The UNSC (Halo) vs. Rebel Alliance (Star Wars) | Galactic Versus

[@EckhartsLadder]

This one is obviously a lot different than most versus episodes... hope you enjoy it anyway, wasn't planning on getting a video out today.

[@Kurama420]

Obviously, it is the ViteRamen faction to win against the UNSC and the Rebels

[@NicholasRodriguezN7]

Good to see you getting back to these versus videos. They are the best!

[@mandalorian.war-master]

How many AT-TE would be needed to take down godzilla (2019)

[@bigcountry2191]

I love to see versus back!!!

[@darthgorthaur258]

Did we really only have two Vs last year ? That doesn't seam right lol or am I missing something here...I've I been r/whoooos'd

[@ESFNinja]

I assume the UNSC would just send in their Spartans and call it a day. After all, they WERE originally meant to fight rebels.

[@izahahayden4407]

Excuse me sir thats oni wouldn't want u to say that... its heresy

[@ESFNinja]

@@izahahayden4407 Those spooks don’t scare me...hold up, someone’s knocking at my door.

[@genericbird8192]

@@ESFNinja Would you like some girl scout cookies? We raising the money

[@CoolMyron]

they dont have enough spartans to out right win. and if the rebels get luke then its worst for them.

[@Maradiaga23]

@@CoolMyron Spartans can also be used for assassination, they don't have to play fair (unlike Luke)

[@puggo1179]

“Rebels don’t leave plasma burns” Jorge says as Han smugly loads his DL-44

[@headhunterj3]

It’s a halo reach quote and the reference to Han is funny because he is a rebel and does in fact leave plasma burns

[@darthball2723]

"rebels don't leave plasma burns"- some dumbass Nearly every weapon in in the Star Wars galaxy: "am I a joke to you?"

[@puggo1179]

@Darth ball that’s the joke lol :D

[@EpicThe112]

Yeah but DL-44 has 100 shots out of a standard Tibana gas cartridge unlike an UNSC M6 Magnum which has 8 rounds meaning 12 magazines of 12.7x40 mm ammo for Jorge to match Han Solo's 100 shots for his DL-44. Speaking of the standard issue Blaster rifle for Rebel Soldiers the A280 blaster it has 100 or 500 shoots out of a gas cartridge which means UNSC Army / Marine MA5 need to carry 15 magazines 7.62x51 NATO 32 rounds to match a Rebel Soldiers 500 shots from his or her Blaster rifle

[@puggo1179]

@EpicThe112 Dang I was just joking lol 😂

[@vincentalvarez9395]

FOR A BRICK HE FLEW PRETTY GOOD

[@JohnnyUnderscore1981]

Haha! Good one!

[@benjaminfoster476]

Haha! One of my favorite lines from all of Halo!

[@spe3tre458]

😂 Love that

[@possibleawkwardness5480]

That was one of the better jokes in the halo franchise

[@alexandercuevas6783]

"Regret, regret, regret. Any idea what it means?" "Dear humanity. We regret being alien bastards. We regret coming to earth. And we most definitely regret that the corps just blew up our raggedy-ass fleet." "Hoo-rah"

[@Bad_Wolf_Media]

6:36 - "Covvies had shields, and so would every ship in the Star Wars galaxy." *cries in TIE pilot*

[@cgi2002]

SW sheilds are a joke and don't actually exist. They are a pure plot device. Or to be more precise, their sheilds don't actually work against anyone with any brains. Its seen on multiple occasions that their sheild generators (especially those in ISD's) can be destroyed without first knocking out the sheilds, meaning they are outside the sheilds, meaning their sheilds do not offer complete coverage. The arguement of "the fighters flew inside the sheild to do it" means the sheilds don't stop fighters, thus they don't stop solid objects, which means they stop exactly no UNSC weapons fire. If the sheild generator is outside the sheild, archer missiles would make short work of them all. If your going to have sheilds, they have to actually work properly. Also Covenant sheilds are much more solid, they have to flicker on and off just to fire through them from the inside, so fighters can't do the SW tactic of shooting sheild generators. Ion torpedoes don't hit the ship, and would have no effect on the sheild (nukes also do EMP and they did nothing to covenant sheilds).

[@marcosrios1246]

@@cgi2002 playing devils advocate here. I have no horse in this race. That said...a couple issues with your statement. 1. The movie dialogue clearly states their shields were down moments before the a-wings bombed the bridge projectors/sensor domes. 2. Last time I checked star wars ships had 2 types of shields ray and particle. Ray shields stopped energy weapons while particle shields were for kinetic weapons. 3.Ray shields are projected away from the hull allowing fighters to fly in as ray shields dont stop physical objects. While particle shields hug the hull. Edit: emp and ionization are two different phenomena.also we see the ionization effect of missiles and canons spread across shielded ships as seen in the empire strikes back and rogue one.

[@cgi2002]

@@marcosrios1246 fair points but i have counters. Sorry, this gets really long. Point 1: the 2 A-wings destroy the sheild generator before the line "sir we've lost our bridge deflector sheild". Which leads into point 2. Point 2, a SSD seems to have a "deflector sheild", that is neither a Ray or Particle sheild, unless it is a term for a combined version of both, so I'll go with that. So the claim to have 2 types of sheilds i'll accept, but the sheilds can't/don't work how people have claimed, atleast not according to how physics says they should. Also as much as I hate ep8, Kylo flies inside the sheilds of the Raddus (they are clearly up, there would not be a big bloody hole in them for the hangars, if there is Halo would abuse that too). Episode 3 Anakin & Obi'wan get caught in a "ray" sheild. If it doesn't stop physical matter they could walk through it, they can't (or don't, they are idiots after all), so ray sheilds also appear to stop particles aka matter, atleast solid matter. (Provided the dialogue was accurate). So SW actually has no directed energy weapons, all their weapons are physical weapons that rely on some form of matter. Their blasters, lasers and turbolasers fire what is according to physics, plasma (ionized gas is plasma). Their lasers simply aren't lasers, they are plasma blasts, the exception is a super turbo laser, it is an enigma (too slow to be laser, but doesn't behave like a plasma stream, not important here anyway). So a turbo laser fires a plasma blast, you stop the physical material, you'd stop the energy effect, leaving it floating in space as a plasma cloud. Unless that is the sheilds actually repel physical projectiles (never seen know screen, so not the case), all they do it neutralise their kinetic energy by absorbing it all (exactly how physical armour works). This is a particle sheild, it works only on solid matter by removing kinetic energy, unless I am completely wrong. So with that in mind, a sheild that stops physical matter would stop all SW weapons, yet it apparently doesn't, or atleast isn't the go to choice for it. Moving on, a ray sheild doesn't appear to stop actual flames, meaning it can't work by absorbing thermal energy. So logically if it works on SW energy weapons, it absorbs the ionizing radiation that is turning gas into plasma or it dispels the magnetic forces holding the blast together as a single cohesive projectile. Both are viable options, the latter is easier, but visuals don't show either case. They show blasts hitting the sheilds and detonating as a fireball effect. My mind says, these blasts actually hit a particle sheild, and Ray sheilds don't exist as they don't seem to work as anything but a solid wall, and yet fighters can still fly through them. Frankly SW sheilds are too inconsistent to be deemed a viable defence, they are a plot device, shown to be both impenetrable and entirely fallible as the need arises. Random extra bit because, this is already too long. Should note I am purposely ignoring the actual scifi plot hole with all sheilds. A sheild that stops everything makes you both invisible and blind. No light gets in, none out, your ship becomes a solid black bubble from the outside. And inside you see nothing, at all. You would also be cut off from everyone else as communications also can't work through this. The arguement of "they don't block X frequency on the EM spectrum" doesn't work either. You leave a specific weakness, someone is going to find a way to weaponize it. Only way to explain this is mirco weaknesses in the sheilds, tiny holes that open and close constantly, alot like how covenant sheilds pulse for weapons fire, but smaller and alot more of them.

[@xninewxw7559]

@@cgi2002 but what you don’t realize is that Star Wars weaponry have both plasma and laser

[@marcosrios1246]

@@cgi2002 The shields would have to be down In order for there to be damage in the first place. As for the ray sheilds. Ray shields will fry organics it's been stated and observed either in film as you noted or official material. The energy field it creates absorbs incoming energy lasers, plasma, radiation. The energy pumping through them is enough to kill an organic. Battle droids have been seen stepping through shields though, but they are metallic in nature though. Yes, I agree the shields abilities in star wars are inconsistent and some do seem hybridized. Best examples scarrif's sheild which was visible, and death star 2 which were invisible but they banked hard away from the shield when they realized it was still up. Maybe it depends who makes the shields in universe? Gungans, mon cals, or imperials etc. 2nd Edit: What in the blue blazes? KZbin swallowed my 1st edit. I'm not gonna try and retype all that on my phone again. I don't disagree with your statements. Just there are some explainable things happening in the films and mechanics of the star wars universe. Are they inconsistent and plot driven? Absolutely. I prefer consistency myself and it leaves me shaking my head when they cant get their shit straight.

[@Stellar001100]

I definitely see AI controlled point defense guns making Y-Wings even more like flying coffins than normal.

[@cgi2002]

SW fighter craft in general would all be flying coffins. AI controlled weapons in general would also defeat SW weapons ranges (10000km compared to 10km max). SW FTL is unusable as a tactical weapon, you can't jump around inside a system. Halo FTL can be used to jump distances from 10 to 10 trillion KM. Halo sheilds are better. They stop everything, have to flicker on and off to fire. SW sheilds are a joke, their sheild generators are not inside the shields, as evidenced by fighters been able to attack them directly while the sheilds were still up. If this is the case, UNSC ships would shred them. Archer missiles are guided precision weapons. On the ground, UNSC stomps, simple because they know 2 things. Military tactics and orbital fire support.

[@dragonhearted7761]

@@cgi2002 you forgot Spartans would stomp any rebel troops unless luke was there cuz the force is op as shit

[@cgi2002]

@@dragonhearted7761 tbh that's basically accepted. Frankly ODST's would stomp rebel ground troops and normal marines would be the match of the best troops the rebels have to offer. Even should Luke be present, it's entirely possible Spartans would stomp him, they are just as fast if not faster than him, far stronger than him, and lightsabres don't block physical projectiles, especially ones that move at realistic speeds unlike all those in the SW universe. They are also immune to force abilities (as non force connected beings such as the Yong prove), best he could do is throw rocks at them, and they'll just respond by throwing them back or dodging them.

[@dragonhearted7761]

@@cgi2002they're immune to force but their armor isn't, and jedi can force ships to move around, so luke can just crumble them up like tinfoil, everything else you said was accurate, Luke is their only trump card like at all and would most likely die to being overwhelmed by gunfire unless he just goes and crushes everyone and then dies to a orbital bombardment

[@cgi2002]

@@dragonhearted7761 their armour is stronger than any known material in the SW universe with the exception of the hull of the sun crusher. Also, Luke crushing their armour has the problems. Their bones are nigh unbreakable and the armour itself is powered and would resist been crushed. Also as their armour is from outside the SW universe it also has no force presence. All materials (metals, gas, everything) in the SW galaxy have to have a presence in the force, how else can a Jedi/Sith interact with them.

[@kingxkai1179]

Here’s one for the fans: Halo’s forerunners vs 40k’s necrons. Happy new year’s eck!

[@kyodairiker]

Why not someone like the ctan or the old ones?

[@matteo.franklin]

@@kyodairiker well to give u 1 reason, Necrons beat em both

[@calebBalls69]

UNSC versus Empire of man

[@ForgottenHonor0]

@@calebBalls69 Imperium of Man wins in a curbstomp.

[@criran]

No sci-fi universe I know of is strong enough to stand against any 40k empire. Even the T'au would roll over the Star Wars Galactic Empire just from the sheer difference in technology level. 40k is on a whole other level. To the point where the only comparison that can be made to a 40k faction is another 40k faction.

[@eclipsexgaming1169]

UNSC wins, tank beats everything

[@Ben-li9zb]

even AT-TEs???

[@MeatloafSwooshbear]

@@Ben-li9zb EVERYTHING

[@thefriendlyknight]

Tank beats Speeder Tank beats X WING Tank beats AT-AT TANK BEATS EVERYTHING!

[@TK--ff5kw]

Confirmed tank does in fact beat Alderaan

[@waaaaaaah5135]

Brick beats tank

[@zahylon5993]

Rebel machinery: Has no firewall UNSC AI's : "It's free real state"

[@nobleman9393]

You should hack their shoes too, so they can't walk

[@brucejedilee5290]

I don't think hacking would be that easy, since the computer quality is very old and their networks aren't the same. It'd be like a hacker on Earth trying to hack into a computer system on an alien planets internet without having any real access to it. The UNSC AI must first gain access to the computer systems of the Rebel vessels which is not going to be easy and I doubt they could do it from afar, they need to get into the ship. Also most things are manually done in Star Wars so I'm not sure how much an AI could do

[@cameronzwicke5761]

Nope they would have to board a rebel vessel in order to hack any system in it. They are not hackable over distance, star wars ships are made so this cannot happen as the old republic lost an entire fleet to this in the past and afterwards put in protocols to prevent this from ever happening again. Their systems have to be entered manually.

[@mackenziebeeney3764]

Their computers don’t network. There is nothing to hack. Everything is connected across a ship by hardwiring. Nothing is wireless. Also why you never see anything wireless except remote comms. There were slaving circuits but those are specialty hardware which is rarely used.

[@zahylon5993]

@@mackenziebeeney3764 If Star Wars ships don't have such wireless comunications or AI, then they would be a damn easy target for the UNSC. If any Spartan boards a capital ship, all they have to do is attack a hacking device to allow a UNSC AI to remote control the warship and turn it into a battering ram The SW ships already lack CIWIS, Guided Weaponry, or even computer tracking for their energy weapons. They have to fight at close range firing like WW1 ships. UNSC can sit at range and snipe them all day. It would be the inverse of the UNSC vs The Covenant, with Rebels having to sacrifice Dozens of ships to sink a single UNSC vessel. Pre-Covenant UNSC was already dealing with rebels and had their fleets at their peak. Post-Covenant UNSC has access to forerunner technology. Plus, they don't design their weaponry with weak spots that make them collapse instantly.

[@JustinLaFleur1990]

I would give it to the the UNSC, they have better strategists than the Rebels it seems. The Rebels seem to mainly focus on starfighter combat and with the Broadswords or the Sabres the UNSC has they can easily take on the rebel starfighters. The UNSC capital ships and ODPs have excellent point defense systems which are typically operated by AIs. When there is a ground war or a ship boarding action, ODSTs and Spartans are far superior infantrymen than Rebel soldiers. The Covenant had better tech and the UNSC fought a 27 year campaign against them using superior tactics, and better trained soldiers.

[@adamofblastworks1517]

I think a good question that must be asked is: how well do Star Wars starfighter shields hold up to bullets? And do "slug throwers" fire fast enough to overwhelm Star Wars starfighter shielding? Because if not, then rebel fighters would do much better than we expect, even if still not good enough. On the otherhand, the UNSC has missiles, *lots* of them, and Star Wars starfighters don't have appropriate countermeasures.

[@scottishjedi1522]

@@adamofblastworks1517 at the same time, rebel fighters would be faster and able to drop out of hyperspace already in formation, and could probably eliminate most UNSC fighters before they could really launch and get into formation.

[@Cameron088]

@@scottishjedi1522 Not really. UNSC fighters wpuld stay in the ship unless it is a escort. And most UNSC ships can detect a ship coming out of hyper/Slipspace. If they noticed it was fighters, they would pull fighters back or ready, and have their point defense weapon systems handle them

[@personperson8563]

@@adamofblastworks1517 IMO a Mac cannon from a capitol ship could be able to take out any star wars capitol ship in 1 or 2 shots. I also think star fighters would not be a problem, not because of UNSC fighters, but because of point defense systems. The rebel alliance wouldn’t be used to such good point defense systems. every time they would try to get in close for a bombing run the UNSC would just destroy their fighters and gunners with capitol ship guns.

[@adamofblastworks1517]

@@personperson8563 Yeah, you have a *point* about their point defense :D Their point defense did next to squat against the Covenant because their weapon shots couldn't really be shot down. They could only be detonated "prematurely" by using another ship or extra spaced layers of armor and hull sections. Proper point defense would prevent decent usage of any starfighter proton-torpedoes (especially since they don't use tactics of having multiple squadrons dump fire proton-torpedoes en mass to overwhelm the Empire's nonexistent point defense). Starfighter lasers would put holes into the armor, maybe the hull, but not go through multiple layers and decks (do Star Wars lasers have penetration power? I guess they do, since Storm Trooper armor isn't 100% effective...) or make giant gashes in their capital ships. Point defense would also tear starfighters apart with overwhelming fire. However, I'm not sure how well MAC cannons would be able to deal with rebel capital ships. They had issues dropping Covenant shields (possible, but difficult), and many Mon-calamari ships had excellent defensive capabilities, arguably better than the Covenant's. They had the sections and armor comparable to or better than the UNSC, and many had *multiple, overlapping* shields. So a MAC might be able to drop one shield, but there would likely still be another one covering the same area.

[@Cameron088]

The thing is, that is OFTEN missed when talking about the UNSC is how they are used to being on losing side. Its no secret that the Star Wars universe is more advanced than Halo when it comes to cruisers. Butttttt, you have to remember Eck, that the UNSC turned what could have been a short war into a 28 year year with how the UNSC started to fight back against the Covies. If we look at the Rebels WITHOUT Plot Amour, I say they stand no real chance. Sure, they have the better tech, and some really intelligent admirals, but the UNSC has people like Admiral Cole, Captian Keyes, Miranda Keyes, Lord Hood, etc. Most admirals in the UNSC managed to outsmart the Covies most of the time. You also seem to undermind the sheer power of the UNSC guns. Fighters and bombers WOULD NOT be able to get close to any UNSC Ship, due to their superior point defense weapons, and if we included Sabers and Shortswords, fighters would hold them back. The UNSC may not be as powerful as some of the Rebel ships, but damn, they would make the Rebels cower in fear.

[@Lewd-Tenant_Isan]

I agree, however, the UNSC depended on the Covenants arrogance and suicidal tactics to outsmart and combat them. I have no doubt that the UNSC could outsmart the rebels but it would most likely not be as effective as their response to the Covenant.

[@JustinLaFleur1990]

Right The UNSC had the Insurrection to teach them how to fight in space and to develop the weapons which would later prove vital when the war with the Covenant. Also the UNSC's use of AI is also instrumental in their tactics as AI's tend to help with precision and creativity on the battlefield.

[@JustinLaFleur1990]

@@Lewd-Tenant_Isan The UNSC had been fighting an ongoing insurrection against other humans when the Covenant war sidelined that. They depended as much on their own skill in naval and ground combat as they did their enemies shortcomings, as any commander would. They were thinking strategically when fighting against humans, and were thinking strategically when fighting the Covenant. Taking advantage of your enemies weakness is sound strategy. The UNSC also has very advanced AIs which can help them out immensely. Droids I think are inferior compared to an average UNSC AI.

[@markmulder9845]

Rebel Alliance: We are rebels UNSC: so you have chosen death by spartan *builds Mjolnir with malicious intent*

[@Mortablunt]

Very well said. The military skill and pedgree of the UNSC is amazing. The education, leadership, experience, bravery, and cunning of their leadership is remarkable. Cole, Keyes, Hood, Hacket, and pretty much any partway competent UNSC officer would be a special legend in the Rebellion. The professionalism and quality of the UNSC also extends to their individual troops. The average Covenant Elite that they have to fight on a routine basis is pretty much a Dark Trooper. UNSC fighters are more skilled and better trained at combat. Star Wars troops walk in linear formations to get themselves killed in huge numbers. One place the UNSC would be decided better would be in ground battles. Their standard weapon, the MA5 series, sends downrange 10 7.62x51 shots per second. Those kinds of shots defeat light cover, light personal armor, and go through and through bodies. They're destructive in a way handheld blasters just are not. Star Wars has no good analog for the ground weapons of the UNSC. They would have significant issues with defeat Scorpion tanks, for example. The UNSC has a huge advantage with slipspace versus hyperspace. They are not limited to specific lanes, and can even dip in and out of locations and engagements. Imagine a UNSC intel cell getting the location of a Rebellion hub, sending that to high command, who send a task force of capital ships to drop in to high orbit, rain hell down with MAC cannons, and then fly off before they can react.

[@Bilskirnir3124]

Eck, the UNSC Longsword class fighter needs some more respect. It's like an A-10 Warthog crossed with an F-15A Eagle crossed with a PT Boat. In space!

[@thealexgundam5006]

Is it faster than rebel ships

[@Sigma-gb9yd]

@@thealexgundam5006 Considering it would have to travel far enough that Chief could watch Alpha Halo tear itself apart from the opposite side of the ring (over 10000 km at least) in less than 2 minutes, that thing would be BOOKING IT

[@DOSFS]

It still have no shield ,-,) *sad* It will be a lot cooler

[@thealexgundam5006]

@@Sigma-gb9yd True that's fast, but I'm asking is faster cause eck say the star wars ship is faster than anything halo has.

[@Sigma-gb9yd]

@@thealexgundam5006 It would have to be. No starfighter in Star Wars can cover 10000 kilometers in under two minutes. And even if we assume Chief's Longsword didn't go the direction he seems to be watching the explosion from, he would need to be at least far enough to escape the blast. That's still much faster than a Star Wars starfighter can travel without jumping to Hyperspace

[@JUNIsLuke]

“A massive 4 kilometres long!” Laughs in Covenant Super Carrier

[@CallofDutyBlackOps2010]

Laughs in High Charity

[@basudebsarkar5487]

Laughs in mantles aproach

[@CallofDutyBlackOps2010]

@@basudebsarkar5487 I think they’re the same length

[@Frostyman452]

@@CallofDutyBlackOps2010 Mantle’s Approach is actually 300 km in height. (It would generally say length but the Mantle’s Approach is tall boy)

[@MasterHall117]

@@basudebsarkar5487 *Laughs in Composer*

[@arkadeepkundu4729]

You're been Eckhart's ladder for over 6 years now. Don't you think it's about time you upgraded to something more permanent? _Echkart's staircase maybe?_

[@pills-]

Eckharts's Escalator!

[@tallerstond8105]

Eckhart’sElevator

[@nickcher7071]

Eckhart's GravLift!

[@LockheedC-130HerculesOfficial]

Eckharts's Space elevator!

[@nickcher7071]

Eckhart's Repulsorlift Or heck it, Eckhart's Hyperdrive it is!

[@MonzaniaStrike]

Captain: “Chief, where are you going? Chief: “sir, to kill rebel scum”

[@georgefeser6483]

Hmm... Stormtroopers vs UNSC Marines and ODST's. Who will win? The stormtroopers have the standard E-11 rifles and the DLT-11 heavy blasters, and the UNSC Marines and ODST's have the standard issue BR-55 Battle Rifles, MA5c Assault Rifles, and the ever so iconic M6d Magnum. The CE pistol. AKA *The God Pistol*

[@tannerlucas4351]

@@georgefeser6483 bro all the marines need is the god pistol wtf lol

[@georgefeser6483]

@@tannerlucas4351 The "God Pistol uses a 12x45mm he ap round. The battle rifle is also good

[@arcelay4764]

@@georgefeser6483 Just with the god pistol is enough. Anyway, just a few uncs marines could take out a group of storm troopers easily. Like come on, they could take covenant groups that had 1-2 elites, jackals and grunts all by themselves, how wouldnt they be able to take out some STs?

[@chasetoyama8184]

@@arcelay4764 Exactly, most stormtroopers are idiots anyway. The UNSC troops are at least competent.

[@possibleawkwardness5480]

When he say that laser weapons were invented in response to stronger shields, that was just the Star Wars solution to it. The UNSC solution was to up the damage on their conventional weapons when the covenant attacked.

[@aizseeker3622]

What if UNSC built MAC gun + Laser turret/point cannon.

[@cdhr6743]

They legit have the 7.62ACP as their main ammunition. I think that's pretty effective.

[@perilousloki4712]

I also feel like people are forgetting the spartan lasers. Also the fact that mini-mac was able to demolish a forerunner structure the size of a meteor in halo 4. If a mini-mac can do that, how much force does a mac cannon from a unsc ship have?

[@theldraspneumonoultramicro405]

yeah well, what that means is that the mass driven weaponry was unable to overpower the shields even when juiced up, it just simply was no longer practical or worth it to bother with mass weponry any more, thats how powerfull star Wars shields and armor is, people seriously overestimate what human tech in Halo can do when faced against tech tens of thousands of years more advanced. and while Covenant tech is advanced, it's not their tech, it's poorly reverse engineered tech they found that is also sevearly held back due to religious fanaticism.

[@possibleawkwardness5480]

@@theldraspneumonoultramicro405 Reverse engineered Forerunner tech though. A forerunner shield was able to brush off ramming a large ship at insane speeds which is a feat that not even Star Wars ships have accomplished.

[@tonymondelli1732]

700 ships at its peak? That roughly how many the UNSC would’ve had post war, at least with the modern refurbished numbers from 343.

[@ranger3576]

Id say that they had maybe 2000 ships ranging from frigates or higher at the UNSC's peak. By the end of the war, they had no more than 300 ships of that size, and barely as many smaller ships. By the time Halo 5 rolls around, they've gone up to about 700ish maybe. difference is, they have better quality ships.

[@LockheedC-130HerculesOfficial]

@@ranger3576 but at the end of halo 5 Cortana probably disables like 40% of them with her guardians

[@ranger3576]

@@LockheedC-130HerculesOfficial Probably more than that. I’d say like 70-85% or more were disabled

[@LockheedC-130HerculesOfficial]

@@ranger3576 damn son I didn't know it was that extreme

[@ranger3576]

@@LockheedC-130HerculesOfficial I could be wrong. But she did send the Guardians to many of the colonies and planets that the UNSC and covenant races had. So the bulk of the UNSC fleet would have been disabled. I’m not yet sure if the Infinity was the only ship to escape or if others managed to as well.

[@ritzon2670]

I'm so glad to see you doing versus again. It's what brought me to your channel, but I still loved your content over the past year.

[@soph1823]

If I'm remembering correctly, the UNSC immediately post war had 200 vessels, excluding the ODPs, fighters, ONI vessels and the like

[@joshuasatterwhite9520]

That's what I'm sayin, wtf was the 20 ship estimate ☠

[@CM-tv2bu]

And really what do the rebels do against a prowler Nova bombing any fleet they try to assemble?

[@myduckisonqauck7227]

@@CM-tv2bu the rebels can do the same with baradium missles/bombs

[@blackshogun272]

MyDuck IsOnQauck the Rebellion detonating a Quantum Bomb anywhere near the UNSC Fleet is an automatic GG for them. The effective blast radius of those weapons are estimated to be up to 40,000 Km. Now I doubt they have the schematics for that still floating around but if they don't then I'd say those Baradium Missiles (and Pressure Bombs) will make short work of UNSC capital ships and their planetary fortifications...

[@joshuasatterwhite9520]

@@blackshogun272 40,000 km is under the circumference of Earth, the UNSC Nova bomb can obliterate an entire planet into debris, ALONG with destroying orbiting moons, the Nova matches the Quantums yield just fine lol

[@Cpt_Boony_Hat]

Captain Keyes fires his final defense MISSILES OF NUCLEAR JUSTICE!

[@sosogo4real]

IN CHIEF WE TRUST (WE TRUST) BY THE POWER OF THE SAVIOR OF US ALL (HAIL CHIEF) FOR THE GLORY OF 343 TO WIN THIS EPIC BATTLE, IN HIS POWER WE MUST TRUST TO SET US FREE IN CHIEF WE TRUST

[@grantdelosangeles5357]

That's his second final defense, his true final defense is the Legendary Keyes' ramming maneuver because somehow, each member of the Keyes family that joined the navy can't die without ramming their ship into alien artifacts and structures.

[@Cpt_Boony_Hat]

@@grantdelosangeles5357 look up glory hammer fires of ancient cosmic destiny

[@michelecastellotti1884]

when a ship can fire thousands of bolts of energy each of well over the capacity of nukes today, that seems a hit pathetic

[@spinz7306]

THE REBEL ALLIANCE US VAPORIZED LUKE SKYWALKER DIEEEEEES!

[@firestuka8850]

I'd go with UNSC simply due to the fact that in a stand up fight, they would obliterate the rebel alliance in ship to ship combat. Even the Pillar of Autumn stood in a fight against multiple heavy CCS covenant ships, killing 4 before succumbing.

[@Mr-Ad-196]

Same and then some people say "star wars shield is stronger" .........yeah let see if they can handle constant Mac round with Archer missile spam with Shiva nuclear can be strap to longsword interceptor and the most op nuclear for UNSC is Nova bomb which can completely devastation on a planetary scale.

[@shcdemolisher]

@@Mr-Ad-196 main issue with Star Wars is none of it is grounded, it’s space opera/fantasy, not grounded sci-fi like halo. So way to many inconsistency’s everywhere in Star Wars media.

[@KaiHung-wv3ul]

Thing is, just by sheer total numbers, the Rebels have dozens, if not hundreds of ships fo every UNSC ship. As Eck said, the scale is just different.

[@CarlitoAnimacoesStudios]

​​@@Mr-Ad-196My Brother Still the Rebel Allaince is kinda an Galactic Allaince so far more territory planets stations rescourses troops ships

[@sethicus3486]

I like these match ups over, "look look my book says they have a big number so your side loses"

[@GodHatesWeebs]

exactly lmao

[@wi4305]

The covenant outnumbered the UNSC in the billions yet the war went on for 28 years. Fighting the starwars rebels would be a much smaller force to focus on.

[@The-Singularity-X01]

@@wi4305 The Covenant sent what was basically a small scout fleet to destroy the UNSC, they truly believed the UNSC wasn't a threat, which cost them big time.

[@CallofDutyBlackOps2010]

@@The-Singularity-X01 exactly. They didn’t even try. Just look at the high charity fleet. Ridiculously OP

[@basudebsarkar5487]

@@CallofDutyBlackOps2010 covenant is a religious xeno groups spanning across thousands of worlds

[@blighty8607]

Marauder-Class Corvette vs Raider-Class Corvette Kom'rk-Class Fighter vs CF9 Crossfire Starfighter

[@100_American_Bison]

What about just a straight up squad vs squad battle of UNSC Marines(Halo) vs System's Alliance Marines(Mass Effect). No hero’s or unique individuals, just average marines.

[@nicktechnubyte1184]

UNSC!!!! How about Master Chief vs Doom Slayer?!

[@peskymacaw9033]

@@nicktechnubyte1184 That one has been done before by Hidden xperia... spoliers: Doom guy stomped.

[@thatguyonyoutubemk2746]

Trained soldiers Vs A ragtag group of misfits with bugger all training.

[@kristiandahl1310]

I'd say it's about equal really, depends on omnitool versatility

[@Destroyer_V0]

Comparing equipment, they would be more or less on par with one another. The lack of body armour for the rebels for the most part, compared to their weapons being (probably) Ionized plasma bolts in the same way that covenant weapons are, would be effective against marine armour. However. Marines can survive being blasted by plasma weapons, so on that alone, marines can kill rebels easily with their slug weapons, rebels would have a little more difficulty against marines equipment. When we get to other factors, like that a typical marine squad would have varied weapons, not just assault rifles, pistols, and frag grenades, in addition to many marines having fought in a loosing war for the better part of a decade, there's a good chance a standard marine will be better prepared for combat when compared to the ragtag militia of the rebels. Sure, they had some defectors from the empire, and some from planetary defence forces. Maybe a few veteran commanders from the clone wars if you push it. But compared to the average experience of the marines, the rebels are likely less prepared. In short, a squad vs squad engagement, I see marines winning more often than not, depending on circumstances of who is ambushing the other, how quickly their leaders respond etc. (Also pretty sure Eck, or generation tech has already done a video on this topic)

[@thefunny8158]

Rebel fleet: shows up Infinity with six SMACs, several nukes and missles aswell as six frigates in its hangar: im boutta end this mans whole career

[@Frostyman452]

10 frigates actually.

[@orctrihar]

Rebel have nothing again Halo shield When all the shield Star Wars have would got obliterated because of how weak they are.

[@MasterHall117]

On top of a battering ram

[@What_Zen]

@@orctrihar Is this an literate joke I'm too knowledgeable to understand? I honestly can't understand what the fuck you just said. From what I gather, you mean that the UNSC doesn't have shields, and because of that they would lose. correct me if i'm wrong, please, because that's so fucking dumb.

[@orctrihar]

@@What_Zen Post convenant War they have and they are better than from Star Wars who are like paper sheets in standard

[@dillongreenhalgh6011]

Rebel Admiral: “We have you surrounded, surrender or be fired upon.” Lord Admiral Hood: “Cortana you have the gun.” Admiral Ackbar (In a galaxy far far away): “ITS A TRAP!!!”

[@newironage4438]

Surrounded!? “Then it is an even fight, all cruisers fire at will. Burn their mongrel hides.”

[@Charlie94781]

@@newironage4438 The Rebel Alliance would have been crushed by the galactic empire without plot armor

[@newironage4438]

@@Charlie94781, that was a halo reference.

[@myles3856]

@@newironage4438 true

[@randomidoit9605]

@@Charlie94781 The UNSC would have been crushed by the Covenant if not for their plot armor too, so what's your point?

[@Jarsia]

"star wars has EXTREMELY fast FTL travel" laughs in Asgard hyperdrive

[@artemisfowl9219]

SG: Atlantis Wormdrive

[@Jarsia]

@@artemisfowl9219 Yes, even better. Stargate may be pretty low tier on the inter universal power scales, but Goddamn is their FTL fast.

[@majesticwolfyguy6629]

@@Jarsia Stargate have Some of the most powerful sci-fi factions, look at the Horizon Weapon System, leaves a planet dead in seconds

[@Jarsia]

@@majesticwolfyguy6629 Stargate has a few specialty weapons that are quite powerful. Horizon used naquadria which is quite rare. The dakara weapon is also pretty god tier, or it was. In DS9 20 romulan and cardassian ships were able to destroy 30% of a planets surface in just a few seconds with bog standard weapons. Goa'uld ha'tak's fire plasma blasts that aren't dangerous beyond a few meters, tau'ri ships use mass drivers and nukes which are low tech weapons in most scifi. Even the mighty asgard fall far short. Per in episode dialogue in SG1 Nemesis and TNG True Q, the galaxy class has over 3000x the power output of a beliskner class. So yeah, stargate has some interesting x factors, as do other franchises, but if we're talking about standard weapons and shields, stargate is lower middle at best. Propulsion is on the upper end though.

[@higrunt9844]

Manical laughing in grunt toy which can travel faster than is even possible as it is everywhere at the same time

[@magmadude35]

I think since there's been ship ramming in star wars and not at projectile speeds i believe MACs have a good chance of being effective. Plus one thing in star wars seems to be that everyone is pretty much technologically neutral and the UNSC has the need to grow to meet a challenge every time. Capturing any enemy ship in any engagement or even pillaging wrecked ships... i dunno the tech is just everywhere in star wars and ONI would be like "did somebody say upgrades? "

[@zahylon5993]

on top: SW tech is mostly tech operated and understood by humans. ONI will have a lot of fun extracting info from POWs , the UNSC would get stronger by fighting rebels, reverse-engineering the tech and upgrading their own ships. The UNSC could probably break the tech stagnation in the SW Galaxy

[@centurymemes1208]

@@zahylon5993 star wars tech on its own is absurd and doenst make sense while halo does. except for the forerunner stuff but still

[@havenscar497]

There's one thing I see alot of people forget about or just leave out when talking about unsc ships vs other factions. Its that mac's that when hitting a covenant ships shield didn't just fizzle out and do nothing, it would push or throw it around. Covenant ships shields could take the impact but they are in space and the kinetic force from the mac round moved into it target. One example is a single Super mac's round punched through covenant super carriers shields and went through the entire ship from to back and as it was passing through it the kinetic force tore the ship a new one and tore its armor off. Mac's do a ton of damage, just think of how a mc80 would fair when a round lands on its shield and the entire ship is moved or flipped around. Also missiles tend to pass through star wars shields and unsc got plenty of those just saying.

[@CoolColton947]

Star Wars shields fall into two categories, ray shields and the normal "energy" shielding. Ray shields are, essentially, unbreakable walls that disintegrate basically all physical material and kinetic energy placed against them. The only caveat being that Star Wars ships can't shoot back while they have those shields up, though considering Star Wars tactics being a tad bit more advanced than UNSC tactics -this being a conclusion drawn simply by the fact Star Wars has defined itself by having large-scale space battles be the norm for most of their history- this one weakness could be worked around. Especially with their use of Mon Calamari capital ships, which were monsters by their own right, and old Republic capital ships they could simply use a front line of ships acting as shields, a tactic that is commonly used in both Legends and canon, to take many of those rounds and allow the other ships to deploy fighters, fire around them, and simply be safer. Those shields would go down eventually, but the UNSC lacks a lot of defense when it comes to their ships and would probably get picked apart. So MAC rounds would definitely do some damage, but the moment a single ship realizes that the UNSC exclusively uses kinetic weaponry then the Rebels would act accordingly. So it's not the end-all-be-all you make it out to be.

[@silentdrew7636]

The problem with that is that the Rebels would largely be using fighters to attack the UNSC, which are far too.small for the MAC gun to be usable, and can close the distance before the UNSC ships can do anything to them, just look at the battle of Having, where rebel fighters cover a distance of 500,000+ KM in a few minutes.

[@Kit_the_Kitsune]

@@silentdrew7636 You forget that, unlike the Empire, the UNSC actually uses point defense systems. The standard Paris class Heavy Frigate comes equipped with a dozen coilguns which are noted as specifically being effective against enemy fighter craft. In addition it has a point defense network, so missiles and torpedos can be shot out of the void before even impacting the ship's hull.

[@silentdrew7636]

@@Kit_the_Kitsune that requires the UNSC manage to get a target lock on the rebel craft, which assumes they're not being jammed, haven't been hit by ion weapons, and that the rebel.ships are moving at a speed the guns can track I doubt UNSC point defense can track relativistic or superluminal fighter craft, we X-Wings do both in A New Hope and the Mandalorian respectively, without using hyperspace.

[@Kit_the_Kitsune]

@@silentdrew7636 So what you're saying is even regular, non force attuned pilots can maneuver at those speeds? Right... I'm not questioning the fighters themselves, I'm questioning the reaction time of the pilots. Dogfights and 'playing chicken' would result in instant head on collisions as by the time you've realized that you're going to hit something, you've already hit it. I think the UNSC is just fine, all they have to do now is eject their trash into the path of oncoming rebel fighters and watch the fireworks...

[@LockMock]

I just want to say if asteroids in the Star Wars universe can blow up ships, then Mac cannons can blow up Star Wars ships.

[@cameronzwicke5761]

When did this happen in star wars cause if you are referring to the scene from empire strikes back those star destroyers took hundreds of asteroid hits while in that debri field for hours. By then the unsc would already be destroyed.

[@LockMock]

@@cameronzwicke5761 if asteroids can do it then Mac cannons can do it as well and asteroids aren't being aimed and fired at high speeds from moving targets so

[@Frostyman452]

@@cameronzwicke5761 And those asteroids did not have the capability to crack a small moon in one go.

[@cameronzwicke5761]

@@LockMock asteroids of bus sized or bigger in a debri field like the kuiper belt travel at 20-100 km per second which is similar to far faster than mac cannon shots and depending upon their makeup are comparable in weight to far heavier than a mac cannon round. Do some research before you talk shit. Mac cannon rounds are 600 tons and are fired at 30 km per second.

[@cameronzwicke5761]

@@Frostyman452 yes they did, read my last comment.

[@Adamantine117]

I like how you never actually came to a full conclusion, allowing people who are biased to just choose for themselves. A great way to have everyone agree in the end.

[@tallerstond8105]

10/10

[@randomidoit9605]

Halo fans will still just say MAC because that's the only thing that they can think of.

[@Peter_Turbo4]

@@randomidoit9605Lmao, Shiva Nukes & Sabre Interceptors.

[@randomidoit9605]

@@Peter_Turbo4 Finally, something that isn’t on the McDonald’s menu.

[@Peter_Turbo4]

@@randomidoit9605 MACs alone are still more than enough.

[@horaceornelas2085]

Here’s a fun one: The Imperial Fleet orbiting Endor Vs The Covenant Invasion Fleet of Reach

[@emmettlisiecki7048]

I think that would be awesome to see

[@r5509]

I think he already did that

[@andrewwilliam7890]

I think the Covenant would win that pretty easily. They'd absolutely mop the floor with just about any star wars fleet if they had The Long Night of Solace; which the Reach fleet technically had.

[@tarmairon431]

@@andrewwilliam7890 The Deathstar would have destroyed that with one shot. The Covenant would still win if we're talking about just the two fleets though, because of their huge number advantage. The only way the Empire could win is if the Death Star's shield generator doesn't get destroyed and that shield is powerful enough to withstand the firepower of hundreds of ships.

[@andrewwilliam7890]

@@tarmairon431 But you have to remember that the Reach fleet was commanded by the Arbiter who was considered a tactical genius and never lost a battle to humans until the Master Chief blew up the Halo. I think he would be smart enough to at least attack the Death Star from behind because that things slow and clearly has a limited field of view.

[@tacticalfarmer8679]

Honestly, even if the rebel’s shields were as strong as covenant shields, I don’t think it would matter. In various points in Halo, you can see a MAC round from a UNSC ship punch straight through the shields, and still have energy to go in one side and out the other of the enemy ship. And even at that? Missiles... nuclear missiles, regular missiles, they’d just peck the rebels apart. And from how well the Pillar of Autumn held up in Halo Combat Evolved, I think it would take a long time for the rebel fleet to destroy UNSC ships.

[@Code_DarkWolf]

The ships like the Pillar of Autumn could last a long time in battle, but in combat evolved the covenant don't want to destroy it because the debris could damage the holy ring (halo)

[@Cameron088]

@@Code_DarkWolf That is true, even the UNSC Spirit of Fire, a older model ship, was able to stand toe to toe with a Constant Destroyer

[@rambot_14o43]

To be fair The covenant were ordered to board the autumn and not destroy it. Keyes probably knew about it and destroyed 4 of the ships and forcing the 5th one, Truth and Reconciliation to repairs

[@tacticalfarmer8679]

I agree with this. I’ve been doing research on this, and I am a Halo guy, and people often underestimate the resilience and firepower of UNSC ships. Like, I like Ecks, but he really underestimates the power of Halo’s ships and ground units.

[@darkwhispersstories47]

a good and well rounded nilitary Vs A rebelion that is just as organised as a decapitated Chicken and rolled a 20 on luck to win the war. Hm..

[@Noah-zz8uw]

Pretty sure that the UNSC did the same... I mean neither the Galactic Empire nor the Covenant Empire took either force seriously enough, which was the downfall of the Galactic Empire in the end.

[@darkwhispersstories47]

@@Noah-zz8uw the unsc was still much more organised while also holding spartans The biggest fleet strike of the convenant was on reach while it was a tragic catastrophic defeat the convenant lost some major forces as well chief has almost single handedly dismentled the covenant Also while Luke helped the alliance it was sheer amount of luck and the force on their side (that and Vader betrayal), that let towards the win. The udsc will beat the rebel alliance easily

[@antoine121]

@@Noah-zz8uw The covenant took the UNSC very serious especially at Reach and when they we’re going to invade earth with over 700 ships in first strike lol. I think the covenant invaded reach with 300 ships. Nah the covenant took the UNSC very serious. The empire just lost due to plot armor tbh.

[@orctrihar]

UNSC would have win againt the Empire too

[@MasterHall117]

@@Noah-zz8uw Well, they took it serious after the first couple failed attempts (Covies)

[@Nik-spartan]

UNSC infinity: *Exists* Rebel Alliance: *Why do I hear boss music?*

[@esbender973]

*"Truth and Reconciliation Suite" starts playing*

[@panzerkampfwagenviiimaus3976]

The empire about to cleanse the unsc from the Star Wars galaxy:🗿

[@Arandomguy23111]

@@panzerkampfwagenviiimaus3976 yea but its the UNSC vs the rebel alliance so the empire won't be helping

[@panzerkampfwagenviiimaus3976]

@@Arandomguy23111 they don’t need the empire’s help

[@Arandomguy23111]

@@panzerkampfwagenviiimaus3976 if were yalking abt ground battles the unsc will win but if were talking abt space battles the unsc would also win i juat don't see how the rebels would win

[@jackhilton8921]

I feel like ground warfare would be in the UNSC’s favor but space combat definitely seems a lot murkier in terms of who would win

[@trickedraptor]

I can get behind this assessment. Halo factions are just much better at combined arms tactics.

[@toby1061]

I think UNSC ships would absolutely shred rebel ships from a range due to the MACs jsut being so powerful but as soon as turbo laser began hitting the the UNSC ships they would definitely have a lot of trouble.

[@ur-didact1991]

@@toby1061 why not throw some long swords with slipspace bomb just like reach?

[@jobro5198]

I feel that the UNSC would still be able to do very well in space as 1 Spartan boarding party more or less takes out a rebel ship

[@SkywalkerWroc]

@@jobro5198 1 Spartan boarding party is dead before it arrives at a ship. Keep in mind Rebel spaceships had a heavy fighter escort, shields able to stop physical objects, and typically: heavy compliment of anti-fighter cannons. UNSC has a fighting chance on a ground, but not in space.

[@Connor.SG-1Ring]

In regards to FTL travel, SW ships require hyperspace lanes to properly travel across space. Any journey on an uncharted area of the galaxy will be slower and dangerous.

[@aralornwolf3140]

That's why you outfit your corvettes as advance scouts and task them to map the avenue of attack and once successful, communicate to the fleet how to reach the enemy. If you don't want to throw corvettes away like that... then use gunships...

[@Connor.SG-1Ring]

@@aralornwolf3140 Even so, mapping out new hyperspace routes would still be a very long and arduous process, which could take years or decades more.

[@aralornwolf3140]

@@Connor.SG-1Ring , Much less than you think... Use line-of-sight travel. "Hyper to that star there... then the next star" may take time to travel through each star system... but you'll get to the target pretty quickly. This is why I dislike so many videos of Ecks when he talks about "Hyerpsace" and "Hyperlanes".... they aren't strictly needed for military applications... and you'll end up where you want to be... sure, it won't be "instantly" but they avoid all the Interdictor Cruiserss and such by avoiding all hyperspace lanes. Well... it wouldn't be instantly until the Sequel Trilogy rewrote how hyperspace travels works in all three movies... See Hyperspace Skipping as the best counter to your objection.

[@Connor.SG-1Ring]

@@aralornwolf3140 Still beg to differ, even in the current SW timeline, expanding into uncharted areas of the galaxy is still considered very slow. Also, hyperspace skipping is a dangerous maneuver that risks the safety of the ship and crew. The Rebels would also need to know the exact location of the planets they'd want to target. Otherwise, they'll just end up sending ships in random empty areas of space. Furthermore, the UNSC takes serious precautions to delete Earth's coordinates and other important worlds from their logs, in the event that one of their ships were get captured.

[@aralornwolf3140]

@@Connor.SG-1Ring , There wasn't a single scenario given, this "deleting earth's location" may not have happened... but if it did happen... and they are fighting in our galaxy... then the Rebel Alliance would have no choice _but_ to map the entire galaxy...

[@TheT7770ify]

I know that it's a lot of apples to oranges but this one seemed a bit more ramble-ie then normal

[@PackHunter117]

The thing is though the UNSC alongside their AIs they could literally snipe away the Star Wars ships with their MAC guns. The UNSC still had a lot more than 12 ships after Halo 3.

[@bubbasbigblast8563]

Nobody really knows: it depends on how close a hyperdrive could get, and how effective shields are against MACs, as well as if the UNSC could deal with fighters attacking on their own.

[@codename1176]

@@bubbasbigblast8563 the question really is how good is the particle shielding

[@justinmochi7323]

I mean against covenant ships it usually takes an appropriately sized mac one shot for the shields and another for the ship. If you work on the fact that both the covenant and rebels are a good bit above the unsc in tech, I'd say that same rule would apply. The rebels don't have the numbers the covenant do so Wolfpack tactics would work really well against them

[@pkyboi937]

More so considering UNSC ships fight beyond visual range unlike SW ships… More so on the lackluster performance of turbolasers.

[@grimprime0158]

@@bubbasbigblast8563 yeah and that is highly based on the skill of the pilots and pwr of their nav computer.

[@hetzer5926]

The rebels: “We have a galaxy backing us up. And one of the greatest Jedi to ever live!” The UNSC: *laughs in Master Chief*

[@albertolev3383]

LOL

[@rc59191]

Pretty sure Luke can crush Master Chief in his armor like a tin can.

[@hetzer5926]

@@rc59191, I’m pretty sure Chief can crumple Luke like paper

[@rc59191]

@@hetzer5926 I highly doubt that considering how Luke's saber can cut through Chiefs armor easily or Luke can use force crush before Chief could even close the distance.

[@hetzer5926]

@@rc59191, chief has fought aliens that have similar abilities to the force. That and your severely underestimating his armor and speed. His armor did survive re-entry and the following impact. That and it has a literal shield which would cause more than a few issues for a someone with a plasma sword.

[@1Scimetar]

I'm going to side with the UNSC for one simple reason. I see turbo laser technology to be comparable to Covenant plasma mortars, meaning that the UNSC would be more accustomed to dealing with such attacks. Meanwhile, all the defensive measures that are shown in Star Wars seam geared towards mitigating thermal energy and I foresee a fair amount of trouble defending against the kinetic energy attacks that the UNSC would be using. And I have to think that the longsword "fighters" weren't meant to be what are called dominance fighters, and I'd seriously doubt that there wouldn't be a dominance fighter, even if it wasn't shown on screen, as that would be a massive oversight by the UNSC fleet planners. Instead, I see the longswords being fighter-bombers, filling the same battlespace role as a y-wing, with a ship launched version of Halo Reach's sabre, which I'd like to call the raspier, filling the x-wings multirole function the way the pelicans fill the u-wing's dropship role, and finally a theoretical gladius fighter to fill that dominance role. I mean, the Covenant had the seraph for the fighter-bomber role and the banshee for the dominance role.

[@Mr-Ad-196]

The long sword is interceptor and I think they had other variants as well.

[@robertchurch5646]

The Yuuzhan Vong fleet Vs. The Wraith fleet (Stargate Atlantis)

[@bogart9981]

Oh that's a solid match up, nicely done!

[@kristiandahl1310]

Much as I love Atlantis, the Vong just have this fight. Didn't they drop a moon on a planet? Plus no in fighting among hives or need to feed on their enemy.

[@coreymicallef365]

The Vong would win that one. Individual Hive ships are tough as hell but there's only something like 60 of them all up, and maybe 2-3 times as many cruisers backing them up. I'm pretty sure the Vong would be able to overwhelm them with numbers and tonnage, and even if it's relatively simple for the Wraith to grow new ships they don't have a civilian population to recruit for more ships crews and Wraith seem to take just as long as humans to grow up, so unless they had access to a cloning machine and the power source to run it they'd run out of ships and manpower long before the Vong did. It'd still be a good video though.

[@kristiandahl1310]

@@coreymicallef365 depends on who invades who's universe. Cause given enough ZPM, the wraith could grow a lot of soldiers/ships.

[@coreymicallef365]

@@kristiandahl1310 one or two ZPMs would completely change the situation but under normal circumstances they wouldn't have those.

[@cplhotpockets]

Pre war UNSC: 800 planets, 2034 ships (likely meaning proper warships, i.e. carriers cruiser, frigates, destroyers, things of that tonnage, not small patrol crafts) about 60 billion people, calculated by Installation 00 and Halo Canon Post War UNSC: 200 ships, likely including about 20 cruisers and carriers ( it was stated in the fall of reach at around the Battle of Sigma octanus that the UNSC at 20 Cruisers left, if we count the losses following at reach Mars tribute in Earth I think 20 cruises and carriers combined seems reasonable), about 34 billion humans in population, and about 150 inner colonies and about 50 outer colonies, deduced based off of statements of how many planets or bypassed when it comes to detect reach as well as surviving population and estimated population of inner and outer Colony worlds. Conclusion: UNSC has access to lots of resources post-war that they didn't have pre-war raising the ceiling of their possible advancements much higher however they are much much weaker in the short-term. I don't think the Rebel Alliance could Wipe Out the post-war UNSC very quickly as that's not their fighting style and I don't think they have the resources for it which means that they would have to have a long-term War which do you want to see would be better at fighting and our post-war State getting stronger the further you get from 2552. If you put the pre-war UNSC, they have a much better chance at winning the short-term or however they are long-term capped because they do not have access two newly accessed Forerunner and Covenant technology they've been reverse engineering for 30 years, but they could do the same with the rebels technology we just take time but they might be able to outlast of the rebels as they have way more ships territory and population. Either way I give it to the UNSC as they are a proper fighting faction where is the Rebel Alliance is something like the insurrection only stronger but the UNSC can handle both. Also Spartans differ in both situations, with there being all of the Spartan twos at the very start of the war except they don't have energy Shields or the more advanced mjolnir variants, but in the post-war Spartan fours are just coming online and there are still a few surviving Spartan twos and threes with the more advanced mjolnir variance.

[@JakeDaemen]

Surrendering, is quite literally, no longer an option for me anymore. -Rear Admiral Cole

[@Cameron088]

Meanwhile, Rebels in Rouge One "We should surrender"

[@kutahkikasei2251]

Hmmmmmm..... What would the UNSC Infinity ramming a Mon Calamari ship look like.....

[@Cameron088]

A destoryed ship, and the Infinity still in tact

[@kutahkikasei2251]

@@Cameron088 Indeed, Admiral Ackbar and even Admiral Thrawn would be in awe.....

[@offsetcircle1903]

The insides would probably look like a chippy

[@casematecardinal]

A sex scene presumably

[@epicsx43]

MAC cannons go pew pew

[@jovialmonster757]

@c0ya1 don’t need to as MAC cannons go pew pew

[@beserker9890]

@c0ya1 yes they can, Longswords are massive and use autocannons stronger than a M1Abrams main gun, and the UNSC’s new fighters have shielding.

[@CoolMyron]

hits shield, does small damage

[@beserker9890]

@@CoolMyron *Ahem* B A N Z A I

[@CoolMyron]

@@beserker9890 im sorry, i dont understand

[@override6832]

Kull Warrior (Stargate) vs Sangheili (Halo) Cylon Raider (BSG) vs Droid Tri-fighter (Star Wars)

[@blighty8607]

Sounds fun, I wonder what eck will think!

[@wildcat2087]

70's BSG or 2000's BSG Cylon raider?

[@Gigas0101]

@@wildcat2087 I'd assume 2000s raider. Kids these days and all that.

[@thelordofcringe]

Kull are op af so def them.

[@Edward-tg6vb]

Wort wort wort

[@georgewagner1564]

I think Mac cannons would be more effective that you'd think, especially coming from the infinity

[@gryphon3241]

especially when you consider that some of the larger mac's (like the orbital defense platforms over earth, or the punitive class that he mentions in this video) where capable (as in documented instances of it happening in lore) of punching right through the shields on covenant super carriers and coring the ship in one hit

[@jw1oon]

Wasn’t the “Holdo Maneuver” the same as a MAC cannon? I’ve never understood after TLJ why ships didn’t start using MAC cannons/FTL torpedoes

[@georgewagner1564]

@@jw1oon the only movie in the sequel trilogy I've seen is the force awakens

[@majesticwolfyguy6629]

The Infinity MACs are fired at 25% Speed of Light, so, basically each shot is as strong as the Death Stars single reactor blast

[@jw1oon]

@@majesticwolfyguy6629 sounds like UNSC would be able to destroy Rebel capital ships then

[@lieutenantdan9337]

YES! A new VS episode! Its so good to see these videos coming back, and with two of the most loved sci fi factions. Keep it up Eck, We love your videos!

[@ne3333t]

I mean in halo 3, when they thought the keyship was going to activate the rings, they sent all they had... 3 frigates and some longswords....

[@Kit_the_Kitsune]

"all they had" that could operate in atmosphere and were present in system

[@AnimeAmvStar]

Ya Halo Ships really dont do operation in the Atmosphere due to the danger of the MAC being use. In Reach you even hear Jorge question the use of the weapon in one of the missions. Plus the Key Ship is Forerunner and well that thing is a tank XD

[@lordshaxx9090]

I honestly feel like if you brought Spartans into the fold, the story would be very different, 1 Spartan could easily take out a whole ship single handedly

[@ethankeltner7026]

personally i agree up until mac cannons, they would absolutely shred capital ships, this is because i believe personally covenant ships have better shielding that rebel ships.

[@sumukhvmrsat6347]

Yep

[@cptsean2026]

I think he said before in another video that deflector shields are stronger than energy shields

[@wildcat2087]

also shields in star wars for projectiles have to recharge after it goes up and takes a few hits and for a short time leaves them defenseless as seen in The Clone Wars series when Anikin uses the cloaked ship to attack admiral trench's ship and star wars have 2 different shields energy protection against lasers and ray shields for objects like people or asteroids and from what i have read they cant really overlap well for coverage which is why in space missiles can hit star destroyers and so can other ships cause they mostly used energy protection shields in space most often they ray shields

[@grimprime0158]

@@wildcat2087 so it would depend on if the rebels knew what they were getting into. Plus mon clala ships are well known for their tanks shields. If the rebels knew about the MAC’s and used ray shields’d give them the W. if not it could me anyone’s game depending on type of engagement.

[@saber5694]

Thing is the capital ships won't be the deciding factor. It will be the star fighters. A squadron of Xwings could easily perform hit and run missions on the slow clunky and in comparison relatively defenceless UNFC ships. The deflector shield they use to travel through hyperspace would likely be powerful enough to deflect stander anti-fighter weapons. In the end it will come down to a reble fighters dropping out in system crossing then moving to target in minutes or even seconds before jumping out of system and away form danger. All while the capital ships are safe a few 100 light years away

[@Merrick117]

The thing I've always liked about these videos wasn't so much on who would win, or even how, but just the comparison talk of the 2 sides. So basically this video was very nice :)

[@someoneunknown1645]

Even in Disney Canon, the Rebel Alliance managed to field thousands of ships (from 2,000 ships to 20,000 max) and hundreds of battlegroups in a Mid Rim Offensive shortly after the Battle of Yavin, this should be interesting to note.

[@rezboifrybread]

Mac cannon go 💥

[@panzerkampfwagenviiimaus3976]

@@rezboifrybread turbolasers go big bomb

[@Peter_Turbo4]

@@panzerkampfwagenviiimaus3976Shiva nukes go 🗿

[@panzerkampfwagenviiimaus3976]

@@Peter_Turbo4 a turbolaser is much bigger then a nuke

[@Peter_Turbo4]

@@panzerkampfwagenviiimaus3976 Wrong. Point out a single instance of a turbolaser shot being more powerful than a Shiva.

[@leralu198525]

I always loved that scene of the UNSC-Infinity exiting slipspace and taking out a covenant supercarrier. I always imagined the coversation like this. "Exiting slipspace..." ~minor speed bumb upon exit~ Lasky, "i thought they had a super carrier..." AI, "they did..that was the speed bump" Lasky, "oh.."

[@angerskarin9222]

That not a supercarrier.. the supercarrier are 29km long when the infinity only 5km.

[@jacobrobinson787]

That was a super-cruiser of some sort. Not a supercarrier

[@baron2062]

that was just a normal CCS class Battlecruiser im pretty sure

[@shcdemolisher]

@@baron2062 yeah it was a normal ship, but regardless I would NOT want to be on it when that happened!

[@stubbornspaceman7201]

That was an armored cruiser which are the precursor to the ccs cruiser. Basically it’s old and shit.

[@gy2045]

perfect timing Eck I watched a vid where you plugged installation00 and hopped over, subbed and binged on his vids and now you bring them together :)

[@matgreen983]

I'm watching these videos since two and a half years and wanted to thank you all. I'm in therapy because of a depression, and Star Wars content and these discussions help a lot for me. I don't know if it's just a distraction or if it really cheers me up, and I don't care tbh. Hearing Eck saying "hello" when no one else did that day in irl because you didn't manage to get up at all is wonderful. Thank you guys.

[@LostProblematique]

Think the UNSC would do pretty good against the guerilla tactics of a full on war Alliance. They had been fighting that style of war for decades by the time the Covenant hit and something like the spartans or even ODSTs would be very proficient at taking down people of interest of the alliance and maybe even running comms interference by using their advanced AI.

[@maico3010]

Sounds like what we really need is a detailed sci fi tier list, something that would allow us to see which universes have near equal power. That or even separate it out by faction in those universes. Once we know which ones are close in tier we can really plow into these versus videos.

[@abelramirez7320]

Admiral Hood: Chief, you mind telling me what you're doing on that ship?! Chief: Sir, finishing the Rebel Alliance.

[@Will_Forge]

Hey @Eckharts Ladder, you left out something about post-war UNSC that's really very vital to this: They have Huragoks onboard their ships now, especially the Infinity. Not only would the rebels be forced to use their shields in a guerilla warfare tactical focus due to the size of the UNSC, but also they would hands down lose at a drawn out war due to the Huragok engineers being able to rapidly reverse engineer any and all Rebel tech. Their superior FTL? Their shields? Their fighters? Their turbolasers? All UNSC tech in literal hours after the UNSC can manage to capture it. And THAT'S where the Spartans come in and shine. Get just one Spartan onboard, and you have a captured gunship. Get a full squad of four and you have a captured cruiser. Get the Infinity in the fight, and you've taken Home One. But I'd also like to say that neither would be able to track the other's FTL due to not understanding it at first, but Halo FTL doesn't have to be in such a straight line, even with the Covenant war era lower tech. I shouldn't have even said the rebels had superior FTL a second ago necessarily, because their superior speed and distance isn't the only metric for military tech comparisons. The UNSC ships with the help of shipboard dumb AIs, or just one smart AI for the local fleet, could jump across a solar system to wind up henhind themselves. No need to turn so slowly to about-face. Moreover, since the rebels don't have slipspace drives, the UNSC could use the portals formed by their drives as a weapon. This wouldn't work so well against Covies since they can just fire up their own drives to compensate and maintain structural integrity, hence why Noble team had to take the super carier by surprise by using a Convenient Corvette at Reach. The rebel ships would frequently be split to pieces, with half of them teleported to oblivion. I'm extremely interested to hear what you think about these two views.

[@thewasp1167]

Right of the back the UNSC has the Nova bomb, it can destroy a FREAKING PLANET, basicly the dead star laser in a bomb

[@dainguyen2733]

and somewhat less resource consuming

[@CoolMyron]

and a ISD can do the same in a few hours

[@tridonstrident6785]

@@CoolMyron Yeah, a few hours

[@CoolMyron]

@@tridonstrident6785 thats one ISD. one normal ISD. there would never be just one ISD. also the UNSC does not have 100s of those.

[@peskymacaw9033]

*Death Star

[@bountymemer4638]

Rooting for the rebels but gotta say UNSC.

[@randomidoit9605]

Rebels, they have Perry the Platypus.

[@SFred104]

waw, your not actually bullshitting, your bringing this back, thank you, its kinda why i subscribed in the first place!

[@adamorick2872]

UNSC has better firing range. Starwars has unrealistic energy stats contradicted by other books. Starwars is more fighter and bomber heavy, while UNSC have superior space fighters. Plus Shiva Nukes and Spartan infiltrator teams

[@Delta-kt4gj]

Dont forget the NOVA bomb

[@Noah-zz8uw]

Star Wars also uses projectile weapons on their ships, in the form of many mass driver cannons: kzbin.info/www/bejne/bpq1dKiZfdaqqdE. I agree that the Rebels are more bomber/fighter heavy though, and I don't see many great ways the UNSC can defend their ships. I've heard a lot about point defense weapons, but they don't seem so effective at shooting down Banshees with relatively low-yield weaponry:kzbin.info/www/bejne/Y5DOc61rZd9-gJo, let alone starfighters that are firing ion cannons, and proton torpedos.

[@wolfire2322]

"I think we both know the answer to that."

[@RalseiSmokerOfBlunts]

Remember that one scene from the Star Wars movie where the rebel ship goes light speed crashing into that huge star destroyer? Yeah now imagine the UNSC’s guns like that the MAC cannons shoot large bulks of metal at extreme speeds that will easily tear apart the rebel ships and piercing through their armor and shields

[@Warstafang]

I have missed watching these kinds of discussion. Please make more :)

[@nottonyhawk123]

I feel that the rebel alliance fleet being 7% the size of the empire is a pretty good number. This would give them approximately 1700 ships from capital ships to support vessels: frigates and corvettes.

[@TheWingland]

Fleet battle between Grand admiral Thrawn vs. Ender Wiggin Each one has an equal sized fleet with equally capable subordinates, and since Ender is from a different universe each has equal understanding of the technology they’re using. They are in command of Star Wars vessels. Pick a famous fleet of your choosing I’d suggest death squadron.

[@spiffygonzales5899]

I'd give it to Thrawn. I've read enders game. But at the end of the day Thrawn almost toppled a galaxy wide republic with only nine capital ships, and ender BARELY beat back some Aliens with not nearly as many planets and a technological advantage on his side.

[@maxpower3990]

How long would they have to learn about each other before hand? Alot of Thrawn's ability comes from his prior research into his enemy.

[@TheWingland]

@@maxpower3990 That’s a good question one for which I don’t have an answer

[@spiffygonzales5899]

@@maxpower3990 Oof, fair point. I missed that. If either of them just went in balls to the wall I'd give Ender a MUCH better chance at victory since thrawns fleet consists of poorly fitted ships crewed by war weary veterans. Hell I even think ender would have the upper hand here, because star destroyers are pretty straightforward while in enders game humanities ships are... different to say the least. So ender would have a much better idea of what he's facing. Hell Thrawn may actually retreat before the battle even starts just to make sure he can get an idea of what to do.

[@daveparker6979]

@@spiffygonzales5899 I suspect Thrawn would have the advantage after the first engagement, as Ender's technology ( as far as I know only having read the one book ) relies on conventional technology for getting their ships places, Thrawn would be able to disengage at will, attack wherever he wanted, and I suspect be able to defeat whatever fleet Ender was assigned in detail. Also, Ender handles extreme stress well, but is kept at an extreme level of stress, which in the book leads to errors of judgment. While Thrawn is not immune to such errors, in any given engagement I would trust him to have the cooler head more able to pick apart his opponent.

[@pokest45-pz52]

Personally, I believe that the UNSC would definitely have the advantage in soldier-to-soldier gunfights and general ground operations. Rebel gear is poorly suited to deflecting projectiles, even the most basic bullets, and if a lightsaber were to melt a bullet, the momentum of the melted bullet would just make it fly into the user's face, and we haven't seen any Jedi make plasma bolts fly backwards of their own accord. UNSC are also generally better-equipped in gunfights, as a normal Halo Marine would be able to survive 2-3 plasma hits. However, the Alliance is mainly based around space combat, and would definitely delete the UNSC fleet, with their superior shields and plasma weapons, meaning that the UNSC would have to focus on sending boarding teams of Spartans and ODST in order to disable enemy ships, although boarding ships could easily be destroyed. Note: The reason I say "plasma" is because most of the Star Wars weapons are probably plasma-based, as lasers simply don't fly around that way and can't be deflected, while plasma can.

[@Noah-zz8uw]

The standard Rebel rifle is the A280, which fires a plasma bolt specifically made to penetrate as much armor as possible, and be powerful at long ranges. Additionally, blasters ammunition can be stored in extremely small containers. I'm talking hundreds of shots in something that is around the size of a quarter, or not much bigger. This means that Rebels can fire hundreds of shots before needing to reload. Additonally, these gas and energy cells don't weight much compared to 7.62x51mm rounds. For power of blasters see these videos: kzbin.info/www/bejne/b2qcoXSJg7GCf6s, and kzbin.info/www/bejne/n5eVeaF9nrl9ras, and kzbin.info/www/bejne/fJXSk5pti5priZY. Han solo's pistol alone was capable of this: kzbin.info/www/bejne/eanKgoZjbKqWedE. In terms of more specialized forces, Rebel Pathfinders and Specforce will be able to contend with ODSTs considering that both should be able to kill each other relatively easily. Meanwhile, although Jedi are small in number, many of them can dodge bullets just fine. Weaker Jedi than Luke can go from not moving to a blur: kzbin.info/www/bejne/aYOmiqZmg5qKqcU. Additionally, with lightsabers being able to vaporize many metals, and Legends not being canon anymore, as well as us not knowing the true velocity of ay of the slugs fired at Obi Wan, there isn't a ton supporting that bullets can go through lightsabers in canon. That being said, Obi Wan and other Jedi have survived bullets going though lightsabers.

[@angerskarin9222]

@@Noah-zz8uw Yes but most of the star war guns fire kind of slow compared to a normal machine gun, and because they basicly have no armor 1 solder can kill a couple of them.

[@binks808]

@@Noah-zz8uw while the rebels do have soldiers that can be up to par with ODST and have other spec ops forces they generally are very thin towards just how much soldiers the unsc have unlike the rebels the unsc are all highly trained soldiers and I shouldn’t have to get to how strong ODST and Spartans are. I’d put laser guns on par with the covenants plasma weapons especially having to deal with hunters etc the rebels don’t really have any room to just flat out use units like that while the unsc have the numbers and experience on top of having Spartans and AI and if they had help from the elites it would do some damage too.

[@derth9230]

@@binks808 dont forget the absolute embarassment of their higher tech counterparts the covenant

[@CococachewTris]

We forgot to add the concept of advanced A.I. R2-D2 in the comics was able to destroy an entire starship by taking control of the systems , removing life support, and opening all airlocks. If a simple R2 unit was able to do that, any A.I. in Halo would be able to do that 100x better. We see Cortana hacking and manipulating old Forunner tech. She would easily be able to turn everything on its head. That would only leave fighters able to do anything. The Rebels have no protection from hacking and often suffer for simple hacking tools in multiple shows and movies. So, as long as the UNSC has factors like that, then the UNSC would have a 9/10 win rate.

[@TopHatJack4970discord]

Recommendation the flood vs the yuuzhang vong or the forerunners vs the yuuzhang vong

[@lwangsness9734]

Forerunners stomp

[@CaseyCollier]

Flood would probably stomp too...

[@lonewolf8585]

It doesn’t matter how powerful a ship shields are . All you have to do is shot a rock fast enough for someone to have a bad day.

[@theoverlord5479]

Doesn’t help that Star Wars Deflector Shields only work on Blaster/Laser Fire.

[@basudebsarkar5487]

Very fast

[@cameronzwicke5761]

@@theoverlord5479 they work on both energy and physical, do some research its easy just Google star wars shielding

[@joshuahadams]

@@cameronzwicke5761 so, how’d that kamikaze attack take down a Super Star Destroyer?

[@cameronzwicke5761]

@@joshuahadams if you're referring to return of the jedi their shields were being hammered by the entire rebel fleet and the officer says they just knocked our shields down. Then he flew into the bridge before they could raise the shields back up. But again that's after being hammered by the entire rebel fleet.

[@fortherepublic1263]

Arbiter (Thel) vs. General Grievous! Prophet’s bane vs. Jedi Hunter

[@generalofchaos5174]

If we're talking Legends Grievous, then he'd win most of the time. Canon Grievous on the other hand, well, then it'd be an even fight.

[@toeseater2855]

I’d like to see Luke’s and Masterchief’s plot armor goes against eachother

[@Furydragonstormer]

I believe you also while saying how hard it can be also brought up another point that aggravates me many times: Many match ups are blatantly biased because nobody did any research of the differing power levels in each universe

[@horrificpleasantry9474]

Correct. Much more fun when people dig deeper

[@ocadioan]

@@horrificpleasantry9474 But then you always run into the issue of most authors not understanding physics or bothering to keep continuity a priority. For instance, Star Wars both treats orbital bombardment as though it is easy to glass a planet with star destroyers, yet they keep building insane death stars and satellite weapon arrays to do it like it is some kind of achievement.

[@sketchbook8177]

Halo factions lose pretty often, but the one which will win every time is the Flood. Greatest end game threat in all of sci-fi.

[@randomidoit9605]

The X-Parasite from Metroid makes the Flood seem like fish food.

[@samschellhase8831]

Scorpion Tank vs AT-TE? Both use an projectile as their main weaponry. Tracks vs walker, could be an interesting matchup?

[@jamesbutson7051]

If you wanna bring realism into it walkers are stupid to the absolute max and will just sink into the ground

[@justinmochi7323]

I'd say the atte would win. I'd like a grizzly vs atte

[@LegatusLucius1994]

Any of the Star Wars 2 legged walkers would be the equivalent of a mantis in Halo the scorpion tank has over 20 variants most of which would devastate an ATAT

[@ur-didact1991]

Everybody gangsta until a Spartan comes out of tank

[@thatguybrody4819]

in the wise words of Chips Dubbo: Tank beats EVERYTHING!

[@blakeetter280]

There’s four major reasons the UNSC would hand the rebels their asses on a durasteel plate. First off, and simplest, the Star Wars universe is large in size small in number surprisingly, their ships have a dozen lasers and a few dozen point defense guns, UNSC frigates have hundreds of guns and one big MAC, so star fighters manned by pilots isn’t gonna help a lot because those guns are controlled by a smart AI who can hit like 90% of the time. Those AI also control the big guns so that MAC isnt missing. Star Wars guns are manned by pilots which means they miss often. Second, we know from episode five that you can EMP a cruiser, in fact it was a relatively common tactic for the rebels. Halo has confirmed that their nukes are what knock out covenant shields by releasing an EMP upon detonation, it’s not actually the force of the blast like everyone thinks. So the rebels shields aren’t gonna even slow the unsc. Third a MAC round can travel through an entire covenant corvette (quarter mile) from the front to the back and keep going. That will shatter anything in the star wars universe short of the death star and some super sized ships. Plus nukes can fired from longswords to disable them from a distance. And fourth is the rebel alliance is actually relatively small in terms of fleet power, it’s why they don’t engage in open combat usually. The UNSC can front a single battlegroup in the dozens of ships rather easily, that would be a major undertaking for the rebels. So if you’re bringing all their forces to fight each other at once the UNSC is gonna wipe the floor with the rebels every time. Even a turbo laser isn’t gonna instantly destroy a UNSC ship, those things can survive a giant wave of plasma (they usually don’t but they can) so a burning gas projectile isn’t gonna do much. They sometimes also use shells but that’s probably gonna do even less. And if the UNSC has a heavy MAC gun (which are mounted on some of their bigger ships) they’re gonna just plow through shields with that alone and keep going to hit another. One heavy MAC once went through three corvettes at the battle of reach while they were shielded. That’s a shit ton of power! Top of my head I think one of those projectiles weighed something like twenty five thousand tons or something like that. Like firing a modern day battleship at the enemy but it’s made of super dense tungsten. Also as the UNSC have smart AI and you can hack a star wars computer in seconds with a wrench I would say they could probably just wirelessly fuck with the rebels anyways but that’s probably less helpful in battle than just jamming their comms

[@admiralhydra519]

"Well thats nice and clear right? No of course it's not" lol

[@goldenghetto7797]

Hi ecks, how are you? Also umm could you go like the arc 170 versus idk like a longsword. Have a good one

[@ninedivines5374]

Absolutely the unsc

[@fennecfox4019]

I love how you eaven sead you where slightly bias but still took the time to look into each side of the argument. I respect that.

[@Milktartarus]

We all know masterchief with a CE pistol could takedown the entirety of the rebel alliance but Luke would put up an extreme fight for masterchief but once he’s done with him it’s pretty easy for masterchief

[@jimmyjohn6504]

The problem if you wanted to be fair we would need to remove masterchief and Luke from the equation.

[@Milktartarus]

Makes sense but wouldn’t they at least be able to have Spartan 4s

[@sernoddicusthegallant6986]

But Can MC's plot armor match Luke's plot armor?

[@Milktartarus]

@@sernoddicusthegallant6986 well his plot armor was designed by humanity’s greatest scientists

[@randomidoit9605]

@@Milktartarus But Luke's plot armor is the Force itself... And force choking.

[@casbot71]

For longer conflicts, adaptability and being able to reverse engineer enemy technology are something that should/could be taken into account for faction scenerios. For example in this case unless it's a all in final battle the UNSC should be able to change tactics and themselves in order to cope with this new enemy. And if they got their hands on a rebel ship they should be able to reverse engineer the systems somewhat. Whereas in Star Wars all technology has the same base and has been stagnant for millennia, with only performance gains. And they are strategic morons. A good example of a very adaptable faction is Star Trek's Federation. They can come across a completely alien technology based on different principles and reverse engineer and integrate it into one of their ships _in the field_ in a matter of days… or even hours. And in the middle of a battle they can modify their weapons, shields and pull any sort of _Super Science shenanigans_ out of their ass, to the point that *The Doctor* would give them grudging respect. "You used a inverse tachyon pulse? … Well… … I'd have gone with reversing the polarity of the neutron flow. But, still it was clever". And being unpredictable and trying out of the box solutions and tactics are their modus operandi, to the point that they drive the Borg nuts. And a totally Alien faction with a completely different technology and physics attacking them from another dimension is generally known as a Tuesday. Whereas the Imperium of Man couldn't and wouldn't utilise a enemies technology, or even modify their own to counter it, if you tattooed the plans upon their heads. But they would just swamp *anyone* with elite veteran forces that are ready and eager to die in battle before that becomes a issue. Even the Doctor if he/she opened the door to the TARDIS and found themselves on Holy Terra, would go "fuck this" slam the TARDIS door shut and decide to catch up with Davros instead. But if the factions are even anywhere near each other in strength so that it a didn't become a one shot - them being able to adapt is a major factor that needs to be modelled.

[@keenices1972]

Its been a while you did this.

[@EpicSOB_]

A close range fight in halo, is 20,000km, a long range fight in Star wars is 20,000 meters.

[@JaelaOrdo]

If the UNSC has Infinity, then they win 9 times out of 10, if they have Master Chief they win all 10 times. Imagine Chief vs Luke Skywalker

[@whythough6619]

Chief easily since chief has guns which go faster then he can react

[@hrandmaatitagain8134]

I think the force would be a huge thing tilting the battle towards Luke, but then again, we haven't seen them fight

[@ninedivines5374]

The thing is even if luke can kill cheif it's not like he's the only spartan they have hundreds

[@whythough6619]

@@hrandmaatitagain8134 force users normally dont use the force in combat though also i think luke wouldn’t think much off chief at first

[@tioy3442]

That match up sounds amazing, but that battle would be quite short. If Luke reacts quicker, Chief dies via the force. If Chief reacts quicker, Luke dies via molten bullets. Both have very quick reaction times, so really it’s a coin toss if you ask me.

[@TheWingland]

I will respectfully disagree that the Rebel Alliance would win. First, I do think you are overestimating their numbers. Large capital ships are difficult to maintain and given their stateless strategy this issue would be double for the rebellion. Also, the strength of the Rebel fleet was never its capital ships but its Star fighters . Furthermore, I don’t think you can call sector fleets part of the rebel alliance. Those fleet would defend their system/sector and fight alongside the rebel alliance of attacked. However I don’t think they would join the Alliance in an offensive. I do believe the fleet at Ensor represents the bulk of alliance firepower. Second, I believe you are underestimating the UNSC. You did a video about a year ago where you calculated that the UNSC had about 2000 warships at the beginning of the war. Given the hundreds of settled colonies this number seem realistic to me. Given UNSC naval doctrine I imagine that there would be a few Punic supercarriers, 300 or so cruisers such as marathons, and 1700 hundred smaller ships like frigates and destroyers. Third, If this starts at the beginning of the human covenant war. We in effect replace the covenant with the alliance. I believe humanity would attempt ship captures like they did in Silent Storm. I’d bet the 12 spartans in that book could capture even a Mob Cala cruiser on their own. Spartans are vastly superior to any ground troops the alliance employs and unlike the covenant I don’t think Alliance captains would self restrict their ships. The UNSC would them be able to study and adapt the technology and improve their own warships. Fourth, as I noted the strength of the rebel alliance is in their start fighters not capital ships. This works well against the empire due to TIE fighter being terrible, lack of support fleets, and lack of point defense cannons on Star Destroyers. While the UNSC would have inferior fighters they do employ support fleets of small screening vessels. Also large capital ships do posses anti Star fighter weapons which are atleast reasonably effective against Seraphs. The greatest strength of the Alliance will kit be as effective against the UNSC as it was against the Empire. As for ran I don’t think it really matters both universes extended lore say they can fight at crazy ranges. Finally, UNSC AI will allow for far better coordination that anything Star Wars can do. This is important as Thrawn proved how big a difference a well coordinated fleet makes with the cloned Jedi whose name I forget. This lesson is also seen and Endor when Palpatine dies the Empire loses cohesion and is forced to flee. In summary I believe the UNSC would be able to capture Alliance technology and reverse engineer it. They would then use their superior numbers to slow Alliance advances and whittle Alliance forces. I believe the Alliance will win some early battles and every ship they lose will take multiple UNSC ships with it. But they are to outnumbered their biggest strength the Starfighter corps will be less effective and they will eventually lose the technological advantage they have. If you see this please tell me what you think of my analysis. I do it posses your Star Wars knowledge. I am reasonably well versed in Halo lore and have studied a lot of military history and strategy. #askeck

[@grim2331]

you should make your own video, thats alot of reading

[@Frostyman452]

Correction on the inferior fighters bit. Speed of an X-wing: 1,025 kph (actual canon lore, and legends if you wanna go there) Speed of a longsword: 318,960 kph (also canon lore)

[@TheWingland]

@@Frostyman452 longswords don’t have shields. Also top speed doesn’t really matter in a dog fight. Acceleration and maneuverability are vastly more important.

[@Frostyman452]

@@TheWingland I mean, it does since that decides whether one can hit the other. Longswords don’t need shields to be effective against those who do, source: entire Human-Covenant War. Longswords have incredible maneuverability, though not on the level of banshees or seraphs.

[@TheWingland]

@@Frostyman452 and I’d be willing to bet and X wing is more maneuverable than a banshee or seraph given that Star fighter combat is more prevalent and important in Star Wars than Halo. Honestly the only UNSC craft I think that would have a good chance against an X wing would be a Halo reach Saber. I don’t think those should be included given I imagine this war starting in 2525 and I doubt more than 20 sabers were even made. Also your long sword speed source is that before or after the covenant war? I ask because there are improvements to longswords and broadswords after the war. Shadow of Reach even mentions that they now have shields.

[@ThoomLord]

Edit: for those who see this comment, it is a very long list of the big things the UNSC has that Eck missed. I end by concluding I would not say the UNSC win,, but I think they have a bigger chance than initially given. Especially if they are defending. (Its a long comment tho, be warned.) One MASSIVE thing that I think you missed with the UNSC is their explosive tech, and more specifically NOVA bombs. You do briefly mention that nukes do exist in star wars, however it is made very clear in the Halo novels and other lore that they have MANY different kinds and levels of nukes, even including the HAVOK which is litterally a nuclear grenade. Then they have the NOVA Bomb, to be fair it had only been finished a little over a year before the war ended, however as we see in Halo Envoy it can litterally shatter and destroy a planet it is so powerful. Also, I will say I do believe that specifically SUPER MACS would be extremely effective against rebel ships. The only place we have seen them in the war against the covenant is on Orbital Defense platforms, however the UNSC Infinity is the first SHIP to have them and we see the Infinity use its SUPER MACS to punch a hole into The Mantles approach. The Didacts Personal Flagship. You CANNOT tell me that a star wars ship is better shielded and protected than a FORRUNNER Capital ship. It is also stated that they have the power to destroy a covenant capital ship fairly easily, given the platform doesn't get destroyed first. Now the UNSC would only have these on Orbital Defense platforms, however that gets me to my point. I still don't know that I would give a winner, especially considering the disadvantage the UNSC has with travel, however, ESPECIALLY if they are defending, I think the UNSC has a much better chance than you give them credit for.

[@ThoomLord]

Links to Halo articles on the main things I list. www.halopedia.org/NOVA_bomb www.halopedia.org/Magnetic_Accelerator_Cannon www.halopedia.org/HAVOK_tactical_nuclear_weapon

[@aralornwolf3140]

This isn't along comment... break it up into paragraphs would make better formatting. A long comment would be approaching the 10k character limit of youtube comments,

[@SkywalkerWroc]

"You CANNOT tell me that a star wars ship is better shielded and extended than a FORRUNNER Capital ship" - I absolutely can, and I do. Besides - it's hilarious that you argue 1 ship could kill 1 rebel warship, when Rebels have thousands of them, each able to jump on top of the UNSC Infinity at the time of choosing. Cause here's a thing - Star Wars ships have not just an extremely fast, but also extremely precise hyperdrive. And that's without even mentioning fighters - why bother with MC cruiser, when squadron of B-wings could get rid of the Infinity without a problem? Add some X-wings with proton torpedoes for escorts, jump out from the hyperspace in a rear of the Infinity and it's dead within seconds. And Eck did mention nukes - even the largest are barely able to make a dent in capital ship shields. NOVA bombs? There's fewer of those than the Rebel ships on Endor, yet alone the entire Rebel Alliance fleet. Purely on the numbers game it's not a winning tactic, and again: fighters and bombers are there for a reason, Rebels rarely engaged enemies with capital ships, typically their fighter-bomber hit and run tactics did the job, and that's something the Infinity is extremely vulnerable to. Then there's a whole topic of Star Wars ion weapons paralizing unshielded UNSC ships in the first salvo, but that's for another discoussion. Pretty much an only area where UNSC can win is an infantry combat. Maybe in armored vehicles too, if you ignore the power and ECM/ECCM discrepancy.

[@ThoomLord]

@@SkywalkerWroc Okay, I NEVER said 1 UNSC ship could beat a rebel ship. I said that the SUPER MACs on an Orbital Defense platform would be extremely effective against the rebel fleet. Primarilly because of range and the fact that, due to demonstrated power, I believe that they would be able to do real damage. Also, if you want to say Star Wars ships are moe durable than a forreunner captial ship, BS. Eckharts latter has a video on that, in which he concludes a united star wars galaxy would have almost no chance against the forreunners. kzbin.info/www/bejne/jqmrfnaVdq6Fgpo And one where he concludes the same thing, exept the forreuners are being pit against the CELESTIALS. Which are the star wars equivilant of the forreunners. kzbin.info/www/bejne/b3O5ZWyYdrShg6M Also, yes the UNSC only has a few NOVA's, however saying "They only have the ability to destroy a FEW planets" Is stupid. I don't think its enough to turn the tide, and I didn't say it was. However they are DEFINITALLY worth considering. Especially, given that they could theoretically use one, on a prowler, to destroy an entire rebel fleet. Again, I do not believe that the UNSC would win, I just believe that they would do better than given credit. ESPECIALLY if they are defending.

[@ThoomLord]

@@SkywalkerWroc Also, on the note of the Infinity, considering the size of the rebel fleet, giving the UNSC the Infinity (which I didn't) wouldn't make much of a difference. However again, even Eck akgnowledges that he doesn't think any single wartime rebel ship could compete with the Infinity. It has a TON of augmented forreunner and covanant tech, thousands of pelicans, sabres, and longswords, as well as the ability to carry several frigates inside it. Yes certain star wars ships MIGHT be able to disable it, depending on the level of EMP sheilding they can break. (Yes the UNSC Infinity does have shielding, and emp shielding) However you would have to get past the fighters that the Infinity first. Which while yes, star wars has a massive advantage in that area, you can't just ignore the fighters. You're going to need to destroy them first, which does take time. The Infinity would definitally get demolished by the rebels, but it is definitally better than any singular wartime rebel ship. Besides, I don't even give the UNSC the Infinity in my argument.

[@M1A2C.]

For anyone saying the Rebels would win i got two words for you: UNSC Infinity

[@mxcherryblue5943]

Star Wars wins because of technology, proceeds to laugh in 40k

[@JustinLaFleur1990]

Master Chief: "Tell that to the Covenant."

[@LockheedC-130HerculesOfficial]

Arbiter: "were it so easy"

[@orctrihar]

The thecnology in Star Wars is thecnicly weaker

[@fejkpirat5118]

Not even the Force itself would survive more then a minute in a Halo multi-player lobby. Go Spartans! #redvsblue #suckitluke #endlessteabagging

[@tallerstond8105]

i can’t tell if this is a joke or no

[@basudebsarkar5487]

@@tallerstond8105 he said red vs blue, so it's kinda joke, but if you take freelancers, no joke

[@brotherhoodofsteel4751]

The rebels would have the advantage until the unsc started reverse engineering their tech.

[@Cameron088]

They dont even need to. People gove the rebels too much credit because plot armour. In Rouge One, the were TALKING BOUT Surrendering. The UNSC did not. Found the flaw in the Covenant battle structure, and Used it against them

[@wanbiis]

This right here. With hyper intelligent UNSC AI and people like Halsey, the UNSC would only have to buy enough time for new weapons to be deployed against the rebels

[@Cameron088]

@@wanbiis Dont forget Admiral Preston J. Cole. The one admiral who sent 300 Covenant Ships straight to hell

[@hiibillymayshere4238]

@@Cameron088 The rebels could surrender because they were fighting other humans you artard. The covenant was trying to eradicate humanity, no surrender would have been accepted, ever.

[@Cameron088]

@@hiibillymayshere4238 You dont need to get rude mister, The Rebels fought for freedom, and yet they are like "We should give up lol".

[@thelastbrick4551]

Great video! Love that you returned to VS videos!

[@Tracer_Krieg]

Master Chief vs Luke Skywalker: who has more plot armor?

[@AmonGus-zx5zr]

Master Chief doesn’t have plot armor. He’s just kinda a bad ass.

[@thatguybrody4819]

luke has plot armor, the chief has energy shields, thick enhanced armor, literally bio engineered to be a super soldier, and the luck o'the Irish.

[@speedy01247]

Honestly how would a lightsaber fair against energy shields? I don't recall many in star ways having them.

[@thatguybrody4819]

@@speedy01247 depending on the strength and angle they can deflect or block a hit once or quite a lot.

[@KaizerKlash111]

Luke can use precognition to crush Chief from the inside with the force before he knows

[@christopherdalle8928]

I'd love to see a proper visual representation of a protracted ground invasion between the UNSC and really any Star Wars faction, everyone I've ever seen ask the question about the efficacy of Star Wars armor V.S. conventional ballistic weapons seemed to always come to the conclusion that conventional ballistic weapons would absolutely shred Star Wars armor technology. Seeing a squad of stormtroopers deal with some marine sharpshooters would be really interesting (not seeing blaster bolts to determine location/massively outranged/pinpoint crippling shots/ massive concussive force with even partial hits/ no self-cauterizing wounds) I know star wars blasters would still likely melt most USNC armor even more than covenant weapons, but seeing the empire panic as some unknown force using "ancient" technology just unloads with 10-20 Assault Rifles at once would just be really interesting to see how they'd adapt and try to combat such a threat.

[@shcdemolisher]

Not to mention heavy anti armor weaponry to counter the Empire’s vehicles. Like scorpions firing at the legs of ATAT’s at extreme ranges, anti air missiles shooting down any imp transport or fighter out of their effective weapon range, combined with skilled and effective air fighters that give Ties a trip to the junk yard. And finally actual tactics that adapt to theirs and they struggle to comprehend how to beat them becuase of their stubbornness. (Talking about Imp commanders being the ones who suck)

[@gietpudemee9155]

I do love the UNSC, but the Rebel Alliance just has the better technology, especially if it comes to the fighters (even fighters like the Sabre or Broadsword are probably a joke to an X or A-wing)! The Rebel Alliance vs a single Covenant fleet(Battle of Reach) would be a more fair matchup concidering the both factions are pretty much on the same technological level.

[@Charlie94781]

The rebels would get pulverized by the UNSC

[@filipmizenko7524]

You should look at some of the most liked comments. They make very good points as to why the UNSC would destroy the rebels.

[@kellyshaya2576]

I only have a few issues with this video and they are that: 1.Although hyperspace is faster than the UNSC’s slip-space, hyper space requires hyper lanes which means that the rebels would both have to find a UNSC planet and then chart a hyper space lane to it assuming possible hyper lanes exist, sure since UNSC territory is pretty small compared the republic or empire the rebels could probably travel to UNSC planets without using hyper space, traveling without hyperspace would make it super easy for the UNSC to detect and prepare for a raid. With slip space though the UNSC could basically attack any rebel planet without hyper lanes meaning the UNSC could attack a planet from anywhere and out of nowhere, that’s a tactical advantage for the UNSC. 2.ONI would destroy the rebels easily. 3.Lastly the rebels relied on stealing assets from their from their enemy’s like ships because the Alliance did not have many ship yards and since the empires not involved in this scenario, so they would have to steal from the UNSC and that would be really difficult, at for stealing military assets because the UNSC would rather destroy their own ships, basses, and other military assets than have them fall into enemy hands.