Everything You Need to Know about the Hapans - Thrawn's Revenge Faction Guide

[@9skyman945]

Considering the fact that I love turtling in my own playthroughs, I think I'm going to enjoy the Hapans a lot.

[@blackwolfecc]

I wish I could give more than 1 thumbs up. I’ve been having a fucken BLAST runnen a Hapans campaign. And thr models…. Omg, so goooooood. The TR team really went above and beyond with these guys. Excellent job!!!

[@nonyabisness6306]

It's so funny to see the progress that has been made on these projects, especially since the first playable version all those years ago.

[@kR-qj7rw]

pulsars hitting defense stations with their makimum range and retreating to regen shields is a dance that often ends up with the golan strip naked and damage ships moving closer. well done with the unit combo roster and ssists EAWX team :)

[@DerDai]

gotta say i prefer the Betas due to their lack of hardpoints, the lower unit count & the way lower price, so those are my main counters to dreadnoughts & battlecruisers

[@mynamejeef7166]

@@DerDai why do either tactic tho if stations are heavily guarded OR you carry enough firepower to overwhelm a golan? seems like a waste of time and willingly risking losses for no reason

[@DerDai]

@@mynamejeef7166 using Betas results in a lower unit count, so I can bring more firepower onto the battlefield & fleettenders make the losses less likely, especially compared to a pulsar that can't be healed fully after a hardpoint (the engine is obviously the most problematic if you use guerilla tactics) is destroyed. But neither the Pulsar nor the Beta should be in the frontline, I use either a tanky unit (f.e. a captured Secutor) or a Battle Dragon (that is in range of at least 2 tenders) as a bullet sponge so the rest of my fleet won't get targeted as much & don't forget that the Beta uses a bigger ion cannon category, so it can fire from even longer ranges than the pulsar. You just have to watch out they don't come too close to the enemies on their own - the reason they do this is propably so they can use their other weapons as well (& since these have a more limited range they move forward automatically)

[@mynamejeef7166]

@@DerDai Why do all the complicated microing tho if in 9/10 cases the ai fleet is so weak they can be overwhelmed with brute force like i once got attacked by 700 points worth of ships and had about 250-300 myself and somehow lost nothing despite me using no tactics

[@DerDai]

@@mynamejeef7166 it doesn't have to be complicated microing, just doing the positioning properly in the beginning of the battle is already half the job done (same when using the Pulsars, but with fewer risks due to the lack of hardpoints & the longer range)

[@alecpalmer1538]

Just got into this mod and I love it. It would be cool if you made a video like this for each faction, though I know that might be a lot of work for some content that has been around for a long time.

[@Spectacular_Insanity]

Hapan Battle Dragons don't have hard points, so spamming them alongside fleet tenders and/or Ta'a Chume makes for an absolutely withering frontline. Add in some carriers and frigates for anti-starfighter coverage, and you're good to go. You'll lose a few Battle Dragons here and there by using them on the frontline, but they're really cheap to replace, relatively speaking.

[@DaHALOSHOCK]

Honestly never tried the Hapans. but after watching this i think i might just do one.

[@implodinggoat]

4:20 What is that mini SSD the Hapes are fiighting?

[@CoreyLoses]

Communications battleship

[@stormtrooper2466]

once again I am saying this guy could read me the phonebook and I’d listen

[@DIEGhostfish]

Speaking of Targetable Hardpoints why are Gladiator Star Destroyers above the threshold? They're the same length as a Battle Dragon and only slightly wider (And nowhere near as tall but height doesn't exactly matter.)

[@NiiRubra]

It's just one of the Hapan's three unique faction abilities, even if some of their ships are cruiser-sized, they tend to not have targetable hardpoints (the other two abilities are stronger space stations and immunity to nebulae).

[@DIEGhostfish]

@@NiiRubra Ah I didn't quite realize they weren't just "500m is the limit" but they got an extended limit as well. A shame, the Gladiator feels like it's in a really awkward spot.

[@NiiRubra]

@@DIEGhostfish I've always liked to use Gladiators in what I call "raid fleets" (not to be confused with uh... raid fleets), which are fleets entirely composed of ships capable of single unit retreat. I'd send these fleets in to attack an important target en-masse and individually retreat them when they started losing shields, my goal was never to take over a planet in a single attack, but to destroy pricey assets on the enemy side without losing more than a couple raid units at most (which is a win for me, resource-wise), this way I could slowly chip away at the enemy's overall strength with guerrilla tactics in space. Recently the Gladiator lost its bombers, so that decreased its power in my raid fleet strategy, but the proton torpedoes are still nice, I used to employ a lot of Gladiators because of their torpedoes and bombers, now I guess they fill more of a defensive role, providing fighters and laser cannons for screening, and light turbos to bully frigates on the way.

[@DIEGhostfish]

@@NiiRubra I feel bad that a Gladiator that's got such a prominent hangar doesn't use it.

[@NiiRubra]

@@DIEGhostfish That is true, feels kinda weird for the Gladiators to have just fighters. I guess personally I'd like to see them have 1/0 of a multirole fighter-bomber, you know, the ones that don't do the full bombing runs, just to keep that flavor of the Gladiator being kinda like a carrier.

[@DIEGhostfish]

I noticed a small semi-bug in the Fleet Commandos Maldrood builds from the field bases. The guy with the Bossk gun which i presume is meant to represent the Concussion Rifle that's mentioned in the unit card is when hovered over just armed with a second Rail Detonator.

[@Connor-fz9ru]

Are the plans to make faction guides for all of the factions in TR still ongoing or are they largely on the backburner?

[@angelusumbrae]

I second this. I found the pdf file that is the game manual for Thrawn's Revenge. While it's excellently made and is, to me at least, as good if not better than the ones that came with EaW and FoC, it has not being updated since version 2.2 or 2.3. So the need for quality guides is even higher now.

[@birdosrus]

the guide is out of date in a sense the abilties are off but one way i found to play them is to take mandalore immediatly build it up and move the capital to there for 10 influence. Use the keldable ships as damage sponges with battle dragons behind them for damage and the coronal ship tenders inbetween.

[@kR-qj7rw]

You dont need that like 3 turtles ans mostly battle dragons just beat the sgit out of anything imperial

[@Robfenix]

You had me at turtling

[@NalopeonTheGreat]

Is that a praetor carrier at 5:50?

[@RevanX77]

But how does Hapes deal with the ultimate hardcounter, the tanking FPS?

[@mattparker9726]

@Corey Loses so far I've used the boarding shuttles successfully twice, and an additional third time I was successful, but the ship didn't appear after capturing it, Also they're SUPER expensive, so I am cautious when I use them.

[@personthing88]

Was it the last enemy ship? If so there is a bug that you don't get the ship is it is the last ship

[@mattparker9726]

@@personthing88 no it was the first ship actually, a star destroyer, an imp 2, I was gutted that I didn't get it.

[@personthing88]

@@mattparker9726 Hmm only other thing I can think of is the enemy may have destroyed it without you noticing

[@mattparker9726]

@@personthing88 no, it did the whole hyperspace to the edge of the map deal, just like the first ship I captured, the Tector. IDK, I looked for it in the Cluster, but no dice?

[@personthing88]

@@mattparker9726 Did you retreat?

[@iamsigg]

When will the other guides come out?

[@NJbldragon]

'Don't use your airspeeders against aa turrets.' Me: sends 5 squads of speeders to overwhelm and murder aa guns

[@jordanquimby854]

Why didn't you restore the planet flipping for zero command and Kessel when isard takes command?

[@GeneralTantor]

Very cool faction man!

[@StarWarsExpert_]

I really like this video, I can see that you have put a lot of effort in this and the new update in thrawns revenge is wonderfull as well! The pictures of the ship with the description and fleets shown in game were high quality. May I ask what editing software you use for your videos, correy? Would appreciate an answer. I think gameplay wise and content wise, Thrawns Revenge is superior to Remake right now.

[@baconboy12]

What is the ship at 4:32 the imperial one

[@LiliaArmoury]

the hapans ship design feels like a startrek fan was asked to design stuff for star wars

[@TenebrariusRhade]

Hey CoreyLoses, just a quick question in regarding the ship designs for all of the factions, has the team done any schematic designs for them and if so would you be willing to release them?

[@resurrectedstarships]

I always thought it sounded better to call them the Hapes (soft a) rather than 'Haypes'.

[@henriblack8673]

I always read it more as Hah-Pez myself, so this was a bit weird to my ears too lol.

[@b2superbattledroid365]

Hell yea!!!

[@korhol2065]

It’s a good thing that the enemy AI doesn’t know how to focus fire Cause that turns the battle dragon into 1 second of fame in an instant

[@ProbablyNotAChicken]

Hapans are so cool. They're like glass: Surprisingly strong until (by blowing up their tenders) they're very suddenly very weak.

[@laverniustucker8198]

How did you get that weird looking Star Destroyer in your Zjing playthrough? And do we acquire the ship at 4:41?

[@simsim4910]

I think thats the tagge destroyer, but I'm not sure The wierd looking ship was probably the Soranen and is basicly EFX as a usual battle cruiser

[@joshuacollins5523]

This is the communications battlecruiser, but I'm not sure how to get it outside of instant action

[@kR-qj7rw]

if you people paid attention you can see the instant action icon taht spawns ships from the hapes, its just there to demostrate how they work on coreys video much easier than looking around the GC map for a battlecruiser to kill and showcase what the ships can do

[@lukatomas9465]

The ship at 4:41 is the Communications Battlecruiser and can only be played as the Empire in the deep core campaign if you start in era 3.

[@laverniustucker8198]

@@lukatomas9465 thanks

[@_OliverGrey]

Would it be possible for the 2 defense stations in skirmish to include the unique defenses for the hapes and empire of the hand?

[@banaminatigaming]

how do you tell who you are at war with? am i at war with everyone>

[@kingshoshon8011]

Could someone explain to me how the starbases work? It seems to me that you need to buy each level of starbase in turn, then rebuy them to deploy them? This seems absurdly expensive for a small faction to pay for.

[@CoreyLoses]

No, it works the same as every other faction for production. You don't deploy anything. You may be confusing the secondary defense station as a deploy option? The difference with the Hapan is they can have their secondary be the same level as their primary, while other factions can only do secondaries as one level lower.

[@kingshoshon8011]

@@CoreyLoses Thank you. The UI was confusing me a bit and I couldn't find an explanation in the notes

[@laverniustucker8198]

How do we get the Sorannan destroyer?

[@stevenbazinet3404]

Is the Hapan Consortium a playable faction? If so, then do they have dedicated Ground Forces?

[@CoreyLoses]

Yes and yes

[@kR-qj7rw]

Yeah and they are really fun

[@apolloknight9521]

How do you rotate the camera without going into cinematic mode?

[@robertharris6092]

Hold left and right mouse button at the same time.

[@bruhbruh63]

Do to that you need to go to settings and gameplay settings, there is a setting called "use both mouse buttons to rotate camera" and just check the box. It will work.

[@laverniustucker8198]

At the very beginning, why does that Praetor look different?

[@NiiRubra]

Pentastar Alignment's heaviest carrier

[@lukatomas9465]

Because it's the Praetor Carrier rather than a standard Praetor II.

[@laverniustucker8198]

@@lukatomas9465 how do you get it?

[@lukatomas9465]

@@laverniustucker8198 The Pentastar Alignment can build it on any planet with a level 4 shipyard.

[@alexandersuchodol7888]

Is there any faction which useses droids?

[@NiiRubra]

The Corporate Sector Authority uses some CIS stuff, including B1 droids, Persuader droids and Droideka II's, this combined with the fact that they have a lot of transports means you can transport and then deploy droids like it's the climax of The Phantom Menace as much as you want (don't neglect your meatbags though). To a lesser extent the regular (green) Empire also uses droids, especially when Palpatine is alive again.

[@alexandersuchodol7888]

@@NiiRubra Yes. Thank you. I already started a campagne with the CSA on the biggest Map... First it was ok. I have beaten the red ones a lot of times and also other parties. Conquered 7 or 8 planets and then all of the sudden the rebells got way to strong... They came with fleets more than dobble the size as mine... They just conqured half of the galaxie... And I was standing still because could not get any stronger. It is a hard faction...

[@allanon64king10]

@@alexandersuchodol7888 try building your fleets around a lucrehulk as a centerpiece. especially when dealing with the rebels the high health and loads of antifighter weaponry are great to have front and center of your forces. My basic first fleet usually goes like 1 lucrehulk, 1 Bulwark3, 1-2 Invincible class on the flanks, a fleet tender or two positioned behind the Bulwark and lucrehulk, and then as many carriers as you have population room for at the way back. mass your fighters and use them to strike heavily shielded targets, take out engines to slow them down etc just dont send them into a horde of corvettes. use the bulwark as your brawler and the Invincibles as your flankers/executioners for weakened targets

[@MarcusDarkstar]

I'm looking at this guide mostly cause I find the Hapan ships get chewed up by Imperial vessels. If I fight Its usually with fairly high losses.

[@curtiswong7280]

Hapan ships are very, very powerful if used correctly, and can chew up imperial star destroyers like it's nothing. Just remember to use quick-firing battle dragons in massed, close formations with some anti-starfighter support and fleet tenders at the back.

[@DerDai]

agree, fleet tenders are a must, & since many Hapan ships don't have hardpoints, they are extremely useful Use some Betas & Battle Dragons to annihilate the enemy's shields in seconds & then rip the ships apart with the hull-damage-focussing hapan ships Oh, and put a damage tank in front of the rest of your units so the enemy focuses mainly on that - either a Neutron Cruiser, a captured capital like a Secutor or a battle dragon that gets constantly healed by (at least 2) fleet tenders

[@DIEGhostfish]

11:53 Yeah but it's made of not al;l that durable stone.

[@kR-qj7rw]

Last faction guide was in April and we are on December I knoooow these take time but I think this kind of videos hype the mod a bit and promote it for .3 can we expect another one ?

[@CoreyLoses]

I wrote the New Republic one before my trip, I just haven't had the extra editing time for it yet. That and the Empire should be out in December.

[@dustinmaxwell259]

I just can't play any factions that don't have gigantic Dreadnaughts. Tiny ships don't cut it for me. Maybe I'm overcompensating for something.

[@mynamejeef7166]

The Roster honestly kinda sucks , its a struggle to hold and push planets if the ai has massive capital ship fleets everywhere that kill the hapan ships instantly

[@CoreyLoses]

Small numbers of large ships aren't inherently more powerful than larger numbers of smaller ships. Smaller ships can be micro'd much more effectively. So there's a higher skill floor, but also a much higher skill ceiling.

[@mynamejeef7166]

@@CoreyLoses tell that to the fleet of star destroyers that can usually wipe out my fleets pretty quick if the ai isnt bad for once good example is i keep losing cruisers , corvettes and boarding shuttles because they wont flee out of the combat zone when i tell them i now mainly rely on stolen ships and what few bigger ships the hapans have because the smaller ones just dont really do much

[@kR-qj7rw]

@@mynamejeef7166 i killed an executor with like 14 bathe dragon time and time again smaller ships win unless you are really bad st given orders add most ships being without hardpoints and the tenders and yeah it's a you problem The good part is you don't have to complain and use them if you don't like there's like 6 other factions to play as

[@robertharris6092]

Agreed. Their ships are all glass canons. Very disapointing.

[@WeWillAlwaysHaveVALIS]

Itt people who are unable to play the game at more than a blob and move level.

[@ItaTermite]

Hi Corey, a word regarding Fall of the Republic balance if i may: i think something should be done about the pelta support frigate, specifically about their tending ability. The are way OP and unbearably frustrating to play against when the AI start to spam them, chiefly for one reason: bombers (along other attacks, but that can be considered lore-friendly) seems near incapable to hit them, both with AC missiles (who arbitrarily don't home on ships when not attacking an hardpoint) and bombs. This is a massive problem because if the AI spam more than 15 of them along a pair of praetors (which i think take too little pop cap for their power, but that's just an opinion) and/or other ships they'll costantly heal each other and everything else to night invulnerability, regardless of the quantity of bomber and fighters you send their way. Sure, concentrating (literally) hundreds of fighters and bombers on a single one will eventually kill it off, but there is an horde more of them plus all the other ships that in the meantime are shredding you, that's just ridiculous. Their OPness when massed is even more glaring when compared with their CIS counterpart, which would be quickly vaporized by bombers in comparable conditions because it have hardpoints and so "magically" missiles (along all other attacks, but homing missiles from bombers are something that should hit a frigate-sized ship) willl actually hit it, while be unable to be massed in a battle to costantly heal everything at ridicolous speeds due to its size, extreme slowness and pop cap requirement (but this latter part is secondary in importance, the unberable thing about the peltas is: near impossibility to hit, costant healing, massive spammability). TL;DR either the pelta support frigate should have its tending ability removed (and given to a ship that's actually possible to destroy even when spammed, like some kind of acclamator variant), or it should be able to be homed in by AC bomber missiles just like they home in on an hardpoint or simply a cap on how many tender ships can be active at the same time on the battlefield should be imposed, because as now they're ridicolous. I hope that you'll read this, and my thanks if you do.

[@scorpion5574]

Like you said, bombers and fighters will have a lot of trouble hitting them. You should look for corvette hunters instead, the Heavy Munition Carrier and the Auxilia both can fairly reliably hit Peltas. Concussion missiles should also be able to hit them, but you need to make sure there's little to no point defense. They're very annoying to deal with en masse, but I think that's probably your best bet. Lucrehulks should also be able to hit them fairly reliably too with their varied weapons but I haven't tried that personally.

[@ItaTermite]

@@scorpion5574 i get what you say, but my problem is not facing a few peltas (we're obviously talking of the support model here), who can be handled handily enough with light turbolaser like those on captors/auxilia or massed point-defences like those on the lucrehulks; my problem is the AI slapping 17 of them at the same time along with other large, hard hitting, long-range ships (read: praetors). Such combination is ridicolously unbalanced (beside wholly one-sided, as only the republic dogs can pull it off), and especially infurianting when you don't have the sheer numbers and firepower required to just bruteforce through it. When i am attacking and i have a whole main fleet at my back i can deal with a pelta spam, though it's still very annoying. The problem is that, for mere cash reasons, you often wouldn't have such large fleets at your disposal, finding yourself relying much more heavily on fighters and bombers, who are next to useless in a pelta spam. Even in the case you have some auxilia/captors or even a lucrehulk or two, on the other side there are not only the 17 peltas (that only take 34 pop cap) to deal with: you have a whole accompagning fleet aswell, in my case often well-stocked with praetors and heavy turbolaser-bearing ships that vastly outrange all my shipborn pelta-htting weapons and are being costantly healed by the peltas themselves (almost nullifying their one weakness: massed bombers) while shredding my ships that can't try to counter no pelta when slagged. Especially in defensive actions you'll invariably have to fight much superior fleets, and the use of fighters/bombers is vital for that. Regarding concussion missiles, a captor/auxilia will be dust before firing at a single pelta with two praetor at the forefront, and the ones shot by fighters and bombers (that can survive the praetor's fire for quite long) do hit them but also inflict so little damage that you'll need a very large volume of those for a single pelta to start to feel the hurt, and as soon as she does she will be continuosly and almost instantaneously healed by the others anyway, resulting in concussions being near useless even in the total assence of point-defence in the face of a pelta spam. Making the bomber's Anti Capital missiles home on peltas (like they do on hardpoints) will mitigate this mess, while giving the "tender" skill to another republic vessel with hardpoints (read: possible to destroy even if spammed) or just simply placing a cap on how many vessels with the "tender" skill can be active at the same time will fix it. The current situation is not only unbalanced gameplay-wise, but also lore-wise: i'm pretty sure that piling a dozen of support-class pelta together wouldn't equal to night-total immunity to massed (and i mean massed) bomber attacks in-lore aswell.

[@ryandanielable]

Man I just tried the hapans knowing little about them in universe and they're awesome.. but even on admiral and cruel I become way too OP against the AI haha.. they need a little debuff guys xD

[@eschatondesign7218]

I NEed it

[@menace7dc]

All this time I thought Hapes was pronounced with a hard E like Hades

[@fuzztsimmers3415]

non of the non cannon ships look right though

[@kR-qj7rw]

what

[@-JA-]

😊👏

[@robertharris6092]

Their ships are really disapointing. Ships akin to the tartan are just better than what they have.

[@CoreyLoses]

Better how?

[@robertharris6092]

@@CoreyLoses sorry meant to say tector.

[@CoreyLoses]

I mean, if your criteria for what makes a good ship just comes down to size then sure you're going to have a bad opinion of their ships. That's not really a good way to analyze them.

[@robertharris6092]

@@CoreyLoses but even when you compare pop cap for pop cap and especially build time for build time consortium ships sre just disapointing. Esp in a gane all about mass production and strategy.

[@WeWillAlwaysHaveVALIS]

​@@robertharris6092dude you are moided

[@pjmasks166]

I don't even play video games at all I'm being serious I do not play any video games at all I am doing all this off the top of my head because of my photographic memory choose wisely put God first I have never used it very true reality set I bought my daughter one tried one game on it I said I can never play those other Again and that's the truth

[@stevenschayer6312]

Ok and

[@joshuacollins5523]

And your point is?

[@Maznator]

breh

[@90skidcultist]

@PJ Masks 🤡