Ranking all the Bikes I've Owned

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[@reubenabela3063]

"i dont want this to be a 30 minute video" - uploads a 30 minute video

[@NorCalCycling]

Finished the edit and it’s almost exactly 30 min 😂

[@reubenabela3063]

@@NorCalCycling i'll let it pass cos you rated my T1550 with an A 🤣

[@acemodean]

😂

[@alfabethev2.074]

With a LOT of ads. alooot!!

[@michaelcullen4990]

​@@NorCalCyclinggood review, I enjoyed the video 💯 I like the oldskool equipment and carbon bikes myself, I use a 1999 us postal trek 5500 with 10 speed instead of 9and I love it, fits like a glove I much prefer it to the modern stuff, it's lightweight, reliable, nice geometry and very comfortable and competitive with today's standards I feel, new subscriber from 🇨🇮👌

[@Nehpets1701G]

The Venge is such a beautiful bike - it really has a soul. I could imagine if I was a young teen and into road bike racing, I would put up a poster of it on the bedroom wall.

[@yourdeadjack]

😂

[@JoseLCiclista]

I used to look at bikes all the time trying to decide which one was the coolest and ever since I saw the Venge I couldn’t believe how good it looked. Close second would be the cannondale system six

[@vapor78]

Style have my s works venge 2020 and it’s rocking here in France. Love this bike.

[@Opressed]

I was always curious what Edward Snowden was riding through the years

[@larrylinder242]

Great video Jeff...you make me a proud Papa. Love you man!

[@eto2352]

Big winners: Venge- Specialized was ahead of the curve with this one. Winspace 1550 - for the money, it's holding it's own in A tier. Great video, enjoyed hearing your thoughts!

[@lukewalker1051]

To this day, there are riders who won't sell their Venge. Cult bike. Thanks for the review Jeff.

[@mikehall6608]

For the headset top cap, the right engineering term is "compression set". Initially the pre-load will apply a force to the cap, this compresses the cap by some mils (strain), and is met with an equal opposing force from the cap on the stem, resulting in stresses in the cap material - proportional to the pre-load. With plastics, over time you get what is called "stress relaxation", where the amount of stress in the material decreases, but the amount of strain stays constant. So you end up with a decreased pre-load, and eventually no pre-load, resulting in a rattly headset. To fix this, you just have to apply the pre-load again, and compress the cap again by an additional amount of mils - then the cycle continues, until you get to a point where the geometry of the cap no longer resembles what you started with.

[@NorCalCycling]

Yep, a bad design that can be fixed by using aluminum

[@derekkuhl]

Love my Soloist. Rode a Emonda for years. Got a chance to ride a Soloist at camp and was sold. Selling the Emonda. One thing though that does not get as much press as it deserves is geometry and fit. The Soloist was so much better for me geometry and fit wise. For many of us, a bike that fits can move a bike from a personal B class to a personal S class.

[@marcustan5868]

Which emonda year did u have? I have the 2022 emonda

[@fh6758]

Yesterday I was watching documentary about Ed Snowden. Today I was looking at the thumbnail and thinking, why the hell Snowden is ranking his bikes 😂😂😂

[@Tsnor150]

Very enjoyable review. Nice job. What interested me was the criteria and how you felt about each bike. I don't own and don't plan to own any of these bike, but the 30 mins went by in a flash.

[@NorCalCycling]

Amazing compliment, thank you

[@matkrek]

I always wanted a Venge but the Winspace T1550 really hit the spot. Great to hear your positive comments on both

[@MrKrekkie]

Hired a Tarmac with 105 mechanical groupset for a holiday back in 2015. It was a great bike which gave me a very confident feeling.

[@davidfrisbie4169]

Thank you, thank you, thank you! Ever since I 1st started watching your channel I've wanted you to make this bike comparison video. I greatly appreciate your unflinching honesty in all of your review videos. It helps us enthusiasts for whom spending $2500 on a bike, plus extra for wheels and components means something.

[@Bonboy2012]

Nothing wrong with the longer video 😄

[@brannmitchell4602]

One thing I'll say about the SL7 is that, at least mine anyway, it is very, very stable at high speeds. Well, I don't go much above 35mph these days, but it feels confidently planted, not affected by crosswinds too much, and goes exactly where it's pointed. That's S-tier for me! Maybe it's all the big, aero headtube energy, or something. I had an aluminum Allez Sprint for a while, that bike felt like it was actively trying to hurt me :D

[@jrasero23]

My two bikes are a 2022 Scott Foil RC (last gen) and a 2023 Winspace T1550 with mostly SRAM Force D2 and I can say the WInspace T1550 is a maybe a tad too niche in that it's not the lightest (17.25lbs with pedals, cages, mounts, sensors, heavy saddle, tubeless) and it is almost unforgivingly stiff, but for the money the only bike that really compares is a Canyon but those come with cockpit fit issues where you are paying about $1000 more once you factor in the $100 shipping fee, $230 Pace Aeroo drops, and $200 Pace T Bar for a Canyon Aeroad SLX Ultegra Di2. In contrast my fully built T1550 Disc Force D2 with a Red chain and cassette and 2023 Hyper D45 with GP5000 S TR, SWORKS Mirror Saddle, BBInfinite one piece Ceramic BB and and Ceramic Oversized Jockey wheels cost $6000. Now for some the $1000 to go with a big name brand even though it's direct to consumer is well worth it because as you can see the resale value of Chinese direct to consumer bikes isn't great and some people probably are still skeptical on customer service.

[@DamascusHarris]

I don't race but I started riding in 2006 and my journey mirrors yours somewhat. My first bike (a Fuji Newest 4.0 that was $400) was stolen from the garage along with my wife's bike. I took the insurance proceeds and bought a 2008 Fuji Roubaix Pro which I rode for 11 years. Shimano Ultegra mechanical, rim brakes, carbon fork. I upgraded the wheels to some decent Mavic aluminum ones with 23mm tires. I did not maintain that bike well outside of getting an annual tune up during the last 6 years I owned it. I gave it to my brother in law who still rides it. My first carbon bike was a used 2012 Wilier SR1 DB that I bought in 2019, with a frame that was one size too large. It came with Sram double tap (which I came to like) and mechanically actuated disc brakes with hybrid calipers. I learned A LOT about bike components, bike fit, doing my own repairs, tire sizes and compounds, as well as riding metrics on that bike. I then sold it and got a 2022 Trek Domane SL6. I had bought a set of Bontrager 50mm carbon wheels that I used on the Wilier (which I sold with the Fulcrum 4 aluminum wheels I bought it with) that I swapped out for the Bontrager 25mm aluminum wheels that were standard on the Trek. I enjoyed the Domane well enough. I bought it the day I had knee surgery and figured that the excitement of a new bike would push me to train on the other side of of it. I was right. It was a good bike but sluggish when compared to Wilier. One day I did a repair on the Fuji I'd give my brother in law and was struck by how damn heavy the Domane was. I just sold the Domane and bought an 8th gen Madone Sl6. I've upgraded the rear hub on the Bontrager 55's so they are snappier (DT Swiss 350's, I did that while still on the Domane as I realized the hub on the Bontrager 25mm's were quicker) and I'm finding the Madone to better. Turns out I like race geometry when it is sized right. Thanks for sharing your journey and rankings.

[@benhardwick1970]

Great video! I’m building up the new winspace T1550 gen 2 with ultegra di2 and magene db508 wheels for racing next season. Looking forward to racing on my first ever aero bike

[@the_lime_]

If I remember correctly, the CL50's were supposed to be tubeless compatible, but Sagan had a massive blowout jumping up onto a curb close to the launch date of the wheel set. Rather than deal with a potential recall or a delayed launch, Spesh just removed the sticker from the packaging. I don't remember if Sagan was just unlucky or if there was a flaw in the manufacturing

[@NorCalCycling]

ya, teammates ran them tubeless and didn't have problems, it just doesn't fill me with confidence when the manufacturer/engineers aren't backing that technology.

[@lolbubs11111]

Giving the Felt FR with hydro disk brakes and 11sp di2 and clearance for 28s or whatever the same rating as the 2012 era rim brake bikes that could only clear 23s is criminal man. That one deserved at least a B.

[@aldrinclementina4297]

The First one. The rear part is called wishbone. That rear carbon part was meant to soften the ride. The Aethos is a conventional / classic bike but expensive.

[@soulsurfer8797]

Check out his hand symbol at 4:21 in the video….clearly waving the “Ok” symbol aka WP symbol. I would unfollow this guy.

[@aaceytuno]

Your ranking looks like a standard Distribution curve , which means your ranking is more than likely correct (statistically speaking) .

[@pierremaggi8661]

Only if he was picking his bike independently, which he was not ;)

[@bart1001001]

Roval CL50 on Venge Pro were tubeless ready. Roval Rapide CL I on SL7 Pro and CLX I on S-Works SL7 were not.

[@NorCalCycling]

Noted. I wasn’t running tubeless road in 2020

[@fuxiuyan6063]

I believe all Venge are made in fact11 carbon as the different between Swork and pro are in the titanium bolts that come with the bike.

[@brockjennings]

The bicycle I miss the most was my old 2003 Jamis Quest. It was Reynolds 531 steel in an all chrome finish. First generation SRAM Apex and bombproof 32 hole Velocity Aerohead hoops. Total mule.

[@CannedFishFiles]

Before e-bikes and scooters took over the city, I used to see the Eurobike all the time. I knew what it was, I could never believe it when I saw it.

[@davidnicholson6680]

In talking to P12 racers at Grit this year, the Winspace is pretty universally liked as a race bike. Price isn't a factor on Jeff's list, but it is for everyone else and the Winspace is basically half the price of everything else here. Also, the new version has a T47 BB and uses more advanced manufacturing processes.

[@Bearzly19]

@norcal cycling can you talk more to the soloist from different types of races? And with the different bar / wheel setups? I know you’ve got a season on it but have kept changing stuff up

[@dfbdf3324]

Listen to this Specialized -- WE ALL WANT A NEW VENGE

[@Miriboy]

Impossible. The current Venge is already the fastest... when Spesh released it, it was 15 years ahead of its time.

[@jackbackus2183]

I had that exact same Venge (gorgeous green) and sold it. Stopped racing and it was one bike too many. Have regretted it ever since! 😢

[@ChinCycling]

Great video Jeff, I’m moving from my fully aero Ribble Ultra SLR and building a Soloist with SRAM red and Enve 4.5s, can’t wait to until it’s done, I think it’s the most underrated all rounder bike out there which is strange considering how good it looks aesthetically and the premium brand of Cervelo

[@NeimanLevenson]

get the R5 top cap and R5 spacers for the soloist. they work so much better. just take the very top spacer and sand the lip in the back down some so it sits flat. integrates nicely with any integrated bar/stem combo too. Im running r5 top cap/spacers with black inc aero integrated bars

[@NorCalCycling]

pro tip, thank you!

[@NeimanLevenson]

@@NorCalCycling absolutely, they look great on the soloist

[@cnosby]

I have the R5 top cap and spacers. I had that issue after about a month of ownership. Haven’t had it happen since. It’s been a little over a month. Hopefully it was just a one time deal.

[@SRK5227]

I have a Fuji Roubaix 2.0. Put 5,000 miles on it. Really enjoyed it, but it's comparatively heavy. On an Ultimate now, but the Fuji now serves honorably as my Zwift trainer.

[@ebsalonga]

Since you got the Enve stem on your Soloist, you should get the top cap that’s made for that stem.

[@trentvlak]

I'm not sure what the Ultralight RC was supposed to be. Like you say, it was heavy. The straight Ultralight was pretty light. Your hair looks S tier in this vid, btw. Who's your stylist?

[@hedleykerr3564]

Great video Jeff! 2013 I had the a Felt F1 then 2 years are team went to Focus Izalco! My friends would always ask where’s your Felt. I would say the Felt was nice but now it’s time to get Focus!

[@Gabrielle4870]

I started on 2009 Fuji Roubaix, the Apollo then Cervelo R3...now I have the Focus Izalco Max 9.7 - I think the new Focus bikes are very different to the old ones. Worth a comparison... to me it is a do it all bike.

[@bigwil91]

keepig my Venge 4 life!

[@roby330i5]

Cheers! That was an entertaining 30 mins.

[@robertjmillerma1059]

Thanks for the honest evaluations 👍 really helps a lot 👏👏👏

[@matserdingud]

22:20 might be worth noting that the current (gen2) of the T1550 has threaded BB.

[@NorCalCycling]

👍

[@GregMethven]

Very helpful Video, confirms my own thoughts 100% . Puts my Evo where I expected and my old felt and TCR too 😮! Thinking 🤔 of buying a new bike so very timely! Thanks 😊

[@departurexx1520]

Hey Jeff, if the VENGE is on ENVE 5.6 tubeless setup would you rank it higher or would you still race on it? 😜

[@highfived]

I’m so surprised about the poor review of the giant tcr I never heard bad review of a tcr before very interesting

[@NorCalCycling]

wasn't that bad, just wasn't that good, which perfectly describes the tcr 😉

[@highfived]

@@NorCalCycling it was a bad review and extremely short too but I love your channel keep up the good work brother

[@scottwatson7844]

Was it the spec that held it back or the frame. Need to be more specific.

[@DanaBlack]

I think the "bad review" from the public in general shows when you look at used TCR prices and they're a lot lower than "comparable" bikes of the same year

[@alfonsokhiew2872]

To be fair, it was a base level TCR. And that base bike is pretty meh after all. So not wrong in his assessment

[@AustinIsTheGreatests]

Lol, glad to know felt sold out to those press fit bottom brakets i had trouble with as well. Corporate really wanted to save like $8 per bike and make us all suffer trying to fix the creaks.

[@bluemovies3397]

"Tiara" lol... reminds me of when Sean Kelly couldn't remember the name of the groupset one level below Dura Ace :'D

[@NorCalCycling]

ya i noticed this after i recorded 🤷‍♂️

[@lennart_1232]

I saw the whole thing. Maybe you could do another video about what you would recommend to get for which purpose. You seem to have gathered much experience about what is useful on bikes and what not.

[@benvicius672]

Going back to Ultegra mechanical was hard 😂. That's right up there with the spare Dura-Ace drawer.

[@NorCalCycling]

15+ years of gear accumulation and obsession with this sport. But don’t be fooled, expensive equipment isn’t a prerequisite for success

[@JonathanHair]

I'm still on 23s! I rarely ride my road bike and need to wear them out before upgrading

[@Soycatdad]

I wonder what your take would be on a Pinarello, lets say a Dogma. Very curious as to what your critiques, pros / cons would be.

[@mypojam]

Was a bit surprising to see Aethos in the B category but then I realized this list is for racing! Phew 🤗

[@Mattskis36]

Aethos is the people's bike!

[@badumdish1997]

There is an alloy stem for the Foil that costs 100 bucks I think. It's a bit on the heavy side but with that you an run any handlebar you want

[@xyomama4u2]

>snaps frame in half and collarbone 'wow this was the best thing ever, s tier'

[@littlevo9]

I have 2023 sl7 s-works it’s the best bike ever made !!

[@shanel2811]

Well reviewed with real life experience!!!

[@scotkudron9537]

I am curious about the spec on the CL50 wheels. I bought the CL50 wheelset in 2019 and they came with plugs to fill the spoke holes to make them tubeless. Rim tape could also be used according to the spec when I purchased them. There were a lot of qualifiers such as tire brand and width as well as rider weight.

[@DELIVERINGRoutes]

The cl50 on the venge where tubeless ready.

[@NorCalCycling]

Noted. Strange they went back to not tubeless ready. In any case I wasn’t running tubeless road in 2020 although I should have

[@Tomatron2k]

Great vid, thank you! I’ve recently got the 2023 Tarmac SL7 with Shimano 105 Di2 and upgraded wheels. Bike now weighing in around 7.5kg. Since you’re experienced on Specialized and Tarmacs in particular I’d love to see you video/get your thoughts on how they compare.

[@kenschwarz8057]

That was fun and interesting. Didn’t you also ride an Argon 18? Where would that fall?

[@NorCalCycling]

I never road an Argon

[@josharnold3450]

Focus izalko was a banger. Loved focus bikes.

[@MrJaycobsen]

I have specialized crux and that headset is tough to get right too. I just have do be real careful not to put too much preload just a tiny bit or it binds.

[@Wheels419]

Try an Argon 18. It’s my go to ride. Small production but fits like a glove

[@BradleyPierson-p2m]

Great video. How have you liked the Enve 2-piece aero cockpit on the Soloist and are you still happy you chose it over the Enve one-piece?

[@ShawnIsBatman]

Great video Jeff, thanks! Two questions, 1) which would you designate as your "favorite" bike of all time? and 2) of these bikes, if you had to pick one to do all of your riding from this day forward, which would it be?

[@SRK5227]

Great review.

[@acemodean]

Great video. Would you say the biggest improvements were alu to carbon frame and alloy to carbon wheels?

[@Climate.Realist]

I really was between getting the Soloist or the Enve Melee. And after hearing the critique about the stem I really am happy I went with the melee. Just sad that you haven’t ridden it in order to rate it as well. I would assume it might not be as stiff as you would want it to be. But that’s just something I‘d guess.

[@passwordman1]

When did crits go from being mostly aluminum in the field to full carbon?

[@Hokum48]

Hi Jeff, I'm a little confused because my 2020 Venge Pro Sram Force came with 2bliss ready CL50`s. I ride them tubeliss but never had to tape them! I still own the bike I love it!

[@NorCalCycling]

I guess they were tubeless ready in 2020 but not 2021. weird decision by S, in any case I wasn’t running tubeless in 202 although I should have.

[@Hokum48]

@@NorCalCycling I was actually really happy to see you gave the Venge an A! I have the SRAM Force build and the teal color still turns heads! There are times when I think about selling it to maybe get a lighter bike, but then I realize that would be a bad idea! About 6 months ago I bought a Roval Rapide cockpit for it.... All good! BTW the Soloist carbons are very nice!! GB

[@Lupi33z]

good to know what bikes Ed Snowden has been riding around

[@Savaios]

20:00 You can compress them with alluminium cap and then swap it for plastic back. I do not see issue. Btw do you think that pure areo heavier frames are much more durable for heavy riders due to more materials used?

[@NorCalCycling]

You must be thinking about the cap above the stem, I’m talking about the one above the frame, below the stem

[@Savaios]

@@NorCalCycling Ok sorry. So its really shit design then :D

[@gregbrown3764]

You said your teammate replaced the Soloist bearing cap; do you know what the manufacturer was that had the aftermarket part?

[@Paintballa4life96]

dam so thats why it squeaks on the soloist when you turn the bars sometimes?? I have to loosen the stem bolts and press down and retighten... Done it twice already

[@KoenMiseur]

Love my Aethos (I don't race) S-Tier for me (it also looks so good)!

[@Miriboy]

Jeff, always a biggest fans of your video. It was your channel that got me interested into crit racing. Love it. Plase keep up the good job in providing excellent content! I own the spesh Venge S-Works (the lastest version) and got it since 2020. With all the advancement in the bike industry up until now, I had always wondered how does the 2020 Venge compared to today's most advanced technological bicycles. How would you rate the Venge if you were to change out the Roval wheelset with the 2020 Enve AR wheelset (tubeless ready hookless disc wheels) and also, how would you compare that to the latest SL8 S-Works (or any other most modern race bikes)?

[@cnosby]

Omg. I love my cervelo soloist. The top cap on my soloist does the same thing. I have the R5 stem. I’ve only had the bike for 2 months and would rather not deal with it continuously. You said your buddy got an aluminum top cap? I only see one option. Could you provide more details?

[@MrSzwarz]

I wonder if you would ride and test LOOK, TIME 01, Colnago, and Bianchi etc

[@edam9461]

I've got a felt FR2 and agree that it wouldn't be a very good Crit bike as it's not stiff or Aero enough. My geo was more aggressive than the Canyon aerode of the same year just less stiff. More of a road racer than Crit racer.

[@simonderoo9189]

Scott has an alloy stem for the foil, and this would allow you to use handlebars like the enve ses aero

[@NorCalCycling]

You buy their flagship and immediately have to downgrade to an alloy two piece which is heavier and less stiff. And you have to pay for this downgrade 🤦‍♂️that’s why I couldn’t give it higher than a B

[@simonderoo9189]

@@NorCalCycling yeah that's true. In the store I work in we will switch them and buy the integrated bar back. I have a 2022 look 795 blade and it also only has one option, a proprietary alloy stem that would work amazing as an anchor.

[@mudonsunday]

Jeff, if they have to be judged by today’s standards then the C&D bikes shouldn’t even be in this comparison.

[@NorCalCycling]

Using a standard is the only way to fairly compare bikes. generally, newer bikes are better because the technology gets better, but not always. some of the older bikes I rated C+ (like the 2013 Felt, for example) are capable and can be had for dirt cheap. Hope that helps!

[@timtaylor9590]

the felt ar rim brake is the best

[@JuanAsencio-jc2ms]

in defense if the BH, which ive owned since 2014, the RC model is designed to be more comfortable that The Ultralight, and Ultralight EVO, which i also owned for some years. In my opinion, The EVO was truly amazing for crits and climbs. not flex at all, compared to the RC.

[@MrShanebizzle]

Great video man thanks!

[@TheDiegis]

Cause of you I got the venge pro (sram) 😂 than switched to sworks venge, no regrets great bike but I ended up with the melee since I was so used to Enve wheels and components. Will be nice if you can review that bike, for me it just feels a well tuned Venge on steroids 😁

[@wonchoe]

Hi Jeff -- Did you feel much difference between the Pro and SWorks SL7 framesets? Stiffness/Ride quality/Handling? Or is it only a weight difference? I've heard conflicting reports. Some say the Pro frames are softer, while others say it's just heavier. Thanks!

[@NorCalCycling]

Feel about the same, the difference is in the weight which mostly has to do with the higher end groupset

[@cjfetters]

Atheos or Tarmac SL6? I am 50 and do group rides on the weekends, but my riding volume is growing as I continue to get back into riding and better shape.

[@NorCalCycling]

I would go SL6

[@peterers3]

I think Giant bikes are great for new comers and amateurs in the sport because they do many things well and are affordable! I love my Giant TCR adcanced 2 2019 im from Europe and dont do crit racing.

[@highfived]

Where are the time stamps ?

[@shimona500]

2019 venge pro had the exact same frame as s works. Fact 11r lol

[@invisiblescout6335]

The venge pro is in fact the same frame as the s-works venge

[@kmac720]

Really odd that you raced such a low level TCR, I feel like that hurt the giant a bit. My team TCR came with Di2 etc.

[@tomtennant2012]

Venge Pro 👌

[@darshenjason3164]

What ever happened to Fuji Bikes? They used to make good value bikes

[@ollieguile6375]

Would there maybe any really good cheap all round bike that would be great for a budget of 2500 USD? Love you content by the way

[@musclelessfitness2045]

How did you like those pre-2013 Easton wheels? I have the same and I still love them.

[@NorCalCycling]

They were good by pre 2013 standards but modern road tubeless is better. Also couldn’t stand changing tubular with the glue and the mess. I had crap luck and flatted them routinely

[@musclelessfitness2045]

@@NorCalCycling : Yeah, it's hard to deal with tubular tires. However, there are better tire choices like the 25mm Continental Sprinter and GatorSkin. Under1400g for a 55mm deep wheelset is still pretty good.

[@carerra911]

I have the scott foil and feel C was a bit harsh concidering you was going to put it in S

[@NorCalCycling]

scott foil is B

[@darrengarvie8832]

I use the same focus today and I can get 28mm on it with room to spare

[@Gabrielle4870]

And modern Izalco max can handle 32 gravel tyres no worries. Very versatile bike.

[@marcustan5868]

Soloist vs supersix evo?

[@JimUe1]

Great video Jeff. Thanks. I remember you knocking the Tarmac Pro for coming with 1x? And in your old TCR intro video, seemed to portray the TCR as effectively equivalent in ranking to the Tarmac. Happy to hear there is a difference.

[@IsaacRC]

Aethos yes thanks

[@JibbaJabber]

Compression lost! What happened to the clamping force of the stem on the steerer?

[@NorCalCycling]

Still there, but the load on the bearings wears off as the plastic cap deforms so you get play in the headset