EVs were supposed to be the future. Not everyone is buying it | DW News

[@tibsyy895]

$45K option?! haha! I need a $15K option!

[@Cecil-yc6mc]

use public transport

[@The1KovacsAttila1]

@@Cecil-yc6mc Public transport not everywhere available! Actually there are far more places without proper public transportation than places where it’s adequately available! Don’t be ignorant!

[@Seoulhawk01]

That is what legacy auto is afraid of, BYD makes a $12,000 EV that can go 200 miles. They can’t and that is a problem.

[@davidmurphy563]

@@The1KovacsAttila1 The Dacia Spring is fully electric and under 15k new. That's the short range version, 140 miles / 200km. That might sound low but it's perfectly ample for 95% of people 95% of the time; especially if you live somewhere urban. Also, don't expect performance or a luxury interior. But there you go, you can get a brand new EV soundly in your budget.

[@MalcolmRose-l3b]

Give it a few years and there will be a second hand market for EVs - it's just in the nascent stages at the moment. But Europe needs more cheaper new cars in the €20-30K range.

[@MrChristocentric]

how does a single european man living in a appartment need a 45k ev option? not realistical

[@JohnnyHoO111]

a single european man living in a appartment takes bus

[@Foersom_]

I live in an apartment and I have an EV. I have 3 public charging stations

[@normanstewart7130]

​@@Foersom_How can you afford public charging?

[@Foersom_]

@@normanstewart7130 In Luxembourg public AC charging cost the same as power at home.

[@normanstewart7130]

😱

[@GPSniper1]

EV is for people who own a house and can charge at home.

[@vrealzhou]

There are many Chinese install the chargers in the apartments underground garage. Technically it has no problem.

[@JosueMartins]

@@vrealzhou Not all apartments in Europe have garages, we park on the streets.. There are very few chargers in small cities.

[@Pauli650]

And don’t travel long distances

[@timeglisky7573]

@@GPSniper1 A gas car is for people who own a gas station and a oil field.

[@mk3tsi]

​@@timeglisky7573just take this L 😂

[@Iselas181]

I can't afford one so I can't get one, simple as that.

[@Andreschannel_SA]

Excellent comment. I also want diamond shoes because of their superior carbon footprint, but I also can't afford them.

[@pompeo9116]

Because of West protectionism, EV is expensive in the West market! This just shows how double standard West is on their climate change action!

[@maximusasauluk7359]

​@@pompeo9116 It's not that simple, you think protectionism exist just for fun? Chinese EVs flood Europe, European brands crash, Europeans lose jobs (and the automotive market in Europe is significant) and then how are these jobless people supposed to afford cheap electric cars from China? Think about long term consequences, there needs to be a balance.

[@mikeshafer]

A used Tesla Model 3 can be obtained for like $17-20K. Now if that’s too expensive, sure stick with a beater. No problems there.

[@Lee-ew8dw]

​@@mikeshaferTesla Model 3 - They are this price because you can only get it repaired at the dealer. No way of doing repairs yourself. Hence why insurance is high.

[@MeganoOdles]

BYD Seal cost $25k in China, in the US the same car cost $45k... it has never been about the environment.

[@bigtvjunky9119]

China is the problem. China has decided to side with Russia. You limit the business you do with unsavorily countries. Wonder why tourism in Europe, Japan and Korea is booming while China has few foreign tourists? If the $25k EV was from Japan or Korea it would be less of a problem because they already have ICE factories in America.

[@tallest4eva]

​@@bigtvjunky9119What does Ukraine have to do with an economic decision? China can make the $25k EV profitably. Capitalism is about the most cost effective winning out and causing the others to compete. Of course EVs will never be mass adopted in the West it it remains over priced. Without mass adoption, the benefits of the scale of production doesn't kick in, western companies stop investing in the tech, and China dominates the EV market with the rest of the world, while the West is left behind.

[@kolviczd6885]

@@bigtvjunky9119 Again it's not about China siding with Russia. It's purely economics and fear of competition. Don't be a fool. Japan in 80s was like today's China, but Japan was democracy, USA closest ally (or puppet) did not support any country that the west doesn't like... but still Japan was strangled to stagnation and it had never recovered from it till today. So stop making lame excuses. Be realistic.

[@bigtvjunky9119]

@@kolviczd6885 Wake up dude. China has been threatening Taiwan. The world depends on Taiwan's chips. We learned our lesson when we continued to placate Russia. The world is decoupling from China. Most international companies have already left China. You can't continue to be "The World's Factory" if your government threatens its neighbors. Also why do you think America and other countries have implemented chip technology bans to China? It's because their government isn't playing nice and continuing to support Russia and Iran.

[@HolloMatlala1]

Joe McCabe might be right based on his numbers....But hey the longer they delay the better it is for CHINA, less competition But lets filter down the Actual numbers based on Brands not Conglomerates or a Group of Companies and Brands , just 1x Brand /1x Subsidiary "Apples to Apples"....Oh also cut out the Commercial vehicles and fleets (especially Toyota and MAN Heavy Duty over 2 Tons) and lets focus on the Passenger vehicles and you will see Tesla and BYD are actually the Top 5 Brands in terms of Car Sales....Below are collective figures from the Groups of Brands, But dig deeper into these numbers and you will tell me: 2023 Car Sales by Brand and Fuel Type A= Combustion Engines (Top 6 Brands by Production output) -Toyota = 10,307,395 (Brands incl. Lexus) -Volkswagen Group = 9,239,575 (Brands incl.ŠKODA, SEAT, CUPRA, Audi, Lamborghini, Bentley, Porsche and Ducati.) -Hyundai/Kia = 7,302,451 (Brands incl. Kia Corporation · Genesis Motor · Ioniq) -Stellantis = 6,392,600 (Brands incl. Abarth,Alfa Romeo,Chrysler,Citroën,Dodge,DS,Fiat,Jeep,Lancia,Maserati,Opel,Peugeot,Ram, Vauxhall) -General Motors = 6,188,476 (Brands incl. Chevrolet, GMC, Cadillac, and Buick) -Ford (Brands incl.) = 4,413,545 (Brands incl. Ford,Lincoln,Motorcraft) B= EV's (Top 4 Brands by Production output) -BYD = 3,024,417 (pure electric models1,574,822 units) (Brands incl. Battery Electric Vehicle and Plugin Hybrid Electric Vehicle) -Tesla = 1.85 million (Brands incl. 100% EV's)

[@Mi-Chis]

Why are we not talking more about prices of ev? I will never spend 50 or 60k on a car…

[@Cecil-yc6mc]

But you will spend more than that paying for fuel?

[@eatcochayuyo]

You're misinformed. Combustion cars are not a lot cheaper new. You can get a Model Y in Germany new without subsidies for 40.000 Euros. So stop spreading misinformation!

[@Harrock]

​@@eatcochayuyo i dont get it why you buy a new car ? Always buy used ! Save Ressources ! 60% of people can only spend 5k, 10k or 15k€ for a used car ... i know that pumping fuel and Oil into the car is not Ressource saving ... nur i will never lease a new car just for 2 years

[@lonyo5377]

3 minutes 50 seconds... Affordability... Watch the video?

[@michalp.4975]

who told you that you have to spend that much on it? 2nd hand BEV market is great in Ireland. I had an option of buying 2nd hand ICE car that is 8 years old (has to be automatic transmission for my wife) for 24k. That was the cheapest car available in 150 km range. We decided on BRAND NEW BEV car top trim with extended range for 31k! that is 7k difference only and the car is new. It comes with number of years of free service and warranty. On the other hand you could buy a 2nd hand BEV 4 years old for 15k with similar size battery. It is still cheaper than getting ICE. I used to pay 65-70 every 2 weeks for fuel. Currently I'm under 20 a month! I noticed that I started driving more as it is just cheaper to commute. I connect my car, go to sleep and for €1.5 I get 30% of my battery charged. No more stopping on petrol stations. I use mine just like an ICE car. I don't drive it 15 mph or never turn AC on. To me it is just a great car with all of the modern tech that costs me 15% of petrol cost to drive.

[@sajuponnore9863]

So, Toyota was right all along. full Hybrids are the future transition vehicles ( not plug ins ).

[@duerf5826]

As an EV owner, this dude is 95% correct. I love my EV for its PRIMARY advantage over ICE which is the the ability to charge at home but that is not the case for many people. I've seen non-home owners/renters getting EVs for the cool factor but ended up regretting it because of how inconvenience outdoor charging was. whether it's a 10k or a 50k car, if you don't like spending 2 hours every week sitting at charging station (assuming that you can't charge at home) then you're not gonna live owning an EV. Right now used EVs with low mileage are reasonably affordable but people still don't buy them; EVs simply don't suit many people's lifestyle.

[@Takudza]

It’s gonna take a while for the infrastructure to come in. This will take a half a generation.

[@cobrachannel100]

Not only charging. EVs just better to drive and more fun to drive on the daily basis. Not to mention it requires no maintenance.

[@banksrobyou]

@@cobrachannel100 drive like an appliance. i take a mini cooper any day (and i did after ditching a tesla the same day)

[@bunyip7343]

@@Takudza Depends on the political and commercial willpower. Other countries have put in place the fast charger infrastructure to support EV's in only 5-10 years. You gotta get the legacy ICE vehicle manufacturers and oil companies out of your politics - and it will go much faster. Look at Norway... country makes most of it's money from oil and gas... however politically, they use that money as incentives for companies to expand their charging network. Having abundant hydro power helps too though. Economically, owning an ICE vehicle in Norway is more expensive than an EV.

[@idomaghic]

"if you don't like spending 2 hours every week sitting at charging station" ... there is another option; slow public chargers. In my area there are multiple slow chargers available where you can park for 12h (in order to not block the charger). At most I'd have to spend 10min extra per week to re-park my car when the 12h is up, in case I don't need to drive somewhere at that point.

[@Ausf]

The market for generic overpriced electric SUVs has been saturated, and the only option for cheaps EVs, China, is attracting tariffs in both the EU and US.

[@manuelbarreto7032]

Petrol + ICE manufacturers (that constitute a cartel) didn't expect such rapid shift and customer adoption, hence they got scared and increasing artificially their cost vehicules in the west, an VW ID3 costs in Europe over well over 40k euros, but in China the same model costs 17k euros. Taking in to consideration that manual labors IS not a huge factor when taking into consideration the final MSRP, you can see very clear which IS the strategy.

[@auntiedrummer]

Ya, its all becos of tariff and tax

[@tooltalk]

​@@manuelbarreto7032 Nope, EVs are not ready for prime time. I won't be buying one until they sort out the battery fire issue -- or they come to an effective method to put out fire.

[@manuelbarreto7032]

@@tooltalk I think you didn't study the topic enough, evs catch fire 20 times less than a petrol car. But also if you are afraid of this, you can also buy a car with LFP batteries and forget the fires, the mayority of cars today are LFP (lithium ferro phospate), for example the tesla model 3 \ y 60 kWh IS all BYD LFP batteries, so 0 Risk of fires, the BYD seal IS also a 88kwh LFP. The argument of fires is inexistent, the argument is more if you have enough money to purchase one or not.

[@tooltalk]

@@manuelbarreto7032 First, all lithium ion batteries can catch fire. Second, LFP' has slightly higher TR threshold, but is still vulnerable to fire. Third, the average age of ICE on the roads today is 12.5 years vs EVs 3.5 (in the US) -- older vehicles catch far more likely to catch fire. Fourth, LFP is a low-end battery mostly deployed in entry-level, low-range EVs. Fifth, it's also heavy which means lower efficiency. Sixth, EV battery fires are far more difficult to put out and can last hours, or even some cases, days.

[@rajfc]

EV industry has been very dishonest about its carbon footprint and supply chain ethics

[@callmebigpapa]

This video is a puff piece for big oil and the old car companies. In the largest car market in the world BEV sales are projected to finish out at 68% of total sales.......gassers are totally dead. It is all about the fuel costs and lower maintenance costs: Fuel considerations for my personal use case: sequoia 1200mile@13mpg@3.29/gal $303.00/mo, 3600/yr scion xb 1200mile@28mpg@3.29/gal $141.00/mo,1629/yr model 3 1200mile@.10kwh $28.00/mo,336/yr

[@DavidSchneiderIP]

I'm 76 years old. The most expensive vehicle I could afford in my life cost just under $5,000.

[@donsullivan6199]

We need to force you to buy a 70,000 electric car to save the world.

[@tibsyy895]

@@donsullivan6199 LOL

[@tibsyy895]

And it was a smart move!

[@Cecil-yc6mc]

You've lived your life and helped destroy the planet. Time to quietly move on.

[@eatcochayuyo]

And yet you probably managed to spend hundreds of thousands of dollars for petrolium products in your lifetime. And already you find BEVs around 5000 used. In the times you could buy a new car for 5000, 5000 then probably equaled 30.000 today due to inflation.

[@SteelyEyedH]

I work in the motor industry in the UK, and have access to all sold vehicle numbers by every metric imaginable (data company) Month on month EV sales in the UK go up. June 23 -June 24 is about a 15% increase. I’ve no idea why there seems to be a glut on “EV sales have slumped” videos at the moment.

[@nickblindlemon3383]

That’s probably driven by the salesmen incentives to sell EV’s over ICE vehicles or company car drivers… I’ve heard of of £1000 per EV. I have had a few hybrid company cars here in the U.K. purely to save on tax. My last was a BMW 530e… electric only range was about 18 miles… pathetic but it saved me a ton of tax and I could charge free at work. Now I have a car allowance and live in the centre of a village with no chance of installing a charger. I have a diesel X3 which has a 600 mile range on a full tank. My local BMW dealership salesman told me to keep hold of it as no one wants the electric versions and it will only go up in value. Talking to another colleague recently that has a Tesla company car he is going back to ICE as he can’t stand the charging lottery. They have no chance in the US. I recently drove from North Dakota to Houston over a 4 day period visiting customers… didn’t see one EV charger.

[@rob5944]

​@@nickblindlemon3383well our friend here seems to think there's no problem. I'm in the UK and there are ads on TV with 0% deals on EVs and used ones on autotrader with massive discounts. In my experience there's usually only one reason for that. I don't work anymore so couldn't give a damm either way, but there are a lot of people in apartments and terraced houses that simply can't plug in. As my friend said 'it's the wrong technology'. Electricity is great in buildings, but they don't move around, carrying a ton of batteries around (even when they are flat) can't be a good idea.

[@JonHake]

If it was affordable and refueling was easier, I would get one.

[@monkeystealhead]

If you own a garage. Plugging your car in the wall should not be the problem. (I guess you mean the crazy amount of providers. With all the different cards.) The cost is the major hurdle IMO. And the range discussion. Should be changed. 60k is for a huge part of the people ok. You can't do everything with that but the daily needs are covered. There should be more cars with a ~100k range. Smaller Battery is cheaper less weight less resources needed. But everyone thinks i need 500k range.

[@urbansenicar81]

@@monkeystealhead I agree. But that is worth 5.000 EUR, no more. You can't charge a premium price for a scooter.

[@Cecil-yc6mc]

@@urbansenicar81 perhaps the new world isn't for you

[@urbansenicar81]

@@Cecil-yc6mc And another thing. This is a "new world" only for people, who know very little.

[@Cecil-yc6mc]

@@urbansenicar81 you know what you need to do. just get it over with.

[@annamariaclaudia548]

Because of their high repair costs, Hertz, arguably the largest car rental company, is ditching 20,000 EVs and replacing them with ICEs. If it is too expensive for a company with deep pockets, certainly it is too expensive for me. Furthermore, I can fill my ICE's tank much, much faster than it takes to recharge and EV... on a -25C day in our Canadian winter, that makes a huge difference.

[@Binku-oz3lp]

You guys forgot to mention the Price $$$ in US, Europe Canada, Australia is 10 times the price of Chinese EV

[@eddyr1041]

BYD is profitable

[@shingosekiguchi1803]

The Chinese economy is getting deflated seriously, by which BYD can manufacture EVs cheaper than the other countries for now.

[@Kaichongjee]

Not sure where you got that figure from mate but the atto3 in china sells for approx $25k AUD and in Australia, the Atto3 is $55k AUD. You might be right in Europe and USA as there is high tariffs on Chinese EVs.

[@sunnyliao3441]

No, you don't know Chinese EV is so easy to burn itself... there are almost 700 EVs get self-burn every day as reported ,but official often seal related news . I won't buy EV in China no matter how cheap it's .

[@Kaichongjee]

@@sunnyliao3441 how many vehicle fires are caused by internal combustion engines ? People like to make this a thing but really it's not.

[@nobleideas2838]

For EU, the dilema is to balance between access by the population to cheaper EV models from China and protecting the local relatively expensive models from local manufacturers

[@shyft09]

Reality. You did a better job than the video

[@rob5944]

You're probably right in that regard. Unfortunately there is no real dilemma over whether to buy an EV or a ICE, according to the people I chat with anyway. Can you guess what they say?

[@dominiquecharriere1285]

I had an EV for 15 months (Skoda Enyaq 80), I could not go anywhere beyond 200 kms around my city (Madrid Spain), and had to rent a petrol car for my summer holidays. I used to say EVs are great for communting only, you would need another car for weekends and holidays (and a dedicated charger at home / work). Last month I returned it to get a PHEV hybrid with 55 kms autonomy. Man, I still go full EV to commute everyday, charge at work 3 mornings per week but can go where i want on weekends and holidays. Today I say without a doubt: EVs are ABSOLUTELY USELESS! If you have a dedicated charger, get a PHEV with at least 50 kms autonomy, it's the perfect deal!

[@michaeldepodesta001]

Was this programme made by your B-team: content is well below par your channel. Where were the numbers? As I understand it, BEV sales are growing year on year and ICE sales have been falling year on year since 2017. This conversation with a single consultant reflects only his opinions. I expect DW to base their programmes on facts not very soft interviews with opinionistas. Please do better next time:M

[@balazsfried3592]

It is FUD story , why are you looking for facts. Tey just play te fear mongering card, thts it.

[@Ray-ld3mt]

I changed my ICE for an EV (BYD) this year. What a difference in technology and performance! Feels like changing from the analog cellular phone to the smart phone years ago. Don't see myself going back to ICE ever. I charge at home. It's super convenient and about 80% cheaper than my previous gas bill.

[@Simon-dm8zv]

Well done.

[@Biceman]

I have an EV for the last 2 years as our second car. We charge about once a week overnight in the driveway. I have never needed the public network and I have never once come close to running low on juice. The instant torque, the smoothness and the silence in the cabin makes it better than my ice vehicle, except for my longer trips which we happily swap over to ice. Once you own one, especially as a second car you'll realise that range anxiety doesn't actually exist. Who drives >400km a day in their second car?

[@prilep5]

I live in apartment and don’t have garage to charge overnight. If I supercharge it will cost same as paying for gas plus probably damaging the battery. Now I drive Toyota corolla and for the price of one EV I can buy two hybrids

[@mrnarason]

I pay like 31 cents per kwh in California

[@alexg5460]

2nd car is very key in this sentence ** 😂

[@Robert-cu9bm]

Range anxiety doesn't exist. That's why we have a second car that can do range😂

[@tomhenry897]

Americans

[@craigcman6738]

1.2 million cars were sold in the US were EV. The numbers before 600000. So EVs are slowly getting there.

[@myspace1876]

EV will never become mainstream because of battery technology. If the battery technology is improved it gives more power to people which no government wants

[@icu17siberia]

Supply chain, isn't morally sound, demand on power grid, exportation of pollution in mining toxic minerals bothers some people

[@orchidoutdoor648]

China?

[@Cecil-yc6mc]

@@myspace1876 EVs and battery technology are improving all the time. it's ICE vehicles that aren't improving

[@andrejmichal4676]

@@Cecil-yc6mc They are. Compare internal combustion engines 10 years ago and now in terms of output and emissions.

[@kedaiboencit7351]

No one?? Dude, take a look at Indonesia. EV cars are everywhete now in Jakarta. Having EV is saving money.. 👌🏽

[@EcoHouseThailand]

Same in Thailand, I have 2 and an electric motorbike. Charge from solar and use the bi-directional charging to power my house at night.

[@NoobGamer-sc9lt]

EU wants western made cars anything from east they'll fight it

[@legostud]

He’s American. We don’t usually understand that there are places that exist outside of the United States.

[@Mi-Chis]

@@kedaiboencit7351 practically if you pay 50.000 for a compact ev. Vs 25.000 for a compact ice care and own the vehicle for an average 3 year lease term you will find it hard to save money. Yes, it changes if you drive über…

[@Trump02]

@@Mi-Chiscome to china you can buy good EV for 10k usd

[@TheTrueMilery]

I'd like to buy an EV for my next car, but until I can charge it at my apartment, I won't.

[@Luke-PlanesTrainsDogsnCars]

Why does USA have all this preoccupation with giant pickups?...sounds like a testosterone problem to me.

[@jungletunes3923]

Wtf😂😂😂😂

[@icu17siberia]

safety, families, recreation. not complicated

[@andrejmichal4676]

I'm more concerned about the reasons people buy and use those vehicles on tight roads of European cities.

[@Erikkrols]

In Europe they do the same activities, not with Hughes trucks, but with SUV and station cars. Less carbon footprint. Also it has been proven that trucks are more deadly in case of an accident.

[@AndrejMejac]

They suck at driving, so they need a big car for protection. It's what makes Cybertruck sales numbers go up.

[@AtliTobiasson]

This is a record year on BEV sales The title you're looking for is "EVs are the future, just not for German legacy automakers"

[@ssdhusg6042]

German car companies have purchased large stakes in Chinese electric vehicles.

[@jessh2147]

BEV sales are so low relative to the overall market that it's nearly impossible not to have a record year on year given the push from Govt and just the natural increase in the overall market etc. The real metric that is important is the sale of BEV as a percentage of total sales, and that % is stuck at ~10%-15% (depending on your market), and that's with incentives from Govt and mandates etc. That's the point.

[@AtliTobiasson]

@@jessh2147 how can it be stuck if each year is a record year?

[@jessh2147]

@@AtliTobiasson Okay let me use a really extreme example. In Yr 1, sales were 100 ICE and 1 EV so 1% were EV. In Yr2, sales were 200 ICE and 2 EV so again 1%. In Yr 3 sales were 300 ICE and 3 EV, so again 1%. If you just look at EV sales, every year is a record year, 100% sales growth from Yr1 to Yr2, then 50% sales growth from Y2 to Yr3, however EV isn't really gaining ground in this case is it? It's a bit like that but instead of being 1% of sales in my extreme example, EVs as a % is sitting at around 10%-15%.

[@AtliTobiasson]

@@jessh2147 for how many years has it been stuck at 10-15%?

[@sopadurso]

I see more Evs then ever. In a competitive market companies profits are not supposed to be constantly high…

[@aryaman05]

Nevermind profit being consistently high, they're actually Losing money, that's the challenge.

[@fnorgen]

As far as I can see the main problem is that American and European manufacturers massively scaled up EV production capacity, at a time when many people find it very hard to justify buying any new vehicle. And on top of that they somewhat neglected the budget end of the market! And then those manufacturers have lobbied hard to keep comparatively cheap Chinese options out. Personally I just found ways to make due without a car. The few times a year I really need to drive I just borrow or rent one instead. Especially considering the cost of insurance it's way cheaper.

[@WannabeShady90]

Profits? With EVs? Is this fairytale hour? You should worry about mass unemplyment, especially in Germany. Then again, mass unemplyment gave US the nessecary push to get rid of the old socialist elite as well, so pushing EVs might be a blessing in disguise.

[@ecco4000]

I live in Canada. There are many issue with driving a EV. One, the Cold winter that zaps the battery. Two if I want to travel to the east cost or anywhere long distance and it takes so long to charge up. I don't know why they did not wait for the Hydrogen fule cell vehicle did not come out. Toyota has the prototype and they have tested the safety and it is as safe as a gasoline vehicle now. And it is just like a gasoline vehicle where you fill it up in seconds, not wait for the battery to charge for hours. The Hydrogen vehicle is clean to run and does not need the expensive , dangerous, and environmentally damaging lithium battery.

[@Simon-dm8zv]

If you think cold winters ‘zap the battery’ it is clear you never wanted to inform yourself. And no, hydrogen will never be a viable solution for cars. Come on, it’s 2024. Not 2005.

[@JohnDoe-xr8dz]

Unfortunately a hydrogen fill up costs many times that of a gasoline fill up.

[@Simon-dm8zv]

@@JohnDoe-xr8dz yes, and that will always remain so.

[@elainev670]

We live in Europe. The only reason we don't have an EV is because the public transport is so efficient. I would never consider buying a petrol or diesel fuelled car for example.

[@Cecil-yc6mc]

by far the best reason not to get an EV.

[@Djamonja]

You shouldn't buy a car unless you need one, fuel or EV

[@taoyao4834]

额,byd的公交车

[@dontbanmebrodontbanme5403]

This guy missed one huge, HUGE factor regarding why EVs aren't selling as well as people thought, at least in the US: market adjustments. He seemed to completely ignore why so many legacy automakers hate EVs: it breaks the dealership business model. Most manufacturers sell cars to dealers, then they're done. The dealer sells it to us, turning almost no profit on each one sold. They make their money in two areas: financing of the car and service. EVs kill the second part of that equation. My wife has had her EV for a year now and there's not a single thing she's needed to pay for, other than a tire rotation. Same with my EV. There are EVs with 100K miles+ on them that haven't needed a single break pad change, due to regenerative breaking. No oil changes, fuel filter, spark plug, the list goes on and on and on. Well that slat out scares dealers. So dealers have been charging "market adjustments" to try and make up that lost revenue. Oh, you need to pay $20K over MSRP for the car. Why? Because that's the amount of money we were expecting to make in service over the life of the car and if you don't pay it, we're screwed! It's stunning this guy completely ignores this reality.

[@jayh6900]

Market adjustments are all but gone, only remains in a few rare models. Dealerships definitely don't like the lower influx of customers walking onto their property not only for servicing but the ability to sell them a new car while they wait, which obviously means they can't sell them new financing. Their business model will need to evolve.

[@hamag1973]

You are right in that. But even EV's needs services. And that you dont do them on your EV's is a huge red flag for every one thinking of buing an used EV. Here in Europe services on EV's are many times even more expencive than services on regular ICE cars.

[@tonymaiorano2749]

You save on fuel until electricity sky rockets, and wait until you try to sell or trade in your battery toy. Good luck. Musk etc are playing you.

[@gj8550]

This interviewee is American centric. All over Asia, EVs are growing and gas powered vehicles are shrinking in market shares. In China over 50% of cars are EVs. One at a time, Japanese car manufacturers are becoming obsolete. Nissan saw its sales fell by 800% last quarter. American car makers are not far behind. 40% of GM sales are in China and its is shrinking at a alarming rate.

[@Greenspaceservices]

Completely agree !

[@bullpup1337]

800%? that sounds like a lot. Did you get that number with a calculator made in China?

[@SteveLomas-k6k]

Since EVs are inherently unprofitable, the EV market is all about who can throw the most subsidies at them, and that was always going to be communist China, let them have that entire market, they can pay for the chargers too. And let US makers sell the cars people in the free world actually want to drive.

[@blackknight4996]

​@@bullpup1337 Anyone has 2 braincells knows it 😂, maybe you only have one?😅

[@bullpup1337]

@@blackknight4996 I see, your comebacks are made in China, too.

[@The_Viking970]

Future is hybrid and Toyota is making that correct transition.

[@blackknight4996]

Toyota will be Xerox in 5 years...

[@The_Viking970]

@@blackknight4996 good luck

[@stevencole7331]

I think what is generally missed is the substantial improvement of local air quality a bev has . I was walking my dog and a truck drove past us and the air reeked of exhaust pollution . We are so desensitized to the smell as something that is just part of the environment . Your local area cold be as small as your space is not polluted by your vehicle that you dont breath . You have vapors in your garage that is a enclosed space . Not having to go to gas stations and breath those vapors . It's a human health factor that seems to be ignored

[@jeremypearson6852]

EV’s in the US is a hard sell due to long driving distances. In Europe, many people use public transport or commute short distances. That makes EV’s more attractive. If you live in a big city like NY or Boston I can see how an EV might make sense, but not in the middle of Texas.

[@Greenspaceservices]

China is huge geographically. EV is cheaper to operate and now cheaper than Ice vehicle. The reason for EV is Ice burning fossil fuels is killing us every breath we take.

[@DanielBrklyn]

If it was about the environment we would be counting carbon emissions like we count money in our bank account. It has nothing to do with the environment. It's about selling cars and fueling capitalism.

[@squid_fish]

Always has; always will.

[@Rodrigo_Gatti]

I agree it has nothing to do with environment. But I believe is has to do with national security. Vast majority of oil export countries are not allies of US, western Europe, japan and others

[@Djamonja]

Losing billions of dollars trying to sell EVs because of Government requirements is not Capitalism.

[@Djamonja]

@@danielcuperstein7349 I agree, but it doesn't change the fact that neither is Capitalism, it's Government.

[@krakken-]

If the US let in Chinese autos without 100% tariffs, the US would be all EV in less than 5 years. There are great EVs from China less than $20k. Having to compete with that would drive US auto makers to quickly provide affordable EVs if they wanted to survive.

[@phil_ang]

And you really believe Chinese made EV's will be of good quality especially with after-sales service? With that kind of price-point, there is always a negative flip-side that very few realize.

[@joecool9739]

China tofu dreg temu quality

[@Mi-Chis]

@@krakken- thanks to lobbying of us automakers the us was always making the import of more efficient and economical vehicles extra hard or impossible. Same with ice cars for decades. Same with European countries and Japan…

[@Mi-Chis]

@@phil_ang same argument was made about Japanese cars in the 80ies, Korean in the 90ies…

[@shootergavin3541]

I might buy a chinese made product at Walmart for 30 bucks but I am NOT buying a Chinese car for any price in the US. There are a lot of people like me here. American car culture is different as well. Many of us still love ICE over EV and we also like big trucks and SUV.

[@tallest4eva]

Cheaper EVs are possible, China is making them in droves. The legacy car companies are counting on a Trump administration so they dont have to. The West is putting in place tarrifs to make sure cheap Chinese EVs stay out rather than trying to compete. Lets see how that eorks out for them.

[@fender7802]

Wasn't it a Democratic senator that wrote a letter to Biden telling him to never let Chinese EVs into the country and especially the $10K Seagull? Pretty sure it's both parties of the government that don't want them, not just Trump.

[@akeshshi9137]

Any company can make cheap cars if their authoritarian government is subsidising it.

[@smithb0134]

In the US, EVs are only viable if you live in the southwest where you can power your home with solar or wind and you just drive them around town. Anywhere else, EVs are not worth it because you have to plug the car in to a source powered by fossil fuels.

[@noneofyourbusiness4830]

Is it necessary for the power to come from your home property? I'm sure some other states have nuclear or hydropower.

[@Boatmoviemaker]

Why put 40 % or 102 % tax on EVs from China if no one are interested to buy EV (even if the cost are lower than ICE) according to this guy?

[@sandrogzirishvili6800]

So you buy a european car even if it is ICE or hybrid. EU is very protectionist (not as much as china but still). Thats why. They dont want their ibdustries decimated by low payed chinese workers making cars and just dumping them in europe.

[@malteschaper3782]

The notion is that China is deflating the prices of their products (in this case EVs), so the tarifs come in to even the field.

[@soowo5942]

Brainwashed too much! European car makers sell millions of cars in China for decades. ​@@sandrogzirishvili6800

[@noneofyourbusiness4830]

Keep in mind that the Chinese taxpayer is paying for making Chinese products cheaper.

[@sharingtherealworld]

EVs are too expensive! EVs are not the cars of the people for the people.

[@MrRhix]

Oh, it's a matter of time. When the belt starts to get really tight, companies WILL make cheaper options. It's either that or people won't buy cause they can't afford it I'd say that a big chunk of EVs i see around lisbon are Zoes, why? Likely cause they're the cheaper option. Companies either wake up or most of the money will be filling one or two brand's pockets That's what i think tho. I'm no expert

[@Zulonix]

The idea is to get you to use only public transportation. Only party apparatchiks will have cars in the future.

[@rratschable]

This is a survival issue for OEMs, and if they drag their feet they will be the next Nokia or Kodak. EVs are inherently cheaper and easier to manufacture and maintain than ICE. They do have expensive material and software costs, but once you get these under control, your prices continue to fall with volume. Base Chinese EVs are already under $12000. When EV prices in the states drop significantly below the ICE counterpart, it will be over.

[@LAM_AUT_ECU]

I recently bought my first EV, it's fantastic. Yet I immediately realized the downsides of an EV that makes them useless for much of the population. I have 2 cars, the other one is gas-powered. If I need to make a road trip, I'd go for the gas-powered one, an EV is a "city and nearby" car if you want to avoid stress. I have a house, so charging is actually easier than driving to a gas station. But if I lived in a condo, it would be a hassle. Remember stagecoaches? They changed horses, not rested them. If batteries could be switched for loaded ones in 5 minutes, gas-powered cars would be a thing of the past within 5 years.

[@Htlghu]

The cost of the battery is as much as the cost of a car😅. Who will put it as a roadside exchange shop ?

[@stackchn]

Tens of millions of Americans households are apartment dwellers with no at home charging option. EV charging stations other than Teslas are an absolute hardware/software shitshow. EV's are the future but mainstream adoption is a decade away 🔋

[@shootergavin3541]

Car markets are so different in different countries. The US is very diverse. Many still love ICE over EV. For example, When Dodge decided to make EV Challengers over Hellcats, the bulk of the Hellcat owners are walking away. They EV motor will never replace a supercharged Hemi. The SUV and trucks are big in the US. Many buyers use them to pull RV and boats and other stuff. Yes EV trucks can pull that stuff but when they do, their range drops severely. True with ICE trucks but one can fill up a ICE tank in 5 minutes. How long does it take to charge a EV truck? EV is going to struggle a lot more in the US than other countries that have a different car culture.

[@eatcochayuyo]

This guy is spreading nonsense. Prices are dropping fast and there are huge masses of people buying more expensive combustion cars while having the possibility to charge at home. The problem is misinformation. Which this guy is spreading.

[@victorbier9328]

Exactly. So much BS to defend the pollution industry oligarchs interests, instead of building low cost EVs like China does.

[@TechGamesAU]

Quite literally there is no way for most Australians to even charge an EV since we park on the street. Working out they can’t replace every single vehicle is not rocket science.

[@chrisvanvoorst2125]

I think the cost factor of an EV is probably the biggest issue for most. I do find a lot of people over look the fact they can't fuel their cars at home, either (farmers excluded). We are brought up excepting we need to go to a Petrol station when we need fuel, right? In Brisbane, I can go to the Tesla super chargers (in the CBD) or by my local Woolies - and charge while I am shoping. But let's remember, charging at home is not a requirement to operate an EV - but a perk.

[@peter65zzfdfh]

Um what. Most people I know here have garages. In the UK where that’s more true there are chargers on the kerb. The problem in Australia mostly at the moment is just the up front cost. Eventually they will need more apartments with chargers etc, but that’s not the bottleneck at the moment. Lithium prices spiked hugely during the pandemic and EV prices went way up when they would otherwise have been getting cheaper. Also lots of people now drive much *less* so paying more up front for a vehicle that costs less to run is less appealing. Other countries where there are more EVs might start running into charger availability problems but with so few EVs in Australia that’s not it yet.

[@TechGamesAU]

@@peter65zzfdfh only 54% of Queenslanders park in a garage, that number drops to 40% in NSW.

[@Cecil-yc6mc]

@@TechGamesAU so it will be an impediment when BEV reaches those levels of market penetration. until then you are just spreading FUD.

[@TechGamesAU]

@@Cecil-yc6mc you realise there’s more than one reason people don’t buy ev, right? I’ve just mentioned one which alienates half the market on its own.

[@mylife70777]

Legacy automakers sure give this guys some money

[@makatogonzo]

A work horse pickup base model should not cost USD70k. What aspiring tradesman can afford that?

[@tsubadaikhan6332]

Have you seen what quality Tradesmen charge these days? They're not buying the Base Model either.

[@belizarius_997]

So people not buying small crossovers for the price of premium executives? How dare you, lol.

[@DiggyT]

Cost of living all time high, 10 year old car paid off, what a perfect time to buy a $50K EV. Kudos to this analyst, probably the most level headed explanation, of the EV market.

[@Simon-dm8zv]

Why would you buy new?

[@Simon-dm8zv]

Why would you buy new?

[@seanlander9321]

Resale is the problem, people have watched owners being burnt because of the rapidly developing technology.

[@io3000gamma]

All cars are depreciating assets. If resale is a problem, then buy and keep the car till end of life, lease (if you like new models every few years), or buy second hand and turn that “resale problem” to your advantage.

[@seanlander9321]

@@io3000gamma Erm, it’s the low price of the resale and competing against very much better, cheaper newer models that is putting buyers off EVs.

[@martiruda]

wow, economics 101

[@Takudza]

@@io3000gammait’s only with EVs that I have heard a big fuss about resale value. Before things getting cheaper was a good thing. Weird 🤔.

[@Aurelius150CE]

I just bought a new car a few months ago due to my ride being 19 years old with 250,000 miles on it. The EV equivalent of the car I bought would have been $20,000 dollars more. That is just 5K shy of what I paid for my new car. With lack of charging infrastructure in my area and the high price there is no way I would even consider a EV at this time. If the manufacturers want people to buy a EV they need to get the cost down to what there ICE versions cost or EV's will never become mainstream.

[@Greenspaceservices]

Teslas are already cheaper than an equivalent ICE. Lots of charging for road trips. Cheaper to operate and last longer. 🤷‍♂️

[@sandrogzirishvili6800]

They should also talk about depreciation of the evs. The fuel and repair costs you make are more often than nit offset by the accelerated depreciation

[@VanhA-db3kz]

I would like to but can't afford it. Thus will be using my gasoline version til it's done for and won't purchase another car anymore.

[@sommmeguy]

Most EVs are powered by coal and natural gas. They require a lot of nonrenewable energy toanufactire. They are not recyclable or easily repaired. They are not a renewable resource or a tool for renewable energy. The solution is not to swap ICB vehicles for EVs, it is to drive less. Les cars not more EVs.

[@noneofyourbusiness4830]

In this sense, the real solutions are: *Use public transportation. *Use bikes. *Allow mixed use building zoning. For example, having a grocery store on the 1st floor of an apartment building.

[@railwaystuff]

@@noneofyourbusiness4830 right on point

[@grigorioschristodoulou5229]

“You gotta convince the consumer that a plug is not a disruptor in their life”

[@Meeko2689]

I have zero to no instest on EVs, I drive a 2012 ford escape that bought for 5000 dollars, I have no car payment or debt even with high gas prices my monthly gas bill still way cheaper than a car payment

[@mhockey23]

This is one of the most honest and coherent discussions on EVs I've seen in mainstream media.

[@klompb]

My country has a perfectly fine charging network. The only thing holding me back is price. In these days of greedflation, food is becoming unaffordable. How am I to save up for an EV? Sort that out, and I will gladly drive electric.

[@ssdhusg6042]

Europe has never seen a political party serving the poor. I don’t know when the European version of the Communist Party will come to power.😂

[@malteschaper3782]

Sam, where are you from?

[@klompb]

@@malteschaper3782 the Netherlands

[@davidwalz94]

@@klompb It's like this in most "rich" countries. Sure, our quality of life is decent, but no way we spend 50k on a car. I have a great job and I can barely save a couple of hundred every month.

[@fredfred2363]

I can't afford a new EV. I don't want a used EV- Simply because the repair costs are WAY higher than regular used cars. Plus many other inconveniences.

[@Simon-dm8zv]

Just because you think repair costs are higher doesn’t mean that is the case.

[@madcow3417]

I commute 20 miles a day. I plug into my garage when I get home. A BEV is an obvious choice for me. It was cheap to buy ($11,000), and electricity is cheap at night. I'll bet at least 1/3 of drivers are in a similar situation, but they're still not buying them.

[@saeedboroomand830]

If a car needs on average 1kW power continuously(i.e. 24kWh each day), then 10 million cars would need 10GW, that is equivalent to a few more more power stations for an average country of say 50million people. It is also possible to incentivize charging at specific times and minimize the need and technically generate money out of inefficient use of current infrastructure. I am not sure if Toyota is objective when it comes to car industry :). But there is a bigger problem, even HEVs will not be safe for them down the road…

[@madcow3417]

@@saeedboroomand830 For reference, my car uses about 5kWh/day. Still, your point is valid. If 10 million people switched all at once then the infrastructure couldn't handle it. The duck curve will change as car and solar adoption increases and the rules change. I actually do most of my summer charging from solar, but it's a small poorly aimed system meant for something else. I plan on making a south-facing solar and battery system for car charging next year so I won't have to worry about electricity prices or shortages or anything.

[@tomhenry897]

Didn’t find an electric car that cheap in America unless farm rated

[@Robert-cu9bm]

I only need one seat for the majority of driving there didn't mean I'm going to get rid of the other seats. You need a car for the irregular activity not the majority. They may only do long drives once a month so why be completely inconvenienced by a EV

[@madcow3417]

@@tomhenry897 Look up used Nissan Leafs. This was in 2019 before the pandemic threw all the supply chains around and used cars were more expensive than new for a while.

[@okman9684]

People figure out that to save environment you don't have to drive a car electric or not. Pblic transport is the most environmentally friendly mode of transport

[@malteschaper3782]

15:50 Joe hit it in the end there: things you start now will affect the market/enviroment in years to come. That's why you don't have the time for a slow switch to full electric. The scenario that is painted here would have worked 30 years ago when we still had a little bit of time. Now we just don't have it anymore to be quite frank.

[@doubleclutchonline5811]

I never thought I'd own an EV. I believed all the anti-EV BS for years. Then I drove a Tesla, and it as clear that the experience would be better than with gas. Today, my Tesla and my Rivian are by far the two best cars that I have ever owned. Being able to fuel my vehicle at home, along with not having to get the oil changed, has given me back so much time.

[@nikolaslarson6891]

Of course the price counts!!! Who can put 60.000€ in a 2 tonne EV with 400 km autonomy and i need 1200 km... This is just BS.

[@malteschaper3782]

You need to be able to drive 1200km without a break? What do you do?

[@Simon-dm8zv]

@@malteschaper3782pee bottle?

[@pvb876287]

Pros environmentally favorable, quiet. Cons cost to much, batteries pollute, electronic failures, 100k usable life span, tires dont last from regen process, soceptable to climate extremes.

[@Impozalla]

I have an EV and I commute about 20 mi both ways from home to work. I charge my car once and it's good for the whole week. I've calculated that I saved about $10k from not using gasoline. And if you live in a state that has ridiculous and gasoline prices than an electric vehicle looks very enticing.

[@rogermartinez78]

With my electric Mini Cooper versus my gas VW GTI I think I save about three thousand dollars per year and my round trip to work is about 50 miles a day.

[@tomhenry897]

Few people drive that little And at 50K take years to see any savings then need 10k to replace the battery

[@nyxline]

EV Depreciate $20,000 To $50,000 the 1st Year 😂😂😂😂 where's your savings you are under Water if you buy an EV you only get ED😂😂😂

[@rogermartinez78]

@@nyxline quit being a cheap skate, get what you like and quit bitching!

[@amenemhurt8817]

The biggest setback in adopting EVs in the US is lack of enough public charging infrastructure.

[@cani006]

It is a process. Nobody wanted to buy diesel cars when first came out but soon took over the market. It will take time.

[@timcassedy3367]

This video makes several great points. Policy makers need to think in terms of use cases. A person who has a garage and available charging is one use case. Somebody who lives in a high-rise in New York City is another. Someone who typically drives long distances is another. We need to think about how to minimize carbon usage for each one of these use cases. We need to think about how changes might increase the number of use cases appropriate for fully electric cars. I like the idea of using carbon load incentives as our policy. This way things like hybrids, fully electric and extremely efficient ice cars will all compete to attain the lowest overall carbon levels for the various use case requirements.

[@DumpTheDollar]

European and American vehicle makers and their media should stop kidding themselves. Outside their protected market EV sales are surging, and ICE car sales have tanked.

[@Robert-cu9bm]

Oh yes the manufacturers just haven't realised they are selling tons of EVs. I think they know exactly how much they are selling in each.

[@icu17siberia]

So why the obsession with the Us markets then?

[@omeryehezkely3096]

Except of 2 models from Tesla Americans don't really have EVs to buy. In markets without "protective" taxes EVs are indeed booming and it is expected that by 2030, BEV will be better than ICE cars in every way. Within 10 years your tax money will save your favorite, yet bankrupted car companies. Again.

[@_AdventureClub_]

Solar charging and self charging...yes. Plug-in charging is a waste of time, it will never be a thing for a daily car!

[@martinwhitney9343]

goverments have let the EV industry down with a lack of investment to upgrade the power grid. time to pull your fingers out.

[@davidgaskin5417]

The most i have ever been able to pay for a car is around 2000 euros. How on earth will i ever be in a position to buy an ev?

[@edwardxuereb1222]

Unfortunately the EV transition has been tarnished with geopolitics. There is a lot of misinformation. Although EVs may not apply for everyone's need, they are a feasible choice. There are a variety of models to choose from that are less than Euro 40,000. The waiting period in charging times can be mitigated by routine planning, as we plan to charge our mobile phones. Understandably, there will always be those who prefer ICE cars and fill the fuel tank quickly when required, or in those instances where charging stations are less accessible. However it is a fact that the longer one uses an EV, the more one saves on fuel costs.

[@robk1003]

In the UK, if you charge at home, you save money. But public charging is extremely expensive, and is far more than the equivalent petrol or diesel vehicle.

[@qwertyuiop2994]

Bev is not ready

[@rogermartinez78]

I purchased an EV about two years and since then I quit sending my money to the oil sheiks in the middle east, between not buying gas and oil changes alone i save about $3000 per year.

[@tomhenry897]

Must be a Democrat What do think the electricity you charge your car with is made from Unicorns

[@Luke-PlanesTrainsDogsnCars]

Ironically when you come to trade in your EV it will be worth $3000 less every year you owned it over an ICE . So you wont be ahead unfortunately.

[@lcwpg]

@@Luke-PlanesTrainsDogsnCars if you go trace in your ice car after 3 years its worth nothing as well..unless of course buy a toyota which not everyone want a toyota..so if you buy a car drive it for 10 years why care what value after that lol

[@icu17siberia]

so now you send money to power companies and impact the grid?

[@Cecil-yc6mc]

@@icu17siberia the grid belongs to all

[@pxidr]

Answer will not come from German manufacturers that overprice their EVs. French manufacturers are doing good moves with smaller and cheaper EVs, like the Chinese

[@jonasaabel]

Word salad. EV's will eventually win. It's a more simple, reliable and energy efficient construction than ICE. Prices will come down massively. Soon we will have EVs with 1000km+ range. That is more than any ICE vehicle.

[@jimmysusanto6582]

BYD already hv the ev with price 10k usd, so cheap.

[@arnidexian5834]

energy efficiency doesn't work in many scenarios coz it's only on paper, in reality you'd have to calculate electricity production losses from fossil fuels, transportation losses and engine losses, also don't forget about EV at cold temp where you'd have to spend electricity on heating which you get on ICE "for free'. In the end you might talk about efficiency for EV only if you get 100% of energy from solar and temp is about spring/autumn time (in Europe). EV eventually won't take 100% space coz so far there's no chance to store easily and transport lot's of energy on further distances. F.e. places without infrastructure and electricity like Siberia, how would you deliver energy to a car stucked at the middle of nowhere ? power bank with tons of power? or few gallons of fuel which is relatively super light

[@viljamikoivunen6297]

I have Volvo S40 with 2.0 diesel motor as daily. With full tank range is 1100km. More than on any EV at market. Tax payers shouldn't Be ones to pay for low quality EV's and bail out companies which make products that consumers don't want

[@sarcasmo57]

I want a small ute style ev. There are none yet.

[@maartenvinkhuyzen9878]

Typical American who thinks it is about marketing. It is about technology and price. In the second half of this decade most private cars will be mainly BEV because they are both cheaper and better. It is like the switch from CRT to LCD television. The moment the new product offers a better price performance ratio for an affordable price, the market flips. For trucks the market will flip around the end of this decade, the beginning of the next. The secret is that battery prices are getting lower. They will get to $25/kWh at the end of this decade. A Ford F250 with a 200kWh battery can have a complete power-train at $6,000. That is cheaper and better than what is offered today.

[@LILEE376]

The media, the influencers, the car makers are searching for the main reason behind the very weak, frozen sales of the EV market. They are searching for everything but the huge pricetag, the affordability, the price per value ration. Good luck for the searching.

[@ChristianThePagan]

For one thing the US car market (except maybe California) is not really a normal car marked when compared to the rest of the world so one should take care when using the US car market as an indicator of where he rest of the planet is moving. The global car market is moving toward EVs, and there is no stopping it. If plugin-hybrids are the copium people ned to move to some form ov BEV then that's what it takes. Also, fun fact, the most common repair performed on prulg-in hybrids is not the electric engine, not the solid state electronics, not battery replacements, it's repairs to the ICE power train that has atrophied from lack of use because running it in full electric mode is just way cheaper in most places than buying gas. He talks a lot about achieving production volume US and EU car manufacturers are going to have to take the plunge, eat the costs building up BEV production volume. Why is that? Because that's what the Chinese are doing right now. They are going to flood western markets with affordable EVs and if they do that the US/EU car manufacturers are going the way of the dinosaurs unless they roll up their sleeves and move into EVs in a big way and if that means matching the Chinese government's subsidies dollar for dollar, euro for euro to neutralise Chinese dumping then that's what it takes.

[@pvb876287]

Im a mechanic. Ive never bought a new car and never bought a car from a used car dealer. Dealers are crooks and cars are junk. Look at all the junk yards overflowing with lemons and junk

[@sarojdhakal21]

my country has a booming ev market

[@robertanderson809]

Too big, too powerful, too costly. For me, 45mph and 100 miles a week are fine and such a small power could be met with its own roof solar panels and a small battery.

[@joedegabriele6256]

Current EVs are still test models. The tech is not fully developed

[@isleter88]

The battery tech is indeed still in infancy

[@Tom-dt4ic]

This guy is making the classic mistake of thinking linearly when disruptive technologies always move exponentially. He'd be closer to being right about the rate of EV adoption if battery technology was standing still. But it most decidedly is not! Six hundred mile battery capacity, and much quicker charging is already a thing in China, and will soon be all over the world. And prices are also coming down, way down. And the charging infrastructure is also growing at a very healthy clip. So the reasons not to by an EV, which is already a vastly superior car, are evaporating by the month. This is how it worked with home computers, and digital photography, and cell phones, etc. And this is how it’s working with EV adoption right now. It’s just kind of hard sometimes, with our linear minds, when we’re smack dab in the middle of an exponential changeover -- you think it’s going slow, when in fact it’s going really, really fast. Just look at how far we’ve come in the last five, ten years with all these technologies, EV’s included.

[@NortyNige]

Maybe you should go outside and take a good hard long look at the transmission cables, poles and distribution then find out how old a lot of it is? How well it is taking the strain of multiple people wanting to get a fast charge when the system is incapable of delivery. Personally I have far more important things to do with my life than sit around waiting for an over sized battery to charge when I could be productive in other ways.

[@GruffSillyGoat]

@@NortyNige - do you worry about buying a new oven or washing machine and plugging that into the mains? Home charging EVs doesn't consume more electricity than normal large home appliances. The grid can cope, having EV's charging overnight help to balance the grid making power generation more efficient. It's ultrafast chargers that the some countries's grid operators are concerned about (mostly in the USA and Japan, with their aging mishmash of grids), but even here using localised grid battery buffers helps to even out peak loads of many cars charging an the busiest points in the day. There are solutions to these problems that are in progess. Also, the thing with charging an EV is you don't have to wait around, it's not like an ICE vehicle and where you has to babysit whilst feeding the thing. The car just gets on with whilst you do something more important (eat, shop, sleep, etc.). ICE cars are time hogs compared to EVs.

[@robk1003]

Home car chargers run at 7kW for hours on end. So the electricity distribution companies will have to install cables which allow all houses to run at extra 7kW at the same time. The other big users of electricity at home such as kettles or showers are only used for short periods, so the electricity companies know that only a few are used at any one time, which causes less of a problem.

[@GruffSillyGoat]

@@robk1003 - the average EV is charged only once or twice a week, for a four or five hours overnight on those occasions during low energy usage times - this matches average weekly driving and energy consumption. It's a complete myth that EVs will use 7kW of electricity continuously and need new cables to be run to accomodate such. I live in a rural area, the aerial power cables haven't been updated in over a decade yet more than easitly cope with charging many of the EV in the area. Heck they even cope with the 10 or so local farmers running their electric grain dryers 24/7 continuously for three weeks on end and the extra EV load now present. Further, with Vehicle to home and vehicle to grid technologies, the actual demand pattern off electricity will shift from peak afternoon/evening to a more balanced throughout the day pattern with smart charging. Meaning grids will actually be able to cope better than before EVs were around.

[@markloubser2433]

An EV is an inconvenient and expensive alternative to an IC car. So thats the answer. Simple......

[@peter65zzfdfh]

Expensive yes, but for a lot of people they’re more convenient as they only ever charge at home and don’t need to waste time going out of the way to refuel. They’re becoming especially popular on large properties here that might be an hour to half a day drive from the nearest gas station.

[@PYROFLOWROCKETSTOVES]

Hating my ev these days

[@RandomAussieGuy87]

How come? And why did you buy it originally?

[@IrenESorius]

VERY FEW CAN AFFORD THEM OR HOME CHARGE THEM.

[@paulc6766]

Where I live 93% of people live in a house with easy home charging possible

[@radu1337]

Few people can afford them, they are too expensive, and anti repair practices means you cannot replace faulty battery cells, which means huge maintenance costs down the line.

[@a-c3po]

Is DW truly a professional news agency? There are lots of videos filled with biased imagination.

[@Aequalis-r6h]

12:19 this dude is wrong we need more EVs infrastructure

[@silversurfer8237]

How many more droughts and mass forest fires must we suffer before people really appreciate that we must stop burning fossil fuels where possible.

[@ObiePaddles]

EV sales have gone up this year compared with same period last year. Sometimes governments need to help with policy. No exhaust emissions mean less deaths and so savings in healthcare etc.. And as for pricing we are already at price equivalency. Now that we have that the ‘expert’ says it’s not about the price.

[@xjet]

*"Toyota never gets it wrong, they always get it right"*

[@Luke-PlanesTrainsDogsnCars]

Mirai was never meant to be a mass market vehicle.

[@lcwpg]

thats a whole cluster screw up but of course they wont mention it hahahahahahahaha mirai owners even thinking of suing toyota for false promise lol

[@Cecil-yc6mc]

@@Luke-PlanesTrainsDogsnCars LOL. Keep drinking the koolaid

[@Luke-PlanesTrainsDogsnCars]

@@Cecil-yc6mc 🤡

[@alexanderdrechsel6858]

I've seen cases when people intending to buy EVs got screwed by German politics. If the government is not willing to support the change to EV, you can't blame the customers.

[@uraniamike]

I would not have an ev. Give me a car from the pre-computer era that won't spy on me

[@andis9076]

So u dont have cellphone 😅?

[@Robert-cu9bm]

​@@andis9076 So you would be fine with a stalker then cos a phone spy's on you. Just because once is doing it it doesn't make it acceptable for others

[@lcwpg]

@@andis9076 that is why i say ppl are dumb, they have phone they uses either apple or android they all know everything and yet ppl still think they are free from everything lmao

[@Ilikecheeseandcrackers]

I believe they are coming around just incredibly slowly.. so many years of gas guzzling is hard to break.. people don’t trust the battery life/range of EVs yet