Evony TKR: Boss Mechanics “How to Boss like a Boss”

[@mrsethdarcy]

Hi. Great video. Have some other info on sending ranged. which we have tested and do. If the rally runner is attacking a boss that they can not one hit. sending T12 or t13 ranged, (I send 500-600k) helps reduce the wounded ! in my testing often it was half the wounded with ranged included. and if you send 1 ground with no general to a long distance rally, it teleports back to the hospital and you don't have to march home. :)

[@eminent_junkie]

Damn, I’ve heard that before about sending a Solo Archer. I saw it in a video, and I also read it in an article a while back when I was learning the game. Actually, according to the article I read, the explanation was that Boss Mechanics are different, Distance was claimed to have no effect, and the claim was that Archers basically did nothing until the Ground/Mount were disabled. So, basically, they went to spectate unless the Mount/Ground got disabled, in which case it was alleged they would then engage.

[@JWevony]

I’m telling you. Sandbox it. Hit a stympalian bird. Just happened to me the other day.

[@eminent_junkie]

@@JWevony I’m not saying you’re wrong, I’m simply saying that I do remember someone actually providing a theory regarding the mechanics. Another reason folks tend to send archers is because you don’t get a wounded troop back. I think that lead folks to presume that it meant the Archers never engaged in the battle, therefore, one would be led to believe they have no effect on the Rally Setter. And yeah, it’s tough to deprogram a habit you repeat innumerable times over the course of however long one has been playing this game…

[@sirpookie562]

I agree because I used JW method and joined rally with ground troop and everytime it was wounded 😮 but when I sent archer to join rally against same monster... no injured 😊. Maybe it's different for K33 and whatever K number JW is 🤷🏾‍♂️

[@TheGoodgulf]

@@sirpookie562 Its basically the attack order on monsters. Ground->Mount->Range. When Range enter combat, well, mounted have suffered 10% wounds and left the battle. Doing Pyramid/Sphinx? Send 1 ground without general to avoid march back. Otherwise Ranged. Siege is a bit 50-50% as sometimes it messes the battle mechanic and mounts take wounds. I would guess its the normal PvP battle-mechanic with several variables changed on monsters.

[@moreiraperes8404]

Awesome video, super informative, great thanks from Solus server 950

[@cheapdrunk8531]

Theodora has skill + luck book + specialty. She is the best for double drops

[@JWevony]

Agreed

[@theboweryking]

Hi all. Love this video. i primarily play just to boss hunt. Notes from video/personal experience. 1. Test if t1 ground, range or t1 mounted joining the boss rally works best for your boss rally leader. 2. Early game can have Sanada(boss debuffs) + Greene(stamina management). 3. Developed game, where the rally leader is no longer getting wounded swap out Sanada for Baibars. Here you can add speed books to keep up with the rally leaders march speed. also cultivate leadership for more march speed, academy march speed science and march speed gear. Evony is a game of upgrading, progress and transitions so be ready for it. 4. test, test and retest. Like mr Wick said. As time pass the alliance will move from early game, developed game to end game. its about constantly learning and progress. 5. Yessss...kick those that are not willing to learn. these guys are the server members that cause wounded, bubble drop in KE and gather in svs. I would not wait for the 13th time...after 5th message about the same bad behavior, the player is just not willing to learn. 6. Avoid Huo Qubing, Spartacus and Seleucus. use them in early game but do not develop them. Speed will develop in due time. for rally joiners its best to have double drop + stamina management. 7. Early game rally leaders will get wounded. the advice is to help reduce the wounded as much as possible. On a personal note. I was not able to get Theodora. I wish that she was in the first purchase pack at the time i started playing. But i did get Aetheflead, the second best double drop boss hunter in the game. I do not like Caeser-dragons should be for pvp. Putting a dragon on him is a waste of time because you need to wait 1hr to swap. Having 10 sanada as mayors is a great help for solo boss hunting on an enemies server.

[@JWevony]

Love all this, and yes, 10 sanada is max (boss debuff also maxes at 50pct). Also have cortes (also a purple gen) with boss debuffs too!

[@theboweryking]

@@JWevony 50%...of HP, Def and attack? tested?

[@theboweryking]

@@JWevony Sanada is the better pick for the following. 1. John Buford has no debuff in his gold book. Has only debuff at special1 2. Hernando Cortes only has one debuff in his gold book. No debuff in specials. 3. Sanada has debuff in both gold book and special. i can do the special for 10 sanada. have 3 subs with two of my boss hunters and 4 with the 3rd. Running 3 big boss attacks at once. Use the other 3 marches for smaller bosses. If you look at the world boss info...defense and attack is the debuffs it mentions. I hope other monsters are the same where sanada debuff for defense/attack apply.

[@JWevony]

Yes. Stops stacking at 50pct

[@ButterPeach510]

I also have all six of my monster generals set on favorites for easy selection.

[@JaeRoberge-ed6sv]

Mechanics in Maya are different from regular bosses. Range matters there. If you want to truly sandbox this theory, run the rally with enough archers to win the battle. Join with mounted. If the mounted take damage, then the attack range does not matter. If the mounted take no damage, then attack range does matter. I've been running my own sandboxed experiments for over a year, what I found is everything starts at a range of 0 vs bosses. First attack is ground/siege. One tier at a time from the bottom up. The boss counters those attacks vs the attacking troops, but not the troops that did not attack. Second attack is with mounted and siege. Bottom tier to top. Then the counter. Third attack is archers and siege, bottom tier to top. This is why siege will always take damage even though it's "not in range" when it joins a rally. Range and speed are not traits that matter vs bosses. The only time I've taken damage when I shouldn't have vs a boss was when someone sent a full March by accident. Also, bosses have a sliding scale to them. They aren't all equal. Like barbs, the same powered boss may have different amounts of skill points to them that aren't accounted for. I like your videos, but I found this one to be using pvp and Maya mechanics and not boss mechanics

[@JWevony]

Appreciate the input/feedback. When i get the time will try to devise how to sandbox the above-but here’s my thing-the archers thing seems to have a lot of people really Ruffled-so i’m going to post a new vid of me sandboxing this soon.

[@didi7948]

I agree with him, the battle mechanics with bosses are different. The battle with bosses starts at 0 range. The first who will go into the battle are ground troops and siege. After they will be clear , the Cavs enter and the last type of troops are the archers. So if you are the rally setter and you send all Cavs and I am the joiner and I send 1 troops T14 archer, my 1 troop archer will come back because he will not engage in the fight this is regardless of your tier Cavs that you sent. That's why early in the game we tell the small players to join with 1 troop ground without the general because he will die first so they don't need to wait for their general to come back and can join another rally right away. In the other scenario when you are the rally setter and you send archers and I am the joiner with 1 troop cav, I will be wounded always and you not, obviously if you can kill the monster in one shoot. Because my Cavs go first and your archers go after my Cavs will die. If we both send Cavs, and you send T13 and I join with T14 my Cavs will be safe if you don't get wounded, because the boss will hit first the highest tier of the rally setter and if he has wounded will counter attack the others Cavs from the joiners, otherwise if the rally setter will have no wounded neither the joiner with Cavs will have any wounded. So I don't think you get wounded because someone else joins with archers, maybe when you kill it before some players join with Sanada or other debuffing general and when you get wounded they don't. Or your buffs were different or the monarch talent or something else but not because they join with archers. That's my point of view of course after many experiments in the game. Please feel free to make all the experiments and let us know how it goes. For experiment purposes you can ask 4 members to help you , set the 4 rallies and ask them to join with different types of troops you will see nothing will change if they send the same generals but only the type of troops are different, and you have the same buffs applied ecc. Anyway you are so great at explaining PVP battle mechanics that I watched all your videos over and over again and I learned so much for that I want to thank you 🤗 Keep up the good work I cannot wait to see your next video ❤

[@seanchedgy1912]

The intrinsic value comes into play here. IF you send a ranged, with NO range increase skill book, and a mount rally WITH a mount speed skill book mount can beat the "Range". From what I've seen atleast. Haven't seen any extra wounded sending 1 ranged lately.

[@BubbleMaster-e2r]

Debuff generals are also super important! 5 or 6 people joining a rally with a Sanada and for pieces of dragon gear can significantly drop your wounded, in some cases zero your wounded. If your getting wounded with these new larger bosses, give it a shot. We have been doing this with great success.

[@JWevony]

Yes, i believe discussed in another comment-remember though max boss debuff is 50%, so you want to arrange with your alliance 10 each, instead of 19 of one and 1 of another

[@DeathAngel1387]

I love you video thank you for posting

[@manhhung3899]

Haha I love the drawings!!!

[@DumbfoundedMadman]

We have our alliance send T1 archers and they don't affect the outcome. However, if they send ground, it affects the outcome and we get more wounded. This has been tested many times. On bosses where the runner barely kills without wounded, the runner gets wounded with ground and none with T1 ranged.

[@JWevony]

What is the runner sending?do you mind sending me reports?

[@wherethetatosat]

Yeah, I just tested it and you're correct. I rallied a weak boss I've been able to kill for months. Asked my alliance to send a ranged unit. Like JW said though, herding cats and 7 people joined but only 2 sent ranged. My mounted killed it without wounded.

[@Paulenski]

For monster spawns, with the use of scouting sites, the rss map doesnt really match up. Closer to throne doesnt increase monster difficulty level, its seems very random. Viewing only high tier monsters you tend to find them scattered more away from throne, not near throne. My experience has been with up to b15/16 and similar sized event monsters.

[@ButterPeach510]

I always join with 1 ground and a double-drop general. Mainly because ground is at the top of my troop list.🤭 But, once again, you’ve broken down the mechanics for me with your fabulous stick-figure drawings and I feel like I have a one-up on some of the evonerds on our server. Thanks, JW.

[@kimberlyr6258]

Not sure if something changed but I’ve tested this myself with my alt and now I do it all the time. When I send a full march of archers to the rally, (rally starter sends full mounted march) my wounded goes down significantly. I’m talking more than half. 22k down to 6k

[@JWevony]

This DEF changed…a lot of these things have changed and then changed again. Recent mechanics major change in pvp and boss mechanics about 6 months ago…

[@_cj.]

This video is 7 months old so I'm sure there are things you said in it that now you probably disagree with or got more proof for it, so an update on some older videos would be nice whenever you discover something new. Mostly from this video I want to ask about the range troops part and speed books. As someone who run big monsters all time things like speed book on joiners (I don't have one myself) or people with t1 archers never resulted in more or less wounded or caused 0 wounded to be wounded.

[@JWevony]

Thats funny you mention that, i was debating on whether to REDO my old vids, to accommodate the changes in the game and deeper understanding, lol. In particular i wanted to update extrinsics/mechanics.

[@trptkrazed]

@JWevony You forgot to add that Theo can take the luck book as well so between her native book (10%), her second spec(15%), Lvl 4 Luck Book(18%)and a Fearless King ring (24%), she can potentially give you an extra 62% double drop rate making her the top double drop. That's not adding what ever you VIP level is.

[@JWevony]

Yes! Thank you for pointing this out!

[@SolidSnake1]

and adding the spiritual beast bird gives 14% double drop too

[@JWevony]

Yes, assuming you saw its on my aethelflaed! But thanks for pointing it out!

[@theboweryking]

Note....Evony has underestimated the value players put into alts and if they can not have them the game will die as players quit. Players want to invest cash into buffs not rss packs.

[@JWevony]

💯 %

[@legion2440]

could be all servers different, and I'll do new tests, but 1131 joiners sending archers makes less wounded, and sending ground makes more wounded. Other alliance also proved me with their tests

[@adelsheykhi7252]

Appreciate the valuable info, sorry but I couldn’t catch the name of the other person you mentioned with Derrick, would you please share his channel link? Im really interested to learn more about this game, thank you so much

[@JWevony]

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[@davem66]

Slightly disagree with the archer stuff. We send archers a lot for rallies. I'm main rally runner and I never receive wounded on monsters I get zero with. Do agree though that if you are hitting monsters that give you wounded, that it might end up increasing bounded if they send archers.

[@JWevony]

Do me a favor-hit a stympalian bird with an archer in rally, then without. You wont take wounded hitting a jr cerb. Thats not what i’m saying. But for instance i hadnt taken wounded on a jorgamundr for ages. All of a sudden-1500 wounded. It was the archer

[@davem66]

@@JWevony I did it on the Y6 after watching your video. 1st rally people only joined with range, 2nd only ground. My march and buffs were identical and I had same wounded.

[@davem66]

The amount of people I had to kick from those rallies cause they didn't listen 🤦

[@davem66]

@@JWevony not picking holes in your vids btw. Really enjoy your stuff. Especially your art 🤪

[@fwiffo1376]

What bosses are actually worth the stamina cost (or opportunity cost vs gathering)? Obvious Ymirs/Vikings/Cerbs are worth it. But imo the regular and other boss monster rewards are really underwhelming, especially once you have all the scrolls that you need. Evony said they were going to increase rewards, but I guess that idea got ko'ed by the bean counters in their team.

[@JWevony]

My teammate Emperor Youj/ aka youj ying did a spreadsheet on stamina cost to rss produced. I didnt include it bc i didnt include it bc i didnt want to take credit for his work. Reach out and ask him on discord. Am sure he will share if asked

[@BuckeyeNut123]

Map is (I believe) in 3D Skew view.

[@JWevony]

Yeah, but consider this: pull up the map-as in the world one. The distance between the throne and the temple is the SAME as the distance as the temple to the corner of the map! Dont believe me? Teleport to the throne. Check distance to temple. Now port to corner of map, and check distance to temple!

[@BuckeyeNut123]

@@JWevony totally agree. I did a bird's eye view of our server due to... perceived distance poaching.... and was able to replicate the skewed view in Excel. Definitely nasty.

[@GTIFabric]

Please fix typo @10:09

[@-SeanyBoy-]

so, i was watching one of the Mounted Boss rallies, noticed there were a few archers in the mix, saw the battle reports & there were no wounded? i thought you said that archers would trigger the boss to attack the rally setter 1st? if that was the case, wouldnt there be wounded no matter what?

[@JWevony]

No. If the boss isnt strong enough it wont cause any wounded. For instance it wont happen w a yasha. I’m talking typhon and up

[@trptkrazed]

@JWevony, how are you doing with these new bosses and vikings?

[@JWevony]

With wounded, even w t15 🤦🏻‍♂️

[@trptkrazed]

@@JWevony that sucks. It would appeared that the devs are pushing all you big fellas to k45 w t16 troops, haha. I'm completely fine staying at k36 for now.

[@unclerawn4017]

i like the courageous dragon ring for all my baibars

[@lanenecarmickel4019]

I’m k33 and I’m killing b15s with 5k wounded I use Aeth and Hannibal as assistant

[@ButterPeach510]

I love how evony is forcing our bigger players to build t15 and 16 with the introduction of b18,19, y6, s7, etc. They're just starting to triple-fist the y5 and here comes the ego deflater.

[@JWevony]

All that will happen is people will quit. I am not going k45. Will just delete the game before then

[@DogeDogeMrDoge]

We send 1 t1 archer in the rally, so should we send 1 t1 ground instead of highest tier ground?

[@JWevony]

Thats what i do

[@Ebilpuyan]

Afaik archers don't join boss battle fight unless all melee are wounded so archers will never hit boss before cavs we join rally with archers all the time.

[@dennisrodriguez3689]

Yup.

[@JWevony]

My info is based on sandboxing. Hitting the heaviest bosses with archer and without. We legit tested this. Please-do the sandboxing. Look up “hot hand fallacy”. Trust me on this-we sandboxed the f*ck outta this

[@SolidSnake1]

Number 5: gear on Assist gens doesnt work , specs do work though

[@JWevony]

Yes, we discussed in another video. Assumed people knew this-didnt feel this needs to be retread

[@ButterPeach510]

Niether do stars or cultivating. It’s funny I had to tell a few of the bigger players that.

[@ButterPeach510]

That being said, perhaps it does need to be revisited.😂😂😂

[@josephfitzgard6277]

I think you made an error an not understood the reason for sending 1 archer. Your test might had been with high tier archer. Try your test again letting those who join with T1 archer. The advantage is that if the rally runner is expecting to get wounded those who join have a better chance of surviving if using archers. I'm disappointed with the video because I was expecting other information. Why is it when I attack a boss monster level 2 like Cerberus even if I have much more power than the power required I get a lot wounded in the 10's of thousands. Yet if it is level I can defeat the monster without wounded with half the power required. Level 1 requires 60 million and I can with 30 million power.

[@JWevony]

Because i forgot to mention one more point-NEVER EVER send more than 1 tier of troops! Otherwise mechanics change to turn based and you’ll take wounded

[@josephfitzgard6277]

@@JWevony doesn't make sense. My march to C1 and C2 are only T14. C1 T14 cavaliers 523,000 65 million power C2 T14 cavaliers max march with power level that exceeds power required but I get wounded. Other players tell me it's because I have a weak general who has 5.7 million power with 3 civilization gear. The general is Gauis and assistant is Electra with 4.7 million power. At the end of the day, the game sucks. It is a game of suppression. It doesn't want you to play. It is a casino where the house always wins. It gives you small wins to encourage you to try harder to try again and higher levels. I can defeat C2 but have 10's of wounded (can't remember). It's enough that I run out of resources and heal up speed ups that it stops me from continuing to play. F this game.