Testing CSF Charge Coolers for the F10 M5/F13 M6

After the impressive result of the CSF Intercooler for the F87 M2 we were keen to see how big of a difference the CSF Charge Coolers for the F10 M5/F13 M6 could be.
When tuning these cars the standard charge coolers start to struggle with keeping the Air Inlet Temperature down, meaning the ECU will start to pull Ignition Timing, and not making full power. This can be quite a big problem especially in hotter climates.
The CSF coolers are a full metal design, with cast end tanks and having been designed to maximise volume by utilising 3D Scanning and CFD to optimise flow. They also feature ports for an injection system such as Water/Methanol.
In our testing they performed exceptionally well, with IAT temperatures 14c better than stock, but in hotter ambient conditions, meaning in identical conditions they should perform even better than our testing.
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[@MondaysareStunning]

Very good video. Keep up with that great content!

[@EvolveAutomotive]

Thanks! We will do.

[@thoththeatlantean]

Thanks for this video!

[@01AudioVideo01]

Man I like your videos. No fake funny jokes, no filler. Just useful info. Do you think the CSF Charge Coolers would allow the engine to make more power by themselves?

[@EvolveAutomotive]

Thanks, we try to keep it simple and down to earth! In our testing we didn’t find that the coolers made any more power, just sustained the full power for longer under tougher conditions.

[@kylerumsey8942]

Great video! I'd love to see a cheap vs expensive. Like CSF INTERCOOLER vs PHOENIX RACING F10 m5 intercooler maybe???

[@sheharyarirfan]

Good vid, need MOAR... test F8x CSF coolers as well please

[@sheharyarirfan]

and if possible do vbox too

[@EvolveAutomotive]

We have the kit ready to fit so that will be filmed soon 😁

[@hayesjames11]

Great info. Just added CSF to f10-M. Is the boost level in the data related to the revs?

[@09BIJAN09]

Unrelated to the video, but you are very knowledgeable about all cars. Do you know if there is a difference between vpower diesel and regular diesel. And which one would you recommend? (Performance diesel - s4, sq5)

[@mhperformace1769]

awesome 👍 very nice

[@EvolveAutomotive]

Cheers 🙌

[@jamest5149]

Great work. JB4 is useful for logging and fine tuning. Really good to see parts coming to market for the S64tu and getting tested by a company as thorougher Evolve. CSF intercoolers look like a good mod for those who don't want methanol injection or a good additional safety net at high boost over and above the good safety protocols in the JB4.

[@michaelelliot6323]

Mad car

[@EvolveAutomotive]

Full video on this car coming 👌

[@sashidemedia]

how does the eventuri compare to the gruppe M cf air intake, in your opinion?

[@EvolveAutomotive]

It's impossible for us to be unbiased in this, but the Eventuri is far superior to the Gruppe M intake.

[@Mando_i]

Do you think I can fit these on a bmw 2014 N63tu?

[@StrikeEngine]

Do we have any before-and-after data on the the water temperatures pre and post chargecooler?

[@EvolveAutomotive]

That's not something we logged. What's your thinking behind comparing them?

[@StrikeEngine]

Hi. The inlet water temps dictate the cooling. Could the temps have been different between the tests?

[@EvolveAutomotive]

The coolant temperature is controlled by the thermostat, so unless the ambient temperature is incredibly high to the point where the radiator is failing to cool the coolant it should be very consistent. Having looked again at the JB4 logs I believe the coolant stayed within 1c of each other for both tests, both hovering around 88c.

[@chrisg4rr377]

Was there a before and after dyno to see what difference the temp and boost drop did?

[@EvolveAutomotive]

We only did on-road testing for this. We don't normally expect a cooler to make more power unless it's replacing something very restrictive, but be able to keep temps down and maintain a power figure for longer as the car becomes heat soaked.

[@sugershakify]

@@EvolveAutomotive Dont understand this comment. Lower temps = dense air charge = more power. Bigger chargercooler = less restriction = more cfm per psi of backpressure before wastegate opens = way more power. Would have loved to see before and after dyno, I bet the car picked up 20rwhp. 2 degrees over ambient at 20psi is nuts.

[@surreaLinnovatioN]

@@sugershakify But he also said it dropped a PSI, so it's a wash. The main benefit is consistent power without heat soak

[@sugershakify]

@@surreaLinnovatioN it should drop a psi. Remember psi is NOT a measure of power or air flow. It is a measure of back pressure. If you improve flow efficiency through the system you will make more power with less back pressure and hence will see a decrease in psi. Heat soak is derived from how well the heat exchanger in the bumper can shed the heat being picked up by the bigger charge air cooler. A bigger charge air cooler wont help with heat soak unless the heat exchanger in the bumper was increased in size as well. Misunderstanding what's going on here with heat being removed and why psi drops with a higher flowing charge cooler.

[@frederickhalljr8947]

Yes I was going to ask do they have bigger in tanks for the 2012 x5m and basically for cooling because I have a tune on it and it's 700 horsepower but I need to get rid of the heatsink if you do or are you know anywhere I can get those devices please get back to me as soon as possible thank you Imron

[@EvolveAutomotive]

Unfortunately the F10/F13 coolers don't fit, and it's not that big of a market for many companies to offer it. CSF don't make a charge cooler for the X5/X6M.

[@frederickhalljr8947]

Evolve Automotive Thanks

[@HEKTIC458]

Did he say crinkle cut, like chips?

[@EvolveAutomotive]

No comment 😶

[@DinoAungpe]

Can you recommend any shops near me Im in NY USA

[@EvolveAutomotive]

Autocoture and Mchanics are both good

[@blakedouglas6951]

Hi I am looking to buy this exact car. The owner is claiming that you have tuned the car to 830bhp, is this correct?

[@JohnMartin22222]

Blake Douglas why on Earth put that here? I hope you saw sense and picked up the phone.

[@DinoAungpe]

if you added this to a M6 with tune and downpipe what can hp I expect from intercoolers

[@EvolveAutomotive]

The car in the video has both of those already. Any potential HP gain would vary depending on ambient conditions. The big gain with these coolers is the consistency of the low IATs, meaning the car does not pull timing as quickly.

[@DinoAungpe]

@@EvolveAutomotive excellent explanation thanks

[@jchongling]

Will these fit the E70 X5M?

[@EvolveAutomotive]

They will not sadly.

[@jchongling]

Evolve Automotive oh man ok that’s unfortunate. Would you guys/Evolve be making any for X5M or maybe I can get elsewhere?

[@EvolveAutomotive]

That market is very limited so I doubt if anyone will to be honest.

[@jchongling]

okay. Thanks a million

[@frederickhalljr8947]

Bkfinest I don't think so there's no market for them

[@q8kamikaze]

Stock Turbos??

[@EvolveAutomotive]

Yes

[@tonyross5829]

q8kamikaze you fart while you sit in your car you’ll have a hybrid turbo

[@q8kamikaze]

Tony Ross Should i suppose to laugh?

[@tonyross5829]

q8kamikaze 😩 little laugh I wanted 😂😩