If you don't learn this ship's lore I'll fight you

[@trebacca9]

The Empire: "Turbolasers need a cooldown time, better mount eight turrets of octuple cannons." The Hapans: "So, what if we made the *entire battlecruiser* into a rotary cannon?"

[@ophidahlia1464]

It sounds cool but makes no sense, they could just mount them all on the hull for the same fire rate and not have to worry about taking up extra interior space to store the rotating guns and the machinery to rotate them, also that machinery and whatever system they would have to use to continually disconnect & reconnect the power lines, coolant pipes, & control circuitry introduces so many more points of failure.

[@isaacgraff8288]

sounds almost like the thought behind a gatling gun... but with turbo lasers.

[@trebacca9]

@@isaacgraff8288 Yeah, the Hapans use an outdated turbolaser design, so theirs have an even slower cooldown than contemporary Imperial ones. So they just invented the Gatling Cruiser instead.

[@ophidahlia1464]

@@isaacgraff8288 Yeah almost. I'm sure people here know that a rotary cannon spins several barrels around a single receiver so each barrel can cool down while the gun keeps firing, but on the Hapan ship the whole gun needs to cool down and recharge so just putting them on a fun little merry-go-round isn't going to make that happen any faster. However, it does point half your guns away from your target at any time and if the ring gets damaged and stuck then you can't use most of your guns at all. Everyone else in the galaxy just puts their turbolasers on tiered platforms like a sane person and fires them whenever they're ready lol, those Hapan shipwrights must have been smoking the ol' death sticks when they designed this contraption. Maybe they sell tickets or something, like you must be at least as tall as a Jawa to ride the Turbolaser Teacups?

[@NareshSinghOctagon]

They honestly should've just made actual Gattling Turbo Lasers.

[@Theology.101]

It’s absolutely wild how important the Hapans are, especially for coming from such a wacky novel. Honestly, the whole novel is one of the most important

[@DIEGhostfish]

I love everything about it other than the mind control gun amd tiny details like luke steering while in hyperspace.

[@Theology.101]

@@DIEGhostfish honestly luke steering in Hyperspace is a highlight for me, like Vader dogfighting at quarter ftl

[@DIEGhostfish]

@@Theology.101 Ehh I don't like anything that runs into relatavistic speed in realspace or overly changes course from pure straight lines in hyperspace

[@stephensheridan1279]

@@michaelandreipalon359 yeah, I don’t think that’s going to happen now that they just released the Disney Canon version of Han and Leia’s wedding (The Princess and the Scoundrel)…. 😔🙄😠😒😡

[@Theology.101]

@@michaelandreipalon359 i’m not? I love the hapans

[@Halotaku]

The Hapans were such an interesting idea: a multi-system star nation encompassing the equivalent of a sector that was a member of the Galactic Republic, yet held enough autonomy to endure the establishment of the Galactic Empire. But other than it, Corporate Space, and Hutt Space, there weren't many equivalents to it.

[@vtrbswarmachine]

This. So much this.

[@____________838]

Tbh, with their “unique” system of governance, I’m surprised Disney-Lucas hasn’t jumped all over them…

[@vtrbswarmachine]

@@____________838 I don't know how to take this. I'll side with creativity but not used before anything else. Their race is really kinda hard to tell because it's well. Eugenics on a large scale weird.

[@cameronzwicke5761]

They were able to keep their autonomy mostly because of the mists surrounding their sector of space.

[@nickmalachai2227]

What Mandalorian space wishes it was.

[@wun1gee]

This and the Victory-class are both deserving of screen time. They're so well known in the EU that it's stupid not to give some fanservice by just including them..

[@AdmiralBlackstar]

Interesting fact, the Hapan turbolasers were never mentioned as being slower in their introduction, instead implying that they effectively fired 3x faster than their imperial counterparts. The slower rate of fire was added later in an RPG book.

[@RobynLeSueur]

I love this ship, it looks so different from basically anything else in sci-fi. Also, Battle Dragon is the only name for a ship class cooler than Star Destroyer.

[@minicle426]

A flying Carousel. :P

[@Obiwan7100]

Speaking of Hapan Battle Dragons, one of the most underrated starfighters is the Miy'til class starfighter which is a starfighter used by hapans capable of reaching an incredible speed of 160 MGLT.

[@wun1gee]

That's nutty. Especially considering it didn't use SLAM like the missile boat to achieve it's ridiculous sublight speed.

[@pwnorbepwned]

@@wun1gee Sadly, Wookieepedia is where Chancellor got that info from, and it makes the mistake of folding stats from a super advanced Miy’til into the regular stats. The 160 MGLT is specifically from Storm, a modified Miy’til belonging to the Hapan crown prince. It lacks a SLAM system, but effectively achieves the same thing with “an oversized Cygnus turbo generator”. Even outside those short bursts of extra speed though, it’s faster than the average Miy’til, with its modifications.

[@danielseelye6005]

Umm.."MGLT?"

[@wun1gee]

@@danielseelye6005 Micro-Gravity Linear (acceleration) Tolerance. AKA "made up measure of sublight speed from the games and EU"

[@danielseelye6005]

@@wun1gee Ahh, thanks. I was just wondering how that compared to Percentage of the Speed of Light. So it's a measure of acceleration instead of top speed.

[@Arashmickey]

Hey man that's a great musical frog voice. Gotta love the Hapans, all their designs are either cool or interesting or both, different and their own thing but not especially weird, and they get some decent lore and development. Feels like the faction always got treated with a fair amount of care and attention.

[@Gigas0101]

Smoking recreationally implies the existence of competitive smoking. I always found the Battle Dragons to be so close to what I want but just barely missing the mark. You could slap more weapons on that thing for some incredible overlapping fields of fire. It's a similar disappointment to the Resurgent class star destroyer, More surface area for more forward facing firepower. That's just my personal nitpicks, though, the design's still very unique and memorable. Get well soon, Eck!

[@FFCMUSICGROUP]

Competitive smoking is a thing. Just not tobacco

[@Donkringel]

I believe you can find a competitive smoking video in an old Tom and Jerry cartoon where Tom tells a woman "Howdy"

[@Gigas0101]

@@Donkringel Is he still undefeated?

[@GlitchHound]

So stoked for this, the Hapan are my favourite faction within the Star Wars universe by far, and the Battle Dragon is just plain awesome.

[@sinisterisrandom8537]

Honestly, the ship design just gives me a lot of Leonardo Da Vinci but if it was futuristic vibes

[@fithianmt7468]

I knew it reminded me of something and I think you nailed it on the head.

[@rustyshackleford8390]

I’m loving the snarky-ness of your titles and content. It brings a breath of fresh air to your channel. Keep it up and stay snarky!

[@Gamer-gv7xn]

I’ve always found the Hapans super interesting and I’d love to see a hapan jedi. The battle dragon is also one of my favourite ships.

[@padenmuesse8894]

You know there was a half-Hapan, half-Dathomiri Jedi in the new order, right?

[@EckhartsLadder]

Tenal Ka!

[@KamenRiderGumo]

@@EckhartsLadder One of my two favorite characters, the other being Tahiri Veila.

[@oldsoldier4209]

@@EckhartsLadder Bring it! If you have the ability to check, you'll see that I paused during the preroll ad to write this. Come to my town, and fight me. If you win, I'll watch the video. If I win, I get to choose the topic of your next video. I'm over 50, but I'm also a military veteran. I think I can take you, youngster.

[@screenname8267]

Man, I miss Tenel Ka... The Young Jedi Knight books weren't the greatest, but I absolutely loved the, "I may be disarmed, but I am never without a weapon" part. Whenever someone that never read the EU champions Rey for being a female force user, I just tell them about Tenel Ka as a kid and they usually end up agreeing that she would have been "a better person for girls to look up to".

[@rookiedrifter4273]

*sees thumbnail* Ah, I see Eck is going on about the Hapan Battle Dragon again.

[@JaelaOrdo]

I already know about the Batlle Dragon but I still want to fight, name a time and place Eck

[@brycetomecek5065]

One of my favorite ships from legends. In swarms, they are beasts, thus the name, and following a trend of Hapan inspiration from marine and sea life, they have a clamshell appearance. A big reason we see them so much is because eventually Ben Solo marries into the royal family.

[@AJadedLizard]

I was upset when I learned the Hapan Battle Dragon the Nova cruiser were flipped. The Nova *looks* like a dragon, and the Battle Dragon looks a bit like a nova. Really cool ships though.

[@IsaacKuo]

I recall that idea from like the 1990s ... I think in the original Star Wars RPG material. The basic idea was that their main weapons had 1/3 the rate of fire of the others, but they rotated the guns to fire one third of them at a time. However, at the time I was also an avid Star Fleet Battles player, and the basic idea didn't make sense tactically to me. In SFB, there are numerous weapons that take multiple turns to recharge, but you never use them piecemeal. Instead, you take advantage of the multi-turn recharge to get in a big powerful attack with all main weapons at once, and then use the recharging turns to more freely maneuver (such as facing less damaged shields toward the enemy).

[@Tetsujinhanmaa]

Hapes gave me one of my favourite EU characters, Tenel Ka. Long may she reign.

[@rebelappliance771]

Having most of the guns on the battle dragon be on that rotating belt seems like it could be a liability as much as an advantage. That belt takes one shot, and it’s not moving anymore.

[@goroakechi6126]

The thumbnail was the first time I verbally said “what” in response to a notification. Then you said it was a Hapan design, and everything made sense.

[@verzahlerin]

Hapes is a delight, and I enjoy whenever it comes up in media (I'm excited for the day Corey finally does a video about Hapes' FIRST force tradition, the Millinarians). Designing the warships for EAWX was a blast and a highlight of working on the mod. :D The lore around them, and the Battledragon in particular is pretty muddled. The team nearly split over figuring out the stats for the vessel. Alot of it comes from RPG mechanics, which are more open to interpretation. For example, both the RCR and SAGA have the BD with defensive stats equivalent to the ISD2. Given the amount of battle damage described in the books for Hapan vessels, one way to look at them is being extra tanky vessels. On the other hand, they are small vessels, and they break convention of larger=sturdier/more powerful. Another RPG game mechanic muddling is that Hapan turbolaser's are never described as inaccurate (only limited in targets) or take longer to recharge. This started as a mechanic in the WEG RPG to avoid 40+weapons aimed at players or opponents since they didn't have size penalties like larger Imperial ships. These mechanics are never mentioned again, and instead are replaced by the slow firing rate of the RCR (Firing once per 3 turns). SAGA, which simplified the number of weapons that had to be dealt with at the table into 'batteries', completely did away with all of that for a single firing battery attack. Fascinating to work with, but not something you want on every Hapan space unit. Eventually, I rationallized the mechanics as if they had larger-than-standard power generators, and the problem with the weapons were like a high-end graphics card inside a small laptop chasis-there's not really a good way to cool it with the space you have if you're deadset on firing what is essentially over-charged shots for the weapon battery. These are things concept artists have to think about when you're filling in the faction roster and making fanon and [legends] canon work seamlessly next to each other. Not to mention the lore aspect was our Exploration gameplay element to some extent, so conveying culture and doctrine through gameplay took center stage. Which is how they developed their current glass-canon gameplay. Hapes has a "First pass" doctrine and utilized walls of firepower while also being exceptionally defensive turtles-which became their space units' general offensive capabilities and their terrifying quick-to-build battle stations respectfully. It's fun, but not fully supported by the lore (see BD being closer to ISD2 in tankiness). Some of the proposed plans for how to handle the Battledragon in particular, since they are terrifying to face and a great change of gameplay pace, included Battledragons being resources as nobles could be called to arms or influenced-so they would have been like marshalling knights and not something 'built' in the traditional sense. And loosing one would be like that Risk player building up for several turns loosing one of their pieces because replacing them would become a real hurdle. Encouraging the player to horde and be careful with them. But that was complicated and fell by the wayside for other ideas, eventually becoming the longer ship build times (which are still much nicer than the ~120sec/3wk build times I originally proposed). They were a delight of a faction to work on and design for, and some of the most fun in game design I've ever had. :D One of the comments below I saw also described the ship as being similar to fan conceptions of the Nebula. While doing the research, one of the 'theories' that started to form in my mind was that was on the other side of the NR deal for weapons tech: Ion weapons and compactization technology and techniques in other areas. So yes, I'm glad that was picked up on. I kept looking at that going 'this almost seems intentional....' and ended up using the Nebula as a baseline stand in (since we didn't have BD stats finalized for a long time) for where proposed ships would fall in the roster and gameplay composition for the faction. By and large, I found the best way to understand hapan technology lore when you're trying to make sense of it is to think of them as more alien tech than the standard galaxy. I think that where where a lot of folks stumble with their lore. Their tech development are much closer to the Mon Cal and Chiss than most realize (even being able to adapt the technology of Mon Cal shielding to Novas), and not as close to typical galactic conventions. On a final note, I've always wondered what it was in the SWTOR-ish era (because it's just after that general window in time) that causes their isolation. It's fun speculation but, alas, will have to remain such.

[@legoforbeginners6950]

The Courtship of Princess Leia is interesting not only as a novel but as the impact it had on the EU. From the X-Wing novels to any time the hapans show up, it all started there.

[@347Jimmy]

There's a crazy amount of EU staples that all came from that one book, weren't the Nightsisters of Dathomir also introduced there?

[@АлексейМомот-щ7о]

Impact usually happens because of collaboration, Zahn has introduced multiple interesting concepts yet they usually never show up anywhere besides his own books, which is why Tom Veitch planets are all super popular and no one can remember Zahn planets

[@347Jimmy]

@@АлексейМомот-щ7о some of Zahn's coolest ideas were things which aren't easy to use in any random story Take double-blind cloaking devices, super cool in the Thrawn Trilogy, used well one time in TCW, but it's not something every writer wants to work with (and it would wear thin pretty quick if it were common)

[@macwelch8599]

I love the Battle Dragons, and didn’t Darth Krayt have his own version?

[@grandadmiralzaarin4962]

Several notes of correction here, firstly, the task force sent into Hapes led by Grand Admiral Teshik(the passage you quote from Essential Guide to Warfare) was sent there on a deliberate suicide mission with inadequate forces as a means of punishing Teshik for an earlier failure, it was never intended to actually succeed in any way. Secondly, the Star Destroyers captured by the Hapans are not from coordinated efforts by the Empire to take the Cluster, but from Imperials attacking the Consortium after Endor, during the Imperial fragmentation, since we have no records of officially sanctioned Loyalist, Zsinj or Greater Maldrood(the main Imperial factions immediately bordering the Hapans) we can relegate these to isolated attempts by forces lacking any real support from a major faction on their incursions, thus their capture.(This was a common enough occurrence after Endor that we have entire fleets lost this way) Had the Empire wished to crush the Hapans, there's no doubt at all that they could have done so, The Queen Mother openly states as much in Courtship of Princess Leia to Isolder. The Essential Guide for Warfare specifically mentions that it was a mystery to most of the Imperial High Command why the Hapes Consortium was left alone, but it is hinted at that they were left as an example of the dangers of isolationism by the Emperor, but more likely it is because there was also no real need to expend the effort to crush them since they were hostile to all outsiders and didn't trade or interfere with the Empire's business outside their borders, they effectively denied their territory to any opponents of the Empire and so in a very real way, freed up Imperial forces to operate elsewhere.

[@seawind930]

It was left alone mostly because the Hapes cluster was hard to Navigate except for the Hapans who were originally founded by pirates who knew the hyperspace routes in and out. Militarily the Empire outgunned the Hapans, but they would have had to expend more resources than they were worth rooting them out and as you said they were Isolationist and hostile to everyone.

[@grandadmiralzaarin4962]

@@seawind930 it's a similar situation as the Hutts, the Empire absolutely could have conquered them, there just wouldn't have been any real benefit to doing so when leaving them more or less alone denied their enemies access to that territory, lessened the areas the Empire had to actively occupy and had several other benefits with zero real negatives since neither faction was capable of posing any real threat to the Empire's wider goals.

[@EckhartsLadder]

1. I never said otherwise, I simply said they were sent there. 2. I never said otherwise. We don't have official sanctioned actions for most of the warlord, as they exist primarily in sourcebooks. 3. Sure, they could have, but not without diverting significant forces to the Cluster. Same reason the Mon Cal shipyards were not burned.

[@grandadmiralzaarin4962]

@@EckhartsLadder Apologies, when you mentioned they were 'powerful enough to resist Imperial influence' that was my takeaway, much of the dialogue from the Queen Mother in Courtship states that they weren't strong enough to do so militarily, but that difficult decisions were made to preserve the sovereignty so I apologize for that misunderstanding. I'm not sure the Hapans were left alone for the same reasons the Mon Calamari were, the Mon Calamari certainly had enough firepower to hold their space and the Empire had sound(if overcautious) logic for delaying actual assaults on Mon Cal space after their liberation, to avoid giving a potential propaganda victory to the Rebels. The Hapans appear to have been left alone largely for opposite reasons, unlike the Mon Calamari which still had to deal with blockades and gradually assembled Imperial armadas intended to crush them in the aftermath of Endor(if Kaine hadn't decided it was Warlord time) the Imperials were actively building up to crush Mon Calamari space again, but we don't really get any indication that there ever was such a plan or buildup for Hapes, or indeed a blockade, they were just left to sit in their Cluster save for the one time Palpatine tortured Teshik with that suicide mission because unlike the Mon Cals, the Hapans weren't a threat outside their space and weren't allied with their enemies.

[@grandadmiralzaarin4962]

@@Blodhelm as Teshik himself puts it in Essential Guide to Warfare, "Being Emperor is it's own why." Palpatine regularly would come up with cruel and petty ways to humiliate those beneath him that 'failed' or just displeased him, he had one guy killed seven different ways moving his spirit from body to body, he had the seas of a planet removed to punish some aquatic subjects for irritating him, etc. He also saw those under his command as things he could do whatever he wanted with and really didn't care if huge amounts of them died. He orchestrated the Imperial Mutiny to punish the Warlords for their lack of loyalty, resulting in hundreds if not thousands of ships destroying one another in a suicidal orgy of violence. So it's not out of character for Palpatine to 'get creative ' in how he played with his subjects.

[@Kurayamiblack]

5:58 Gotta love the Dreadnaught Class casually photo bombing a video about Battle Dragons 👌

[@KMCA779]

Dreadnaughts are flat out my favourite ship, from design to loadout to history, it's all just exactly what I love. The Battle Dragons are one of those ships that sound amazing but look.... weird. Only having read the books I never had a clear image of them, mostly thinking of them looking like the original BSG Basestars with the rotating guns on the upper-outer hull.

[@jasonritner9662]

The Battle Dragon looked dumb as hell to middle school me, but I loved the Nova class. Then as I've grown up this ship has become an unironic favorite. It is such a neat and well thought out design, especially for that era of Star Wars ship design.

[@JTeam45]

It's a really cool and interesting ship, but from above I cannot unsee it as looking like the Enterprise-D bridge dome macro-sized and with guns haha

[@owenparris7490]

All right, then, square up! Come on, Doge Boi, let's throw hands, I ain't afraid to go back to the spice mines!

[@jedh116]

“I took up smoking recreationaly” 😂😂😂😂

[@Mr_dripbott]

These titles are great gives me a chuckle every time i check your channel

[@horrorfan1455]

I love the battle dragon definitely one of my favorites

[@RJALEXANDER777]

These things are OP in Thrawn's Revenge. Very fragile as they've not got any hardpoints, but with a little micro they can absolutely shred enemy ships that should on paper be far stronger. These battle dragons are what people wish the Nebulae class star destroyers were.

[@charlottegerken4477]

Love this, Courtship was one of my favorite novels growing up, Star Wars or not, and this ship always sounded so cool and the design is really different than anything else in SW. Get well soon Eck 🙏

[@teatanks6481]

The Hapes Consortium: Interesting lore, extremely unfun to fight in Thrawn's Revenge

[@elbrando5557]

I freaking LOVE the battle dragon, and the Hapans as a whole

[@crsrdash-840b5]

Good video. Love seeing 'doggy time' at the end. Thanks again.

[@georgeowain]

Years ago when I was an AFOL (Adult Fan Of Lego), and making my own Mocs. I learnt about the Haps Contortion Battle Dragons and was intrigued to make Lego models that were in scale to that large official release of the Star Destroyer. Plus there seemed to be absolutely no other fan made ones of this particular ship. Used LDD to design both versions with the differing saucer shape in the fan media. However, when it came to building the one with the more round saucer configuration, LDD did not accommodate for weight distribution as the upper saucer kept tilting forward. And I had to completely redesign the mid structure to accommodate the upper saucer.

[@doughilton6375]

I love the creative titles of these videos.

[@johnwhatever2441]

I've had the Essential vehicle guide for years now and still go back and read it.

[@Quintus_Fontane]

I struggle to think of another faction in Star Wars that punches above its weight as hard as the Hapens do. Cheers Eck! Get some hot water with lemon down you, soothe your poor throat.

[@digitalnative5678]

Never have I been more compelled to watch a video more by its title than this one.

[@Dr.Kratos.]

I love the bird of novas design so much

[@NXPhoenix3]

The thing that really makes me dig the depiction of the Hapans is not just that their technology lags in certain areas but outpaced the rest of the galaxy in others (e.g. their triple ion cannons were point defense death machines that made a Lancer's quad-lasers jealous) or in some cases even go in different directions entirely. The writers then took that technological divergence and had the Hapans design their ships to compensate for the weaknesses of their technology (if we have three times as many guns the one-third fire rate doesn't matter if we can point them at the target in rapid succession) and in a way that could be argued to reflect their culture. When you're a highly stratified monarchy with soldiers arrayed to support the rulers you'd likely reflexively think leadership is extremely top down and targeting a single command point for swift elimination would cripple an enemy more that dealing with an array of weaker supports all around you.

[@syrphilipgulmatico5352]

Omg ive been interested with these ships thanks for making this vid 🙏

[@shadowdump2902]

Not going to lie, when I saw the title I was only mildly curious. Then the thumbnail loaded and I immediately exclaimed "Oh shit, it's those things!" And I immediately proceeded to watch. And I'm delighted to have learned more, I don't remember the old book I had explaining that it could create mass shadows, imagine having that capability in every ship of one of your most used classes... Great stuff. I would love to see a scene or some game where the rotating weaponry was actually featured, that deserves proper presentation.

[@themoi1243]

Remind me that time in Empire at War AOTR in the game mode where you add to expand yourserlf. I was holding Kessel and the Hapes came with 93 cruisers and 25 battledragons against a tier 3 space stations, 2 galons and a small defense fleet. The sheer rate of fire of those battledragons where really something to behold and not to underestimate. I have push them back after losing 60 cruisers and 17 battledragons and half of my defenses. A core gaming memory

[@darthaeontheeternal1727]

AMAZING OPENING JOKE you legit gave me a laugh I NEEDED and I AGREE 100% IF YOUN DON'T KNOW OR LEARN ABOUT THIS SHIP, WE ARE GOING TO HAVE A PROBLEM, KEEP UP THE GREAT WORK & Remember, Ther Force Will Be With YOU, Always.

[@LastNameTom]

Watched and thumbs up for the title alone!

[@Nogman99]

Had to pause the video after 10 seconds because I was laughing too hard! Oh, and the rest of the video was good too. Keep up the good work, Ecks!

[@trevorgray4697]

So if the outside edge rotates does that mean if you replaced the guns with big metal teeth you'd have a giant chainsaw ship?

[@Iknowtoomuchable]

Yes

[@johnturner7952]

Video idea: The Separatist Droid Army vs Skynet with its force of terminators. Who would win & why

[@huntclanhunt9697]

It looks kinda silly, but I like that it stands out at least. I thought it wad a Star Trek ship from the thumbnail.

[@snipingflute4346]

I’ve never learned the lore. However, my first sighting and encounter of them were in some mod of Star Wars: Empire At War. After watching my roommate playing that game for a year, I decided to buy it as well, and went straight to the mod as my first playing experience. As the Greater Maldrood, I got my fleet’s ass handed to me against a huge swarm of those ships.

[@joescott778]

The Hapes Consortium(spelling?) was great. The Courtship of Princess Leia was one of my favorite books. Playing to win a planet in a Sabacc game is so cool. It sets the ground work for so much of the "Legends" universe.

[@ArcKobraYT]

Amazing video love it

[@andersonic]

Speak of the dragon and it appears! Also the reason for the shafts connecting the upper and lower hull is that the rotating gun placements could spin out excess water from salad greens.

[@LibraMiku271]

I've read on that ship during the Battle of Dathomir against Warlord Zsinj and later see on a mod too. They look very interesting including their name

[@vic5015]

Definitely one of the more interesting non-aligned (non-Empire and non-Alliance/New Republic) ships.

[@stratometal]

This ship has always reminded me of a Leonardo Da Vinci designed weapon system. You know that weird tank with canons all around it. I think it was the same concept, shoot one, turn the tank, shoot the next one and so on.

[@kirknichols178]

Feisty Justin is something I kind of like! Makes you that much more of an awesome KZbinr that feels more relatable.

[@vexter3225]

I love the design of the hapen ships it reminds me of ancient space ship

[@vexter3225]

It reminds me also of a cool hot air balloon concept the La France (airship)

[@D2RCR]

The Battle Dragon is one of my favorite designs in sci-fi. It’s a very clever way to overcome its disadvantages, albeit a vulnerable one (disable the rotation system and that’s it).

[@MarcusDarkstar]

Fight me. I already know this ships lore. I CANT LEARN IT AGAIN!

[@danielkorladis7869]

I like it. It's visually distinct from imperial or mon cal or correllian stuff, but it still fits with the setting. It's different enough to be memorable but still looks like it belongs in Star Wars

[@BensBrickDesigns]

Done LEGO design streams of this, the Miy'til fighter and the Nova-class. All really fun designs.

[@hopefulmonster]

I remember thinking they were a derpy design with an obvious weak point (the neck of the hourglass), but loved the uniqueness of the design and how they used design to overcome technical limitations.

[@sumukhvmrsat6347]

I always felt and feel and say the Hapan Nova Battle cruiser is like in the opposite direction , like it's face back you know , it should be like a whale , but it's like a , double hook anchor opening , and it's hangars are also better facing back than Front into the battle and the Shield fans , you know if it was facing The V shape front and hangers back , it gives it an elegant Whale like look majestic large , and suiting to the Hapan Royal Family #askeck #eck

[@andrewbryant4259]

I'll learn the lore and then fight you on Twitter. our battle will be legendary

[@GlidingZephyr]

I used to have nearly every "expanded universe" novel first published in the 1990's. That one was actually one of my favourites, because it formally introduced a previous antagonist that Han Solo was actually terrified of. And for good reason: The Hapan Consortium had some of the best starship engineers in the galaxy at the time (along with the Mon Calamari). And their warship doctrine was brilliant. Disabling larger, more heavily armoured ships of the line by peppering them with ion cannon bolts, then unleashing surgical volleys of proton torpedoes proved that they fought smarter. Not harder.

[@NeosAvias]

These things aesthetically remind me of the race track on Ord Ibanna from Star Wars Ep1 Racer. Like I legit had to go back and check because I was certain one of these was raced around but.. no, they just both featured a lot of those open spaces with semi-vertical bracing and suspension parts. (Never read of the EU books so I wasn't familiar with these otherwise.) Very interesting and unique design!

[@seanbigay1042]

This is such a funky design! It looks like -- or at least tries to be -- some kind of cross between a Cylon Basestar (from Battlestar Galactica TOS) and a Zeppelin, by someone desperately trying NOT to evoke the Starship Enterprise ...

[@DashsChannel]

It is a giant ice cream sandwich with turbolasers

[@seanbigay1042]

@@DashsChannel Or maybe a flying carousel without the wooden horsies?

[@trebacca9]

The second I saw the thumbnail, I was like "That's a Battle Dragon! Ohh, this is gonna be GOOD!!"

[@aurorauplinks]

Always loved the courtship of princess leia , great stories in it, I would love if Lucas himself financed wrote produced an adaption of it, maybe a duology to keep it all plus extras

[@bluesquadron8667]

Really got me there with that intro joke and simpsons clip

[@sumukhvmrsat6347]

Only if the Hapan Battle Dragon as Powerful as a Star destroyer and Nova Battle Cruiser as a Battle cruiser then things would have been intresting

[@Vidiocity92]

Hey you finally did a video on the Cylon Basestar :D

[@cameronzwicke5761]

I loved the Hapan Battledragons in legends. The Hapans were so underutilized in EU, isolationist space pirates turned government. So cool.

[@jozzieokes3422]

Once I saw the title. I was like I will 😅

[@Firefocus-fz2we]

Hope you get better soon 🙏

[@alexwest6469]

Lore: it's OP as fuck

[@orendungan3455]

I really cooled on SW by the time the Vong books came out. KJ Anderson's hamfisted takeover did a lot to sour me on the franchise and my interest didn't recover until Rogue One, to be honest. 'Courtship' is one of the few non-Zahn books that I still hold in very high regard. That was a great story with all the right elements: faithful adaptations of existing characters, interesting new characters, humor, danger, and a fantastic balance of Force and non-Force character arcs. You couldn't ask for a better introduction to the Hapans and the specifics of the Battle Dragons was well reasoned and expanded the lore in very geek-appropriate ways. Wolverton did a great job there.

[@miserychickadee]

I still can't believe you liked _Courtship._ "Kiss my wookiee" is the jump the shark moment for the Expanded Universe. Also, is it really Hapes as in "Apes?" I thought it was Hay-Peez, like the Pleiades (hapans like pleiadians, etc), but I don't watch Star Wars TV shows so for all I know it was written into Rebels or Bad Batch something. And, like, Hapes wouldn't really reduce to Hapan, unless it was a plural of "Hape," which I'm pretty sure isn't a thing or a famous name or anything.

[@mrpancake8889]

That intro is golden

[@jasonmyneni8605]

Why are you threatening me!

[@rvawildcardwolf2843]

the Courtship of Princess Leia is one of my favorite star-wars Novels. But damn it's romance novel elements are cheesier than gas-station nachos. Still Hapans are one of my favorite factions from the EU.

[@ImTheReverse]

I’d be honored to fight you!

[@nicholasfarrell5981]

6:51 - "a Hapan woman" is certainly an interesting way to refer to the Queen, I'll give you that.

[@BattleUnit3]

If they had captured ISDs, its likely they reversed engineered significant part of their technology so, Hapans could have shortened the tech gap significantly

[@Galzar91]

I've never actually read the now legends books, save for a very few when I was younger. At least not until my dude ecks told me I had to or he would be mad at me, however since I don't have the time to read anymore I got all the audiobook versions I could find ans have been enjoying them a lot. Don't think I even touched the new cannon books save for the Thrawns ones. What I'm trying to say is thank you eck for making me go through the legends books.

[@oftengruntled5432]

I can see the value of a rotating gun belt to compensate for cooldown and reload (or phaser equivalent) time, but I don't see the value in putting all the guns on the outside, if the front end is going to be the position most guns fire from. This would give enemy ships a clear ability to disable many guns on said gun belts and probably the gun belts themselves if they can draw alongside the Battle Dragon. It might be more useful to cover most of the gun belt, but put openings for guns at certain strategic points, like the bow, aft, port, and starboard axes. This would give the guns a safer location to cooldown and probably more room for more sophisticated cooldown technology, as well as repairs, if possible.

[@soldovah9649]

I'd love to see a Hapan Battle Dragon upgraded with Mon Cala shields and targeting computers. It would take an all-ready powerful ship and make it nigh unstoppable.

[@spike10002]

i won’t learn the lore, i refuse

[@spike10002]

as emperor palpatine once said… “no”

[@braumburr3343]

The hapan turbo lasers were improved during the lost tribe of the sith and abeloth crisis after the second galactic Civil War. Also Jason's baby mama was a felow jedi and later queen mother of the hapan consortium

[@adorimirable]

Calm down you dont need to fight me, but if you do i hope youll fight ship to ship

[@miqvPL]

rotating guns would make more sense if there were several barrels on each turret spinning, rotating canons on a disc would make it an easy target for enemy ships- disable the moving rail (?) or mechanism and suddenly enemy ship is without it's weapons, especially if targeting system for the entire ship allows to only aim at one enemy

[@roguerifter9724]

One thing I never understood, If the Hapans could capture Star Destroyers why didn't they reverse engineer the faster firing Imperial weapons from the ships they captured?

[@isaac3702]

probably didn't have the facilities to fully reverse-engineer the technology. These are a people who have been extremely isolationist, to the point where the Empire and Rebellion pretty much left them alone.

[@roguerifter9724]

Nothing indicates their engineers are incompetent enough to not be able to reverse engineer the tech. It might take a little time but it wouldn't be that hard once they capture a few examples. Developing it on their own would be hard but reverse engineering it shouldn't be. Its not like its some rare tech only a few places know how to build. Basically every major shipyard in known space outside Hapes has the knowledge plus Hapes has many, many samples to study even if none of the ships they captured included specs or enough data to get them started in the right direction beginning from their own weapons

[@KMCA779]

part of it would also be Hapan pride. They're proudly isolationist. Although I could see them possibly making an exception for working with Kuat since both societies are dominated by a female leadership castes and have pride in their abilities as shipwrights... Might be KDY in that case refusing to work with the savages that wrecked their ISD's.

[@bottled_leviathan9376]

That title is beautiful

[@Thud-pq8rl]

Dude, I had forgotten all about this ship. I've always wanted to see the rotation of the blasters.

[@rrrhh6168]

They do rotate in the AotR2 mod for EaW, quite a missed oportunity to not show them in this video

[@JosiahSum1Wallis]

I would love to hear about the new chiss ships and weapons! I loved how different they were!