Everything You Need To Know About Throttle eBikes | EMBN Show 338

[@embn]

What is the most you'd spend on an eBike? Let us know in the comments below!

[@nathanharrison8997]

3 to 4 grand any more an may aswell buy a motorbike or a car

[@nicod974]

3k top

[@rgd1977]

Probably around £7000.

[@Peter57808]

purchased 3 years ago an S-Works Turbo Levo at AU$15,000. still riding it now and it's still fantastic!

[@FlyingFun.]

Ive spent £3200 and that was a real push, would not spend any more than that. I can get a decent motorbike for that sort of money and potentially go a LOT faster than 15.5mph lol.

[@plokmko0]

That Batman thing is a MOTORCYCLE with pedal assist/backup !!! Class 3 should be, with PA, 50kph and up to 25 kg ... Q.E.D. The 3 national speed limits in England are: the 30mph speed limit on roads with street lighting (sometimes referred to as restricted roads)

[@grazz7865]

Yeah, the laws vary state by state, but this would technically need to be registered as a class A motorcycle (NYS) and of course, you would need a valid motorcycle license to go along with that.

[@KevIsOffGrid]

exactly - call it a motorbike, not an "above class 3 ebike"

[@TorqueRoller]

Class 3 in the USA is Pedal Assist only, up to 28 MPH. Class 2 is the only "class specific" bike that can have a throttle, and limited to 20 MPH.

[@frizzen]

Yes. Many companies are selling "multi-mode" bikes with a throttle that goes to 20mph and pedal assist to 28mph. These are not legal in California. Ebikes in California must have a sticker that declares what class it is. It can be 1, 2, or 3. I cannot be class 2 and 3. I don't know about other states.

[@aaronbarnett5241]

Been interested in a bike like that but nobody makes a truly legit class 2 eMTB. Looking for a eMTB like a Levo but with a throttle

[@WeMakeLaw]

LMX bikes?

[@shellbournian]

I honestly can't understand why anyone wouldn't buy a Bafang mid drive and put it on an old bike for this class of bikes.

[@Magoo71]

I have a Luna Cycle Apollo that did come with a Left Thumb operated throttle. But I have a full width Right Hand Throttle that I cut down to "Grip-Shift" length and incorporated it into my Right Hand Grip. If you did not know about it it you might not even see it on my Bars...but with my 160Nm BaFang, I can be going over 35 MPH before I hit 100 Yards...!! Shoosh ....don't tell anybody...

[@shellbournian]

@@Magoo71 yeah my "class 2" tops out in the low 40s as well lol

[@bvan1970]

I really like your suggestions around speed and use locations. As a motorcyclist, I thought my ebike needed to go at least 28 mph. I ended up with a class one with pedal assist top speed 20 mph, and I’m more than convinced that’s plenty fast enough. Especially on bike paths where there are families and kids riding at much slower speeds. If it’s got a throttle and it goes 28 or faster, I think some education and some licensing might be in order if you plan to ride in public streets.

[@BaldBloke]

Wish they'd bump class 1 upto 20mph in the U.K seeing all the villages have been screwed up/knocked down from 30 to 20, saves further irritating people that drive for a living imho.

[@chinguyen8778]

Very brave for embn to do a segment on the class of e-bikes out there including bikes with higher than the ridiculous 15mph 25 or so Kph and throttle aswell. Interesting embn and well done. Embrace the change.

[@Truth_Spoken]

I enjoy my class 1 Niner RIP e9 MTB for the trails, as well as my Class 3 fat tire bike for exploring. 🇺🇸

[@clintwedel5704]

In the US and wish I could add a throttle to my shimano powered Focus eMTB or my bosch powered Giant Explorer+, more than i wish either would go faster!

[@arthurellis1721]

My boy O-dog 🔥

[@gardenogauge]

Christian Bale - straight over the lads head 😅

[@gcn]

We need more O Dog on the channel!

[@jimbo6993]

I’ve seen full on electric motorcycles, like Surons, poaching trails where NO bikes are allowed, in Colorado. Apparently, some people think they can get away with it because these electric motorcycles are so fast and quiet. This was a couple of years ago when I hiked the CT.

[@grazz7865]

There are a few KZbin videos where the park police stop a bunch of people on ebikes riding on the trails.

[@plokmko0]

We need an Double O 2 ... 002 Edition ... Owen and Ollie Gen E show !!!

[@droneracer]

I challenge EMBN to put one of their class 1e bikes on a dyno to measure the actual power produced. As I think they breaking the law with bikes delivering more power than legally allowed.

[@antdod1]

Nice to see Caragh lake featured again I rode around it this afternoon lol

[@WeMakeLaw]

That "Wayne Enterprises" motorbike is marketed as a downhill bike??? Such a heavy hub motor is WAAAAAY too much weight in the back to go offroad. Not even safe on asphalt. Magura MT7 brakes for a 10kW motorbike??? Tiny Battery too. The price is pure INSANITY. Are rich people really this clueless? Huh... interesting. Also HILARIOUS!

[@cheut]

27.5 is actually 27 and 29 is actually 28.5 if you go by the same standard as 26/24/20/16/12"

[@sarcritchlow]

In 6 years ive had zero conflict issues with the 20mph cut out speed in n america and i believe 28mph would be fine for commuting. Noticoling on your display youre only barely getting to 20mph on those dbl track trails when youre in class 3 and it looks like you could slow down for any oncoming traffic if there were some. Once again zero issues with our 20mph top assist speed in class 1 on trail on the east and west coast of canada on all types of trail with long travel suspension. The true test is smooth flowy alpine out and back busy trails and no problem there either. The speed is easily controlable at that level of cut off and people adjust for blind spots because up or down you natural avoid crashing. Up or dowm assisted or not people don't fly blindly around corners

[@simony2801]

Don’t be daft

[@grazz7865]

As long as you’re riding responsibly, you shouldn’t have a problem

[@brianbathgate4944]

Does look a lot of fun… think I’ll stick to my Levo tho :-) So… if I had a throttle bike, got my motorbike licence and had insurance, can I ride that through the woods of Scotland?

[@andyarchitect]

We really need to start calling high power bikes "e-motorbikes" because that really is what they are along with the requirements for helmets and insurance etc. It confuses the general public when we use the term "ebike" interchangeably for both, and gives ebikes a bad name when you hear negative news stories about high power bikes being used antisocialy or in crimes which seems to be reported increasingly often these days. We should be clearer how we refer to them so as to maintain trail access and avoid conflicts with other trail users.

[@plokmko0]

A 50kph/31mph Class 3 E-Bike is safer and more practical for commuting on the street here in NJ as the 1940s 25mph local speed limit is still default speed that everyone exceeds it at around t30mph normally. The 25mph is a good default as it keeps people thinking of not doing 40 mph and going around 30mph that the police will tolerant ... 35 mph will get you a ticket in most small towns

[@jasonhall9786]

29k! For a hub motor? It’d better have cash stuffed in the frame. Get a proper eMoto and get on a proper legal Moto track/trail. It’s a whole new world of 2 wheel fun.

[@KRISTAPSSVEISBERGS]

Hi. Could you give same overview on e-mopeds and e-motorcycle in EU regulation context?

[@neilbowness6074]

28 mph throttle pedal bikes would open up the e-bike market to so many more people commuting ect especially with the new developments like the Dji 105 nm motors, e-bikes arnt just mountain bikes……

[@grounddodger3212]

saw that t-rex mtb clip on his video the other week; nuts. Seen a bunch of wild crashes on his channel, another where they did a drop (they skipped it that day they filmed this video). The trails there were pretty nutso though.

[@goingoutotheparty1]

You can build your own Ebike if you want

[@andym3920]

The problem we have here is kids can get bikes like this around where i live i have seen this lads pulling wheelies up the hi street just on the push of a button no crash helmet. When i asked them how fast it would go i was told 40mph that's crazy faster than my FS1e that i had when i first started riding motor bikes. To me no different to e scooters unrestricted with young kids on yet again no protection most of the time 2 up. I have an ebike my self and love it but were is the law on this.

[@jakebrakebill]

based on past practice, I sure the Government will make 100 confusing new laws pertaining the E-bikes

[@grazz7865]

As long as you ride responsibly, you shouldn’t have a problem

[@jakebrakebill]

@@grazz7865 don't own an e-bike, so yes not a problem for me

[@curtrichardson8002]

The real problem with surron/talaria bikes is the young teenager's mind,they don't consider what they do as wrong or offensive. Young boys/men aren't the best decision makers

[@dodegkr]

New firmware and a throttle for a Levo would be nice or a drop in bafang

[@51im]

Bit of a click bait thumbnail for a Velotric advert.

[@orbman1962]

No throttle no adjustments to speed limits above 15.5 is ilegal in the UK anybody being hit by a heavy 40lb e bike and rider would be like being hit by a motorcycle? that's why we need the laws in the UK to remain as they are, the usa have no control over this situation some bikers carried guns just in case of road rage at the speed they go at some point this might be a reality

[@surfingmoose]

They are motorcycles and should be regulated as one.

[@getlostrobyn5498]

The Government seems to think Throttle only e scooters are OK going by how many park and scoot stations they approve so why aren't throttle e bikes. Imagine being able to have throttle control within existing e bike legislation. That way getting up a hill like Skiddaw, or even to the top of a trail centre like Whinlatter for example. Would be achievable for less able bodied people. It seems a bit unfair to me.

[@gamertherapy8221]

Welcome Ollie to the show. Hope to see more young adults presenting and joining the community.

[@fynnchiboy1060]

I would love some videos about high powerd e bikes and sur rons. Going fast Downhill is fun so why not make the uphill fun. A sur ron drives more like an mtb than an motorcycle

[@yyams]

If it's the same Kneissl, they make skis.... Good ones too.

[@yyams]

Looking at the website - it's not that Kneissl.

[@kiltymacbagpipe]

Throttle = moped.

[@waynesilva3129]

So many eBikes look like they are back yard built bikes.

[@user-jg1bo1eb7z]

$29,000! Nope! Never!

[@FlyingFun.]

That thing is a death trap, 80mph needs proper motorcycle setup all round, ie bigger stronger everything... I converted an old bike with a cheap kit years ago and it feels fine up to around 25 30mph, after that it is not really good enough should anything happen that required a proper emergency stop, my frey ex however can stop better than my car and feels pretty planted but still I would not want to go 80mph on it haha.

[@grazz7865]

Agreed. I allegedly upgraded a moped and at 45-50mph on that thing feels unstable. Nice to have the power and speed but it’s just not designed to go that fast.

[@JasonNosajasoNosaj]

Throttle is more fun period. Even downhill it's nice to get more speed while in a downhill attack stance and accelerate in rollers, berms, jumps. You can't do that while pedaling.

[@VadikRamm]

The ability to change classes by yourself defeats the purpose of classification, as it is the government body that imposes those restriction, not the rider. This is the main reason why e-MTB industry is hesitant to adopting BAFANG systems, as they pose a threat to accessibility, at least in the US market. It is not a secret that the majority of mountain bike community in USA is strongly opposed to e-MTBs. It's just so ingrained in their mentality that they fail to see reason. Advocates for responsible e-MTB use have barely established credibility with land managers and introducing systems that are open to self classification can blow all that effort to bits.

[@MrFlapstick]

32kph is where it should be- not sure why aus is following euro nanny state regs

[@stevetremlett7917]

80mph, no training, no brainpower. What could possibly go wrong! It’s bad enough in the UK with unrestricted home built bikes and lethal e-scooters exploding everywhere.

[@grazz7865]

I agree. 80mph is rediculous. That’s a death trap. I have an e-scooter that does 30 but I usually keep it locked at 20 (gear 2). Fast enough standing on a 5” wide board.

[@airingcupboard]

Ok if you're cycling roundabouts a lot, but otherwise, do you really need it?

[@andrew8200m]

That’s not a bike, pedals or not. This needs regulating properly and those causing carnage at the parks and in the streets held accountable for the damage their stupidity causes. I’d even argue that these things should require a license as I’ve sadly only ever seen idiots on Surons and which is a shame as I’m sure there’s far more sensible owners than not but it isn’t the sensible ones you notice.

[@kevinburke1325]

Wow, found the salty joykiller.

[@kevinburke1325]

@SomeguysTrailrides ebikes max out at 20 mph there in the UK. In the US, class 1 ebikes max out at 20 mph. It's not "high powered". It's not even that fast. Motorcycles pertains to bikes going over 30 mph.

[@kevinburke1325]

@SomeguysTrailrides yes, if you derestrict your ebike, you can go that fast.

[@kevinburke1325]

@SomeguysTrailrides yeah, I understand that for sure.

[@grazz7865]

@SomeguysTrailrides the laws pertaining to ebikes varies state to state. In NYS for example, you’re allowed up to 750 watts and 20mph (no license, no registration, no insurance). Ebikes basically follow the moped rules. As long as you’re riding responsibly (staying to the right as much as possible, not impeding traffic, no dashing in and out of lanes-dodging traffic, obeying traffic signals, wearing a helmet), you should be fine.

[@gregoryaraganto9378]

How far stealth bomber ebikes have come, even bruce wayne is making it...

[@mobi1etone]

That Batbike is ridiculous, Spend ALOT less and get a decent 125cc scrambler or trials.

[@richardgracews6]

Less regulation might allow more people to use e bikes and help "Save the planet" I don't use my E bike off my property anymore because it was built before the stupid laws and in a different state with different laws It just doesn't make sense to regulate the industry to death. My car can go over 170 MPH almost 300KPH but yet I drive it at a reasonable speed. Plenty people ride open modded E bikes and don't care so most don't care about the laws. I don't want some police "stealing my bike from me" so I ride it on my own property to chase my dog. Just funny because I'd ride my E bike to town but instead I take the V8 powered car thanks to the stupid laws. Lawyers and politicians have ruined this world

[@diarmaidok]

The regulation and "Sustainable Development" and myth that carbon dioxide is bad for plants, is from the United Nations-they are running they whole world now and their puppets in every country have been saying "6uild 6ack 6etter" for 4 years whilst destroying their economies deliberately. Have a look at the open cask mines worldwide and the "Artisanal Cobalt Mines" in Congo in particular to see that lithium batteries are actually much worse for the environment than petrol.

[@grazz7865]

Not sure how gung-ho the police are where you are but if you’re riding responsibly, you shouldn’t have a problem.

[@prixat]

Can you explain why a throttle is not allowed on a class 1 limited bike (in the UK)?

[@grazz7865]

The throttle reclassifies the bike

[@prixat]

@@grazz7865 I think you missed the question, why can't a class 1 bike have a throttle?

[@brianorourke4530]

These type of bikes are killing the Class 1 being allowed in the State and Federal parks. Not a fan at all.

[@gazza70cr]

Steve Jones: could you please do a channel for Surrons, Talarias and all throttle only E bikes only. Most young people don't really want to peddle at all. I think a channel like that would be a winner with you and your presentation style.

[@Dawes-Engineering]

Speed limit on pedal assist bikes is illogical. Ebikes are faster downhill than the equivalent non ebike. The average speed of an analogue bike is higher. The rules around ebikes make no sense.

[@brucec2787]

Every time I'm on a fire road, alone, shuttling to a far away trail, and my Orbea motor cuts out at 20mph, or I need to start on a steep hill and don't have a throttle, I blame the EU for the stupid rules on the name brand bikes we have to put up with here in the US. I used to have a home built bike with a befang and bought the Orbea when it got stolen. I'm going to build another bike so I don't have to put up with these moronic EU Class 1 bikes.

[@zhen86]

Any throttle is motorcycle.

[@jonwoodvine322]

😂😂😂😂😂 on the flat you think it's to fast but downhill your happy as a pig in dirty stuff Please don't talk bs I love your vids don't ruin them with bs 15 mph is to low but no more than 20 mph 20mph is kinda the sweet spot

[@craig8638]

That’s not a bike. And that’s the issue with these things people call them bikes and kids ride them on the street and through schools, etc. like it’s a bicycle. They’re going to get EMTBs kicked off of trails .

[@AmvC]

If it gets people out of Automobiles, it's fine. If it's just another toy - scrap it and use the resources for something worthwhile (play & fun parks for kids et c.)

[@patrickrgrier3195]

Great, kids find they are not immortal, and can find a new life as quadriplegic's.

[@rgd1977]

I really wish you wouldn’t promote electric motorcycles, they’ve got nothing to do with electric pedal assist mountain bikes and only go to confuse those who would like to ban what we legally have now. If you want to ride a motorcycle then go through the test and get it taxed, MOT’d and insured.

[@grazz7865]

In NYC, I love seeing electric motorcycles going 50mph and the rider is “pedaling “ at 2RPMs 😂😂😂

[@andrewbeattie7279]

This is basically a promotional video for that particular brand/model of UK illegal eMTB for public spaces. Why not at least tape over the branding if it’s not? Let’s be honest most buyers don’t have a mate who owns a farm. Personally I think raising the legal limit to 20mph in the UK will squash the illegal chipping and throttle market, and allow bikes on the road to keep up with traffic when in a 20mph limit reducing overtaking risk.

[@ssjj9584]

Would you expect anything different when people don’t want to pedal anymore and hack their bikes top speed??? Pretty obvious people on e bikes don’t care about classes of E bike. It’s like inventing the car and not expecting people to make it as fast as possible. Don’t expect it NOT to kill Analog for more profit also. Full throttle motorbike industry eventually.

[@deepdiver49]

If you need speed and a throttle buy a E motor bike or motor bike. All the speed you want then.

[@Amatronix999]

Hub motor=bad handling.

[@kevinburke1325]

First 😀

[@Shawn-in-da-Canyon]

If you’re gonna start having E-motorcycle content, I’ll hit that unsubscribe button so fast, it’ll make your head spin.

[@bongobob7079]

🤡

[@cameratool]

Rules based on watts, or top speeds are too easy to circumvent and hard to test. A simple weight limit of 18kg would be more effective. 40kg electric monstrosities with 4" tires don't magically become bicycles just because you have to turn the pedals. Hand throttles are safer than current "run on" foolishness.

[@grazz7865]

In NYS, we have laws that limit wattage, speed and weight.

[@IchimokuCloud]

I have seen this bike before. Its the latest version of those cheapie made in China bikes that are poor build quality and iffy if not dangerous parts. No thank you.

[@noControl556]

The same people who say C02 is going to destroy the planet, do everything they can to make sure you don't have fun on your ebike.

[@dodegkr]

New firmware and a throttle for a Levo would be nice or a drop in bafang