evo Car of the Year 2021

[@JBOsurf]

Finally...in car commentary is back for ECOTY! Your best video in YEARS! There is only one other element you need to add for next year. A one hour fireside chat in the pub with all participants, discussing the final rankings. That way we'd get the scenery, the in-car commentary, and an insight into the banter amongst the team.

[@michaeln2768]

couldn't agree more!

[@AnthonyMunyi]

I second that! Has to happen

[@howarddavies136]

The sound editing is so much better than previous years!

[@wolfganghimmelsbach6929]

Yes, please

[@sephiros9883]

Amen to that!!! That was a million times better than last years!

[@baronvonteuchter1412]

Serious return to form Evo, great job. Talking about how the cars feel and how they make you feel - brilliant.

[@molokocycling]

I wrote last year how disappointed I was at ECOTY…this year you guys have smashed it. So glad to see my fav mag and faces back at their very best. Nice one lads 👍🏽

[@BenDunlop]

What was wrong with last year's COTY?

[@zairomolino4074]

@@BenDunlop probably his fav car did not win

[@TeslasSecret]

@@BenDunlop The format wasn't to everybody's liking. I, for one, didn't like it.

[@molokocycling]

Hardly any car shots and lots of chat in lay-bys, great edit this year.

[@Gerryb92]

@@molokocycling Can't agree with you more. eCoTY last two years been probably the worst I can remember. This is a return to form. Finally!

[@tan9640]

A video from Evo again!? Finally man. Honestly feels like car magazines such as Evo, Autocar an so on have been taken over and left in the dust by independent KZbinrs and new channels, but this is a reminder as to why we need constant videos from Evo and so on, great video

[@patrickantar3056]

Can we acknowledge how beautiful that Touring is! What a great spec 🤤

[@ftw1540]

I think the little spoiler is brilliant. Looks like an old ducktail 911 from the 70s, when viewed from the rear in particular 👌

[@Lithiumwater]

Price isnt right though surely??

[@jeebus2121]

Black exterior with a black interior isn't very interesting.

[@lexus_offroad_adventures]

25:33 “just the front-end feels more hooked-up, more connected, more precise than the 991 GT3, I’m not sure quite what that is.” I’ll bet it’s the switch to double wishbone front suspension from McPherson strut.

[@flyingphoenix113]

100%. It's a night and day difference and elevates even the base GT3 to a level of precision that it's predecessor simply couldn't match (save for the more analog cars like the 996 GT3 and 997 GT3--but they have the advantage of hydraulic power steering).

[@Rodrigoxki]

@@flyingphoenix113 wow, wish I had the knowledge (and probable first-hand experience with both cars) that you seem to have. Props!

[@brianfowler2795]

Exactly - you beat me to the comment.

[@thetechlibrarian]

Yeah definitely. my 20 year old Honda with double wishbones just has something special about the road feel that my brand new Toyota xse can’t replicate. While I’m sure the limits are higher it just feels better

[@fcc1311]

U my friend are a freaking genius

[@DWI_Community]

Wow what a surprising result!! Stunning cinematography, breath taking location, and just an absolutely epic fleet of cars. Well done evo

[@yuanluo1139]

greeat video and congratulation for Ferrari the get the third last position in evo car of year. ferrari still live in the shadow of 458!!!

[@davidreynolds81]

One of my favourite things about ecoty, aside from the cars, commentary and videography is seeing all the greatest EVO car journalists I’ve grown up reading all together again! Lovely work once again guys!

[@howarddavies136]

I'd love to see Harry, Henry and Chris pop back for a reunion.

[@krioni86sa]

Muhammad Ali and Tyson Fury too

[@F1ll1nTh3Blanks]

@@krioni86sa Oh

[@buggerlugz6753]

@@howarddavies136 - Wouldn't that be epic!

[@PaniMCoupe]

This needs to be in 4K!! The cinematography is so amazing!

[@BoostedOnYT]

The fact that the i20N and CTR are in contention with these big fish is quite something. My vote is with that GT3 Touring, what a car.

[@mattievinh]

could it be the other way around? they could have just throw in any average car and say hey at least we included the 'every day' car?

[@PeakPerformanceReviews]

Totally agree Sean and tbh it doesn’t surprise me though, both such epic cars.

[@orbitaljunkie]

That GT3 Touring is probably my favorite Porsche ever. Stunning to look at.

[@PaddyMcQueen]

Lambo apart (racing car with numberplates) thw 992 is probably the best driving car there, sadly they didn t noticed it.

[@simp2234]

Where is yaris

[@arronhorwood9997]

Wasn’t expecting that. I’d have bet the 911 Touring being number 1. Truly great ECOTY video once again.

[@sdoubleu210]

I remember my uncle bringing a physical 1 TB hard-drive to my house to transfer pirated copies of top gear for me 12ish years ago. The fact that i can now simply open my computer and access this level of production value, journalistic and presentational skill, and quality of subjects (the cars) is just incredible. Jethro, Dickie, and Steve together on camera is such a privilege to watch - thanks for bringing us this level of content time and time again!

[@CamsJungleAquaria]

Knock knock, FBI open up!

[@superchargedsteve3411]

Wow what a beast that M5 CS is! Biggest surprise to me is the STO beating out the GT3!! Shows volumes about how special the STO really is and how much racecar for the road translates over. Also surprised the Giulia Quadrofoglio GTA M didn't make the cut.

[@simeonyves5940]

The Subscribers Version has the News on the GTA-M and its Issues. The GTA-M was Due to appear, and was Dickie Meaden's Car of the Year Regardless, but, Sadly. Alfa Romeo let them Down, they Could not Provide the original Car (given Top Gear had the GTA-M , I think they may have nabbed it) on the Dates ECOTY was due to Happen as it had to be bought Forward due to the Dreaded Lurgi, then Alfa Romeo "lost" the Replacement Car, then they could only offer them the Original Car for Half of the last Day. Alfa Romeo dropped the Ball. We can only hope it appears in ECOTY 2022 instead. Hope that Helps.

[@The_Stanman]

The M5 CS is absolutely fantastic, but I do think expectations played a part. The reality is expectations are low for BMW as of late, which I think subconsciously impacted scoring. GT3 is better in all driving aspects - steering feel, engine, transmission (manual or PDK), brake feel, chassis dynamics, lightweight, etc. and for about the same price. But we've come to expect that from a GT3. Not trying to take away from the M5 CS. It's just it's what the base M5 should be, and what all M cars used to offer.

[@eugenux]

I saw an sto vs gt3 video analysis/review. .. the STO looked and probably is just a track car. The noise at more than 40 mph is fun for 30 minutes, bearable for another 30 and unbearable for the next hour. This is a 2 hour drive car.. maximum... and that's not an amount of time that I consider to be sufficient... nor do I would like to wear ear plugs when driving on my favourite mountain road on something else beside a bike and, even then, I would prefer not to. I hate to say it but, at the end of this magnificent v10, audi has done a better job with the R8 rwd while this sto is just a play of who's got a longer sausage; any special car that's not usable on roads, cannot do a 300 mile trip to your favorite roads and back, it is not a real car or a serious option.. it is just a toy for those with little imagination. (not that I'm in the position to buy one but, even if I would be, I wouldn't; I wouldn't buy the 992 gt3 either as it seems also too track focused and too hard on suspensions for the roads I enjoy the most)

[@The_Stanman]

@@eugenux Like you, I'm someone who values liveability on real roads. The new GT3 is easily civil enough to use as a weekend warrior. It's just doesn't work as well as a daily anymore. Not sure if you've driven a 991 GT3, but it's shockingly comfortable for the performance it offers. Again, I think 992 is being compared vs expectations. It's nowhere near as rough as the STO.

[@eugenux]

@@The_Stanman hi, no I did not. As far as I know, there is only one 992 gt3 in my country and I am not in the position to buy one. If I would be, I would probably go for a 991.2. As for the STO, that's not something I'd want or ever consider; I find the evo rwd a much better proposition but, again, that's not a car I could afford now. What I fear is that, by the time I could afford one(either one), in a world full of EVs, the N/A cars would worth gazillions and thus, making them an option just for smarter and more fortunate/wealthier men than myself.

[@Sideways-Smiling]

Recreating the shot from 2015 ECOTY, nice!

[@iDropPhats]

The STO takes the cake for me. I had an opportunity to drive one for a few days relatively recently and it’s as refreshing as ice cold water on a hot day. In a world of turbos and low reviving engines with little character, even just the noise itself sets it apart from nearly all of the competition. It’s pinnacle performance for, unfortunately, a dying breed of naturally aspirated engines. Im praying I’ll be able to get in one again because I agree with Steve, it’s so refined in its delivery that it catches you off guard after driving what most would consider “boring cars” for quite some time.

[@omarr6021]

one of EVO best video for quite some time ,, i can imagine coming back years later in a world where EV cars dominate the street to watch this video again and again remembering the good old days :) thank you evo

[@nickgreen-virginiarealesta4971]

I love that a $30k Hyundai made it halfway up ECOTY. It speaks leaps and bounds to what that company has done in the hot hatch segment. And, half the price of the CTR.

[@gregou22]

Car Video of the Year. PS: would love a making of/behind the scenes of this. (bit disappointed by not hearing HC)

[@thesigmaenigma9102]

Surprised that M5 edged out the STO. But I think it was said best in the film: The STO is just simple; there's no questions about what it is or what it's trying to do or why it exists. V10 NA, DCT, insane aero, and that's all you need really. It's as new as old-school gets. And that's why I ordered one.

[@farnum3297]

..and what's wrong with simple for a driver's car? Ferrari was last as too complex, right? This is EVOCOTY after all, not MotorTrend. Very weird to me.

[@thesigmaenigma9102]

@@farnum3297 I meant simple in a good way!

[@bartoszmiki6774]

Congrats! I hope you will drive it as it should be driven!

[@ll.4037]

Yeah, yeah ordered one. 🤣

[@thesigmaenigma9102]

@@ll.4037 I got the third to last allocation in the US for a 2022 model. I currently drive a 2018 Performante. I'm not lying!

[@jerone8272]

Now where is my Cheque book for that M5 CS 😅? Great surprise result especially being in front of the GT3 / STO. Great job bringing this years ECOTY event alive.

[@JoeAchilles1]

Brilliant video and comparisons, ECOTY is back 👌👌👌

[@MrMilkalot]

Why is the video brilliant Joe? it's only 1080p. You yourself manage to upload in 4K. Acceptable 10 years ago but I'd expect more from Evo coming into 2022. Cheers all the same.

[@teabagtowers3823]

@@MrMilkalot Oh no its only in 1080P its the end of the world folks. Hahaha get over yourself.

[@Mockle07]

@@MrMilkalot Because of the content, maybe? “It’s only 1080p” is the most irrelevant, ‘first world problems’ comment I have read on KZbin in a while, which is saying something.

[@s1dew1nd3r4]

poor audio...

[@Gerryb92]

Welcome back eCoTY. Welcome back Evo. Last year and the year before, I commented how disappointed I was - and one of your editors replied abruptly stating that eCoTY cost too much time and money to do this type of video. I'm glad that sense has prevailed and we're back to normal. This is the best content in years and you've earned yourself a re-subscription to the magazine from me. Well done and please, keep this eCoTY format up moving forward.

[@doug3011]

The sound of that GT3

[@d4nro]

Is nothing compared to the sound of the STO. 😉

[@napalmhotdog4365]

@@d4nro no. In real life, trust me, the way the flat 6 revs is something else. V10s aren’t quite so spectacular, still superb though

[@d4nro]

I own a Performante Spyder with the same V10, so don't talk to me about "real life".

[@jhrodriguez08]

Two in a row for BMW loved it, the GT3 touring is amazing too

[@michaelco2115]

Dickie is the only person that moves his hands around LESS when being attacked by mosquitoes than when explaining driving down a road 😂

[@richardmeaden9626]

You can't beat a bit of air steering wheel

[@Pezhman101]

So glad to see this video of amazing cars and I could not agree with you anymore as I drove the M5 CS, and was completely speechless! it is going back to original roots of the BMW E39 M5. Wow what a complete car!

[@menger88p]

Let's hope this year the video will not be cut and edited to the point where is unwatchable, mixed talking with too many cuts of all the cars, music and effects to the point of loosing focus in the video.

[@maxmoughal5183]

Fabulous, had me hanging on every word... a return to form for EVO and BMW for that matter, the Porsche is absolutely stunning.

[@oskierox]

ECOTY is back, and exactly the way remember it when it was great. Thank you EVO. Great job. Bring on 2022!

[@oskierox]

Also, gotta admit, i'm shocked how low the SF90 scored. The way you talked about the M3 I thought for sure it would be behind at least that. The GT3 Touring is probably my winner though, that car is stunning.

[@nobiggeridiot]

Thought I spied a Catchapole, the scorecard seems to suggest one was running about. Pity for ECOTY you can't put aside licensing or whatever impediments. Lovely vid, really need to cross the Atlantic to sample some of those roads, absolutely breathtaking ( even if devoid of anything that resembles a tree ). Thanks and cheers.

[@panagiotisathanasopoulos]

Why is not Catchpole at Evo anymore?

[@nobiggeridiot]

@@panagiotisathanasopoulos I believe he is working with the Car__tion people at the moment.

[@deancostello14]

You can read his opinion in the mag though.

[@khanally75]

M5 won evo car of the year because it's the very best m car ever produced. Well done BMW for creating a monster

[@Alby911]

M2 CS last year as well

[@ZawYe]

It's quite amazing that you guys pulled this off. This is one of the best ECOTY I've been following up over a decade. And this time with my favourite winner.

[@ImBarryScottCSS]

I'm not gonna lie my eyes nearly popped out of my head when I saw the price of the M5 😳

[@joebloggs4191]

Watch the values of them soar in the mid term since they are all sold out in the UK. The car has instant classic status!

[@gregc8822]

Brilliant video thank you. To enhance your mantra to “get away from the numbers”, the results would be easier to understand and less bias if Judges individually ranked cars 1st-8th. Ranking the scores changes the results and puts the i20N ahead of the Civic, it would remove the bias of generous judges and prevent so many identical scores…for example, AT gave the same score to his 2nd and 3rd choice cars? It’s a only a small point. Thanks again, I don’t know how you can possibly create such great free content with such minimal advertising.

[@kiwihame]

Awesome format guys, and a VERY worthy winner. The ultimate driving machine is the ultimate driving machine once more. Like a solid B student who just pulled out a perfect mark, take note BMW!

[@fabioribeiro5071]

Lol the ultimate driving machine isn’t even the best of his class. More like BMW pulled a big check for the win, like last year.

[@mjpdrums]

Proper form ECOTY. Brilliant content. What a winner too that M5 looks absolutely fantastic!

[@jajahmal8780]

Although I’d hope to see the M5 in the top 3, I thought there was no way they’ll pick it over the GT3 but to see it come in 1st omg I think I had a lil tear in my eyes. Just Being a fan of the M5 since day one , it’s like routing on a family member!! ❤️ my my my I love that car!

[@carltonsalmon4273]

I’m with you there, Ja Jahmal, the M5 CS is far and away my dream car with the 992 GT3 Touring with a manual ‘box second in my dream garage.

[@jajahmal8780]

@@carltonsalmon4273 sounds like we have very similar taste in cars sir, I already know you’re a good guy lol!!👌🏾

[@carltonsalmon4273]

@@jajahmal8780 likewise my friend.

[@simonsandvik7367]

A nice win for the last good looking BMW.

[@AutomotiveMike]

That view on the bridge is so stunning!

[@mortalwombat473]

This was always my favorite EVO issue of the year, so great to see how you guys have evolved with your content

[@buggerlugz6753]

EVOlved....see what you did there!

[@aviator-kn8zq]

this is a proper British wholesome COTY film. Blown away. Emotion is so key to our future performance vehicles, fingers crossed.

[@MrDealAne]

EVO is back in the game ! Really happy i gave this video a chance, you came back to the good old formula and it's GOOD !

[@paulm3395]

All the people complaining that it's 'only' filmed in 1080p 😂😂😂 I remember watching Evo's GT3/Delecour video in 240p back in the day and being grateful for it! 😁

[@sephiros9883]

I publicly bashed your video last year, but credit where it’s due today, because that ECOTY video is a home run. What an improvement!!!

[@doctorque]

A Lamborghini rated over a Porsche 911 GT3, that’s a first. It took a whole lot of work for Lamborghini to work on that platform since almost a decade but they have achieved what they set ought to. Congratulations Lambo!!

[@manueldietz4270]

I reckon the GT3 will win

[@healychen]

Two in a row for BMW M division. A pleasant surprise and a testament.

[@institutmorningkiss]

Amazing that this is offered free of charge !

[@howardhsiao7917]

return to form for this channel and I love it! it's got ecoty 2013 (the one which jethro talked through whilst driving ig I'm not mistaken) vibes

[@voodoosheep]

Amazing to see BMW M absolutely on fire still!

[@TheHutchRuns]

Best EVO video on any subject in a long time, brilliant cinematography and great to hear the reviewer's thoughts while driving the actual cars, loved the magazine edition and this is a great complement!

[@monhmonhmonhmonh]

Now that's a real ECOTY! Good to see a return to form from the EVO team! Epic photography, awesome cars, awesome audio, great job guys!

[@richboy900]

Ah man, I did want the Lamborghini to win. Probably the last hurrah in the ice era with that n/a 5.2 V10

[@porscherain]

No 4K? Such a fantastic film, shame no 4K

[@mnblaas]

Was thinking exactly the same. All that effort and costs but no proper cameras

[@Peter-Oxley-Modelling-Lab]

I was another who complained after being hugely disappointed by the 2020 ECOTY vid, which was the worst I can remember. This year, as others have said, you have totally turned it around and produced an informative, interesting, visually rich, inspiring & artistic presentation that shows the cars more, from better perspectives and with more insight than you previously did. I really enjoyed it this time, thank you for listening to the readers / viewers. EVO returns to top form once again! Well done. 👏🏻

[@ImLeuff]

Much better than previous few eCOTY video features. If I had to pick a hole in it I'd say it's a bit monochromatic with that brown-ish filter over everything. But other than that, thank you for the video and congratulations.

[@belgeman1]

Wonderful, what a treat. Bought an F10 M5 after its ECOTY showing and enjoyed it on these roads that I’m fortunate to have on my doorstep. As much about having the best car for the roads you drive regularly...I’m sure the M5 CS is a worthy winner. Keep up the fantastic journalism 👌

[@Samson44444]

How did Steve not know that the 992 GT3 has a new double wishbone suspension?

[@PaddyMcQueen]

Says a lot about the final "results"

[@mariodiniz21]

of course he knows, he just didn't state the obvious, it's been talked so much already.

[@e.heckscher1576]

@@mariodiniz21 "I'm not sure why..." the front end feels different than a 991. He doesn't know.

[@mariodiniz21]

@@e.heckscher1576 you really think Steve Sutcliffe doesn't know that the new GT3 has double wishbone front suspension?? 😂

[@e.heckscher1576]

@@mariodiniz21 “I’M NOT SURE” is what he said, so it’s not a matter of what I think. And given that everyone on earth knew about bringing the front suspension over from the Cup car 30 seconds after the launch announcement, I am further amazed that it wasn’t edited out.

[@aasimyousaf2455]

Brilliant video. I'm very glad you gave a shout out to the photography team because they've done an incredible job

[@nigelb4318]

Thoroughly enjoyable, great choice of cars and some exquisite photography aided by Scotlands best. Dare I mention I've not driven a petrol car in 30 years, but my 300+ bhp diesel does me proud :) Thanks for a great video.

[@dbh2765]

Awesome - well EVO and BMW. Watched it without pause beginning to end.

[@Dan-uy1dh]

A well deserved win for M5 CS. We've been hearing from so many car critics how excellent it is.

[@arapaimagold8088]

Finally they pick a car that you can use daily and having fun at track when weekend comes. Although I will place that SF90 over STO or GT3 touring. Ferrari GT cars is incredibly comfortable to drive.

[@aeiouxs]

Superb guys. Shame we couldn't hear from HC aka Mr. Catchpole. Love that Porsche, and the Lambo. Great stuff, thank you!

[@alistairfairweather2500]

This was the best ECOTY for some years and the video matched that. Really well put together and great location. Makes you want to be part of the “gang”. Great job.

[@Forshbr04]

Fantastic work, all. A real return to form for ECOTY.

[@acardosog]

All these are great cars, each one with self personality!! I'm surprised Evo didn't mention the GR Yaris!!

[@dbank6107]

Driving the i20N and got to say really enjoying the car.

[@shobhitsharma6383]

M5 CS will go down in history to be the best sport sedan in the world

[@stevenstrating8838]

Thank you Evo. That was everything I wanted and needed from Ecoty.

[@honguenloh4612]

Absolutely beautiful all in all a great effort and return to form… this the evo we come to love….well done bmw!

[@ilmelangolo]

Scotland + evo + great Cars = TOP!

[@manavmishra9071]

World's best cars with World's best auto journalists..absolutely thrilling.

[@swingawaysmooth]

I’m stunned considering the competition

[@mjnh1234]

Another cracking ECOTY chaps, loved it. 👌👏Boy did you push your luck on the ads in this video though, I reckon they were coming every 3/4 mins☹️

[@Lot76CARS]

Great comparison and utterly brilliant photography, cinematic even.

[@josephradhik]

What a fantastic way to convey how experts perceive and appreciate these machines. The only thing I missed was Henry Catchpole's charisma.

[@ayrtonsenna6750]

Lovely car review, refreshing in these quite sad pandemic days. Glad to see Jehtro back even if not commenting on the 911. I would have appreciated more dynamic views, gt3, STO and M5 CS deserve sideways corner exits !

[@gpb3762]

Gotta be the GT3 Touring for me!

[@adityadewan2802]

Finnally, never stop making this guys,i wait for it every year

[@davidmitchell5638]

I love LOVE these videos! Thank you for making them for free for us ❤

[@tepes141]

Absolutely amazingly summarised! Really appreciate the final result too ✌ Congrats for this masterpiece episode!

[@karimsadredini8875]

Manuals rule like it or not! We all know the Aston was out from the beginning! Yes, my first pick is the M5 CS although it ain't a manual. Spot two goes to the 911 GT3 Touring and last the Civic Type R Limited. As far as we go, the only British car or lets say supercar that will always remain a legend is the McLaren F1 in any spec! Thank you EVO for your insightful video as usual. Looking forward to next year's EVO car of the year 👍🏻cheers

[@HannahsGarage]

Agreed with most others in these comments-quality long form content like ECOTY is leagues better than most of the independent car KZbinrs. Hard to believe that films like these and Chris Harris on Cars are nearly old-fashioned. Well done!

[@myselfandeye3884]

BMW M is a bit of on a roll. The M2 CS was a hit and now the M5 CS. That puts pressure on them to deliver on the M4 CS(L?). BMW could make it 3 in a row next year. Out of these cars I would have that M5 CS and the GT3. I am still not sure what I would rather have the touring or the regular GT3. They are both stunners.

[@tonnichiwa7603]

Next year the GT3 RS would come out, also Panamera Turbo GT which they gun to become the best drivers sedan, it would be a great video for sure.

[@vivalaphill]

28:27 Nice try Guys putting PDK sounds over a manual GT3. Still a great sound thhough!

[@ioannisangelopoulos9004]

Great journalism. I thought I was the only one that observed the beauty of the 992 GT3 Touring, but thank god I’m wrong. Have a nice year guys!

[@lesflynn4455]

"I go a bit weak at the knees when I see the GT3 Touring in this package." Me too Steve. Me too.

[@user-yx4gd9pc7y]

Great video. The M5 CS is 🔥!

[@tiff_biell]

Honestly surprised by the M% CS victory but I totally understand the reasons by what you said about it. Weird to see a mighty Ferrari in last place, but again totally understandable. Great video, guys.

[@Enselladus]

Why the hell has this absolutely beautifully shot video not been published in 4K?

[@vkgiotis]

Excellent, a list of a 8 fast and nimble cars, where there is no fat and cumbersome SUV! This is very rare these days.

[@jeremywinston4447]

Like the M5 CS, your cinematography skill is absolutely epic!!

[@kb9164]

I too get a little weak at the knees looking at the GT3 Touring …. But fair play to the mighty M5

[@bullychris]

Wow… watched this twice in one go - it is that good! Thanks guys.

[@brianfowler2795]

You don’t know why the GT3’s front end feels better!?! Maybe because it FINALLY has double A arms… Would really appreciate a bit more technical commentary here. This is a big change for the 992 GT3 - it’s worth mentioning here.

[@petrolhead229]

Wonderful return to form. Steve, Dickie, Henry and Jethro (also Chris) are the bedrock of youtube motoring journalism in my mind, and this vid proves why! Really nice.

[@ryan_henderson]

Superb video guys, just wow! So great to see everyone together and the cars, the scenery, the videography - just brilliant! Well done and a big THANK YOU 🙏🏻👌🏻

[@marcnobel3938]

That is a surprising result. Didnt expect that outcome.