EVs have cost the Motor Trade £4 Billion this Year Alone, Yep £4,000,000,000

[@BarrieCrampton]

EVs subsidised by £4,000,000,000 4 Billion, 4 Thousand Million, £11,823 34 for every EV sold! With the 4 Billion Pounds that they have lost, they could planted enough trees in the UK to offset a Ford Mustang 5 Litre Bullitt doing Five Hundred and Sixteen Billion, Five Hundred and Fifty-Five Million miles Globally for 4 Billion Pounds, enough trees could be planted to offset a Ford Mustang 5 Litre doing One Trillion, Seventy-Two Billion, Nine Hundred and Thirty-Two Million, Five Hundred and Ninety-Three Thousand, and Ten miles (I think) Like I've said before, I'm no Rocket Surgeon 1,000,000 Miles in the Bullitt = 477.96 tonnes of CO2e Planting trees in UK to offset in UK £ 7743.60 incl. 20% VAT to offset 478 tonnes Planting trees Globally £ 3728.10 incl. 20% VAT Happy to correct if I've accidentally EV shilled the figures

[@primafacie6442]

Likely more than that in NZ, discounts of 2000km preregistration cars is $25k-$65k NZD depending on the brand….ID4 to ETRON. Yet MG, GWM and especially BYD are selling strongly.

[@WeAreAllDoomed-n5i]

This morning, 22K households in Wales cannot boil a kettle, let alone charge an EV!

[@taptaptapuk]

@WeAreAllDoomed-n5i good point

[@angleseyandy9110]

Yeah but they'll all be saying it won't happen when we're all in EVs because of the sunlit uplands and lovely calm weather will follow the end of diesel and petrol so "the greater good" bs. We know the story, same as the jabby " do it for granny" stuff. Spun the same way. Unicorns will clearly be the meat of the future for these ev shills

[@dodgerboe]

Welcome to the New Normal.... Soon you'll be Rationed so get the Torches Charged And the Candles Stacked !

[@Devondogsclub]

We are poorly pensioners & I will not be bullied or controlled by anybody but especially these snake eyed politicians! We live in an old stone cottage that is warm & weatherproof, I have an old diesel Transit mk7 that can run on cooking oil if needed, a calor gas hob with 2 huge full calor gas cylinders, 2 log stoves with a shed full of wood & near the beach for driftwood & near a friends private wood, got 10 rechargeable lanterns, a nighthawk mobile wifi, Bluetti & Evoflow power banks & solar panels, large electric cool box, an outside stone log oven & huge gas bbq & a fire pit, our neighbours are dairy farmers. I am converting our out-houses into greenhouses & garden into veg plots...if I have to I will get a bloody pony & trap!

[@ericevans6382]

And are we bothered? no the car is full and is it wise going out in this?

[@michaelbradley9529]

Keep it going Barrie, you are great !!!!

[@timhicks2154]

If EV’s were as fantastic as we are being told, they’d not need any subsidies

[@rcpmac]

If fossil fuels were as fantastic as we are being told, they wouldn’t need close to £80bn in subsidies

[@timhicks2154]

@ - where’s that figure from? Without energy and byproducts from fossil fuels, daft EV’s wouldn’t even exist

[@vandamonium1731]

and my neighbour who owns an EV is moaning about having to pay VED next year .................. i never offered to subsidise car nor did i ask the government to do it either

[@rbnhd1144]

I cant wait for the VED to kick in, if they can afford an EV then they can afford to tax it. its welfare for the wealthy and foolish.

[@mikewhitehead50]

VED was based on tailpipe emissions for years. People quite happy to do 20k miles a year in their diesel and pay £20 a year to tax. Petrol drivers never offered to subsidise.

[@waynekerrr9027]

EssexEVers is actually Starmer in disguise 😂😂😂😂

[@BionicRusty]

It’s Motability forcing them on people. Aside from the pre-registered evs, 25% of November’s ev sales were Motability cars. They are single handedly trying to prop up the ev market.

[@BarrieCrampton]

Is this information available publicly?

[@tobycolin6271]

Mot ability wouldn’t prop up the uk car industry to maintain jobs, but it will force the tax payer to support the Chinese EV industry. If the EVs are paid for by the tax payer they should at least be made in the UK.

[@1x3dil]

I do feel sorry for Barrie because he knows it’s ultimately going to kill the industry, something he’s obviously spent his whole life involved in . But this mentality is infesting all aspects of the business markets , as for those who are basically feeding off demise of this country , I cannot put into words what I feel . Thanks Barrie for trying to hold the fort , but this is going to have to run its course . And those who will have brought it about will be know where to be seen when the dust settles . Kind regards as always

[@hannahtimson2526]

@@BarrieCrampton Probably not but my neighbour wanted a motorbility car and said F this all i can get without 8mths wait are dozens of dam ev s so yes they are forcing them on the disabled

[@Anonymous-ib8so]

@@hannahtimson2526 Motability is backed by a private finance company. last I heard they were pulling out of financing EV s due to the cataclysmic depreciation and unreliability of all EVs

[@bluestreak2701]

I want a car that I can drive. Not a car that drives me.

[@davescottyhen]

the WEF have other plans!

[@MrWood222]

EV reg up, due to pre registering and new evs sent to auction

[@G-ra-ha-m]

Taycans are £170 to buy, if sold on the same day, worth £70k.

[@ridbanner1407]

Had a local dealership go up in flames from a charging EV. 300+ cars destroyed including the owners personal collection ,Aston Martin ,mk1 and 2 escorts etc. I won’t have them in my premises.

[@outerspace78]

Where / which dealership?

[@waltdisnenycopyright8048]

Car fire was in tredegar, over 350 cars gone​@@outerspace78

[@ridbanner1407]

@@outerspace78 ron skinner

[@sullivanrachael]

Fire started from a charging EV? Obviously the media won’t say this, they do say the fire was made worse from the stock. Hinting ICE cars burn well!

[@G-ra-ha-m]

@@ridbanner1407 Wow, yes I see now, thanks!

[@jzw2195]

If you do the opposite of what the government tells you then you won’t go far wrong.

[@cupra2Jock.]

Yep, just like me not getting the 💉

[@douglasb.5601]

​@@cupra2Jock. 100% 👍🏻

[@timhicks2154]

That’s precisely it

[@ericevans6382]

Yep I'm not paying my tax or ni now

[@joytotheworld9109]

Depends. But mostly yes of late. Not raping or murdering would be good. But not because the government say it's good not to.

[@nc1234-v6z]

if the government are serious about zero emissions, when are they going to ban sprouts

[@vincentcausey8498]

25% EV registrations is not an indicator of EV success, but rather of desperate moves by the auto industry to register EV that have NOT been sold, and witholding ICE sales until the new year in order to avoid the £15k fine for each ICE vehicle sold over the limit. This simply kicks the can into next year when the truth will finally be revealed.

[@Tl-rs1dv]

If EV sales going so well they dont need subsidies or mandates any more then !

[@ericevans6382]

No they don't,but hay ho keep em coming

[@angleseyandy9110]

The interesting figures will be in Jan and Feb when there will be no pressure on the manufacturers to reach a percentage so early in the year, and the pre-registered stock on airfields and car parks have to be cleared on AT. Proverbial brown stuff to hit the proverbial spinning blades at a rate of knots.

[@hannahtimson2526]

One definition in insanity is doing the same thing over and over again expecting a different result... 4billion pounds is a lot of insanity...................

[@christinehede7578]

If internal combustion cars are not selling as well as before it is because you cannot actually buy one not that people do not want an internal combustion car

[@cupra2Jock.]

People are buying 2nd hand. Can get 2015 E63 for 20k...why the f would anyone buy a Golf R or S3 etc for 45k new when they could buy that. Just an example.

[@G-ra-ha-m]

The very expensive ones are available new. Because the penalty can be incorporated in the price.,

[@douglasmorris8364]

I've taken a massive depreciation hit on my 21 plate EV in one year! It's now barely the the value of a 10 to 13yo ICE! If I'd kept the 19 plate ICE I traded in for it It would still be worth the same. Never again will I buy an EV.

[@Anonymous-ib8so]

Good to hear an EV driver tell the truth well done so many Ev drivers cannot face up to the fact that they have been suckered

[@sullivanrachael]

Jan Rosenow looks like the perfect WEF puppet. Passionate from age of 8 about sustainable energy!!

[@hannahtimson2526]

Its starmer in disguise,, never been passionate in his whole life unless you count the rapists and criminals he let out being a barister

[@mikewhite4988]

You have to conclude that they are trying to shut down the motor industry you cant lose 12 grand on each EV sold

[@ghostinthemachine76]

And the farming industry.

[@G-ra-ha-m]

15k IIRC

[@rcpmac]

Fossil fuel companies receive 80 billion in subsidies since 2015

[@G-ra-ha-m]

@@rcpmac All recouped in fuel taxes.

[@stevethorn2108]

Once a upon a time there was a EV and it was cool until the subsidy's stopped.

[@joytotheworld9109]

Or until the thermal runaway event... usually when charging, but not always. They should never be charged indoors.

[@Anonymous-ib8so]

Or until it spontaneously combusted then it was really hot

[@chrisbwhittle]

It is 7th December and I've been daft enough to come down to Dorset for a long walking weekend with red weather warnings. Yesterday I was walking through a village with a car showroom. Lined up outside were a number of 24 plate BEVs all with, i was told 100 miles on the clock. They either had been traded in by the original owners after only up to 6 months or else they were preregistered and no one wants to purchase them

[@robk1003]

Barry, I'm going to be getting an EV this month. Only because my employer requires it, and I'll be paying £33 a month in BIK tax. If it had been my choice, I'd have replaced my 129,000 mile petrol VW Golf with a new VW Golf.

[@ridbanner1407]

My advice is have an ICE handy ,just in case you really have to go somewhere urgently.

[@geriblunden608]

You’re adding to the problem by accepting.

[@arlosurgenor6588]

Refuse it, you are part of the problem.

[@ericevans6382]

Just say no and buy your own car

[@sunnybnk]

Buy your own car and use the company vehicle only for work purposes. Park and charge at the work premises overnight and commute in your own car.

[@stevecoinitin7521]

I honestly think they are incapable of realising the damage they are doing. I saw a video of some weird guy calling the vast majority of drivers (us not in EV's), Flat Earther's lmao! He didn't say it once as a joke, but kept repeating it in a serious manner. He was overly passionate about EV's and ripping into Petrol cars the whole video! I still remember the fruity one who posted in a video comment on another channel....he reckoned he had his Nissan Leaf for 7 years and only spent £170 on charging, maintenance and MOT's! Perhaps his Leaf has pram wheels with hard tyres and he gets free MOT's every year?? There are some now, when people put forward comments that explain real problems like many people cannot do home charging, because of where they live/type of home, it's dismissed with the term, 'it's irrelevant'! What is wrong with these people???

[@matthewgodwin3050]

I don't think the majority of EVangelists on social media are real people. When you check out their KZbin channels, they're usually less than 3 months old, have no subscribers, no content, and no archived videos. My guess is they're AI generated comments to make it appear EVs are more popular.

[@GT380man]

@@matthewgodwin3050yes. The entire underlying rationale for EVs is a lie.

[@Anonymous-ib8so]

EV drivers are like a brainwashed cult and to dumb to see it

[@Markart50]

Incredible and insane that sum of money to support Evs. By the way, Barry, we are not allowed to put charging systems in our parking area, not for any other reason than FIRE RISK. Amazing.

[@ericevans6382]

But they can be put everywhere else inc in houses ???

[@ds9268]

If this is true, a quarter of cars in the carpark where I work should be electric! out of 90 cars, 5 are electric!!!!! kind of says it all really doesn't it?? You all can do the same by going to your local supermarket carpark!! You will not see 25% electric!!!!!!

[@stephensalt6787]

Bob Farley CEO of Ford said they lost $58391 for every EV they sold. It ain’t sustainable or viable or whatever term you use. VW workers on strike for the first time in 87 years over 3 factory closures due to the failure of EV sales.Keep telling the truth Barry.

[@richcoleman9745]

It's no wonder new ICE cars sales are slow, you can't get them ! They're being held back to inflate the EV sales figures - No one wants a £15K fine !

[@cesilpreston]

Absolutely correct. EV sales are only up, because since October many car dealers put a freeze on new petrol, diesel and hybrid car sales. Both Liebour and the Cons won't get away with this. People will remember this.

[@johnholland6842]

The infrastructure to charge EV'S in the North of England is sadly lacking. 😮

[@Anonymous-ib8so]

Lucky you. At least you have less risk of poisonous fumes for an EV when it catches fire as so many do

[@stephensalt6787]

500,000lbs of earth moved to make one EV battery all dug out by huge diesel powered excavators & dump trucks. Very environmentally friendly. The new GMC/ Chevrolet electric pickup has a battery that weighs 1326kgs/2923lbs and the unladen pickup weighs 3855kgs. What a way to”save” the planet.😂

[@commuterbranchline8132]

Could you provide a link to evidence your statement? I don’t know much about mining and am looking to educate my choices. Thanks.

[@Anonymous-ib8so]

@@commuterbranchline8132 You can find that figure in many places. Use your search engine

[@rcpmac]

@@commuterbranchline8132 there is no link

[@stephensalt6787]

@ The True cost, the unpopular truth about Electric vehicles/ Mark P Mills. Is a quick video on this subject. The CEO of Rio Tinto also came up with the same stats on mining for the rare earth minerals. She also said that to make all the EVs required to meet the 2030 mandate more copper would have to be mined & refined in the next 5 years than has been mined in the history of mankind and that’s impossible.

[@paulnewman9275]

@@commuterbranchline8132 I worked in the industry, EV battery production and disposal is truly horrendous in so many ways. Everyone knows it but the Govt's keep spouting their lies ,it's clearly an agenda ...but to what purpose . Not to save the planet that's 100% sure . One EV battery takes 1500 litres of water to produce ,the water table has dropped 20cm in many lithium mining areas forcing whole villages to become ghost towns....

[@SDK2006b]

All new cars are over priced now. The last 5 years has seen cars price increases of 300-500%, yet people’s wages haven’t increased this much ! Car makers cannot continue with the same production and expect the same sales, as when car prices were much cheaper. Discounts NEED to happen else the numbers sold will be MUCH LESS, as people can’t afford the higher prices. No discounts = less sold = factories close = people lose jobs The solution - lower the prices , or lower the production numbers There isn’t a world where high prices and high sales can exist together ! Simple !

[@cupra2Jock.]

Peoples wages have increased 5% compared to cost of living since 2007 and people think the UK is a alright place to live😂 yeah if your a delear or have ya hands in a few pies. EV's are the next scam being sold to us, people are slowly realising it.

[@ericevans6382]

Well years ago people would save up and buy a banger now everyone wants a new car to make themselves look rich

[@GrahamA63]

A friend has ordered a petrol golf on motability - delivery now delayed until Jan 2025...I wonder why...

[@rbnhd1144]

You got it.

[@ericevans6382]

In 12 months you prob won't be able to buy a new vw the mess their in😂

[@rbnhd1144]

@@ericevans6382 That's the problem as I see it, and what Barrie tries to get at, the point being who is going to service your car ICE or EV once the car maker is history, the warranties will be worth nothing, parts will be hard to source for new models, I see the same for Nissan, its going to affect the owners of other brands too as long term it affects pricing of all vehicles and repairs, we are in this together like it or not.

[@hannahtimson2526]

YES but they can have an EV delivered tomorrow,, Gov forcing them on the disabled because they can

[@JacksonFairweather]

Unless these car manufacturers stand up for themselves they will no longer exist in 2 years time. The market will be second hand ICE and cheap rubbish Chinese EVs

[@taptaptapuk]

Nice work , and the fuel duty and vat that had been lost .

[@richarddownes5762]

It's really simple - if you don't want range anxiety, don't want to waste time finding a charging point and don't want to lose a huge amount of money on a car... Don't buy an EV. Can't make it plainer than that😃

[@robbo3353]

The only winners I can see are the land owners around the country where they store/hide the preregistered EV's

[@alexdewar6584]

I saw three vw electric campers with matt black paint and German plates in the Scottish Highlands this week. The front two had "caution driverless vehicle " written on the front. Is this what they're planning next for the masses.

[@rbnhd1144]

Yes it certainly is, many features are in some cars, they are full of computers, just imagine how long it will take for everyone to be 100% ready for that, its shite we dont need, these self drive features are on ICE cars too. Real cars are meant to be driven, Have you ever seen a Telsa driving towards its owner in a car park?

[@kellyeye7224]

'They' haven't lost £4bn - WE (the tax payer) has lost £4bn. Small change compared to the £3 TRILLION we're set to lose by the time Net Zero (2030) arrives. Madness.

[@ericevans6382]

So the 7bn to ukraine is better that the 4 to help buy cars?

[@kellyeye7224]

@@ericevans6382 It's all too easy to point at the utter waste of resources that Governments are continuously guilty of. The £4bn I mentioned is but one example and yours is another. I can think of dozens more, many of which are related to net zero too. How about them taking £500m from farmers only to give to foreign farmers? Criminal.

[@Anonymous-ib8so]

Net Zero will NEVER happen

[@guyr7351]

Interesting video Barry, so looking at the data on target at best for 19% of sales being EV’s which will be short of the 22% target. The manufacturers will be charged £14,000 for each car short of target. It would be interesting to see what the EV sales per manufacturer are V their target figure. Some manufacturers Ford for instance could be looking at a massive bill, if they only had one EV motor at the start of the year I could imagine they are way behind their EV target. I’m starting to look at EV’s although it would need to be used, I can home charge and the vast majority of my journeys now I’m retired are less than 20 miles. Many are only 2-3 to the golf club, perfect for an EV. So probably 95% of the time range anxiety would never raise its head. I bought a 19 plate diesel X1 in March and know that it should easily run for another 6+ years and into 100K miles plus usage. I’m doing about 18,000 miles a year still so I know EV would save me about £2K in fuel. At some point a change will be made but we are still I feel in the very early stages of EV development and the one thing I have picked up on is the “blade” batteries ( as used in BYD) which are much more stable than lithium batteries. I’m not going to jump into the EV market till pushed and from what I can see the pushing is building.

[@WeAreAllDoomed-n5i]

@@guyr7351 Hope manufacturers tell the government to go swivel!

[@Fred-gu6pk]

It's a compliment. Backhanded Barry nicely done but backhanded

[@daniellindstrand8932]

Thank you, Barrie! The most predictable one are not you, but it seems to be the EV evangelists themselves. Here in Sweden, dealerships are full with unsold, new electrical cars. Some importers of EVs and many car dealerships are filing for bankruptcy. As some people say "future, my ar*e!".

[@cesilpreston]

That saying never gets old. Please keep commenting. We need people like you. All the best.

[@peterjones6507]

I wonder how many would buy an EV if they realised the environmental cost and had to pay the full commercial price.

[@waltdisnenycopyright8048]

Up in the east coast, i dont see many evs, mainly they are mobility based because you can have one next week, or you have to wait months, but you do get a free home charger installed

[@STPOBB]

it would be interesting to know the exact number of pre registered vehicles verses actual sales to customers. if only someone could produce an exact graph... pretty certain SMMT used to do that.

[@georgecupac1202]

So this is how manufacturers can continue producing the EV even though there's no mark They are "illegally" paid by government without the consent of the people.

[@daveb2wright]

I often wonder what jobs people do in the UK now that we do not make anything, anymore. We'll, it seems they are employed in the EV propaganda industry. Wonder what they will be doing after 2030?

[@kevinmoffatt]

Well, Millipede did promise the transition to net zero would create thousands of jobs. He didn't mention that he meant in China.

[@davidlewis4399]

Be interesting when the extra EV taxes come in next year bit like when Germany stopped EV subsidies massive drop in sales.

[@peterharrison3879]

‘Oh bugger’ Brilliant!

[@davidjackson3818]

I will never buy an EV car which can and does regularly spontaneously combust, and I cannot get the doors open to save myself, my family and pets. Mobile crematoria, look at the mass Jaguar buyback of the i Pace.

[@ericevans6382]

35000 house fires a year in uk so does that mean you're living in a tent?

[@Anonymous-ib8so]

@@ericevans6382 It us easier to put out a house fire than it is an EV Twerp

[@emmettculleton7165]

EV local great long drive ice ,great real life I have a motorhome 7000 miles 6 months no fuel planing 7 countries just go anywhere

[@BarrieCrampton]

I’m envious

[@bentullett6068]

I have noticed some of the EVangelist channels are trying to make it sound like we are panicking on the rise in apparent EV sales. Most will sales through business lease hire or forced push of EV's through Motability lease scheme. No direct figures of private EV sales though.

[@SDK2006b]

For the car maker it doesn’t matter how it’s sold - private, lease, business, motability - makes zero difference to them. Why are private sales so important anyway? I was a private buyer of new cars once - now I lease through a business, so what?

[@ohyesitsme]

@@SDK2006b Because it indicates the true public demand for EV's and not a skewed figure based on business ripping off the tax payer.

[@SDK2006b]

@@ohyesitsme : "ripping off the tax payer" - how so? People pay less tax on the car - this is an additional tax payment So, the people earning less than £50k paying 25% tax, and not 40% tax. Are they 'ripping off the tax payer' too?

[@98of99]

Guess they would just love to have 100% EV sales and losing $50k each - like Rivian lol

[@martinsoelby5902]

I returned from Blackpool yesterday. Not a lot of EVs there and not many on the to and from the MAN. Panic before closing.

[@JohnB-2021]

The Unpopular Truth About Electric Vehicles | Mark P. Mills

[@simongarrison4894]

The story is people are buying used or holding on to their cars longer, due to the prices and registrations are mostly lease companies.

[@Anonymous-ib8so]

Great channel Barrie, like you I spent many years in the finance side of the motor industry and we offered leasing but always knew that it is the daftest way to have a car. The company did not mind as we made big profits from their stupidity.

[@JohnB-2021]

Barrie, is that 1 in 4 cars 'sold' or 1 in 4 cars 'registered' is an EV? We know there is a big difference between the two. Keep up the great work.

[@BarrieCrampton]

It’s registered, and even the ones they have “sold” they haven’t really because they’ve sold it for less than cost

[@G-ra-ha-m]

That £4Bn wasn't wasted Barrie, it all went to the CHinese EV factories....

[@EVRealFacts]

How much human suffering could have been alleviated with £4bn. Hospitals, carers, treatments, mental health. But no, let's splurge it on middle class car buyers.

[@ibrstellar1080]

Watch UK Column news as that's nothing compared what Ukraine is costing us long term and other Globalist projects like giving 7 billion to overseas agriculture and billions o othed green projects.

[@andrewhill9369]

Love the impression around the 1:12 mark 😂😂😂

[@dangosypethau]

A £4 billion loss to the EV industry. How is that sustainable?

[@mattieandapollo]

Barrie, your volume is still very low - please can you increase the gain on your microphone or boost the audio volume when uploading. Love the videos, great job!! 👏

[@BarrieCrampton]

Honestly it’s perfect, you need to clip “Stable Volume” at the bottom right in settings, the cog icon

[@freeforester1717]

EV's intrinsic oil consumption BEFORE they even move an inch: See Mark P Mills, Skagen Fondene lecture.

[@JohnB-2021]

I'll watch it now. Last week I watched - The Unpopular Truth About Electric Vehicles | Mark P. Mills

[@kevinmoffatt]

So, can somebody please explain to me why, if the wonderful EV's are in such demand and selling so well, the car manufacturers (and please don't start the China bullsh*t, where they are hugely subsidised) are going bankrupt and begging the EU legislators to cancel the net zero mandate. Motability can afford to lose huge sums at resale because they are entirely paid for by the taxpayer.

[@andrewormerod2780]

Strikes at vw this week over how well it's going.

[@ericevans6382]

What isn't paid by the tax payer?

[@primafacie6442]

German, American and Japanese car makers use outsourcing and just in time logistics and then assemble and integrate other manufacturers parts ……..this is a 20th century approach which is costly to integrate and vulnerable to supply chain shocks. Chinese car makers use vertical integration where all parts are manufactured by their own companies, offering more design simplicity, design agility, improved logistics control and so keeping costs down.

[@forresg500]

I currently have a 2024 hyundai kona hybrid which I really like and aim to keep car long term. I must admit I would like a EV kona 24 year but only when it around 8 years old ie when price cheaper and only if battery health is around 65 ish per cent and would still keep hybrid. Obviously home charge and keep for average mile journeys.

[@johnholland6842]

It's grand for business and companies to run a fleet of EV's as they get tax breaks and subsidies. But Joe Public gets nothing when he or she buys an EV. And with the average cost of an EV currently £10.000 more than an ICE vehicle, I know which I will be buying when the time comes to change. 😊

[@freeforester1717]

Chisellers with too much time on their hands, and more money than sense. Buying them with money that isn't earned nor is theirs.

[@stephenmitchinson6682]

main dealer are buying the evs as no one wants them, then selling them as second hand with delivery mileage on them, much cheaper than the new price

[@gdreading9088]

it's in a couple of years time when the shit will hit . . . that's when EV owners will attempt to p/e their vehicles . . . only to find out the real depreciation values because nobody wants them.

[@josephloudon1728]

But are they real sales or dealers pre-registering them to get the numbers up?

[@carlmills-warren2012]

If sales are actually pushing on, it is purely down to company leased vehicles, salary sacrifice or mobility and the incentives that are in place, money talks. I know quite a few people with electric vehicles. I know only one that has bought theirs privately (Tesla). This in turn will obviously have an impact on ICE vehicles because thats how a lot of new cars got on the road historically and now it is no longer a financially viable option. The vast majority of people are not buying new cars privately. When (if) these incentive stop (some due next year), were going to see a catastrophic burst of the bubble. Let alone how the used EV car market could look in the next 3 - 5 years when all these lease, salary sacrifice and mobilty vehicles hit the used market. Worrying times for anyone in the motor industry.

[@paulnewman9275]

EV's are a complete and utter disaster .....most EV "sales" are pre-registered and sitting in compounds all over the country.

[@cesilpreston]

Absolutely they don't suit so many people. I can't get a charger at my place. Anyway I've learnt so much more about EVs in the last two years, that I probably won't ever get one.

[@paulnewman9275]

@cesilpreston We had 3 in the family ,never again , useless things ..

[@cesilpreston]

@@paulnewman9275 wow! I've only had one for a short few days for an extended test. Although I liked the way the EV drove, eventually I couldn't get it because I'm not allowed a charger at my place (shared parking area). Your quite right. I was visiting my local BMW dealer recently and they were so desperate to sell me an EV. The Toyota CEO said recently he never expects EVs to be more than 30% of the market. I think the gov should stop meddling and let the people decide what suits them.

[@rcpmac]

Fossil fuel companies were given close to £80bn in subsidies since 2015

[@BarrieCrampton]

We pay 53p per litre fuel tax, and 20 % Vat, I think they got the best deal

[@GT380man]

If they’re not the same person then they’re relatives.

[@ridbanner1407]

If they think EVs are great then their mother and their sister probably add up to less than 2 people .

[@davidmaskew]

EV tax breaks aren't really saving you any money ifvthe cars are depreciating at the rates being reported.

[@RobertSmith-di5ll]

I would love an electric car as a local runabout, BUT I cannot aford it so I shall have to stick to my mobility scooter.

[@derekdrummond7544]

That's the same thing isn't it 🤣🤣

[@charlesflouvat1829]

Hi Barry, I'm looking for a moggy minor pick up, 🐸, Southport. I'm happy to fix any problems, if it's been stood for a while, 👍.

[@johnbrace4719]

Well done Barry the truth will come out evs are waste of time to many wokes with blinkers on , the planet my arse 😅

[@down_under-bl4]

I'm curious. Are the EV registrations actually sales to real people?

[@zitzong]

No because the EV registrations are made to 'fudge' the figures haha

[@SDK2006b]

Think about it - What happens to the pre-registered cars: 1) They get sold to customers? 2) They get sent to the scrap yard? It doesn’t take a genius to figure the answer 😊

[@ericevans6382]

Yep and I baught 1 with a big discount😊

[@ericevans6382]

Yep and I baught 1 with a big discount😊

[@ambassadorfromreality1125]

Barrie you said at the end I don't know why they are doing it. Can you tell us what your views are on the causes of climate change and the health issues around exhaust fumes. This is what drives the agenda that you worry about. You might feel better about the push for evs if you understood the reasons.

[@BarrieCrampton]

@@ambassadorfromreality1125 when I was a kid I had very bad asthma, I almost died, I know trust me, but that is no excuse to make up lies, and that’s what they are doing, people aren’t buying EVs to save the planet, they are buying them to save money, the others are buying them because they are virtue signalling easily led morons

[@theodavies8754]

Tech companies don't have to build vehicles to the same standards. If they were any good they wouldn't have to ban the competition.

[@michaelhole4894]

I went shopping today and saw a few hundred vehicles, I was quite surprised when I saw ONE electric.

[@ericevans6382]

Where do you live sark 😂😂😂

[@michaelhole4894]

@ericevans6382 Who's sark ? And don't forget the question mark when you ask a question. 😂🤣😂🤣🐂💩🤣😂🤣😂

[@EVRealFacts]

Keep at it Barrie, the Green maniacs are not taking a day off from their industrial manipulation of stats while at the same time complaining about others posting misinformation. The FC show are demonstrating Waco levels of worship.

[@Devondogsclub]

So how much is it costing each one of us tax payers? 4 Billion ÷ 37.4 million tax payers in uk👺...or how much per person in UK? (estimated population of uk 69,315,371 on 5th Dec 2024)

[@ericevans6382]

Less than the 7bn to ukraine😂😂

[@hannahtimson2526]

Some company did a sewage count and estimates UK population is now 100million a lot of people are being not counted to make imigration over the last 5yrs look better

[@stephenmitchinson6682]

the evangelists are so blind about the truth.

[@SDK2006b]

The £4bn is not real money. It’s RRP vs the actual sold price. The cars are over priced - they were not selling at RRP anyway.

[@BarrieCrampton]

@@SDK2006b i assure you it is real money

[@SDK2006b]

@@BarrieCrampton- it really isn’t- The cars don’t sell for RRP. The RRP of a car could be £1m, if it doesn’t sell and it needs to be discounted to £100k, has the company lost £900k of real money, or gained £100k 💡 The ‘loss’ on paper is £900k, it’s not a loss of actual real money, because it wasn’t selling before the discount. Just means someone was too ambitious with the RRP price.

[@nsweeney3970]

​@@SDK2006bWhere do you think the RRP for a car comes from dumb dumb? Do you think they just stick their finger in the air and pull a number out of a raffle and say "that's the sale price for that car"?! The RRP is the figure they put on a model that includes the cost of the vehicle model to make, materials, design, factory, output, staff wages etc. and once all of those *costs* are covered they need to make a healthy profit on the car to grow the business and give people a return on their investment, otherwise what's the point in being in business making cars in the first place of you can't turn a profit....?? It's not a public utility company, it's a business!

[@SDK2006b]

@@nsweeney3970- all car RRP’s are way too high. Who is paying over £40k for a mid size, mid spec Citroen or Vauxhall ?! : Literally NO ONE ! It’s pie in the sky pricing - now the reality is hitting the car makers, they see sales drop and need to discount the cars to the prices people will (can) actually pay.. Absolutely pointless having a business model where people can’t afford to buy the products, because they are too expensive 💡

[@nsweeney3970]

​@@SDK2006bIt's called inflation. Caused by pursuing a fake crisis with moronic energy policies. If we carry on it will bankrupt the country. It's also due to the fact that EVs are an unviable solution to a problem that doesn't exist. They are too expensive to make thus the RRP is too high and they are too expensive to buy. This is what happens when ideology and agenda overrides practical common sense. It will destroy businesses left right and centre. You EV fanboys don't live in the real world, you live on planet fantasy world.

[@Andy-fk8ou]

These people will be happy now with the cheap Chinese EVs but wait till they need spare parts we can't get any in Australia and we're closer to China than you are.

[@mrg-ghx8052]

These EV shills who obviously have the perfect set up, should be made to stay in an apartment or terraced street in a city like Birmingham, with no individual parking space and be forced to somehow charge their EVs overnight on public chargers in the ghetto.

[@jcfallows]

Just reading most of the comments you are attracting, you can see their opinions are what has been picked up from fud stories in the papers & TV news. If they did even basic research they would realise how out of date their comments are. In China I've read over 4000 dealers have already gone bust who were selling european ice cars.

[@BarrieCrampton]

We’re not in China, Chyna 😂

[@ericevans6382]

We will be in a few years😂😂😂

[@hannahtimson2526]

Google the carparks in china full of 10s 1000s of unsold EVs,, its all gone to sh**

[@ericevans6382]

@hannahtimson2526 that is because china are flooding the eu with evs

[@snappingclam8801]

No matter the cost, EVs will save the the environment. Really.

[@timhicks2154]

😂😂😂

[@zaar2604]

Barry first get roasted on X and has no rebuttle, then he records a video of him reading his roasts and still has no rebuttle. Conclusion: Barry likes to get roasted.

[@BarrieCrampton]

Im not bothered one way or the other, i just show the proof in black and white, and people disagree with me, whats the point in arguing with people who don't believe their own eyes?

[@zaar2604]

@@BarrieCrampton What point were you making? You just kept repeating 4 billion over and over again. I am not a fan of subsidies but are you as equally dumbfounded by the number of subsidies oil and gas receive? Between 2016 and 2020, the oil and gas sector received 13.6 billion in subidies.

[@COLLSWORK]

😁😁😁😁😁😁😁😁😁😁😁😁😁😁😁😁😁😁😁😁😁😁😁😁

[@The_Macaroon]

Came expecting to hear a better analysis of the published sales figures. Disappointed.

[@BarrieCrampton]

Lets be honest you came here to moan, and you’ve done it, the information that was in the title was explained precisely, if you expected anything else then I’m afraid I can’t for the life of me see why, I’m disapointed

[@Alsmithize]

Give it up mate it’s over we’re going electric and that’s it.

[@timhicks2154]

😂😂

[@cesilpreston]

Never ever. The EV scam is over. Only the uneducated buy them.

[@jcfallows]

Barry and your point is? Nothing you can say will change the winds of change. Can you start being more upbeat and look for solutions rather than see everything as a problem please. If you can't change the situation surely you can change yourself? You have made a good living selling cars so use your experience to make the end game which is best for you and your family. After passing 60 we haven't got that long left! enjoy reporting on motor shows or public transport or your stamp collection, And make your KZbin channel interesting and a bit more fun please. We know there is a blood bath happening in the motor trade it had to happen with nearly 44 million cars on the road! Something had to change! I have discovered since retiring how easy public transport buses and trains are by using my concessionary pass. After 9.30 when I travel free, they are so empty, with bus lanes usually faster than a car into towns, and no driving around looking for a parking space, or getting ripped off by unscrupulous parking sites! You have to have balance! I see your headline but you should also mention the world oil industry gets £5.5 billion every day in subsidies! Something to make you smile my Zoe GT with only 19000 miles has almost without warning completely destroyed its transmission/gearbox! Good job it's still under warranty! Mainstream EVs are built at a price! I would advise everyone to lease any car only for the time it will be under a manufacturers warranty. For those that can't, the price will have to reflect that, if you're buying one! It's a buyers market! it's a great time for buyers of any car. You can't blame the Chinese if customers want to buy them.

[@ohyesitsme]

The winds of change should be by consent not being forced down our throats. There cannot be solutions while governments are mandating these situations. I give Barrie credit for trying to educate the disbelievers as to what is actually going on. I'm pleased for you that you can hop on a bus and get a "free" ride but it's not the same for all of us so why be so narrow minded and view how it might be for others rather than just yourself.

[@jcfallows]

@ohyesitsme fair comment I've only just tested the water with public's transport in the last two years since I got my bus pass I've had about 15 free rides! But after working 51 years of full employment and paying all my NI and tax I don't feel any guilt! In fact I'm still paying a lot of tax! Yesterday though I had to catch two buses and a train before 9am I had to pay £11.60! I don't mind at all. I agree with you about EVs the government should just gently persuade people to buy an EV they don't have to force the manufacturers like they are doing. People will suss it eventually that for most people an EV is better. But you can still run an ice car for the next 50 years! If you want to.

[@ericevans6382]

​@jcfallows and then there are the ev haters who tell me my ev is rubbish and a milk float and has caught fire every 300 miles,and that is after I've charged it 30 times to do those 300 miles i have spent 40 years driving ice cars mainly ford's,and 1 year in a ev and so far for me they are better so in 39 years I can get a good comparison 😊

[@kennethblakeley6536]

Don't forget the green taxes, every electricity bill, every turbine subsidised, every bit of land wasted on solar panels etc BTW, non profit, means after they've paid themselves huge salaries, often from government grants...(taxpayers)

[@hannahtimson2526]

Sorry to say but the UK has sunk,, and just doesn't know it yet...... I hate this