Experience Analog Heaven with New UAD LA-6176

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Universal Audio

Universal Audio

Күн бұрын

Join Drew as he walks you through Universal Audio's latest LA-6176 Signature Channel Strip plug-in. Experience analog heaven with the legendary 610 mic preamp, 1176 Limiting Amplifier, and LA-2A Leveling Amplifier all in one streamlined plug-in.
Watch as Drew dials in the LA-6176 on vocals and drums, and then tracks a bass through an Apollo interface with Unison technology for realtime with authentic analog tones.
Learn more about the LA-6176: www.uaudio.com/uad-plugins/ch...
Credits:
Ryan Wright “Bleed For You”
Learn more: @ryanwrightmusic
Chapters:
Intro: 00:00
Vocal Processing: 00:32
Drum Processing: 05:55
Unison Bass Tracking: 08:01
Outro: 10:06

Пікірлер: 159
@nicolasstrawberry4148
@nicolasstrawberry4148 Күн бұрын
I saw it on the website..watched your video then tried the demo for 7 days or however long it was and ended up buying it...I absolutely love having this in my tool box.
@UniversalAudio
@UniversalAudio 16 сағат бұрын
Awesome!! Glad to hear it!
@WayneDawkinsThePartyMan
@WayneDawkinsThePartyMan Ай бұрын
Wow that distortion suits that vocal perfectly. Please keep up the great work in keeping these amazing products coming. Being able to switch between the two comps and maintain the settings is just genius.
@songsfromaheadband3708
@songsfromaheadband3708 Ай бұрын
Hey Drew, that's a great video. Thank you! I bought it.
@dmazurek
@dmazurek Ай бұрын
Glad you enjoyed it!!
@bigfuzzztv787
@bigfuzzztv787 Ай бұрын
Excellent episode and you are my favorite UA contributor,... but all of you are amazing at sharing your experience, opinions and expertise. #respect
@infinaneek
@infinaneek Ай бұрын
Love this idea. Tired of loading the 3 plugs separately. Wish the comps were in series.
@guyincascade
@guyincascade Ай бұрын
You do realize this is plugin is modeled after a real piece of hardware
@hbbassplayer
@hbbassplayer Ай бұрын
Super helpful demo. Made the purchase an easy decision!
@dmazurek
@dmazurek Ай бұрын
Excellent!!
@wabi-sabi6429
@wabi-sabi6429 Ай бұрын
Drew is the best! He usually replies questions and inquiries fast on the Facebook group
@kenzorwings
@kenzorwings Ай бұрын
No only on fb and absolutely everywhere. Fb,forum,reddit etc. This man is a absolutely genius! My idol too!
@bugattiveyron620
@bugattiveyron620 Ай бұрын
I have the seperate plug ins , But I'm still getting this 😊 I have uses for it Thanx UA 👍
@RONNYMORRISMUSIC
@RONNYMORRISMUSIC Ай бұрын
What can I say. Returning to recording after years away, recovering from analogue studios UA took me by surprise. I am now blown away working in a digital world with the analogue flavor. In my ears the UA plugins sounds just like the hardware. Thanks guys for making things that sounds musical.
@GloveBunniesVideos
@GloveBunniesVideos Ай бұрын
A definite time-saver!
@eestbound
@eestbound Ай бұрын
I'm genuinely not mad at the fact that they add more plugins overtime. It feels good that the value of the product increases but for the love of god, add the plugins we REALLY want!! Lexicon 480L!!! Neve 33609 & 2254!!! SSL G COMP!!! SSL Channel Strip!!! Neve 1084!!!! Idk why these were not considered first before all these new ones.
@casualintrovert207
@casualintrovert207 Ай бұрын
tbh the 1084 is pretty similar to the 1073 sonically. If you ever saw a frequency chart of them side by side you'd see the base box tone is pretty similar.
@bco0t6
@bco0t6 Ай бұрын
They’re milking this shit
@jackharjani
@jackharjani Ай бұрын
I'd love to add the Culture Vulture to the list. People have been asking for the SSL for a very long time now. I guess it's got something to do with the fact that it's also available via the SSL subscription and the perpetual license is affordable as well, usually on sale for $29 or $49. But yeah, I'm not mad about the fact that they add more plugins overtime, but for sure they could do much better. At least add 2 plugins every month?
@2point7182818284590
@2point7182818284590 Ай бұрын
@@jackharjani Are you using the UAD version of the Culture Vulture? Just asking as I have a license but despite trying, I didn't find any use case where it actually sounded that good. It also sounds very different than the actual hardware.
@icjburke
@icjburke Ай бұрын
i'd add the EMT plates and AKG spring reverb to that, there's enough channel strips and comps/eqs
@corezerostudio
@corezerostudio Ай бұрын
Drew you're a genius! What a helpful video! Take my money already 😂
@zach1113
@zach1113 Ай бұрын
It’d be sick if you could choose to use both comps at the same time. Which of course would bring the issue of what comes first, but if that was added I’d be so happy. It just adds something extra that hardware doesn’t have but would be a welcome addition.
@SomebodyPickaName
@SomebodyPickaName Ай бұрын
Always 1176 first, for the transients, then the slower LA-2A after that.
@JerMarMusicGroup
@JerMarMusicGroup Ай бұрын
Sounds good! I’m surprised that you guys didn’t make a console extension of the 610 or SSL console into Luna. It would be nice to get some of this stuff built in! 💪🏾💯
@JayTheLane
@JayTheLane Ай бұрын
This is quite crispy when you push it and subtle using other settings.
@UniversalAudio
@UniversalAudio Ай бұрын
Indeed, so versatile!
@erickaymusic
@erickaymusic Ай бұрын
Hell yeah! Drew rocks!
@infestedalien
@infestedalien Ай бұрын
This plugin was very welcome in the studio! Been looking to get the hardware but this gives me alot more flexibility and it sounds gorgeous! As always to expect from Universal Audio!
@davidmarais1048
@davidmarais1048 Ай бұрын
Own the hardware for both units - this is a stunning emulation - going to get this asap, but not selling the hardware ever.
@ChristianCaldeira
@ChristianCaldeira Ай бұрын
Would have loved to be able to run the two compressors in series for that classic 1176->LA2A dual stage compression trick
@benjaminabercrombie6807
@benjaminabercrombie6807 Ай бұрын
I honesty thought that’s what it did when saw the announcement. Without that I don’t see the point.
@gorillagorilla111
@gorillagorilla111 Ай бұрын
cldnt one just load two instances and have the different compressor on each plugin ?
@ChristianCaldeira
@ChristianCaldeira Ай бұрын
@@gorillagorilla111 Absolutely, but at that point one might as well just use the 1176 and LA-2A plugins. Ideally this 6176 would have allowed for the combination in series.
@StereoAnthony
@StereoAnthony Ай бұрын
Pretty awesome! Purchased!
@johannesburkard2459
@johannesburkard2459 Ай бұрын
The sound is nice but I'm missing some added value like proper meters (input, saturation,...) that modern plugins provide
@norisan1979
@norisan1979 Ай бұрын
The 1176 included in LA-6176 is a reduced cost version, unlike the standalone reissue UA1176LN. In particular, the 1176 included in the LA-6176 has a different input transformer (Cinemag CM-3303), so its sound is different from the standalone reissue UA1176LN (Magnetika O12). Does this LA-6176 plug-in even emulate the difference in input transformers?
@SomebodyPickaName
@SomebodyPickaName Ай бұрын
The thing is, I need both the LA2A and the 1176 at the same time in series. Having to switch between one or the other defeats the purpose for me. It would mean that I'd need to load another plugin after this one to load whichever one wasn't selected first. If I'm loading 2 plugins at this point, I'm going to go with the 1176 and LA-2A plugins. Edit: I originally mentioned that I bought Sonnox Voca but I favor UA more for the 1-2 vocal chain.
@santaflow
@santaflow Ай бұрын
If you already have the 610, La2a and 1176 collections, what does this complement really provide? I would say nothing.
@harmonicapocket
@harmonicapocket Ай бұрын
I'm curious about this too. Other than the wet / dry knob what are we gaining from this?
@UniversalAudio
@UniversalAudio Ай бұрын
Unified GUI in the Unison slot. The ability to toggle back forth between 1176 and LA2 with all settings saved which helps you decide. HPF in front of the tubes which cleans up the bottom of the saturation nicely, as well as variable Ω for instrument inputs, a first for us in a plugin.
@matiasmoulin2126
@matiasmoulin2126 21 күн бұрын
if you happen to have too much money, you can pay UAD another 50$ even though you already own all 3 plugins ;-)
@WaqarShah-on4cs
@WaqarShah-on4cs Ай бұрын
You just updated Luna. Make them like we don't work on any other software. I'm a Cubase user. So I Want To Create Music On LUNA. Please update Thank you.
@oinochoe
@oinochoe Ай бұрын
What i would love to see as a plugin is Chandler TG2
@Maksitto
@Maksitto Ай бұрын
Thanks for new stuff. But ... Why GUI looks like it comes from noname cheap developer?
@TheFalsettoStudios
@TheFalsettoStudios Ай бұрын
Does the preamp section sounds similar to the 610B plugin from UA?
@UniversalAudio
@UniversalAudio Ай бұрын
Yes it does. But it has a HPF filter in it which cleans up the saturation nicely. Also, if you own an Apollo you get variable Ω for instrument ins.
@LuizCarlosJesusdosSantos
@LuizCarlosJesusdosSantos Ай бұрын
What is the ideal recommended level, in db in Pro Tools Digital VU, to enter these plugins?! I want the most analog behavior possible! 🤭
@LuizCarlosJesusdosSantos
@LuizCarlosJesusdosSantos Ай бұрын
@@Corleone01_Digital VU (Pro Tools) option?!
@mixedbysimeon
@mixedbysimeon Ай бұрын
-18
@steveg219
@steveg219 Ай бұрын
Tried it for about 5 minutes and bought it- super convenient all in one plugin
@TheRTM
@TheRTM Ай бұрын
I run compression before the EQ. .....There's no way to switch this around on the actual hardware?
@UniversalAudio
@UniversalAudio Ай бұрын
Correct.
@TheRTM
@TheRTM Ай бұрын
@@UniversalAudio 😕👎
@sons7429
@sons7429 Ай бұрын
It’s not showing up in my UA spark for some reason
@UniversalAudio
@UniversalAudio Ай бұрын
Try logging out, fully quitting UAC, then relaunch.
@kevinturvey8213
@kevinturvey8213 Ай бұрын
so it's definitely either the 1176 or the LA2A, but not both? (but man i bet that poor bass is now crying tears of shame)
@CedricMonnierFlameFy
@CedricMonnierFlameFy Ай бұрын
it already exists as autonomous plugins, I don't get the point. Why buying again LA2 A and preamp? are this any better than he current plugins?
@UniversalAudio
@UniversalAudio Ай бұрын
Unified GUI in the Unison slot. HPF in front of the tubes which cleans up the saturation. Also, variable Ω for instruments like the hardware.
Ай бұрын
@@UniversalAudio So does it use the same 1176/LA-2A code or has it been remodelled?
@UniversalAudio
@UniversalAudio Ай бұрын
Same algos re-fitted into the new plugin with the new features. Be sure to come over to the UADforum.com to hear all about it from Will Shanks the Product Manager.
@musiccreation1198
@musiccreation1198 Ай бұрын
Native ... sweet.
@GregoryStephenSchumacher
@GregoryStephenSchumacher Ай бұрын
Hi Drew!!
@UniversalAudio
@UniversalAudio Ай бұрын
Hey Greg!!
@4BRS
@4BRS Ай бұрын
Why are you not in LUNA? Love the pluging
@UniversalAudio
@UniversalAudio Ай бұрын
We love to mix it up and share the love with all DAWs!!
@xD3C3PTICONx
@xD3C3PTICONx 25 күн бұрын
Plenty of reasons. I use luna myself and love it but there are still a lot of functionality things missing that i am positive someday will be there!
@BimasJr
@BimasJr Ай бұрын
Downloaded for me 🙂
@kingech_B15
@kingech_B15 Ай бұрын
Oh my god it’s about time, now let’s wait for a sale.
@Bookah_wpmg
@Bookah_wpmg Ай бұрын
Hello Drew, in the next tutorial, use Luna; don't promote protools. We need to make Luna popular. Also, we need bounce in place in Luna or audio suite processing in Luna.
@UniversalAudio
@UniversalAudio Ай бұрын
We do like to spread the love around to all the DAWs. But of course LUNA is a our fav!!! Thanks for the support!!
@athonygraham8353
@athonygraham8353 Ай бұрын
@@UniversalAudio Since when is LUNA a DAW? LOL.
@johntwigg7650
@johntwigg7650 Ай бұрын
Because LUNA is well behind even worn out old garbage like protools.
@__orangejulius
@__orangejulius Ай бұрын
DREW AT UA. What a legend . The best customer service too!
@raman_korshun
@raman_korshun Ай бұрын
will this be added to SPARK?
@UniversalAudio
@UniversalAudio Ай бұрын
Yes!!
@raman_korshun
@raman_korshun Ай бұрын
@@UniversalAudio Excellent work! Thanks!
@Sixxiron
@Sixxiron Ай бұрын
@@UniversalAudio SPARK is the single greatest value in the entire industry!!! I pray it never goes away. Keep up the GREAT work!
@marsrivers
@marsrivers Ай бұрын
If you make ssl channel strip and bus compressor native...your incomes would rise a looot
@bco0t6
@bco0t6 Ай бұрын
They don’t want interest to go away they’re more worried about being forgotten than money, so many great companies are making quality plugins
@Lennie_peled
@Lennie_peled Ай бұрын
aren't the ssl native plugins good enough now???
@marsrivers
@marsrivers Ай бұрын
@@Lennie_peled no
@CustomerServiceCorrespondence
@CustomerServiceCorrespondence Ай бұрын
While this isn’t an ssl plug in chat, I don’t see much use for a native version while tracking when mobile. For mixing, 100 percent. The realtime gain and impedance match are really close to the console. Closer than any other version. As it’s already a UAD plug, users would get the native version free. Spark subscribers would get native only but respectively, and I do truly mean it respectfully, would there be much money to be made with all the native ssl clones out?
@bco0t6
@bco0t6 Ай бұрын
@@CustomerServiceCorrespondence people would subscribe to the service solely for the SSL strip which is regarded as one of if not the best plug-in, the g bus comp would just be a bonus, as it’s one of the best as well, people would flock just for the channel strip though.
@vadimmartynyuk
@vadimmartynyuk Ай бұрын
Please update UAD plug-ins so they show values when turning knobs
@frankfarrellmusic
@frankfarrellmusic Ай бұрын
One of my favourite features is that they don't show values. Forces me to use my ears instead of falling into the numbers trap
@audionerdlilcuz
@audionerdlilcuz Ай бұрын
No, unneeded.
@Atrocity1k
@Atrocity1k Ай бұрын
Clearly you guys don’t understand how to leave constructive criticism which is why they aren’t listening. 2nd thing is probably can’t just release native plugins if the likeness and name is owned by other companies without working out some type of business arrangement. UA can make native plugins of hardware UA owns without consequence. All of us don’t have the same plugin library so this may be someone’s first 610 and 76 plug-in.
@RogerBrenon
@RogerBrenon Ай бұрын
LOL Doubt it. The most copied emulations on the planet. Doubt many people need another 76.
@Atrocity1k
@Atrocity1k Ай бұрын
@@RogerBrenon that’s assuming everyone has the same plugins. This will be the first 76 x 610 pre combo for someone
@DanielTaylor-zj6nk
@DanielTaylor-zj6nk Ай бұрын
why isn't he using LUNA?
@athonygraham8353
@athonygraham8353 Ай бұрын
because LUNA is not very good
@UniversalAudio
@UniversalAudio Ай бұрын
Because we love and support all DAWs and want to mix it up!!
@robshrock-shirakbari1862
@robshrock-shirakbari1862 Ай бұрын
Would be nice if those of us who already own the LA-2As, 1176s, and 610s would get this free... since we've already bought these units.
@henrikpetersson3463
@henrikpetersson3463 Ай бұрын
Agreed. And it should apply to all these plugins that only reuses code (such as the Perfect Plate).
@NullStaticVoid
@NullStaticVoid Ай бұрын
I'm sure this could be a good workflow for some people. Might be nice to run on every channel to get an overall sound. But I'd rather see some more unobtainum classics in the vein of Neve, Gates and AMS. Would love to see Quantec, Roland, Publisson and Sony reverbs. Sphere, Quad Eight and Altec preamps EQs and dynamics. I know it's weird to say altec, but the desirable models have gotten collector prices now.
@amanat7861
@amanat7861 Ай бұрын
Why don't you add Neve Preamp as a Native Plugin? I think this would be the best thing UA can ever do
@moskva-kassiopeya
@moskva-kassiopeya Ай бұрын
Guys, please convert Neve 1073/1081 to mac native 🙏
@faizaldric
@faizaldric Ай бұрын
1073 already native.
@moskva-kassiopeya
@moskva-kassiopeya Ай бұрын
@@faizaldric it’s not
@henrikpetersson3463
@henrikpetersson3463 Ай бұрын
@@moskva-kassiopeya It is for sure. I use it all the time. The 1081 is not however. Nor is the 88RS for that matter.
@moskva-kassiopeya
@moskva-kassiopeya Ай бұрын
@@henrikpetersson3463 but if you check the plugins page on uad website and check the “Native” switch there will be no Neve 1073/1081 available
@IntheDAW
@IntheDAW Ай бұрын
Upgrade price was only 50 bucks for uad 2 and native pshhh. Bought it right away
@gordonmadden2832
@gordonmadden2832 Ай бұрын
Your voice sounds a lot like Tom Hanks.
@JoaoRelego
@JoaoRelego Ай бұрын
Ok, now we just need a Luna console extension 😊😊
@TheShpmusic
@TheShpmusic Ай бұрын
Finally, I've been waiting on this plugin since 2013. 😊awesome job..
@jazzybeeff
@jazzybeeff Ай бұрын
There are nothing since Sound City. And It was before 6 months! It's good but i don't believe anyone wait for Verve espacially. Everyone waits for the legendary plugins which they could not use because they have not Apollo Hardwares. And since 2 years that Spark showed up we still can not acess Ocean Way Reverb.
@aschmitz93
@aschmitz93 Ай бұрын
good presentation, but a bit irritated by the choice of adding this to native/spark instead of other essentials that are still missing.
@marsrivers
@marsrivers Ай бұрын
Give us the culture volture native!
@DavidCaraccio
@DavidCaraccio Ай бұрын
Drew on da bassss! Excellent 🙌
@kofikofi5695
@kofikofi5695 Ай бұрын
I don’t understand why UA will not focus on making all UA plugins native instead of wasting time with this plugin. most of us bought UA plugins when they were way expensive and the only consolation would be for them to at least make all your plugins native..nobody needs a combination of plugins when he owns the individual plugins. If you can’t build your own signal chain as a producer, then you have no business mixing music
@chizzulwinduh1941
@chizzulwinduh1941 Ай бұрын
it's because they want money for nothing. There's a load of poor suckers out there to rip off.
@2point7182818284590
@2point7182818284590 Ай бұрын
What's the point of this plugin? You can't even run both compressors at the same time. Wouldn't it make much more sense to put all three 1176 into one plugin where you can switch back and forth between the different versions?
@JuanNungaray
@JuanNungaray Ай бұрын
🤦🏻‍♂️😂🤣😂
@ShynAwkward
@ShynAwkward Ай бұрын
I know some people don't care about these things but..... Why do ALL of the UAD plugin knobs look so cartoonish, like they were drawn with a pencil? They don't even look like they are really part of the plugin interface. The same amateur texture GUI look for the 175 & 176 plugins. By comparison, all Softube plugins look so much better and more professional. Please, bring back the old authentic Universal Audio GUI look form 2018.
@xD3C3PTICONx
@xD3C3PTICONx 25 күн бұрын
Yo you coulda threw in a plug for the wonderful band youre using to sell the pulgin? Jesus, people are so heartless these days. Not even a mention in the deacription? Likr they are so good im actually mad at you drew 😂😂😂 nows your chance to redeem yourself!
@UniversalAudio
@UniversalAudio 23 күн бұрын
🤩 Of course we credited Ryan in the description. And she is a client of mine and therefore well taken care of!!! Thanks for watching!
@marsrivers
@marsrivers Ай бұрын
Give us a new bundle for $49
@athonygraham8353
@athonygraham8353 Ай бұрын
Money for old rope. UAD, why don't you own up and be honest as to why you haven't added any more existing perpetual plugins to Spark? Is it because the devs for Softube and the other 3rd parties aren't going to let you compete in their own native market? It's been a long time since any releases of existing plugins on Spark, it seems to have dried up. People are waitng, tell us the truth.
@chizzulwinduh1941
@chizzulwinduh1941 Ай бұрын
Yeah, unbelievable how they treat us customers like schmucks. Maybe I am a schmuck for sticking with UAD, I do feel like one.
@djshmul1
@djshmul1 Ай бұрын
​@@chizzulwinduh1941softube then?
@bco0t6
@bco0t6 Ай бұрын
Y’all really doing the most UA I don’t get what’s so difficult about listening to your community, no one literally no one asked for this, where tf is the native SSL strip, and how about some Sontec/Masalec emulations, maybe an SSL fusion, or Neve Portico something that we actually want for fucks sake !
@johnjhonny646
@johnjhonny646 Ай бұрын
SSL Channel Strip is one of my least used dsp plugins. I think the PA products sound much better. If possible I would like to sell uad one. Anyway, emulation has copyright issues. It's not easy.
@henrikpetersson3463
@henrikpetersson3463 Ай бұрын
@@johnjhonny646 To each their own. I much prefer the UAD one. But I use it sparingly because of the DSP usage. A native version would surely be welcomed for me.
@johnjhonny646
@johnjhonny646 Ай бұрын
​@@henrikpetersson3463 SSL Channel Strip is one of the heavier plugins among many DSP plugins. It uses more DSP than massive passive or 1073. I don't want to use that much cpu for the channel strip.
@OscarSL80
@OscarSL80 Ай бұрын
We want the 1073, SSL chanel strip and Ampex ATR in native, thats what we want, not this...
@BrandonPaluzzi
@BrandonPaluzzi Ай бұрын
1073 is already native 😂
@OscarSL80
@OscarSL80 Ай бұрын
@@BrandonPaluzzi no its no...
@Atrocity1k
@Atrocity1k Ай бұрын
@@OscarSL80yes it is and no it isn’t 😂😂😂 If you bought the 1073 before spark plugins became a thing then you have it natively for free If you bought it after spark then you have to have to buy the Apollo version to get the native
@OscarSL80
@OscarSL80 Ай бұрын
@@Atrocity1k if I go to the website and select the native pluguins is not there, it comes as just as an Apollo owner
@Atrocity1k
@Atrocity1k Ай бұрын
@@OscarSL80 it’s not going to be on the UA website you have to check your UA connect
@Krutcher79
@Krutcher79 Ай бұрын
It is just a crappy plugin that combines several old plugins. If you already have the three plug-ins, there is no need to get these. I am tired of rehashing past plug-ins with just a different GUI. I continue to be disappointed with UA's recent work.
@kenzorwings
@kenzorwings Ай бұрын
Bro the music is based and made by the old tools(the vintage ones). Not everybody have all plugins in the library. Just chill down! UA company offer options,promotions and new opportunites / futures for everyone,every budget. :D
@harveynkosi6356
@harveynkosi6356 Ай бұрын
I totally agree, this is another marketing gimmick just like Verve. Old products, packaged as new for the new UA customers who never had hardware, us who have always had hardware are shifted to the curb, we have the 610 plugin for UAD-2, I have always asked myself as a plugin that's free from UA for every Apollo, why wasn't that one of the first plugins to go native? It's their flagship pre-amp but instead they pushed other pre's like the 1073, nothing against the 1073 but UA is just moving weird these days. Disappointed with this release, the precision bundle going native would've been better.
@p-mixxatonphiremastermix4618
@p-mixxatonphiremastermix4618 Ай бұрын
One thing to consider is, Universal Audio just got one step closer to digitizing its current hardware line... (As of this post, mid 2024) The only current one left to emulate is the 710 / 4-710D Twin-Finity, which would complete the Unison ecosystem as it relates to UA's current hardware MicPres. UA could possibly add the 8110/4110 with the 2192 converter as another Unison offering in the future, maybe as part of a plan to emulate all of the hardware they ever made, thus digitizing their entire hardware catalog, both past and present. Just things that make you go ... Mmmm ??
@bco0t6
@bco0t6 Ай бұрын
They won’t give us any new emulations that actually matter like a Sontec or Masalec EQ shit is getting out of hand and they keep making these plugins we don’t care about native
@athonygraham8353
@athonygraham8353 Ай бұрын
This is what UAD do these days, just like shitty Waves. Rehashing and relabelling existing old crap and hoping nobody will notice that and hoping nobody will mention the fact that there's a stack of perpetual plugins that just will not be on Spark, ever.
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