling ring cannot travel to them..

[@izzisart]

@@reallyhimongod But the Ancient One does literally say in the first Doctor Strange movie that sling rings are used to travel throughout the Multiverse Edit: My mistake, it's Mordo that says it. But it specifically is "they allow us to travel throughout the Multiverse."

[@tiffanyhodgdon3484]

How about in Infinity War when Strange is like, “Oh great we’re stuck on this ship” like my brother in Christ you can teleport anywhere in the universe.

[@DrCinemaJunkie]

I was practically screaming over them not closing the door when they got to the book of Vishanti. Its not like they could go back? They caused a structurel collapse, but they had to stand there with the door open so Wanda could show up. This movie had a lot wrong with it but somehow that was what had me nearly screaming in the theatre.

[@alexpena4091]

Might be a stretch but perhaps the closed door wouldn't really matter against Wanda what should a happened is Strange should of just teleported them all away when he grabbed the book

[@mingfanzhang4600]

I invite everyone to read the holy Quran..

[@shadowscythes]

@@alexpena4091 exactly lol, she could just easily remove it anyways

[@radioraheem9820]

@@shadowscythes yeah, be without the key who's to say it would open to the same room. Regardless it's another obstacle to buy time and she can't sneak up on them

[@mingfanzhang4600]

I invite everyone to read the holy Quran

[@sinisterlennyface1178]

I was SO hyped after I saw the post-credits about this movie! I expected the story to to something like this: a different Doctor Strange from another universe comes to a conclusion that the Multiverse can only be safe under his sovereign guidance, and stars killing all the "other" Stranges in different universes along with those who would oppose him. He might even be a benevolent dictator at first, but the absolute power eventually corrupts him into mistaking his own gain for the "good of all Multiverse". Only "our" Strange and Wanda together are powerful enough to oppose the "multi-Strange", and have to stop him. Instead I got the nonsense we all got.

[@mingfanzhang8927]

Happy birthday

[@boobookittifukk]

In America's defence, actual spiders have the silk coming out the back via the spinnerets so her asking if it came out of his butt was a fair assumption to make.

[@Technotoadnotafrog]

Okay, but are spiders like that in all sixty universes she's been to?

[@dalibor3086]

​@@Technotoadnotafrog stupid question, how would any of us know. If she asked that, IT MEANS THAT IS WHAT HER EXPERIENCE IS. Just watch a movie.

[@masere]

Didn't someone in No Way Home ask Tobey if his webs came out of any other part of his body?

[@isaiahburns9140]

With the tea thing, remember in the first Dr. Strange, halfway through his soul getting flung through the multiverse by the Ancient One. Strange asks if the tea he was offered has been spiked with psychedelics. You’d think after that experience, and knowing Mordo from his own verse, he wouldn’t take a cup of tea he never saw being poured in front of him 😅

[@mingfanzhang4600]

I invite everyone to read the holy Quran

[@sofiadragon6520]

Listening to them sin this scene, all I can think of is that consent video about tea. You can make them a cup of tea, or not, but be aware that they might not drink it. Then, and this is the important part, don't make them drink it. Unconscious people don't want tea.

[@mingfanzhang4600]

@@sofiadragon6520 #JustMonika

[@catsplat1272]

@@sofiadragon6520 I know exactly what you're talking about lol

[@sofiadragon6520]

@@catsplat1272 Best line: And now I'm going to make myself a cup of tea. Cheers. 🫖

[@brandonmclendon5368]

The Illuminati scene where Mr Fantastic literally blurted out Black Bolt’s power legitimately pissed me off.

[@chasehedges6775]

The Illuminati being cruel and mean to Strange(Captain Carter throwing her shield at him) and disregarding Wanda as a threat ticked me off

[@bitemeloser822]

@@chasehedges6775 I was so glad Wanda slaughtered the Illuminati when I first watched the movie.

[@chasehedges6775]

@@bitemeloser822 Wanda killing them made no sense either. This movie is sooo meh.

[@SnobbyBird_]

@@bitemeloser822 mr fantastic and Professor x are the only members to be friendly and at least a little understanding towards Doctor strange

[@theplourde]

I really want to tell John Krasinski “Hey you played the Smartest Man in the Universe…the fuck happened?” Because if Reed knew Wanda was so powerful, why the fuck did he think… Oh wait, Michael Waldron wrote the script. Fml

[@spectrasoulfaire215]

I think the demon cloak is the only time I've seen a sin taken off for sheer coolness factor. That's big.

[@mingfanzhang8927]

I invite everyone to read the holy Quran ☪️

[@muchanadziko6378]

nah, he does it fairly often

[@muchanadziko6378]

@@mingfanzhang8927 and I invite you to not post religious content on completely unrelated KZbin videos. Find an "atheist vs muslim" debate, or a "christian vs muslim" debate, or a "Shia vs Sunni" debate, or whatever other thing of this sort to post this.

[@mingfanzhang8927]

@@muchanadziko6378 #Nightcore

[@muchanadziko6378]

@@mingfanzhang8927 whatever that hashtag means

[@Blade-hf9po]

The Darkhold was also featured in Agents of Shield. It is stated there that the Darkhold can and will give you a way to get what you want, and that the pages are different for everybody. In this movie's case, it gave Wanda the means to locate and Hunt Chavez.

[@summertyme5748]

Darkhold was brilliantly used in Season 4 of Agents of SHIELD and stupidly used in this film. The Darkhold did not substitute for lack of character development in SHIELD - but it does in this film. The Darkhold's function in this film is to make the character do whatever will turn the film into a cheesy horror movie. Therefore nothing the characters do makes any sense on any level. Trying to make sense of it - reveals plot holes because you are looking for narrative excuses for something that exists to service that cheesy-horror-movie agenda. You just gave an example of this: _"Darkhold will give you a way to get what you want - it gives Wanda the means to locate and Hunt Chavez."_ ^ This is endlessly plot hole riven. Hunting Chavez - *IS NOT WHAT SHE WANTS.* Chavez is injected into the plot to give the monster (Wanda really with CG proxies) the screaming chick (Chavez) to chase. And to give the hero (Strange) a "save me" girl. lol. What Wanda wants is - her children. Using Occam's Razor - that is the simplest solution - never gets us to the point of - _chasing Chavez around with monsters from other dimensions that you can access with your mind control abilities because of DarkHold._ lol. That's a freaking mouthful to even say. You know the writer is desperate at this point, to perform such acrobatics just to get us to generic "scary movie" hijinks. Here is what the logic of the story actually implies. 1) If you want Billy and Tommy back - bring them back yourself - since you made them go away in the 1st place. (I'm sorry but there is simply no reconciling her sudden desperate need for these specific kids - when she essentially *destroyed them herself* in the last episode of Wanda Vision.) Raimi didn't watch Wanda Vision. That's the *real reason* he didn't immediately recognize this plot hole. Wanda Vision just *gets in the way of his making Evil Dead pt. 69.* So the character Wanda in this film makes no sense....you can't *hide that* behind the McBook of McGuffin. 2) If you want to have babies the normal way - not Hex babies but rather lol -> *Sex* babies.... then have sex. Problem solved. Wanda would know this. Who other than Incels Raimi and Waldron can't f'king figure that out?! rotlf. 3) If - for some insane reason you need Chavez - when you *already have the McBook of McWaldrons McDarkplotHoles* - then use your Darkhold amped up powers to *mind control Chavez.* You want girl, not monster, so control girl, do not control monster to have monster run around and chase girl - who btw - you don't really need in the 1st place as the McGuffin is already given you the power to get what you really want - the kids. Who moreover you already had in the 1st place until you *used your power to alter reality to destroy* lol. *Fortify your mind indeed!* And learn to at least follow the logic of your own fked up plot. To wit: What - exactly - is - the bug eyed monster - need for??????? Is the film implying that she can psychically reach across Universes to control demonic monsters at will - but she can't just *control - the girl????* Why not? Again excuses aside the film simply needs to have the monsters chase the girl, period. For *whatever* reason. Because that's how stupid horror movies are made and that's what this is.

[@summertyme5748]

_Why is bug eyed monster needed!?_ - audience. _To give motor bike guy something to crash into! Funny was it not??_ - Raimi 🤣

[@mingfanzhang8927]

I invite everyone to read the holy Quran

[@mingfanzhang4600]

I invite everyone to read the holy Quran ☪️

[@fireprophetproductions4967]

I have a theory that Ghost Rider from Agents of SHIELD took the Darkhold into an alternate dimension at the end of season 4, that dimension was the hellscape in which Wanda comes into this movie. She found the Darkhold there, its look changed because magic and stuff, and it enhanced the powers she already had from the experiments with hell magic or whatever

[@WriteWhatISee]

My issue with this film is how when Wanda is presented with the very obvious question of how she will handle the version of her in other universes whose already mothering her children. Her response is to kill them too and just take them. I can follow a grief stricken person making illogical decisions but once we get there even she should be like yeah I’m overreacting here.

[@TriplePProductionz]

not only that, the even more obvious answer that no one thought of is for wanda to go to a universe where she died, no one would have to get hurt that way

[@stefanostcyr6851]

@@TriplePProductionz that's why they added the speech about her replacing the kids if ànything happen to them to showcase that logic was never an option

[@WriteWhatISee]

@@TriplePProductionz Also makes you wonder why in not one of her desired perfect realities was Vision the man she loved whose death set her off to begin with alive or anywhere to be heard of.

[@joshlandon9084]

i always wondered why her solution wasn't "ill just have all the wandas and all our kids live in one universe"

[@LP-ct9nk]

Vision is not in any of her realities, because in the comics vision and Wanda never get to stay together. They always tragically end for some reason. In the mcu she finally comes to terms with Vision’s death and accepts that reality. It’s the kids that she’s stuck on because vision is one of a kind/they’re not gonna last in all realities, but the kids are new and exist in all of the other ones

[@Shauniiiiiiiii]

Bit of a random take, but couldn't 616 Wanda just co-parent with the other Wanda? I'm sure she'd be glad of an extra pair of hands around the house, seeing as Vision doesn't appear to exist in that universe.

[@summertyme5748]

_seeing as Vision doesn't appear to exist in that universe._ The kids father from Wanda Vision - created in the Hex from the actual Sex and born out of Wanda's actual womb. In the alt Universes - [?????] same kids, Wiccand and Speed combining Wanda and Visions abilities, but fathered by [????] *Shit writing.*

[@mingfanzhang8927]

@@summertyme5748 cope

[@mingfanzhang8927]

@@summertyme5748 happy autism awareness month

[@mingfanzhang4600]

@@summertyme5748 happy autism awareness month

[@shuttittuppitt9355]

(at)Shauniiiiiiiii That is EXACTLY what I was thinking too. Alt-Wanda could tell everybody that our Wanda is her long lost twin sister. One of them would have to (slightly) change her name to help keep things from getting confusing, but otherwise, they could make it work. Of course, if they did that, then it'd be hard (but not impossible) to use Wanda in any future movies. She's a very popular character, so the movie makers want her to be available for future movies.

[@Neutral_Tired]

80% of the problems in this film could've been solved with portals but instead they keep introducing new spells which solve the puzzle less effectively and is then promptly forgotten about. It kills all the tension.

[@mingfanzhang4600]

I invite everyone to read the holy Quran ☪️

[@mingfanzhang6153]

I invite everyone to read the holy Quran ☪️

[@flackstar007]

I'm sad that cinema sins mostly skipped the big fight with Wanda in which multiple heroes attack one at a time and give her all the chances to properly meet their attack.

[@setcheck67]

Not just attacking one at a time. They basically waited for her to do things before attacking AND they told Wanda who otherwise would have no idea that Black Bolt can kill her. I fucking loled when he says "Black Bolt can kill you with a whisper". Like why is it necessary to let her know this information? The reality sorceress?

[@cameronsitton501]

@@setcheck67 Technically, the line was "with one whisper from his mouth". Which is worth a hundred thousand sins.

[@conserztasfia0078]

@@cameronsitton501 smh that line was so cartoonish like who talks like that irl?

[@mingfanzhang8927]

I invite everyone to read the holy Quran ☪️

[@thelaw_00]

I still can't believe how incredibly dumb Reed Richards was. He just witnessed Wanda performing instantaneous magic without doing any hand gestures or something and Black Bolt's mouth just disappeared. How is his slowly stretching arm to grab Wanda even a good idea??!

[@PrinceIsot]

So no one is gonna talk about how Wanda could just go "what sickness" if her kids get sick? Literally the biggest problem with this plot

[@Judge-1964]

I think it's similar to how Wanda couldn't control her kids in WandaVision

[@personafanatic4597]

or having it pointed out to her that she can just go to a universe where the kids have no mother and she has nothing to respond with..

[@Sunny-sc5vq]

@@personafanatic4597 or or, here me out, Wanda actually trying to have real babies.

[@personafanatic4597]

@@Sunny-sc5vq whaaaaat? wow i can't even imagine that groundbreaking revelation! 😶

[@Sunny-sc5vq]

@@personafanatic4597 you know, sometimes obvious things need to be pointed out. 👍

[@NerdyStarProductions]

I'm still so bitter about how they completely undermined the entirety of wanda's growth in wandavision just to drive this movie.

[@summertyme5748]

Yes. The horrible writer for this film admits why he did it. He was scared that Wanda would become the villain in an Avengers movie down the line, so he turned her into a villain so he could use her for his movie. He was asked to bunt to move the runner over, but he went for himself, tried to hit a home run and *struck out* instead.

[@mingfanzhang8927]

Happy birthday

[@nightsky7127]

‘ I wish l could have been different’ ‘I wish to SKIP-‘ 😂

[@mingfanzhang8927]

I invite everyone to read the holy Quran

[@EBFilmsMan]

3:39 To be fair, that's where most spiders shoot their webs from. (spinnerets on their abdomen, usually on the underside to the rear)

[@gavrave3617]

my exact thoguths

[@pamoweiberezi5315]

Spiders, not spidermen

[@TheGrandRevo]

To be fair it’s also token D list Marvel Disney humor

[@Seetiyan]

@@pamoweiberezi5315 Yes, but she doesn't know that. She never heard of Spider-Man until just that moment.

[@MrSamwise25]

Thank you! Came looking for this comment

[@MoonWielder]

My main problem that I find with this movie is that we're supposed to empathize with Wanda because she lost her family and Vision and it gave her justification to do terrible things such as killing wizards, and the Illuminati in another universe just to do everything she could to see her fictional kids, which I don't get whatsoever. WandaVision did the same thing as well when she trapped an entire town in her fantasy land.

[@rjoe5313]

It contradict the meaning of Wanda-Vision.

[@addictivealternatives]

What’s not to get about a mother wanting to be with her kids? It’s really not that complicated. Also you don’t have to empathize with her. That’s just a possibility.

[@rjoe5313]

@@addictivealternatives there are many realities where her children doesn't look same.

[@bessieburnet9816]

We just had a bunch of movies and a whole show detailing that. Keep up.

[@bookon999]

Did NO ONE watch the post credit scene in WV? It shows she was taken by the Darkhold. That information is repeated several times in this film.

[@saturn-zv3fd]

Hey! At 7:36 Strange couldn't open a portal because Wanda destroyed his sling ring (the ring he uses to create portals.) With her magic, if you rewatch the clip you can see the ring glow with a red aura and break. He was capable of using magic, he just wasn't able to render portals.

[@Texicus_Reddicus]

this suffers from the same problem as green lantern.. the wizards can create literally anything, but only ever seems to create really underpowered simple things... like a magic bow and arrow ?

[@xiamariansupreme72]

Well, Kamar Taj is kinda ancient, so they probably never updated their weapons from decades, maybe centuries ago.

[@mingfanzhang8927]

I invite everyone to read the holy Quran

[@mingfanzhang6153]

I invite everyone to read the holy Quran ☪️

[@jordankeller4253]

I feel the same way but specifically for Strange and Wong. It's like these guys think they can only use any given spell once or twice. Or like all of those baffling decisions in the fight in the beginning of the movie. Summoning a giant demon cat head? Really? Slicing a bus in half? There's so much potential damage caused to property and civilian alike there, and it's all unnecessary. Other films that include either Sorcerer Supreme have no problem with them using their slingies to create portals when needed, but this film acts as if the portals are a very finite resource or have a cooldown or something. It just doesn't make any sense.

[@mingfanzhang8927]

@@jordankeller4253 #FreeTaiwan

[@thecavalry4]

I love how everything just happened so conveniently. - Wanda not killing chavez when she had the chance. - No one using the sling rings. - Strange seeing that particular dream, that would affect his life in a couple of hours. - Wong not being able to teleport to the mountain, but being able to cast spells there. - the whole book of vishanti - christine having the key to the book. - christine knowing how to use the goblet of fire 2.0, and knowing it's affective against spirits. - Strange being able to make a cape out of the spirits. - the whole "we had a sister" thing actually being convincing enough. do I need to go on?

[@IulianYT]

Start from the beginning - America being teleported somewhere nearby Strange, sometimes in daytime. Imagine if she teleported somewhere in Sahara?

[@thecavalry4]

@@IulianYT "Start from the beginning" - ponytail Strange didn’t use his sling ring, which he clearly had. Considering our Strange used it at the end. - ponytail Strange not using his freezing spell against the one-eyed octopus more than once. - Strange seeing that particular dream? battle? that would later not only be relevant to his own life, but also be enough to convince chavez's story. - Strange going to his EX's wedding to play jesus, and confess he still has feelings for her. - chavez cornering herself in a bus. - The giant cat head Strange summoned. - Strange tearing the bus apart, when it looked very similar to the spell they said was bad in the first Dr. Strange movie. - The whole Wong, Strange, chavez vs one-eyed octopus battle. - chavez stealing stuff. - the book of vishanti converstation in the pizza place. - chavez changing languages in the middle of converstation (dick move btw, and completely against her own multiverse rules) - chavez saying that out of the two Stranges so far, the latter was not her favorite, when she thought the first one betrayed her. Satisfied? Or should I continue?

[@spritemon98]

Who had a sister?

[@spritemon98]

The biggest sin I can think of is America being in this movie. They could just replace her with a spell or a tool

[@Pass1ngStranger]

@@thecavalry4 yup continue

[@a.earley1049]

11:22 i think the “ocean in a coffee mug” is actually a reference to the phrase “storm in a teacup” as in wanda devoting so much effort into bringing back children that don’t even exist somehow feels both too obvious and too obscure since it seems like it can’t really be applied to many aspects of her situation. And, that it’s a literal storm in a teacup

[@darkmarc]

The expression is "tempest in a teacup," but -- yes.

[@a.earley1049]

@@darkmarc yea maybe that one’s more popular but both are correct

[@mingfanzhang8927]

I invite everyone to read the holy Quran

[@mingfanzhang4600]

I invite everyone to read the holy Quran

[@mingfanzhang6153]

I invite everyone to read the holy Quran ☪️

[@MzuMzu-nx1em]

24:44 can't belive you missed Bruce Campbell Aka Ash Williams making a cameo fight his possessed hand 10 sins for you brò

[@summertyme5748]

_MOM fans feel free to explain.._ I've said before fight logic and power levels in this film are: whatever-we-need-for-the-next-scene. Look go back to the beginning of the film. Wanda alters reality at will. (direct quote from this film) She controls the minds of entire towns by hexing them. (WandaVision - which Raimi ignored) She travels the multiverse with mind using DarkHold. She controls demons - like silly OneEyedCartoon thing. She is using her control of demons to chase a girl through the multiverse. Why?????? Control the girl, instead of controlling everything else, and then chasing the girl around like a mindless zombie. FILM OVER.

[@mingfanzhang8927]

Have a happy year of the yin water rabbit

[@louisBrother1988]

7:36 How could you guys miss Wanda destroying Strange's sling ring and that sorcerers can't use portals without their sling ring?

[@korysingleton4869]

I think Jeremy said he intentionally makes small errors like this when writing the episodes. Either to a) pad the runtime for more revenue or b) show off more of the movie because some ppl use this as a way to “watch” movies without having to sit through 2 hours of it.

[@obinnaonyeije]

People keep bringing this up, but I didn't see Wanda do that either. It's really easy to miss.

[@JaiK_04]

@@obinnaonyeije it really isn't if you have working eyes

[@obinnaonyeije]

@@JaiK_04 Ah, yep, you got me. I was actually diagnosed as fully blind by the time I saw this movie. I don't know why I even bothered to go to the theater, honestly. I should've been at home practicing my Braille.

[@GarretsShadow]

@@korysingleton4869 It also causes people to interact with the video more via comments (people love correcting and arguing about mistakes), thereby driving up the video's success in the KZbin algorithm

[@SteveJ0966]

That "wait to stare at the hatch exactly like every other hatch Wanda has blasted her way through without even pausing to catch a breath" deserves every one of the 100 sins the very next portion of the scene got.

[@mingfanzhang4600]

I invite everyone to read the holy Quran.

[@mingfanzhang8927]

I invite everyone to read the holy Quran ☪️

[@mingfanzhang4600]

Happy birthday 🎂🎊🎉🎈🎁

[@mingfanzhang8927]

#Popipa #JustMonika #Islam

[@mingfanzhang4600]

#Popipa #JustMonika #Islam

[@asermpoyi4357]

That Day after Tomorrow conception with Inception line had me weak 😂

[@mingfanzhang8927]

I invite everyone to read the holy Quran

[@mingfanzhang6153]

I invite everyone to read the holy Quran

[@mingfanzhang8927]

Happy birthday 🎈🎊🎁🎂🎉

[@mingfanzhang6153]

I invite everyone to read the holy Quran

[@GoingHamAllTheWay]

Problem with introducing time travel in the mic made the same problem with this movie, the writers don’t seem to know what there writing about until they need something cool to happen, Wanadas plan could work where in a universe where both her(and vision) had kids but died in endgame leaving her kids as orphans. Literally any problem can be solved with unlimited universes in the finite curve

[@mingfanzhang4600]

I invite everyone to read the holy Quran

[@mingfanzhang8927]

I invite everyone to read the holy Quran

[@xiamariansupreme72]

But the problem would be how would Wanda even see into those universes where her variant is dead? She has to see through her variant's eyes the life they're living to even know what's happening there. If another Wanda is dead, how would she even see into that universe to know what's what?

[@mingfanzhang8927]

I invite everyone to read the holy Quran

[@GoingHamAllTheWay]

@@xiamariansupreme72 good point, tho with “magic” plus the multiverse, I’m still gonna say there’s another way, or more obvious, why kill America take her powers(and yes I get the book of the damed was corrupting her mind-maybe even setting up the writer/true evil to bust into the mcu) but you could ask her to send you or train her to take you all over. Just saying when you bring the multiverse into the equation, I and many like myself are going to poke holes in your story.

[@DragonFae16]

What I want to know is how the pizza ball vendor survived 3 straight weeks of punching himself in the face. I didn't get the impression that the spell would pause to let him do things like eat and sleep, so that means the guy would be punching himself in the face 24/7 for three weeks. He's definitely dead, unless Dr Strange included something in the spell that meant he didn't need sustenance and sleep while punching himself.

[@josephsalmonte4995]

Yeah, but it's funny because it happened to a man.

[@checkerlily9172]

@@josephsalmonte4995 don’t play the gender card bud

[@mingfanzhang4600]

I invite everyone to read the holy Quran ☪️

[@lurkinglittledevil]

@@josephsalmonte4995 shut

[@mathiasl2623]

Restrained in a hospital and a shot ton of sedatives

[@tattedupluv]

Every now and again you get a really solid joke in these and that one about Reed Richards wanting it to be a quiet place was hilarious!

[@matthewminelli]

That's funny! I did not catch that before.

[@mariomaker69420]

holy shit i JUST got the joke

[@kori2169]

19:56 I find this pretty cool since in ATSV, Prowler!Miles' response to Spider-Miles' plea of "our dad is going to die" is to immediately retort with "YOUR dad", and nothing else. IIRC, he didn't even elaborate because, as Spider-Miles should know, Prowler!Miles is from a different universe. Even if Jefferson was dead, only one of them have a father. The same can be said about Stephen here, where only one of them had extended time with Donna -- enough so that they would acknowledge having a sister to begin with -- while the other would simply stare back blankly.

[@Trekkie46]

Where's the sin for skipping the backstory of Mordo revealing himself as evil?!

[@mingfanzhang6153]

I invite everyone to read the holy Quran

[@mingfanzhang8927]

I invite everyone to read the holy Quran

[@mingfanzhang4600]

I invite everyone to read the holy Quran and

[@summertyme5748]

They actually wanted to cut off Mordo's head at the beginning of the film - literally Snoking him, but Feige put a stop to that. What's shocking is that Feige ran into the exact same problem that undermined the Star Wars 7 - 9 films. Warring writers and directors - contradicting each other instead of building on the work of one another.

[@mingfanzhang6153]

XD #JustMonika#Ramadan#LarryLawton #natsuki#Nightcore#BangDream

[@devtrivedi4766]

14:30 Shouldn't it be Reed Richards who desires this to be a quite place. Damnn💀

[@rahbeeuh]

Clever wordplay

[@JaredBruner]

1:31 he's using magic to tie his tie because his hands are still too uncoordinated from his injuries. I think it's a character moment that's worth including.

[@Mikepun51]

But the rest of the time, I don't think he has trouble using his hands. I think Jeremy is right, it's just a cute moment to show his magic.

[@ThinkingFandom]

@@Mikepun51 Not really with anything precise, just holding stuff or flipping pages, rather than something like tying a knot which needs a bit more control

[@theilluminatibenefactor]

For a car crash he wasn't pulled out off in 2016 until he was found, the damage was very severe it still affected him today.

[@saalweachter]

I'm pretty sure the motorcycle rider trying to drive down the street with an active monster attack is an accurate depiction of NYC.

[@kisunxzula6235]

22:13 how the hell did he say power with no lips and with half his cheeks gone. now thats magic

[@Menthix]

17:30 Wait, you're actually not going to sin the illuminati vs Wanda fight? There's so much wrong with it, it deserves it's own video god damnt it.

[@mingfanzhang4600]

I invite everyone to read the holy Quran 1

[@Mr.M2045]

Couldn't have the video be 2 hours long

[@mingfanzhang4600]

@@Mr.M2045 #JustMonika #Popipa #KFC

[@PeptoBismel]

like what?

[@WiiMan1133]

I love how Baron Mordos so intent on executing Strange in the scene. It’s like dude, you’re entire organization is literally falling apart around you and all your friends have been brutally slaughtered. You really think your pissing match with a Strange you’ve never even met is still important? But you have to remember, this movie is terrible. MoM and No Way Home are relying on old IPs to make their movies, not clever/original storytelling

[@noneayourbusiness5149]

Actually it's been mentioned that the first draft of this movie was WAY darker and WAY more "Raimi" than Marvel was comfortable with, and they required him to tone it down.

[@miamarvel616]

Yes, remember that released scene of Wanda BRUTALLY murdering this sorcerers? Damn

[@edwardnygma8533]

@@miamarvel616 I don't, was it in a trailer or something?

[@miamarvel616]

@@edwardnygma8533 kzbin.info4CJPZc4jS0c?feature=share

[@edwardnygma8533]

@@miamarvel616 Fucking Christ that's good, thank you. I checked comments and description for source but didn't see it, do you know if this is supposed to be on the physical release or what?

[@miamarvel616]

@@edwardnygma8533 this was supposed to be one of the scenes in the movie but Marvel vetoed it because it was "too violent". It was never shot with the official actors. There's also a scene where she's holding Mordo's head, that was an official anel that was released.

[@pitprok]

If you have played portal, you know that creating a portal that sends you back up doesn't slow you down. Your momentum makes sure you reach the same height you were at when you started falling which means you will end up with the same speed when you reach the ground the second time. You would only slow down a little bit because of air friction, but that would take a long time to have a meaningful effect. What you could do is create a portal that shoots you back up and when you reach the highest point, where your speed is zero, create a portal under your feet that brings you closer to the ground.

[@PuchimonExtreme]

So... About "Dreams are alternate realities thing." I once dreamt that it was a zombie/monster apocalypse. A bunch of resistance scrubs with guns started shooting. Heroes like Batman, Kamen Rider, and all that started appearing. And in the middle of some climactic battle, Doraemon appeared out of nowhere and started singing his theme song. Alternate realities are fun.

[@BlackDiamond2718]

Had a dream that i got chased by zombies and i woke up AFTER THEY STARTED EATING ME! So it must mean that i have a hidden ability to raise the dead…

[@NegaZxyz]

Can we talk about the fact that blackbolts powers somehow work on himself to kill him? If that were true everytime he made so much as a whisper his face would get blown out of his skull whether he had a mouth or not.

[@Dishinshoryuken]

Stifling a sneeze A hiccup Sex with his wife Clear his throat

[@NegaZxyz]

@Dishinshoryuken Exactly, if that man's powers worked on himself he'd be dead a thousand times over.

[@LP-ct9nk]

I thought the only reason it worked on him was because the sound and vibrations had nowhere else to go but inside his head. He can talk and stuff normally it’s just he’ll kill everyone around him lol hence the silence

[@NegaZxyz]

@L P Which reminds me, since his voice had nowhere else to go the fact that Scarlet Witch didn't have Blackbolt kill the rest of the illuminati with a well placed sonic fart which would have been the funniest thing to be in any movie in the last 20 years is sin worthy.

[@greynotgray6808]

@@NegaZxyz Duuuuude. Hell yeah.!

[@Don-C.L.]

Another sin, which he missed, was Reed's over explanation of Silentman's powers. He's supposed to be the smart and strategic one. I don't think think he would play fast and loose with his cards. I don't think this rendition of Wanda know who most of them are, thus giving Reed and others the advantage, especially since they know who SHE is.

[@k.b.4264]

Literally, like if Reed had kept his mouth shut Silentman might have at least gotten a shot off before Wanda killed him in an equally stupid way

[@xiamariansupreme72]

I think he thought threatening Wanda would scare her into freeing 838 Wanda, considering she just threatened to make his kids fatherless.

[@mingfanzhang8927]

I invite everyone to read the holy Quran and

[@TheCreatorNFE]

Reed has done similar things in the comics though. Rare, but it's happened.

[@mingfanzhang8927]

Happy 😊

[@1eloe71]

24:01 Maybe, but only MAYBE they got to a snowy universe, but again only MAYBE.

[@shreksophone0749]

Wandavision: a show about Wanda learning about letting go of her past because it was hurting others Wanda in MoM: screw the lessons I've learned Imma murder people for some kids

[@Meatybox]

The sigh after “I can do this all day” got me

[@mingfanzhang4600]

I invite everyone to read the holy Quran

[@dasauto1555]

Bruh he was scared to say it cuz angry feminist comments, but its painfully obvious they were just doing the classic 2020 hollywood where the male characters all get obliterated in 2 seconds, then the STRONG FEMALE HEROS last for 100x that. Complete pandering joke that noone wants to see. My girlfriend cringed at this scene.

[@mingfanzhang8927]

I invite everyone to read the holy Quran ☪️

[@mingfanzhang4600]

I invite everyone to read the holy Quran

[@mingfanzhang8927]

Happy birthday 🎈🎂🎁🎉🎊

[@FuzzyStripetail]

Motorcycle riding guy probably attempted to drive his motorcycle through that giant one-eyed octopus monster that was in the middle of the street because motorcycle guy was taking the most direct route to delivering that Sorcerer Supreme pizza to the person who ordered it before the thirty-minute delivery time was up thereby forcing motorcycle guy to pay for said pizza.

[@jimb.7523]

*"P I Z Z A T I M E ! ! !"*

[@bobblebardsley]

The number of Reddit stories that are like "I knew the old mental asylum was abandoned and haunted but we got a call to deliver a personal pan cheese pizza at 3am and I needed the extra tip money so I took the job" makes me think you're probably spot-on.

[@cecilrichardson2494]

That one-eyed octopus monster is Shuma-Gorath. Kinda sucks he was only in the beginning of the movie (or that going by the comics, that [apparently, Wanda didn't know this] Shuma-Gorath is a manifestation of the [late] Ancient One's dark side).

[@timeodaneosetdona]

@@jimb.7523 As the great philosopher Michaelangelo said: “Forgiveness is divine, but never pay full price for late pizza”

[@BlueCorvidae]

Wait. The illuminati said Dr. Strange formed them, acknowledging the need for teams and team decision making, and then that he "always did things alone"? That makes no sense

[@summertyme5748]

Mofo starts the film by finding the book of Vishanti in his dream. Then America Chavez shows up. He tells her that dreams are windows into the lives of our multiversal selves. She tells him about the book of Vishanti - which HE SAW in the *same dream* where he 1st saw her. Then he tells her the Book of Vishanti is - not real - it's just a myth. Uhm....what????? lol. Garbage writing.

[@OneWingedNatu64]

Needs a sin (or 10) for when Stephen was giving Christine the "I never stopped caring about us" spiel AT HER GODDAMN WEDDING like man that is so tacky lmao

[@summertyme5748]

The film is just stupid on every level, about human behavior and motivation. Strange's whiny Inceling. Wanda 'want baby' but doesn't know how to make baby, only - will kill in order to steal children from real mother. Strange knows dreams are windows into the multiverse but claims the Book of Vishanti (magical BS to solve all problems) isn't real - even though he SAW IT in his dream. Wanda wants girl....Strange offers to take Wanda right to the girl....so, at this point....she blurts out the girls name and gives herself away so we can have chase film. lol. I know the writer is stupid. But *must you make all the characters stupid too?* Wanda can move things with her mind. Heck she freaking rag dollled Thanos - with just her mind..... Yet she spends two hours zombie walking (she can fly!!) slowly after this girl, and at the end, what does she do? She finally uses telekinesis to grab the girl with her mind and pull her right into her clutches. Which could have happened IMMEDIATELY in this film and at any time throughout. Film is just an exercise in seeing how far you can go - in insulting the intelligence of the audience before they start calling you out.

[@milan99cz]

Not sinning the "smartest man in the universe" trying to stop Wanda by trying to touch her and then his two comrades just watching him get spaghettified, come on man...

[@maxisenberg9093]

Being told something vs seeing it for yourself, especially in this case where you're basically looking at yoursefl/your kids, are two different things..so Wanda calming down makes perfect sense here.

[@ozymando5459]

Spotted the marvel stan

[@maxisenberg9093]

@@ozymando5459 ...clearly...lol

[@summertyme5748]

Or Common sense, would have resolved it, but it does not exist in this "universe".

[@summertyme5748]

*"Being told something...."* Good point, let's try....Hey Wanda ! "You do know, you can't just kill people because you dream about having kids in another reality?!" "Did you know that Wong just said that you have the power to alter reality at will?" "Did you know that you could use this power to bring back Vision?" "Did you know that you and Vision could create kids - and name them Billy and Tommy?" *"vs seeing it for yourself, especially in this case where you're basically looking at yourself/your kids"* Hey Wanda.... "Did you know that everything I just said you could *see for yourself* on a Disney Plus show called *WandaVision?"* Wanda: _Of course I know, you idiot, l LIVED that reality, in WandaVision!_ _The problem is, the director and writer of this stupid film don't know because - they didn't see it!_ "Oh, ok, thanks. We knew something seemed rotten about the silly events in this film."

[@mingfanzhang8927]

I invite everyone to read the holy Quran

[@kiaracrockwell8125]

There is no possible way her parents are alive. They either died from the impact of being flung through a portal to who knows where or caused an incursion and died a slow painful death.

[@summertyme5748]

I like how at the end of the movie she decides to train with wong and she forgets to look for her mom's even though she easily transported Wanda directly to her children. I really dislike Michael Waldron because it's like he does stupid writing for stupid audiences that don't pay attention to how stupid everything is.

[@kiaracrockwell8125]

@@summertyme5748 Totally agree it enrages me how many points he'll make then just completely disregard them

[@hiddeniguana5744]

Ya know what’s crazy? In the original doctor strange movie Mordo explains the sling rings, and outright says that they could open portals ACROSS THE MULTIVERSE. Are we just gonna let that go?

[@ExtBotany]

Yeah, probably. In the original Guardians of the Galaxy it's directly stated on Gamora's mugshot scene that she's the sole survivor of her entire planet but they retconned that for Infinity War just so they could say Thanos' plan actually worked somewhere

[@Orange2Timess]

Exactly why marvel is dying

[@rimabros98]

19:38 LOL part of the DCEU 😂

[@TheCreepypro]

nice to see this up

[@sm10439]

Fire mini plot with voice overs at the end. Great creativity!

[@mingfanzhang8927]

I invite everyone to read the holy Quran

[@mingfanzhang8927]

☪️

[@mingfanzhang4600]

I invite everyone to read the holy Quran

[@mingfanzhang6153]

I invite everyone to read the holy Quran

[@Wouldyoukindly4545]

A lot of the problems with this movie were do to the entire script being thrown out and re-written with very little time because it was *after* they started shooting. And they had to use the clips they shot before the writing was done. In the original script Wanda was not the main antagonist, she was convinced by the events of the movie to start down a darker road, one reminiscent of House of M. But the new director was like "Wanda will be the villain of the next movie? But I want to do it now, with little set up and just coming off of Wandavision". I mean, I thought it was fine. I am just sad that so much happened behind the scenes and left the movie with no coherent vision, and no Vision.

[@limmuquan4796]

"no coherent vision, and no Vision" good one

[@kristinagarlick423]

The problem with Wanda being the villain was that she found peace after WandaVision. It would have made more sense that she was possessed by a great evil. Also, why didn’t she choose a universe where her kids were orphaned. Regardless, I am sure she will be back for Secret Wars, possibly on Kang’s side but not sure.

[@NinjaBearFilms]

The point of WandaVision end was that she could not live in a fantasy world of her creation. That “Wanda at peace” version in the end was not the Wanda of WandaVision. But her using the Darkhold to dream walk and view other versions of herself. Looking for what made them “at peace” when suddenly she hears her kids and realize that they exist not as a fantasy but as a real family somewhere in the multiverse. She just needs to reach them and she can have what “she needs” not as a fantasy but a reality.

[@Whiteythereaper]

Wanda WAS possessed. The Darkhold had control over her until the end, when she snapped out of it in grief from seeing how Tommy & Billy react to her as what she had become

[@ligtningdog6399]

Understanding that you have done/are doing something wrong is not the same as founding peace. Wanda was still a wreck at the end of WandaVision.

[@user-nt5pl3zn4u]

"I am sure she will be back for Secret Wars" And that's the problem with today's MCU. There are no stakes. Multiverse is open, so we can bring back whoever, whenever. Hell, even from whenever. Timestone is no more only on Earth 616, just get another one from infinite time stones in the infinite multiverse.

[@_korbo_]

The problem with wanda being the villain is that she's a terrible character and her motives are vapid and boring as fuck.

[@nyChannel09]

3:40 because thats how spiders do it... Totally valid assumption! What are you saying???

[@lucy-lw5om]

To be fair, at 11:43, that is exactly how siblings work. Insulting each other and fighting one minute, and completely switching gears to get along the next, particularly when there is something to be gained like ice cream.

[@infernotitan1158]

So one of my favorite things about Zombie Strange is that he's the one that tried to kill her in the beginning of the movie, and while it's not the "same" Strange, it's the same physical body that allows her to unlock her powers proper.

[@TheWarmachine375]

How Wanda can be beaten by HISHE logic: Black Bolt: "HAVE REAL BABIES OR CONSIDER ADOPTION!!!" *obliterates Wanda away*

[@BlinkinFirefly]

THE MUFFIN MAN!!!! XD Great reference, thank you

[@serotonin5852]

02:41 I actually "sinned" this myself when I was watching it cuz I was like "You cannot tell me that thing has to depth perception to hit them dead-on like that from that distance"

[@babysquash711]

If you saw the Marvel studios assembled of this movie, idk his name but someone said the reason they chose scarlet witch as a villain was "why are we letting some other movie have the best villain". Wanda wasn't a villain because of storytelling, it's because someone wanted to call dibs on her being the bad guy which is so frustrating.

[@personafanatic4597]

someone called dibs on her being evil - great way to sum it up lol

[@Sunprism]

This is the MCU movie that I enjoyed while watching it, then afterwards immediately said "Man the MCU is in trouble"

[@marlonclark1896]

same

[@chasehedges6775]

Pretty much. They should have stopped after IW.

[@LeviathanHamster]

Hopefully Wakanda Forever picks things back up

[@chasehedges6775]

@@LeviathanHamster It’s gonna suck.

[@jakubrejak1114]

@@chasehedges6775 Source? Don't tell me you've read the leaks, I'm not gonna believe it.

[@lumyvolcan7273]

The reason why Strange can’t open up a portal at 7:35 is because Wanda took his sling thingy that goes on his fingers. And it’s explained in the first movie that you have to have that sling to open up portals. Other magic you can do just fine

[@kb523]

This movie shouldn’t have been called Multiverse of Madness… maybe Dr Strange and/vs the Scarlett Witch? Or even Dr Strange: Returning what never was. It’s pretty sub par for a multiversal movie..

[@JoeFanik]

When I first heard of the MoM, I thought it would be a villain like Shuma Gorath and we'd see chaos in many different universes (like the Spider verse vs Inheritors). But what we got was just one other universe that's slightly different from the main one.

[@babytoshiro7014]

I think that's what we were all hoping for. Multiverse madness

[@mingfanzhang4600]

I invite everyone to read the holy Quran,

[@Lime30373]

Shuma-Gorath got robbed. He went out like a pansy in this film. :(

[@mingfanzhang4600]

@@Lime30373 vanossgaming

[@Konani_the_unicorn_queen]

the movie "everyone everywhere all at once" sure did multiverse better than this movie,

[@ToadTWE]

For the final fight, I wish that Strange helped America by helping to control her mind. I am honestly surprised that Strange didn't have a spell to invade one's thoughts for guidance. I mean, he can dreamwalk into a dead body, so surely assisting a living one like Wanda did wouldn't be much harder

[@mindyschocolate]

Nah, Strange can’t do that. He’s more of an external Magic kind of guy. Wanda would have been the better option of she hadn’t gone bad.

[@zysis]

Yeah he can. Silver Surfer issue #50. MCU chose to ignore many of the infinity stories because it has to be mindless.

[@sdub607]

Love what you do. Some notes. *I think he does that with the tie to show the audience his hands never fully healed.

[@snoopdoggthecertifiedg6777]

I’m pretty sure his hands are fine.

[@sdub607]

@@snoopdoggthecertifiedg6777 they were not fine at all in the first film. Still haven't healed as you can see., he can't even use his hands to tie a tie

[@mingfanzhang8927]

I invite everyone to read the holy Quran

[@mingfanzhang4600]

I invite everyone to read the holy Quran

[@BlackDiamond2718]

Strange: “underneath this blanket, lies the key to my release.”

[@jasonsmith2759]

Overlooked the open laptop in Strange's bed

[@FrenchToastin_]

“Sleeping with your laptop OPEN on your bed. It would have fallen off and then you have to walk into the Apple Store at 9am explaining your idiocy to a worker who couldn’t care less. Not like it’s based on experience or anything just a guess… 🔔”

[@aydanwissel5631]

"@@FrenchToastin_ would be excellent at CinemaSins...-reverse bell-"

[@newbienoob5938]

Totally impressed when Jeremy mentioned the harp scene from Kung fu hustle which is my absolute favourite scene in that movie....... I need to go see if he sinned that now

[@obinnaonyeije]

He hasn't, but they talked about it on their podcast a few months ago.

[@alexandriaburnett2801]

Why would he sin that? It's the perfect movie.

[@newbienoob5938]

@@alexandriaburnett2801 you're so completely right 😊

[@mingfanzhang4600]

I invite everyone to read the holy Quran ☪️

[@alexandriaburnett2801]

@@newbienoob5938 just realized I was thinking of Kung Pow when I typed this lol

[@stiimuli]

3:40 "Why would this be your default assumption?" Why would it not?

[@Jordan-dk3cy]

2:40 guy on motorcycle couldn’t see the monster Dr strange cast a spell so he can see it

[@TheWarmachine375]

Wanda should have gone to a therapist and sort out all of her psychological issues. Mr. Perfect Cell: "Oh please, there isn't a shrink qualified enough to deal with that hot mess." Alucard: *"BUT I AM!"*

[@noneayourbusiness5149]

Wonderful references, but I will point out: Alucard is NOT a licensed Psychologist.

[@joshlandon9084]

Hercule: "Its all smoke and mirrors"

[@xXI3igfootXx]

@@joshlandon9084 don't forget the magnets

[@LP-ct9nk]

I was just thinking how it was absolutely insane no one in shield prioritized the heroes involved in infinity war some therapy. Like the scene where she steals visions body in wandavision really showcased how mentally gone she already was lmao

[@brians5724]

​@@noneayourbusiness5149 50 years though, makes him MORE qualified

[@benji9870]

My biggest gripe with the film was the fact it wasn't about Doctor Strange at all; it was about America Chavez. It was sold as this mental wizard film with awesome magic, and just became an origin story for a very underwhelming character.

[@babytoshiro7014]

I agree. No one cared about America and marvel never even cast the real one

[@cakecrumb095]

Yeah agreed. I’m here for Doctor Strange and it’s like the writers forgot this movie is supposed to be about Doctor Strange.

[@MrFreakazoid23]

This should’ve been a two part movie. First movie is Strange vs Strange Supreme where Strange enlists the help of Wanda, the defeat SS and then she manages to get her hands on the darkhold. Then this movie should’ve happened. They had a whole “What if” episode on SS and they regulated him to a 5 minute music note fight scene. The intro to the Illuminati was unnecessary and isn’t Namor supposed to be part of that?

[@feraldart]

Chavez was barely in it. This movie was about Wanda mostly with Strange a slightly distant 2nd. Chavez was way behind them for screen time. Sounds like you just hate the character and theportrayal, which is fine I suppose, but not because the movie centered on her, because it most certainly did not.

[@feraldart]

Real spiders shoot their web from their abdomen which is sort of like their butt. Not from their "hands." If the wundagore is surrounded by magic that keeps Wong from porting to it, it makes sense that he can't portal while he is there.

[@Crypticat]

i'm glad he took a sin off for that music note fight scene, as someone who loves music i thought that scene was AWESOME

[@Tachii31]

I'm surprised that the super special magical book that only 1 of exists in the multiverse (until the writers need it again) that can defeat any threat easily just...accidentally being destroyed the moment Wanda arrives wasn't sinworthy.

[@mingfanzhang8927]

Happy autism awareness month

[@mingfanzhang4600]

Happy autism awareness month

[@mingfanzhang8927]

@@mingfanzhang4600 happy autism awareness month

[@mingfanzhang4600]

Happy autism awareness month

[@superpow3755]

Actually wand a willing destroyed it and this is why the books matter

[@samquinn5545]

For Sin 42, Wanda used her magic to break Strange’s sling ring. You can see a little red glow around the ring for a second before she closes all the doors

[@yoshisisland24]

I remember seeing Wandavision and thinking "damn those bastards got me to sign on to more movies" and then this movie happened, and now I am feel free

[@sleepysera]

After Endgame I felt kinda...done with the MCU (partially because it felt like a good drop-off point but also because I was just really unwilling to give Disney extra money for their subscription service), but decided to give WandaVision a try...it was so good that I binged all the new MCU stuff, but damn this movie made me want to dip right back out again.

[@mingfanzhang4600]

I invite everyone to read the holy Quran ☪️

[@yoshisisland24]

@@mingfanzhang4600 Leave it in Church, Pal

[@mingfanzhang4600]

@@yoshisisland24 #JustMonika #Popipa #NukeTop5 #VanossGaming

[@BEENICEEIEIO]

20:30 very phantom of the opera “Christine!!!!”

[@luggystykz]

I just consider Christine's explanation non-canon. This is Earth-199999, and Kevin Feige will never convince me otherwise.

[@summertyme5748]

Don't even get me started on Dr. Strange and Nerd 199999. SpiderVerse is Canon and overwrites post Infinity Saga MCU based on: Coherence 'trumping' incoherence. Simple as that.

[@maniacalkoala]

Surprised you didn't point out that there are infinite universes, and with that come infinite universes where Wanda died, and her kids are missing their recently deceased mom, and 616 Wanda could go there. ALSO, why doesn't she seem to care about Vision anymore. He isn't even mentioned in the movie, and it almost feels like he never existed, and Wanda never cared about him, which also goes against WandaVision.

[@bobblebardsley]

If she did go to a dead-Wanda universe I suppose that would lead to an incursion or whatever it's called, but the idea of Strange needing to stop THAT from happening with a sympathetic Wanda character feels so much more compelling and complex than "Wanda is evil again" after everything that happened in Wandavision. That's actually the movie I would have liked to watch.

[@darinnewfelt2723]

"magical robot baby daddy" all he means to her anymore i guess

[@miamarvel616]

He is mentioned in the movie, lol

[@maniacalkoala]

@@miamarvel616 when? I don’t remember it.

[@miamarvel616]

@@maniacalkoala "I blew a hole through the head of the man I loved"