Always Be Charging? I rely on public charging for 1 month. Here's what happened.

[@danielbarton1694]

Having bought my first EV last week, I found your video very informative. No brainier subscribing to your channel, I’ll be bing watching the rest of your channel content over the next week!

[@MrEV]

Thanks so much!

[@decimal1815]

What did you get?

[@danielbarton1694]

@@decimal1815A new MG ZS EV Trophy with 72kWh battery. The spec is very impressive for what we paid, that coupled with a 7 year warranty, we are very happy we made the switch from an ICE car.

[@markeh1971]

Heat a pad or cheep laptop and watch YT during charging. Take care M.

[@mgortega07]

@@MrEV Hi when using the Octopus Electroverse Card @ Sainsburys Rapid Chargers is there a Pre Authorization Fee ? TIA 👍

[@rogermowat401]

Many thanks Andrew- I really appreciate your appraisals of all EV, infrastructure and the latest house economy projects. Perfect team you two. With Octopus for some time so will research their current tariff line up.

[@murph10375]

It’s a shame you didn’t move into the neighbourhood a year ago. Crowborough train station was free charging with a £2.60 parking fee for the weekend day. Essentially a tank of fuel for £2.60. Helped me whilst waiting for the home charger instalation.

[@ChiefMac70]

I had 3 years of charging mostly on-street using Ubitricity (Shell), cheapest with Electroverse at 49p/kWh. When that charger failed for a while, I had to resort to using Podpoint chargers at my local Tesco for a few hours at about 55p I think it was. Now, my council have changed the rules so that I am allowed to run a cable across the pavement as long as it's housed in a safety black& yellow ramp, so I have my own charger - I can always park outside the house because we have a disabled parking bay. So, yes, it's much easier charging at home and cheaper but, yes, relying on public charging was fine and is only getting better all the time. Thanks for the video.

[@bellshooter]

I've had EVs since 2017, but lost access to home charging a couple of years ago. Then I had limited access to local public charging, with only 3 local rapids and they were unreliable/busy. Since then our local infrastructure has improved and I have access to 9 stations with 29 chargers.....at 3 supermarkets , 2 pubs, 2 retail areas. Not too shabby!

[@StuartRogers-t6t]

Do you think that the price of EV charging will increase or decrease as the governments revenue on petrol and diesel decreases? Personally, I think it will be like the 'no road tax' to 'road tax' change as the government relies on income generated from motorists. The enforcement of smart meters will make it easy to identify what the electricity is used for.

[@Brian-om2hh]

@@StuartRogers-t6t As the revenue from fuel duty falls as the result of reductions in sales volumes of petrol, an other tax raising system will be required - Road Tolls. These will even catch those who charge their EV's for free at work, or at home using solar. If an EV was charged via a normal 13 amp socket, using a granny lead, how would they know you were charging a car, and not using a 3kw heater in the house to keep warm?

[@StuartRogers-t6t]

@Brian-om2hh How long does it take to charge anything other than a very basic EV using a granny charger? certainly not feasible for anything with a range of 200 miles! Type 1 chargers are not recommended for regular use on anything other than early leaf's or zoe's. It would take 20-30 hours to charge a 60kWh car and is not recommended for anything other than an emergency.

[@MrEV]

That's amazing! Where do you live?

[@tedted5767]

Good video. I am not EV owner, but always interested in real reviews of ownership,positives and negatives. Well done. I have subscribed.

[@sinoevc]

Your share is fantastic! It's informative and insightful. I've gained a lot from it.

[@seanashmore8785]

A really informative and helpful video.

[@dgilbert222]

Thank you for an honest video without any flapping, waffle or drama! Your costs I estimate at £20-30 cheaper than a diesel at 42mpg average. Yes, public charging is too expensive but with the right choices it can come in just under diesel.

[@Dave_Tae]

Most modern Diesels do alot more than 42mpg.

[@dgilbert222]

That's my actual "combined" mpg over 37,000 miles in a 3 year old BMW. It is a big old barge though at around 1.8T. Smaller diesel cars will definitely do better. The electric equivalent BMW, @ 2.6T did 3.1 m/kw over 1000 miles in October. With the right charging (based at home) the electric version would save me 1000's.

[@richardfisher7248]

@@dgilbert222 It may save you money at the moment, what do you think will fill the void left when there is no revenue coming in from fuel tax, I would has at a guess that all electric cars will have a chip, probably got them already, this will tell your smart meter that a car is charging and the cost will escalate to fill the void.

[@jameschapman4824]

@@richardfisher7248 Another reason NOT to have a smart meter fitted.

[@StuartRogers-t6t]

​@richardfisher7248 Smart meters will do that, guess why we all have to have one!

[@davidy7004]

I do think that sometimes people confuse "off-street parking" with the ability to charge at home. Plenty of homes have "allocated parking" which is off-street, and the land may even belong to the home owner, but too far from the house to be able to charge.

[@jacksonm.6549]

Thanks for including kilometres in your stats for us outside the UK. Spared me the trouble of asking Gemini to do the unit conversions. Great video!

[@johnnodge4327]

We home charge here in Cornwall. However we visit Horsham quite often, so I get the Tesla subscription for the month we're travelling. For the subscription to save money, we need to know we're going to use about 90 kWhr to offset the £8.99 subscription fee, which we do on that trip. We charge at Tesla Crawley, Dorking or Guildford, depending on where we are when we need to top up.

[@oliver90owner]

I think you are only comparing to supercharger prices? Likely a long way off on your calculation - if you otherwise had to use the chargers at shell/bp prices?

[@vmlinuz]

When I got my EV in January, I expected to mostly use public chargers - I live in a terrace with no driveway, but I was hoping to move this year, which didn't happen! In the end, I've done almost all of my charging at home with a granny charger, a high-load-rated-and-fused extension and a rubber cable cover for the pavement - never had any complaints from the neighbours on my small side street. Unfortunately, I've now got into the habit of paying 7p per kWh at home and find it really hard to bring myself to pay public charger rates!

[@bastogne315]

Me too..ive a rubber mat on the footpath😂😂😂❤

[@lmaoroflcopter]

Similar. I have a driveway but I use a granny charger at 8A to charge as i please.

[@yurikislytsia8596]

Same here 😊 Really hard to swallow 85p at shell recharge knowing it costs 7p at home. Its like going to a petrol station that charges you £10 per litre if petrol.

[@Hyfly13]

Same

[@AWellesley]

Lamppost chargers at 85p/kWh are a national scandal. The billing for public slow charging near your residence should be linked back to your home electricity bill, charged on your bill at the same rate as you’d pay for charging at home (i.e ~7p/kWh off peak with an EV tariff). There is no technical reason it couldn’t be done, all the electricity is coming from the same place. The problem is cash strapped councils being allowed to treat public slow charging as a revenue source. Government action is required to change this.

[@JonathanPorterfield]

Great video Andrew , here in Orkney, we have fast and rapids everywhere 😀 even though we're very rural! Lidle , Tescos, have rapids and the council have rapids too. We're spoilt for choice! If you're waiting for a ferry , you can charge at the port too !

[@MrEV]

We all know Orkney’s something special!

[@Frog-t9z]

Wow what great content so calm no rants over evs just the positives and cons put across in the video. i dont have a ev and would have to use chargers as you have done in this video so was interesting how you managed it ..

[@robertblood3722]

Hi Andrew. Been following you both for years and found this very interesting. We live in Gillingham Kent so not far from your old homes in and around Canterbury. Anyway thanks for this just showed you can do it. We run a MG4 and a Zoe both being electric. Keep these films coming. Also had Solar for 11 years, 4 years with an Air to Air system that gives us heating and cooling of the house and a battery. Having our gas meter removed in two weeks time because changed cooker so don’t need gas anymore. Will keep following you and hope you get that conservator of yours sorted out when you have the money. Regards Bob Blood Gillingham. Kent. England.

[@gordonmackenzie4512]

Interesting ! Thank you. I’ve had a my Renault Megane Etech for 3 months, but I’ve only charged at home with my wall box. Some solar, but mostly cheap rate during the night. 25% - 80% costs £2.70 and lasts me a week or so.

[@AncalimeNL]

I have an 11 kW charger on the road behind my house. I find it to be no faff at all. And, €0,39 per kW. These British prices are insane compared to here in the Netherlands

[@MrEV]

It's an absolute paradise in the Netherlands for charging!

[@tonrotterdam]

Just to rub it in; in my neighbourhood in Rotterdam we have at least 15 points with 2 connectors each. Prices vary; 32 cents and 61 cents per kWh depending on the charger. I'm dependent on a public charger as I'm in an apartment.

[@zvdfk]

The same in France, between €0,23 and €0,32 per kWh, and chargers everywhere

[@Paulruk]

If you compare home electricity prices though Uk is quite cheap compared to the continent. I’ve spent £40 on 1500 miles charging at home. A few days ago my electricity company paid me 44p to charge from 40 to 80% overnight. But yes public charging is a ripoff . Can only hope it’s due to all the investment that is currently going on.

[@stephencrowther524]

@@Paulruk No,it’s due to vat and the various companies trying to screw as much as possible from their customers….thats the current idea of good business practice….grab it and run.

[@pauliboo22]

I’m driving a 140k mile 2012 VW Touran, economy has slipped lately due to shorter drives, but still averaging 45mpg (was 55-60), and that equates to 13.6ppm. So roughly the same as your EV. I am actively researching for a change next year, and the Niro was top of the list. Though I’m now thinking MG4 as they’re very cheap. I remember having to graze when driving a classic mini, purely because the range was less than 180 miles. So grazing an EV makes perfect sense to me, and actually your video makes me realise I could use a granny charger too.

[@duncanbuchanan218]

Average mileage per year in the UK is around 7,500 miles pa. Stripping out company driving (company driving puts the average up) it is clear most private cars do less than 7,500 miles pa. That equates to a bit under 150 miles pw for most cars. A granny charger will put that in a car on just 2 overnight charges. (150 miles / 4 mile per kw/h = 37.5kw / 2 kw per hour charging speed for a slow granny = 18.75 hours charging time per week). So, before you get a charger fitted work out if you really need one at all. Probably worth going with the granny for a bit and see if it works for you. If anyone goes with the granny option do get an EV rated 13a socket - it will be drawing a lot of power over many hours.

[@TheRonskiman]

My 142,000 mile 2009 Tiguan diesel costs just under 20p a mile around town, longer runs are cheaper. Also looking at getting a E Niro, and luckily I have a drive.

[@Travel_Day_Dreams]

Home charging is essential if you want to run an EV more economically than a small petrol/diesel engine. The most important result of this experiment is that you demonstrated that the lack of home charging is not a barrier to running an EV as a daily anymore. However, fuel cost is not the only consideration when deciding whether to make the switch, exhaust pipe emissions are an important consideration (some might say the most important).

[@ouethojlkjn]

Worth noting that in this example , the cost of fuel was around the same as a diesel doing forty seven miles per gallon. The other saving is on servicing. Teslas do not have any service schedule. And that tailpipe you mentioned will never rust or need replacing.

[@mikehainsworth747]

when I bought my Tesla it took just under a week to get the V5 in my name so I could register the ownership with Tesla. It was difficult finding chargers that working fine. 2-3 time to connect and paying £40 ish each time. Now I charge at Tesla and the majority of the time it’s only £0.24 kWh, at peak time it’s £0.53 kWh . Plug-in and charge and charged directly to my debit card. I feel for people who use public chargers as it’s a lot of hassle and extra expense.

[@nigell1652]

To be clear £40 is a pre authorisation. It can be a pain but it is refunded within a week.

[@markeh1971]

I wonder why so many choose Tesla? Take care all M.

[@mikehainsworth747]

@@nigell1652 It’s the inconvenience of having to wait and ringing customer services.

[@ianandme100]

Thanks

[@MrEV]

Thank you so very much! That's incredibly generous of you!

[@phil.clarke]

Many thanks for the video - very insightful. I did look at replace my ICE with an EV however decided against at the moment. Why? I can a drive so could easily charge overnight however I do 2,000 a month for work, and frequently stay away from home, and it does seem a faff and expensive finding and using public chargers especially when I am in remote places - I get range anxiety in my ICE! And I see on too many occasions fellow hotel guests with EVs seem very selfish, leaving their car charging overnight and not moving when 100% and letting another EV user charge up.

[@rogermowat401]

Your honesty and assessments are so refreshing. Very interesting trial. Really is geographically dictated to how convenient & reassuring for EV owners. A question Andrew. What is the best OCTOPUS tariff for home charging? Thinking of purchasing the new Skoda Enyac-any plans to road test that one? Keep giving us the “geek” facts- so interesting.

[@MrEV]

I have so many people asking me to test the Enyaq! I do hope to this year. I know people that have them and LOVE them. I don't think I've heard a bad comment about the Enyaq from owners. In the previous house when we had the Zappi we were on Intelligent Octopus Go which was really good: kzbin.info/www/bejne/mpOciJiVpM92iqc That's arguably the best Octopus tariff for home charging although even normal Go is great.

[@decimal1815]

It's also worth remembering that around 1 in 4 households in the UK don't have access to any sort of car. This hit home for me when visiting family in my EV - I had to park a couple of miles away from their flat. They couldn't own a car if they wanted to, realistically, and there's virtually no public charging nearby either. Ironically, they live right next to a petrol station.. and an MOT garage!

[@paulc6766]

Many people have cars when they really don't need them.

[@KiwiCatherineJemma]

That's really convenient for your friends if they need to run next door and get a JerryCan filled, or get their new MOT... for the car they don't have ! I'll show myself too the door, LOL.

[@decimal1815]

@@KiwiCatherineJemma yeah, it certainly rubs it in! They particularly enjoy all the shitty fumes that they have to breathe in all day and night too..

[@decimal1815]

@@paulc6766 nobody 'needs' a car if there's decent public transport available

[@philward53]

Most cars are sitting unused for 90% of their lives. If there was a public fleet of EVs that people could use when they needed them, the roads would be far less clogged and replacement of ICE cars would be much quicker. Much better public transport is needed as well.

[@michaeldoblado6860]

I live in northern Colorado where charging availability is good (Ft. Collins 25 miles away has ample high voltage quick chargers), but my wife works in Laramie, Wyoming (about 50 miles north) where there are no public high voltage chargers. Our Nissan Ariya has a range of 215 miles on 100% charge, so normally not a problem- the car usually has about 51 % charge when she gets home. However, when the temp drops, our range craters. I took her to work last week when the temp was 5 degrees F (-15 celsius) and the range dropped to 144 miles total- we had 57% charge left when we got to Laramie even though we never turned the heater on. To avoid getting home with 7-10 % charge, I found one of the 5 240volt chargers In L .It took an hour and a half, to get back to 70%, the longest hour and half of my life. This cost $7.00. I had 33 % charge remaining when I got home in Livermore (there's only a 1000ft elevation change coming home, 2200 ft going to Laramie). We've had to use the gas car whenever the temp drops below 35 degrees just to be safe because I know when I'm not driving, my wife insists on using the heater...

[@KiwiCatherineJemma]

I have only ever lived in mild climates, here in New Zealand or in "neighbouring" Australia, where morning frosts are just a couple of degrees below freezing and temporary. But I'm always keen to use the car's heater and windscreen defroster, although I've only ever owned "gas" ie Petrol cars. However many but not all new EVs do have heated steering wheels and heated front seats, and they recommend just using them to help keep warm when driving, as they only use a tiny amount of electric. Some EVs while plugged in at home, you can programme them to pre-warm up the interior for just before the time you leave home in the morning.

[@ouethojlkjn]

As Has already been mentioned there are widely different EVs. And it sounds like your Nissan. Isn't a great for range though It may have other pluses. Here in the UK, the Tesla model Y has A wltp range of over three hundred and fifty miles. It comes with an efficient heat pump.As standard and double blazing too.

[@glynmoore3730]

Great video and great experiment. I haven't had to use a public charger yet, and I've had my Enyaq for over 7 months. But based purely on your figures for using public chargers for 1 month, it would have cost me £40 more to use my previous ice car, a petrol 1.4 Mokka. So pleased I've gone electric, and certainly don't miss topping up at petrol stations any more.

[@MyFuzzyAfterlife]

I am taking delivery of my first EV next week. I have never owned one before. I live in a flat, so I have to rely on public charging. The bigger issue for me, is the cost of public chargers. I have three rapid chargers near me. Shell - 89p per kwh, Osprey - 79p per kwh and an InstaVolt - 85p per kwh. Now since I can't charge at home, I cannot use anything below 50kw, even 50kw I am looking at sitting around for an hour and half plus. So I have to use one of these. At which point, it is more expensive than an ICE. The only saving grace that I may have found is the train station parking lot has a charger, which is 34p per kwh. It charges £5.50 for 12 hours of parking, but that plus the 34p would still be cheaper than any of the other offerings. So I plan to drive it there, park for 12 hours and walk home. This is where I feel the government needs to step in. Even if they cost the vat of electricity for public chargers, I doubt these companies will drop their prices. It's a bit depressing. But I want to drive an EV.... I will add that I do work from home too, and I do very few miles during the week

[@sunnybnk]

Buy an EV and use the bus????

[@MyFuzzyAfterlife]

@@sunnybnk Walk, not bus. as I said

[@ouethojlkjn]

You can do the math for your vehicle. But on average, even these expensive prices work out to be the same as around 50 miles per gallon for a diesel. ElectRic vehicles also have much less servicing and tesla's have no servicing at all.

[@anteateruk]

You might know already, instavolt has offpeak 54p per kwh between 10pm and 6am everyday

[@malk6277]

We need anti-price gouging legislation to apply to the charging station industry. After amortising their infrastructure, regulation should kick in limiting margins to something reasonable. I would be 100% happy paying the high prices until they've paid off their investment in infrastructure. Tolls on motorways work this way in a lot of countries: once the cost of building the road has been covered, cost is dropped to basically just cover upkeep and overhead.

[@jamessjoynson4388]

Hi Andrew, I moved house last year from having a drove with a home charger to a flat. I am totally reliant on public charging. CPS have made their slow chargers £5 minimum charge, for a maximum of five hours, so it's no longer cost-effective to follow the ABC rule. Which is a pain.

[@mgortega07]

Mr Andrew Love your information Your a Star ⭐️⭐️👍😎

[@shaunpowelluk]

I'm a Tesla owner. I wouldn't be disgruntled if it helps. I won't lie though, I've seen many owners make grumblings about it, and it's quite split in how owners perceive the idea of sharing the network. I've seen Tesla owners use the stalls as their personal parking space, to one blocking several stalls whilst they charge as they refuse to unhitch their trailer. As long as it's being used respectably and according to how Tesla themselves have advised users, I see it only as a good thing as the network continues to improve and expand.

[@jonevansauthor]

The new software can predict if someone is blocking more than one space with an unusual car. There's no reason they can't add cameras and sort that for Tesla drivers who are evil as well. And they are putting pull through space in at some sites in the US so again, no reason they can't do that in the UK and they obviously should. Obviously people who block them should be logged on their app and moved to a higher cost charging rate with a civility charge with punishes them for being terrible human beings. One assumes their previous car was a BMW.

[@Mister-Gee-9999]

@@jonevansauthor Most Tesla locations I visit charge idle fees and I wondered do Tesla owners pay those as well?

[@chrisbudge1159]

I looked on a fuel calculator for a small petrol car and larger diesel car and and it suggested 10.5p and 13p per mile - however based on mileage and fuel bought by my daughter in that small petrol fiesta it has been closer to 16p/mile in reality for her - as she does 1500 miles a month she has just bought a 2 year old e-Corsa and should pay off the additional cost in 2 years through fuel saving - she can charge at home - We are now a 3 EV household - she wouldn’t be able to do that if she had to rely on public charging due to cost and lack of fuel savings

[@1892Bear]

I Had a Rav4 d4d costing 200 euro per month in fuel costs, my ioniq electric cost 4.48 euro a week on my supplier ev tarrif on my home charger, glad I made the change.

[@MrEV]

That's fantastic! I bet she prefers the e-Corsa to drive too!

[@FamilyMorcChannel]

Great video Andrew. Very informative.

[@EVPuzzle]

Great video Andrew, always love a test I've thought about doing a similar test myself to see how much cost and inconvenience there really is . You've beaten me to it . For those thinking about going EV it can seem impossible to contemplate the unknown . For some who want the EV but don't have charging at home it's the norm and completely possible and still be cheaper than petrol

[@MrEV]

Thanks Nigel. What’s the infrastructure like near you? I remember Norwich being pretty good for slow chargers in car parks, and obviously you have the lovely big Gridserve now of course. Not at all envious about that… 😀

[@EVPuzzle]

@@MrEV reality is I've never used Gridserve in anger but it is a great contingency 4 miles from home if I'm ever on fumes Infrastructure is really good though , instavolts all over , podpoints, evyve, osprey and ionity. Ignoring shell and bp of course AC charging locations are around in council car parks and some coops but it's getting to the stage where we need EV only car parks with chargers Our friend a new EV owner is considering moving to a place without charging ability and places like Gridserve add confidence

[@scottoreilly4785]

I live in a 2 floor flat in a new build in hackney east London. When I got my ev, I had planned to use street chargers until I got a parking ticket for charging on a council lamppost charger which thought was scandalous. I bought a 25m extension lead and a 13 amp EV trickle charger and now hang the extension down to the street and then plug my car in. It normally takes between 8 and 10 hours and costs about £10. Thanks for the parking ticket, it has ultimately saved me a fortune in this long run.

[@hcw199]

Imagine if everyone was hanging electrical cables down the street.... Real genius!

[@Banyan314]

@Needs must. Not so much a reflection on the user, more a reflection on the inadequate provision on the local council. Lamp post chargers are so much easier to use and cheaper to install as are pavement gullies for charging cables to reduce trip hazards. The tech and solutions are there, it just takes some vision, money and political drive to put it in place.

[@ohyesitsme]

@@Banyan314 Can you imagine in the future 50% of flat owners have EV's and are sharing a lamp posr charger.

[@scottoreilly4785]

@@hcw199 it would be really colourful if we all use different colour extensions

[@decimal1815]

Yeah, we're not quite there yet with public charging. Lots of gaps in the rapid charging network, and councils don't have enough funding to roll-out chargers in public carparks at the scale required for 2030. Hopefully things will improve..

[@richmaniow]

Excellent video Andrew, sadly it does highlight how expensive "public" chargers are, my old Diesel comfortably does 12 miles to the litre on short journeys which is about 12p per mile at the moment, based on £1.50 per litre. Most of the public EV chargers you used are equivalent to paying £2 per litre so not great. It shows that at the moment EV's risk creating a new divide between those that have drives and can charge at home for much less and those that can't. This could disproportionately impact lower income households who are less likely to have drives and have to pay a hefty premium for using public chargers.

[@MrEV]

I couldn't agree more - and it's so obviously something the government should be doing something about. More EVs would be bought if people know they can charge cheaply (as they could in the old days!)

[@chas3997]

@@MrEV Totally agree the agenda here is the government are letting bigger compaines scam us with over priced charging and turning a blind eye to it deliberately in my opinion

[@MrAtomlinson1283]

Had our ev for a month before our charger was fitted. 4 different sets of chargers all within 10min walk of our house and a set of rapid chargers 10 min drive away. Was only when we visited friends we realised how spoilt we were with chargers.

[@paguk2000]

Andrew I have a I3 and my charge port is on the wrong side the same as VW group. I try to use the right hand charger and park in the bay next door that way you are only taking up ,1 ev bay

[@DB25k]

Graze graze more grazing.... Great video .....thank you so much for putting this together. I graze all the time....

[@duncanbuchanan218]

Sheep. 😉

[@ComeChargeWithUs-e8x]

Nice video. As you say the amount of hassle is very dependent on where you live and where you spend time so it will differ wildly for different people. If you can charge at your workplace or supermarket or somewhere else you spend a lot of time then it's pretty easy. One thing with AC chargers is that they involve an extra degree of hassle because you have to use your own cable, so I personally wouldn't bother if I was there less than an hour. A final point is that your challenge was a little tougher because your car charges relatively slowly, I guess the Leaf would have been even harder!

[@Cmilofeq]

I live in Copenhagen, Denmark, in a flat. The public infrastructure is very good around here, so most will use fast AC chargers or charge at work, and there are many fast DC stations as well. Is really not an issue at all.

[@cbromley562]

Great video. Hopefully, it'll become common practice for workplaces to provide charging...3kW would do it in most cases.

[@edspace_66]

It will be interesting to see what home charger you get and what your DNO will do about your 63amp main fuse. Hope you're able to make a video about that process.

[@MrEV]

I will!

[@Brian-om2hh]

My DNO simply replaced the existing fuse in my meter box with a 100 amp one, when I had the main electricity supply cable moved to make way for a new house extension around 6 years ago.... I did mention at the time I was intending to go with an EV.

[@edspace_66]

Had mine upgraded on Christmas eve. 60 amps to 80 amps. Took 10 minutes. Mainly they wanted to check the incoming cable was made of copper and not aluminium. Could have gone to 100 amps but only 16mm2 tails going to consumer unit, would need to upgrade to 25mm2 tails first.

[@markilag1430]

Welcome to Sussex Andrew. Whilst plentiful and useful for grazing those Connect Kerb connectors are a little annoying. However, your challenge is to find the one CK connector in East Grinstead that has been repaired at some point is now a simple lift flap and plug in version.. and so much better for it!

[@amiddled]

16:00 they arent all like that. At the Tesla chagers at the Trafford Centre, the chargers are in front of the bays like that, but rotated around so that they are parallel to the direction of the bays. With a front port, you can drive in and it will reach.

[@markbrockbank]

Just a comment on your charge at a Tesla station. I have used one once, was able to charge my e-Niro parked in the "correct" bay by nosing in at a slight angle, to get the front close to the unit. Then the cable reached. I actually thought this is a benefit of the central front charge point location, which I consider pretty much ideal.

[@keyserxx]

I live in a flat in Birmingham and have a choice of 2 local Tesla superchargers, I'm pretty much sorted with those. Up until the recent cold snap I was able to just charge to 80% once a week but now it's gone cold charge twice a week so I don't have to worry about running out before the weekend and have ample heating/cabin preheating. Kona EV, about 130 miles per week, cost of charging in summer was £9/10 per week and is now about £20-25, depending on how cold it gets. I would be happy if I had a driveway and granny charger though - maybe one day.

[@duncanbuchanan218]

A neighbour has recently got a Model 3 (used, 4 years old). He has been shocked by the fall off in range in the cold weather. London is usually milder that everywhere else and its just bad when it gets close to 0 deg C so not such a big issue for him as he can charge at home and hjs mileage is modest anyway. It is something anyone needs to consider if going EV.

[@RideshareBuddyUK]

trouble with electroverse is that you never quite know what you're going to be charged. I charged up yesterday using my electoverse card, the app showed 30p kwh and I was actually charged 75p kwh. Deceptive pricing should be made illegal. It does not happen in the petrol world, it should not happen in the EV world

[@MrEV]

I've not heard about that before. Have you contacted Electroverse?!

[@RideshareBuddyUK]

@@MrEV yes I sent them a message this morning asking for a refund of the difference - they've not answered yet 🤣

[@rogerfinch7651]

Yes prices are often wrong, also on Zapmap, esp for newer installs. Takes a while for prices to reflect actuals

[@SarahAnderson-id4yz]

Great video. I live in a flat and can’t home charge but I have lots of chargers near where I work. Not the cheapest but still halved my fuel bills compared to running a petrol car. I have every charging app and have learned to charge whenever possible, even just little top ups. As I’ve never had home charging I don’t find it a faff.

[@MrEV]

Great to hear!

[@MrWobling]

Great video. Genuinely surprised you didn't have a single failed charge during that time - unexpectedly finding a charger out of order etc. Didn't realise eniros also struggle at Tesla Superchargers - wrongly assumed if the port was somewhere on the front you were good to go. Curious to try the MG ZS now. But if you pick a location with a v4 Supercharger, the leads are long enough so you only take one space.

[@MrEV]

I've yet to visit a V4 Supercharger but yes, that'd certainly make life easier with the e-Niro. As for broken chargers, I have pretty good luck really. Avoiding Shell and GeniePoint helps!

[@MrWobling]

@ ah Geniepoint - how are they even still in business? Why do they even get out of bed on Monday morning? Maybe that's the problem?!

[@mjcamp01]

Hi Andrew, I really enjoy your videos, I think you missed an opportunity to mention Tesla V4 charging stations which have longer leads, usually a lot of chargers per site, have contactless terminals, and are open to all, I think that's genuinely valuable info

[@MrEV]

You're absolutely right - I should have. There aren't many around yet (not in the UK anyway) so it completely slipped my mind!

[@csmdrivingsolutions]

Great video! Really helpful as usual. Any tips for someone wanting to start creating car review videos?

[@bartvanhoof6278]

From a Spanish perspective ... we've moved house as well, did so on Aug 1st ... but we still don't have a home charge point in the garage (coming this month on the 10th!). Over those 4 months we've driven 11,617 km , which is an average of 2,904.3 a month (yes, we use our EV a lot) ... the average price for charging was €0,34/kWh ... we charged about every 3 days, there are not enough chargers in our region to "graze" as you do. We have exactly 2 charge points in our village, but no real issues ... the only thing we have to take into account is that if we charge on Friday night we have to pick the car up at around midnight because Sat. morning (early) the local market is held right where the chargers are so you can't move the car until 14.00! (kid's football games are usually at around 10 am on the weekends, so yeah). We hardly did any fast charging (50+ kW), and the extra cost can be offset by some of the times we were able to charge for free. Result ... we still saved around €75 each month if we compare the kms driven, the current price of diesel (as it fluctuated over the 4 months ... I keep an Excel) and the efficiency of the diesel car we traded in for the EV over 2 years ago. Once the charger is set up the savings will shoot up to €250+ a month (as they were previously). EDIT: I should say ... these savings also include the petrol costs for the Yaris (our second car) ... the more we have to drive with that, the lower the savings ... it did effect the savings. The Yaris kms are not included above.

[@bartvanhoof6278]

I can add so much more data ... For example, for 2020 (when we had the diesel and the Yaris hybrid) our total fuel costs for the total kms driven (23,403 km) came down to an average of €0,068/km Since 08.2022 when we changed out the diesel for the EV the total kms driven have been 76,539.2 km (EV + Yaris) with an average cost of €0,038/km ... the cost of the EV use for on street charging over the past 4 months doubled ALL charging costs since car purchase. So, it used to be at under 3 cents/km. We used to fill the Yaris up weekly, now once a month. Since the EV purchase ... we have spent almost the same amount of money charging the EV (including these past 4 months) where it did almost 60,000 km ... as we spent fueling the Yaris, which did around 16,500 km over that same period.

[@ipb1966]

I take your point on the Tesla supercharging but if the drivers want to be grumpy then they should direct that at Tesla, not other owners using a facility Tesla have provided. The majority of cars don’t have their charging port in the same location as Tesla. Don’t the latest superchargers have the charger in the middle of the bay or have longer cables?

[@ouethojlkjn]

The latest version four tesla superchargers have longer cables than the older models. Tesla are also retrofitting existing superchargers with longer cables. Tesla will also remove general access if it becomes a major problem like they did with one of their locations in tottenham north london

[@Queenmania2007]

As a wheelchair user I was a little apprehensive about taking the plunge, as at the time I was living in rented accommodation with no prospect of a home charger. I now have a home charger which is so much better, but in general I've found public charging stations to be reasonably accessible, even if not deliberately. The size of the apparatus often means there's extra space for the cable/charger around the side of the car anyway, which means manoeuvring a wheelchair isn't as hard as it otherwise would be. Occasionally the plug socket or payment screen is just out of reach which is very frustrating, but overall not as bad as I thought it would be!

[@chrisrussell418]

When using the Tesla 2 & 3 chargers if you park on the RH end of the row with your rh front wheel on the kerb then the correct cable will reach. Similar at LH end of row if space to your left then you can turn nose into right.

[@TheMrMarkW]

Great Video. Thanks as always for your tips. I'm sure if I hadn't watched your videos before getting my car back in March I'd have struggled. I've lived with a 2.4kW granny charger since I got my Polestar 2 in March '24 (78kWh battery, 75kWh usable) as I can't get a 7kW charger installed at home. Whilst I'm lucky enough to have a driveway & a garage, my Garage is a separate building at the back of my house beyond the small 'yard' behind my house. The Garage has a 16A Feed but the Consumer Unit is at the front of the house - so we'd have to run the cable through the foundations and dig up the patio and probably run 30m of cable to where the Charge Point would be sited. It's a terrace so taking it on the outside of the house isn't possible, plus I'm on a looped feed and only have a 60A breaker. The Granny charger is fine - granted it's not the fastest thing, but overnight it puts 16% per 5 hours back in, roughly, via the 2.3kW charger at 8.5p per kWh on Octopus Go. If I need it to add more charge I just turn the schedule off in the Car and let it charge at the 24p/kW standard rate - still works out WAY cheaper than the fuel I used to pay for in my Diesel Audi and as a home worker mostly, the car just sits on the drive most of the week so I just leave it on charge. At work (200 miles from my house) we have 14x 7kW free PodPoint chargers where we can just plug in. So usually I charge my car to 90% at home, drive 120 miles where there is a Tesla Supercharger next to a Cafe in Northumberland - car's normally around 40% at this point dependent on the time of year (in summer maybe closer to 50%, Winter definitely 40%) so I plug in and go have some dinner at the cafe. Car usually only takes 20-30 minutes to charge back up to 90% or so, so I have to keep an eye on the app as I don't want Tesla to charge me idle fees. If I fancy splash and dash I've stopped literally for 10 minutes to give me enough time to grab a drink and go to the toilet and that gives me enough extra (usually up to 60-65%) to enable me to get to the hotel near my office, usually with 25-30% left. (I *can* do home to work on 1 charge (remember - distance is one statistic the GOM uses, but the other is ascent/descent - so travelling through Northumberland you find that the range drops considerably due to it being quite so undulating) - but it needs me to fill the car to 100% at home and I arrive at work with 9% SoC - Too close for comfort for me (I've done it a couple of times in the summer, but I definitely wouldn't risk it in Winter). So I can then fill the car up at work while I'm working for free, and then drive home, stopping at the Fastned charge hub near Darlington to top up before getting home. Whilst I do have an electroverse card, I also have a polestar charge account which is effectively a plugsurfing card. I get 30% off at Tesla, Ionity, Fastnet, Allego and a few other chargers for £12 a month - one decent sized rapid charge and it has paid for itself, pretty much - and the Fastned 'Autocharge' is excellent and works with the Polestar Charge card - You just set it up via the app, add the Polestar Charge card as the 'charge card' and now when I use Fastned it doesn't even need me to do *anything* except plug the car in - it reads the car's MAC address via the comms pins, knows it's my car, starts the charge with my polestar charge account all automatically. Which makes it work somewhat like the Tesla's do. (I know some chargers now support the 'Plug & Charge' standard - annoyingly my Polestar doesn't support that - only mainly VAG group vehicles currently via Ionity). We also have loads of connected kerb chargers (same as the ones you showed) around here in lots of the North Yorkshire car parks - the most useful ones are the ones at the cinema in Harrogate where there are 12 charging spaces right behind the cinema, so I can top my car up whilst I'm in Harrogate for dinner or watching a movie. Occasionally you'll find there's the odd one that's been wired up to 3 phase electric too, so in my EV I can charge at 11kW then (sadly it won't do the full 22kW 3-Phase AC - it only runs at 3x16A) - The only problem with those connected kerb chargers is that funky shutter mechanism - they get gunked up with dirt or grit, and when you try to rotate them they stick and just won't allow you to connect. It's a bit of a PITA - but in most cases around here there are so many of them I just move to the next charger nearby. (BTW - I remember you saying on Threads you were getting a Polestar 2 to test - did you ever test it? What did you think?)

[@richardchapman5623]

Brilliant test and great figures too. Just proves it’s way cheaper and much more fun and more exciting charging with an EV.

[@journeyman9648]

We don’t charge at home but use Co-charger and found one 10 minute walk from home so use their charger around 3 times a month at cheap rate, when travelling north from Dorset to Fleetwood we only use Tesla and after joining we have really paid for the yearly subscription

[@grahamreader9141]

Thanks Andrew for this. Yes UK Power charge a fortune for connections as our parish council have found when needing to replace a street light. If 16p per mile only public charging then my old Auris hybrid getting 52mpg at 16p mile was good value. Thankfully I got Octopus to install a home charger. Unlike you though I don’t work from home as am retired, well not much difference really 😂😂😂 sorry bout that. Have only had the Kona 64kw since 30 Sept so haven’t done the maths yet but will. Thanks again for the videos.

[@howieb2001]

Another excellent video. I hope others are also trying to spread the word about this channel as those considering going electric need this unbiased information. Contrast this with the Telegraph "journalist" who undertook a road trip in a vehicle that only travelled 2.5 miles per kwh, managed to find a charger with a rate of £1.15 and consequently trashed all EV driving.

[@williamsheehan5743]

Electroverse is not always the cheapest option. I recently used the card on an ESB rapid charger where Electroverse charged 95p a kWh whereas the ESB price was 77p a kWh. Similarly, a Ubitricity lamppost 5kWh charger near me costs 49p off peak but 85p peak hours (4pm to 7pm) according to Electroverse but the Shell Recharge App charges a flat 54p all day. It means you should always check what the charge point operator charges in case that is the cheaper option & not assume Octopus is giving you the best deal.

[@duncanbuchanan218]

This additional complexity puts people off. I just want to know the price, I dont want apps or cards, just clear pricing. If it varies by time thats OK - IF its really clear. In a way, peak charging EV charging prices are a bit like motorway petrol prices. You will pay if you need to, but by choice you will save money by avoiding motorway fill ups.

[@williamsheehan5743]

@ definitely, it is all too fiddly. What never made sense is the different kWh pricing depending on whether it is a slow charger or a rapid charger, it is the same electricity no matter how fast it is dispensed. If you go to a petrol station, you don’t expect to pay more just because the petrol pump can pump faster, nor are you expected to pay for the cost of the petrol pump or the cost of a tanker filling the site up with petrol. Sainsbury’s apparently think you should subsidise the cost of their erecting a few chargers & connecting this to the grid with virtually no maintenance costs or human assistance like at a petrol station.

[@KangoV]

Great video. This is 30% more expensive than our diesel (also only £30 road tax, tyres £25 each, insurance £180). So total cost per mile is way cheaper. We cannot charge at home, so would not buy an EV (yet). We do have a yard with 3-phase power though. So maybe. But, if everyone had an EV and did this "graze" charging, it would mean that ALL public chargers would be full all the time. Also, a group of chargers will have a maximum draw from the grid, so if all chargers are occupied, your charge time could quadruple.

[@marshallquin8611]

Here in Connecticut we have some of the highest utility rates in the country. I bought my Ioniq 5 in May of "22 and used the free EA charger near me for almost 40k miles. I installed solar panels in May of "23 in preparation for having to rely on my home charger. This worked out well because I was able to bank almost a years worth of net metering before I had to charge at home. My first encounter with public charging rates happened this past October when I visited my friends on Cape Cod. I had been using the free public L2 charger at the library across from their house but on this last trip the charger was no longer free and worse it was an Enelway which has since gone out of business in the US. Thankfully the bar code on the side of the charger directed me to an app that let me use my credit card to charge. I think I paid about $.60 per kw which for someone use to getting free electricity was a shock. I have a friend who just bought a used BMW I3 and is relying on public chargers until he installs a home charger. Finally, this will all work itself out. At least with EV's we have many choices on how we can charge our cars. With ICE vehicles you're stuck with the local gas station.

[@iansinclair7581]

I’ve been doing the same since the 18th of October. I did have a date for fitting a home charger but that was cancelled and am now waiting for the 13th of December. In the town centre we have an 80kwh @75p, a 120kwh@85p and a 300kwh@95p. The only one that worked properly was the InstaVolt @85p. The 300kwh would not communicate with my vehicle and the 80kwh would not either. So not so good for public chargers. There are no Tesla chargers in my county. The cheapest fast chargers are Ospreys @69p 13 miles away. There is a bank of Gridserve chargers again 13 miles away but they have been waiting for over a year to be commissioned. So public charging is not so good in Fife.

[@michaelarulanantham8833]

I am a low mileage user (100miles/week) and live in a 2nd floor flat in East London and fortunately have 3 no. EV charging companies providing 7kW charge points within walking distance. I can also park there long enough outside the permit holders only times to charge my 66 plate Nissan Leaf. I pay 50p/kWhr. I would be interested to know how people handle ICE vehicles preventing you from accessing the charge point?

[@marlls1989]

I live in a second floor rented flat, impossible to charge at home, for that reason I got a diesel instead of a EV (and also the manual transmission, but that is secondary compared to the lack of charging)

[@danielbarton1694]

Charging away from home will also incur paying VAT at 20% whereas VAT is only 5% from your home electricity supply.

[@chrisp7839]

Worth mentioning that the newer Niro EV has its charge port in the middle, and I recently charged at Uxbridge Tesla Super Chargers on my way to Everything Electric this year. They are Type 2 chargers and the cable was able to reach from the correct cable stall., unlike the older e-Niro.

[@ChrisJakins]

Thanks for making this interesting video which we can see incurred some extra cost for you. Obviously it does negate most of your EV running cost savings when you rely on rapids but you pay for the convenience of getting charged quickly. If you ran the same experiment with petrol or diesel I would guess it would be comparable roughly but it isn’t all about fuel costs. I like to top up when shopping occasionally but try to charge at home as much as possible. The winter is a bit of a drag as we use more energy for the same mileage and precious little solar from our roof, but zooming out to see the whole year shows running costs are way down compared to our previous combustion vehicles. I don’t miss the fumes either.

[@robertosfield]

We've just traded in a Diesel C4 Picasso for a MG5 SE. Average cost per mile for was 11p/mile for the Diesel, with home charging on Octopus Go were are charging the MG5 for around 2.5p/mile. Haven't tried public charging yet, but am prepared for it to very expensive compared to home charging. Public charging has to pay 20% VAT vs 5% VAT for home electricity so that's small but significant extra cost public charging has to add.

[@pigletsdaddy3052]

Great video. Really want to go EV for my next car. Availability is not much of a problem (you showed some of the chargers VERY near me (welcome to the area)). But I'm currently getting 11p/mile (fuel). Even 16p/mile (lecy) is still a big increase in our "fuel", price. I know EV should save us in some other areas, but I'm hoping the gap will narrow. +35-40% is a hard swallow.

[@DaveofDaveDoes]

Hi, great video, come on down to Lewes, since getting our I3 in FEB24 they've installed approx 50 chargers in town (4 x pod points in Tesco for your weekly shop:-) its also a bit boho like Forest Row... Dave

[@nickname1812]

An extremely interesting exercise. Especially for those families with 2, 3 or 4 cars in the household. With 3 children we have 5 and only 2 off road spaces.

[@timothybloomer4246]

We have an e-niro (home charger) and also an Octavia VRS estate which is a fantastic car but does at best 35mpg which at current petrol price of £1.30 per litre works out at 17p per mile. So we generally use the EV for our daily driving. West Cumbria where we live was a charging desert a few years ago with just 2 unreliable Geniepoint chargers in our nearest town of Whitehaven. However there's now a big hub in Whitehaven and another in Workington so it's getting better.

[@MrVopt]

I used a granny cord, public charger grazing and some supercharging for a month until my home level 2 charger was installed. I could have gotten by with just 1 kw charging, but topped up the battery with supercharging while overcoming the initial anxiety.

[@nicolalionello4421]

welcome to Sussex! I live in a flat and have charged my EV in public charging in/around Haywards Heath for three years.

[@foglamp1964]

we have to charge at public chargers so Ionity is a must for us mainly for the price with a subsciption which is the best option. Looking forward to when we can use the Tesla network in our area (Sheffield) and when the council eventually say we can have one the cross path channels installed so home charging becomes a possibility.

[@ISuperTed]

Great video, very informative. The big issue of course is the massive disparity between the worst public chargers and cheap rate home charging. Given probably 40% of people can’t home charge, this has created a huge us and them situation. Hopefully this will eventually start to change as more EV’s are out there and economies of scale begin to kick in. However, like you said, businesses need to make a profit so I don’t ever expect prices to be much less than petrol/diesel. As we get faster charging cars over the next few years and longer ranges, grazing won’t be so much of a needed strategy, but IMHO that’s 5 to 10 years ahead.

[@ziggarillo]

80 % of people who drive cars , could charge at home. Not everyone drives.

[@Joe-lb8qn]

I love those Kempower chargers.First encountered them down in ? Devon? (Darts Farm, i think) They've just installed 4 double bay units at my local Sainsburys as you've said in another vid, they are rolling them out at a massive rate. Id like to see some discounts for electricity in the same way many supermarkets have been discounting petrol with so much off for shopping .

[@grahamleiper1538]

I did that faff until my charger was installed (really didn't want to use an extension lead). It was much cheaper (lot of free charging back then still), but most locations at the time were single units - not to be relied on. Charge point operators may make more profit if their chargers are priced better. An empty charger makes no money. Have had a couple of failed charges with Tesla in 50,000 miles. I had nine failed charges with other operators on one road trip in 2020 - things have definitely improved. If my charger died I now have public AC chargers within easy walking distance (28p/kWh apparently). Previously nearest reliable charger was 14 miles away.

[@stephenbagwell8275]

The latest Tesla V4 superchargers have the charger in the middle of the parking space and longer cables. There’s some V3 superchargers on Chester Road in Manchester that have been waiting for the power to be connected for ages. I couldn’t get one supercharger to work - it could have been that I changed the payment card though. Also one was out of action because a KIA/Hyundai driver had taken the wrong V4 cable. At V4 chargers you can pay contactless but it can work out cheaper with the Tesla app and membership. I used superchargers a short distance away from motorways

[@NissanEVOwnersUK]

Very good. I commend your record keeping. :)

[@MrEV]

I should have published my spreadsheet!

[@sjb1604]

Charging on Tesla V2 and V3 (V4, the solid pillar one, has a much longer cable so no problems) in my Kona (front charge port) I try to take the rightmost bay and park as far right in the bay (great if there is extra space/grass to the right) as possible and usually I can get in without blocking any other bays

[@RonPike]

I enjoy the videos! Maybe your next car can be a Kia or another brand that has the 800 volt architecture? I love my Kia EV6 and 19 minute 20% t0 80% charging. 95% of the time I charge at home. So far just one road trip where I used a roadside charger just to get to my brother in laws.

[@MrEV]

Yes, I used to own an IONIQ 5. I *really* miss that charging speed!

[@temperedfox]

"I'm too English to ask someone if I can charge at their house". This sums me up as well. I live in a flat in Essex, and so far as I can tell, Essex is very behind when it comes to public charging and generally the vast majority of people living here seem to hate EV's for some reason. We live on a private road and when I suggested to other residents we could look into the government schemes to get some charge points setup for us to share which will be cheaper overall and a good investment for the future, they literally scoffed in my face. I thought I was going to get assaulted by a 70 year old woman at one point for having the audacity to turning to the dark side (EV cars). I'm also in the unfortunate position that moving to a new home with driveway is not feasible right now so relying on public charging. I am at the point though where I might have to break tradition and actually reach out to other EV owners in the area with driveways... :D

[@MrEV]

Do have a look at the apps Co-charger and Joosup to see if there's anything in your area. You may be lucky!

[@rokk]

I get about 16p a mile from our 8 year old diesel too. As much as I love the idea of EV, enviro aside, when you figure in the higher cost of the car, charging times, the lower range and the profiteering prices of public chargers - that are often on a par with fossil fuels, it's just not compelling enough - yet.

[@Na808Koa]

After getting my Volvo C40 on impulse buying (slaps own wrist) when taking my six year old XC60 in for a service, I didn't have a home EVSE and for almost a year so I did the public charging thing which I found more stressful than any range anxiety people complain about, wondering if the charger was working or available (yes I did use the plug share app) . Unfortunately in my area we only have two locations with two level 2 chargers close to amenities that I can use while the car is being charged, I was so relieved when the EVSE, a self assembled OpenEVSE unit, was finally installed.

[@lauriedunkinwedd3411]

There’s a garden centre near the Tun Wells Sainsburys with a row of rapids if you’re going that way.

[@MrEV]

Yes, I’ve used those a couple of times. Great chargers from Mer!

[@timbo3178]

Have you tried Grid serve at Gatwick Airport yet? Is has a coffee shop and small convenience shop above the charging stations.

[@MrEV]

I've not charged there, but I was there for the opening. Really impressive facilities: especially that shop where you can just walk out with products and you get charged automatically!

[@heatherdlc936]

I had to use public charging for 6 years and there were far fewer around at the beginning of that. To me it seems like there are loads now, but I got into a habit of ABC early on, and it really helped

[@vhol93]

Nice one!

[@rickgordongordonellissteel3761]

I recently did a journey of 220 miles in my diesel car which averaged 55 mpg. At a cost of £1.38 per ltr, it cost me a total of £25.09, which works out at 11.4p/mile.

[@djtaylorutube]

Which is really poor when compared with home charging which is where the advantages come. I charged the other night at a rate giving me 0.5p/mile. Sometimes i'm paid to charge which gives negative pence per mile. Comparing with only public charging is not a good example, we all understand that EV's that can't be charged at home will be expensive to run but a diesel or petrol is always expensive to run. No other options there. Even on a European trip, I still average about 9p per mile on public charging, it's just the UK that's utterly screwed here.

[@rickgordongordonellissteel3761]

@@djtaylorutube yes but we are not talking about home charging here, the video is specifically about public charging. Even if it costs me a little more, I still prefer the convenience of not having my journey/route determined by where the next charger is (if it is available and working).

[@djtaylorutube]

@@rickgordongordonellissteel3761 It is about living without a home charger and that was my point. If you can't charge at home, don't get an EV because it won't be more convenient and it won't be cheaper. We roadtrip Europe, the petrol and diesel get left at home. No issue with Tesla chargers, no issue whether they're working or available. I prefer the rest of the year never having to waste time visiting a filling station and on a road trip, yes the car will plan the stops but we're not bound by those, there are options somewhere along the route of several hours of driving! :) I don't mind what anyone else drives though, makes no difference to me. 👍

[@robinrdale8318]

Like watching your videos looking at maybe getting an ev next year just waiting for the Renault 5 to come out to see what it’s like , then by that time the way the prices of the Renault Megan’s are dropping should be able to get a 23/24 version of one of them for about 10k . Luckily I can charge from home

[@nigell1652]

The availability of chargers is still very patchy. I live in Telford and wouldn't fancy doing without a home charger. There are zero chargers on local council car parks or the main shopping centre for example. The local Telford council have just announced they're finally making improvements so hopefully things will improve. Shropshire council is a basket case so little hope for Shrewsbury and nearby towns.

[@stephenprice7502]

Sounds about right for SCC. Wouldn't want to spoil their precious town with chargers now would they. 😆

[@joergmaass]

I live in Germany and we have two EVs, one Fiat 500e and one Lucid. I have no fee charging cards of four large charging providers, which were a breeze to get. Just a registration on a website and presto! So now I can use EnBW (largest one in Germany), ChargeNow, Aral and Shell. I recently drove (or travelled for our Sovcit friends) through Germany from South to North. Fast charging was a breeze and there was always a free charge port at one of the stations I picked. Charging the Lucid with 300 kW is fun! You can see the miles click up by the second, and so far my experience has been completely positive. I think it was a good decision to move away from ICEs since EVs are much quieter, have more instant power and torque (great for overtaking) and the charging infrastructure is sufficient to make sure that range anxiety is not needed anymore. And the running cost for an EV are WAY lower than for an ICE car, so instead of having a midrange ICE as before I have a luxury EV now and pay about the same amount per month (a little bit more, TBH).

[@Lewis_Standing]

I found the connected kerb ones to be a little tricky to use first time with the odd rotation you have to do. Once you've got the trick it's fine. I've seen a place in Sunderland with 165…!!!!

[@RobinDaZombie]

We are looking into getting a EV We cannot home charge as the car is parked away from our house and we found this video extremely useful as we would have to rely on public charging.. The only issue I've got with having an E V. Is we're hoping to go to France next year on holiday? And I wasn't sure what it's like charging On a long journey there and back and whether having a petrol engine would work out cheaper done electric. Any information Mr. Ev would help. Thank you robin

[@MrEV]

You may find our roadtrip in the Kia e-Niro useful. France is very good for charging infrastructure. So much so, we didn’t bother planning. Also cheaper than the UK for charging - but get yourself an RFID card like Electroverse. electroverse.octopus.energy/sign-up/magic?referralCode=free-sage-191 kzbin.info/www/bejne/fmi7o5ZthLRnqKM

[@3002534]

Interesting video. I travel 200 miles a week, and charge at my local Tesla (5 miles away). I’m lucky to have 4 Tesla charger hubs relatively close by. Tesla take £20 holding fee and I generally charge to about 84% for about £18. With regard to using the ‘wrong charger’ because of the charge port, I have a Kona so I angle the car to be close to the ‘proper’ charger thereby not using 2 charge bays. Thanks for your interesting videos.

[@Sidewinder1009oli]

We'll be driving from South Wales to Paris, then to Belgium and then to the Netherlands, before back to South Wales over around 16 days next August. Planning to keep to ABC when we do so. Got a 3yo and 6yo, so they'd need more stops than the car anyway