Executor Super Star Destroyer vs CSO Covenant Supercarrier (29km) | Star Wars vs Halo: Who Would Win

[@Shugadonk]

The covenant are not "used" to fighting the unsc, if anything their weapons are really new to them. They have thousands of years of experience with combating each other's energy based weapons, it isn't new to them at all. In Halo 2 you can even hear elites scream "ITS LODGED IN ME!" when they get shot with a bullet.

[@eugeneoliveros5814]

Enderbroseff I was laughing my ass off when I heard one of them say something like that

[@randomnepali7772]

Advanced game of Tag.

[@joestar3335]

@@eugeneoliveros5814 for real? I've never heard them say that line

[@lemon_curry_]

@Thelondonbadger skull? Do you mean the IWHBYD skull?

[@SebastiannaitsabaS]

@Zachaios they are a very small percentage of covenant weapons and the brutes who use spikers joined the covenant very shortly before the human-covenant war also the needler was quite common but not nearly as common as the plasma pistol/rifle

[@FalcoAcePilot]

we honestly havent seen stardestroyers do something powerful ever .... in the movies

[@rickregina5053]

Aside from crashing into the Death Star.

[@arielquelme]

yeah im more into if the Movie at least show how Executor will do 'base delta zero' maneuver.

[@keenanbartlome8153]

except in the sequels.

[@tjohn6041]

Rick Regina after getting taken out by an A-Wing

[@grandadmiralthrawn8116]

tjohn6041 it was taken down by an entire fleet of ships, the a wing was just the finishing blow

[@chapsonacouch245]

Another thing to note is that imperial ships have exposed bridges, which is a terrible design for a space ship (the executor literally died from one star fighter hitting it) whereas large covenant ships generally keep their control centres within the ship, much better protected

[@punctuationman334]

Dick Johnson Star Wars writers have a very low iq.

[@Ganiscol]

They clearly took a cue from military ships with their exposed bridge. Only that CIC is not there but more protected to maintain operation capabilities even if the bridge was destroyed. I suppose Star Wars absolutely needs windows to steer any ship and as such its impossible to bury the bridge and other control centers deep inside the ships hull to eliminate the possibility of a decapitation strike. 🤷🏻‍♂️

[@jason59k55]

the shields are mostly protecting the bridge, and the shields themselves are also protected by the maximum

[@Ceece20]

@@punctuationman334 they also pretty much just were writing a Space Opera, where Halo they were writing a space military video game. One is for show, one is for practical fantasy.

[@CommissarChaotic]

I think I read that part in Halo the Flood

[@ssfbob456]

The Covenant have one major advantage over the Executor: Pinpoint accurate slipspace travel, which includes short range jumps. They can literally just jump into its blind spot, fire, and repeat until the fight is over.

[@tallerstond8105]

they can literally even just slipspace right above it and then use its energy projectors

[@frost7463]

An executor has more then 5,000 weapons. I highly doubt it has any blind spots.

[@spoofy8867]

@@frost7463 and yet 5000 weapons couldn’t take out a single A-wing...

[@frost7463]

Because that said Executor was being shot by the entire rebel fleet. Also, have you ever heard of the term Plot Induced Stupidity? It's the exact reason characters like Master Chief and Luke survived boarding High Charity and the Death Star. The A-Wing pilot only survived because the plot said so.

[@spoofy8867]

@@frost7463 so your argument goes from “because the ship was under heavy attack”, to “because the plot’s logic is stupid”? C’mon mate, make up your bloody mind and run with it. FYI, there was legitimate reason for Luke and chief to survive their respective space stations, are you arguing their escapes were stupid or how they got onboard in the first place?

[@thegoatking9506]

if the shielding of the executor were that strong then that guy who flew his fighter into the bridge was probably a supermagician

[@AnnatarCarvour]

the goat king the shield generator towers had been taken out

[@Raving_Rando]

While the shield was up...... HOW DOES THAT WORK!?

[@fermitthekrog6318]

I don't think you saw the movie then... here's a quote from it."Sir, we've lost our bridge deflector shield." "Intensify forward firepower, I don't want anything to get through." "Too late.".

[@corbinhauser7758]

The executor took a rebel ship coming out of hyper space directly and didn’t even stop moving

[@coletrain8494]

Yes, the shields had been taken out, but if they were that strong they wouldn't even have been able to be brought down.

[@talandar5773]

It definitely seems like the numbers are skewed for the Empire. If they actually had the ability to manipulate that much energy there would be much more effective ways to wage and win wars than what happens in Star Wars.

[@Aldo-A113]

Skewed by a Star Wars "fan"atic phD (Curtis Saxton) who dickrides his franchise while inflating his numbers.

[@remenencenda768]

@@magnus9564 that wouldn't make earth unihabitable, asteriods do that because of the debri from the asteriod breaking up stopping light from reaching the ground

[@grandadmiralthrawn8116]

Absolute Heretic now that rise of sky walker is out we can see the that the energy that can be generated by Star Wars ships is pretty substantial. Also keep in mind that the sith star destroyer is less than 3 kilometers long and the executor is 19 kilometers long so it’s going to have much larger/ more reactors to power its weapons

[@grandadmiralthrawn8116]

Absolute Heretic Well for that ship to exist it would kinda have to mean that. And it’s not like anything super special is powering this thing either, it’s powered by a solar ionization reactor just like a normal ISD.

[@grandadmiralthrawn8116]

Absolute Heretic I’m not saying it’s the same ship I’m just saying they use the same type of technology to power the thing. Anyway the executor absolutely destroys the super carrier

[@arstotzkanatthedmz4486]

Executor has one bridge, gets taken out by a single fighter breaking through the defenses. Hits self, empire, why

[@thegamingzilla6269]

Arstotzkan At The DMZ and covenant bridges ar located semi center of there ships so try taking it out with a fighter

[@isimiel3405]

it had an entire fleet pounding it

[@arstotzkanatthedmz4486]

Isimiel That's still one, very small, very vulnerable bridge.

[@MrMcp1995]

A fleet comprised of a handful of capital ships and a slightly larger number of frigates and corvettes, the entirety of which likely didn't equal the mass of the Executor alone.

[@isimiel3405]

never said it was an intelligent design ¯\_ツ_/¯

[@mrsegagamecube6419]

If the 200 gigaton number is accurate, then the death star is as pointless as tits on a fish. It's estimated it would take 30trillion tons of tnt to blow up our moon. Given additional mass, we can guess it would take triple to quadruple that about to blow up earth putting it between 90 and 120 trillion tons of tnt to destroy our planet. The Executor can put out, again if the 200 gigaton number is accurate, with its 4000 turbo lasers and heavy turbo lasers the equivalent of 800,000 gigatons of tnt everytime it unleashes a full turbo laser salvo. A gigaton equals one billion tons of tnt. This means that 800,000 gigatons equals 800 trillion tons of tnt. That means one salvo is enough to turn a planet into a vapor cloud. Alternatively if the shields really are that powerful, the Executor could just crank it's shields to max, shift then full forward and ram a planet and destroy it. Now we have to then consider that this ship can shrug off the full firepower of itself as seen when Reaper dueled Lusankya in the Battle of Orinda. There is not a ship in science fiction or fantasy that can, one on one, out perform the Executor class Super Star Destroyer in an engagement. This 200 gigaton turbo laser number cannot be accurate is it defies even Star Wars logic and causes Star Wars to make no sense whatsoever.

[@danielboyas7645]

Darth Marth Makes the death star seem pointless doesn't it

[@funguy873]

Darth Marth Agreed, maybe turning it down to megatons or even kilotons will be a good first step. Also the number of weapon emplacements on ships are also ridiculous, and that goes for the standard ISDs as well

[@arstotzkanatthedmz4486]

Darth Marth As usual fucking thrawn always correct....smh no one listens to the genius.

[@Legionzzzz1]

Well actually canonically the weapon placement number will probably be the same as the legends material. Since the imperial star destroyer in the new cannon is exactly the same weapon wise as the legends one. You can even look it up on the wiki same weapons, same number even the same brand.

[@Legionzzzz1]

+Chris Pearson I would argue against that since we can see that turbolasers can and do completely vaporize meteors in a single shot and that is cannon since it was in the movies, which places them as more powerful then a nuclear bomb.

[@adamalexander1496]

To clarify, 200 gigatons would be enough to take out *almost* the entire United States, shattering the earth and the tectonic plates, but not enough to destroy the earth. At this number, why build a death star when you can drive-by a planet with approximately half a dozen turbo laser shots and achieve the same result. A ~100 mega ton shot would turn the state of Massachusetts into a crater, a 6 megaton shot would likely make a crater no more than 12 km in diameter. The legends numbers are completely unreasonable, sadly, as a point defense turret would be able to make an explosion many times the size of the unshielded ship it is shooting at. Based on overall observed effectiveness, and based off practicality in reference to the death star, I'd expect a quad turbo laser to be not even be at payload levels of Little boy and Fat Man. As it would make no sense for a death star if your average capital ship can generate the equivalent of 100s of nukes a minute. Also, due to the vast amounts of electromagnetic disturbance that a covenant energy projector causes, energy shield systems are known to fail within several kilometers of the beam. Likely scenario would be the beam would "force" an opening in the shield of the Executor, which will then cause massive damage to hull integrity and subsytems across a couple kilometers of hull.

[@lukasbredin2298]

yeah lol Star Wars writers really pulled some numbers out of their asses.

[@seantrevathan3041]

Exactly this. The feat we see in Rogue One (the single reactor shot) would not even be worth commenting if we saw this sort of firepower from regular ISD turbolasers. Instead, the Imperial brass were very impressed with it. In fact, why even bring the Death Star to Skariff at the end? Why not just signal a nearby ship to casually do the same level of damage or even one of the DS turbolasers? Completely inconsistent with firepower yields on the order of high gigatons and greater.

[@galacticempire2920]

You know turbolasers have varying power settings, right? And the fact that the higher ends are usually pretty useful for a Base Delta Zero (bombard the entire surface of the planet from orbit), and are usually reserved for that? But you know, let's just assume they go full fucking power all the time instead, and forget that if they did do this all the time, constantly firing at full power all the time, and using the strongest weapons they could muster all the fucking time in their galaxy, there would have been a lot more Rebellion supportive planets, so, it could be a lot more bullshit than you guys are whining about.

[@angerskarin9222]

The question is why not use it full power? there no logicla reason to not go full power while fighting if you can destroy a planet in 4 shots.

[@seantrevathan3041]

There is a logical reason ,and I just stated it: Tarkin knew he had to hurry and destroy the base before the data was stolen; and we knew how fanatical he was about it capturing it in A New Hope so it would make no sense for him to be all dramatic about blowing up the base when a single turbolaser shot could take it out in a second vs the primary laser doing it in a minute. "Sir, we can completely blow up the base in a millisecond with one of a million of the turbolaser implacements on the station or we can do the exact same thing with a single reactor shot from the primary weapon in about a minute. Or order the Star Destroyer right over the base to do it in a millisecond as well." "Oh, gee, let me think." and you're forgetting- full power WASN'T even used. It was a single reactor shot and STILL took about a minute to charge up.

[@brandonhughes8866]

In Return of the Jedi the Executors shields were taken down relative quickly and was destroyed from just an A-wing crashing into the bridge. Based of this alone I think the CSO would win.

[@sidetracker3496]

Brandon Hughes you mean the shield generators you dingus, and that only happened cause it's fighter compliment was out of range to defend it, plus Piat had a death wish. The Executor can solo entire fleets because that ship was DESIGNED to combat other ships.

[@josephduncan1268]

This was all plot armour for the rebellion

[@sgtsaldl]

Also speak of how bumb the empire design their ships sure they look cool and I love them but if you really think about the design you realize how bumb they are.

[@josephduncan1268]

Mathias gilgamesh , the design of star wars ships are actually quite effective, the rebellions plot armour had them win because it's impossible for the rebellion to have the firepower to defeat the death squadron, and the rebellions starfighters are outnumbered ten to one

[@sgtsaldl]

The only thing I could consider an effective design choice is the triangle shape of ship, but between the big ass blind spot and the bridge in plain sight it still a very awkward design for a space ship.

[@brokenursa9986]

I refuse to believe that a turbolaser has an output of 200 gigatons. That kind of energy would level an area the size of New Delhi in a single shot. Also, given the kind of damage they do to enemy ships, i would consider the power of a turbolaser in the kiloton range at most.

[@olegbalashov8497]

Ryan Cauffman in legends, ships could perform base delta zeros. That involved wiping out all life and natural resources often atomising the top soil. 3 regular SDs can do this in a matter of hours. That would require very high yields.

[@Talis17118]

Also, consider that they might drop the output so that they don't destroy the planet just everything living on the surface... they are terraform it if they needed it but a destroyed planet is of no use... Reasons for the destruction of Alderran and others was to get rid of political opponents and insurrectionists of the Empire, a kind of method that doesn't kill off half a galaxy, just a select few.

[@carl-chan3188]

there built to destroy a planets surface

[@potassiumgamer1936]

Ryan Cauffman i side with the more consistent universe. If the turbolasers were really so powerful, episode 5 would have been the death of han solo, leia, chewy and C3PO. One hit should have wiped them out. And the empire WAS trying to kill them, so why not use such high power in the lasers? Because, those numbers, are bollocks. One the other hand, the covenant levels of power remain consistant, not just in the games, but in all the lore too.

[@bingus646]

To compare, the largest nuclear device ever detonated on Earth was 50 megatons, the Tsar Bomb. In Siberia, it could be felt all the way in Western Europe when it was detonated. If a Turbolaser is 200 gigatons, a single shot could take out more than just a city. It'd take out state sized areas. If the Turbolasers were THAT powerful, then as +Potassium gamer said, many heroes would be far dead. If not, that would mean that their ships could survive MASSIVE amounts of damage, and mean that each individual tie fighter could possibly wrack up to gigatons of power with their shots as well.

[@l4dhuntel]

corrections CSO-supercarrier is 28.960 km. and it has atleast 7 energy projectors. remember that energy projector can penetrate trough forerunner installation such as the ark as you see an assault carrier did on Halo wars 2 . shielded or no shielded ship will get shredded by that beam like they where made of paper.

[@arstotzkanatthedmz4486]

l4dhuntel depends on how much output the covenant are using but for a ship as massive as the CSO power output probably isn't an issue.

[@KillerOrca]

The Covenant also used an energy projector to burn straight through several miles of mountain and rubble to get to the Forerunner complex under Menachite Mountain on Reach, and a space-born glassing cannon (basically an energy projector mounted on a space station) nearly three-shot the UNSC Infinity. Plasma is NASTY STUFF.

[@inventor121]

The energy projectors on covenant ships are insane the lower powered ones are easily comparable to nukes. | But the ISD's turbolasers are ridiculous. Considering the size of explosions of a turbolaser bombardment from orbit (aka one shot doesn't completely obliterate the planet) the largest nuke ever made and tested was the Tsar Bomba. "The bomb itself was so powerful that the survival rate for the pilot and crew aboard the plane that dropped it was estimated at 50%, and they were 10 km (about six miles) in the sky and 45 km (28 miles) away when the parachuted bomb detonated at an elevation of about 4 km (2.5 miles). And this is after they reduced the total yield of the bomb by half." As for the results of the half powered bomb... "When detonated, the bomb released a shock-wave so powerful it was noted to have circled the Earth 3 times and was sufficiently powerful enough to shatter the windows of a building 900 KM away… in Finland. To say that the explosion absolutely decimated the area immediately surrounding it is an understatement. The “total destruction” blast radius of the bomb was a full 35 km (22 miles) and every building in a small abandoned village 55 km (34 miles away) was also levelled." Now this massive bomb (at full yield not the half yield test) would be a measly 0.0005% of a single turbolaser shot. If a single turbolaser hit Hiroshima then the resulting explosion would level anything within a 150km radius, kill everyone within a 400km radius, and finally cause everything flammable to catch on fire (including human flesh) within a 1,700 km radius. You would only need 48 turbolaser shots to wipe out all life on Earth. If they had the Executor why the hell would they need a Death Star?| www.todayifoundout.com/index.php/2013/07/the-story-of-the-tsar-bomba/

[@bladefox-ik5iy]

If you take the legends numbers as fact the 7 MACs wouldn't do as much as tickle the Executor. If legends are true then the MACs are about the same power as a low power turbolaser (about the same type that you would see on a CR-90). It's kinda sad that the big, bad capital ship of the covenant has around the same firepower as a legends CR-90 class corvette

[@bladefox-ik5iy]

+Astro_Alphard the empire didn't need the Death Star. As little as 3 ISDs could completely glass the surface of a planet.

[@verdigo1482]

I feel that the CSO would win over the Super Star Destroyer. the only reason I say this is because I also feel that the numbers from the Star Wars Universe have been overcooked. (overcooked as in being indistinguishable from charcoal)

[@casematecardinal]

From ash to be honest

[@shcdemolisher]

Yeah. It’s clearly fans wanking on it to make Star Wars seem formidable/powerful when in reality it can’t when seen in execution on screen.

[@danielfrench5782]

Halopedia has info on the armament of the CSO if you were to do a more statistical video

[@thebiggru2637]

Daniel French I was thinking the same thing.

[@aungmonswe1805]

Daniel French လ🐩

[@SpaceAngelMewtwo]

I don't trust Halopedia very much when it comes to putting numbers to the weapons in the universe. This is likely the same place he got his "gigaton range" for the Super-MAC canons from, but that can easily be proven to be hyper-lowballing through some basic relativistic physics. We know the mass of the shells they would fire and we know their speed. 3000 ton rounds, 0.04c. Anyone who knows how to calculate relativistic kinetic energy will tell you that the "gigaton range" is wrong by many, MANY orders of magnitude. It's actually in the tens of teratons. Whoever came up with a range in the gigatons used Newtonian physics, and whenever you're going fast enough for c to appear in your velocity, special relativity should be used. That's one thing that, as someone with a degree in the physical sciences, I can't stand about this channel. Simple back-of-the-envelope calculations can often prove his numbers wrong. It's obvious that he never checks them. This results in weapons that are apocalyptic in proportions being made into squirt guns, and weapons that are squirt guns by comparison being made into apocalyptic weapons. I refuse to believe there is anything that could tank a shot from a Super-MAC when these things have half the kinetic energy of the asteroid that killed the dinosaurs. The fact that the Mantle's Approach was able to do it is a testament to whatever magic metal it is the Forerunners use, and it would have to be a magic metal fueled by the power of bullshit to not be turned into space dust by a shot that would leave a crater on Earth hundreds of kilometers wide and cause an extinction level event.

[@jackdare]

@@SpaceAngelMewtwo What about a magic metal fueled by the power of neural physics? Anyway, I think Eck studied law rather than the physical sciences & can just analyze data provided by other sources. That's why he always concludes with "... just my opinion..." & asks for ours in comments. Plus that keeps his channel comments busy with debate, so really a smart move from a YT business perspective.

[@shinminamotto]

He really doesn’t research besides Star Wars

[@alturial9021]

Feels like a very important thing that was overlooked were the carrier's plasma torpedoes. They are guided either automatically or manually and miss rarely. Plasma weapons of Halo including these torps have tendancy to drain shields fast, and melt through hulls. And the pulse lasers used for ship to ship and anti fighter combat can melt through most hulls with ease. Not to mention that there are a lot of them. Looking at the Halo Legends episode, "The Package" a small surface of a much smaller Covie ship has dozens of pulse lasers. The focus on the on the energy projector is a little unwartented considering the abilities of the other weapons. Even then they are looked at wrong since CSOs have multiple energy projectors, such as the CSO, in Ghosts of Onyx. They can also can create gigantic glyphs on the face if a planet in a relativly quick time, which has enough power to turn everything it touches into molten glass.

[@KillerOrca]

Multi-kilometer wide, visible from ORBIT glyphs.

[@Marco-fi6gv]

Excellent observation, I was going to suggest the same thing. It isn't just conjecture either. If you look at the war against the yuuzhan vong, their plasma weapons were quite effective against The Shield technology. In fact, it was a huge problem and they were getting their asses kicked pretty bad because of that. There were other factors of course, but that has to be factored in.

[@sierra121cyan]

I feel like he skews these wayy towards the empire. I'm not sure, but I think Imperial ships don't have energy shielding? I mean, weren't there boarding parties in the first original trilogy movie that flew directly onto the hull of one of the ships unstopped? Either way, the torpedos, plasma lances, and multiple glassing ports, along with the ability to deploy more capitol ships from inside the nose of the ship should be enough to easily down one of those. Not to mention the incredible numbers of boarding parties, phantoms, spirits, banshees/space banshees, seraphs, you name it that could ravage the ship easily. On top of that, CSO's energy shielding can stop multiple MAC rounds, which, if you didn't know, are generally ~9 meter diameter tungsten balls that are accelerated to about 9 miles per second (tungsten being one of the heaviest metals we've found on earth), which is so incredibly powerful that it could punch a hole and fatally destroy 2 CAS-class Assault Carriers and cripple a third (if they don't have energy shielding).

[@snekkie117]

he also just overlooked the sheer firepower of 12 plasma lances and 20 plasma heavy beam emitters lol

[@alturial9021]

@@snekkie117 Been a while since I've thought of this vid. I realized a while ago that Eck really did not do enough reading on some of his matchups, and made very weird observations. I always hated whenever he brought up Halo ships and had them fight something cause he'd always downplay them.

[@adarkwind4712]

6:36 “I don’t see the fighters doing a whole lot here” until your shields somehow go down and that one lucky A-wing pilot makes it through literal waves of turbo laser and ship to ship fire to ram you command bridge.

[@arandomperson7713]

yeah, except that said fighter did get shot down and only hit the primary bridge due to plot device.

[@adarkwind4712]

@@arandomperson7713 except he didn’t get shot down. He got hit but he successfully navigated through, again, literal waves of incoming fire and, again, literally rammed through the command bridge. 🤷‍♂️ hey it’s not like suicide pilots haven’t done it in the past despite overwhelming AA fire.

[@M1A2C.]

@@adarkwind4712 BANZAI!

[@adarkwind4712]

@@M1A2C. lol

[@AuriofTheHooligans]

The only CSOs we’ve ever seen destroyed have actually been either luck based, or breached and planted with bombs (sometimes both!) and we’ve never actually seen one destroyed through outright firepower. The only thing that has a chance of killing it without tactical use is a NOVA bomb. The disintegrate planets from miles and miles away.

[@Aredel]

And is, perhaps, the dumbest addition to the UNSC arsenal ever imagined.

[@shcdemolisher]

To be fair, you can’t exactly expect to board and seize a ship that’s got hundreds of thousands in personnel! Unless said ship is grounded, and you have an army in the millions then you might have a chance, sort of.

[@straygaming-u7i]

If a CSO has that much of a firepower, imagine a even bigger one? That was the case for Xytan 'Jar Wattinree, the only Sangheili known to reach the rank of Imperial Admiral. Xytan's flagship was larger than any Covenant ship, including the CSO. A NOVA bomb had to be used to contain Xytan's giga chad power. And as we can see, the NOVA bomb was so strong it not only destroyed the flagship, but also the entire fleet and shattered a moon in half.

[@skylerwilde-mitchell9791]

@@Aredel i'm gonna have to HEAVILY disagree, impractical absolutely but stupid? definitely not considering the purpose of the nova bomb was a last resort super weapon that was only intended to be used if the covenant force was large enough and if the unsc was going to lose all of their forces anyway, and considering the myriad of other superweapons the halo universe has has the nova bomb is nothing.

[@alfredelfgren7598]

Grand Admiral Thrawn vs UNSC Preston J Cole and they will fight in an fleet to fleet scenario and should probably the same fleet so it is more about them (5th attempt)

[@Slobbynobby]

Alfred Elfgren lol that would be cool but u need to specify whats in the fleets however

[@alfredelfgren7598]

Bernard Doyle fixed it

[@joshmiller3032]

YES! The master strategists of Star Wars and Halo. This needs to happen!

[@Slobbynobby]

Josh Miller #the cole meneuver

[@CL-no3si]

I still think Thrawn would win. He is ridiculously good, especially if you give him any prep time whatsoever.

[@vutava8292]

Another thing to keep in mind is how absurdly resilient Covenant ships are. If you don't manage to hit a vital system, you could punch a big hole straight through the middle and it would still be almost perfectly functional.

[@Skriffer]

Out of every ship I've ever seen in Star Wars, I don't think any ship could stand up 1v1 against a CSO... CSO class carriers could probably take on entire fleets of Star Wars destroyers, it's not just that they have a like 100/1 range advantage I believe it is, and that means most fleets would probably get wiped before they even got into range of the CSO... Also to point out Reach was the 2nd most defended place in UNSC controlled space, only 2nd to Earth, and reach was the militaristic planet, so to say a CSO alone is capable to taking on entire planets with ships and other defences... I really don't think many if any ship in Star Wars could beat a CSO

[@joshuawarner7227]

The Eclipse might be able to one shot it

[@davidreruk3924]

I disagree, the Eclipse 1 and the Eclipse 2 would be able to win.

[@John2r1]

@@davidreruk3924 you do realize that the shielding takes a good amount of damage and the main energy projector can on shot ships from a much longer range than the turbo laser. Second thing all the turbo laser have to be manually aimed and fired. The Covenant have AIs . The irony of this video is that the Unsc Infinity is larger than a CSO class supercarrier. And went the opposite on that match up. Despite the Infinity being powered by Forerunner tech. So yeah the CSO could win this due to range.

[@davidreruk3924]

@@John2r1 Yes, I did take that into account!

[@John2r1]

@@davidreruk3924 well most forget about the range of the Covenants primary weapion since during the human covenant war the covenant basically used brute force and didn't care about getting hit by human ships at the time due to their shielding and armor. So depending on the Covenant commander tactics are key in this battle. Trying to go head on against a CSO supercarries is practically suicide.

[@msxbrc]

The reason why the CSO would win this fight any day is actually because of a design mistake that is addressed in human ship in the Halo universe, the same mistake as the Destroyer, which is taken down because the designer put the command deck of the ship in the exposed tower. While most covenant design avoid this stupidity by having the command room hidden inside the ship to protect it. ;)

[@tjohn6041]

Exactly. Star Wars ships are cool, but at their core, they are meant to look good on the screen. Hence they have raised exposed bridges like battleships, and they engage in combat like ships of the line.

[@dr.vanilla9017]

Carriers always beat battleships, ask the Yamato and Bismarck.

[@alexwhite2377]

Exactly! And humanity finally realized that I think and when they constructed UNSC Infinity they put the bridge in a less obvious place.

[@mattia8327]

Even if the bridge was to be taken out, the executor turrets could still fire and destroy the halo ship, please think before you write. And now you are probably going to say, TheN WhY wAs ThE ExEcUtOr dEsTrOyEd in EpIsOde 6? (Again think before you write) the engines were already destroyed by a battle before the destruction of the second death star and the gravitational pull of the death star pulled the executor, now with no engines, into itself.

[@diamondinthesky4771]

*In a crossover universe where the Covenant are at war with the Empire* Elite - "Shipmaster!" Shipmaster - "Yes?" Elite - "They're sending more Star Destroyers!" Shipmaster - "Ah, I see. Well, you know the drill - aim for the towers. I'm going to beat 'Vadomee's 'headshot' record this time!"

[@jasonslomski6656]

The covenant can go into slipspace and Come out where ever they want whenever they want...i think this would be the hardest for the empire to deal with

[@tearfullotus3825]

Jason Slomski. I wonder if an interdictor would be able to halt slipspace. (Yes, I know interdictors were used for blocking and pulling ships out of hyperspace.)

[@mortidragon]

It couldn't. Slipspace is basically entering a portal.

[@tearfullotus3825]

I am aware of that, it was just a thought as the Interdictors projectors alter space itself. I wouldnt have made that comment not knowing what slipspace was.

[@tearfullotus3825]

Since it alters space (obviously to a very limited extent), I was personally wondering if it would affect the ability of the slipspace drive to pull the two points (entry and exit) together.

[@tjohn6041]

Thelondonbadger yep. We see a CAS Class carrier exit slip space in New Mombassa BETWEEN BUILDINGS!!!!

[@simonsmith1455]

In the animated comic Halo Evolutions: The Return, you can see just how much damage the a supercarrier glassing beam can do. The scar left from even one of these weapons leaves a craterous trench miles in in width, large enough to be seen from orbit and which takes multiple days to walk across. Whilst the individual turbo-lasers of the Empire may be more powerful than the anti-capitol weapons of the Covenant, this single weapon is more powerful than anything but the Deathstars super-laser

[@kingxkai1179]

Simon Smith ok I've also wondered did those count as canon cuzz it never seemed to be any classification on that and it probably doesn't help that 343 is in charge but if u could clarify that u would really make my day😉😄

[@KillerOrca]

It was.

[@josesanchezrodriguez1783]

And the eclipse's super laser

[@joshuahadams]

The online thing close to a plasma lance in Star Wars canon is the battering ram thing the First Order used in ‘The Last Jedi’, and that was based on “miniaturized Death Star tech”. Plasma lances would probably just melt through pretty much everything in their way.

[@ThePppp89]

The fireball radius alone of a 200 gigaton nuclear weapon would be 63.37 kilometers wide (according to Nuke Map classic). The shockwave, thermal radiation, etc. being large enough to nearly cover the entire US. So. No.

[@derrickmeade4891]

Why not? If the super Mac is around 10 gigatons and the star wars universe on a whole is more advanced then why not

[@ibymalik4139]

Its just that star wars is so stupidly inconsistent with the damage of its weapons like how did the falcon even survive a single shot from a turbo laser if it can do that stupidly high amount of damage

[@Aredel]

@@derrickmeade4891 Because the Death Star becomes the most pointless invention to ever exist in the history of Star Wars.

[@Red-jb2zj]

TLDR: Star Wars is very inconsistent from movie to movie and series to series. I think an important thing to remember about Star Wars is that the weapons, equipment and characters are as strong or as weak as the writers need them to be. For example, there is not a great amount of consistency with how the shields work. In the movies they appear to be projected slightly off the surface of the ship. We see Slave 1's blaster bolts exploding all around Kenobie's star fighter during the chase scene above Geonosis. In the Clone Wars CGI series its depicted as a surface shield. In both they can be adjusted to increase defense in one area at the expense of another. Again this is not consistent. Gold Leader at the start of his trench run on Death Star 1 ordered shields to double front which sounds like they adjusted the projectors to provide 2 layers of shielding to that area. General Greivous prior to maneuvering through asteroids to engage Republic forces dropped rear shields to increase the power of the forward shields which sounds like the forwards shields were now twice as strong but still only had 1 layer. If they can't get this right what makes anyone believe that they can get something as complicated as a laser/plasma hybrid (Blaster) weapon right.

[@nobleghost1177]

Thel'Vadam vs Pre Vizsla (Halo vs Star Wars)

[@lunaticlocket2749]

NobleGhost117 I actually really want to see that. I agree with that

[@TheInspire96]

Is Vizsla fully equipped? What equipment is Vadam using?

[@nobleghost1177]

I was thinking Vadam would be equipped with his Arbiter loadout (so either Plasma Rifle or the Carbine, and an energy sword) and Vizsla would have his Death Watch armor, guns, and equipment (oh, and the darksaber)

[@lunaticlocket2749]

TheInspire96 Vadam is using cloak, plasma gernades, the prophet's babe and a convenabt carbine. While Visla is using the duel pistols

[@lunaticlocket2749]

And his dark blade, jet back and wrist launcher. Though remember the Arbiter's armor is stronger than Visla's

[@gracecalis5421]

You really need to stop using Legends as a standpoint. 400 gigatons per shot...The fuck did they need the Death Star for then?

[@stephenwalsh2476]

Exactly. Whoever came up with that was 100% on crack

[@insomniacbritgaming1632]

Legends isn't Canon

[@ibymalik4139]

Pretty sure the death star was made to fight threats from outside the galaxy that the emperor thought were gonna come

[@alanvm9]

The CSO has plasma cannons :v tons of them :v you didn't say that Covenant supercarriers are thought to be the most powerful non-Forerunner space-faring vessels ever created. Carrying seven lethal energy projectors, thousands of pulse lasers and point defense turrets, plasma torpedo launchers and hundreds of squadrons of Seraph-class single ship fighters, a Covenant supercarrier is an even match for fleets of ships, capable of obliterating even Assault Carriers and certainly any human vessels. So... I am sorry SW universe, a single CSO could obliterate an entire empire fleet :v

[@davecrupel2817]

You're not wrong

[@Lanay_]

yes but actually no

[@BigTylt]

And all so the Covenant could worship dead aliens and subjugate methane bois.

[@Myles452]

Yup

[@CommissarChaotic]

@@BigTylt the power of faith for ya

[@keithw4920]

Basically in a nutshell, you go by the books like the cross-sections, SW beats _everything_ including ST and WH40k but you go by Episode 1-9 screen performance, SW loses to just about everything.

[@PeterMuskrat6968]

Personally I’m going to go with Onscreen accuracy before anything else.

[@keithw4920]

@@PeterMuskrat6968 I understand, but its just really really lame in the sake of 'Hollywood'. e.g. the 60km wide Supremacy cannot even take down the shields of a Rebel Cruiser with sustained bombardment?

[@PeterMuskrat6968]

@@keithw4920 yeah and the reason they gave was “it’s out of range” was a little lame.

[@Pepsi-Mann21]

200 gigatons per shot isn't that much compared to other high-end showings.

[@keithw4920]

@@Pepsi-Mann21 Yeah but its a lot compared to what it does on screen. Like literally millions more.

[@genericscout5408]

For how many powerful weapons Star Wars has, they use NONE of them. If these weapons are this powerful and exist in such abundance why are they never used nor shown? Either GROSS GROSS INCOMPETENCE or they just don't exist IMO.

[@Raving_Rando]

Exactly.

[@deriznohappehquite]

Generic Scout basically, the Legends/guidebook writers pulled numbers out of their ass.

[@jblumanog4291]

It’s lazy writing at its finest

[@ratlord2898]

ever heard of the death star -canon -blows up planets in a single shot

[@Graham.556]

plot protection lol

[@willpowell2411]

It's funny how the super star destroyer has the shield strength of the sun, yet it is destroyed because of its Shields being taken down by a few a-wings and then the bridge being destroyed. The CSO supercarrier was destroyed by a SLIPSPACE DRIVE, half the ship was teleported to oblivion and that was the only way the UNSC could destroy it with the fire power they had on reach. The rebel alliance in theory had no chance of taking down the super star destroyer yet they did. Just imagine the rebel alliance against the super carrier, there is no possible way they can win. But the unsc if the unsc went up against the super star destroyer they would have a much easier job. This just shows how much more powerful the CSO super carrier is than the super star destroyer.

[@Raving_Rando]

Exactly.

[@greyscaleb1537]

It wouldn't make much of a difference the other faction wouldn't know where the shield generators are located and even if they did that same thing that kamikazi pilot did it wouldn't make much of a difference since it is not near a Deathstar which generated it's own gravity.

[@skezeksskybreaker5425]

I am willing to bet that an average MAC round of 600 tons and 30,000 meters per-second that can be tanked by a regular Covenant Carriers shields is more powerful than the asteroid that took out the Star Destroyers bridge in Empire Strikes Back. Which leads me to believe that the covenant have better shields than the Empire. Also how they can just shoot the bridge deflector shields with a single shot and an A-wing crashed into the Executor causing it to crash into the 2nd Death Star.

[@greyscaleb1537]

Skezeks Skybreaker That bridge wasn't destroyed the Asteroid itself got destroyed.

[@skezeksskybreaker5425]

Derrick Simmons it is heavily implied that it did. The asteroid would not have exploded like TNT if it was just the asteroid and not the bridge. The Imperial Officer on Vader's hologram putting his hands up and fading out suggested this as well. From a narrative standpoint it showed that the Vader was willing to go to any lengths in perusing the Falcon. Sure you could say it was just made to look that way and the asteroid only destroyed their comm system. But seems less likely with the way that it was portrayed.

[@Spartan9320]

As another point, look at the Bridge placements for both. The Covenant have their Bridges in the CENTER of their ships, completely surrounded by the armor and shields. Star Destroyers (like the UNSC ships) are very exposed and vulnerable to a well placed shot. I know this wasn't discussed either, but Covenant weaponry is very accurate, in one of the books, a covenant flagship was practically sniping UNSC ships with it's energy projector/lance, while keeping out of range of the Super Macs. Covenant ship armor as well is made from a material like what the MJOLNIR armor was made from, which disperses heat and energy across the plating.

[@ikeh1565]

ssd's also supposedly have a secondary bridge within the ship (I have never personally read this and so it should not be taken as fact)

[@George-Hawthorne]

When you do the official matchup keep this in mind the Supercarrier has 7 energy projectors

[@michaelcowen5956]

I like the comparison, it covers pretty much all we know about the supercarrier and the constantly fluctuating Star Wars power levels for their ships. Good job.

[@scpWyatt]

Covenant just need to say one thing and the fight is over: “commence boarding action.”

[@Confusingperson]

Covenant with the glassing beam. Empire be like, we need to have that.

[@gavinpierce2845]

Okay you cant keep using legends. It's non canon so none of it counts. The numbers are completely ludicrous.

[@gavinpierce2845]

Cerrie Discordia no. Its not. Where did you hear that? Disney made it VERY clear the Expanded Universe(which they made Legends) was NOT canon.

[@gavinpierce2845]

Cerrie Discordia and who owns Lucasfilms? Disney

[@enochmenor5671]

@@gavinpierce2845 with how they made starwars now I think they should just drop whatever Canon is already

[@Ryan-rd4kc]

Gavin Pierce don't be salty cuz ur halo shit gets wrecked, just because a different company brand something differently than before doesn't make it so, just cuz they bought it doesn't mean they can dictate what is and what was. "Legends" is the art of the original Lucasfilm, run by the man who created Star Wars, not some Disney clown. I'm with Lucas m8

[@Powner37]

Don, buddy you are the salty one because Disney made most of the Star Wars media non canon. If something is not canon to its fictional universe, than it's on the same level as fan made fiction. When comparing two fictional universes only canon material matters and contributes to the discussion. Not only would the CSO Covenant Supercarrier defeat the Executor, but the Forerunners from the Halo universe would defeat the entire Star Wars galaxy by themselves.

[@williehemphill5944]

Covenant boarding forces would destroy star wars forces in a boarding scenerio they're used to fighting the rebals or other military forces not insane religious zelots who are often times suicidal and whereas the covenants plasma based weapons wouldn't be effective something like an energy sword or the carbine would rip right through star wars armors like a hot knife through butter

[@theducking8827]

@Thelondonbadger yeah, it is superheated plasma, shaped by gravitational energy that gives it a solid structure and maintainable shape.

[@theducking8827]

@Thelondonbadger I'm guessing no armor in starwars can withstand a energy sword( unless of course we bring in some crazy legends material). A light saber and an energy sword is quite different in composition,as a lightsaber is more like a energy produced from a crystal, and an energy sword is pure heat energy.

[@TheAstrobiologistOW]

The CSO is the size of a city and has nearly a million personnel aboard. It's bonkers.

[@brandoncarriveaux6717]

He says that UNSC ships had weak shields, but I'm pretty sure they didn't have any.

[@MPHIY17]

Eckhart, do you think that maybe the wiki has the location of the energy projectors wrong? I asked because Sins of the Prophets, a Sins of a Solar Empire: Rebellion mod, has the ORS-class as having two projectors that both have the ability to fire in a narrow cone in the front of the ship. In the Halo books - most notably the Kilo Five trilogy by Karen Traviss - the ventral beam was a glassing weapon and not the energy projector. To support this the covenant ships in Halo: The Fall of Reach by Eric Nylund also use energy projectors and give me the impression that the weapons hit at light speed. Looking back at available footage of any Covenant ship's ventral beam we can clearly see that the beam doesn't move anywhere near that speed as there is a small - but extremely noticeable - lag time when it's being fired. To wrap this up: 1) It makes no sense for the Covenants most powerful ship-to-ship offensive weapon to be on the underside of the vessel. The Covenant are aggressive but not stupid. 2) in the FoR (book 1) the weapon is described as a flash of energy - caught only because Cortana was able to sift through the video and look for the tiny number of frames the energy pulse existed in. What do you think? Does this affect the outcome of some of your videos? Also, can y'all like this so Eckhart sees it? I hate begging for attention but I *really* think this would be useful for him to know (if he doesn't already). :D

[@futbolluva]

The ventral beam is primarily a planetary bombardment weapon. It isn't typically used in ship to ship combat unless they happen to fly over their target. Now keep in mind though, in space "over" your target doesn't mean much. Just turn upwards at 90 degrees and all of the sudden the ventral beam is aimed at them, should you wish to use it. No, primarily the covies use their energy projectors and plasma torpedos.

[@turboshocker0836]

The reason the glassing beam is on the underside is for a better angle for destroying planets because if it we're on the front of the vessel it would have to point directly towards the planet so if it were on the underside then it would be a optimal position for destruction at least that's my thinking

[@dynestis2875]

The CSO would literally oneshot the executor with its energy projector from some 80.000km

[@BeBetter22992]

ARC troopers VS elite rangers

[@HalfDecentTrashCollection2001]

Or Spec-Ops elites.

[@BeBetter22992]

Isaac Zelinski True, but that would give the ARC troopers an advantage of a bit longer range (usually). Since spec ops elites usually carry energy swords and medium range plasma rifles.

[@HalfDecentTrashCollection2001]

hm, true. Ultras and rangers, maybe?

[@abrandon99]

Spartan Abrams the elites also got clocking tech, and they are fast af.

[@BeBetter22992]

ProbablyAble A Also true, forget my previous statement.

[@jackurquhart7994]

the CSO would see the Super Star Destroyer from the other side of the solar system and would do a pin point jump right behind it and melt it with plasma torpedoes after destroying its shields

[@DaviesMartinezBeats]

That glassing laser kicks arse..... It's just too bad.....

[@FancyGonkBoi]

Predator-class fighter (TIE Predators) vs X-83 TwinTail starfighter

[@jediarchives7826]

Tie Defender would be a better match

[@a.morphous66]

Yeah. Defender vs. Twin Tail.

[@brandonsmith975]

Considering that a CAS class has 11 “glassing beams” and is 1/6 the length of a CSO roughly, I’d imagine the CSO would have at least 30 plasma lances. And most likely considerably more. An Executor would get carved up by a CSO before it could get in range to attack. Not to mention the stealth capabilities of the CSO as well. IMO there’s no contest

[@shcdemolisher]

Plus the CSO would target critical systems to disable the Executor then board it, massacring the attempt to repel them, eventually taking the bridge, epic sword fight with Vader, resulting in the ship being taken.

[@lemonke1709]

I mean imagine the thousands of turbolasers ion canons and proton torpedos

[@shcdemolisher]

@@lemonke1709 of course the CSO would take a lot of damage as both ships would, respectively. But one would have an easier time boarding, as I can imagine attempts by Imperial boarding craft to go for hangers instead of airlocks as they can’t identify them visually. Which…… yeah that’s not gonna end well. And even if they did get on board, anti-boarding teams would swarm and overrun them efficiently.

[@lemonke1709]

@@shcdemolisher boarding a ship of this size is suicidal

[@ZhengIsRight]

I find it always funny to talk the Executor up so much when it didn't score even a single on-screen capital ship kill in the OT and went down in an incredibly anti-climactic fashion. The definition of a paper tiger. Comparable to the RL Yamato. Strongest battleship of its time, didn't sink any other capital ships, went down without much of a fight to an air raid.

[@bluekunt]

Dude an executor is literally just a moving platform with thousands of turbolasers, each one having the strength of a nuke, the carrier is just done.

[@Undeadspartan042]

The CSO would annihilate the SSD. The beam projectors would cut through the hull of the executor like a hot knife through butter

[@spartan117zm]

I would think that if the Covenant could maneuver their ship into a position to fire their primary canon into the bridge of the SSD, the SSD would go down very quickly. And I also think that what you said about so much power being put on one point of the SSD's shields is something that would bring it down, because if you look at the point in Episode VI where the A-wing crashed into the bridge of the ship, it completely took it out. I think the Covenant ship would rightly win the fight, even if the SSD is using Legend's numbers.

[@seanquinn2521]

They could use slip space to appear right above them and just start glassing the crap out of it

[@ikeh1565]

the a wing hit the bridge once the shield projectors were destroyed by bombers after the sheilds were weakened by a few minutes of the rebel fleet focusing their entire firepower on it. The A-wing then hit the bridge and the ship went down from this being the final straw, the ssd had a secondary bridge but I'm pretty sure that it got taken down into the death star too quickly and had suffered too much damage from the rebel fleet for that to mean anything.

[@ikeh1565]

@@seanquinn2521 appear right above them where the entirety of the ssds weapons can be fired at them lol

[@robertwadsworth3411]

The Covenant have fought in plenty of rebellions so plasma weapons are similar enough to lasers for them to have counters to it.

[@samwoodfield7332]

#EckhartsLadder, Please read my PM I sent In the case of the CSO Vs Executor, the CSO would destroy the Executor Absolutely and Utterly: For example let us assume that the number of turbolaser is spread evenly across the Executor with around 2000 on top and bottom of the ship, this means at any one time only 2000 can fire upon the CSO due to the ships firing arcs. One turbolaser as you point out destroys a asteroid in a single shot vaporising it, assuming the asteroid is made of Iron, this means that the turbolaser is around 250TJ. The Executor can fire 2000 of these at any one time toward the CSO, this means that the ship can output 500,000 TJ of Energy. A Single supermac cannon outputs an energy of around 51.6 gigatons of TNT, converted into Tera-Joules, this puts the shield strength of a CSO carrier in excess of 215894399.99999756 TJ this means that the shields can take assuming 1 turbolaser fires a second meaning 2000 Shots per second, theoretically meaning that 431.78 Seconds of repeated damage to the ships shields can be sustained. Since a turbolaser is light and a covenant energy projector is light, each shot will take exactly the same amount of time to reach each ship, they both travel at c (Light Speed) Due to a CSO carrier more than likely having weapons greater than those of a UNSC Supermac, since it is more than 20 as large as a Supermac gun, therefore if the UNSC can build such a weapon, the Covenant can outdo the Supermac, therefore the glassing beam of a CSO would be at least tens if not hundreds as times as powerful as a Supermac therefore being able to annihilate a Executor class star destroyer. We also know from the battle of Reach that a CSO can take a shot from an ODP Supermac Platform. PS: It would whoop the Death Star's Ass aswell :)

[@hackapell666]

Sam Woodfield another point to be made is the cso's sensors. That thing can shoot with it's energy projector at anything it detects. As opposed to starwars where even the deathstar has a limited range. The super start destroyer would have to endure waves of those beams hitting it to even close to engagement range. And at this point we're only talking about the energy projectors and not it's waves and waves of plasma torpedos which a single one could cripple a unsc frigate.

[@Jalip07]

As long as you're simply making assumtions without claiming them to be fact with zero proof, I'm fine with it. Also, I don't know about the Covenant weapons, but they rarely shoot with lasers in Star Wars. It is actually plasma, just like in Halo, so they travel slower than Bullet if we talk blaster wise.

[@RabidDeathknight]

Sam Woodfield Another point in the CSO's favor is the Covenant can do in-system jumps with great accuracy. So while impractical, they could just jump close and let loose with their glassing beam.

[@Jalip07]

Close combat is usually what people say that Star Wars has as a disadvantage, not because they're bad at it, but because according to some people, Star Wars ships has shorter range than other sci-fi ships which I don't know if is true or not. Jumping directly at the arms of the Star Wars armies would be a bad idea.

[@samwoodfield7332]

Jalip07 Well we know that the covenant energy projectors have a massive range on them, for example in the Fall of Reach (Book) we know that a ship of unknown class had 6 and destroyed the UNSC fleet from a massive distance away whereas I maybe wrong but a turbolaser seems to have a short range and it also seems they don't work that well in atmosphere

[@Groobis]

It would also be easy to assume that the Covenant super carrier is much, MUCH more numerous than the super star destroyer.

[@claypidgeon4807]

The CSO has 7 or 8 MAIN energy projectors, monstrously sized for the purpose. It also mounts endless thousands of smaller antiship-grade weapons batteries. While most of these will be plasma-torpedo-firing plasma lines/turrets, some of which are likely to be enormous, it is entirely possible that a CSO-class mounts scores of smaller energy projectors of the type we see on things like the 1.7-kilometer CCS-class battlecruisers. Turbolaser bolts seem to project all their energy into a single point, like with a shaped charge but with plasma - as such, we don’t really see what you might expect of a bomb of similar energy output to a certain turbolaser. However, even with Star Wars EU’s power, we’ve never seen the hard upper limit of a CSO’s power (and I don’t think that Super MACs can one shot them, Halo 2’s events seem to suggest the much smaller CAS-class assault carrier being able to survive several Super MAC hits as 2 CAS-class assault carriers charged dozens at least pointed at them and survived), and as we know that Covenant ship power expands exponentially with size it’s entirely possible that the CSO wins. Disney Star Wars, of course, simply isn’t a viable player here.

[@sebastiangauthier6089]

The Halo: Warfleet book is out, and unfortunately, it doesn't list the CSO-class Supercarrier. It only lists its smaller equivalent, the CAS-class, so if you're planning on redoing this match-up, there's not much from the book you can go by. You're going to have to look up Halopedia and look for similarities between the two ships to get a better understanding of the CSO. As far as I know, the CSO is really just an up-scaled variant of the CAS, so most of its weapons, armor, shielding, and mechanics should be similar.

[@muutay1279]

Droid tri frighter vs tie interceptor

[@kennethkates3140]

2-M Saber class tank vs Armored Assault Tank

[@1986BNick]

A war between the covenant and the galactic empire would be long and hard. They're both juggernauts and are massive.

[@SunnySundance]

*CSO class glasses the enemy* *smaller star wars ships* : lets... Run

[@lukedavid6217]

My mom vs dad

[@kitsychan]

Before we even start, Calling the SSD as the winner. The problem is, the "given" power ratings for turbo lasers is just so high. the source books have "pumped up" the values unrealistically... (i know realism and star wars don't belong in the same sentence) they talk about photon bombs being megaton range. but when we see one go off its barely more then we would expect to see a 500 pound bomb. Turbo lasers are 200-800 gigatons, that would leave a 70-200km blast hole in a planet, and "flash over" thermal effect up to 1600km away. not even close to what we see. So if we go by the "stats given" nothing in any other universe could even stand up to it. as the "volley" of an SSD is far more powerful then even a death star's main gun.

[@Raving_Rando]

Which is why weak metals such as Durasteel can tank a few rounds? Thankfully, the bogus 200 gigaton claim is no longer canon. Seriously it makes the Death Star's mere existence pointless.

[@kitsychan]

Oh, but didn't you hear, an SSD's shields can put out more power then a sun. and thats just the shields... but remember, this is still starwars... where if you lose engine power your ship slows to a stop.

[@Raving_Rando]

In Legends. Within the Canon however the Turbolasers aren't 200 Gigatons and the shields don't have the output of a small star.

[@wolfblade31jones55]

8:03. Ah, Mother of Intervention. Go Red vs Blue.

[@TheJefrey24]

When the video began. To my eyes it looked like admiral ackbar was talking with your voice and moving along with it.

[@DDayJayke]

I feel like even with the shields of the Executor, if the CSO gets above the Executor, lights out.

[@joelwilken684]

I love it how this dude is so biased towards star wars but the starwars opponent never wins

[@Eseseso494]

Actually, according to some high end halo calcs, the CSO is in the petatons range

[@dr.vanilla9017]

How powerful are petatons?

[@Eseseso494]

@@dr.vanilla9017 enough to destroy a continent

[@dr.vanilla9017]

@@Eseseso494 All the weapons or just the enegry projectors?

[@Eseseso494]

@@dr.vanilla9017 energy projectors

[@n.nnamkcurts3024]

Secutor class star destroyer vs. the larger providence class carrier Pls.

[@cryptomaster7508]

N. Nnamkcurts id guess that the secutor would win 🤔

[@TheHaiko117]

I loved this really long outro, i always listend till the end

[@admiralkoerner2737]

Once we get more information on the CSO is would be great to have a formal video, but right now with so little information this video did a great job! In my opinion star wars tech seems to be a bit more advanced than covenant tech(forerunners are WAY more advanced though) so it makes sense that the CSO would win as it's both longer and bulkier likely 2 or 3 times the size of the SSD. Star wars tech is maybe 50% more powerful but thats not enough to beat a ship 2 or 3 times the size thats also armed to the teeth.

[@ThuyNguyen-zz7tz]

How to win every time if you have a bigger ship. Ram em!

[@MrFlubber]

Underrated but not entirely true

[@tjohn6041]

Fun thing is in Halo 3 on the level The Ark, you can hear Shipmaster Rtas Vadum say “Full Shields, Ramming Speed”.

[@Duong-dc6cm]

Warhammer 40k: appove

[@psyrus728]

harrow class dreadnought vrs. imperial 1 class star destroyer. 7th time.

[@jerryhu9005]

I dunno though...you'd think 3500 years of technological advancement would be good for something, no?

[@MrWizardjr9]

its said in star wars that a star destroyer can completely destroy the surface of a planet in a few hours which would probably need the turbolasers to be in the megaton range at least. also im not sure how much weight we could put into the movie's depictions because if we go by that then the jedi are terrible light saber fighters because when they are doing 360s at the speeds depicted in the movie the enemy could have easily cut them down while their backs are turned.

[@jetfire224]

This needs to be in a video >> Type: Ultra Star Destroyer Developer: Fondor Shipyards Service: Imperial Navy Cost: 2 Trillion (Id) Length: 600miles Width: 200miles Height: 168 Miles Armor: Durasteel, impregnated with austeel, and tungsten nanotubes Hull: Durasteel Shields: KDY Shield System Armament: Duo-Heavy Laser Cannon Turrets (12,000) Duo-Heavy Ion Cannon Turrets (12,000) Axil Superlaser (2) Heavy Laser Cannons (20,000) Triple Heavy Laser Cannons (12,000) Triple Medium Laser Cannons (16,000) Quad Laser Cannon Turrets (12,000) Duo Medium Laser Cannons (60,000) Point Defense Laser Cannons (200,000) Point Defense Ion Cannons (200,000) Concussion Missle Launchers (20,000) Flak Guns (10,000) Tractor Beam Projectors (1,000) Gravity Well Projectors (260) Complement Executor Class SSD (2) Imperial II Star Destroyers (16) Smaller Combat Capital ships (30) TIE/d Defenders (4,000) TIE/n Starfighters (20,000) TIE Bombers (18,000) Other Fighter Craft (18,000) Transport Craft (12,000) AT-AT Walkers (4,000) AT-ST Walkers (6,000) Other Vehicles (16,000) Juggernauts (2,000) Pre-Fabricated Garrison Bases (20) 10 Million Troops Crew: 9 Million

[@RealWeedMusicPlaylists]

DAMN THATS HOT

[@phoenix_9253]

The executed is not a carrier, not carrying too many fighters for a ship of that scale, but they’re all in the tie series so they’re complete shit quality, while the super carrier carries heavy banshees, shielded Seraphs (main space superiority fighter), and the phantom gunships variant. Plus the executed is full of turbolasers, hardly any laser cannons so it’s fighter point defense is also complete shit. I believe the supercarrier will overwhelm it with its thousands of fighters. Also while using the OP beam cannons they have, which btw shreds through armor plating, to tear the executor apart

[@faiflowright01]

Empire is the villain. Soooo, they'll always die easy to the heroes.

[@-Apoptos-]

Link NebulaCat depends on whether it’s prior to the human alliance or not

[@missbish1000]

You exemplified why so many say the numbers produced for star wars weapons are ridiculous and totally unrealistic compared to what's shown in the movies and shows, 200 gigatons is by far, more than enough to crack a planets shell in a single shot, that would make building a death star a total waste of time, it simply would not be needed. Those numbers would make even the weakest of imperial star destroyers as powerful as the death star itself, both versions. The death star simply would not be needed as more than a simple mobile base, there would be no need for the death stars super laser if every star destroyers mounted weapons of that power. You may not like it or believe it, but that's simply the way it is, disbelief won't change it either.

[@deriznohappehquite]

Furthermore, planets would cease to be serious assets. Basically, the writers in Legends were extremely inconsistent and didn't do any research.

[@sidetracker3496]

Lisa winn dude 200 gigatons is NO WHERE NEAR enough to even crack open the crust of the earth much less overcome the gravitational force that binds the planet together. The asteroid that created the gulf of mexico was in the HUNDREDS OF TERRATONS and that didnt destroy the planet evidently so go study physics again. SSD's can easily glass the surface of a planet and it would take weeks of sustained fire from an entire FLEET of them to crack open the crust of a planet.

[@Raving_Rando]

If 200 Gigatons was a thing, then why was it in Rouge One everyone was in shock and awe of the Death Star's less powerful blast? If ISD's were at 200G then the people should have looked at the blast and rolled their eyes.

[@ratlord2898]

@@Raving_Rando It was a new weapon that was never seen before. (If the point where Rogue One falls into the timeline is to suggest.) A weapon that could destroy planets. Subjugate worlds. Yeah, 200G is powerful, but nowhere near enough to blow up a planet.

[@Raving_Rando]

@@ratlord2898 Wait, is this still on going?

[@MastaChafa]

In general I've seen the Empire ships, soldiers and maneuvers too weak and with poor results, since the rebels usually get them in big trouble.

[@cahdnelr2931]

let us not forget, the covenant ships have cloaking capabilities, so it can sneak up on enemy ships

[@TheKingOfHalo]

The guns on the Star Wars ships are usually over calculated. Some are even ridiculous, with destroyers having enough power to destroy planets, yet they still need a Death Star.

[@KillerOrca]

Lucas didn't bother to do the math when he made Star Wars...whereas Halo did.

[@Funkography]

Recusant Class Light Destroyer vs Assault Frigate Mark II

[@tindeuchenxiii62]

How long would it take a star destroyer to perform a base delta zero as opposed to a covenant ship to glass a planet? Since those are essentially the same thing, I feel like it'd be a decent way to realistically gauge how much damage the weaponry on those ships do.

[@EckhartsLadder]

+Mark Northam we don't really know. That would be hugely useful tho

[@thebiggru2637]

Mark Northam true you have a point

[@GSarge17]

An Executor-Class Star Dreadnought can disperse it's turbolaser fire, while the CSO Carrier has a focused beam. Maybe the Executor since it can cover a wider area, but, this is hard to analyze.

[@bobbombar6711]

Mark Northam any where from 8hr to 24 hr to complete

[@kingxkai1179]

Mark Northam the real question is what would fuck your morale to fight more your home planet being base delta zeros by the empire or the covenant glassing and leaving a gigantic fucking hieroglyph on the planets surface as a basic way of saying lol covies did this

[@WillemDelport]

Galactic Empire vs Covenant Empire (scaled up to match the numbers of the Galactic Empire)

[@aegis0305]

Willem D then it wouldn't be the covenant empire. it would be your imaginary empire against another empire. that's like saying Israel vs russia but lets scale up Israel.. why would this need to be done?

[@Raving_Rando]

Depends, Covenant invasion of the Star Wars Galaxy or the Empire invading ours?

[@seantrevathan3041]

Planetary shields. Hell, most shields are rendered useless for the Empire. Even if the levels of firepower favored the Empire(they don't per what we see on-screen), the Covenant just slipspace jump INTO Imperial ships with a fully charged plasma torp ready. Bye Bye Death Star, Coruscant and everything else they thought was defended by shields.

[@ophidian9831]

Covenant ships fire tracking, super heated plasma projectiles that both shed shielding and melt metals. Keep in mind that it melts through Titanium plating and doesn't stop until decompression happens in the books.

[@thecheshire2334]

That's always the biggest problem of fandom and such: inconsistency and details of ships

[@karstenshields1694]

Arc-170vTie Interceptor

[@setesh1294]

tie interceptor would win.

[@foxglow6798]

hmm im not sure, if the ARC-170 can't turn fast enough then i give it to the interceptor but if it can get a shot on then the interceptor is done for

[@gloccry2184]

Eclipse vs CSO Covenant Super carrier

[@captin-crane3324]

There’s one factor you missed, why would the executor get “below” the carrier?

[@attackroomba179]

Captin- Crane332 The CSO can use pinpoint slip space to position itself “above” the destroyer

[@PeterMuskrat6968]

Attack Roomba wins again!

[@killer13324]

Now, for the energy projector, are you talking about the CSO's energy lance, or the ventral plasma cannon [glassing beam]? The CSO has both and unlike the ventral plasma cannon, the energy lance can strike a target that's in front of the ship, as demonstrated in orbit above Reach in the book Halo: Fall of Reach [if memory serves]. The ventral cannon, however, has been demonstrated to only able to fire directly below the ship, that cannon is what is also used as a mining laser.

[@killer13324]

And the CSO has 7 of those ventral cannons.

[@isaacberesford1284]

Not to mention Elites,brutes,hunters are much taller and stronger than human sized stormtroopers

[@devpitcher5096]

And they can actually aim

[@centurion0418]

1: Do video with definite answer.2: If you do, analyzing the information available, no contest. CSO wins basically every time. The energy projector has a range of over 100,000km, so at any distance the Covenant choose, they can shear right through the Executor while receiving little to no fire depending on the range. Only chance the Executor has is to shear of the front portion of the CSO where the hull is thinnest as quickly as possible, but literally no chance of that happening as nanolaminate is very heat-resistant. Sorry if it seems like I'm being a bit of a naysayer, but I do think that the Covenant technology is just too well-suited to counter all Star Wars technology.

[@aegis0305]

Glaive Forsyth Executors hundreds of 200megaton TL vs CSO 65megaton.. CSO has no chance.

[@centurion0418]

CSO can destroy from long-range with energy projector. Also Star Wars Legends information is trash.

[@Raving_Rando]

"If the 200 gigaton number is accurate, then the death star is as pointless as tits on a fish. It's estimated it would take 30trillion tons of tnt to blow up our moon. Given additional mass, we can guess it would take triple to quadruple that about to blow up earth putting it between 90 and 120 trillion tons of tnt to destroy our planet. The Executor can put out, again if the 200 gigaton number is accurate, with its 4000 turbo lasers and heavy turbo lasers the equivalent of 800,000 gigatons of tnt everytime it unleashes a full turbo laser salvo. A gigaton equals one billion tons of tnt. This means that 800,000 gigatons equals 800 trillion tons of tnt. That means one salvo is enough to turn a planet into a vapor cloud. Alternatively if the shields really are that powerful, the Executor could just crank it's shields to max, shift then full forward and ram a planet and destroy it. Now we have to then consider that this ship can shrug off the full firepower of itself as seen when Reaper dueled Lusankya in the Battle of Orinda. There is not a ship in science fiction or fantasy that can, one on one, out perform the Executor class Super Star Destroyer in an engagement. This 200 gigaton turbo laser number cannot be accurate is it defies even Star Wars logic and causes Star Wars to make no sense whatsoever." -Darth Marth

[@centurion0418]

Shadow and then snipe the executor with the energy projector

[@seantrevathan3041]

And teleport land forces. The gigaton level yields of SW are complete bullshit that is not backed by what we see on screen. As Raving Rando pointed out- it even nullifies the very existence of the DS. Why even fire up the single reactor shot on Skariff when a casual blast from a turbolaser will do the same damn thing? Halo ships are at least in the ballpark. For example, in First Strike, the Ascendant Justice is able to melt a multi-kilometer asteroid in a matter of seconds with a single energy projector. To my recollection, this was on the order of a few hundred gigatons, which is on the same level we see of their glassing capabilities(eg, a fleet of a dozen ships glassing a planet within a few hours).

[@mranonymous2001]

Eclipse Star Dreadnaught vs Long Night of Solace or Truth and Reconciliation

[@IntelCorei-KProcessor-go2to]

Eclipse STEAMROLLS Truth and Reconciliation , the poor ship is only a CCS class battlecruiser. Against the Long Night of Solace however , would be a much more interesting fight. IMO the LNoS would win.

[@setesh1294]

and the CSO has 5 times that many energy projectors. if not more.

[@setesh1294]

Toxic KZbin and we were discussing the eclipse in this thread. Also, i will not take the legends stats as fact. Thats all it is, legends. So don't go quoting legends at me.

[@Myles452]

Okt

[@MattyPan118]

If it's Legends and the legends numbers, Star Wars win easily. But canon is unknown. But I've done research on all of it. A MAC canon from halo is around 4 times the strength of the Hiroshima bomb. I also figured out a medium turbo laser is around half to over 8 times the strength of the Hiroshima bomb. And this is putting scientific research, not my research though. I personally believe the turbo laser would be around 4 time the strength of the Hiroshima bomb, maybe less. But the big difference. The MAC canon works more like our nukes today and expands. The turbolaser consitrates all its energy and hits a certain point with its power. Also I'd like to mention that the Covenant weapons are supposed to melt through the armor, the lasers from Star Wars might do something similar but they end up stopping after a heavy impact. The covenant weapons just keep melting from what I've found out. You can find the Halo sources on fan pages and the wiki and everything like that. www.stardestroyer.net/tlc/Power/ is what I used for the turbolaser.

[@alexaitcheson2397]

Seraph: flies into bridge of star destroyer

[@AbolaSpartan]

The CSO definitely wins. If anything, the CSO just has to jump in and out of slipspace behind the Executor and unload every weapon it has into the engines and maybe even bridge. The Executor can't do that accurately due to the nature of Hyperdeives.

[@Lightscribe225]

The Head Spartan But if the executor has Legends level shielding, it will shrug it off effortlessly.

[@karstenshields1694]

SSDv10 Star Destroyers

[@Dilllonm]

no contest..more like 50 or so

[@ZZMonkeysUncleZZ]

Not even worth comparing. Executors (if that's what you're talking about) are stated to have approximately 100x the firepower of an ISD. The ISDs would get shredded so quickly that they would barely get more than a single salvo off.

[@jacknooney8988]

Im really liking these crossovers

[@luissantiago4395]

Resurgent class vs Imperius class Canon vs legends

[@enigma3383]

It really grinds my gears when people look to Legends as a source when its not canon. If we're going by canon the super carrier would destroy the executioner starshio but if we go by legends (which makes star wars look incredibly OP) then the executioner would win

[@remiprotege2047]

Finally I kept requesting this but my comments when unseen like my status in the friend zone