EXPENSIVE TCR VS CHEAP TCR - GIANT BIKES

[@pablozuma1200]

Those who buy the expensive one can't be bothered watching these kind of videos. For the rest of us mortals it's good fun though. Love your accurate superimpose. Cheers.

[@MBdrummer3288]

Sir, I love how your brain works. Your videos are brilliant and and I love the funny bits too.

[@aaawwweeee]

I've switched from 2015 Specialized Tarmac sport to 2018 Giant TCR advanced 2 (the exact same model shown on your video) and first i gotta say i love them both. but i felt more race oriented feel on the TCR. it's stiffness and responsiveness is just stunning while the Tarmac gave me more stable and refined riding. i didn't like the shape of stock saddle and handlebar on the TCR, but it's just personal preference and most people change them anyway. overall the TCR is the best race bike i've ridden.

[@bikotic]

Thats cool - I ride an SL4 Tarmac, always wondered if the TCR would feel different.

[@livininchains4788]

It's because TCRs are the best.😁👌

[@jimbojonesporfavor]

Noticed your comment and looking at doing exactly the same! Have a sl4 tarmac sport (entry-level) and was looking at upgrading to disc model, and the tcr 1 disc gives so much better equipment level compared to Specialized for similar money. How did you find the change? Did you go smaller frame on the tcr as the reach is so long? Is it as comfortable as the tarmac? Thank you!

[@wazirtan6801]

@@livininchains4788 me rode so many brand,agreed giant tcr is one of best engineered but they also so many goodbike in taiwan too

[@25liveforever]

Ive got the TCR 2 and it really is a fantastic bike. I've used it on rides of 100 miles, grit racing and hill climbing and it performs well across the board. Upgrade the wheels though 👌🏻 I've got mavic cosmics and they've done the trick

[@chefdeparty]

I have a TCR Advance 2 Disc. I upgraded the jockey wheels and fitted 46/30 absolute black oval chainrings on it. Its an absolute beast of a ride now. You can keep the posh one. My wee bit of rough would eat her alive. 😄😄😄

[@123phobia123]

most average joe's can get those fancy carbon part weight saving just by losing some weight. I always say, you should only consider reducing weight thrue the bike, when you are in a perfect shape with the most optimal body fat %

[@raulfernandezperez73]

hahaha best part of the video its u comparing the prices with a car jajaja, cant stop laughting ! u got my sub!

[@SmilefitCoUk]

My brand new 2017 tcr adv 2 cost 979! Shame about the bb and freewheel but I can certainly afford to upgrade loads. Win. Great vid, I laughed out load a lot.

[@Arthurbarau]

Mine is cheaper than the cheap one: 2017 TCR Advanced 3. All the same as the cheap one in the video, but with Tiagra. I would gladly have paid 150€ more for the 105 version (Advanced 2), but I liked the color scheme on the Advance 3 much (Matt black, grey and fluo green) better, so I went with it. Definantely best bang for my buck I could ever find. I am indeed looking to upgrade to 105 now, in order to be able to fit a 4iiii power meter (without looking totally bodgy with a 105 left crank arm on a Tiagra crank and full Tiagra groupset :p), but it's ok, because I can keep the Tiagra, as well as the wheels (which I have already upgraded) and be one old Alloy frame away from having a preety decent second bike :)

[@scs6613]

Arthur Araújo i have the same bike as yours. What sort of wheel u been upgraded to? Im still cant decide.

[@leviusx3591]

you forgot about the overdrive 2 on the advanced sl (1 1/4) super stiff stuff (im a big fan of the overdrive 2 on my propel) + carbon stem + carbon handlebar Great video :)

[@livininchains4788]

Don't think he forgot it. Because then he can't say "it's all the same". Yes the Oderdrive 2 is very good

[@65Lynchy]

Got TCR advanced with 105,got it black Friday sale 2016,£899,black,red white,looks great,put rotor crankset 46/30 on better in hills with 28 cassette,can't believe for the average non pro rider there's a better bike,love it!always go long way home lol

[@jamesroyds5069]

This week I bought a 2008 TCR with Ultegra groupset for $100 Aud. Gave it a clean and new chain and it runs super smooth. There are some great bikes out there second hand if you keep an eye out. Yours truely Fat Dave from around the corner.

[@mxs4193]

Hoooooooow did you find an ultegra roadbike for 100???

[@jamesroyds5069]

@@mxs4193 the guy selling it had it sitting in his Shed unridden for a year and decided to sell it. I was sceptical but after some questions I found the seller was legit. I still feel I got super lucky. Still riding to this day and loving it.

[@mxs4193]

@@jamesroyds5069 congratulations! That’s insane luck! Last summer the demand for used bikes was so high that any good listings would get snapped up instantly. I had to set up the app to give me a notification every time a new bike was put on sale. After 3 weeks of this and hundreds of listings I was able to reserve and buy an alloy scott speedster with 105 and rim brakes for 600€ just five minutes after it was put up. The seller also told me that I was the third person to call...

[@jamesroyds5069]

@@mxs4193 Scott have good bikes. 105 is good stuff too. Are you using Strava to track your progress?

[@mxs4193]

@@jamesroyds5069 I’ve just recently started using strava for running and will use it for cycling this summer too. In the last few years I’ve done over 5000km on a bike but not a single workout session :D cycling has only been bikepacking/commuting/hanging out with friends. I plan to actually start training with my bike this summer though. Can’t wait for better weather to do a 1 hour time trial and my first double century!

[@casefarley5744]

Maybe count the Ultegra Di2 as a level, and then the 105 is three levels away from the Dura Ace Di2. The electronic shifting is a big step up.

[@bikotic]

sure, see where your coming from.

[@tomvanovac7975]

Electronic shifting is actually a big step sideways, it is of zero benefit to recreational riders. Let’s face it, how many recreational riders (ie the cycling majority) need anything better than a mechanical Ultegra?

[@edkrassenstein5534]

Good video. I'm buying my first road bike soon and the decision that's hard for me is 105 vs Ultegra. Can't deny the value of some 105 bikes, but the 2018 Ultegra has those way sleeker hoods The TCR and Ultimate's lowest spec option for discs is Ultegra, so that might force my choice. The price difference is significant but so is the braking difference

[@casefarley5744]

Rode the 105 and the ultegra disc groupsets and the new R8020 groupset is far superior to the latest 105. Buy the Ultegra if you can afford it. You will be glad you did. I was shocked how much better the ultegra was. The feel at the lever and the shifting is appreciably better, plus the brakes are easier to bleed.

[@edkrassenstein5534]

Thanks for the advice. Ultegra costs about $1000 more, but you also get carbon rims and discs so the value is there. I always feel like it's a lot of money, then I look at the full range and remember it's still less than 1/4 of the cost of some pro bikes. I can't even get an Ultimate for at least another 2 months so I've got the time to save. Patience with my purchasing now will payoff in the years and thousands of miles in the future

[@casefarley5744]

It is a lot of money. The ultegra 8020 disc groupset is about $1200 right now if you buy it off the shelf, so even if you could get the same frameset with disc at a lower price point and upgrade as the parts wear you would still spend a lot of extra money. Your patience will be rewarded, and if you can swing it then I highly recommend it. Buy the bike that you want to ride, and you will always be happy with it.

[@JonLeeUsa]

Nobody ever got dropped because of 105 kit versus Ultegra.

[@bikotic]

I can vouch for that - but Ultegra feels better.

[@anthhub]

Best bike split would calculate the difference over a set course for you

[@richardchin9457]

2017 TCR SLR 1 for about 1500 usd with full Ultegra running gear and Giant SL1 climbing wheels. Weighed about 7.5kg. Love the matte aluminum color and looking at Swiss side hadron 625 alloy carbon wheels for long flat ride days. With the new wheels, it will still cost less than the tcr advanced disc I was also looking at before I bought this one.

[@mosescortes9176]

I have the advanced 2 and upgraded wheels with some carbons and some other things but it way worth upgrading the advanced 2 ...the bike really come to it's own...I love it

[@smallnuts2]

I have a 2018 Giant Tcr Advance Disk KOM with the stock pr2 wheel set. I'm told once I upgrade the wheels I will feel a very big difference because the pr2 wheel set is very heavy.

[@Jacob9200]

My local bikeshop has the 2018 bottom end TCR you show here in my size, probably going to buy it. I'm saving like $350 on the "new" price for it, so its quite cheap for a 105 Carbon 7.9kg bike.

[@richardgreen4062]

All i remember is cycling is one big money making scam. Most average Joe's ain't going to benefit from an 8,000 bike. Might look good at a cafe stop but real world. No difference. Problem is most average Joe's think they are Chris froome or contador when really they fat Dave from round corner. I have Jersey tops from decathlon and dhb cost a packet of crisps and outperform 110 quid castelli Nano particle changes colour when you fart jerseys etc. It's all utter Tosh and if you just enjoy cycling well that's all ya need to do.

[@sygon296]

You're missing out. Just relax, enjoy a little, spent a little. Treat yourself on the finer things in life sometimes. You deserve it!

[@retrolongboarderNZ]

Classic comment! Thaks for making me smile at work. I currently have a 20 year old Specialized Stumpjumper - people look at me like I'm mad! :-). Still has buttery smooth XT changes. I am looking at upgrading this year, and boy do I deserve it. Fat Dave from around the corner - we have plenty of 'Fat Daves' here in NZ. ;-)

[@johnsmythe9449]

Ride for the love of it and forget all the tech, God Love you man.

[@kay19833]

You see folks like Sygon trying to justify spending 5 times the money on some name. They say, it's advanced composite, but, how can you tell? I basically see the same frame but with slightly lighter groupset. A kilo shed on bodyweight is a better bang for your buck than spending 6k pounds extra. I just can't justify it. Look, the lowself esteem in all these fat old balding middleaged IT specialist riding around town is beyong words. And they always want to tell you, something is wrong with yout fit or you're too far behind technologically. A good 105 groupset is more than overkill for an average Joe. If you ain't a pro, you got no business around 8k bikes. It's like driving around in a Porsche GT3 911 and you've never raced or be at the circuit a day in your life.

[@koukimonzta]

Ive got a Pinarello and SKy gears. Im not Froome but I use that to look cooland wink at the girls! Lol

[@ramonsanabria1472]

Excellent review ! Thanks !

[@Defyreactz99]

Missing the point with the expensive bike, someone buys it because they WANT it. sure we would all be fine if we had the lower spec bike but you have to splurge at one point. Im here for a good time not a long time.

[@bikotic]

Haha, like that

[@warkingdread2383]

Gabriel Hamilton well said.

[@livininchains4788]

True. It's the "I spend less money than you idiot" mentality. Some people prefer to buy a 300 bucks brand new 15kg junkbike and are simply proud to get a cheap bike than a good bike.

[@rommelreyes2209]

@@livininchains4788 and then asks the question, which should I UPGRADE?

[@darrylneiltanyag2487]

I got the aluminum TCR SLR with 105 groupset. It's has the best specs for the amount I spent without going into unknown brands.

[@parkercushingable]

Darryl Tanyag same bike I have. Bought used and has been a perfect beginning bike for me.

[@PoetWithPace]

Great comparison, thank you! Was thinking of TCR and seems getting the bottom of range one is a good option. Advanced 3 is lowest, yes?

[@johnsmythe9449]

If i ever want to spend a lot on Giant Bikes, im coming to you, like the way you think. I buy used Giants am now riding a Giant Iguana and Giant Cypress DX both bought used for under $200 USD. I also haul lots of stuff on my commutes so the weight thing isnt an issue.

[@dominickbrookes5103]

Great comparison. Nearly 3 pounds difference. Nice car too.

[@murraywatson5631]

Very cool way of looking at it . Great vid.

[@phxrsx]

Haha I love the overlay.

[@paulysci925]

I got the2018 tcr sl 0 etap disc in Jan 2020 for $2341, technology trickledown is a patience game 😉👍🤙

[@Physicist999]

Advanced sl has Isp that makes bike more comfortable, hey we can ride on cobbles who cares the comfort. BTW, sl version use toray 800 rather than 700 which means less materials are required to reach same stiffness values. That weight drop is not a kilo but most 50 to 100 gram

[@Cilotje]

So... If you do the weight of 105 - D-a = actual weight diff of the frame + wheels. Not sure they had the specs of the wheelset, but like same equation = frame diff. I mean... groupset and wheels can always be upgraded.. but usually you re-use your frame. Would be interesting.

[@dcharmz5915]

If you are up to a good exercise only.. then the cheaper is the better. But if you`re up for racing and plenty of cash then the top notch is suit for you!

[@harrylook7810]

I know if I had the money for the more expensive bike, but I bought the cheap one, I would regret not having the much smoother shifting of Dura Ace, the noticeably lighter frame/group set/wheels, and the power meter. I would indeed end up buying the Zipps (add $2500) and the power meter (add at least $1,000). And still, every time I hit a rough patch of road, I would wonder if the flexy seat post would be much better. But I'm a brat.

[@bikotic]

its a fair point - lucky I don't have the money, so I don't need to worry :)

[@harrylook7810]

I don't have the money either. I have a base level carbon bike with 105, and it has been loads of fun/fitness. Get the best bike you can afford and ride the hell out of it.

[@Cynyr]

I'd probably go for a great aluminum frame, 105 with power meter and be quite happy. It would be a huge step up from my Amazon special 2x7 aluminum bike.

[@pureeschaap]

It depends on your body weight. If you've that amount money, start removing your wallet when biking.

[@jeffcoulter7181]

Great real world review.

[@kenboon1478]

Ultimately it all comes down to the person that is riding the bike! I ride with a group most have £2000 + road bikes mine is a £500 specialized allez I'm 10 stone others 13 + come to long hill climbing I'm the lead out rider .... buying expensive bikes nowdays is just a vanity thing I would go on to say a £1000 is plenty for a casual rider to throw at a road bike

[@TboneTenEighties]

I'll take an aluminum caad12

[@kevinpunter7960]

The real point is that Giant have "nailed it" with the TCR geometry and then they've offered this excellent geometry to a broad range of rider tastes and budgets. A bike's "worth" is specific to the individual. I honestly feel that going on about adding super aero wheels to a TCR is missing the point because the TCR is first and foremost a brilliant climbing bike. If you want to talk aero - do this review based on the Propel. Gram pinching is ultimately why you pay the big bucks for a high spec TCR and 1.5kg is certainly something an elite rider would grab with both hands. Outside of elite riders, people will buy a Rolex or a TAG over a Timex because they can and they like it. To be brutally honest you may as well do a comparison of wheels and group sets and ask the value question (something that's been done many times) ... most of the big brand makes offer a range of levels for a specific model, plus you'll see exotic frames dressed in Ultegra because the rider doesn't see a marginal benefit in going to Dura-Ace. Lastly I doubt anyone goes shopping with $7K in their pocket asking themselves "1xUber_TCR or 5xTCR or (1xTCR+1xMTB) or (1xTCR+Bomb_Car)?" so I personally kinda this this video was a bit of a time waster (for me) :(

[@bikotic]

haha, to be brutally honest reading all that was for me! Thats fine, you can have a opinion, some people like my videos, thats why I make them - watch something else.

[@kc3718]

I built up a 15.5 lbs bike for less than the cost of the lower price tcr...so there's always way if you have the will and not the cash.

[@saynotothegreatreset]

I would get the xheaper bike and upgrade the wheels. That what im gona be doing . Zipp 303 nsw

[@janvl5163]

For kg difference you ll have to convert to newtons. This measurement is about how much force it takes to move 1 kg over one meter during one second. Depending on your speed... The difference between the two bikes comes down to 1.3kg x 50.000 (meters).

[@barisbolat7152]

I will purchase the one I can afford, I wish I could afford a new lightweight frame with dura ace di2. Guys in aluminum sora bikes can pass me as much as they want:):). Those haters are like “my Corolla and your S class are same, both have 4 wheels”

[@darrengarvie8832]

My friend had a Tcr pro 0 and I ride a B'twin triban 5 I can keep up with him and ouy sprint him on the flat but hills I just about hold on to him. Is the top of the range worth it my answer I a big No

[@steeldragons6775]

T'es le meilleur, mec. Je compte prendre le tcr advanced 1 ; )

[@morventay]

Like for the MX 5 reference~

[@kenny347]

bought sl.. cos i prefer slimmer downtube and ISP. why? cos i like it.

[@danielgarrad]

Great video, top bikes are way over priced, 7k for a top bike mental.

[@stepforward9498]

Love that stuff. Very funny

[@alexlencioni545]

Hi good bit of comparing two giant bikes , I have just purchased a tcr giant advanced 3 and payed $1.889.00 it was on special from $2.889.00 iam going from a Avanti Monza that weighs 11.4kg to 8.4kg .the components on new bike are medium range so I have been told for the price I payed it’s pretty good I think, what are you’re thoughts great to hear back feedback, cheers.🚵‍♂️

[@JMZproductions_torio]

the tcr advance SL is way to expensive. I have the TCR advance 2 with the latest 105 eqquiped and carbon wheelset plus all the parts are upgraded it just cost me 2,500 dollars

[@aaron___6014]

I'd go with a lightly used super bike from a few years back and an mtb for the price of the cheap tcr.

[@boshebosh9269]

The cheaper TCR does look great value for money

[@RobBastien]

Great compare!

[@mohammadumair1]

What about the weight and cost difference, can you clarify that please, thanks.

[@peppertalks6948]

Can’t stay fresh on the SL 0, that’s a deal breaker for me

[@clenilma100]

I’m enjoying the bike so far kzbin.infoUgkxMesz3KOGEmwmvyKQfLfrRSUXLFzfVHZA My only real complaints are the brakes and the pedals. I feel like a bike designed for bigger people should have much larger pedals and more heavy duty brakes. I’ve only gotten two really good rides out of it, minimal downhill action, and the brakes feel like they’re already going out. A larger person has more momentum, so I think this wasn’t thought through very well. Also, I wear size 13-14 wide shoes. My feet cramp up on these pedals that are clearly made for smaller feet. Since I’m not a pro rider (and I don’t think many are who purchase this bike) I don’t think that the straps on the pedal are necessary at all. None of this takes away from the enjoyment I get from riding, however. I’ll just head to a bike shop to improve on a few things.

[@thexardas8395]

I bought my Roubaix sora 3 years ago. Got 35% discount in November and no tax. Still works fine and I can sell it in for 800 at anytime. MSRP $1800 vs $8k+ for same geometry bike with Dura Ace. Riders able to utilize in full extend $10k bikes usually get them for free.:) Weekend riders spending 10k on the bike are morons.

[@polykarposviolin]

The cheap one doesn't have a carbon steerer.

[@livininchains4788]

And it hasn't overdrive 2. But he "forgot" to say that because "it's all the same"

[@dickieblench5001]

I have the advanced 1. Alu steerer no overdrive. Good bike but a little heavy and I do wonder if the front would feel better on the SL

[@pureeschaap]

Pretty hard to develop that kind of calculator man... A lot - too much!? - of variables to be considered, and, too many numbers the manufacturer wouldn't publish.

[@TheB1gduk]

bikecalculator.com/

[@Maverick5588]

More videos damn it!!

[@morkeomorkei3540]

Hello! I am in MTB for almost 2 years and I am converting to road bikes....What do you think about Giant Tcr Advanced 2016 model? - Is it good for beginners? - What is the perfect size for 1.78 cm Height? - Can I do packaging with the bike

[@bikotic]

Hi Morkeo - goto bikotic.com/ and you can compare different bikes. The TCR is a race bike and the Cube Attain is an endurance bike. Compare them and you will see there is a fairly big difference - so it depends what you want to do with the bike.

[@morkeomorkei3540]

@@bikotic Ahh I forgot the other option...I have the Tcr at 800 euros , the CUBE at 1700 and the Bianchi intrepida at 1000...what do u think

[@morkeomorkei3540]

@@bikotic Hey thanks for the fast responding! Actually I am between Bianchi Intrepida, this Giant bike and CUBE ATTAIN GTC SL 2021 Model...What's your opinion? 😊

[@morkeomorkei3540]

@@bikotic Hello I want to ask you what bike do you recommend....the Giant Tcr Composite with Fulcrum xero tyres or the Bianchi Interpida

[@Bricklinsv1970]

It boils down to the rider. I have a $400 86 Univega Viva Sport I built up with Shimano Tiagra and I keep up with all those expensive Carbon Fiber bikes 90% of the time.

[@jephreyPR]

You forgot that you get a power meter which the less expensive one is like 1000 dollars.

[@patriciacarlos3662]

Gs is not comparable as we can see a mid range vs high end groupset.it should only the frameset comparisson.

[@greengonzonz]

Lol awesome vid 👍

[@gandydancer8049]

True

[@Not_Sure_]

Do they have this bike with the 10X3 Tiagra groupset ?

[@johnm91326]

i think the value score is pretty flawed, doesnt really take into account the increase in quality of the frame and finishing kit

[@bikotic]

I agree 200% - bike value is completely subjective. So, what is the bike value calc good for? Its good when there is a large range of bikes with different weights and prices, it creates a starting point to work from. Thanks for your comment.

[@johnm91326]

yeah i guess i meant more when comparing bikes bikes at such different prices. When comparing a lot of bikes closer in price the score would make a lot more sense. Either way loving the videos man.

[@pureeschaap]

That calculator is superficial indeed, but better than nothing, and, bikers are number crunchers - denied number crunchers... :)

[@HooxNZ]

tcr, carbon, ultegra level, never look back.

[@livininchains4788]

Yes. It's a joy to ride tcr.

[@krixera78]

Having an expensive bikes is the same as buying a supercar, the buyer may never get to extract the full potential of it but at least he earns all the admiration and jealousy. However, if i lose to a superbike it won't be a shame on me, but if i can win a superbike with a cheaper bike that will be my pride. Story ends, and I'm gonna buy TCR Advance 2 next week to start hunting down those superbike riders.

[@livininchains4788]

For some people the tcr advanced 2 is a superbike.

[@krixera78]

@@livininchains4788 I love my TCR. Advanced 2. Although the look isn't as beautiful as some more expensive bikes but it performs very well. It will be my best companion for years to come. I'm always pushing my bike and myself to a limit as this is what a road bike design used to be

[@livininchains4788]

@@krixera78 yes. I had a few tcr's in my life. I had the tcr alu and tcr advanced sl in size m and m/l. Now I have a giant ocr with less slope. But I look forward for my next bike. Maybe a tcr again, or a cube litening c68 pre 2020 because of the 27.2 mm seat post. I want to ride my super duper comfortable canyon vcls seat post which isn't possible to add it to a tcr.

[@dioright]

I was surprised that cheap full carbon tcr weights 8 kg.. Why its so heavy? Like aluminium one...

[@4791_]

It's because ot the wheels, saddle, handle bar and the chain. Also perhaps it's size medium. My TCR 2019 is 6.8kg. Replaced the wheels, saddle, handle bar and chain.

[@dickieblench5001]

Alu steerer heavy wheels

[@dcharmz5915]

1449 USD OR EUROs?

[@jb6879]

unless money is something you can burn the advanced is not worth it. I would be surprised if you saved 1 minute on the ride you mentioned. Maybe a few minutes on a really hilly ride for a few hours.

[@tomyee1336]

2 bikes for 1 all day every day

[@Smokingb0b]

Calculator i sometimes use bikecalculator.com/wattsMetric.html

[@bikotic]

thanks

[@2013danrazor2015danrazor]

im sorry but love Giant Defy more XD

[@lotusdk10]

what is that BBV?

[@bikotic]

bikotic.com/BIKOTIC%20BIKE%20VALUE%20CALCULATOR.html

[@sergarlantyrell7847]

Yes, but Mazda MX-5s aren't UCI legal... and you'd probably be banned for life for mechanical doping. Seriously, have you never heard of diminishing gains? Everything IN THE WORLD works like that. Mass market, mid-range products are ALWAYS much better value than the absolute top of the range model. For starters, that Dura-Ace crankset with power meter costs £50 more than the whole of the cheap TCR put together, where as the 105 version costs less than £100. On day one of the tour de France, if you gave a pro rider a TCR Adv 2 when their competition are riding things like the Pinarello Dogma F10s (that, for over £9k only come with the standard, non-power meter cranks) they would probably tell you to take a flying f*** and go race on it yourself.

[@bikotic]

Dude, I like the first line of your comment, funny....You have taken the video very literally, I did make it with a large slice of irony pie. At the end of the day you buy the best you can afford to buy.... assuming you like the colour ;)

[@sergarlantyrell7847]

Bikotic that's very true. I paid way more than i planned because I hated the colour of the one I was originally looking at. So apparently colour is worse value for money... On a serious note, a friend of mine actually bought one of those TCR adv 2s as it was the best value for money of the lot (its a decent upgrade over the tiagra one and not much more expensive) and he didn't require anything more. But it doesn't mean that the top of the range ones don't have their place, but only if you're going to benefit from the marginal gains and can justify the greatly increased cost (or are sponsored by giant...).

[@themadears]

Still not cheap...

[@chetlangford2144]

I only buy cheaper frames and add the best stuff extra to them! More money for to buy more bikes and have more fun and more dates with the wife!!!!!

[@zgradec]

Power speed calc www.kreuzotter.de/english/espeed.htm

[@robertwong2412]

If the price is 2x more and can't make me twice as fast, no thanks.

[@meDianize]

You will be fine with a 100$ bike with this kind of judgement => Pareto principle.

[@planetdog1641]

you are paying for the reseach and development and special labor. None of these bikes are worth more than $500 in parts.

[@shainexxxsescrimshaw7605]

It's the same frame,don't believe everything they tell you,all the weight difference comes from the groupset and wheels and stuff not the frame

[@zgradec]

Speed&Power calc www.kreuzotter.de/english/espeed.htm

[@jimbobjimbob8925]

Super this super that super super super super super super. Super

[@Wolfangs88]

1449 pounds cheap ???

[@livininchains4788]

Yes

[@shemmac4700]

Cheaper bike and upgrade wheels!

[@blizzbee]

LOL. From 4:44 and on

[@billytscherne4643]

A nice bike is nice to have but it's becoming ridicules!

[@livininchains4788]

I had a giant tcr advanced sl bike that I built up in single steps. I spent 3000 Euros to complete it with ultegra 6800 and fulcrum wheels. Now have a nice used scratchy old 250 Euro giant ocr alu frame with a mixed setup of older and newer shimano parts that I bought 10 years ago and an old 400 Euro cosmic elite wheelset. It's nice to ride it. Shortly I owned a r8000 ultegra for 600 Euros and soon I will buy me a fulcrum zero nite aluminum wheels set with ceramic bearings for 900 Euro. Maybe I will buy me a nice carbon frame if I want to. Maybe not. I like my old scratchy giant ocr. My bike is not for show, it's for riding the mountains until my legs are screaming. I go working and run my fuckin ass off for my money so why I should not buy me a nice bike when I have fun with that. You stingy people can spend your 300 bucks for a 12 kg brand new junk bike and be proud that you have stored some money. Don't spend too much money for your hobby. Better to blame people who do that and call them dumb. Is this the new "I spend less money than you idiot" mentality?

[@lenjames]

Goodness....it's a manufacturer bike scam and these elitist bike riders buy into it.....not to mention the funny outfits they buy and wear.