Evolution of Siege Maps

[@NotRockstarGames]

Kanal is a lil bit glitchy, i had a bug

[@zockermaggus]

Bro are trash but they were fun

[@zockermaggus]

Bun not they would suck to many ops

[@BeckettUrry]

​@@zockermagguswhat are you even saying?

[@Brekwon97]

Old maps just felt more real. More lived in.

[@bossofthisgym2058]

Yeah but gameplay wise plays like hell, and a lot of em was pretty small and narrow.

[@Kaream23]

@@bossofthisgym2058speak for yourself those maps were easily the most fun. I was in platinum during red crow too. So it wasn’t about being bad the maps just played more I testing rounds

[@captainrex4070]

Literally a skill issue ​@@bossofthisgym2058

[@deshawnmarquist]

@@bossofthisgym2058back then the gameplay wasn’t meant to be competitive it was meant to be tactical with heavy emphasis on team play. Now all the maps that have been reworked all have certain ways they’re played that becomes repetitive and boring. I’ll take evolving gameplay over meta gameplay any day.

[@prolific1518]

​@@Kaream23 those maps were shit. Just a bunch of cheese spots to spawn peak and hide.

[@Dr.Mango24]

It’s not just the maps. It’s the music, graphics, lighting, movement etc. They changed everything in the game to look like a mobile game.

[@vuno_1911]

R6 mobile incoming this or next month…

[@bravo98b]

I’ve never really cared about UI in games. But the change in vibe is staggering from that alone. From muted colors and simple schemes to Hulu futuristic vibe.

[@221Prohunter]

@@bravo98b You never realize how important the HUD and other cosmetic parts of a game are until you see it with a worse HUD.

[@xornedge8204]

Its also wayyyyy harder to spot people today because of the weird lighting

[@cordellludlow5365]

@@xornedge8204 yeah that def aint true. i miss the old lighting, but it was very dark and very easy to hide in the shadows especially with certain ops. you could hide in bodies as well which I also miss

[@brecki3152]

Never got why they couldn't of kept the same vibe on their reworks, they feel more souless compared to this and combined with the modern lighting

[@NotRockstarGames]

@@brecki3152 or even just like keep the old maps exclusively for custom games and things like that?

[@FlunkedPunk]

Yeah, I hate that modern lighting, 9 times out of 10, means boring lighting. It's like the devs forget that light in real life has different color depending on what type of light it is; and it can totally change the tone of an environment.

[@foxwithagun2540]

Do semi-breachable walls exist anymore?

[@rednazsky1417]

The only way I found to keep the feeling is have my brightness to 50

[@RKKNNMHKK]

@@NotRockstarGames We should have an "old siege" version on the menu so we can play like in 2015 ; 2016 ; 2017 online. It would be fire!!!

[@mundo00]

doing that hostage mission with glaz on old kanal was so nostalgic, remember being so confused of the map at the time

[@fallendagger.9585]

Damn, i almost forgot situation missions before.

[@sigmaxxiv]

I miss situations :(

[@User3arcq42x]

God all these old themes playing while you roam the old maps makes me feel so old bro, FIVE YEARS AGO THEY REMWORKED HOUSE , 6 years ago was operation chimera and that was probably peak siege ever.

[@NotRockstarGames]

I did a video recently with all of the old themes in one video

[@dontknow6465]

I started playing siege new years 2018 and played until fall of that same year and haven't played since. Crazy how different everything looks from when I played it

[@sven679]

Funny how you need to keep reminding new people "This map used to be in ranked". Every map was in ranked. Without the option to ban. The difference was they were all unique and fun. Now it's just stylized paintball arenas, with unrealistic layouts.

[@EUM_NEMESIS]

Idk if you played back then but at the time you could select the map(s) you wanted to play as well as the objective via the playlist setting in the options. That option later got culled due to queue times and the imbalance of competetivity between objectives and the remaining remnants should now be gone as well.

[@sven679]

@@EUM_NEMESIS Well, map choice didn't really work. Only gamemode choosing worked.

[@tristant9309]

@@EUM_NEMESISmap choice was for thunt

[@EUM_NEMESIS]

@@tristant9309 Not back in Year 2 iirc. Me and my old friends back then always only queued for Coastline back in Velvet Shell.

[@jetsflyingoffatrain4338]

You clearly haven't played paintball

[@bromothymol]

The house and consulate reworks I think are the two worst in the entire game.

[@ashtonjack]

I agree 100%

[@mineaplayerone]

Consulate are the worst, for sure

[@gustavoo.jeronimo4905]

and favela, I hate the new Favela

[@jetsflyingoffatrain4338]

Consulate is one of the best?? Only Chalet beat it out

[@JonJonJonJonJonJonJonJon]

Both shocking. Shocking.

[@ribeye-03]

I just liked how the maps were designed to actually represent a location with no thought on pro league or balance. It made the concept of the game work better as you had to be aware and adapt to your surroundings whether they were good or bad. 😢 miss it

[@beastmodejelly8654]

I swear this is what I have been saying for the longest, Ubi ruining a great game for pro leagues

[@prolific1518]

​@@beastmodejelly8654 pro league is what makes r6 money now. The player base has been dwindling for years and people aren't buying dlc.

[@jesuskistus4575]

Why does "old" siege looks so much better than "new" siege

[@chrissandford1087]

I’m pretty sure a lot of the things were removed to appeal to the more esports side of things. Worse overall graphics= better fps, no weird night shadows, etc. I could be completely off base but I think I heard that somewhere.

[@Dr.Mango24]

@@chrissandford1087pro league killed siege

[@jesuskistus4575]

esports shouldnt have influence at the game cuz it destroys the fun of a normal gamer wich is playing since day one

[@IHIGHxIQ]

That's the whiny baby pro players for ya.. The "PROS".. So you can thank them yä??

[@IHIGHxIQ]

It was way better back then, it was just right and detailed.. Now its not anymore..

[@Star-kp8oc]

Looking at these maps and graphics at that time is the reason why i play this game.. felt so gritty and real

[@NotRockstarGames]

gritty is the perfect word to describe old siege

[@flyingbeast7902]

damn they really massacred this game so bad

[@rolandb.1866]

No they didn't. Ubisoft did a good job. /s

[@Zebrahhh]

They destroyed it for sure

[@lacrimosa6335]

It looks like fortnite now

[@Tea-oc3gh]

ah old Hereford base. First map i ever played on, Fond memories of that map, University was just pure fun, even in T hunt. The bombers always scared me to death when i was younger, Just this breathing, then BEEP BEEP BEEP!, a red light running towards you. Back when siege put more emphasis on the phycological horrors of extraction and specialised operations

[@thepurpleemu]

BRO facts.... the scariest part is when you killed the t hunt bombers, and you heard the huge loud BEEEEEP the milisecond before they were about to explode. scared the crap outta me

[@Hxlyn]

Bro im agreeing with you Old hereford was best New is good too but not as old one

[@andreasgopfert5591]

Old Maps where more realistic in architecture style. They felt like someone really used to live or work there. Combined with enviromental sounds and the old lightning they where just perfect.

[@joaoorban7728]

I dont dislike the chalet rework, but damn, do i miss old chalet

[@mrs3lfd3structx57]

man all the old music throughout this video really brings me back

[@thebyo3011]

I don't see a problem with changing the map, what I hated was that they completely killed the atmosphere that the game had, each map had a different atmosphere, not to mention that playing at night was unique.

[@derkaiser5749]

I want to thank you for bringing me back the feelings of seeing the game which i fell in love with years ago. This gave me tears. Feeling the nostalgic vibe of this game how it was when i enjoyed it the most. Thank you very much!

[@xLeeroycranex]

Old maps were more atmospheric, in general....and nighttime brought out some of their personalities (like, I feel I could spend the night in Christmas Kafe). That said, I think there's a lot of rose tinted nostalgia here. A lot of these old maps just didn't make for good flow and you could easily get stuck if you played it wrong. A good philosophy would be to understand a good map as divided by 3x3 sectors, maybe 3x3x3 if you have three floors. It's why Coastline, Oregon, Bank, Kafe, Chalet are well liked. For future map designs, this needs to be understood so as to create flow but there also needs to be more attention towards atmosphere, too. It makes little sense to have all these cramped and boxed in areas like with the Consulate rework. There should also be room for large chambers and long hallways so that different strategies are needed. I think that would bring back some of the old feelings but without losing the balance of the reworks.

[@ayushmishra7648]

I have been playing siege for 1 and a half years but seeing this makes me wanna play old siege.... Colour texture and lighting looks so good... Now it's so bright I want that rawness and fear element in my siege games.... I don't really want that competitive feel everytime... I want that what old siege had... Ubisoft devs at least get back the night modes for custom and quick matches please.......

[@loremipsum0421]

Old siege was scary AF, the music, the maps, everything made it scarier than any horror movie I've watched, I remember my heartbeat and sweaty hands playing this game back in 2017 and the stress, it was amazing

[@loremipsum0421]

Now it feels like fortnite

[@Prank-_-Patrol]

I love that siege is complex. But man... watching this makes me yearn for simpler maps. Just imagine the buff ops like smoke would get vs nerf Solis would get from being on some of these maps. Or the potential for Intel to be more reaslitic again, eg less visual clarity but less places to flick and look too. More choke points and less endless circles in maps. Phantom pressure is neat, but I love a good utill dump / trade at a choke point.

[@Bogdo_Nik]

this game had so much potential I don't understand what they are doing

[@SgtRyansPrivates]

It’d be amazing if they added pre reworked maps into casual or even ranked lol so you could have the old version and new version which play very differently, but adds more variety and maps

[@brandonbailey3076]

Make a Legacy Game Mode where we have Year 1 operators as they were at the time, with Oregon, House, Hereford, & Favella pre-reworked

[@woa1350]

doubt they will do that, 1 that will take up extra storage space, 2 they would need 2 versions of each operator they add into the mode and 3 it wont bring them any money

[@brandonbailey3076]

@woa1350 True, they'll just continue to recycle content until the game withers away, Ubisoft goes bankrupt, and half of the developers start an OnlyFans just to afford Kraft Mac n Cheese

[@danielrabadan3472]

Bartlett University ended up becoming emerald plains. I remember playing ranked on Bartlett as a teen really miss it as an adult .

[@thepurpleemu]

never got to play on bartlett university in prime siege, but 1v1ing on the ported version of old siege with friends is so fun man....

[@ty5j615]

4:54 emotional damage

[@mikeopcgate7]

Thank you for uploading this and bringing us back the old good memories from day one...time flies by..

[@Bogdo_Nik]

night maps felt so crazy

[@Friscone]

The lights, the hell of a light were really beautiful. The settings were much more realistic and were able to fully immerse you in the game. Ubisoft, you were wrong.

[@BollaBiff]

Reworks were definetly needed. The mistake was removing the old maps all together…

[@Juicylilpp]

all maps should be based at night to make it feel like an actual operation. (especially border)

[@NotRockstarGames]

Bartlett University had this really special vibe to it. It was reworked around Christmas time in Year One. Oh man, what a time to be alive 🥲🥲

[@Bogdo_Nik]

this makes me feel things

[@tommasorodia5728]

Just the fact that back then maps made you actually feel like you where there, the vibes where just so immersive and competitive play felt much better

[@NotRockstarGames]

the vibes were unmatched

[@KapkanHimself]

tbh never I played those oldschool maps instead of old consolate but i definitly can feel the magic inside all of them

[@redsox9561]

I missed when the bodies were just on the floor. 😢😢😢

[@NikoLevi.]

Bruh I tell you I teared up a bit reminiscing... It used to feel like real places.The aesthetics and everything.I hope they bring them back and add it to the selection of maps. It's so beautiful

[@mikeraptorh6888]

Siege now is like cod but without resisting a lot

[@TheARMichJFrog]

Castling everyone in the chalet closet with a tachanka turret set up outside for the enemy was 👌

[@AnttiTolamo]

I agree old Hereford. Lot of memories of that place ! Also old Consulate. Would be nice to play it again

[@Sgt_Spike]

While I agree that visuals used to be better on the old maps, in terms of layout and design I definitely have to disagree that most of the old maps are better. Imo the only maps they absolutely ruined with the rework are House and Consulate. Especially have to disagree with Oregon and Chalet old versions being better. Oregon really didn't change that much as well and pretty much all of the changes were for the better, except the visuals again and changing the Tower bombsite was kind of unnecessary. Old Chalet though just felt unbearable to play with how unbalanced it was. Whilst visuals are nice, and night maps especially, overall gameplay is just more important imo, which is why I think pretty much all the reworks are better. Although I definitely wouldn't mind playing some of the old maps again, maybe in a separate playlist for just old maps.

[@thepurpleemu]

honestly I played a lot of old oregon and from the outside it is similar, but I recently played older versions of siege and it felt COMPLETELY different compared to now. old oregon is WAY more fun, but new oregon is extremely well balanced and competitively good.

[@GrieferGamer]

@@thepurpleemu Oregon used to be my favourite map. Cant say that anymore. In my opinion its way worse, even though it might be more balanced. It just feels boring for some reason

[@dankim7831]

@@thepurpleemuhow do you even play old versions 😮😮

[@captainrex4070]

​@@dankim7831porting old versions just look it up

[@jaters2949]

Fully agreed. Reworks really helped maps like Clubhouse, Oregon, Chalet, Bank, Kanal, and Border... But some of the reworks like Consulate, House, or Hereford they have just ruined. I think to balance a lot of maps they just add an obscene number of rooms (Consulate rework, Lair, Labs) but it's such a lazy way to balance attack/defense. They all immediately become un-intuitive because the layout is so unrealistic and boring. People have the most fun on unique sites like basement of old House, Trophy of old Chalet, or anything on Plane and most maps lack that bit of chaos which made original siege so great. All that said, many people are very blinded by nostalgia if you think *all* reworks are worse.

[@aduckonquak2139]

I feel like half these reworks were to just remove unique textures and sounds

[@gr2xx]

You’re not even wrong. Completely removing textures for a map that isn’t played saves on memory. Reworks reuse a lot of assets because Ubisoft wanted a 50Gb download for some reason

[@feetaymax273]

I started playing siege on Christmas 2017 and I loved the old lighting even tho it was so hard to see enemies in dark places

[@braxtonvestal777]

Old map layouts felt real and made sense.

[@ericbadly]

bro old oregon is so trippy since im so used to the new one

[@vxrniy]

I still go back and play old siege just to have fun on T-Hunt

[@kostasmira2933]

How?

[@smurf2274]

@@kostasmira2933 Search for operarion throwback, you can basically play every season but for me it‘s too sketchy

[@smurf2274]

@@kostasmira2933 Search for operarion throwback, you can basically play every season but for me it‘s too sketchy

[@2kisdepressing31]

​@@kostasmira2933 pc mod

[@markmagness3693]

@@kostasmira2933if you’re on pc, their is a discord community for old siege and how to download it

[@dylanlahman5967]

They need go add these maps to the normal playlist. I get what they did for ranked... But this could easily be fine in norms 💯

[@daltonnoyes9145]

i miss them so much i miss all of them

[@HoodedBaka]

Damn. What a nostalgia trip.

[@S8BB]

Wow, this makes me miss the good ole days. These maps were so much more fun and nostalgic. I agree with everyone saying they felt real unlike today’s maps.

[@landasarus5745]

I started playing in Solar Raid, today I was curious and decided to check out old siege. This video gave me a feeling of nostalgia for something ive never experienced, truly Ubisoft has butchered siege. Love the content btw

[@NotRockstarGames]

That’s interesting. I think the background music I’m using has a big part in the nostalgia too. I’m using old Themes from really early versions of siege. Check out my recent “menu theme” video and you’ll see what I’m talking about. 👍

[@landasarus5745]

@@NotRockstarGames I'm actually watching it rn, it's just a breath of fresh air to see and hear what my favorite game was like back in year 1, it's older seasons had maps and music that really makes it feel like a game that was built with care and genuine love for it. I wish it would come back.

[@xabirodriguezzz]

old kafe is something else man

[@iguess4512]

The one I miss the most is old Theme Park. Had alot of charm. Second place goes to house though.

[@gDiniM]

Chalet was such a good map. Watching this video is giving me a stroke because I just started playing again after a few years and I did not realize how much changed in the reworks 😭

[@DojiDolo]

You never know how much you miss something until it's gone

[@ThePvpFanatic]

Thank you for this video :) brought back memories!! Golden days of Siege 2015 beta to 2016 😢

[@koltonhays]

complain enough that they bring them back in casual and customs atleast

[@NotRockstarGames]

thats the plan, lol

[@highofftap7073]

Chalet night, iconic. I stopped playing around when outback came out and just got back in, and its still fun but the atmosphere of old maps cannot compare. I feel like old siege more fun because it wasn't about optimized strategies or pro league. It was a hardcore battle of wits that was fun to play around in, even if you were bad

[@lamar2209]

The memories i have with these maps….Good old times with the boys

[@quiroga9774]

old house, favela, bartlett and hereford were pure fun, sometimes you need a chaotic map in your game... everything doesnt need to be proleague and competitive focused... we still got the plane :))

[@Krato3]

Even the music was better back then.

[@wurstgesicht1559]

This feels like coming back to a childhood place

[@jameslong7749]

the vibes of these old maps 😢

[@CURFV]

was a fan of siege back in the days but i just got to finally play it in year 9 and i was literally confused like wtf happen, it look so different and for the worse

[@omnigul44]

That tilted ship on canal was good to watch

[@Zz-sium-zZ]

Lower luminosity pls (Btw beautiful video❤)

[@acethetiger7905]

Old maps had so much style and details, it actually feels like an attack stopped in time. Rather nowadays it's just like 3 pieces of furniture in a room

[@josephkenny5350]

I remember i tot this game in 2015 for PS4. Was so epic to play something so well made. It was such a dfifferent game.... Maps were so intense, peoole really sweated and worked hard together, the game took itself seriously too

[@Dr.Mango24]

It’s like new siege was ment to be old siege and vice versa. Then it would actually be an upgrade.

[@reyvander2120]

Man, I miss the old siege

[@nathanjacob0459]

The Oregon rework is what killed me. Not that it’s bad now, in fact most of the reworks are still pretty good save for House and kinda maybe Hereford base. But I miss all of them

[@bestmaplechamp8487]

awesome vid man!

[@usmaniqbal1322]

Ahh man now youve made me cry for real I never cry but aftet all those years of playing siege This video has made me cry

[@foxwithagun2540]

Has anyone pointed out that ever new siege map HAS to resemble a square when you are looking down onto the map? I think it has to do with how small hallways had an effect on the match... every building is too squarical now, Favella was more long than it was wide, which helped set it apart from other maps, along with its fouus on vertical exterior combat. Maps like that are what set siege apart, by utilizing the rappel mechanic and the destruction physics, which you almost never see in games today. The maps today are lacking in destructibility, all to focus on one set way to play the game: competitive. The maps just arent creative anymore, along with the soundtrack and dark/gritty lighting. :(

[@prolific1518]

The maps have been redesigned specifically to add verticality and destruction being important. What you're witnessing is the playerbase has dumbed down the gameplay to the point of a run n gun shooter. Pro play still has the tactical elements.

[@nickxyn2939]

It Would Be Better If They Return The Old "TerroristHunt" Mode

[@BOH-h5e]

This video made me want to cry

[@cloakernoises7354]

Holy cow so many of these maps were literally just at night and now they're at day.

[@brzesiooooo]

And that music vibe changed with each season with 2 new ops.

[@pascal8180]

Last year i quit siege because of all the reworks i really tried to get used to the maps but never had the same fun. The nightmaps were great. I hate does new unrealistic maps

[@chriskeravich4077]

Night maps just added such a vibe to the levels. Especially for House and coastline. I know why they removed it for rank but why not leave it for casual? Or even custom games?

[@disbeatgaming7178]

man i miss seeing these maps. i hope they do come back ill be all over that game mode and might start playing again.

[@roomy4]

for as bad as tower is the outside on a night map is genuinely beautiful

[@Pao234_]

New siege is just *too* balanced. It feels artificial, sporty. But it takes away so much from the raw sensation it used to give players. You really did feel like you were part of a SPECOPS team raiding an enemy compound. I used to love that.

[@cgk1276]

Careful don’t let certain KZbinrs catch you saying this…

[@alzcoi-fish4011]

Wait these maps are so alive and filled with horror please bring them back

[@FuseVr]

why is the game so much more realistic back then

[@William_Verdun]

Upstairs Kanal legit gave me goosebumps

[@aztecaura]

I joined year 9, but these look wayyy better🔥

[@erickolarez3091]

I got hit with so much nostalgia, I miss when this game was actually enjoyable.

[@sarcrazy530]

I started playing right after Bartlett got removed. I imagine it had to do with the parkland school shooting, and they decided it wasn’t great optics to have a school map

[@destrodevil6975]

Then: Play games for fun Now: Play games for job

[@funnyoreo]

Man back in the days when Siege was a "realistic but casual" game... all that nostalgia.. Siege 6 years ago was a complete different game than now

[@DjSlanksford]

Old Hereford was where I got my first ace, so sad it's gone :(

[@thijsvandenbroek9097]

The old music man

[@NotRockstarGames]

recently i did a video about the music and menu screens

[@beastmodejelly8654]

Old Oregon, House, Base, Kanal, Outback, Kafe, and i miss Barlett. Damn u ubisoft

[@achilleasdimitriosagaklees6219]

Hi there Siege agents.. what I nice video, brings me back to 2015-16 so much sun and laugh, today is toxic not fun anymore. But I have to give big credits for this video. You add the music theme of each season too. Well done for your job from a old man 😂

[@foxwithagun2540]

The old lighting :( That was the best part of this game

[@Uhsparko]

All remakes broke the game 😢

[@NotRockstarGames]

broke?

[@sva9629]

11:33 The Karaoke room used to looked like a karaoke room. The rework made it like it was made for eSport.