ExMormons React to Secret Lives of Mormon Wives (ft.

[@danieIIemydear]

As a former catholic that b roll was definitely a catholic church. My only guess is that the Mormon churches wouldn't let the crew come in to film and hulu figured no one would know the difference.

[@GracefullyAutistic]

That's a good theory. My personal theory is that they filmed Catholic churches for that 'beautiful peaceful church aesthetic', because if you've been inside a typical Mormon ward (aka the 'normal' Mormon churches where they go every Sunday), they're very drab and boring in all honesty. One Mormon friend told me that that's because they don't believe in vanity, that it's vain and shallow to make God's house all pretty and fancy with stained glass windows or whatever. Which is rich considering all the Mormon temples (which I've never seen the inside of, but the outside is gorgeous enough!) that they have! XD

[@playinglifeoneasy9226]

Eternally pregnant?? That sounds horrible!!

[@sherylrobbins4660]

Yes! Got pregnant before getting married. My bishop told me the only reason I wasn't getting excommunicated was because we we had a wedding date. I was 7 months pregnant getting married in the church gym. We had no money at the time. And now I wish we would have waited. But when EVERYONE is pressuring you to get married it is no joke. The only people that said to wait was my aunt and my husband's sister they are both nonmembers. It's so disappointing because we don't really have professional pictures. Every time I think about it, it upsets me.

[@kimberlypainter5169]

I was a California Mormon. I'm kinda glad I didn't grow up a Utah Mormon, seems intense!

[@ZanneReid27]

Same

[@Nonameforyoudangit]

Lori Vallow grew up in California...

[@TheMotherofBaggins]

Soft swinging is a ballsy move when you’re the group that brought us soaking

[@saradiciesare4961]

I always thought that was the Amish. It was the Mormons?

[@TheMotherofBaggins]

@@saradiciesare4961 I’ve only ever heard of it from the Mormons, but I also live in Idaho and am super surrounded by them. So it’s possible you could be right!

[@NikkiLovesYouLotsx]

Is getting married for Mormons the same as in Sister Wives? As in it’s not “til death do us part” you stay married in the afterlife and for eternity?

[@AlisonKenzoland]

☠️🤭

[@marydlutes1792]

This whole Mormon sex thing is bizarre.

[@alisonhawke1813]

I grew up Canadian Mormon, and although slightly not as intense as Utah, still holds a lot of Mormon culture. Especially in the prairie provinces. I love listening to you guys because I feel validated. I was equally confused as to whether these Mormon wives were actually Mormon wives. Where I grew up, rules were never relaxed, so the show completely shocked me 😂. It’s amazing how one religion that is “the same everywhere” can be lived so different everywhere 😮. Just adds so much confusion. And I definitely related to the silent pressure to be pretty. It’s so true. I also laughed at all the crosses. My dad’s Catholic, and my mom ( who converted to Mormonism) hated his crosses 😂 On a more serious note, I am seriously concerned about the mental health of all children involved with this show. One of the pitfalls of the Mormon purity culture, is intimate partner abuse. So many women are pressured silently and/or explicitly to stay in unhealthy marriages. 😢 I know because I myself am a survivor. 💪

[@deedee2284]

Fellow Canadian here, you should do an interview, I would love to here a story from here.

[@katrianem2124]

Yikes double whammy of must stay married at all costs 😢

[@RaenneCloud]

I really wanted you guys to cover this. So glad you guys are

[@kimberlypainter5169]

Hey ladies! I have a question. I came to my "awakening" when Heather Daybell spoke on a podcast about her experience and research, it's like I couldn't not start digging and then I couldn't stop. And then I declared I wanted out. But I haven't done anything. The heartbreak is much more intense than I imagined. And the feeling completely lost and trying so hard to break my thinking and find a new belief. But I'm so confused. When does clarity come? And confidence? If you're able to respond that would be awesome, if not totally understand. You ladies are BUSY, and have got me hooked on finishing this series.

[@CultstoConsciousness]

The research stage is the most intense. Usually when the biggest feelings of betrayal are present. I found clarity when I could safely say to myself that it’s all made up and there are no real consequences to not believing anymore. That’s where freedom comes. After the release of fear. Sending my best to you and your journey❤️

[@AZensibleOption]

And omg the blue coats?!? Who else immediately thought of the commander’s wives in Handmaid’s Tale??? According to a couple of online fandoms “The wives of the Commanders wear blue, which is a royal color, symbolizing the high status of the wives,” “Blue is often associated with the Virgin Mary and purity and serenity - it used to be considered a very feminine colour, so perhaps that is why the Wives wear it.”

[@renee8833]

Need y’all on Mormon stories to talk about an episode!! Loved both your reactions ❤

[@RASECROD]

Many years ago I was a ward missionary and the missionaries told me that in Draper and Saratoga Springs that they had a lot of issues with members swinging and swapping wives. It was pretty funny to hear their take on it.

[@summerspicer6153]

How have they not been excommunicated yet? Married to a former Mormon , and they have such strict rules of expected behavior. Especially for married women.

[@valerienelson3296]

They have figured out all the loopholes, Kratom, laughing gas, soda with caffeine & swinging. You are breaking the rules. How about just get rid of the rules instead of looking down on others that use substances Exact substances that the church has condemned.

[@Lock484]

Don't forget the poop hole loop hole 👁️👄👁️ 😂😂😂

[@daniellewillis2767]

@@Lock484 Irish birth control..

[@artaa5663]

I watched the show. The amount of soda they drink it’s insane.

[@cabrown308]

Rules are essential to patriarchal control

[@music54186]

Started watching the TV show yesterday and I am shook! What a wild ride, can't wait to hear more from ya'll on the topic ❤

[@MidwestDarlings]

I just finished watching this series. It felt like a The Real Housewife spin off. So much drama.

[@jessimeilahn34]

Was waiting for this!!!

[@robertestroozasjr.2399]

I love your podcasts and I’ve learned so much. With that being said, this podcast was FUN-a lot of fun! Thank you!

[@CultstoConsciousness]

Haha so glad! Not the direction I thought your comment was going initially 😮‍💨😂

[@hollyhobgoblin8838]

Seeing commercials for this show, it seemed to me like it was covering topics that should be covered and that more people should be aware of, but it looked like they were going about it with the worst, trashiest approach possible. From what you guys have said, it seems like my instincts were correct lol.

[@seppyq3672]

Yup. It's just trashy tv like any real housewifes. 😂

[@ConnyWithA_Y]

As a lifetime California Mormon, we heard about the Utah Mormon swinging subculture all the way back in the 90s and early 2000s...I was always kind of jelly lol

[@onti__veros]

43:30 OMG the naps during the day, I don't wake up thinking about what happens when we die, but I DO definitely get this really weird awful anxiety/dread afterwards, especially if the nap starts with daylight and ends when it's dark out/sunset lolll

[@saraaranel]

Can somebody explain to me how having a tattoo is forbidden coz body is not supposed to be modified but plastic surgeries are somehow completely fine?

[@Lock484]

Amanda giving some love to Oscar is the moat beautiful beginning to these episodes so far 🤗😍😂😂

[@coldhibiscustea]

He's just soaking it up too, I think he would stay in her arms forever if he could

[@Garybob-e9q]

He is a Lucky Dawg, for Sure!​@@coldhibiscustea

[@kimmygrey]

Grew up in Utah County, was forced to go to the LDS church until I was about 14 (fiercely bullied and tormented until I left) and this show was crazy! Could not stop watching..Utah/Utah County LDS people and culture is such a bubble

[@LorryHill]

Las Vegas is FULL of LDS (Mormons) I moved here for high school and this is where I was first introduced to them and basically grew up with them (I never converted but did attend church throughout high school) I wonder what part you were in that they weren’t familiar with LDS?

[@mzshastalibra4705]

I learned more about LDS than I ever have with in the first 10 minutes of this video. Just from hearing the things that you both noticed when giving context for the upcoming reactions.

[@NekolatheDruid]

I would love a whole series about this show with Shelise and Amanda but also I'm very interested in the other guests!

[@neraknawoc7709]

The title scenes when the wives are all wearing the blue coats! How has no one mentioned the Handmaids tale connection? Clearly they were put in these coats to make the point of them being wives and above/superior to others

[@KayLeeHoward-vc2ph]

The way the weenie dog looks in both of ur faces at u is pure love lol

[@BG-ig6fd]

Omg, Oscar is adorable! Such a handsome and zen boy. So calm ❤️

[@laurabentzinger200]

So they're rationalizing being unfaithful? Is that right?

[@katwitanruna]

Break the silence. Break the cycle.

[@TheNurseWhoLovedMe89]

Oh man, I have questions lol. Can I just confirm that I’m understanding this… If you’re hypothetically married to a guy and he starts drinking alcohol or coffee or whatever… Could you ask your Bishop for a divorce so you could get married a second time to a different more strict Mormon guy, so that you both go to the celestial kingdom? Or would you try to get your current husband to become strict again, but if he doesn’t then too bad for you? 🤔 Thanks guys, I love your combined episodes 💖✨🥰

[@CultstoConsciousness]

The bishop would first ask your husband to change and repent. If the wife felt serious enough about it, she might divorce him but she would have to get her temple sealing canceled by the high authorities (which is an approval process) before she could be sealed to a different man. Her ex however, could be sealed to more than one woman because there is Polygamy is heaven

[@karinland8533]

What is soft swinging?

[@bkm2797]

Hopefully for you Amanda who is worried about the afterlife, there are hundreds if not thousands of Near Death Experiencers who aren’t Mormon, and share their up close and personal stories about crossing over. So sorry they caused you so much worry, sad how religions rule with fear.🕊💕👍

[@PrincessAriel87]

Minute 43 when Amanda says "at least once a week I wake up and I wonder what happens when we die" I have ALWAYS done that in the night ever since I can remember, I am ex Catholic, it never occurred to me that it's religious trauma from all the stories they used to indoctrinate us with every day, it makes perfect sense. It's a relief to know that somebody else experiences this, although of course I'd rather neither of us did. Lots of love xxx

[@umrebelbelle]

awe so cute how much Oscar loves Amanda

[@actingqween]

I feel like, if those garment stories were true then they wouldn't have all of those rules against missionaries participating in dangerous activities.

[@sarahysasaga7136]

I'm obsessed with the show...I binge watched this show within the first day! My best friend is Mormon and I grew up going to church with her cause she hated the people at her church. But I am bahai and was born and raised bahai. ❤

[@caroline-s]

I'm super curious about your parents letting you go.

[@consigliaria4339]

⁠@@caroline-sprobably because she is Bahai - my impression/ experience of people who are Bahai is that it’s super respectful and accepting of other religions, they take “truths” from a variety of religions.

[@sarahysasaga7136]

Omg yes!!! We grew up respecting all religons....and we were told about all faiths and religions to make sure bahai was our choice.....I've been to churches, synagogues,and mosques....

[@daniellewillis2767]

​@sarahysasaga7136 I have never heard of bahai...help a lazy lady out?

[@sarahysasaga7136]

@@daniellewillis2767 Bahá’í beliefs address such essential themes as the oneness of God and religion, the oneness of humanity and freedom from prejudice, the inherent nobility of the human being, the progressive revelation of religious truth, the development of spiritual qualities, the integration of worship and service, the fundamental equality of the sexes, the harmony between religion and science, the centrality of justice to all human endeavours, the importance of education, and the dynamics of the relationships that are to bind together individuals, communities, and institutions as humanity advances towards its collective maturity.

[@tylerboyce6502]

You two make a great collaborative.

[@kathleengarrison1302]

Thank you for this information I just wanted to say that doggie cuddled up to Amanda the whole time. Doggies are healers. I don’t know Amandas story YET but that doggie is healing any trauma with love. That’s just my opinion I hope no one is offended. Thank you Shelise for this podcast. 💜✨💜

[@kimberlypainter5169]

41:11 yes, they are still members. Until they're excommunicated or leave the church, they are still very much members. The heavy hitters don't have to like it.

[@Cult-Free_Ang]

14:03 I was accused of praying wrong because I did not get “their” answer

[@iyearn1993]

Completely unrelated... But... MR. LONGBOTTOM 💀 😂 top tier name lmao

[@bellesinger5075]

So I was baptized in a church with Stain Glass windows in La Grande Oregon. It was sooo special because no other Mormon churches had one.

[@מאירבןלזר]

Thank you for the podcast❤

[@parisienne257]

Imagine the pressure on the whole organization every year at general conferences to come up with revelations 😂

[@katietomlin253]

I love how Oscar Meyer is just chilling in Amanda’s lap. What a good little therapy dog.❤

[@CultstoConsciousness]

He’s the best

[@maegannorris]

It is cracking me up seeing all these people on social media commenting "member here. These women aren't active members or true believers" 😅

[@renee8833]

The “Holes” reference. I lost it 😂

[@eagle-eye29]

Two beautiful amazing women. Your power must freak out your patriarchal overlords. Keep on!

[@DanMosqueda]

I didn’t see their temple garments on the picture of these women in the show’s promo.

[@garzaesther]

It’s so strange to me, as an outsider, that something you wear is so important

[@melodywilliams9124]

Of all the messages God could send to the prophet God chose to dedicate one of those precious messages to titles of the church. Of all the grave things going on with humans he spent time on his displeasure of the name Mormon. Odd.

[@saschamayer4050]

Yeah, you know that old chestnut. He is really concerned about names and marketing.

[@CultstoConsciousness]

Exactly

[@christinabraun5310]

And just a few years ago, they did a whole marketing campaign titled “I am a Mormon” now they’re saying that was of Satan?! This religion is so nonsensical.

[@SatansRoerhat]

The woman who was unfaithful, has made statements, that make it sound like she was r-aped/ it was not consensual. I think she was pretty drunk and couldn't even remember it. She probably blames herself, because they were already swinging and she had feelings for the perpetrator.

[@amylou22snowhite]

Shelise, that TOP! I love it. It reminds me of Travilla for Marilyn Monroe.

[@kim-md1mp]

alyssa grenfell did a video on the show too! i appreciate the multiple viewpoints on the show and i would love for you guys to collab! also, respectfully, your top was distracting😂😂😂😂 but seriously, I LOVE it!!!😍 where did you get it?

[@pacey5980]

Yes to Alyssa Grenfell, and yes to how cute that shirt is!

[@DeweyLovesDuckies]

If you haven’t seen Jury Duty the series, you need to. Soaking (sort-of) is an event in one of the episodes!

[@womenfrom0202]

Last week I watched on YT two serious programs featuring Mormonism. One of them with the writer of the biography of the Republican, Mormon, representative Mitt Romney, who voted for impeaching Trump. They were discussing the reactions of Mormons on the Maga and Trump. The other was “The View” on which those ladies of the TikTok show were on. The first one I reacted that I believe it is weird to see a cult criticizing another cult. The second that it’s weird to promote a cult. Not that I’m anti religious, but keep it to yourself, do not harm anyone physically or mentally and enjoy your believes.

[@tracieg7225]

Watching replay with sound all the way up & it was still hard to hear the discussion of this interesting topic.

[@CultstoConsciousness]

So sorry about that! Had some tech issues right before that we were trying to fix.

[@saschamayer4050]

I hear everything just fine. 🤷‍♂️ Maybe try other headphones or speakers.

[@racheleb4994]

Mikayla got married at 16 not Taylor. But love your take on this

[@ozzietradie6514]

Amanda should photoshop herself into this picture but put her finger up her nose in the same pose. I’d do that. But I love a laugh at my own expense. Haha. Ok so I liked the Mormon wives series. It was really good. As an adult and former member I look back and go “ oh damn girl, you were in a cult”. Hindsight is 20/20. My grandpa was right.

[@laurabentzinger200]

Hi wonderful ladies , puppy long bottom is so happy and contented and so cute.

[@daniellewillis2767]

I love longhaired dachshunds...what a little sweetheart!

[@DellaMcG]

I love Alyssa, looking forward to that!

[@laportera]

These on the documentary were LDS = latter date swingers

[@LifeOfCandice]

I know some Baptist churches have stain glass (especially the older churches) but I don’t think they really depict Jesus in them. Unless it’s up toward the steeple or something. I also think it’s more for looks than anything (adds so much beauty when the sun is coming through the glass) but I’ve heard that stain glass is more common in the catholic and some Lutheran churches. But I honestly have no frame of references.

[@sarahhaakenson5330]

Love you both ❤

[@katietomlin253]

Swinging is not at all normal or healthy for a relationship in my opinion. Whether you are religious or not.

[@cabrown308]

You’d be surprised how many non-Mormons know about Mormon magic underwear

[@kimberlypainter5169]

I'm in love with your doxie!

[@FoggyMuffin]

I'm confused - is the Netflix series the same as the Hulu series?

[@Maria-hq6dh]

Watched an interview w the girls and Jessi and Mikayla are actually ex mormons! You should get them on your show lol

[@CultstoConsciousness]

Hold the phone!!! Lol this is great insight! Thank you!

[@Maria-hq6dh]

@CultstoConsciousness Yes!! I was lowkey shocked at Mikayla haha, but they talk about it in this interview: kzbin.info/www/bejne/Y4nEYnego5t0h6ssi=URqtorvuIxA1UZBF

[@oddcheese6384]

Love your outfits! ❤

[@trembletea]

Amanda Rae, I have that daytime nap existential dread thing! I wake up with a feeling of doom sometimes. I can’t claim any religious or cult trauma, just a midlife crisis over here :)

[@sarahkokura6349]

As a Christian, and views LDS as a cult because it falls out of orthodoxy, this is fascinating. Sexual purity is still important. But no where in the Bible does it say it’s equal to murder. In the old testament it was a blood punishable offence. Yet there was always “loopholes” and not all offences were punished. This is the difference between grace based religion, and works based religion. Orthodox Christianity believes we can be forgiven all sin. Period. LDS has rule after rule to control you. Jesus has harsh words for religious leaders like this. The Pharisees. They enslave the people.

[@66slester]

If a man and woman who are sealed to each other and file for divorce the woman gets a temple cancellation and man gets a clearance to marry another woman. So if the first wife re-marries in the temple and breaks her sealing then the man is no longer sealed to 2 women

[@dorothyzimmers206]

Cult's to consciousness i soooo want to be on your podcast!!

[@harlee9595]

you forgot about the t-rextrial level lmao

[@saschamayer4050]

That's reserved for those who believe in the real messiah - Tyrannosaurus Rex in all his glorious hugeness and his arm-shortedness. 🦖❤ All hail our grrrrracious saviour! Grrrraaaamen! 🦖❤

[@rebeccacampbell585]

9:03 Pretty sure the stained glass is from the art museum at byu

[@rebeccacampbell585]

I looked it up and yes, but the windows were originally from a Presbyterian church so your point still stands Shalice!

[@gracequalls9770]

17:04 Amandas face 😂

[@portlandmary]

I live in Portland and I guess I don't know any Mormons. Do you guys stay in a certain area? Like out on I5 where that big temple is?

[@sammygphotography]

I've heard people are more relaxed and less judgemental in other states when Mormon. I feel most of Utah is not that relaxed. I grew up in Clinton, Ut, and still live here, and they are pretty judgemental and strict. I went to church when I was younger but not active. I want my name off the rolls lol. Swinging is actually really big in Utah. I'm not surprised to see that on the show. Also, marriages with porn addiction (2nd episode, i think) are huge (I see it in my line of work). I found a lot of the stuff in the show like crosses, etc. was not a true representation of the church, haha....weird they mixed that in with mormonism. Everyone here has botox in their face and is addicted to soda...yes that's 100% accurate 😂.

[@CultstoConsciousness]

I guess it really depends on the area! Thanks for sharing!

[@daniellewillis2767]

What if a woman had a prophetic vision?

[@saschamayer4050]

As if God would give a holy vision to a mere woman! That would be preposterous! No, just kidding. 😄

[@Garybob-e9q]

😮😮😮😮

[@christinabraun5310]

According to my Mormon mom women have more power than men ( not true) she says the women’s power is so incredibly sacred that it isn’t spoken about in order to protect the women from Satan. My mom also claims to have visions and use the power of the priesthood to cast demons away… when I tell her that what she is saying isn’t corroborated by the church she reverts back to the whole secrecy and sacred ness bullshit. 🤷🏻‍♀️

[@saschamayer4050]

@@christinabraun5310 What? 😅

[@xochitlkitty]

@18:07- they should just call it polygamy 🙃

[@fugician421]

It’s hard for me to believe that in 2024 people still follow this nonsensical religion!

[@elizabethornelas6367]

I need to know what you all think about Zac and Jen!

[@ajensen366]

Curious if anyone else thinks the Mormon church has a hand in this Hulu show… Covert missionary work… And possibly the girls don't even know that that's what they're doing And they'll never excommunicate six and seven figure tithe paying members no matter what they do... but rather ride the coattails and collect new members by of their influence

[@christinabraun5310]

Nailed it. The church made 2k off of Whitney’s sex toy promo 😂

[@lisajackson9431]

I was hoping you would talk about this show! 🥳

[@kimbobber6849]

Volume is low

[@pinkwakabeagle]

I wonder if the people who leave any religion are the people who took it seriously and played by the book. Basically, they are very obedient and docile people, and then they get burned out from the inability to check off all the boxes because it is unnatural to follow so many rules. And the second train of thought, I wonder if the people who stay are the people who break the rules of the law. People who are okay with being naughty or disobedient in a very discrete way, and that's why they stay.

[@CultstoConsciousness]

There is a lot of merit to this backed by research. Usually the ones who leave are the ones who did the most research and broke under the pressure and shame to be perfect. The ones who happily stay don’t tend to internalize the doctrine, aren’t as serious about the rules and/or don’t care about the shortcomings, problematic history or truth claims the religion makes.

[@rachelsuchla2408]

I’m a mormon Latter Day Saint and I love my church. It brings me closer to Christ and I love him and want to be like him. There are people in all religions who choose to live differently than they are taught in their church. There are many wonderful people of all religions. My experience in church has not been like portrayed on this KZbin channel.😊

[@BunnyWatson-k1w]

They are not allowed to swing. That will get you kicked out of the LDS church.

[@CultstoConsciousness]

That’s what we are waiting to find out. How long before it happens

[@KayLeeHoward-vc2ph]

I don’t get it lol how is having 20 under aged wives ok but swinging is insane?

[@kristinmaguireDeadhead65]

" Loopholes? " Hmm. Sounds like garden variety hypocrisy.

[@CultstoConsciousness]

They perceive them as loopholes but they aren’t

[@DennisD-yv4ys]

I'm like a curious cat! How widespread was this problem

[@marip0sa3833]

You both look so beautiful! Love to see you two together

[@emptynesters2520]

Ok Girls! Get ready because when Oaks takes over, it’s alllll gonna change! He sent out a “Repentance and Church Membership Councils” training to all the Bishops/SP’s to start having the disciplinary counsels again! Gen Z’s are about to see what it’s like living under the rule of a strict leader again. Gettin the🍿ready!

[@CultstoConsciousness]

Aayyyyy! Lol I don’t envy people who are about to feel the crack down

[@sleepwalkingj]

i love you two inspiring soulwarming strong queens

[@renee8833]

name a better duo…I’ll wait

[@kandisher3258]

Follow Christ, not man. Live for God, not religion. If we are Christ followers, we have a relationship with God, not to please man and make sure we don't embarras them.

[@sarahbatoff8569]

For some reason the LDS keeps coming up and advertising on my reels 😂 think the algorithm is a bit off

[@JustBrii]

Soooo there was rumors going around that bonnie, ellie, and julie famous family vlogers that are mormon swung. I was skeptical but I believe it 100%