Everything you need to know about using sustainable fuels. Why they're good news for car enthusiasts

Sustainable fuels are quickly coming on stream but what's the difference between E-fuels and sustainable fuels? Plus are they more suited to classic cars than moderns and can you mix sustainable fuel with regular fuel? I invite David Richardson, Coryton's Development Director to the garage to find out the answers.
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[@jonathanrabbitt]

It's very apparent that David Richardson is hyper-conscious of the risk of hornswoggling the public on this issue. Props to him for not greenwashing and overselling the whole issue by taking a very measured and conservative approach. BTW; the issue that Harry had a hard time grokking (at around 17:10) was essentially the idea of obtaining "sustainability credits" for the sustainable portion of input feedstock to certify a proportion of the final product at 100% sustainable. That kind of accounting is rife for abuse and deception. It's like co-mingling personal and business funds when running a company. In theory, it can be accounted for, but the incentive to bullshit one's way to financial advantage can be overwhelming.

[@markfox6741]

A cromulent use of the verb 'grok' there. Every day is a schoolday.

[@wilbobagins]

Exactly. You could take regular BP ultimate, buy some carbon credits for a hydro-build in China, and claim it as a net zero fuel.

[@JohnJohn-zh4ov]

Coprocessing/mass-balancing doesn't quite work like that, it's well governed and offers genuine and significant GHG savings for far less investment than segregated sustainable fuels. However, it could be considered to be a form of CO2 off-setting and that's considered to be a dirty word by NGOs nowadays (or two dirty words maybe?)

[@JohnSmith-vy4lh]

They all have their grubby little fingers in this erroneous climate crisis pie.

[@bigspear4358]

Love this sort of stuff Harry, used your JCB video as a basis for a presentation i gave during a internship interview and i landed it :)

[@MrBenzcdi]

good luck with internship 🫡

[@BoMcGillacutty]

Yeah it's interesting, hydrogen isn't going far IMO, just too expensive and complex. SOME hope for biofuels if done at scale with, say wood fiber like we have a surplus around my parts.

[@stuarttyson786]

I’ll need to watch this several times over before taking a test on the technicalities!!!

[@Carrera-gp9od]

I don’t know one single person who feels guilty driving their cars . Everyone I know is just worried about earning a wage and putting food on the table . If this stuff was the same price as normal fuel I’d have no issue using it , until then I have no interest .

[@otm646]

The types of individual this is marketed to are not in your tax bracket or the two tax brackets above you. This is marketed to the affluent like Harry or politicians and activist groups who spend other people's money.

[@neilturner6749]

@@otm646assuming the first poster earns enough to pay basic tax, how many further tax brackets do you think there are then? 😃 And, as an Investment Advisor, can you introduce them (those who are 3 brackets or more above basic tax rate) to me please…

[@bigduphusaj162]

​@@neilturner6749was gunna say😂 jeez i know self employed lorry drivers and owner/drivers that are on the second highest tax bracket now as there up at 65-70k taxable wages now.

[@alisonsmith3817]

Another example of money folk not having a clue what real folk earn and have left each and every week…

[@Carrera-gp9od]

I’m actually self employed doing 1000buisness miles a week. That’s why an electric vehicle or this fancy fuel is a non starter .

[@chiefsilverback]

Very informative video. That whole bit about why it's 80% and not 100%, the way I understood what David was saying is that if they could technically take 80% of the final product and call it 100% sustainable and effectively hide the fact that 20% came from fossil fuels, or they can label 100% of the product as 80% sustainable and not risk being called out for 'greenwashing' their product. TLDR - 60% of the time it works every time!

[@christianpratt]

Thanks Harry. All good stuff. We - I speak for the channel (!) - appreciate your interest and persistence in bringing this subject to life for us. I for one can see myself having a drum in the garage at some future point!

[@richies6898]

Absolutely brilliant video Harry, Dave certainly demystified the process, even i managed to understand it, thanks to some timely interjections from yourself. Its always so difficult for an expert to get across the technical info in layman's terms. There really does need to be more promotion of our fuel alternatives and perhaps more investment at government level rather blindly go down a single route like we did with diesel and in danger of doing with electric. We really are decades away from having the infrastructure in this country to fully support large-scale uptake of EV's, surely it has to be prudent to keep all options open.

[@pjclark8624]

Loved the video, maybe got 10% of the tech'. Smiled when you asked David about the exhaust pipe emissions, which he cleverly stepped aside, to talk about additives stopping his fuel being worse than current pump fuel. So, "make sure the garage door is wide open when warming up the Bentley Jeeves".

[@garybarnes1820]

It is great that you are giving time for this subject as it will affect all of us. I did get a bit lost at times. I would recommend the Feb 23 edition of Evo which does a good job of explaining synthetic fuels. My plan is to reread Evo and then watch the video again. Hopefully I might get to grips with it! 😅

[@davidthompson932]

Brilliant stuff Harry, thank you for delving into this red hot topic. I look forward to seeing your future videos on the subject

[@robinwhite716]

Mind boggling video, Chemistry was never my strong point at school, thank you Harry for trying to de-mystify this process, sure it will become clearer to us all as time goes by. This video along with the ones from Lord Bamford concerning the Hydrogen “route” gives us a glimpse into the future, keep the videos coming.

[@richardallsop5039]

Hello Again, Harry, I just didn't realize just how 'simply' these 'sustainable fuels' are !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Great video with a very knowledgeable person in David Richardson, I need to watch it again to understand more. Regards, RichardA.

[@simonisherwood1676]

Just watching the guy explain about the fuel and I started laughing because it just looked like May explaining something complicated to Clarkson, you even had the same body language, I was crying 😂.

[@hymek7017]

Brilliant. Thanks for this excellent information. Really helpful.

[@timc924]

Like SJ Gumby said: "My brain hurts": Wow, the chemistry is utterly boggling but fascinating. I, like many do appreciate that there is now tangible hope for keeping our respective well aged and beloved fleets' going well into our dotage. Thank you Harry, your body language during the interview reflected my facial contortions at the bewildering science. I need to lie down now. Regards, from Australia.

[@ingleman.6529]

Early days yet. We'll get there eventually. All I saw was £5 a litre. So not for the faint hearted!

[@immortalclass]

Superb! Fascinating. Many thanks Harry and David.

[@anthonymiller6234]

Great video. Really well explained by David given the complexities involved.

[@boostav]

16:58 Exactly the problem with biofuels, there isn't enough waste product and if you're growing it for that purpose instead you're increasing emissions not decreasing them given farming is a very inefficient process.

[@itekani]

Yes, I wonder what is the real potential for biofuels given the amount of waste that can be collected and used? On the other hand, everything that can be made from waste is a win since it would otherwise just rot and generate methane.

[@boostav]

@@itekani For niche applications like classic cars and motorsport it's great, no doubt about it. Just isn't a solution for the mass market though.

[@KarlkEst]

There definately is enough waste. Currently they seem to use only agricultural waste but we could also use sorted household waste. Problem is how to collect it without it being "contaminated" with other unsuitable waste. Also then there are questions if it is better to produce electricity out of that waste. Balancing act but this kind of development is a good driving force for more sustainable solutions.

[@danapeck5382]

Great analysis, thanks.

[@TIWNA851]

Harry, my head’s hurting after watching this video 😂

[@harrysgarage]

Mine was too! I tried to simplify message when I did the edit but found it impossible. Hence left the details in there, so people could see everything and then any further videos can be more straightforward.. All I can say is I understood it better after the second watch!

[@ryantaggart5642]

Great content! Thank you Harry!

[@electronicpen]

Very interesting video Harry, thanks for organizing and sharing.

[@whosyourmate8292]

An excellent film, thanks to both of you 👌👍

[@AndySnap]

He knows his stuff... And theres much more to fuels than most of us realise. I'm sure Just Stop Oil supporters fully understand everything in this video & how 'simple' it is to make the change...

[@SS-yw7vo]

They aren't interested. They don't want us driving cars full stop

[@johnathandaviddunster38]

@@SS-yw7vo since driving through the oil refineries at europort near Rotterdam 50 years ago I have been anti oil mafia but I love driving on 3 continents, but I'm super scared of polluted ground water.....people should love their kids more than their cars ....

[@overbuiltlimited]

​@@johnathandaviddunster38 "but I live driving on three continents." So you love driving more than your kids, but you're giving everyone else crap for driving? The day that the holier than thou fake environmentalists stop driving all together, stop riding bicycles, stop wearing plastic clothing and rubber soled shoes, stop buying bottled water, stop using computers, etc etc, is the day I will say, at least you're not a hypocrite. You won't stop me from doing any of those things, but at least you will be a person of principle and integrity. You're not that now.

[@bigduphusaj162]

​@@SS-yw7voyip, these people hate their own life so they want to bring misery to others, thats all they do. Also have you seen that people found out they are the same rent-a-crowd that the BBC had for their diabolicaly left wing political shows? so were now finding out these people might be being funded by license payers money. They are doing everything they can to remove it from google search so my bet is that somewhere down the line we find out these people were being paid to cause disruption. Which makes it a crime at that point as its no longer covered by the rights to demonstrate. I find the entire thing fishy as it gets

[@Kylirr]

Just Stop Oil are disinformation agents

[@Tinker2006]

Wow what an insight, David Richardson was very very enlightening would love to know more. Why don't petrol stations sell this fuel? I know it is more expensive, but since we don't use our classics everyday I would be willing to use it, just for the storage and non corrosive aspects. Again thank you - and can I get this in France?

[@11111964s]

That was amazing I'm looking forward to seeing some more on this subject of sustainable fuel

[@phils2180]

Phew, so that's that sorted then!😂 Obviously not the simple answer to fossil free fuels that many were/are hoping for. The disappointing part for me was, "it's not intended to replace fossil fuels for the average family car" but that's exactly what's needed IMO, a sustainable, affordable, readily available fuel to enable Joe Public to keep their conventional vehicles. On a personal note, as a 60+ petrol head, I think all I can hope for is that petrol and diesel availability at an affordable price out lasts me. 🤞

[@SPC22]

The worst part about that, is that this whole CO2 demonisation is total B.S., and will be used to take personal transport from the less well off, along with other freedoms...one of the major aims of the establishment.

[@pistonburner6448]

How can you not know about HVO biodiesel, biomethane, bioethanol and natural gas? Don't you know how those have been widely used for over a decade in many European countries with much lower CO2 emissions than EVs? And for almost no extra cost at all to consumers or society, with users even paying taxes for the fuels (while EVs will cost Europe TRILLIONS and they don't even pay taxes...they *_get_* tax money which then of course has to be paid by someone!). Apparently the propaganda machine has hidden these plain facts well... My family members (also 60+ like you) have driven on HVO biodiesel for years and years, it only costs a few cents more per liter than fossil diesel, and it's available everywhere in their (Nordic) country. It is proven to be 75-90% lower in CO2 than fossil diesel, so it's *_massively_* lower on CO2 than EVs! And Ffe München (an EV-industry funded research institute) has proven recently that even ICE cars driven on fossil natural gas are lower in CO2 than EVs. So that means CNG-equipped or retrofitted cars run on biomethane or natural gas are better than Evs...and in most countries where I've looked up the prices it's *_cheaper_* than gasoline and diesel! There already are many alternatives which don't cost almost anything...as opposed to the TRILLIONS EVs will cost us. Unfortunately I believe not too widely available in the UK, but it wouldn't take much effort to make them happen there too.

[@autobahnroadtrips4662]

It makes no sense for all-day family car use, because the production process far too inefficient and expensive. It is a solution where fossil fuels cannot be replaced by EV batteries (aerospace) and old / special / race cars obviously.

[@pistonburner6448]

@@autobahnroadtrips4662 How can you suggest it's "inefficient" when compared to 'sustainable' electricity production and horribly polluting BEV production, not to mention all the losses and inefficiencies during their use...then their recycling if it's even possible!? This is incredibly small-scale production at the very beginning. And *_it's already massively cheaper than EVs are for certain!!!_* Do you not realize how much Evs and their infrastructure costs?? It's TRILLIONS!! There are tens if not hundreds of thousands or people who have been driving for a decade on HVO biodiesel, biomethane, bioethanol and natural gas. Those are all MASSIVELY cheaper than EVs!!! Snd lower in CO2! E-fuels can also OF COURSE be produced at large enough quantities and in very efficient production facilities, both in modern nuclear power plants and in remote locations where there are sustainable geothermal, wind, solar, etc. sources which can't be utilized without e-fuel or hydrogen production. But I guess you have no clue about e-fuel production in (or alongside) nuclear power plants, have you? You have no idea about how e-fuels (and hydrogen) are the opposite of what you say and actually provide incredibly _efficient_ production with renewables. Don't you realize how EVs don't even reduce CO2? I guess you haven't read the published research on EV vs. ICE lifetime CO2 emissions. I have, I've read them all. And I've read the paper published recently by Ffe München (an EV-industry-funded research institute) which shows how ICE cars even run on fossil natural gas are clearly lower in CO2-emissions than EVs!

[@tomsdaddy]

@@pistonburner6448 So how much does the wind cost, when it blows ? Don't be a silly piston, this is a very impressive, but niche product, for a niche market, - but most people will be driving to Circuits to watch this being consumed by some fantastic cars in their bog-standard Wind-Power-Powered EVs.

[@reinmansmith]

As ever Harry, thank you for taking us on this journey. The science may be a bit headache inducing but it’s clear that, (as you and your guest said), as the carbon used in the building of our classic cars is long gone, the use of more environmentally friendly fuels such as these will mean that we are actually far more environmentally friendly than the eco warriors in their battery electric vehicles! I will look forward to further videos on the subject …

[@mustrumridcully3853]

That is a bit misplaced. Even electric batteries can be recycled, so at worst the Ev v Ice debate will be a flatter playing field. My concern is that any "alternative" is just that - a clean friendly alternative that adds no more CO2

[@d.uacearnaigh5209]

You should have a look at our carbon negative solution. We’ve got efuels cheaper than fossils.

[@ckm-mkc]

They need to learn how to simplify their messaging. The current explanation is either to far in the weeds (like David) or completely opaque (the website)..... It's doesn't layout any basic facts like what the actual feedstock is, how much energy is used in production and how it compares to fossil fuel production. Harry has done a remarkable job of digging up graphics that try to bring some transparency, but it's not nearly enough. And I am saying this as an engineer....

[@markdamm7715]

Fantastic video, thanks

[@Thecrazyvaclav]

I was on board right up until Dave starting speaking, then I was lost. I’ll be putting the number of views for this video up by quite a lot, when I rewatch it a couple of times to get my head round it

[@cyuiyuwyguiyui8540]

Excellent episode BTW (as always!)

[@o2i3u5klwerh8]

Wonderfully explained ❤

[@jtothepmusic]

I really hope more car manufacturers get on board with this kind of stuff and, like Porsche, help with the development of them. Didn't the EU rule (after pressure from the Germans and the Italians) that cars with ICE engines can still be produced after 2035 as long as they run on sustainable fuels? There is no substitute for an internal combustion engine when it comes to driving pleasure. The Emira lookes utterly gorgeous too (I'm biased!)

[@neilturner6749]

Yes that’s my understanding too. Assuming that almost all petrol engines can theoretically run on sustainable or e-fuel, that basically means there will be no ICE ban from 2035 at all…

[@boostav]

Just synthetic fuel not bio fuel.

[@bigduphusaj162]

porsche? 😂 mate porsche are nobodies as far as market share is concerned and porsche need to put their energy into making their cars reliable again as here and now they are abysmal, rock bottom of the reliability charts pumping out disposable junk.

[@strat0871]

I think this won't go any further than competition world, too expensive for everyone's use.

[@Zachnav]

I believe that Porsche are in partnership with Mobil

[@danielmarshall4587]

Gentlemen thank you for your time and effort bringing us this insight, and those who's questions brought this.

[@johnsmith1474]

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[@markthoughtswithukrainemas2072]

your so professional ,, these people have names try using them

[@danielmarshall4587]

@@markthoughtswithukrainemas2072 no

[@MrNikodemus5]

Thank you, very interesting

[@recruitmentwebsites]

Very enlightening on his part.

[@michaelbeavis6634]

knowledge is everything ,great vid

[@jeffharrison5265]

Great information!! I'll have to research what is equivalent to Coryton here in the U.S.

[@Wacky_Races]

Brilliant video. As you say this is the very early days of this technology and can only get better. Chapeau!

[@S.ASmith]

Grass cut grass smell from synthetic produced compounds screams "Phosgene" at me. Maybe, working around some nasty stuff in a few different jobs has really given me some sort of PTSD. Pyrolysis of waste products for me. Micro-production in the future so I can self fuel from existing things that are essentially free. You can produce gas from them for heating and storage in a small gasometer, heavy fuel oils (diesel) or crack the polymer chains to produce shorter compounds between C5 and C16 which mostly form petrol (with C7-C10 being the majority of said petrol you get at the pump). The additive chemistry is the more difficult bit, as David said they passivate the surfaces inside the engine and fuel system to stop galvanic corrosion occurring. Most contain phosphorous and are moving away from any sort of metal containing additives (such as copper in oil additives) to reduce emissions and particulates. Siloxanes are added to fuels and oils in small amounts as well, as they will bind weakly or strongly (depends on what compound it is) to the surface of say...an Iron Oxide (rust) deposit inside your cast iron engine block at the electron-microscope level, and prevent any sort of pitting or further corrosion from happening. Petrochemistry is a massive field, and a very interesting one. Using coal and such to produce liquid fuels is not a bad idea either, especially if you can "recycle" said carbon back into fuel. At the end of the day though, all that carbon will make it's way into a plant at some point; as happened during previous geological eras/epochs when atmospheric CO2 concentration was higher. It isn't the end of the world, it isn't something to panic over & there's much more harmful and serious pollution to be concerned with (endocrine disruptors, plastic waste [some of which cause the first thing], SOx and NOx pollution & metal pollution).

[@Luke-lp1tj]

loved seeing the old Mazda rx3 coupe in the video, had three of these as a young fella in Aus

[@draventannoy]

Thx for this, really hope this kind of development keeps going. We need to ensure a future for our beloved engines.

[@Ztandard32]

Thanks for following this theme. I might have to watch again to understand it all. I would like to understand better the effect to the planet compared to other options.

[@cliveramsbotty6077]

my god was this far more interesting and comprehensible than i expected

[@LeoDijkstra-nr3xo]

As a chemical engineer, I appreciated the speed course into production pathways very much. Thank you David for actually going into depth a bit there. As well as on the mass balancing/traceability element (as I’m personally active in creating provenance systems for e.g. green electricity/hydrogen etc.). Super video and thanks to Harry’s Garage as this has made all a bit clearer now to me as a classic car nut and owner.

[@d.uacearnaigh5209]

We’d love to go over our technology with you then. I think you’ll find it valuable.

[@rossm9676]

Harry, I think you need to enlist the services of Ryan F9 to make this subject comprehensible to everybody. He has that knack of turning science into understandable facts.

[@Gorbyrev]

An excellent filmaker, Ryan. Almost made me look for a Honda Silverwing.

[@philhawley1219]

@@Gorbyrev A Plastic Maggot with a fairing?

[@Gorbyrev]

@@philhawley1219 The very fellow.

[@davebarron5939]

Thanks for being ahead of the curve Harry, always enjoyable and educational.

[@freetrade8830]

🤡

[@terryo5672]

Great to have videos like this. Love to hear about developments in this technology.

[@nikoscosmos]

What a breath of fresh air!

[@timogaleon1630]

I must confess that despite an engineering background, chemistry was my least favourite subject at school (even worse than Latin!), however I completely failed to follow any of this. I could watch it 10 times and not be any wiser. I think I must be getting even thicker than I’d feared. However, I am interested in all this, so another go in the future at trying to explain it in words suitable for a complete dunderhead would be much appreciated!

[@johnsmith1474]

You are on your own here.

[@stevemull2002]

I did Biology, physics, Chemistry, up until i was 15, yet in the last year (16) dropped Chemistry as i got o a point , i did not understand it,

[@chris-jarrett]

I'm interested in this subject but none of this sunk in except the fact that it's feking complicated 🤯

[@rossnewton3396]

In very simple terms look at the slide c. 7:54 & 8:30. Basically you are either taking waste plastic/bioethanol from crops and reprocessing them into new fuels. Sustainable fuels. Or. You are taking Carbon and Hydrogen direct from the air and, using fancy chemistry, breaking it down and recombining it into fuel. Those are e fuels. If you want to understand the 'fancy chemistry'.. good luck.

[@DiscoFang]

Part of the problem is he started explaining the concepts and processes relatively clearly and wonderfully directly but then he kept slipping into media-spin-waffle.

[@acemcgraw1]

I can't help but feel this will always be a niche product and will soon become another way of benefitting the rich over the poor - basically people like Harry with fleets of ICE classics that can afford to pay over the odds for "sustainable" fuel. Ownership of classics or anything on an ICE engine may well be out of reach for the vast majority of people.

[@alexmaddox2255]

Agree but as petrol heads we'll need to rely on people like Harry to showcase his collection at events like Goodwood for example. Harry and others will become custodians of an era gone by.

[@markfox6741]

Lobby your MP. How much of 'fuel' is actually 'tax'? At the moment, sustainable fuels are a tiny drop in comparison to regular fuel. If a taxation system is generated where the amount of fossil fuel in the mix is what gets taxed/dutied at one rate, and the sustainable part gets a (more or less) free ride... the product will become at least comparable, if not cheaper! If you think this sounds a bit difficult - well, it's just what has happened with alcohol in drinks. It's just a formula. Like EVs, sustainable fuel is an inevitability - driven by demand from the concerned consumer. Be that consumer, show your concern - your voice in government is your representative in parliament: let your tiger out of your tank, and set him on your MP. :D

[@maxb8468]

Renewables are designed to be greener, not cheaper!

[@acemcgraw1]

@@maxb8468 at the moment, but if greener energy sources are to become the mainstream (which they will need to in order to make a difference), they will need to become cheaper too. My fear is that it sounds like this product is designed to be an elite and niche product.

[@hassyg4083]

@@markfox6741 UK only uses 20% of the oil it drills rest is sold abroad

[@howardg186]

Such a great vid 👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼

[@smith5464]

Harry I never miss your video they’re superb, as others have mentioned this is just way to complex, subject needs to be simplified

[@hourglass899]

Very interesting content Harry - I can see this being the start of a whole series on such matters - good one!

[@Bikeaddict4235]

I for one Hope not, I glazed over 5minutes in 😂

[@billkeaveney1526]

Thanks for covering this Harry, your analysis is always spot on.

[@davids9960]

Great content here! Thanks to both you and David Richardson for this interesting information. Keep it coming.

[@mschrappe]

Very interesting. Would like to see the plant they have and would be great to know more about the Aviation solution, specially because they are doing Diesel as well, so we could also know how it's going for transportation, the main villain!

[@jamest5149]

A bund under/around your fuel storage would be a good idea increase of leaks and spills plus a number of easy reach blanking foam fire extinguishers Harry.

[@cliveturner4788]

I’m sure that the barrels shown in this video don’t illustrate Harry’s storage methods……😮

[@jonathanrabbitt]

I would store the fuel in a completely separate building, well away from a building filled with expensive historic cars. I wonder what his insurance company would think about his situation.

[@bigduphusaj162]

​@@jonathanrabbittthe cars have fuel in them you berk😂 a car is a glorified fuel station in essence. Sounds like you're about to grass him too.. you a grass pal?.

[@Surestick88]

I have noticed cleaner burning on alkylate fuel. The few times I've used it a 2T dirt bike that has a habit of fouling plugs had plugs come out a nice tan colour.

[@bigduphusaj162]

what bike is it and goodness sake mate tune your carb so its not going through plugs.

[@lesklower7281]

Harry you made a very good point about classic cars and motorcycles is that there carbon footprint involved in the manufacturing if them has gone in Australia we have E10 but we have unleaded petrol also 91 95 and 98 also available from very petrol stations E85 and we have are a 2021 Suzuki Beleno and l own a 1997 Toyota Hilux and we only use 91 unleaded in both of them and the E10 is 2cents cheaper than the unleaded 91 and l have had very bad experiences with E10 in the past not catostophic problems but l did use E10 in a efi ute l had fir courier work and l the petrol pump in the tank failed twice and this ute didn't sit around it was driven every day also we had a brand bew Ford Fiesta tan E10 in it and the fuel pump failed from the E10 l replaced my ute because it had just worn out because courier work is hard on vehicles l bought another ute ran it on 91 unleaded and never changed the petrol pump on it so E10 you can use it in modern engines but you will be replacing oetrol pumps and my 1997 Toyota Hilux is carburetored so no way will l ever out E10 in it

[@thomasstorrs6345]

Aviation giants, DOD, etc certainly have the funds to scale this tech up.

[@v4skunk739]

Well now UFO are confirmed real by US gov and military! They recovered craft and biologics (none human bodies)! Release the fucking tech to the public. The power sources alone could change the world and lets not even talk about the anti gravity propulsion that can accelerate to 16,000mph in second...

[@michaelfraser5723]

people like cheap flights, and jets can only run on kerosene

[@luke_3_113]

@@michaelfraser5723 You can certainly develop other engines, it's called progress, and other fuels and sources. It's not a done deal.

[@The_Real_Pope]

One of the challenges for sustainable fuels in aviation is that they contain far less aromatic compounds than fossil-derived kerosene - aromatics give the fuel its lubricant properties, so it plays havoc with things like fuel pumps as a result

[@tomsdaddy]

@@michaelfraser5723 Apart from the Electric ones ... 😉

[@wilbobagins]

Clearly a lot of engineering skill going into this. What if some of that was focussed on the feasibility of conversion of classics to run E85? Admittedly it would involve replacement tanks, fuel lines, pumps, carb tuning etc. but the fuel is readily available

[@albertbione7638]

Excellent discussion. Please do more on this subject. This topic crosses over the classic car concern and the current and future fuel options.

[@jazzjokesjalopies]

Thank you for a fascinating science lesson. Glad there is no quiz - and glad they’re making progress on behalf of the planet.

[@bigduphusaj162]

keep telling yourself that as billionaires become even richer under the guise of "saving the planet"

[@stumonkey17]

Fascinating to learn more thanks Harry. It sounds like there is impressive development of these products which could benefit many people. It would be interesting to see how the meetings with the DfT go when the government approach is biased to electric vehicles

[@jackmilan74]

Thanks a lot Harry, these is the right fuel for my brain cells!

[@stanislavczebinski994]

In theory, E-Fuel for cars sound like a good idea. In theory, that is. But: According to Shell, there will be no significant E-Fuel production before 2030. And "significant" doesn't mean there is enough of it for each and every car. Not even by a long shot. According to Fraunhofer Institute, production cost will be 1,20 - 3,60€ per Liter in 2050. Conventional fuel today is 0,60 - 0,70€ before taxes, profits, transportation etc.. Here in Germany, only 2 car manufacturers consider building ICE-cars after 2030. Porsche wants to do it, BMW would like to have the option. But even if they keep building them - many countries won't allow importation anymore. Running an ICE-car on E-Fuel made from electric power needs 5x more energy than running an EV. An EV is 70 - 80% efficient, ICE on E-Fuel 15%. In 2030, EVs will be significantly better than today. More range, less consumption, less weight. Electricity prices at chargers will go down significantly, too. For those reasons, only very few people will be interested in buying new ICE vehicles. Even in big-scale, production cost is exponentially higher than conventional fuel. To reduce emissions, all air traffic needs E-Fuel - batteries are too heavy for planes. Therefore, it is doubtful there will be enough of it to run cars with it, too. Furthermore, E-Fuel ICEs emit quite a bit carbon monoxide and ammonia. In total, it is interesting technology - but, without subsidies, won't live much longer than E85, Bio-Diesel, CNG etc. which were "the future" a few years ago. They do still exist - but they aren't "the solution". There will never be "the solution". There will be different solutions for different applications. And it won't be like "flicking the switch". It will take time before every aspect of our lives will be CO²-neutral.

[@nixer65]

Thanks for a reply with data. From this I did a bunch of googling. There’s an interesting paper that was produced by the EU that says that 17% efficiency is the current practical limit for energy efficiency in using e-fuel. That is the origin of your costs per liter. So this will be fine for using in your classic car doing limited mileage, but that would mean around £400-£500 a tank on pure e-fuel and those numbers will never come down due to the efficiency. Nice idea but this is only ever going to be niche - shame.

[@stanislavczebinski994]

@@nixer65 Spot on. Considering allmost all classic/collectors' cars do little milage annually anyway there is little advantage to premium pump gas/conventional synthetic fuel. Personally, I like Autogas/LPG. Especially pre-DI petrol engines are easy and affordable to convert. It saves ~10% CO² - it's superclean (a tiny bit of paraffine - the gas filter takes care of) and has more than 100 octane. It's a fossil fuel - but basically a waste product. Nobody drills a hole in the ground for it. It comes partly along with crude oil out of the well - partly along refinery operation. My 2006 Ford Focus ST has the good old 5-cyl. pre-DI Volvo engine. It's already my 2nd ST - the first had LPG installed and ran perfectly fine - no.2 is fully laden but no LPG. A complete new Autgas system would cost less than 850€ - luckily, I can re-use the golden evaporator and the Hana Gold-injectors. Both would be ~200€ extra. Regarding cost: Conventional E10 is ~1.80€/liter at the pump here in Germany. Production cost are 0.70€. Therefore, E-Fuel at 1.20€+X would be at least 2.60€ at the pump. Without fuel tax or VAT raise, that is. As we say here: It's just the next pig driven through the village. The last one was CNG. Only a few years ago - almost every manufacturer had at least one CNG model on offer. Dacia for instance offered an LPG model from the factory - they were mostly aimed at Eastern Europe whereas most German customers went for a Diesel for high milage. Opel (Vauxhall in the UK) offered CNG and a few LPG models. One of them was the Zafira 1.6L 101hp CNG. Looked good on paper - problem was the heavy CNG steel tanks. 200kg dead weight extra. Considering a Zafira is usually bought to transport 2 adults and at least 2 kids and additional stuff - a 1.6L 101hp doesn't cut the mustard. Even today, there is a reduced fuel tax on CNG here in Germany - but not on LPG any more. Thank you, car lobby!!😡 But even at ~1€/Liter it's still a bargain. Even when adding the 20% higher consumption on LPG - that's 1.20€ for a super-clean, 100+ octane fuel readily available. That's 0.80€ less than inferiour V-Power/Ultimate petrol. The imaginative queue at the station selling that crap for 1.20€ would reach to Fireland😆

[@stanislavczebinski994]

But even with LPG - for short distances, I take my bike. There is little point in starting my ST cold, stop-and-go into the city, find a parking place. Let it sit for 30mins or longer - starting it cold again, etc.. When I drive I always take the time to drive it warm - in warm condition, engine wear is almost zero. Plus, consumption is lower (no condesation losses) and I can use it's power. It's a ST, after all. For long trips (depending where) I like the train, too. Especially congested Autobahns around big cities like Cologne or Frankfurt are a pain in the a.

[@geoffrey6557]

Thank you for a fascinating video. I hope this will be the first of a series exploring this interesting subject. I hope you could persuade David to set up his own You Tube channel like Ian Tyrell has.

[@davecollumbell4592]

Brilliant video, I'll be definitely intersted in buying some fuel, this is what should be pushing towards cleaner fuels, we already have the infrastructure inplace and its a drop in fuel its a no brainer 😊

[@mustrumridcully3853]

Yes, why do we need to eat when we can put it ito a car instead.

[@DC.409]

Excellent explanation video Harry glad to hear you intend to research into this option further. Will you at some point consider the sustainable diesel fuel for your farm equipment, or does that presently bring a load of commercial issues.

[@lorddraper]

At present you struggle to get red diesel with out some bio element

[@rudesurferdude]

Really good episode, great to have such expertise

[@andrewcameron1050]

I'd Imagine the higher costs of synthetic diesel would mean Harry's farm would lose money every year instead of occasionally

[@DC.409]

@@andrewcameron1050 hence my question

[@RoelfvanderMerwe]

Super interesting chat.

[@antonoat]

That was fascinating! I have to say I'm amazed at the assumption we are all systems go for Electric vehicles, as time moves on there are very serious issues emerging which haven't been given the consideration they should have so all EV alternatives need to be considered and investigated! Good one Harry, thanks.

[@tomsdaddy]

Such as ?

[@richardmortimer8147]

Absolutely right. The great thing about EVs is the extra choice. Great for city use, if you can charge it (and, that's a pretty big 'IF' at the moment). The concept of plug-in hybrids and standard hybrids is great too.

[@bigduphusaj162]

​@@tomsdaddydanger mining the battery materials, lack of infrastructure for charging commercial vehicles, a power grid not cappable of allowing even a 10th of the population to recharge at home, disposal of them after their service life is horrific. Should I go on?

[@GT380man]

@@bigduphusaj162The impracticality of recycling batteries in BEVs. There isn’t a cost-economical method for recycling these large, complex cells. There isn’t an ENERGY-economical method for recycling them, either. I seriously expect old BEV batteries to be flung into landfill sites, next to cut up wind turbines blades. By contrast (& I’m aware the comparison isn’t direct) the lead-acid batteries in conventionally fuelled cars are readily recyclable and actually recycled to at least 90%. I believe it’s over 95% but I don’t immediately have a source for that number.

[@pistonburner6448]

@@richardmortimer8147 Wrong. City use means few miles per year, and in those use cases ICE cars emit less CO2 than EVs already when using fossil fuels in most cases. All you'd need is a few more percent of biofuel or e-fuel mix into the fuel and all ICE cars would be *_clearly_* lower than EVs.

[@italofallaci9029]

What I actually fear about all this is the distribution, or lack of. If electric cars will become the norm, fuel pumps will start to disappear, making it almost impossible to go on roadtrips, which is what I enjoy the most. It's good if it will be possible to keep running ICE cars in specific contests but sad at the same time if this will mean being obliged to drive them only in selected areas such as racetracks

[@Brookspirit]

They don't need to ban petrol and diesel vehicles, they will just make it impossible to buy the fuel.

[@Stabby666]

Well it's the same if you want to drive a steam powered traction engine on the road today I guess. As tech moves on, the older tech naturally becomes less convenient. It won't be economically viable for fuelling stations to stock petrol or diesel. It'll likely take at least a decade though, as EV HGVs still have issues with added weight and range.

[@jameswalker7874]

This sort of fuel is unlikely to go mainstream. The carbon capture variant by Bosch/Siemens and so on is far more likely to become mainstream.

[@pistonburner6448]

Fuel pumps won't disappear, as they will be needed for vehicles for an incredibly long time even with a projected EV increase at today's numbers...but what is soon going to happen is people will notice how the big EV push has all been a massive scam, doesn't make sense, is anti-science, and will be curbed. It has already been proven than ICE cars run on certified HVO biodiesel (75-90% lower in CO2 than fossil diesel = massively lower than EVs), biomethane, bioethanol are much lower in CO2 than EVs...even cars run on fossil natural gas (same stuff as biomethane but instead of from a sustainable source it's a fossil fuel which comes from the ground) easily beat EVs in their environmental credentials. Ffe München, which is a mostly EV-industry funded research institute recently came out with a study which showed that even ICE cars run on *_fossil_* natural gas are much lower in CO2 than EVs!! So imagine the massive chasm between HVO biodiesel, biomethane, bioethanol etc. compared to EVs! And e-fuels will soon be proven to do that too, all that's needed is to get their production started up in the various ways it can be produced: from solar, wind & geothermal especially in locations where it couldn't at all even be utilised without e-fuels, extremely efficiently and cheaply with modern nuclear power plants which can even use the reaction process for part of the production. HVO biodiesel is already easily distributed, so is biomethane, as is also bioethanol. There is no real problem...except for corruption. Pushing EVs on us will cost TRILLIONS, which will totally bankrupt us, and take away the funds from all far better environmental projects. Meanwhile biomethane is already sold more cheaply than fossil stuff right now all over Europe in a wide distribution network, and HVO biodiesel costs only a few cents per litre more. But there's more: those prices are *_including taxes_* for those ICE fuels, so they're cheaper *_while still contributing to society_* while EVs do the opposite: they pay no taxes and actually cost our society absolutely horrendously much!!

[@pistonburner6448]

@@Stabby666 ICE isn't older tech, and isn't less convenient. Nor will it, unless those absolutely insane, corrupt totalitarians dictate that to us by force. For very many years already my family has been driving on HVO biodiesel, available widely in their home country, which makes their car massively lower in CO2 than any EVs, and it only costs them a few cents per litre more...while paying MASSIVE amounts of taxes. Compare that to how much EVs cost...while not paying any taxes, quite the opposite: Europe-wide they are sucking us dry with TRILLIONS of taxpayer money about to be sunk into them! Same goes with biomethane, which is widely distributed all around Europe: except that is actually CHEAPER than fossil fuels in most countries...while including taxes into the price!

[@AlexSmith-de2le]

Really interesting content. I can understand the questions about modifications as I recall all sorts of horror stories when 4-star fuel was withdrawn.

[@GeDeGo]

Thanks Harry for this investigative interview. I live north of Hamburg close to the coast in a region that has recently been named the >>green energy valley

[@robjackson178]

I believe synthetic fuel is the way forward, as we already have the infrastructure in place (fuel stations etc.), people don’t have to buy specific cars, and the government can still claim tax of it. In my view the benefits are better than electric cars (although these still have a place). Harry, it would be worthwhile doing more videos on this subject and asking David if you can get a tour of their facility to help the masses understand the process better and what’s involved.n

[@parsot]

It just doesn't scale economically, it's a shame that wasn't covered on the video. Coryton recognise this and positions synthetic fuel as a transitional fuel towards electrification or for specialist use. Biofuels are expensive and require vast amounts of land, while efuels are incredibly and fundamentally inefficient. At the end of the day using electricity directly for transport is about 5x cheaper than efuels or biofuels even with the most optimistic predictions

[@warren6815]

Can't disagree. And it makes me wonder if the same energy and investment was put into synthetic fuels 10-15+ years ago as was pumped into electric how different things would be now. Car manufacturers would be able to continue developing the internal combustion engine (which was already at a stage where it was very efficient and clean) and members of the public could still continue to use their existing cars rather than trading them in for a more expensive and often inferior EV. I agree with you that EVs do have a place, but it isn't a replacement for the internal combustion engine.

[@parsot]

@@warren6815 internal combustion very efficient is 30-40% , EV very efficient is +80% That's why synthetic fuels have never been an alternative to electrification for mass transport. And no amount of optimisation can move that dial, it's a limit of thermodynamics

[@JohnJohn-zh4ov]

That misses the key point about efuels; they require a strained energy source (like wind in pategonia or solar in the ME), if you have that then efficiency is no longer a concern. This isn't to say that rapid electrification isn't sensible, but without sustainable fuels - rapid electrification does not save any CO2 whatsoever, in fact it makes the situation significantly worse.

[@parsot]

@@JohnJohn-zh4ov the problem with that is you then need to transport the fuel which requires more sustainable fuel, and you need vast amounts of energy so the economics still don't make much sense. However, sustainable fuel does have some role to play in transition - just as biofuel does today.

[@SuperWayneyb]

Would be cool to see this as an option at the pumps so the price could come down as demand rises and eventually be the fuel to have 🤘😎🤘🇬🇧

[@gergelyturcsanyi6743]

Come on, the fuel is so cheap right now..

[@bigduphusaj162]

you must be from another planet if you think they lower the price of fuel as demand goes up. Theyve litteraly just conned you all with Adblue 😂

[@anthonywebb4068]

worked on a couple of projects with Dave Richardson, nice bloke.

[@catmulldp]

Hi Harry can I recommend that you have an earth strap between the fuel container and the car this may be in the fuel hose as per filling stations and that the fuel drums are stored on a container to stop the possibily of a leak flooding your garage. Carry on the good work best wishes .David

[@malcolmshepherd5157]

Hi Harry love your talking about this. Its what comes out of the tail pipe that interests me - this discussion was low on that - a reduction in particulates and Nox ? . . . I thought the Chilean Porche plant was using Fisher Tropsch technology - I think they said here that it was a bio process ? . . Which means they would have to have deliveries of material ? . . Not sure that's right . . .

[@Tony-hj7bm]

thanks

[@alberthitchcock]

Great video Harry and very informative. So I gather that it is possible to buy up to 270 litres if you inform the local council. Will Coryton supply you a drum of fuel which I think is about 200 litres ? Thanks

[@Butlins14]

When we seeing F40 and F50?

[@garymcbrearty5845]

Harry, don't worry about the chemistry, get a farmers co-op started where you get your e-fuel as direct payment in exchange for the crop waste processors fee, they're then working the same way with the fuel makers. Thanks very much though I caught most of that lesson from David, once more through is all that should be required

[@sresto7943]

A great subject which may future proof our classics, the main thing i got from this is which it is made from waist of products, ive worked in the sugar beat plants in Norfolk and the smell is not forgeable which i can only think is from the amount of energy in the waist, from my thinking this type of waist would be spread on fields re introducing the nitrogen/carbon elements back to the soil but alot will go back in to the air as methane, now this is what we should be running our classics on and i take as a true offset.

[@Andrew-vx2ls]

Harry has presented the GB perspective and Coryton obviously wish to market their fuel a high price. However, there are several issues that can be pointed out: - agri-waste (literally left overs from sugarbeet production and animal feed) can be used to make e85 (85% ethanol and 15% petrol). This requires some some chip tuning to allow a flexibility. - the "ethanol is bad" nonsense is punted around by folks influenced by big oil and the brexit media. There are easy solutions involving different gaskets and seals and when making the conversion from standard petrol, filters are advised as the Ethanol will literally clean the fuel pipes and valves! - e85 is in everyday use in France. It costs 95 cents a litre (about £0.95)...not £4 per litre! In winter the mix goes to about 50:50 to help starting in cold weather. - many new cars in France are sold with flex fuel arrangemsnts to take e85. Indeed it would be impossible to sell JLR cars without this in France. If H reads this he is welcome to get in touch and I will explain it to him!

[@sresto7943]

@@Andrew-vx2ls from what ive read the e85 product available uk is more race fuels with higher octane hence the higher price, also would i be correct in saying e85 in france comes with a tax brake advantage ?

[@Andrew-vx2ls]

@@sresto7943 E85 in France is a "green alternative" and therefore has a lower tax burden. GB experimented with it briefly but it did not take off as the Chancellor at the time did not want to help. E85 was also used for racing in GB. My point is than Ethanol from sugar beet waste would (a) be ecological as quite close to being carbon neutral (b) improve the dire trade deficit of GB (c) help with the cost of leaving crisis. E85 does need to be used: it cannot be left for say 2 months without being used (it separates more quickly than petrol. It also has a slightly lower calorific value (so fuel consumption is slightly higher to compensate) and in winter the fuel companies add more petrol to make starting easier (for the same reason). I'm very, very surprised that Harry has not investigated this. I will be converting my Elan GTS to E85...but I can get it easily at 1€ a litre.

[@iantownsend500]

Always find Harry’s videos like this interesting, thanks for uploading

[@antoniobaptista9147]

Dear Harry, congrats for one interesting and important technical video. eFuels and BioFuels can be the only chance to use classic (modern or less-modern..) in the future. Do you know also the BioLPG, that is already available in UK (for domestic heat and cars)? A common LPG conversion kit is enough to use it and become 85% Carbon-neutral, but at 1,2£/liter... It would be interesting to see that option on review for modern-classics. GoodSpeed for your important channel!

[@flashsgarage]

Sadly, there’s simply no way the biomass fuel path could scale to make a meaningful dent on global hydrocarbon consumption patterns. So Coryton’s solution is really just a bridge fuel to help the conscience of a few until renewable-powered hydrogen and direct air capture can ramp up (true e-fuels)

[@tobymenstroni8765]

Thank you so much for this fantastic video. I had come across Sustain before, and this has answered many questions. All I need to do now is win the lottery so I can afford to buy something to run it on.

[@ronniemackenzie097]

Im looking forward to using efuels in my 1998 rover mini cooper spi!

[@stevenbennett3922]

Harry. Do you get discount from the £21/gallon if you buy in bulk?

[@Andrew-jh5uv]

Great video Harry. Possibly consider some whiteboarding in the future to lower the level of abstraction....

[@zoufmalade]

I'm French and I can't help myself thinking you're getting robbed in the UK. Yes, as I quite understand, the chemistry explained in the video showing what goes into making those fuels really take into consideration our beloved old cars and sport cars. By that I mean that the simple fact the fuel is "drop in" is in itself a pretty nice achievement. However, here in France and in a lot of places around the world, we get e85 which seems to be as sustainable as Coryton's fuels, albeit with even more sustainable juice (85% as the name suggests, but maybe that's to do with the tracabilty stuff). An old carburated car would need some tweakings to the ignition and fuel flow to take it correctly, and maybe some new rubber joints, but as long as you have electronic injection and ignition, it's a no brainer. I currently run a Civic Type R FN2 with a flexfuel map but no other mods, and it just works flawlessly. The "getting robbbed" and "no brainer" refering to the fact that we pay around 1€/liter. With the difference in price, I can clearly schedule some rubber joints replacement if ever that's really a topic...

[@wiktorjachyra1869]

Having the different fossil fuel mix ins is genius. Even if everyone used the 33% blend (the cheapest option) a 33% reduction in co2 from fuel emissions would be astronomical.

[@SPC22]

For what purpose? Killing plant life? As it as sure as hell isn't affecting the climate....I can't believe a handful of billionaires have convinced so many people of this B.S..

[@bnuttsgee]

This is great . Electric cars are nice but not the answer . In the USA we got people wanting to ban natural gas stoves. We lost power for two weeks after a hurricane but we where able to heat our houses and cook with natural gas and drive our cars with fossil fuels. I support fossil fuels

[@boostav]

You can't. There's just not enough waste to make biofuels for the 1 billion plus vehicles around the world. They're good for niche applications like running classic cars.

[@Matthew-ll9ke]

​@@boostavand there's not enough electricity in the world to charge 1 billion cars. These sustainable fuels don't need to be made from biowaste, it can be captured carbon and many other feedstocks

[@boostav]

@@Matthew-ll9ke How do you think you power the carbon capture process and hydrolysis to create synthetic fuel? With electricity. The difference being that charging a battery directly with that electricity is far more efficient than creating a liquid fuel through carbon capture and electrolysis. There aren't enough feedstocks for bio fuels, he even admits so at 16:58, that is their limiting factor.

[@mgravener]

Very interesting. my BMW 650GC 4.4V8 is highly susceptible to poor fuel - what's your view on such engines that need a very pure content to run smoothly and protect the engine?

[@johnbrown3951]

There is a lot of work to go into this but it is a no brainer to allow these big engined cars to be run in the future so my grandchildren can see what I keep talking about in my later years. Thanks Harry for putting this technology into words we can understand. I look forward to your journey using and teaching us about them.

[@helmutbargeld728]

Just me? As David R gets into the technicalities I keep waiting for Harry to start saying "be quiet! I order you to be quiet!" 😆

[@TT_1221]

Great Video. I think all alternatives to Electric should be explored as there must be better alternatives. If this sustainable fuel runs on all combustible engines then great. Petrol and Diesel options too I assume. The current issue of course is the price - 4/5 £ per liter. Thanks to Harry and those who give it a go and try to be early adopters. Let's hope the journey of sustainable fuels resolves the technical, availability and pricing issues so we can have mass market and keep our combustible engine motors!

[@mustrumridcully3853]

At the point we have to grow things to run vehicles, it has to be wrong. Especially when Ev alternatives can use wind and solar. We need all the crops we can grow just to feed a still growing planet.

[@MuitoDaora]

@@mustrumridcully3853 Exactly, the poor energy efficiency just doesn't make sense.

[@timstead1652]

Can you put the slides of various methods onto attachments to look at again please , many thanks yours timstead