ExfilZone Exposes Ghosts of Tabor’s UGLY Flaws!

[@samkedwards2032]

The funniest part is that Scott and his og team came from being in a contractors clan - not only that but he actually tried to sue Caveman for using a 'skill issue' charm. This is going to feel EXTRA personal to him

[@jakeypants_YT]

the ultimate BURN

[@EvanSimmons-em3ht]

Tbh now that I’m in exfilzone I see how much tabor is about grinding xp and overall contractors is just better to be able to jump right in

[@sparky_2826]

Hot take. To be damn honest, I personally don’t enjoy the way that either company handles their player base. Tabor just expect us to pay to win and to grind the game out like we don’t even have lives and two always refuse to acknowledge that their game needs to be debugged, but instead just tells us we have a skill issue. On the other hand, contractors showdown was an embarrassing flop, and basically gave up on the project before it even had the chance to start. Caveman Studios treats its consumers like investors. Combat waffle treats its Consumers like zombies.

[@mikeyrowlands8551]

What have they given up on?

[@atokad0927]

How is tabor pay to win 💀 but anyways tabors devs kinda suck yea

[@lemurblox8181]

Not sure to much about ptw but the cws team defo suck when it comes to taking criticism like how is it a skill issue that when I put down a purple key card it falls through the ground

[@keathsawdo8047]

@@atokad0927 buying the dlc giving you extra money, gear, and level 2 traders off the bat.

[@atokad0927]

@ that’s not pay to win. Thats a one time thing. Pay to win would be if you are able to just buy gear with real money whenever you want. You lose that stuff within a few days

[@frosteddibs]

I really hope tabor gets a reality check. Im really happy they get to finally experience what we as players feel. I really hope they know what kind of competition they are facing with exfilzone instead of just keep talking shit and expecting their loyal players to defend them.

[@neotim5]

Its good to see KZbinrs who arent trying to appeal to all marketing teams for future collaborations. All of Ghosts of tabor jank cant be blamed on the players anymore, this game made it obvious that it was always the developers skill issue. No idea why anyone would stay with the worse game but I feel sorry for the few souls who want to stay loyal to a company that couldnt care less about user experience.

[@jakeypants_YT]

You have never seen a youtuber give less of a fuck in your entire life. Welcome to my content 😂

[@sxy_agn]

I tried Exfilzone, but I still love Ghosts of Tabor more than Exfil. I don’t know what it is, but I do know, unlike most other Tabor AND Exfil players it seems, how not to complain and whine and bitch and moan.

[@EGoat]

I think the biggest difference is how much fun it is, the movement feels smooth and being able to clamber over areas feels buttery smooth, gunplay is designed well and easily understood how to use certain attachments with gun choices, and best of all, it's got a shit ton of content we've been asking for from Tabor for about months if not the whole year now. This is exactly what people wanted from Tabor, but Contractors delivered. All I want to see now is if it's going to be priced, or F2P an with the additional battle passes to add more money on top of it. I hope that this brings games to a good competition to see which game is going to be better.

[@Danny12201]

its actually insane how this is an alpha (or beta idk) but its already way more content filled than tabor, not only that less bugs and devs who actually acknowledge their games issues and bad parts.

[@TheSufferingAngel87]

i am new to Ghosts of Tabor and the Quest 3. I was disappointed by the movement as i bent over a desk or some other edges and it pushes me back?! In Contractors this is handled better.

[@Bigballerintabor]

This doesn’t even feel like an alpha anymore it feels like a full game I can’t wait for the entire game to come out

[@Nathan-Beale]

I do believe that if tabor were to add a full body healing system similar to the one in contractors, people would just complain about it and create a shit ton of drama

[@picadillo_de_chorizo81]

Does anybody know when exfilzone is to officially release?

[@jakeypants_YT]

nope

[@arthurg8515]

Your missing something very important, Contractors Showdown Exfil Zone is not a new game "still in alpha" that happens ti be much better than tabor, they got their experience and resources from OG contractors and Showdown so in they've been working on their title much longer than Tabor that has been basically made in a year, not optimally though. Tabor is a great and welcomed innovative game, but EZ delivered a proper madr game. Hopefully Tabor will take the necessary measures now that there is serious competition, their game needs a lot of changes to look as good as EZ

[@jakeypants_YT]

Yeah. I explained this exact thing in my last video. But I totally agree

[@FilthyCasualVR]

This gonna be so awesome. I really hope it takes off. I love how Contractors plays so much more than Tabor. It just feels more polished and less frustrating. Always has.

[@JimmyNuisance]

They focus on smooth gameplay whereas I have no idea what Tabor devs are focusing on.. Definitely not smooth gameplay. Many say the contractors games are quite arcady, and tbh I am totally fine with that. Clunky guns and reloads don't make games feel realistic, they just feel clunky and unrealistic... Reloading in Tabor is clunkier than real life, and that's silly as hell.

[@jakeypants_YT]

yes sir!

[@timmyl0]

Combat waffle are extremely immature in the way they handle their community. I think the issue with both games is they dont listen to their userbase.

[@-griffinsgaming-1974]

Although exfoliating zone has all of these feature so quickly it needs to be stated that they did have a lot of things to take from their other games to plug into exfoliating zone with just some tweaking. They’ve got already built ai for normal contractors and just plopped in portions of the showdown map.

[@jakeypants_YT]

Nothing is more important than skincare

[@samkedwards2032]

@@jakeypants_YT 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@jeremybliss3598]

​@@jakeypants_YTput the pumice down and step away from the bathtub😂

[@robertofernandez18000]

Damm after you kill the boss your soo shaky like you actual murdered a man

[@jakeypants_YT]

I am psychologically broken ☠️

[@nunyabusiness9056]

It's low key infuriating how tiny passionate dev teams are held to a higher standard than anybody else in the capitalist system. There wasn't mass outrage when Sony stopped supporting the playstation vita after nobody bought it. There wasn't mass outrage when microsoft discontinued the Zune. There wasn't mass outrage when EA abandoned the battlefield BR. People look at this as any rational person should like "Whelp nobody's buying it. What are they gonna do? Just dump a ton of money into a product nobody wants?" Then we have contractors showdown and it's like the entire VR community demands this tiny team fall on their sword to continue burning cash in a fire to keep a game nobody is playing running. They appear to have miscalculated the timing of releasing a battle royale as nobody really plays or talks about them outside of fortnite that I see and the VR player base is tiny enough. The game was a flop, they apparently did a pretty good job with it but people didn't want it. It makes ZERO sense to continue to support it. What they want to do however is make games, they're probably reusing tons of systems and assets from their BR to make this extraction shooter and good for them. I hope this one is a success. As somebody who was in a tiny indie two man team that made stuff that became the foundation of some of the better vr games out there, covid put us out of business and we simply could not support support our products anymore. We have rent, we have families. it's INCREDIBLY hard. In a perfect world i'd have loved to have supported our products forever but you can't dev when you're homeless lol.

[@jakeypants_YT]

100 percent agree. I do want to make sure I reflect everyone’s disappointment, but at the same time you are right. Why continue with something people aren’t interested in when you could make something people might actually be interested in.

[@jake62265]

Feels like im getting patches etc every couple days for contractors. Im loving it. They added a new sprinting feature

[@jakeypants_YT]

it looks really nice!

[@matKilla9801]

I bet thy release right after the alpha ends. They probably originally intended to release then, which explains why they'd extend the alpha until the release.

[@itsthatbeardedgamecatsaje8635]

I agree . I do expect it to release immediately and then both modes can be live. Then we'll see a "season" in the wings of the release.

[@zerocool.666]

Tabor timmys seething watching this

[@jakeypants_YT]

@@zerocool.666 the meat riders lmao

[@LLL_TITAN]

I have the Independence DLC of Ghosts of Tabor, which means I get every DLC for free from now and forever. So, I get every DLC for literally $0, and I personally think that the new DLCs suck and shouldn't have had any time put into them. I can't imagine the people who spent like $10 for a revolver and a cowboy hat. The Clint Eastwood DLC was heavily hyped, for a good reason as well, 3 new styles of weapons all coming with new motions and feels for them. And yet even for no cost, I wish they never even thought of the idea.

[@01SHADOW]

Vail is sitting in the shadows rubbing its hands together😂😂😂

[@SeanoldBeasley]

There’s no way vail will touch exfil zone

[@jakeypants_YT]

YESSSSS

[@zerocool.666]

vail the game with 31 players?

[@aextropical]

@@zerocool.666over 300k players soo yeah brush up ⬆️

[@aextropical]

@@SeanoldBeasley 😏 never say never

[@theoneoverseeraotoariseoft6549]

out for our dollar sounds about right as it is basically 7 or 8 dollars to purchase a dlc which basically has 2 variants of a shotgun, a lever action, a hat, and a pistol, but the shotgun i will focus on as it is two sawed off versions which instead of just making these customisations for the base game weapon just made them weapons for the dlc, like I don't see Tarkov locking changing the barrel of a shotgun behind a paywall nor that of any extraction shooter. its greatly disappointing.

[@jakeypants_YT]

Yeah I agree. I think they are diluting the experience and it will only hurt them in the long run if they continue down this path.

[@theoneoverseeraotoariseoft6549]

@jakeypants_YT 100% agree

[@Endlessnutella1]

also tabor is learning from tarkov, the DLC unlike tarkov are not really p2w and cost very little and this gives them funds to create more content however it feels as if there are 10 people working rather than 40. Every update is a new map and not what is actually important like movement, gun play and flea market/ armor/ health system that are crucial

[@labrat2000]

we aren't even getting a flea market anymore, it got scraped. they said it was too complex. my problem with that situation is we got promised the flea market then it got scraped silently. it feels like this big feature got pushed under the rug.

[@Endlessnutella1]

@@labrat2000 ye flea market would be difficult but still other features are very muxh possible and easy

[@samkedwards2032]

@@labrat2000 flea market wasn't scrapped, they even put out a statement, but didn't give any indication as to when tbf. It's still extremely aggravating as this was even in the pre-release roadmap for the first year of the game. They also still haven't fixed the IK or added player leaning, not to mention the absurd amount of loot losing bugs.

[@MarblaGarb]

growth is not the answer when a studio is dwindling. I see that suggested way too often. Unless a studio receives a LARGE injection of cash, growing is NOT the answer.

[@MarblaGarb]

It's not "oh more people = faster updates" in game development, it can take months to train a new hire to match the exact workflow and quality set by the rest of the team they've joined. Growing, while a studio is behind, will take more time and resources AWAY from development of the game temporarily. It doesn't and never will immediately speed up development and it seems like most folks don't think about or understand that..

[@TacIsRat]

exactly, it takes longer to turn a bigger ship

[@Endlessnutella1]

both are good but the thing is i also don't understand where the money is going in tabor, larger dev team but almost less content than exfil zone

[@iSeeEZEkill]

Almost less? Try bare bones when compared.

[@zoogagaming5950]

I don't really like either studio very much, although im not very educated on them. But jesus the amount of coping and defending tabor in their discord is crazy, I go in and the first message I see is "Why is tabor getting so much hate by all the Timmy’s going to contractors" And "Tabor will always be better", I gave my opinion and people instantly started defending it getting angry, although me and someone I was speaking to ended up chilling out and we just started talking abt unity.

[@Blujustice]

Actually good topic, and points. Good video bro!

[@jakeypants_YT]

@@Blujustice appreciate that 🙏🏻

[@alex_316]

I tried Exfil and I have mixed feelings. I don't like that you have to hit the scav a lot to kill even with decent gun, which is a bit unrealistic. But I liked how easy is to operate there with attachments and stuff, tabor is clunky and you can spend a lot of time just to attach the module to vest. I think both are cool in their own way

[@Meow-tp2oc]

It's not unrealistic at all. Plate armor (which they use) can take a LOT of punishments from low-pen rounds like the ones from early-game. You could have a terrible gun with good ammo and an amazing gun with bad ammo, but the terrible gun will always win

[@TacIsRat]

@@Meow-tp2oc im sorry but soft armor isnt going to do shit against an AKM. Scavs take way too many rounds rn

[@Monkey-dripy]

Have you try to take a look and see they are wearing amor and you can take it off is it is real and that and they don take a lot they take one to the head and in reality human and take a lot of round to the gut and lags and arms so can you stop complaining that it not like you wonderland and face the facts man

[@alex_316]

@@Monkey-dripy I am hitting not only plates but also other parts of scav body, I see blood animation, but they continue standing as if nothing happens. I don't like that they don't move at all, standing in one place. It is my feedback, you can like it or not, and you can have your own opinion

[@MidnightHitmen]

Caveman hasn’t abandoned their other 2 games they just updated contractors and a new season on showdown as well as this alpha

[@jakeypants_YT]

I am here to reflect the thoughts of how we feel as consumers. The sentiment is that the games are lost to the wind now.

[@MidnightHitmen]

@ I am willing to accept that possibility lol

[@shavenmonkiee]

The player count dropped on showdown when they showed us they were not interested in listening to its players. Refused to address bugs and left us hanging with any updates

[@b.s.7693]

Tabor just did the tarkov move.

[@zerocool.666]

tabor is such dogshit defended by actual children LOL

[@phatpac5]

At least FF gets PvE

[@b.s.7693]

@phatpac5 fast forward?!

[@phatpac5]

@@b.s.7693 founding fathers

[@PearlpleVT]

My biggest problem with Tabor was always how slow they are with updates and that each updates came with game breaking bugs that made the game frustrating, Since beta I only really played a single wipe (end of 2023) the rest of the time I wwould just come to check how it is, expereince a game breaking bug like dissapearing backpacks, stuff not extracting with you etc and alt f4. CWS really needs to do something about their game because the development is slow, the content poor, and even tho I have the FF edition fuck dude these dlc's sucks, skins are okay but locking weapons behind a paywall in an extraction shooter is unfair and awful. And they just announced a PvE dlc lmao. So far what I've seen for the ExfilZone is straight up what I wanted in Tabor that we still don't have and may never have. Great health system, QoL are awesome, and progression seems Tarkov like which I want! I love Contractors Showdown mechanics and I can't wait to get my hands on ExfilZone

[@jakeypants_YT]

All good points here and I am happy that I can speak to people that feel this frustration. As consumers we deserve the things you expect right here. Regular updates with good working content. So far tabor is a lie being that is promised a tarkov in VR

[@LedurGtag]

It sucks that now there’s a watermark on capcut

[@jakeypants_YT]

I know right. What bums

[@LedurGtag]

@@jakeypants_YT I think you can put it off a few times before you need to pay

[@sparky_2826]

Bro VAIL vr gonna SMASH the market once it releases its extraction mode!

[@Rocketgamess]

fuck no.....

[@zerocool.666]

nobody plays that little bro. you were marketed to by youtubers lmao

[@aextropical]

@@zerocool.666you don’t know how to google. 300k monthly’s and we’re cooking up an extraction mode that will at the very least be different than both of the tarkov rips.

[@zerocool.666]

@ “we’re” bro thinks he’s on the dev team LOL that game is dead bro you and shillseeker should get a room

[@zerocool.666]

@ 300 thousand players is impossible for that game bro what kind of copium are you huffing little brother 🤣

[@MAXGILMAN-u1u]

How do you play it i have showdown but I don't know how to play

[@jakeypants_YT]

Check Showdown discord for info

[@MAXGILMAN-u1u]

@jakeypants_YT thanks

[@TrickyIsSpecial]

The reason showdown is doing bad is because they released the season 1 update knowing it had a lot of bugs and was not ready to go live. Everyone beta testing s1 told the devs to not release it. And now its insanely buggy and the servers are very laggy due to the vehicles which we also said not to put in the game.

[@samkedwards2032]

Yeah, i also have a sneaking suspicion they were cooking exfilzone in the dark, but at least they've given an update and apologized for the wait rather than screaming skill issue at the fans

[@TrickyIsSpecial]

@samkedwards2032 we knew they were working on it since showdown alpha days. I won't give the devs any credit until I see them fix showdown.

[@KhaziirEverflight]

honestly, one thing i really REALLy dislike about exfil zone already is that the alpha is meta only... I don'T even own a meta device, so i'm shit outa luck and can't even take part in this alpha... I don't get why either. they do let meta pcvr players join in, so why not steam pcvr aswell?

[@jakeypants_YT]

I totally understand the frustration. I am hoping this will be out in open beta soon and they’ve been pretty good with steam releases. So hopefully soon

[@FlamezStudioYT]

I’m starting to think I’m not the biggest tabor hater.. 😂

[@jakeypants_YT]

@FlamezGamesYT I love tabor.

[@SUGG29]

I can’t get exfil zone because the player count for the alpha exceeded the limit I’m pissed

[@jakeypants_YT]

try now. they did an update. maybe the increased server compacity

[@kled_v]

4:49 my man is out for BLOOD

[@01SHADOW]

The one problem I actually have with both of these game titles is them using the unreal engine it's so hard to see people because they blend in with the environment too well. Like I'm so used to checking my surroundings and I looked right at a scav and didn't realize I actually seen one. However I'm glad they have the right I aiming enabled that works so good 4 VR games especially when someone shoots with both eyes open

[@zyplaysgamesreal]

Thats how military attire works? Thats actually just how it is dawg

[@01SHADOW]

@@zyplaysgamesreal well thats not the problem I understand that bug the graphics itself is the issue they can be standing with a redshirt and blue jeans on and its still hard af to see them. Mainly because the textures are to much the same imo same goes for tabor but in other games people can hide but being hard to see in the open is more my issue.

[@zyplaysgamesreal]

@@01SHADOW Thats a you problem buddy

[@01SHADOW]

@@zyplaysgamesreal no thats a game engine problem along with settings because a large majority of the graphix settings simply do not work lol. Tabor anti-aliasing does next to nothing. It wouldnt be much of a problem with these games if the 360/Vertical sound was actually accurate but I guess we will see in due time

[@01SHADOW]

@@zyplaysgamesreal in short they both need a optimization pass is what I was basically saying.

[@cercata]

CWS are 50 people but they are doing 3 games, cats, streamer chars, UwU DLCs ...

[@thatgoofyvrguy]

And tabor still sucks

[@Classicjackgaming]

Dude… they are making 3 different games. Why don’t you just like both things?

[@jakeypants_YT]

I do like both games.

[@Classicjackgaming]

@@jakeypants_YT Could have fooled me… food for thought, try not to shit on things just because you found something else you like temporarily.

[@jakeypants_YT]

@@Classicjackgaming simp

[@aarongarcia2911]

What everyone needs to also think about is how they are the first to do what theyre doing. There wasnt an outline showing them how everything should be done. Tabor had to figure it all out. Showdown impressively did too. Just like fortnite was in shambles when it started, so are these. But if there becomes a big enough following then they could afford to do more. Just have patience and enjoy what we have. Eventually the VR space will catch up and be able to get all the good sruff flat screen has.

[@gokublack167]

2:53 lol no one on the dev team ever talks, Scott says it cuz he doesn’t give af but never has a dev said skill issue.

[@FlamezStudioYT]

Scott is a manchild, (MOST) of the dev team is just doing their job, Scott, Viewie, and the discord mods are the toxic ones.

[@gokublack167]

@FlamezGamesYT viewie isn’t toxic either 😂

[@N0idea76]

@@gokublack167 Even if not how you cant defend your opinion because it is true that scott and dm are toxic

[@FlamezStudioYT]

@@gokublack167 smh

[@jakeypants_YT]

yes... yes they have. what are you talking about?

[@ChipKaffmen]

Scott was talkin trash about Lon from Caveman.. also Showdown isn't abandoned exfil is just another game mode for Showdown..

[@TacIsRat]

they mostly have abandoned showdown. Cheaters run rampant and the player count is low

[@GodOfMetal66666]

Showdown was a joke, but now it seems like a total reboot, hard to imagine what happened to them...and I believe GoT is still safe coz afaik Showdown is still lacking of good maps and exclusive content

[@Mr.Turtlessss]

Go forth king, pop off

[@aextropical]

❤❤❤

[@jakeypants_YT]

@@aextropical ❤️u more

[@lolpl0000]

Tabor devs are led by a „DUDE WEED BRO LMAO! JUST CHILLLLL BROO!” CEO while contractor devs are actually talented devs.

[@alexmiu4070]

Why would you say that?

[@lolpl0000]

@@alexmiu4070 oh you poor sweet summer child you dont know anything about scott do you?

[@MawakanUPK]

They need to bring psvr cross play, and make it free on quest only

[@rydertomniuk9348]

Horrible take Timmy

[@kingdtb6750]

Perfect video

[@jakeypants_YT]

perfect viewer 🙏

[@thebear2950]

Tabor just needs time

[@jakeypants_YT]

I think so.

[@Monkey-dripy]

It had time about 2 years man

[@kyleyonut4572]

It needs to be shut down

[@Mr.Monkey181]

finally some points at how much a bull shit company combatwaffle is

[@Epstein442]

See people saying this is way better than tabor but the difference between tabor and exfilzone is that tabor has to be made from scratch while contractors already had a stable software, good gunplay, good game engine, all they did was build off that to make exfilzone In my opinion I think when tabor actually wipes and starts fixing shit and bringing new content without fucking shit up, exfilzone is gonna die out quicker than showdown I will say I think cws is majorly out of touch with what their player base wants they need to snap back to reality and stop making fucking 15$ PvE dlcs

[@jakeypants_YT]

Honestly best take I have seen in this entire situation. Why should be believe this game is gunna kill anything with its track record. And the rest of what you said is 100%

[@Epstein442]

@ thanks man, keep up with the good content, I like watching your vids

[@jakeypants_YT]

@Epstein142 yeah of course! Appreciate that

[@MrMello630]

Caveman Studios is extremely bigger than combat waffle Studios 2:29

[@MrMello630]

Combat waffle does have a lot of excuses But that doesn’t mean you can call them out for something that isn’t even True

[@jakeypants_YT]

no they aren't. This isn't a secret. Who told you Caveman Studios is so big?

[@jakeypants_YT]

I have never said anything untrue in my life. I know the facts unlike you

[@catinacan1305]

@@jakeypants_YT whats with the attidude lmao

[@jakeypants_YT]

@@catinacan1305 dealing with idiots will do that.

[@NovaZq]

💯

[@Abraham-Lincoln-honest]

Wow

[@4WeAreTheRelentless]

Facts

[@jakeypants_YT]

yes sir!

[@Alix943]

You really think CWS has 45 employees working on Tabor alone. You are so ill informed it’s embarrassing! You even later in the video say “Ghosts of Tabors 15 employees” you can’t even fact check yourself 😂

[@jakeypants_YT]

I have a lot of respect for you ❤ Thanks for looking into that for me

[@Alecario1414]

Out here telling the truth once more W jake

[@indeximastudios7192]

Bro has something against tabor😭 you didn’t mention their upcoming BIGGEST content update coming out THIS month

[@FilthyCasualVR]

@indeximastudios7192 who cares if the user experience is awful? Gun handling alone is 100 x better and more polished. Especially sniping.

[@jakeypants_YT]

I do ALL the time. I miss it in ONE video and it's like "ohhh fucking guy is glazing" get lost bro

[@Spoingus_BarnApple]

The one that is almost entirely DLC?

[@indeximastudios7192]

@@jakeypants_YTI never meant it like that😔🫡

[@indeximastudios7192]

@Spoingus_BarnApple as more shorts came out. Yes, I 100% agree

[@JoshyyV2]

😂

[@jakeypants_YT]

@@JoshyyV2 still love you bro. 😘

[@regular_ed6802]

Can someone explain the talking smack part thats the first im hearing this and intrigued on what these self righteous douches said.