Everything you need to know about cycling computers

[@cokebottles6919]

The wahoo element bolt has been a work horse for me, highly recommend. Map and turn by turn are the only weak points, but it gives me all the data I need, is small but not too small, and might be the most reliable bike “thing” I’ve had for the last +3 years. Watch it die on me now that I’ve made this comment.

[@seal1mas]

My elment bolt has been going for 3 years strong and never seems to run out of battery! eg. 200km ride, at the end i still had 75% battery!! Thank you Wahoo for being my first choice so i didnt have to waste money on other units! Love from Down Under XD

[@markusseppala6547]

Yeah love my bolt does everything I need. Only problem after upgrading to integrated handlebar it looks way too small.

[@andrewlabat9963]

My choice also. It's simply better than all the rest. The hands on interface is so much better than even the Garmin's.

[@WhaJMc]

Another Wahoo user here. I've been using an Elemnt Bolt 2 for about 18 months. Better value for money than Garmin and had USB C charging. Recent firmware updates have been annoying though.

[@mariconor242]

Got the wahoo bolt v1 in 2019, handed it down to my 11 year old this year when I got the v2 bolt for free in exchange for a mate borrowing my bikebox. Tried Garmin but absolutely hated the touchscreens for the same reason as youself. Note: I loved the garmin advanced features like climbpro etc but now I just connect my fenix6 pro to the bars and use that in parallel to the wahoo. Never used the garmin mapping as I predominantly plan my routes in komoot. Wahoo syncs infinitely faster to both komoot and strava (map planning and post ride uploads) than garmin connect... and none of the very annoying "you have too many maps uploaded..." crap that garmin dealt me. Oh one more gripe, I dropped my garmin ONCE and it cracked the screen... Yes I'm clumbsy but the bolt lasted years of abuse and is still going fine.

[@whatwelearned]

I've had an Element Bolt for about 3 years and can't imagine buying a new head unit unless one with really top notch turn-by-turn comes out

[@krbndlls]

Same here, have Bolt for over 4 years and it such a great piece of equipment I can't even complain. The battery lasts pretty much the same as on day one, no unexpected shutdowns or freezes, it simply works. Compared to Garmin 520 which i had before, it is day and night. I see no reason to switch for another computer as long as this one lasts.

[@cokebottles6919]

Same! The mono color bolt for 3 years and it does everything I need. The map and turn by turn are the only weak points, but I honestly don’t use it often enough to worry about it. It’s crazy strong too, it has a cracked screen now after a couple minor wrecks on my mtb, but still going strong even in the rain.

[@Skaughtto]

Same - Bolt v1. It tracks 🤷 Newer computers provide details about upcoming climbs. That information would be useful for pacing but my Bolt is still going strong after years.

[@_ben_sweet]

I really like the bolt, but I’ve had terrible luck with them. Although the warranty has been great seeing as I’m on my 5th in 5 years 😅

[@Silidons91]

Another Element Bolt user here, going on 4 years now, absolutely zero issues besides one update that messed up the elevation gain which was quickly fixed by Wahoo with a firmware update. I actually sometimes feel bad for Wahoo for making such a great product, they would make more money if they were like Garmin and their shit didn't last as long lol.

[@topotu_7473]

Chose to go with the oddball Hammerhead Karoo 2 and honestly the Navigation and the screen are so good. Defenitely no regrets.

[@pl4free]

then why is everybody complaining that you either don't see anything on the screen or the battery-life is garbage? I also wanted to get one bcs of the map, but not seeing or only having 8h of battery just doesn't work for me... :/

[@topotu_7473]

@@pl4free the display is very good and the map is defenitelly more legible then the one from my garmin friends. The battery life is less because of the brighter display (and the battery unit is not as good as it could be) but if you are doing a 10+ hour ride you can put it it battery saver mode.

[@ConquerorDash]

@@pl4free I have yet to put mine at 100% screen brightness even in the summer. Battery life is worse than most competitors, but I don't ride for more than 8 hours in one go so I don't really care. The usability and functions are well worth the trade off for me. Alternatively you can also attach a power bank and load it while you ride, but at that point I would also rather get a different bike computer. Imo it's hard to really go wrong with most name brand offers these days. They all have their pros and cons.

[@whazzat8015]

Battery life on the Karoo is a simple function of having a Great screen. Only an issue on those 10 hour rides, for those who need an app to tell them to pee. /s Buy what you need. specs are mostly marketing anyway. Most all the data is extraneous ignorable chatter trying to sooth the insecure. Wow, my FTP's up 10! Yeah.

[@jeffreysaffir1375]

@@pl4free Don't include me in the "Everybody." Switched from a Garmin 830 Edge and haven't looked back. For my purposes it is awesome. Great navigation and map. Have had zero issues seeing it during my rides. Rode 6180 miles last year and never missed a beat. Battery isn't an issue for me as I have never gone below 60% on my rides. Average 3-4 hours a ride. I'm used to charging things nowadays so no big deal charging after my rides. Obviously it won't be for everybody especially if you do constant epic length rides and bike pack. I also appreciate the constant software updates they do to strengthen the platform and change things based on customer recommendations.

[@Roving_Cyclist]

You are the first person I've heard (other than myself) who specifically does not want a touchscreen on a cycling computer for EXACTLY the reason you cited. After a long ride it can take 5 minutes or more for me to dry off enough to use my phone at all. Just give me buttons. Consistent, reliable buttons.

[@mitchellsteindler]

I don't want a touchscreen either. That's why I have a wahoo...

[@NorCalCycling]

this guy gets it

[@wertyboy8704]

Sameeee I use edge 530. Love the buttons, it does everything I need it to do

[@syiridium703]

I also don't get it. I hope it's a fad caused by smartphones. Whoever thought to put touchscreen on cycling computer must have never cycled. Like "Hey, there is a sport where the equipment is going to be exposed to rain and sweat and also large portion of the people wear gloves. Let's give them device with controls that don't work well when wet or with gloves!"

[@mattlawrence5976]

My phone nearly dialed 911 for me because it couldn't handle the back sweat. Smdh

[@michiganstate149]

Went with a Bolt, now have a Roam. Can't complain with either. Never an issue with either of them. The few earlier Garmin's from 3-4yrs back had issues for me.

[@BeaverTerror]

Not disclosing in the video that this is a paid advertisement is disgustingly dishonest.

[@gonzalofrancoceballos]

I thought the same

[@ElliottHurst]

it says it in the description

[@gonzalofrancoceballos]

He changed it, it was not disclaimed anywhere before

[@Tea-Spin]

thanks for the heads up

[@danielakerman8241]

Lordy, get over yourself. There are A LOT of things in the world right now that are truly disgustingly dishonest. This isn’t one of them. This is a dude talking about bike computers to a very niche audience, on a monetized KZbin channel. Chill out and get yourself some perspective.

[@darrellstyner0001]

I've had a Garmin 520 for almost 9 years now. The battery still lasts more than 7 hours, no touch screen, and it does everything you demonstrated on the Trimm, plus you can put only the numbers you want on any page and the font scales to make the fields as large as will fit. Weight is 62g and it speaks both Ant+ and Bluetooth. I consider it "peak bike computer."

[@RottenDK]

I have a Wahoo element bolt V2 and i really like the small size and weight of it, yet the screen is really clear in all weather (even in full sunlight)

[@andrewlabat9963]

It is the best. I love my V2..

[@Shykovart]

Man that editing from 0:45 and the music! That was nice. Also - Karoo 2 one love. But I just like that gorgeous screen and the weight is not my problem)

[@kevinbuggie3808]

Avocet bike computer with the magnet on the spokes is where I started. Looking forward to getting the Trim one as my first computer of the modern era! Thanks for the great info as always!

[@EstelonAgarwaen]

i just got my hands on a karoo 2 last christmas. i love it. the software is just great.

[@ronskayakingandfishing414]

Wahoo for the win. When I was first looking for a bike computer in 2019, the Garmin people would say, "It works great, but sometimes it doesn't record my ride", or whatever. Never had one issue with my Wahoo, and I now have 3 of them. The first was the big blocky one, and my wife uses that. I have the two newer ones, the super small one for rides where I know where I'm going (most of them), and the one slightly larger in case I will need use maps.

[@BennyHubba]

I got the edge 520plus second hand for like 70 bucks. Works awesome. I like that when you use less fields, the text gets bigger. Great video!

[@throx]

Went from Garmin 510 to 530 to 1040. Loving the 1040, have no problem with the touch triggering in rain or sweat and the features are amazingly good. 25+ hour battery life is just bonkers and the ability to run user made apps is just icing on the cake.

[@DuoTheGodOfDeath]

Wow this whole time I've had my laptop mounted to my bike this whole time :(

[@NorCalCycling]

🤪

[@jasongrubb3350]

this whole time!?

[@pl4free]

Zwifting irl!

[@whazzat8015]

MacBook Aero?

[@DuoTheGodOfDeath]

@@jasongrubb3350I need to stop commenting on youtube videos when I'm tired :)

[@patrickd8135]

the 130 Plus is my absolute favorite. Simple, small, decent battery life, and has room for all my data screens I use.

[@whazzat8015]

But waaay overpriced. It and a phone would otherwise be fine for most all.

[@Raymond-Farts]

I have considered the 130 several times. The one reason I don't buy it is because I want the Radar on screen. Garmin need to update this wonderful little beast. Amoled display and a couple of new features would be awesome, but Nooooo!, Garmin come out with the 1050, a $700 computer that we didn't need.

[@byejason]

Still rocking my Garmin 510 bought in 2015. The battery is still good for at least 10 hours. When it finally dies I will definitely get another Garmin 5xx.

[@out_spocken]

I'm the same as you. Id probably replace the battery and have already made a hack for the worn buttons (which is why I'd arguably go a total touch screen next time) instead of upgrading if I can help it...but would probably consider a wahoo..given that it'd be a second hand buy an older Wahoos will probably be better than garmins for how they connect with phones. Currently having to create routes in Garmin connect and swap them over is a pain...but I don't do it enough to be an issue tbh.

[@pierrex3226]

I have a Garmin edge 530 and I quite like the climb function, where it shows you how much D+ you have left, the incline of various sections, and the distance left in the climb. It kind of gamifies climbing, but it also tells you how much you have left to know how hard you should/can push. Completely irrelevant for crits, obviously.

[@pokiblue5870]

im thinking to buy the garmin edge 540 ❤ almost went with the 840 but was thinking maybe the touchscreen i wont need it. I mean im riding so i shouldnt touch it too much lol

[@pskonejott2568]

appreciate that you are putting up the video to explain yourself even though I thought it's not necessary. hope you feel better!

[@andrewlabat9963]

I tried a few out, and without a doubt the best one I used and purchased, was the Wahoo Bolt V2. The interface, hands on operation, with or with out fingered gloves, the lack of a useless touch screen, just the right size, all made this the hands down winner for me. Not saying the only good bike computer, I'm not brand loyal or sponsored, as there are several that will do the job effectively, but it does it better than any other one..

[@CRBenham20]

been using the wahoo element for a few years now and love it. it has all the features i need, good battery life, easily customizable pages including maps/routes, a planned workout page that integrates very well with TR workouts, and you can create as many additional pages with as little as 1 metric or up to like 10 metrics on them. Plus with the custom pages, you can have multiple saved pages, but enable/disable the ones you want to use at any time. So for crits i may only have 1 page enabled so its always on that screen, but on long group rides or workouts you can turn on the other pages to see different information that may be relevant to what you want for that day.

[@gregjohns6326]

Appreciate the info here. Just bought a Bryton Rider 420 as I wanted the long battery life. The second part on the screens you use for training and racing is gold!!

[@evanlih4649]

really liked the cinematic intro b-roll!

[@Real28]

Love my Garmin 840 Solar. During summers I ride outside 5-6hrs a week so I get another 2-3 days of ride time without having to charge. Paired with my Garmin Radar, that's all I need. I spent the extra on the 840S because the 540S lacked some features I saw myself using and it has been a workhorse. But I'm fully in the Garmin ecosystem so staying within that makes sense. I even use a Garmin indoor trainer for winter.

[@whazzat8015]

Radar compatibility is a must if you venture on to the street

[@nemeanf27]

The latest Garmin edge 1040, 1040 solar and the edge explorer 2 have sorted out that issue with water going on the touch screen and messing up the screen. I've been using the explore 2 for about 18 months and had no issues with rain on the screen

[@jamespotts8372]

I'm glad there's a cycling computer for everyone. For years, I'd used a Quadlock case to hold my phone on the front of my bike. Last month, I upgraded to a Garmin Edge 1040 and I'm loving it. The OneLITE does look like a nice computer, and it also is a little stripped back for my taste.

[@shiibikku]

Love my Wahoo Bolt V2; one of the best purchases I have made in my cycling journey!

[@MichaelHarman0711]

Repeating multiple comments on here already, but Wahoo ftw. I had the original ELEMNT until my dog destroyed it, got the BOLT as a replacement and now have the ROAM 2. I've been running Beta for most of the time I've had it and only had one crash where I lost a ride. In my experience, Wahoo's are rock solid while I've talked to plenty of people with Garmin and you never know when it just won't record a ride or an update completely borks your computer. On a side note, Wahoo's customer support is top notch. When my dog chewed up my original ELEMNT they actually offered to let me send it in to them and see if it could be repaired. Unfortunately it had already gone in the trash, because what company is going to offer to repair an electronic device my dog chewed up, and of course trash pickup was that same day. But that offer cemented me as a customer probably for as long as I'm riding.

[@chrisko6439]

I don't know about the rules in your country, but here in Europe, you aren't allowed to put electronics in the normal trash. Pollution, you know.

[@MichaelHarman0711]

@@chrisko6439 Not saying I wasn't wrong to throw it in the trash, all I can say is I was younger and stupider. Nowadays I would have taken it to an electronics recycling place. And in the U.S. you have to actively try and get in trouble for that type of thing, and even then they'll probably just tell you not to do it again.

[@whazzat8015]

Avoid the bacon flavored models

[@topotu_7473]

It's probably worth mentioning that the Hammerhead Karoo 2 is not made to work with the Garmin quarter turn mount. It comes with an adapter for it but the native mount holds it a lot better.

[@thejohanh]

The included adapter definitely is flimsy, and wears out over time. I found that the part of the Karoo mount that goes into the head unit has the same mounting hole spacing as a Garmin adapter, so I was able to mount that part to my out front mount. Added a lot of piece of mind!

[@topotu_7473]

@@thejohanh good to know

[@TheGeoEngineer]

The native mount is awesome!

[@whazzat8015]

Mounts have been an issue since things got bigger than watches. Everybody's. And my costly little buddy, just went flying though the air, like it was some avionic that forgot no plane was there. just tether. or get a quadlock.

[@josecamilojimenez2784]

My adapter snapped but with some time and tools i was able to fix the adapter manually and i added 2 pieces of metal in the zone that constantly snaps and since then 0 issues, 1 thing to take in consideation is that some carbon mount adapters (the ones used with integrated handlebars), sometimes tend to vibrate to much and that casues issues with the barometric sensor of the karoo 2, so either you go with an alloy mount or a stiff carbon one cuz if not you could end up with ridiculous elevation gain calculations

[@CanyonWanderer]

Great comparison and reasoning for what to use when. Just for the record: The Karoo II does not run Linux but is in fact a customised Android OS based device, so when you said: getting close to telephone territory you were spot on 🙂 As a non-racer but touring cyclist I love my Karoo II most likely for those features you would not use 😉

[@brookshelley8884]

Just got a Trimm to try out. First impressions: - very light - no way to load workouts from training peaks or TrainerRoad even with the app. You can load a fit file but it doesn’t do anything - navigation is fine - works with my quarq power meter, whoop, and garmin varia

[@757foks]

"no way to load workouts from training peaks or TrainerRoad even with the app. You can load a fit file but it doesn’t do anything" Thats a huge no-no for me. Weird it's not in the vid. Easy uploading and tracking workout progress in real-time is a must have for anyone doing structured training imho.

[@connerburton2123]

Keegan still uses the 130 plus for racing!

[@TheLastFailbender]

Upgraded from my 130+ to the 540 and I love it!

[@johnathonsanchez8811]

I use to have a Wahoo element bolt V2 but it consistently gave me inaccurate elevation readings. I upgraded to a Garmin 1040, It's a bit bigger and heavier but I would not go back. I'm really digging the 1040, great piece of tech. Great video as always!

[@jhoff80]

Technically not wrong that the Karoo runs Linux but more accurate to say it is running Android.

[@lolbubs11111]

As does Wahoo, for what it's worth.

[@Cedi997]

I am currently looking for a heart rate monitor. I would find a short video on what you use and why very interesting. Keep up the great work! Love your channel!

[@rileybeldham3953]

I absolutely loved the garmin 130plus i was borrowing did everything i needed it to do, but as soon as i decided to buy a edge540 headunit it is so much better it does everything I need it to and more which is incredible.

[@SyLens1]

Wahoo still does it for me, racing and structured training. Navigation is up to date apart from maybe gravelroads actually being hiking paths. Only thing that could make me get a new computer is if theres one with an integrated dashcam or just a camera for taking pics or vids while riding so u dont have to take your phone out of the back pocket.

[@mikefj2004]

I absolutely 100% respect anyone’s personal choice when it comes to bicycling computers. Some people like feature rich computers by which 90% of the features they’ll never use like myself whereas some like simplicity. All is well. I love cycling dynamics on my display so the 1040 from Garmin is right up my hole. Happy cycling all!

[@2112bigd]

Love my Hammerhead K2. I don’t find it to be particularly heavy and it’s loaded with features I use. Nothing else comes close, IMHO.

[@yspegel]

It all depends on your goals. Are you attending serious competition, then yes, I understand the need for a cycling computer, I was among the first to adopt a polar heart rate monitor long before power meters were a possibility. Most people don't compete, I no longer compete in races. I'm just fine with using my phone, otherwise cycling can become an endless pit to poor money in, rather spend it on other things. I can attach my phone to the steer but often have him just in my back pocket (in plastic), just do the occasional check if I'm within set limits, works perfect for endurance training but even for interval and tempo I like to train on feeling, then check back home if I did right or need adjustment. I used to be too focused on data, trying to enjoy the ride more without.

[@huaperez]

I feel safe using my Karoo2 while traveling, it just has the best turn-by-turn navigation

[@dekta4]

ive been watching your vids for long time ...this convinced me to subscribe.

[@kungfucasey]

I enjoyed seeing , and hearing justification for the data pages you use on your various rides. I'm a data dork, and tend to err on the side of too much information. Keeping things simple is very attractive for me. Also +1 for the not-looking-at-computer during competition. It's so easy to be in your head and limit your performance.

[@HydeMyJekyll]

I've got an older Wahoo ELEMNT BOLT and the battery life was good for its time but isn't competitive any more with newer units like the Garmin 1040 Solar. I'm getting into doing ultra-distance races, so having a computer that can last more than 24 hours is extremely helpful.

[@stijnw5336]

I just replaced my Elemnt Bolt with the Bolt V2, can't imagine using anything else considering the value for money and simplicity of the computer.

[@me_jt]

I need a new computer and am very interested in the Trimm. Hopefully, they release Trimm 2 in May like you mentioned. If so, I'll just hold off til then. Thanks for the great review.

[@CoffeeFuelledCyclist-mb9nl]

I got a Karoo Hammerhead 2 last year and I love it so far. It was on sale for around $400 cad which was cheaper than a comparable Garmin. I always had a Garmin 500 size computer and the only thing I miss is the less frequent charging of the Garmin. Still, I can get 2 to 3 rides out of the Karoo (typical 2 to 3hr rides). The edge 500 did everything I needed except navigation, but I enjoy using the Karoo more. I'm using a Garmin mount adapter and have not had an issue with it coming off... guess I could use the supplied mount if it were an issue. I like the look of the slimmer design of the Trimm, but I doubt I'd switch until it's time for a new computer.

[@ajnevitt]

Hey Jeff, I have had several people around the USA and World ask if I know you when they see my Terun kit. Most recent one was Mooloolaba Queensland Australia about a month ago... You have a world wide following! Andrew

[@billkallas1762]

I started with the Avocet model 30, back in the 80's....because it was cool. After a few years, I started using wired Cateyes. Along with that, I splurged, and got a Polar Xtrainer plus that you could download your files to your PC. That lasted for years and years until the buttons wore out. Since I retired from racing 6 years ago, I've been using a Polar GPS watch type on my bars, along with my old Cateye, rear wheel pichup, wired computer. No power for me. I'm still riding with a10 speed 7800 12-25, along with 23/25mm tires (front/back)

[@Mgrant8163]

My Garmin Edge 510 is hanging in there like a champ (knocking on wood). One thing that you didn't touch on is the ability to change the screen using the Di2 buttons on top of the hoods. It's magic. The only improvement that I would make would be for the unit to change screens faster. Definately a delay once you hit the button, so bouncing back and forth on the sceens is a bit of a pain. Glad to hear that prices for these seem to be coming down with the Trimm.

[@russellinthebush2897]

I raced throughout the 80s and 90s. I used an Avocet. Still have it. I've been thinking about dusting things off and riding again. I just looked at the OneLITE and the speed/cadence sensors seem like a big nope to me. Why would anyone want that hunk hanging on their hub? Would it even work with old-style Campy Record? The small ring the Avocet used was sleek and fairly non-obtrusive.

[@jkjackson91]

Crazy, shopping for my first computer and this video was just uploaded….cyclist, enthusiast, and psychic! 😂

[@rayF4rio]

LOL... My first cycling "computer" was and analog front wheel odometer. But the worst were the early wired Cateyes with HR in the late 90's, very erratic HR tracking. Now I use a Garmin 840 solar, but also have the Bolt 2. Use the 840S mainly because of the longer battery life - too many things to charge now.

[@gregdartt2785]

There is another angle to this. If the only thing you're interested in is the device on your handlebars, then stop here. Otherwise, the back end integration is important. Data consolidation between different data sources, integration with training platforms, ability to load in 3rd party applications onto the unit, etc. In my experience (I haven't used all devices), the head end units all have the basics covered really well. It usually boils down to personal preference on the aesthetics and perhaps the screen navigation/configuration/layout. However, if you can't get the workouts you want/need from your training platform onto your head end unit without jumping through hoops then that is a real pain. I'll take a little less ideal screen layout than what I would really like in order to get the back-end integration and data consolidation that makes life significantly simpler. The bottom line is that I don't look at my head end unit all that much compared to the time I spend evaluating data and planning my next workout.

[@elijahauer]

Dude Jeff that montage topdown view in the beginning was STELLAR! perfectly aligned to the music. LOVE me some more of that! @norcalcycling

[@NorCalCycling]

thank you!

[@ruirodrigues9122]

Like anything modern Garmin. That connected to Garmin connect and dual sensing power pedals...get some pretty nice info from one's ride.

[@timothyreeves1585]

Will the Trim pair with a Varia radar? If so, what kind of heads up display are you getting? I don’t run one, but in my shop I notice it’s becoming more and more of a selling point

[@whazzat8015]

The Varia has become essential for me. To use it once is almost always a sale.

[@bigBlaCkMOnkey2]

One more thing if youre new to cycling and by new I mean like 3-4 months then I suggest sticking to the phone tracker app. Because at that point many of my friends too have bought a bike computer just for that pro looks. Im not saying bike computer is useless but at that stage just don't. Save it up for the future when you actually think that it might be worth it.❤

[@redshift5665]

X2. Until you decide to train with a power meter, there’s no big advantage to the modern bike computers vs using an app on your phone.. with one exception: they do allow you to get speed/cadence without the wires. And having all that data in the same app with your gps data becomes really attractive if you’re actually training. Also, bike computers are improving at a continuing steady rate.. so wait til you actually want to track all the data before taking the plunge. All that said, monitoring cadence and heart rate can be extremely valuable for new and returning riders.

[@J14Mizz]

The Trimmone lite is sold as a unit and with an option for the cadence sensor additionally. Cadence sensor says it doubles as a speed sensor if you rotate the battery cover? I assume that's for (bad) speed/cadence indoor computer training setups and it logs your outdoor speed via GPS and cadence via the additional sensor?

[@LockeLeviathan]

I get lost walking to my living room. Navigation is the single most important thing for me. Haven't messed with the Trim, but the Garmin 530 is working pretty well so far.

[@kennethward9530]

“Slow is smooth, smooth is fast”-NorCal Cycling “When it comes to computers, less is more” any NASA Engineer, also NorCal Cycling

[@joniii24]

Ive been using my garmin 530 edge for bout 3 years now but recently at a rainy ride, water went under the edge of the display. It still works but im worried that if i have a rainy race this season it will give up on me.

[@theorangehelmetguy]

Great comparison, on the trimm is there always that much black negative space on the top? Does anything show there during riding?

[@jamiemackenzie9708]

Wahoo Bolt for me too, small, light very reliable & survived a big crash last summer, what more could you ask!

[@ShawNshawN]

What do you recommend for 100s of mile touring vs racing. I like all the racing data, but likely won't be that concerned with that. Let me know.

[@Jarek.]

On the old Garmin you don't need to shut it down too. Sleep is working quite well.

[@robertades22]

10:15: how do you read those tiny numbers?

[@HelensHouse-g4f]

The little Edge from Garmin is a fantastic bike computer, especially for the price! It does just about everything, only the on screen map is the weak point. As I’m aging and my eyesight is getting worse I’m in need of a bigger screen and as I’ve run mine for about 3 years now and sadly the battery life is diminishing so I’m looking for a replacement. The 540 seems to the way to go.

[@joolski]

I had lots of bad experiences with Garmin, which made me switch to Wahoo. I've used a Bolt since it's release (monochrome) and I upgrades last year to the new Bolt. It's never failed and the screen is so easy to read. I use a Roam on my gravel bike, it's got a longer battery life and the larger screen is great for the maps.

[@johnphelan7663]

Here's an advantage of the Karoo2 that I use over the two Garmin 520s and a Wahoo Elemnt Bolt - its still working. Much happier with it than the others.

[@bitminerbob6731]

14 years into cycling and I'm still on the Garmin 510. Might be time for an upgrade I think!!! :D

[@eria3069]

I’m sorry but I’m not buying the part where the Karoo is too heavy that the quarter turn clips broke. We have two of those units that are over 3 years old, countless rough descents on gravel & MTB with no issues. Purely subjective opinions in this “review”. The Karoo is navigation first, and I think they mention that in their marketing. Perhaps you could have used the lanyard that came with it. Anyway, interesting video, cheers!

[@whazzat8015]

Tether?!! How analog! The Garmin mounts were designed for watches and esp on bouncy stuff any mount for anything will be challenged.

[@cathalkenneally1614]

Small screen on the Karoo 2 which isn’t a bad thing. No issues with the Garmin adapter that comes with it.

[@whazzat8015]

@@cathalkenneally1614 Nice to have young eyes. I put a tether on it after being down for two.

[@BikesKomsCRO]

Garmin all the way Edge series, syncs with your Fenix Watch and gives load / training structure - 130.. went to 530 to get the sync up feature so everything works together... and would only consider an upgrade once 540 / 840 falls in price.. i like that it auto detects climbs without having a GPX loaded in.. however wouldnt want to spend hundreds for that simple upgrade. 530 has been amazing.. best bang for buck IMHO.

[@NorCalCycling]

That auto climb thing is pretty cool especially in new areas. That’s the one thing the Karoo does best

[@Rob-qe9dd]

I have a 530 too but it does not auto detect climbs without having a gpx loaded ! Do you know how to enable it ?

[@BikesKomsCRO]

@@Rob-qe9dd 530 does not offer this. 540 and 840 and 1040 I think. But not worth the upgrade ONLY for that. Also SOLAR is a gimmick selling feature especially in the UK.

[@andresariasvelasco3216]

Hola el trimm se puede conectar a los cambios sram force axs 12v electrónico? Gracias

[@laurynasEV]

Anyone had the problem with small storage size for the Garmin 540? Cannot install all the Europe maps because of too low space. Seems weird nowadays especially given the price of this thing.

[@DallasCajun]

Intrigued with the Trimm but Out of Stock and no timeframe or tool on their website to sign up for In Stock Updates.

[@Windband1]

I use the Garmin 530 and it is totally perfect for an amateur like me!

[@nuttynut722]

it's an AD

[@prep1989]

I went with the Bryton 420. Has everything I need and a lot more data than I'll ever use. It integrates with my Garmin radar, Garmin hr monitor, power pedals... It does not have a mapping feature, but I pretty much know where I'm going. If I get lost, I have my phone. I paid a little more, but now it's under $100, which was important given the price of Garmin head units. I didn't need color screen or map, but you can get that with an upper level model. Some odd button locations, but you get used to it after a few rides. Just my $0.02. Thanks for the review.

[@newttella1043]

Good thing you have good spatial IQ. So many of my riding buddies don't. Which seems to coincide with a low technical IQ. Weirdly they all insist on the "best" Garmin money can buy, but only use speed, ride time, and maybe cadence. Not an issue on road rides with good cell coverage but on our gravel rides without cell coverage, riders getting lost, missing turns is frustrating because they don't download the gpx files beforehand...and not knowing how to use gps in general 😅

[@whazzat8015]

Priced as they should be! Buy what you need

[@fedoresko]

Just curious, is it crucial for you to monitor NP and TSS on the go? Personnaly I use this things to analyse post factum how actually workout was done to adjust future plans. But how do you use these metrics during workout in practice?

[@ignaciosevil2157]

what do you think about MAGENE 606 bike computer?

[@paulflory3532]

Edge 840 (non solar) hits the sweet spot size-wise for me, 1040 is just too big. Riding solo a lot, so Varia RTL is really helpful for me. With MyBikeRadar Traffic data field (free but works only on Garmin) speed of approaching traffic is displayed and recorded.

[@kenhunt]

Looks nice, it might be worth looking at when it gets USB-C.

[@shirtlessGraveler305]

My last Garmin flew off when I was pushing buttons on it three years ago on a fast group ride, never found it since then I have switched to Leyzne. They’re just pretty much basic LCD style computers. They’re not progressive like the other brands but I like the locking mechanism they don’t fall off. I have one computer and I got a program for gravel mountain bike in my road bike. And the battery last for days that’s because it’s LCD. It’s very dated and it’s design. And yes I know that. I’m not even sure if the company is really caring about progressing with their computers these days, but I’m gonna keep using it for now.

[@kennyxsd]

I find 20 second power is also good for group rides. When your out front on a pull you can see your overall average power for that pull. I guess you can use the lap button for that too. But I have it on my main workout page under 3 second power

[@calpitruzzello3544]

@NorCal Cycling how well does it work with rear radar?

[@aRlyWeakCyclist]

Sad that Wahoo wasn't mentioned in this video, as they have headunits that tick most boxes desired by Jeff such as buttons, not having an over-abundance of features, etc.

[@NorCalCycling]

i've just never used one, but i've heard good things

[@aRlyWeakCyclist]

@@NorCalCycling I can understand that. Maybe someone from wahoo can reach out to ya but from the sound of it in your video, those units definitely have what you like feature-wise.

[@alphagadget1]

My main complaint about the Wahoo computers is the inability to set auto-lap based on location. If you want lap data in a crit it's important to have laps be calculated based on the start/finish line because lap distance can vary for a multitude of reasons (varying lines, crashes, free laps, etc.). I love just about everything else about my Roam v2 (and previous v1), but this might actually make me switch next time.

[@hans.k3534]

Had a trimm one lite before, but sadly the waterproofing didn't worked for me. Had it less than 6mths, water got it, send back, got it back, soon after a month or 2 it happened again and I give up on it. Otherwise, it has enough features for most folks. Hope they had improve since then.

[@TheAntoine191]

We have different priorities but for adventure mtb the big detailed colored map on the 1030 1040 is a big plus. Also it does everything else well but obviously with that price tag it can.

[@martingesser3846]

Why does the Trimm only just 75% of the screen?

[@fredbr95]

Great video as always, since you mentioned it, can you make a video about big gear work for strength purpose? Thanks!

[@YisusBike_engineer]

The best is wahoo element and roam 2. Best of the best, the screen is beautiful in any condition, and sensor light adjust the brightness.

[@10ktube]

With the Trim model, does it export/import into Garmin Connect? I'm so invested in the Garmin ecosystem at this point, for better or for worse, I'd quiver at switching.

[@PeterPutz82]

If you bought a Wahoo Elemnt Bolt at the start, you'd still be using it today. I upgraded to the version 2 just for a better screen, I still use the version 1 on the trainer.

[@JFRGarcia6]

Hey nice content - liked the topic. Short question did you tried the iGPSPORT BSC300 or do you have any opinion about it? Thank you!

[@marianocohen14]

I´m using a Wahoo Elemnt Bolt V1, I really don´t use the navigation, so it does the trick for me, integration wise with strava, TP and workouts works just fine. The only bad thing about it is that after 4 years the side buttons cover has come loose, so I watch out for rainy weather, but other than that, I would say 8.5 or 9 in my case out of 10

[@levicjackson]

Still on the 130+. I love that little computer.

[@SnowmEVE]

I have the Hammerhead Karoo 2 and it has the best navigation and screen. Never had any issues with the mount snapping. Only thing that is disappointing is the battery life when you use navigation on long ride (150km+) The system runs android. You can also write your custom data fields / visualisations too.

[@whazzat8015]

All cycle comps bigger than watches have mount issues. Just tether. I carry an external bat for my phone, covers the K2 if needed

[@DavidvdGulik]

@NorCal Cycling What do you use for overlays these days? Since Garmin VirbEdit is no longer useable?