Exact Solution of the Nonlinear Pendulum [No Approximations, engis gtfo]

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Flammable Maths

Flammable Maths

Күн бұрын

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@ilikepizza9889
@ilikepizza9889 4 жыл бұрын
"I'm not gonna explain the double angle formula" a minute later "we can change the order because addition is commutative"
@riccardoorlando2262
@riccardoorlando2262 4 жыл бұрын
tWo Is NoT zErO bEcaUsE iT's ThE sUcCeSsOr Of OnE
@PapaFlammy69
@PapaFlammy69 4 жыл бұрын
xDDD
@wikipediaboyful
@wikipediaboyful 4 жыл бұрын
@@PapaFlammy69 we love you
@jordanweir7187
@jordanweir7187 4 жыл бұрын
such a good comment lol, keeled over immediately
@monkerud2108
@monkerud2108 4 жыл бұрын
tbh that the sign of greatness right there.
@amandeep9930
@amandeep9930 4 жыл бұрын
The easiest method to solve the equation completely : Let us define a special function £(t) as a solution of this equation. Hence £(t) is the solution of the equation. QED
@yevgeniygorbachev5152
@yevgeniygorbachev5152 4 жыл бұрын
Initial conditions are always zero. I would expect a mathematician to know that.
@shayanmoosavi9139
@shayanmoosavi9139 4 жыл бұрын
It's basically what he did though. That K(k) IS a special function.
@edmundsmaths3980
@edmundsmaths3980 4 жыл бұрын
You have to prove a solution exists before you can do that
@amandeep9930
@amandeep9930 4 жыл бұрын
@@edmundsmaths3980 Since the function f(x,y,z)=(-g/l)sin(y) satisfies a Lipschitz condition in every subdomain of R^3 and it is continuous hence a corollary of existence and uniqueness theorem guarantees that there exists a unique solution of the given equation for every initial condition, and which is defined for all x in R ( I am taking x for independent variable and y for dependent variable)
@amandeep9930
@amandeep9930 4 жыл бұрын
@@davidherrera4837 You are right, and even if it is proved that a given differential equation does not a solution which can be expressed implicitly or explicitly as a combination of elementary functions we only do it in some very specific cases. Some of the reasons are - (1). The new function appears very frequently in other important areas. (2). The new function has some very interesting properties (3) There exists a representation of the function which makes it easily to do calculations with it etc Otherwise defining a new special function is pointless.
@appa609
@appa609 3 жыл бұрын
Mathematicians: "we have an exact solution to this differential equation!" Also Mathematicians: *invents a new function to deal with an integral they can't simplify*
@DenuCat
@DenuCat 3 жыл бұрын
elliptical integrals go brrr
@JoonasD6
@JoonasD6 3 жыл бұрын
It's kinda a theme. Same with having sin(x). We don't have a human-calculatable exact expression for that. :( We're so used to f(x)= , but have to do with sin(x)= .
@johnnyq4260
@johnnyq4260 3 жыл бұрын
And call them "special functions"
@NateROCKS112
@NateROCKS112 3 жыл бұрын
@@JoonasD6 even real number exponentiation is defined as a^b = exp(b log(a)), which is an infinite series. (And all exponentiation like this uses some sort of limit.)
@xXJ4FARGAMERXx
@xXJ4FARGAMERXx 3 жыл бұрын
We have an exact solution to the diameter of a circle! *Invents the character pi*
@ekxo1126
@ekxo1126 4 жыл бұрын
"exact approximation"
@PapaFlammy69
@PapaFlammy69 4 жыл бұрын
yeye
@vadymfedyukovych8660
@vadymfedyukovych8660 18 күн бұрын
rumors are, chained pendulum would give even better exact function
@Dudeinator
@Dudeinator 4 жыл бұрын
As an engineer I have a really cool way to do this... Simulink
@PapaFlammy69
@PapaFlammy69 4 жыл бұрын
xD
@InfiniteMonkeysSA
@InfiniteMonkeysSA 4 жыл бұрын
Engineers: haha simulation goes brrrrrrrr
@beneze3286
@beneze3286 4 жыл бұрын
let dt = 0.01
@missquprison
@missquprison 4 жыл бұрын
@@beneze3286 0.001 is absolute minimum tho?
@beneze3286
@beneze3286 4 жыл бұрын
@@missquprison yep. To quote Einstein: "any more than 1e-3 and you're not really gaining anything and to be honest 1e-2 is prolly alright"
@missquprison
@missquprison 4 жыл бұрын
Einstein didnt have computers that would do calculations in less than a seconds.
@beneze3286
@beneze3286 4 жыл бұрын
@@missquprison oh shit , my bad. James C Maxwell
@wernerviehhauser94
@wernerviehhauser94 4 жыл бұрын
Ahhh, memories.... solved this equation in the late 90s, but haven't really used any advanced math since I graduated 20 years ago. Its really a sting if you know you once were able to do this, but can't remember how.
@PapaFlammy69
@PapaFlammy69 4 жыл бұрын
oh boi ^^'
@aadiduggal1860
@aadiduggal1860 2 жыл бұрын
If 20 years from now I never had to use this sort of math, I'd be ecstatic.
@PlasmaFuzer
@PlasmaFuzer Жыл бұрын
Right in the feels....
@westondavis1682
@westondavis1682 8 ай бұрын
Preach it. I had a really full toolbox of math. Sadly they have all rusted solid to the point of being unrecognizable. Now I have a new toolbox filled with medicine. Getting old sucks.
@lukasjuhrich503
@lukasjuhrich503 4 жыл бұрын
4:55 „We can multiply both sides by two, because it's ≠0, because it's the successor of one“ *cries in characteristic 2*
@NightWanderer31415
@NightWanderer31415 3 жыл бұрын
LOL
@javiergilvidal1558
@javiergilvidal1558 3 жыл бұрын
In characteristic 2 there's no notion of a "successor", because a field with a finite characteristic cannot be ordered
@victorsuarez4333
@victorsuarez4333 4 жыл бұрын
I love when a differential equation has an exact solution especially one that describes real world phenomena. Super cool, thanks for sharing!
@PapaFlammy69
@PapaFlammy69 4 жыл бұрын
@mokouf3
@mokouf3 4 жыл бұрын
Finally! Elliptic integral! Yeah! This is the one I waited for a long time!
@PapaFlammy69
@PapaFlammy69 4 жыл бұрын
:)) Finally got around doing it! =D
@siddharthpandya7763
@siddharthpandya7763 4 жыл бұрын
Same..me too . Finally papa did it
@kerim7158
@kerim7158 4 жыл бұрын
0:13 Solves differential equations, but unable to read time so says 8 am
@blrs4301
@blrs4301 4 жыл бұрын
🤣🤣🤣
@SkiingBiologyGod
@SkiingBiologyGod 4 жыл бұрын
It is 8 am, if you're an engineer.
@ianmoseley9910
@ianmoseley9910 4 жыл бұрын
Insert Identity Here If you are an astronomer it is half past Tuesday week
@pedrorojasfernandez2671
@pedrorojasfernandez2671 3 жыл бұрын
JAJAJAJAJA
@martinmadrazzi8629
@martinmadrazzi8629 4 жыл бұрын
easier way: use the well known result from the fundamental theorem that sin(φ)=φ for all φ. :)))
@smoked8471
@smoked8471 4 жыл бұрын
Fundamental theorem of engineering
@monersus3767
@monersus3767 4 жыл бұрын
That's exactly what i was doing, when he uploaded the video i was working on this question for my physics problem sheet😂
@adriancordones
@adriancordones 4 жыл бұрын
Not all, only small angles.
@gregoriousmaths266
@gregoriousmaths266 4 жыл бұрын
@@adriancordones all angles are small
@NateROCKS112
@NateROCKS112 4 жыл бұрын
@@adriancordones you need to say the magic words first: "let phi be small."
@no-better-name
@no-better-name 4 жыл бұрын
"Exact solution of the nonlinear pendulum" engies: yeehaw "engies gtfo" engies: *Genuine Anger*
@kurtmandelbrot8485
@kurtmandelbrot8485 4 жыл бұрын
there is no exact solution at all, because no closed solution exists for the complete elliptic integral of the first kind
@no-better-name
@no-better-name 4 жыл бұрын
@@kurtmandelbrot8485, i am not exactly a mathematician (we've just started integrals at school) and this is just a TF2 joke, but i've had one case of finding no closed form solutions (indefinite integral of x^x - not a school assignment, just for fun). The 2 things I have in my arsenal - integration by parts and substitution (thanks handbook) - did nothing. I looked it up and apparently there are no closed form solutions. Interesting stuff, I'll try to learn some more by myself
@MrAlRats
@MrAlRats 4 жыл бұрын
@@kurtmandelbrot8485 What do you mean? The complete elliptic integral of the first kind IS the solution.
@kurtmandelbrot8485
@kurtmandelbrot8485 4 жыл бұрын
@@MrAlRats yes it is a solution, but impossible to solve without numerical methods, and numerical methods are approximations
@kostgir9380
@kostgir9380 3 жыл бұрын
@@kurtmandelbrot8485 This is Mathematical problem not engineering. To design a bridge you dont need that. We learned the exact solutions in a course of theoretical mechanics at University.
@garvett6660
@garvett6660 4 жыл бұрын
Me: *reads the title Also me: *sees “No approximations” Me once again: *C O N F U S E D S C R E A M I N G*
@erikshad7304
@erikshad7304 4 жыл бұрын
by changing the second order equation to a first order one, you have actually transformed the newton's second law to conversion of energy. there is also a useful identity (or lemma) which is the same thing as you did and looks a little nicer in my opinion: d/dφ[[dφ/dt]²]=2[d²φ/dt²] one of my teachers used to call this "lemma one" cause he used it a lot. loved the video!
@aniksamiurrahman6365
@aniksamiurrahman6365 8 ай бұрын
How did you write mathematical expression and superscript in KZbin comment?
@volbla
@volbla 8 ай бұрын
​@@aniksamiurrahman6365 Superscripts actually exist as plain characters in the unicode standard. My phone's keyboard has shortcuts to them by long pressing a number, ²³⁴. Also some simple fractions, ½ ⅕ ⅔. Typing them on a computer seems more tricky for some reason. Alt-codes is an old and primitve method. You can access special characters by holding down the alt key and typing some number combination on the numpad (at least on windows), but it requires you memorize a bunch of number combinations. I don't know if there are any simple virtual keyboards that let you define your own shortcuts. There really should be! I'm not sure what else you mean by mathematical expression. If it's the φ that's just a greek letter. You can install languages and change the keyboard layout on any regular computer. On windows the shortcut to change layout is alt+shift.
@romdotdog
@romdotdog 8 ай бұрын
​@@aniksamiurrahman6365 ² is a Unicode character.
@A_Random_Ghost
@A_Random_Ghost 8 ай бұрын
@@aniksamiurrahman6365 Should be on a phone.
@Bnelen
@Bnelen 4 жыл бұрын
Bless Papa
@PapaFlammy69
@PapaFlammy69 4 жыл бұрын
@garvett6660
@garvett6660 4 жыл бұрын
All hail the superior emperor of mathematical anal
@mattmolewski7475
@mattmolewski7475 4 жыл бұрын
Me: Boy, I really need to do some research on Dirac's equation for this term paper that's coming up. *5 minutes later* Me: Oh hey, a 20-minute math video that's completely unrelated. Is he gonna do the phi dot trick? Yeah, he's gonna do the phi dot trick.
@ArdiSatriawan
@ArdiSatriawan 4 жыл бұрын
0:13 It is 8 AM, with some error.
@baguettegott3409
@baguettegott3409 4 жыл бұрын
I will never stop being uncomfortable with everybody in the comment section calling him "papa" lol.
@PapaFlammy69
@PapaFlammy69 4 жыл бұрын
:D
@SjS_blue
@SjS_blue 3 жыл бұрын
Whenever you read the words papa flammy, think of a papa smurf that can spit fire while doing math. Did you laugh ?
@PranabXOF
@PranabXOF 8 ай бұрын
​@@SjS_blue Yes
@Xeno87
@Xeno87 4 жыл бұрын
This video is basically: How to find an exact solution to the nonlinear pendulum? Forget to find a function that solves the differential equation and just determine one constant!
@Reliquancy
@Reliquancy 4 жыл бұрын
Every explanation I found on Google does the same thing, they just find the period with respect to the length and that’s it. Maybe it’s obvious how that relates to theta(t) idk.
@SpeakMouthWords
@SpeakMouthWords 4 жыл бұрын
@@Reliquancy theta(t) = theta_0 * cos(2t*pi/T)
@АликСеидов-б9з
@АликСеидов-б9з 4 жыл бұрын
@@SpeakMouthWords, the exact solution is Jacobi amplitude function.
@SpeakMouthWords
@SpeakMouthWords 4 жыл бұрын
@@АликСеидов-б9з Of course, the sinusoidal solution would only be small angle - my mistake. What do you say to the guy above saying there's no closed form solution?
@АликСеидов-б9з
@АликСеидов-б9з 4 жыл бұрын
@@SpeakMouthWords probably he meant, that there is no solution in elementary functions. Of course the Jacobi amplitude is a closed form solution, strictly speaking.
@braedenlarson9122
@braedenlarson9122 4 жыл бұрын
So cool! I just covered this in my physics class for the simple approximation with calculus, so it’s really nice to see the actual differential equation as a supplement! Nice work 🔥
@SuperSilver316
@SuperSilver316 4 жыл бұрын
This is one of those “exercise left to the reader type situations” isn’t it.
@shayanmoosavi9139
@shayanmoosavi9139 4 жыл бұрын
Yeah it's one of "those" things😂😂 The authors just assume that you know all these stuff because *obviously* everyone took an advanced pure math course and got a PhD in it before becoming a physics major right?
@sharpfang
@sharpfang 4 жыл бұрын
@@shayanmoosavi9139 In fact "it gets so ugly I always get lost in it, so I'm not touching it. You're on your own."
@u.v.s.5583
@u.v.s.5583 4 жыл бұрын
This inthegeral is therivial!
@quantumsoul3495
@quantumsoul3495 2 ай бұрын
​@@shayanmoosavi9139This is first year bach mathematics level
@shayanmoosavi9139
@shayanmoosavi9139 2 ай бұрын
@quantumsoul3495 I'm not a mathematician so I don't care when it's being taught. I don't like the hand wavey "proofs" of Physics but at the same time I don't like the overly abstract approach of mathematics which makes me even more lost than the Physics approach. I only go as deep to the point of me saying "oh, cool. So that's where it came from." and then I'll never touch that area until I need it again.
@Wydad_forza
@Wydad_forza 3 жыл бұрын
This is hands down one the most beautiful things i ve seen in this website , so beautiful and elegant ❤️
@Private_Duck
@Private_Duck 4 жыл бұрын
Just turned on mobile data. Papa flammy's notification was the first thing to pop up... God wills it.
@peterfireflylund
@peterfireflylund 4 жыл бұрын
This is the way.
@dufus_booger9346
@dufus_booger9346 4 жыл бұрын
"I like your funny words magic man"
@yevgeniygorbachev5152
@yevgeniygorbachev5152 4 жыл бұрын
Engineering student here. I actually like this kind of thing.
@comptevideo5879
@comptevideo5879 4 жыл бұрын
The prophecy was true ! There is a chosen one among the egineering students... ! It is said that he will be the first to ask himself where things come from and be tired of look-up tables..... It's time for the king to rise !
@PrimatoFortunato
@PrimatoFortunato 4 жыл бұрын
Bro, do you even brrrrr?
@Kevinfreddo
@Kevinfreddo 4 жыл бұрын
I’ll stick with the small angle approximation
@PapaFlammy69
@PapaFlammy69 4 жыл бұрын
:D
@Kirillissimus
@Kirillissimus 3 жыл бұрын
Then just do what all practical people do and use the universal replacements that work for all the right equations: ∫=∑, ∞=1e6, π=3.14, dt=1e-3. This is enough even for the so called special functions that are just shortcuts for their simple formulas. It is enough to model everything you need. If the replacements do not work or if an equation has any independant variables apart from "t" then it is a clear indication that the equation is just wrong to begin with and is not even worth solving. And don't listen to any mathematicians - they are all crazy.
@xXJ4FARGAMERXx
@xXJ4FARGAMERXx 3 жыл бұрын
@@Kirillissimus square root of -5? That doesn't exist! And don't come here with your special ι or whatever, that's cheating! If you can say they exist you just have to multiply by this "imaginary number" then i can also say that π/shit=0 so long as you let this "shit" be an "imaginary number"
@Kirillissimus
@Kirillissimus 3 жыл бұрын
@@xXJ4FARGAMERXx This one is simple: π/∞=3.14/1e6=3.14e-6 < dt --> π/∞=0. Some "magic numbers" are here for a reason. One just has to remember that magic does not really exist. As for the so called "imaginary numbers" - don't even get me started. They are just a misleding way to define circular rotation, an extra dimension and vector operations all thoroughly mixed togehter and seasoned with a tiny drop of pure insanity. Mathematicians only love them because of the compact notation and today with digital computers available everywhere to keep everything together automagically and to shuffle all the mess around you don't really need any of that nonsense.
@xXJ4FARGAMERXx
@xXJ4FARGAMERXx 3 жыл бұрын
@@Kirillissimus (didn't expect you to reply, "a surprise to be sure, but a welcome one.")
@cloudvariable9910
@cloudvariable9910 2 жыл бұрын
For those of you confused by the part where he discusses the bounds of integration and where the period comes into play, don't worry, I was too. On the one side you have bounds of the form t1,t2 but on the other you have bounds of the form φ(t1),φ(t2). This is the part where, if you go about it a different way (play around with fixing those bounds in different ways and you'll see what I mean) you'll come across the problem of trying to invert that elliptic integral as a function of the upper bound to get φ(t), which will lead you to the definition of the Jacobi amplitude function am(u,k). You can then write φ(t) out explicitly in terms of the amplitude function and some sine and inverse sine functions. I'll pull a 21st century Fermat here and say "The solution is too long to here include in unicode"
@tgwnn
@tgwnn 3 жыл бұрын
Everyone else: "x is 2" Jens: "x IS NOTHING BUT 2"
@Jim-be8sj
@Jim-be8sj 4 жыл бұрын
Request: Solve the system of non-linear differential equations describing the double pendulum. :)
@alhusseinjamil7526
@alhusseinjamil7526 4 жыл бұрын
This is probably the first time I thought about trying the solution in the general case, it worked.. thanks for motivating me to do so !
@nikitakipriyanov7260
@nikitakipriyanov7260 3 жыл бұрын
Now try adding some dissipation.
@captainsnake8515
@captainsnake8515 4 жыл бұрын
I remember 3b1b mentioned this in his differential equations series and just writing down the equations took up the entire screen. This is going to be a fun one.
@poutineausyropderable7108
@poutineausyropderable7108 4 жыл бұрын
*GREAT VIDEO! I CAN'T WAIT FOR THE NEXT VIDEO ON THE SOLUTION TO THE ELLIPTIC INTEGRAL OF THE FIRST KIND!!* It's in cap and all bold, cause it's that great. I can't wait. This is something I've been waiting for for 3 years.
@ceo1OO
@ceo1OO Жыл бұрын
*Summary* - *The meat of the argument is that first step* : multiply through by derivatives that allow you to convert the existing ones to a form that makes the whole equation one big derivative wrt the independent variable... then do the *first integration* - after that, the *second integration* can be done by the usual methods: separate the variables and definite integrate both sides...
@nawafspov1
@nawafspov1 3 жыл бұрын
me: an engineer, likes this video, reads the title afterward, feels personally attacked, keeps the like cause the video is dope!
@PapaFlammy69
@PapaFlammy69 3 жыл бұрын
:DDD
@norn-sama3407
@norn-sama3407 Жыл бұрын
Ich bin so dankbar für dieses Video, ich bin im zweiten Semester und diese Differentialgleichung ist da in einer Übungsaufgabe und wir sind alle völlig verloren gewesen QwQ
@siddharthpandey5483
@siddharthpandey5483 4 жыл бұрын
Let's imagine a pendulum swings so fast that it does full 360 degree rotations. In this case there is no point at which the velocity is zero so do your initial conditions not exclude this scenario?
@serektaibah4091
@serektaibah4091 4 жыл бұрын
it can only do a 360 degree rotation if you give it a push initially but this problem assumes that at the begining the only force acting is gravity
@jarahfluxman20
@jarahfluxman20 4 жыл бұрын
This is interesting because when doing the approximation we see that the period of the pendulum is independent of the iniitial angle. But from your formula that doesn't seem to be the case. So when one considers it mathematically, one of the core principles of physics is wrong.
@mbrusyda9437
@mbrusyda9437 4 жыл бұрын
...when did it become a core principle of physics?
@Regenwulp6
@Regenwulp6 4 жыл бұрын
I really should get around to learn trig identities by heart, huh.
@Celastrous
@Celastrous 4 жыл бұрын
I love diff eq videos, especially ones with physics motivation
@unknownpalooza8475
@unknownpalooza8475 4 жыл бұрын
This is how a PRO teaches, this is all I've been waiting for,... algebras, calculus, and now....Physics(well of course the language of physics is mathematics) so mathematician can be possibly learn physics, Nice one papa flammy, that was really really EXCELLENT and BRILLIANT 😮👏👏👏 round of applause for Papa flammy
@shayanmoosavi9139
@shayanmoosavi9139 4 жыл бұрын
Well all the great physicists were also mathematicians. For example Newton, Laplace, Lagrange, Gauss, Euler, Fermat, etc.
@unknownpalooza8475
@unknownpalooza8475 4 жыл бұрын
@@shayanmoosavi9139 well if we are great at mathematics, we can also now explore the world of physics
@shayanmoosavi9139
@shayanmoosavi9139 4 жыл бұрын
@@unknownpalooza8475 yeah you definitely need to learn physics. You'll be blown away to see all of the abstract stuff that you learned in action :)
@unknownpalooza8475
@unknownpalooza8475 4 жыл бұрын
@@shayanmoosavi9139 yes you're definitely right :)
@antronixful
@antronixful Жыл бұрын
That's such a chud special function. I remember in a PDE course a friend had to skip a couple of classes due to drug stuff, and when he resume his regular schedule, the professor had introduced elliptical integrals and shit. My friend's face was the best things that happened to me during the undergrad days.
@PapaFlammy69
@PapaFlammy69 Жыл бұрын
:D
@peteabc1
@peteabc1 4 жыл бұрын
every analyst, any country: "this is nothing, but.."
@aloysiuskurnia7643
@aloysiuskurnia7643 4 жыл бұрын
Not to be offensive but, as an ex-mathematician(?) watching this video feels like Papa: *explains one line so fast* Me: *not getting it* Papa: *writes the next line* Me: *immediately understands whats going on* oh it's actually just that
@danvladoiu9365
@danvladoiu9365 3 жыл бұрын
The solution of the elliptic integral is "exact" in the same spirit that the value of pi is exact, so the title of the video is justified. Nice job and keep it up!
@jarogniewborkowski5284
@jarogniewborkowski5284 4 жыл бұрын
Finally I can see it here. Cool I am waiting for expending the eliptic integral. Best regards
@JTCano42
@JTCano42 4 жыл бұрын
Me: *reads the title of the video* Also me: THE FORBIDDEN OSCILLATOR!
@vutruongquang3501
@vutruongquang3501 3 жыл бұрын
exactly what i need, i'm wondering why the velocity derived from the energy equation is different from the velocity i get from differential equation and you're my savior this time XDDD definitely subcribe
@rome8726
@rome8726 4 жыл бұрын
Wow, the complete elliptic integral of the first kind. Thanks papa flammy.
@Carcharoth313
@Carcharoth313 3 жыл бұрын
Great - now do it with friction!
@maxwellsequation4887
@maxwellsequation4887 2 жыл бұрын
And general relativity
@89Nutzername89
@89Nutzername89 3 жыл бұрын
Why am I watching this in my freetime? And why can I follow this mans explanations? What’s wrong with my life?
@elefantsnablar
@elefantsnablar 4 жыл бұрын
7:47 that was incredibly smooth!
@akshatmehrotra9100
@akshatmehrotra9100 4 жыл бұрын
In 5 years, I will complete my undergrad and will be able to understand this stuff
@shayanmoosavi9139
@shayanmoosavi9139 4 жыл бұрын
It's undergrad stuff. You'll read it in analytical mechanics course.
@user-en5vj6vr2u
@user-en5vj6vr2u 4 жыл бұрын
hs nerd lmfao
@smrtfasizmu6161
@smrtfasizmu6161 4 жыл бұрын
Highschool level trigonometry and calculus from the last year of high-school is enough to understand this. Of course being able to follow him doesn't mean at all that you would have been able to do it on your own without seeing him do it.
@dhakshan
@dhakshan 4 жыл бұрын
Finally. Something our professor never wanted to show us. Physics student here
@alexznncxij
@alexznncxij Жыл бұрын
For those who doesn't like special functions, you can see that 1/sqrt(1-k²sin²(v)) converges for |k|
@sukritachanthip6982
@sukritachanthip6982 2 жыл бұрын
You are my savior!!! Heavenly thanks 🙏🏼
@michaelmello42
@michaelmello42 8 ай бұрын
Wonderful derivation! Fun fact: Knowing the small angle solution T= 2* \pi *\sqrt(l/g) we infer that lim_{k-->0} [4*K(k)] = 2*\pi or, lim_{k-->0} [K(k)] = \pi / 2., where k = sin[(\phi_0)/2]
@dank.
@dank. 8 ай бұрын
Yes! The small angle approximation is just a tangent line on the true solution, exactly true only at 0.
@laposgatti3394
@laposgatti3394 4 жыл бұрын
Watched this thinking all the time there's no way this bad boii ain't getting an elliptical integral. Isn't this just the mathematician way of sweeping under the carpet?
@Bobbel888
@Bobbel888 4 жыл бұрын
Excellent! There are also explicit solutions of angle over time with Jacobian elliptic functions, equivalent differential equations for physical pendulum.
@pondrthis1
@pondrthis1 3 жыл бұрын
When the video title says "engis gtfo" and u have a PhD in engineering. Time to end this man's whole career.
@PapaFlammy69
@PapaFlammy69 3 жыл бұрын
:DDD
@christianorlandosilvaforer3451
@christianorlandosilvaforer3451 3 жыл бұрын
why 86 dislikes this guy does nice... well done bruh greetings from colombia u r the greatest
@PapaFlammy69
@PapaFlammy69 3 жыл бұрын
@jorgenstudios3791
@jorgenstudios3791 2 жыл бұрын
I love that he threw there one "aber" :DD 18:52
@neilgerace355
@neilgerace355 4 жыл бұрын
That intro meme is really reaching back into the dusty recesses of my memory
@PunmasterSTP
@PunmasterSTP 3 жыл бұрын
Idk why, but "Papa Pythagoras" is a phrase I've never heard before, but one that I'm gonna use every time from now on.
@maypiatt3766
@maypiatt3766 4 жыл бұрын
Now add friction😎 Love this vid papa flammy keep up the good work
@shayanmoosavi9139
@shayanmoosavi9139 4 жыл бұрын
And also non-constant g :))
@Cyrusislikeawsome
@Cyrusislikeawsome 4 жыл бұрын
It's easier to solve with friction
@randomlife7935
@randomlife7935 4 жыл бұрын
Also take into account the heat generated into the pendulum because of the friction. Note that the heat changes over time ... Thermodynamics problem 😎
@AJ-et3vf
@AJ-et3vf Жыл бұрын
Great video. Thank you
@caldera99
@caldera99 4 жыл бұрын
The straight up madman!
@edmundsmaths3980
@edmundsmaths3980 4 жыл бұрын
Nice one! Looking forward to the video about the expansion
@mairisberzins8677
@mairisberzins8677 4 жыл бұрын
23:18 ... I feel cheated. Waited 23 minutes only to find out that it's approximated :(
@ebonilha
@ebonilha 4 жыл бұрын
It's not approximated, it's just that it has no closed-forms. The solution is exact
@PapaFlammy69
@PapaFlammy69 4 жыл бұрын
yup
@wowLinh
@wowLinh 4 жыл бұрын
@@ebonilha But I looked in the wiki for the "complete elliptic integral of the first kind" and basically it can be expressed as infinite power series. It is exact in the sense that you just define a "label" for an expression... "well, this nasty integral over here between these limits is going to be the "pendulum integral function""... There you have your exact solution. Same as with symbol PI. Now, give an exact numerical solution to any of those an all you will get is an approximation. As goos as you may want to keep on calculating terms, but an approximation. And do not take me wrong. I am not saying that the equation that describes the motion of a pendulum is not exactly defined by that integral... the problem is that we cannot calculate its exact value at any given 'k', just approximate it.
@felipecavalcante8419
@felipecavalcante8419 8 ай бұрын
what a beaultiful and elegant solution
@Rougarou99
@Rougarou99 4 жыл бұрын
Flammable Maths: Exact solution of the nonlinear pendulum. Physicists and Engineers: Wait, that’s illegal!
@colinpountney333
@colinpountney333 3 жыл бұрын
There is a way more elegant solution set out in Ian Stewart’s book “Does God Play Dice in a chapter titled “The One Way Pendulum”. Conservation of energy means that potential energy plus kinetic energy equals a constant. The solution then drops out using basic trig functions. Stewart goes on to consider a pendulum with so much energy it goes round and round in one direction ( a propellor), for which there is a neat model in phase space that looks like a U-bend in a toilet. Well worth reading.
@hbowman108
@hbowman108 3 жыл бұрын
He "uses conservation of energy": "phi dot squared" is just 2/m times kinetic energy.
@EnginAtik
@EnginAtik 4 жыл бұрын
This is also the formula for a rocket accelerating in space when the period tends to infinity. “Pendulum rocket fallacy” hardliners may disagree but the angle theta is exactly the angle between the rockets main axis and the thrust vector and one can just as easily put the rocket in a yaw/pitch spin pushing from below of pulling from the top.
@jdsahr
@jdsahr 8 ай бұрын
This solution method not only gives you the bound solution, but also the unbound solution (when the pendulum has enough energy to go "over the top".
@energyeve2152
@energyeve2152 17 күн бұрын
12:05 😂 I had to listen to that bad many times I heard “my boiz cocky integral” I had to look that up haha
@TheAztectaters
@TheAztectaters 4 жыл бұрын
Yes, I’ve been waiting for this.
@adb012
@adb012 4 жыл бұрын
I have a sweet-bitter aftertaste with these kind of solutions. I never felt that this is an "exact" solution, much less a "closed form". But I realize about the contradictions in my reasoning. On one hand, if we are going define K(k) as the solution to the last integral, why don't we just define P(t) as the solution to the pendulum differential equation and QED. I have a similar feeling when problems are "solved" using the Gamma function, the W function, etc... It feels like cheating, a slight of hand for "I don't know how to resolve this so let's just call it Gamma and look for ways to approximate its values with arbitrary precision" (something that is done in Gamma or K, but can aslo be done for Phi(t) in the original differential equation). However, I quickly realize that whenever we have a solution that involves sin(x), e^x, or even Pi, you are in the same situation. But those somehow don't feel like cheating.
@jacobharris5894
@jacobharris5894 8 ай бұрын
Sine and Cosine feel like much more natural functions that don’t come out of nowhere because although you numerically approximate them truncating infinite series, they have geometric definitions. In addition, certain values of the functions can be found without a series representation. e^x has a easy to understand motivation for it’s existence and it has a simple relationship with sine and cosine. From a numerical perspective though, these elementary functions really aren’t much better than a Bessel function or whatever. Especially if you have an infinite radius of convergence. It’s just easy to forget or not internalize this with modern computers and calculators. I used to feel the same as you but to honest as long as there is a series representation I’m happy because all elementary functions, except polynomials, are transcendental anyway.
@adb012
@adb012 8 ай бұрын
@@jacobharris5894…Yeah, I don’t know polynomials and transcendental numbers either. Finding sqrt(2) is not different to finding e or pi really.
@taiwuchiang8
@taiwuchiang8 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks!
@matron9936
@matron9936 4 жыл бұрын
Finally, real pendulum equation
@alexsere3061
@alexsere3061 8 ай бұрын
I have a small question; why do you use a partial derivative wrt time? phi is a function of time, this is an ODE rather than a PDE correct? is it the same or am I missing sth?
@KyleBroder
@KyleBroder 4 жыл бұрын
This video was brilliant.
@santiospina4504
@santiospina4504 4 жыл бұрын
Finally!!! I always wanted to know what the exact solution to this equation was :)
@jacobharris5894
@jacobharris5894 4 жыл бұрын
Me too I couldn’t find it anywhere. I wish this video came out when I was writing my honors math paper on Pendulums, last year.
@kingbeauregard
@kingbeauregard 8 ай бұрын
You rock, Flammy!
@Reliquancy
@Reliquancy 4 жыл бұрын
So once you know the period T, what formula do you plug it into to find phi(t)?
@sharpfang
@sharpfang 4 жыл бұрын
theta(t)=t/2T, Yes, I'm an engineer, how did you guess?
@Reliquancy
@Reliquancy 4 жыл бұрын
@@sharpfang I just remembered he was calling the angle of the pendulum phi, I had written theta sorry.
@steffenmuhle6517
@steffenmuhle6517 4 жыл бұрын
That's the thing though, he derived an ASPECT of the non-approximated solution, not the solution itself.
@UteChewb
@UteChewb 3 жыл бұрын
Excellent work! I only vaguely remember covering the exact solution at uni many years ago. This is a fantastic explanation that I would have crawled over broken glass to see.
@okb5854
@okb5854 4 жыл бұрын
For those looking for the song/music at the beginning of the video like me it's "My Hero Academia Season 3 OST 18 デクとオールマイトの秘密"
@PapaFlammy69
@PapaFlammy69 4 жыл бұрын
yup
@Sidd-rb4ec
@Sidd-rb4ec 4 жыл бұрын
Really love these Physics stuff
@nuranichandra2177
@nuranichandra2177 4 жыл бұрын
Brilliant derivation. Enjoyed it.
@PapaFlammy69
@PapaFlammy69 4 жыл бұрын
thx
@amirb715
@amirb715 4 жыл бұрын
1-this is obviously not the solution to the "differential equation" as the title suggests, but only a solution for the period of pendulum oscillation. 2-@ 14:31 the left hand side must be integrated from \phi_0 to an arbitrary \phi while the right hand side must be integrated from t=0 to t=arbitrary t. This would be the solution of the "differential equation" and obviously it will not be solvable anymore. 3-even for the period T, this is a nonlinear equation with no closed form solution. Numerical approximation will be necessary so again the title of the video is misleading
@maxfindus
@maxfindus 3 жыл бұрын
2 - still solvable, in terms of sn, am and dm functions 3 - the title does not include "closed form". This is an analytic expression. Numerical approximation is also necessary to calculate x=sin(theta), or even x=theta^2 for arbitrary real theta, or even just x=pi or x=e.
@javiergilvidal1558
@javiergilvidal1558 3 жыл бұрын
@@maxfindus ... or even x = 1/3 in decimal system! As you mature a little, the childish word "exact" matures too....
@jeffrysteck6314
@jeffrysteck6314 2 жыл бұрын
You are a fantastic lecturer!
@PapaFlammy69
@PapaFlammy69 2 жыл бұрын
thank you
@Rundas69420
@Rundas69420 4 жыл бұрын
Why is that special integral denoted with K? Pretty easy tbh, because it's the KOMPLETE ellipic integral of the first kind xD
@killhean5042
@killhean5042 4 жыл бұрын
KOMPLETE INTEGERHHHAL
@what_on_arth
@what_on_arth 4 жыл бұрын
I love the amount of chaotic energy in this video.
@emanuelvendramini2045
@emanuelvendramini2045 4 жыл бұрын
Precisly what I wanted. Huge tks.
@tiesto213
@tiesto213 2 жыл бұрын
is there a way to find a function for the motion, velocity and acceleration from here?
@gianlucademarchi4401
@gianlucademarchi4401 4 жыл бұрын
Gran finale!👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻
@ifrazali3052
@ifrazali3052 4 жыл бұрын
Thank youuuu very much
@nintendo22176
@nintendo22176 4 жыл бұрын
So beautiful
@Bennici
@Bennici 2 жыл бұрын
"Addition is commutative, you might know this" Look at you, trying your best to make me feel smart! ...it worked. :P
@victoralonsoaranda9228
@victoralonsoaranda9228 4 жыл бұрын
This is the vídeo I was looking for
@mongcon6190
@mongcon6190 4 жыл бұрын
This is amazing. Would you mind trying to solve the non-homogeneous case of this problem as well? I guess we can just assume that the right hand side of your initial second order differential equation to be some constant F for example. Anyways, great job!
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