Examining Stephan Sterns' Newly Released Emails: Murder of Madeline Soto

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@CourtTV
@CourtTV 2 ай бұрын
#CourtTV - What do YOU think?
@CaroleEvans93436
@CaroleEvans93436 2 ай бұрын
This case reminds me of Tia Sharp's murder, here in the UK but, it was her step-grandfather that was the perpetrator
@MrsGator7
@MrsGator7 2 ай бұрын
@COURTTV who held the phone
@nikkinik11
@nikkinik11 2 ай бұрын
I think the mother is involved
@madreep
@madreep 2 ай бұрын
@@CourtTV why does it matter what anyone thinks? All your over the top dramatic productions are unnecessary along with your so called "experts" who just sit there and fuel baseless theories and speculation. I think that the evidence will come out at the trial if it even gets to that point. He's not gonna be acquitted when his dumb ass not only recorded his crimes, but kept the images backed up on his cloud storage, and the authorities will charge Jenn when they have enough evidence to convict. If they don't, it's safe to assume that she's a horrible mother who made very bad choices, and is far from the sharpest tool in the shed, or cares more for herself that she was completely clueless to her child's abuse and suffering, but wasn't otherwise involved. You're supposedly staffed by attorneys, how do none of them know that there is a clock that starts ticking as soon as you take someone into custody and charge them with a crime, so there's a reason why Jenn is not in custody, and her silence means absolutely NOTHING. It's not a sign of guilt or innocence. Her kid is dead. So what does she need to be speaking publicly about? These days where every lay person thinks that they're the best detective in the world, and believe that the first amendment gives them the right to stalk, harass, speculate, and go after an individual's family, friends, and even employers because obviously they're guilty by association, I wouldn't be seen or heard from either. My mom was brutally murdered in 1987. I was only 10 years old at the time, but I can still remember the time surrounding her murder and the trial. Luckily in those days people were still kind. No way would I have wanted the entire internet following my every move to speculate on my tears or lack of, or combing through my social media to gain access to my family. As a media outlet you have a responsibility to present facts in these cases, and when you're tailored to a narrow subject you're going to have slow news days, and should have some sort of plan in place regarding your programming for those days. I don't know what her family knew or didn't know, all I know is that someone loved that child and is grieving her abuse and murder, and waiting for justice to be served. You're not helping.
@TehyaMai
@TehyaMai 2 ай бұрын
​@@CaroleEvans93436 Yes, he was the grandmother's life in partner I believe? They also found pictures on his phone of a dead and naked Tia, believed to have been taken the night of the murder. Yep, he was a sick one just like Sterns.
@joycampi7233
@joycampi7233 2 ай бұрын
Madeline's mother failed to protect her daughter. She needs to be charged also.
@bobbystark5930
@bobbystark5930 2 ай бұрын
@@joycampi7233 she was filming all of this crap she was a deadbeat and her and Stearns we're making money off of the 🌑 web
@skippee101
@skippee101 2 ай бұрын
Not only did she fail to protect Madeline, she enabled this. She should be held accountable for that.
@HeyitsGlenn
@HeyitsGlenn 2 ай бұрын
THATS NOT HOW IT WORKS BUT OK
@jariahtorres5714
@jariahtorres5714 2 ай бұрын
@@HeyitsGlenn??? Your slow asf she literally put her child in danger and abandoned her ; just because she’s her mom and madaline lived with her doesn’t excuse that she was abandoned and sacrificed
@CherrrrBear
@CherrrrBear 2 ай бұрын
@@HeyitsGlennyes it is
@marsukarhu9477
@marsukarhu9477 2 ай бұрын
This case is so disgusting and disturbing.
@desiesii
@desiesii 2 ай бұрын
just gets worse as things continue to come out.
@marsukarhu9477
@marsukarhu9477 2 ай бұрын
@@desiesii Unfortunately. That poor girl!
@SueP-jg9vx
@SueP-jg9vx 2 ай бұрын
It is but you know this sick chit is not so uncommon, I fear
@BBefore-mn1jz
@BBefore-mn1jz 2 ай бұрын
And think it happens all the time he just got caught
@enzienzie
@enzienzie 2 ай бұрын
How can his parents feel anything but shame, disgust, and embarrassment towards him.
@toribern816
@toribern816 2 ай бұрын
Right? Exactly what I was thinking. She has a lot of balls to even say ANYTHING about Jenn.
@brandysnaps9221
@brandysnaps9221 2 ай бұрын
Agreed
@debkb7
@debkb7 2 ай бұрын
They sound like they treat him like he is innocent and entitled. 🤮
@pamcollins1651
@pamcollins1651 2 ай бұрын
@@toribern816. I don’t get how a perverts mother will not only keep in contact with her sick and twisted son but appears to be supporting him!🤷‍♀️ I would never have any type of contact with my son after hearing about these crimes!
@toribern816
@toribern816 2 ай бұрын
@@pamcollins1651 yeah I wouldn’t either. The proof is right there. There’s no hiding
@kimvictoria9936
@kimvictoria9936 2 ай бұрын
Every time I listen to Stephan talk he makes my skin crawl. When he said Madeline was happy to see him I'm pretty sure that she wasn't. I think her Mom knows more than she is letting on. RIP Madeline. 🕊️🕊️🕊️🕊️🕊️
@cjdodgeprimecrime
@cjdodgeprimecrime 2 ай бұрын
For real!! His face and his voice makes my skin crawl! To think of the things he did to that poor girl makes me physically ill!
@missyelliot6237
@missyelliot6237 2 ай бұрын
He’s soooo whinyyyy
@alpschild
@alpschild 2 ай бұрын
@kimvictoria9936 His voice is like nails on a chalkboard. Just like JP Miller’s.
@heidinotheidi
@heidinotheidi 2 ай бұрын
I also hate his face.
@TinyRanter
@TinyRanter 2 ай бұрын
His whiny victim voice is repulsive.
@amberhough8005
@amberhough8005 2 ай бұрын
Imagine being this guy's mother still defending him KNOWING what was going on. They're all vile.
@teresasanchez7164
@teresasanchez7164 8 күн бұрын
This ☝️. I would be so repulsed my child or not
@TalLeGal
@TalLeGal 5 күн бұрын
And they claim “Everybody knows . . .” Really? Then why did neither of you say or do anything to help save Maddie?!
@Valscomment
@Valscomment 2 ай бұрын
How can a mother still speak to their son after having all that stuff found on his phone? And Jenn is just too weird. What a horrible mother.
@debswatching
@debswatching 2 ай бұрын
Think of Chris Watts, Scott Peterson and Ted Bundy’s mother standing by their sons.
@thisisdra5ticc
@thisisdra5ticc 2 ай бұрын
The mother seem so disgusted that jen might be involved and is not disgusted with her son being involved with proof none on jen yet . I do have a strong feeling tho she new what was going on.
@305Tricia
@305Tricia 2 ай бұрын
He’s a vile monster, however she’s a protective mother. As sick as he is, his mother loves him regardless, that is a mother’s love. Unlike Jenn who was also a mother but didn’t love or protect her child, and her child was an innocent kid, yet Jenn failed to protect her child. Mothers always want to protect their children.
@jesclifford88
@jesclifford88 2 ай бұрын
@@305Triciamaybe she should’ve been a better mother to him growing up and he may have turned out better…enabling your children is NOT the way to go if you want well adjusted adults. They should’ve stepped in way before this, with some sort of intervention, for his previous bad behaviour.
@Countryredneckhillbillybubba
@Countryredneckhillbillybubba 2 ай бұрын
A lot of mothers love their children unconditionally. It’s not that uncommon
@manda_musings8459
@manda_musings8459 2 ай бұрын
So they just gonna ignore the fact they found disgusting abuse pictures ON HIS PHONE? Absolutely insane
@Juke582
@Juke582 2 ай бұрын
The mother denied that was Maddie in the photos on his phone!
@computeraidedyami
@computeraidedyami 2 ай бұрын
@@Juke582 did you see the photos?
@Rebecca-hc5ju
@Rebecca-hc5ju 2 ай бұрын
​@@Juke582 who does she thinks the pictures are of?!! Even if it's not Madeleine, there's child s*x abuse pictures!!
@toribern816
@toribern816 2 ай бұрын
@@Juke582 where did you hear that? Did I miss them say that? Ugh. That’s crazy
@catH727
@catH727 2 ай бұрын
I hope they looked at Jenn’s phone too.
@Mercyseed1160
@Mercyseed1160 2 ай бұрын
She knows exactly what her son was, and did. Yet SS’s mother put blindfold on and blame other people for her failure as a mother. Rising Cain.
@kimmyers5648
@kimmyers5648 2 ай бұрын
Agreed!
@kathyreeves4067
@kathyreeves4067 2 ай бұрын
With a capital F yea she's still treating him like he's 2.
@SassySouthernSusan
@SassySouthernSusan 2 ай бұрын
Agree. She said you’re not the only one to blame. Well, that is deflecting and not holding him accountable for his actions. Shame!
@deniece0821
@deniece0821 2 ай бұрын
I have heard a rumor but you know rumors are, so take it with a grain of salt. Apparently SS is admitting guilt of molesting MS BUT he's trying to say that JS is equally to blame for having MS sleep in the same bed as him and therefore tempted him. Apparently SS's mom is trying to blame JS for that, too. Which yes, JS should've NEVER even suggested that SS sleep in the same bed as MS but that doesn't resolve him of any blame/guilt. I cannot wait until the trial to hear everything. Those two (SS and JS) are whacked, evidentially so is SS's mother!
@tigerlily102511
@tigerlily102511 2 ай бұрын
Agreed 💯. My mother enabled my younger brother's behaviors and never monitored him when he was living in her home. When my brother was 20, he was going to Pokemon card game tournaments and spending time with young kids. He eventually started inviting a 13yr old kid to my mother's home at night. His behavior escalated and he sexually assaulted the 13yr old and went to prison. I cut ties with my brother because his behavior is absolutely disgusting and unacceptable. My own mother got pissed off because I refused to visit my brother in prison, I refused to buy things for my brother and send them to him in prison, and I absolutely refused to allow my child near him. My mother, the woman who allowed me to be sexually molested and almost raped by my stepfather as a young teen, told me I was being selfish. I am a survivor of sexual molestation and abuse so it's obvious that I would not want to visit a child predator in prison. My mother was actually putting $200 into my brother's commissary every month. In my mind, 10 years wasn't enough and he was never really punished for his crime.
@anaveliahernandez6490
@anaveliahernandez6490 2 ай бұрын
It’s obvious that the mother is not sad/concerned for the loss of an innocent child.
@Westcoastaurora
@Westcoastaurora 2 ай бұрын
Wow Stephen’s mother sounds like a sociopath…..
@nessyb5371
@nessyb5371 2 ай бұрын
Exactly what I thought
@NatzTalk
@NatzTalk 2 ай бұрын
Right?! When first read, I thought it was for show...those pics and stuff they found in his possession of Madeline doesn't lie....
@beavisnsluthead
@beavisnsluthead 2 ай бұрын
Like mother like son.
@Karenanneseven
@Karenanneseven 2 ай бұрын
This is a large part of Stern’s problem…an enabling mother. There’s no sympathy or empathy for little Madeline 💔
@xxxxxxxxx1652
@xxxxxxxxx1652 2 ай бұрын
She reminds me of Cindy Watts, and the way she and her husband defended Chris after he admitted to murdering his whole family
@nunyahappy6940
@nunyahappy6940 2 ай бұрын
Jen Soto never shed a tear when she even tries to act sad about her own daughter “missing“
@sjworrier0613
@sjworrier0613 2 ай бұрын
I think she started to suspect Stephen was involved in some way, whether she knew about the abuse is still a mystery but I think she was starting to suspect his involvement, maybe him taking her car in the early hrs was the thing that made her suspicious… maybe she suspected an accident happened and was trying to protect him but it’s also possible she knew everything. I don’t want to make assumptions but they haven’t charged her for anything yet and that’s freakin weird.
@Nothemomma904
@Nothemomma904 2 ай бұрын
She never had an emotional connection with her daughter
@GillaMom8071
@GillaMom8071 2 ай бұрын
He's most likely been insidiously gaslighted her into believing what he wanted. Twisting the poor girls actions into pouty bratty selfishness & manipulations. He covered himself with incredible devious precision.
@travishylton6976
@travishylton6976 2 ай бұрын
@@GillaMom8071 shes a grown women she knew better stop defended the coward
@aurorawalls3177
@aurorawalls3177 Ай бұрын
Because Jennifer was there and sent Satan to Madeline. Maybe she was the one with the camera.
@islandthrifts809
@islandthrifts809 2 ай бұрын
Sounds like his parents and the Laundrie parents have lots in common.
@ZoeBay-vn1hc
@ZoeBay-vn1hc 2 ай бұрын
They might be neighbors. Both are in Northport. 😮
@islandthrifts809
@islandthrifts809 2 ай бұрын
@@ZoeBay-vn1hc wonder what’s in the water there…
@mznickirosa
@mznickirosa 2 ай бұрын
Sounds like Chris Watts’ mother as well.
@RLS1
@RLS1 2 ай бұрын
Right?! My God, they are despicable!
@jendee1260
@jendee1260 2 ай бұрын
proudfoot’s, too.
@miap.s.795
@miap.s.795 2 ай бұрын
Yep it’s true, no way Jen didn’t know. Jen also instigated the abuse by giving her daughter to Stern and ushering them off to share a bed alone, a plethora of times. She is just as much to blame in this. It also seems way too obvious in her face, she knew Maddy wasn’t coming back when they released that “plea” for her safe return. She knew, and her being so quiet and not screaming from the rooftops says a lot too. And the most she has said have been lies that she sloppily tries to hide and patch up.
@maryeheinly8256
@maryeheinly8256 2 ай бұрын
No kidding! I can’t believe they think she has nothing to do with any of this !!
@Dustyp3ar
@Dustyp3ar 2 ай бұрын
OH GOD NOT GRAY HUGHES
@StonedBarbiee
@StonedBarbiee 2 ай бұрын
The fact she still allowed this after they were broken up is even worse. And it was horrible to begin with
@miap.s.795
@miap.s.795 2 ай бұрын
@@maryeheinly8256 I don’t believe they think that, pretty sure they very much know she’s not innocent and taking their time with her for a reason.
@nasirb3914
@nasirb3914 2 ай бұрын
Gray hughes where??​@@Dustyp3ar
@zengemini7656
@zengemini7656 2 ай бұрын
The videos and pictures on his phone do not lie, and from what is being said, it shows him abusing Madeline whether the mom knew about it or not his family should absolutely be disgusted by his involvement.
@mirandaschalen
@mirandaschalen 2 ай бұрын
Right!
@CandyKG28
@CandyKG28 Ай бұрын
Right, she acts like the mom knowing what was going on somehow absolves her son of the abuse and vile actions he committed upon a child. Like, lady, you are sick to even try and pretend your son isn't the most disgusting person to have done such a thing. The fact she is putting the blame on someone else is just sick and shows how he ended up being the person he is.
@jonnaburnham2914
@jonnaburnham2914 2 ай бұрын
Stephen Sterns mom’s letter was really weird. Not normal
@jayjohnson8426
@jayjohnson8426 5 күн бұрын
Its becouse she knows letters aare read in prison and can be used against him so you have to read inbetween the lines
@Emily89420
@Emily89420 2 ай бұрын
IMO I think the "mom" knew but didn't care. I think Madeline lost her life standing up for herself because she had enough. Such a disgusting and heartbreaking life that poor child had to live through! Charge the "mother" already!!!! She allowed her child to sleep with her "boyfriend"!!!!
@alpschild
@alpschild 2 ай бұрын
@Emily89420 💯
@sassafrass241
@sassafrass241 2 ай бұрын
I feel like this too. Or there was a pregnancy/scare.
@JustDeLuca
@JustDeLuca 2 ай бұрын
​@sassafrass241 or, she got too old for his likes. And he didn't want her talking. Any and / or all maybes mentioned.
@ThePathOfLeastResistanc
@ThePathOfLeastResistanc 2 ай бұрын
I think they need evidence of this first. You know….like proof
@Emily89420
@Emily89420 2 ай бұрын
@ThePathOfLeastResistanc Against the "mother" maybe besides her confession of sending her daughter to sleep in the same room with her boyfriend. I'm sure more will come out in the investigation. But what more evidence is needed?
@KimberlyBishh
@KimberlyBishh 2 ай бұрын
If JENN SOTO would have at least ONCE looked through his phone, she would have seen the videos and pictures....VERY SUSPICIOUS to me...I THINK SHE DID.
@deannashowers2994
@deannashowers2994 2 ай бұрын
The first step is not sending your bf to bed with your daughter 😢😢
@christine6205
@christine6205 2 ай бұрын
​@@deannashowers2994 Discusting!!
@RLS1
@RLS1 2 ай бұрын
​@@deannashowers2994 💯
@googleuser2226
@googleuser2226 2 ай бұрын
She knew it was going on.
@Nickiix0x
@Nickiix0x 2 ай бұрын
She knew
@sheilabock466
@sheilabock466 2 ай бұрын
That poor baby, it breaks my heart
@Dustyp3ar
@Dustyp3ar 2 ай бұрын
NOT GRAY HUGHES! UGH
@jenniferhagan7134
@jenniferhagan7134 Ай бұрын
My heart also tears up for Madddie
@bonnijordan2627
@bonnijordan2627 2 ай бұрын
Why hasn’t Jen been charged when it’s on record that she sent her daughter off to sleep with Stephen Sternes when she had a headaches etc.???!!!
@alpschild
@alpschild 2 ай бұрын
Great question! 🤬
@luckyone5648
@luckyone5648 2 ай бұрын
I believe she will eventually be charged they just want to make sure the charges are going to stick
@moda78z
@moda78z Ай бұрын
Because that isn’t a crime.
@shanakirschman7172
@shanakirschman7172 Ай бұрын
I think she hasn’t been charged yet because she would be the person that may know what has happened to Madeline. If she was involved they would cut some kind of deal with her to testify against Stephan.
@mpol701
@mpol701 15 күн бұрын
​@@moda78zit must be? How is knowingly letting your man sleep with underage daughter not be an offence?
@easymoney480
@easymoney480 2 ай бұрын
Stephan Sterns' mother just told on herself. How can she know Jenn is involved without having knowledge herself
@NaturalDivaBeauty
@NaturalDivaBeauty 2 ай бұрын
Good point 🤔
@Jennie-gg2wu
@Jennie-gg2wu 2 ай бұрын
Because she know something
@onimendez7735
@onimendez7735 2 ай бұрын
🎯
@duangerous
@duangerous 2 ай бұрын
She doesn't know anything because there's nothing to know. You all can not believe anything these people say. We know everything he's said is a LIE. What his enabling mom says, is a LIE.
@KimberlyBishh
@KimberlyBishh 2 ай бұрын
Well yeah
@MelaninDrippedMimi
@MelaninDrippedMimi 2 ай бұрын
Everyone failed Maddie
@jenniferhagan7134
@jenniferhagan7134 Ай бұрын
So very sad! I cry for her every time it comes up
@LoraHari81
@LoraHari81 2 ай бұрын
For me one thing is very clear. There's no loving, concerning mother in this world who's sending her teenage daughter to bed with an adult male who's not even her biological father. End of story. Poor Maddie. We are parents, we should shield and love our children, this is our job and our responsibility. Jenn should be charged for not doing her duties as a mother at least. There should be a law like that!!!
@LKitsyK
@LKitsyK 2 ай бұрын
It irks me that mom didn’t take the day off for her only child’s THIRTEENTH BIRTHDAY. That’s a milestone and happens the same day every year. That day every year should be requested off on day one of employment. Mom knew and mom purposefully tried to distance herself from the disgusting predatory relationship she encouraged
@amberkarim9239
@amberkarim9239 2 ай бұрын
Agree
@jendee1260
@jendee1260 2 ай бұрын
i’m glad you are commenting on that aspect. i read in the comments recently that jenn was wearing maddies clothes in the area they claimed she (maddie) was dropped off in. suggesting she hoped to pass off as maddy to nearby cams. with that being said…wouldn’t she request the night off of work/call-in/use vacation to celebrate her daughter becoming a teen (13, i believe-pray i’m not wrong out of respect)? it just seems super premeditated?? i can’t sit with this thought alone. does it suggest premeditation to you? we all can agree jen knew…but when did the knowing start/stop? rest in God’s embrace, angel. 🤍🕊️🤍🕊️
@amberkarim9239
@amberkarim9239 2 ай бұрын
@@LKitsyK I could see from day one she did care about her daughter at all and when she answered the phone Oh Hi principal Im ok how are you..I was screaming at the phone YOUR ONLY DAUGHTER IS MISSING AND YOUR ACTING LIKE YOU LOST A BIKE wonder what the principal thought.And some people say when she said that it you could see that pervert take a deep breath of relief It tells me it was premeditated .
@marietjiehildebrandt1324
@marietjiehildebrandt1324 2 ай бұрын
Speaks volumes
@thisisdra5ticc
@thisisdra5ticc 2 ай бұрын
Yeah 13 big milestone my parents gave me a big party 13 16 and 18 what parent doesn't do that for the child. her making sure she didn't take off made sure she works shows how much she loves her daughter. Witch she dident from all the mean things I heard she would say to her smh damnnn
@Dee-ny6uo
@Dee-ny6uo 2 ай бұрын
Absolutely outrageous that months have passed and Jen Soto has not been arrested.
@Dustyp3ar
@Dustyp3ar 2 ай бұрын
Can't STAND GRAY HUGHES
@Dee-ny6uo
@Dee-ny6uo 2 ай бұрын
@@Dustyp3ar when he started blindly defending Jen Soto is when I had to stop watching his channel.
@Dustyp3ar
@Dustyp3ar 2 ай бұрын
@@Dee-ny6uo Same, whether he actually believes such shows who he is as a person and if he is trying to bait others on, that is even lower
@Dee-ny6uo
@Dee-ny6uo 2 ай бұрын
@@Dustyp3arEXACTLY!!
@INDLIS
@INDLIS Ай бұрын
@@Dee-ny6uo I’m thinking she’s just laughing at all of this because she left her man to do all of her dirty work while she just sat back and acted like nothing happened
@Little_Aussie_20
@Little_Aussie_20 2 ай бұрын
Jenn should be charged with failure to protect... Who sends their child to sleep in the same bed with a grown man who is not her biological father...
@snowwhite2524
@snowwhite2524 2 ай бұрын
💯 That sounds like child endangerment to me, but I'm not a lawyer. Jenn was so selfish that she prioritized getting a good night of sleep over her only daughter's safety. Jenn literally served her daughter up to the predator. Jenn should be charged with something.
@karenkilloran7020
@karenkilloran7020 2 ай бұрын
🇦🇺 If SS Mother knew so much, why didn't she report it. She is condoning his actions!
@luckyone5648
@luckyone5648 2 ай бұрын
A roommate came forward and says the mother of SS had paid him off years ago for finding stuff on his computer.
@monicarose2135
@monicarose2135 2 ай бұрын
“I hope you get your coffee & candy”, gag no wonder this a whole became such a monster. Mom is a deluded liar.
@galaxyglitterlatte4664
@galaxyglitterlatte4664 7 күн бұрын
Maddie will never have coffee or candy ever again!!!😢😢😢😢😢😢😢
@deannashowers2994
@deannashowers2994 2 ай бұрын
Jenn Soto needs to also be charged with negligent and failing to protect her precious child!!!!!!!!
@skeeskeedo
@skeeskeedo 2 ай бұрын
How is a mother who literally stated she sent her daughter to bed with her boyfriend is not being arrested or investigated in a child sexual abuse case.....what is happening......
@TennesseeRockMom
@TennesseeRockMom 2 ай бұрын
She's no mother.
@skeeskeedo
@skeeskeedo 2 ай бұрын
@@TennesseeRockMom for real!
@taynathibault9752
@taynathibault9752 2 ай бұрын
sterns has those crazy eyes like Charles Manson. look when he is in back of police car. total creep
@natalielawrence8809
@natalielawrence8809 2 ай бұрын
At least Manson was upfront about his evil ways.. SS's was in the back of the police car sweet talking the cop about holiday destinations...
@eamonwright7488
@eamonwright7488 2 ай бұрын
Those “Manson Lamps”
@rebeccadobbs5277
@rebeccadobbs5277 2 ай бұрын
Yes, his eyes are black!
@alpschild
@alpschild 2 ай бұрын
His eyes look like evil, black pits. Very creepy.
@philmoneybagsburnell6192
@philmoneybagsburnell6192 2 ай бұрын
Cold dead eyes.
@amisam8176
@amisam8176 2 ай бұрын
IMO, if Jenn had no knowledge of what was going on, (which I doubt,) I would think she would publicly condemn him. We have yet to see her do that. Most parents would be enraged. I do believe Jenn knew about, or in the very least suspected the abuse.
@marissavallejo2987
@marissavallejo2987 2 ай бұрын
Agree
@toribern816
@toribern816 2 ай бұрын
@@amisam8176 I think it was in the back of her mind and she just kept talking herself out of it bc she knew him for 7 yrs and trusted him.
@danidan9917
@danidan9917 2 ай бұрын
Well its been proven Brian Laundries parents knew Gabby was dead and they publicly defended their son for weeks and weeks. Parents do weird things when they are in denial.
@arielsea9087
@arielsea9087 2 ай бұрын
She lawyered up. When it comes to her daughter, it's all about her self preservation. Justice for Madeline doesn't seem to be her concern.
@jendee1260
@jendee1260 2 ай бұрын
@@toribern816i disagree. saying she trusted him takes away awareness of what was happening. this woman was old enough, aware enough, etc of what happens in decades past, when you send a teen to bed with a grown man. absolutely, no way.
@paulajones114
@paulajones114 2 ай бұрын
Because OF her mother. Maddie had to grow up at 8yrs old. Yet her mother gets to go on with her best life. How IS THIS JUSTICE?¿? SHE KNEW.
@simplymorgans
@simplymorgans 2 ай бұрын
13? She's still a KID
@mirandaschalen
@mirandaschalen 2 ай бұрын
It's like no adult is outraged about the abuse this child suffered. It's mindblowing.
@fluffy5534
@fluffy5534 2 ай бұрын
Hi Vinnie: During tonight' program, you missed one important event. Sterns went back to the crime scene 2 nights back-to-back at 3 a.m. The first night he took Jen's car. The second night he took his dad's car. The route and destination for both nights were the same. It was the crime scene. Also, he made 5 more trips to the dumpster in addition to the initial 2 trips (when he dumped the backpack, laptop, one shoe and his tire). We are not told the items that he dumped in those 5 times.
@jendee1260
@jendee1260 2 ай бұрын
thank you for sharing that. 🤍🕊️🤍🕊️
@pennynash5410
@pennynash5410 2 ай бұрын
@@fluffy5534 Hi fluffy, I have a question for you. I’m wondering if it has been disclosed that it was Stern driving Soto’s car? Have the police confirmed who was driving her car at 3am? Please let me know so I can read/watch who was the driver at that time. Thank you
@slaphappybullet
@slaphappybullet 2 ай бұрын
Thanks for the info
@Burnerbaby
@Burnerbaby 2 ай бұрын
As a mother, I cannot imagine making a half-assed plea for my daughter’s return and then not tell her I love her. I hope you’re safe, I hope you’re not hurt? All well and good but no tears, no I love you…. I would be groveling and making sure my daughter knew how much I loved and missed her. That’s how I immediately knew Jen was guilty.
@coinkydink
@coinkydink 2 ай бұрын
She didn't even say Maddys name until she was forced to say it by interviewer
@marissavallejo2987
@marissavallejo2987 2 ай бұрын
So while SS is doing all of this running around, also using Jenn’s car, where is she by the way? What is she doing during all of that? Is she suspicious that SS is running around like mad on the same afternoon, evening, and early morning that her daughter is also missing? She’s not even a little suspicious of him? Also, she’s not pounding the pavement with the rest of her family? It’s all so strange on her part.
@corneliusjones7518
@corneliusjones7518 2 ай бұрын
Mom overlooked him sleeping with her child no shame
@Shieldmaiden600
@Shieldmaiden600 2 ай бұрын
No she sent them to the same bedroom so " she " ( mom) could sleep. Smh.
@gg.6633
@gg.6633 2 ай бұрын
@@Shieldmaiden600So does that mean he can r*pe a child?
@amandajohnson1196
@amandajohnson1196 2 ай бұрын
To say “disgusted she’s free and you’re not” is crazy!! Should have been “disgusted she’s not in jail like you”. Jen Soto is vile, Sterns mother is vile and Sterns himself is beyond vile!! Hearing him describe her before they found her and hearing him say “it doesn’t feel the same without her here” is beyond gross after knowing what he did.
@Kezzy82
@Kezzy82 Ай бұрын
Sick sick fxcks 🤬🤯🤮
@heyodaya-bf8lh
@heyodaya-bf8lh 2 ай бұрын
her birth father could gotten her away from that life. he didn't give a damn. hekk, he hadn't even seen her since October. no decent human could or would go that long. EVERYONE failed this child.
@mikelrenee22
@mikelrenee22 2 ай бұрын
They sure did. It’s so heartbreaking.
@CerealBoomer
@CerealBoomer 2 ай бұрын
I think mom is involved in the whole thing😔🤫and I think his mom is nuts!
@KimberlyBishh
@KimberlyBishh 2 ай бұрын
His mom apparently knew what he was doing.
@plusminus5483
@plusminus5483 2 ай бұрын
This guy and her mother make me sick to my stomach
@Karina-qd6ri
@Karina-qd6ri 2 ай бұрын
Listening to Jen Sotos interview, she said Madeleine told them she had a crush on someone at school. Could this have ignited jealousy in Sterns. She was his toy. Im damn sure he wouldnt have liked it
@Unsocial_butterfly1
@Unsocial_butterfly1 2 ай бұрын
I have wondered if he got rid of her because she was interested in boys and he was worried that if she got close to a boy that she liked she would tell about the abuse. If she got a young boyfriend how would she explain that she's not a virgin. 😢
@TinyRanter
@TinyRanter 2 ай бұрын
She was probably lying. Doesn’t seem like Madeline would have confided in her.
@kimberlyponder9523
@kimberlyponder9523 3 күн бұрын
She's establishing a "someone" in case Maddie os pregnant
@NaturalDivaBeauty
@NaturalDivaBeauty 2 ай бұрын
He’s probably lying to them like he lies to everyone else about everything.
@Jennie-gg2wu
@Jennie-gg2wu 2 ай бұрын
Disgusting email
@peoplefordani
@peoplefordani 2 ай бұрын
Why did the mother tell the police and the media “we took her to school”….it was like she was talking responsibility with that sentence alone? This is disturbing. Prayers for this child to Rest In Peace; Justice to be served against anyone involved + for the innocent family + friends who have been negatively impacted by this horrific event .
@janetjohnson7279
@janetjohnson7279 2 ай бұрын
Justice For Madeline!! 🙏🏻💙😥💙😥🙏🏻
@danidan9917
@danidan9917 2 ай бұрын
I think its really dumb to release these emails. They will now cease communications and we could have gained so much more insight had they continued to write each other. Silly on behalf of the DA who released them.
@uggggggghhhhh
@uggggggghhhhh Ай бұрын
Its florida. Freedom of information allows these and calls to be public.
@pamyork5217
@pamyork5217 2 ай бұрын
The mother didn't show any emotions.Maybe she was jealous of her daughter terrible situation
@nashette47
@nashette47 2 ай бұрын
I’ve wondered that myself
@jennilang2464
@jennilang2464 2 ай бұрын
I think that from "go", that night's/morning's attempt at abuse, she rebelled against because Madeline saw it as her independence day. That poor baby.💔
@TennesseeRockMom
@TennesseeRockMom 2 ай бұрын
She turned 13 a few days before her party.
@wendymiesowitz1897
@wendymiesowitz1897 2 ай бұрын
Jen Soto was a participant. Common sense. Imo. Been going on since Maddie was 8? There was a tripod in the bedroom, says to me JS not only knew but was a participant. 8 feel so sick that LE will need to look at all 1700+ pics and vids to see JS in or heard on them. She absolutely was a participant and had so many different men in and out of their lives. No one is THAT blind.
@danidan9917
@danidan9917 2 ай бұрын
There's groups on social media covering the case and one who is well regarded said the moms family knew about the abuse and that Jenn turned a blind eye and that they gave her ultimatums to get rid of him or they would tell. Hence their attitudes in the bwc videos of not comforting jenn or sterns as they were furious with him being back around.
@Unsocial_butterfly1
@Unsocial_butterfly1 2 ай бұрын
​@@danidan9917 whether Jen stayed with him or not why would the family not call the police and report him if they knew so it wouldn't happen to Madeleine or any other child again instead of letting it slide?
@danidan9917
@danidan9917 2 ай бұрын
@@Unsocial_butterfly1 because they knew Jenn would likely get in big trouble too. Loads of families cover up SA to protect the mother.
@marthacandycarrasquillo102
@marthacandycarrasquillo102 5 күн бұрын
Sick sick F**ks!!!🤬🤬🤬💔💔💔😭😭😭​@@danidan9917
@princekareem
@princekareem 2 ай бұрын
Gray Hughes once read out a sealed affadvit detailing the sexual abuse of a child to earn cash on his live stream. He's the last person to engage with over a case like this
@firmehina4941
@firmehina4941 9 күн бұрын
Omg! That is disgusting! Who does that?! 😡 didn't sav gal do something similar
@princekareem
@princekareem 9 күн бұрын
@@firmehina4941 She sold a video on Patreon made from images of Gannon Stauch's autopsy
@firmehina4941
@firmehina4941 9 күн бұрын
@@princekareem 😪😪😪
@Mary10538
@Mary10538 2 күн бұрын
I don't care for grey hughs at all
@angels0auras
@angels0auras 2 ай бұрын
He's lied to his parents. He won't come clean until he's got the entire lord of the rings trilogy
@nunyahappy6940
@nunyahappy6940 2 ай бұрын
There was an interview with one of Steven Stern’s friends where he said how messed up his mom and dad were while he was growing up! So the fact that the mom is trying to be Mrs. June Cleaver please
@shelbyotto2109
@shelbyotto2109 2 ай бұрын
Thank you for your coverage on this case, Vinnie! We are all seeking the justice Madeline DESERVES!
@thaoneandonlykharmelita512
@thaoneandonlykharmelita512 2 ай бұрын
What does the mother think about the disgusting things found in his phone. I definitely believe her mother had something to do with it.
@crystemp81
@crystemp81 2 ай бұрын
They need to find out where he was when the couple was on a break. I bet there are more victims. I sure hope not, though.
@Nancy-nx9cf
@Nancy-nx9cf 2 ай бұрын
If Stefan's family all know, shouldn't they be charged? As a mother, I could not and would not support my son. As for Jenn, she stated to the police (we dropped her off at school). She is standing by her child's murderer. I believe she is equally guilty. Who waits until 8 p.m. to report their child as missing?
@sandonique
@sandonique 2 ай бұрын
I don’t think Jenn Soto knew SS killed Maddie, however I do believe she knew he was assaulting her. At the end of the day, she was so negligent in protecting her daughter. I’m not understanding why she hasn’t been arrested. Ppl have been arrested for less!
@uggggggghhhhh
@uggggggghhhhh Ай бұрын
Im guessing shes cooperating with the police for immunity. They dont want her getting hostile with them. As long as they dont arrest her, she will probably continue talking to them
@brodyrichard263
@brodyrichard263 2 ай бұрын
About time. I have been waiting for this update from you guys for awhile now
@DANAE-fk9zm
@DANAE-fk9zm 2 ай бұрын
He has his Mama wrapped around his finger. She is desperate to protect herself.
@mikelrenee22
@mikelrenee22 2 ай бұрын
I can’t believe his mom. Even if Madeline was not murdered, he should still be in prison for the stuff that was found on his phone. I hope to God that her mom didn’t know what was going on and just let it happen.
@MollieMcCord
@MollieMcCord 2 ай бұрын
Yuck. Hate seeing his photo.
@ArmyjoIzz
@ArmyjoIzz 2 ай бұрын
It’s evil
@maryhanbury3152
@maryhanbury3152 2 ай бұрын
Me Too 🤢🤢
@maryhanbury3152
@maryhanbury3152 2 ай бұрын
He never shows up to none of them😡😡His Mommy & Daddy got his back!!!😡😡😡
@maryhanbury3152
@maryhanbury3152 2 ай бұрын
She was definitely involved sad but she pawned her off to him. I’m sure it come out
@Kezzy82
@Kezzy82 Ай бұрын
Saaammeee 🤮🤮
@ethelruane3713
@ethelruane3713 2 ай бұрын
Beautiful young girl..heart breaking..horrible man!!
@brandysnaps9221
@brandysnaps9221 2 ай бұрын
His mother is eluding too, they knew about he was sexually assaulting Maddy? What are you saying Vinnie? My mind is boggling. My heart breaks for Maddy ❤
@dphilnok
@dphilnok 2 ай бұрын
This case breaks my heart❤Vinnie, I love how passionate you are about getting justice for Madeline… you’ve been a big brother to her from the beginning. It makes me sick to think that her mother was aware of what was going on.. she can’t be that ignorant..
@iiserenity
@iiserenity 2 ай бұрын
So many of us women see ourselves in little Maddie.. So many of us have also experienced assault as children---most of us victimized by someone who should have loved and protected us the most.
@KimmySemak
@KimmySemak 2 ай бұрын
😢
@b_4_real_
@b_4_real_ 2 ай бұрын
Wow, so in prison you get candy, coffee, emails, calls, gifts from family, workout outlets. This is way too cushy for him.
@T4Tracy2
@T4Tracy2 2 ай бұрын
Oh he isn’t in prison yet, he is in jail!
@b_4_real_
@b_4_real_ 2 ай бұрын
Oh right, true. Well next stop prison!
@debswatching
@debswatching 2 ай бұрын
I feel the mother is involved. She would do anything to keep Sterns around.
@jendee1260
@jendee1260 2 ай бұрын
some women are truly so desperate.
@leonaarnaud4229
@leonaarnaud4229 2 ай бұрын
He went back to the crime scene to show Jenn where he had dumped Maddie's body!
@Juke582
@Juke582 2 ай бұрын
Vinnie you have that weirdo Gray on your show again????!! Geez 🙄 🤮 makes many of us leave! You must not know that guy at all on KZbin??!!
@jessicawamsley1652
@jessicawamsley1652 2 ай бұрын
Can you please explain to me what Gray did? I don’t know who he is but also don’t want to watch his videos if I come across them and he’s not a good person.
@toribern816
@toribern816 2 ай бұрын
@@jessicawamsley1652 watch one of his livestreams. You will see 😂
@rumblebee_stixx1560
@rumblebee_stixx1560 2 ай бұрын
@@jessicawamsley1652from what I’ve read from others, Gray Hughes is very rude & calls his viewers names.
@CH-px1fw
@CH-px1fw 2 ай бұрын
“I didn’t think they were supposed to do stuff like that.” Amazing that he thinks anyone should be concerned about his comfort.
@daniellegardner1658
@daniellegardner1658 2 ай бұрын
IMO Jen is guilty, of what I’m not sure. She’s lied a lot. She said she saw Maddie that morning, knew exactly what she was wearing, but then said that she actually didn’t see her. I think that when Maddie came home from her party, her and her mom had a fight (Maddie’s friend said Maddie was mad because she didn’t get any money for her Birthday). Jen said she was going to kick Maddie out the second she turned 18, Maddie got D’s and F’s and her teachers said Jen never seemed to care, never went to back to school nights-nothing. I think Jen killed her. That’s why she separated herself and said she slept on the couch, her and Stephen made a plan that night, he took her ALONE to drop her body off. But, we’ll see what comes out!
@kimberlychelen9890
@kimberlychelen9890 2 ай бұрын
All the cameras that caught SS on that day... Wow!
@helenaterschegget8791
@helenaterschegget8791 Ай бұрын
So his parents honestly believe he should be free? After years worth of evidence of him abusing Madeline? Ok that’s messed up.
@Kenneth-nVA
@Kenneth-nVA 2 ай бұрын
Look… moms interviews are so fake I wish people would stop covering up for her
@jasmine3637
@jasmine3637 2 ай бұрын
@@Kenneth-nVA EXACTLY what I thought. Her emotions do not seem genuine. She sounds like Chris Watts when he was making public statements and pleas on the news. Idk the whole thing is so suspicious
@angierodriguez7250
@angierodriguez7250 2 ай бұрын
She sounds and looks doped up
@CandyKG28
@CandyKG28 Ай бұрын
The fact that she says, "she is free and you're not ". Instead of saying, I can't believe she's still free. Her saying that implies that she doesn't blame him at all. That mother is sick.
@jessicaRabbitt3316
@jessicaRabbitt3316 2 ай бұрын
His mother is delusional
@kimmyers5648
@kimmyers5648 2 ай бұрын
"This is not all your fault. - Mom." REALLY?!? Really this is nothing more than heresay. Mom is of course going to be slanted towards her beloved son. Pathetic.
@jendee1260
@jendee1260 2 ай бұрын
heresay? no. bias.
@Janadu
@Janadu 2 ай бұрын
What if Jenn caught them together and she did something to Maddie, then SS helped cover it up? There are still so many questions...His mother sounds like Cindy Watts and Laundrie. Their sweet little boys can do no wrong. WTH?
@Gveggie950
@Gveggie950 2 ай бұрын
I believe he would have said so, he would still go to prison for SA but not murder. In my opinion.
@natalielawrence8809
@natalielawrence8809 2 ай бұрын
Why would she be shocked that they were together when she sent them to the bedroom upstairs together while she allegedly slept downstairs?
@LadyGwenavere
@LadyGwenavere 2 ай бұрын
I have thought the very same thing. So you are not alone in your thoughts
@Jenahh-aye
@Jenahh-aye 2 ай бұрын
This has been my gut feeling since the beginning. I hope someone in her family loved Maddie enough to turn on Jen. Because I have a feeling they know.
@LadyGwenavere
@LadyGwenavere 2 ай бұрын
@@Janadu I'm glad I'm not the only one who has thought this. It's my feeling too. It's just horrible. I think about my two girls and how lucky I feel to know that they grew up without having to endure anything like this.
@OahuGizzy
@OahuGizzy 2 ай бұрын
He says “Nothing but love here”. What a jerk!
@yesseniaayala2664
@yesseniaayala2664 2 ай бұрын
It broke my heart that after they did her autopsy, she got cremated right away. The mom knew and she wanted to get rid of the evidence.
@weskelly4538
@weskelly4538 2 ай бұрын
Ugh. That poor little girl. Even in death her mom just wanted her gone. She never stood a chance with these evil freaks around her
@yesseniaayala2664
@yesseniaayala2664 2 ай бұрын
@@weskelly4538 yes, the mom definitely knew. Why have her cremated right away and didn’t even attend her funeral.
@kellyschultz485
@kellyschultz485 10 күн бұрын
I guarantee the Autopsy provided all the evidence they needed. Keep in mind, the results are not public. I am looking forward to this trial because I believe they are going to find out from the Toxicology report that Sterns was drugging her. Both Jen and Sterns had Narcotics in the house. We cannot discount the possibility that the Autopsy showed she was Pregnant. This would be the motive.
@tracievendetta1908
@tracievendetta1908 2 ай бұрын
Gray Hughes is a joke
@kimberlychelen9890
@kimberlychelen9890 2 ай бұрын
Who is he? I mean, I really know almost zero about this guest.
@tracievendetta1908
@tracievendetta1908 2 ай бұрын
@@kimberlychelen9890 he’s a KZbin creator. I don’t like his channel or opinions.
@kimberlychelen9890
@kimberlychelen9890 2 ай бұрын
​@@tracievendetta1908 I very much appreciate detour directions when I receive them. Thank you, friend. EnjoYour evening!
@CT_1999
@CT_1999 2 ай бұрын
Next time ask Pubes if he thinks it’s okay for a step dad to sleep alone in the same bed as his teenage step daughter. 😮😅
@cherdanland
@cherdanland 2 ай бұрын
Lmfao "Pubes" 🤣🤣🤣😭
@denisedenise7115
@denisedenise7115 2 ай бұрын
People keep saying her mother failed her, yes her mother did and her mother also is the person that killed her. She offered that girl to him and he starting liking have giving all his attention to her and that mother mot jealous. She was jealous of Maddy, but he is who disposed of the body. Maddy's own friend said her and him would talk and text all time, and she never gave the impression that Maddy was afraid of him.....
@christinem2511
@christinem2511 2 ай бұрын
I believe this as well. SS is absolute a disgusting predator but he was clearly distraught during the news interviews after she “went missing”. IMO
@paulapreston5167
@paulapreston5167 5 күн бұрын
Jennifer Soto should be in jail….. telling her 13 year old daughter to go to bed with a 36-year-old man. That woman should be prosecuted. Justice for Maddie.
@onimendez7735
@onimendez7735 2 ай бұрын
I also wonder about the grandmother. Did she as a close family member NEVER suspect anything odd ?? So many people turned a blind eye, even the school counselor. Rest in peace and freedom dear Maddie ✝️ 🙏 💛
@KimberlyBishh
@KimberlyBishh 2 ай бұрын
She did know, she saying she knew that he was doing it along with Jenn! Why would she say that if she didn't know??
@Nannerchan
@Nannerchan 2 ай бұрын
He is 💯 guilty. They are trying to get the mom to testify against him. They do not need her.
@bayleenicole2096
@bayleenicole2096 2 ай бұрын
The mom knew. What woman this day and age doesn’t go through their mans phone or catch onto any signs from their man ESPECIALLY THEIR CHILD !
@rlnstn9300
@rlnstn9300 2 ай бұрын
When Jen was shown the graphic pic of Sterns abusing Madeline- I wonder what was going through her mind.
@kaemarie1605
@kaemarie1605 2 ай бұрын
She's not comfortable lying. She's covering for the boyfriend.
@wendymiesowitz1897
@wendymiesowitz1897 2 ай бұрын
She is more than covering for SS. She used the GoFundMe money to hire a lawyer for herself. JEN SOTO DID NOT ATTEND MADDIES FUNERAL. It all adds up to me. Shady shady soulless woman.
@wendymiesowitz1897
@wendymiesowitz1897 2 ай бұрын
And Jen Soto NEVER SHED A TEAR!
@jendee1260
@jendee1260 2 ай бұрын
i don’t think it’s that g-rated.
@MDC8915
@MDC8915 2 ай бұрын
I am really disappointed in court tv and vinnie for having this grey Hugh’s guy on, one listen to one of his lives and he tells you all you need to know about the type of person this man. He is a raging narcissist speaks horrible to the people that call. Please stop having g this man on, there are other really good KZbinrs with a much better personality.
@Danish_girl
@Danish_girl 2 ай бұрын
Agree! He is an awful grifter!
@toribern816
@toribern816 2 ай бұрын
@@MDC8915 yes his lives are horrible he just begs for money and talks down to callers. Who even does “call in” type radio stuff anymore anyway? He’s still in 1990. 😂
@pennynash5410
@pennynash5410 2 ай бұрын
Agree! Will not watch him at all! And I’m so disappointed that Court TV has him on their show. If they keep having him on, I’m out.
@SusanH578
@SusanH578 2 ай бұрын
I agree! He’s a know it all & I tried watching a few episodes of his but couldn’t get through either of them! He’s a complete a$$ to anyone that offers their opinion & calls them out saying they’re idiots, etc. I know he donates money but I cannot stand watching people ask for money over & over or they constantly have their mods or they themselves post about donating to the channel!
@salliem424
@salliem424 2 ай бұрын
Is this true? I watched a few videos with interviews in this case and he seemed okay. Maybe I'm missing something. Tbf I have never watched any of his lives.
@charlottew8062
@charlottew8062 2 ай бұрын
Have they gone through her phone and computer? Her texts etc. They should also look through the phones and computers of her other boyfriends and see if this was wide spread. They might be innocent and they shouldn't release their names, but since it's child abuse better be on the safe side and check everyone
@resellingandthrifting
@resellingandthrifting 2 ай бұрын
Vinnie will this case be shown on court tv?
@salliem424
@salliem424 2 ай бұрын
It depends on if they go to trial. Rumor is his defense is working on a plea deal.
@darlaangel7853
@darlaangel7853 2 ай бұрын
Jen, Was Disassociated from her Daughter,wanted Little to Nothing,to Do with Maddie 😢😢😢 Some women feel Threatened when their daughters start Maturing,& men start paying Them,Attention! Ive seen it First Hand in My Own Family,Its DISGUSTING, but True 😢😢😢
@moniemone5824
@moniemone5824 2 ай бұрын
I believe that Madeline got pregnant by him, and he and mom decided to get rid of her! Smh!
@toyiaharrison1922
@toyiaharrison1922 2 ай бұрын
YES, YES, YES! I totally agree & said this at the beginning of her disappearance!!!😮
@nicolehaleybrown
@nicolehaleybrown 2 ай бұрын
That is an absolutely vile situation but sadly it's possible ☹️
@noneya23
@noneya23 2 ай бұрын
Her mom needs to be held accountable! She basically handed this man her child in a silver platter 🤮 sickening
@Nothemomma904
@Nothemomma904 2 ай бұрын
A psychologist who specializes is CSA said on record there would have been multiple of physical signs of sexual abuse as well As non verbal behavior. Falling asleep in class etc
@mpol701
@mpol701 15 күн бұрын
That's a bit odd as it covers other thugs as well autistic, adhd and other issues, think yes further investigations but u can't just put it dien to knowing it's sa
@duchessmartinez2035
@duchessmartinez2035 2 ай бұрын
Now lets look at mom..... Neglegent? Absolutely! Suspicious? Absolutely! Can anything be proved? I would like to know....
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