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[@longwinter]

subbed since you got the gti and like the videos so far but is this video sponsored and you didnt mention it? seems very sponsored like youre really really pushing unitronic at every moment you can. unless youre just really into the brand and did your own research since you got the gti but you dont even mention other tuning options in the video. kinda susses me out :/

[@CameronAlford]

I reached out to them for support before I even bought the car cuz I love their company. This was not sponsored 👍🏻

[@dsteve2214]

@@CameronAlford so you got the parts for free to review them? Edit: Perfectly fine with whatever i was just wondering

[@aginganinja]

cam does this with a lot of products he uses, its not sponsored. otherwise he would mention it is, trust me! he is just very passionate about cars and appreciates a good car company when he finds one!

[@longwinter]

@@CameronAlford oh ok nice thank you for the clarification. it was a very detailed video which was nice and im sure u gave a lot of people new reasons to get a gti lol

[@sebastianvontilliusanderse9306]

Mz

[@Zed44817]

that’s a pretty big box for a cable.

[@WaveManMike]

Bro, I’ve been binge watching all your GTI videos for the past week 😂 I have a 2022 Jetta GLI so your videos are kinda like a guide for me 😅

[@tiltedtoken1450]

I feel that Mustang comment. Traded my SRT Challenger for a 19 GTI. Got a lot "WHY!?" Comments. It's rewarding to feel the progress of the work you done on the car. Not to mention windy roads are way more fun. Had the car for a week now and already on my way to a stage 2. Can't wait.

[@santostuner]

I traded my Wrx sti to the 19 gti rabbit edition blue as well heard the same WHY and trust bro they don’t get it

[@hoodieboy1515]

So you just have to buy the 650$ stage 1 or stage 2 750$ and you're good to go? Can I use a MacBook Pro that I have? lol.

[@xtnuser5338]

@@santostuner I just bought a '19 Cornflower Blue Rabbit edition DSG a week ago. I bought a Urano Gray one the week before, to let my kids take to college. I fell in love with it, and honestly was a little bit miffed that I had given it to them. So I bought a second one for myself. It's a fantastic daily commuter car AND a load of fun when that's what you're in the mood for. I absolutely love it. This is coming from a guy who has a GT3RS in the garage.

[@disjerm5277]

@@xtnuser5338i’d say you definitely won that exchange, i love that cornflower blue paint color

[@solidsoulart]

The dislikes on this video are people who don't want to be the "tuner" guy/girl in their friend group

[@CameronAlford]

Preach Eric

[@michaelmahoney5625]

You literally made up my mind on getting this specific tune! I was on the fence for a while because I’m new to modifications and tuning and didn’t want to risk damaging my stock gti. But you definitely pushed over the fence to definitely getting this 😁

[@nameless5846]

have you got it now

[@santostuner]

Did you get it

[@centralcoastgti7171]

I have a mk5. These cars are extremely underrated. Amazing daily’s and street cars and completely reliable

[@Shcubaskeez]

"should i wait till the morning" yes. "im i going to?" NO! literally me.

[@beckettcarpenter5154]

I’ve been wanting to get a gti for myself so this helps

[@HarryTwatter]

do it now, 16+

[@hreynolds7980]

Buy mine if you want

[@unknwn2562]

Do it! It’s a great car to do almost anything with 🔥

[@popupheadlights]

Same my ST got totaled out so im thinking of trying a GTI as well.

[@Adreyan]

Definitely buy one

[@bretgtimk7968]

what is the main difference between this software and IE software as performance? I dont want the popping sound that most gti owners have.

[@mikegreen2229]

I’ve been a huge aircooled fanatic and owned various old VWs for 22 years. Got my first watercooled, an 18 GTI manual and I’m kinda glad I waited! The MK7 is a beast and fun

[@derekuhm]

Love my mk7 GTI, prefer it to mk8 actually.

[@JR_86]

Sounds like from this vid you got hella sponsered by unitronic . Why would you pay 1400 for that OTS tune when you go with COBB that does let you monitor things if you wanted to and get a custom tune from a tuner for almost the same price?? Makes no sense.

[@TheMacqman9]

I was wondering the same thing, it just has to be a sponsorship. Everyone is switching to EQT or the old faithful, APR.

[@gustavopaulette3496]

@@TheMacqman9 Which one is better? I have a 2018 GTI with 32k miles and ready to tune

[@mr.kennedy2257]

Appreciate the honesty in your reviews. Gives us some real expectations for how it will perform. Most people I've met are choosing between Unitronic and APR. Do your research people, you'll find what works best for you, but the convenience and use friendliness of the Unitronic are on full display here. You're the man Cam 👊

[@mosesndeda3340]

I was really looking forward to this video. Tuesdays and Thursdays... am always eager.

[@RealRacer06]

Great videos! I'd like to see an install of the upgraded MK7.5 GTI headlights. Again, great vids and awesome garage setup!

[@sirmontecristo2808]

Short story: Bought my GTI with 6K miles, installed Unitronic Stage 2 ECU and Transmission @ 10K miles. She is 62K now, got the XForce Exhaust, change oil Liqui Moly every 5K. The other day was driving back from work and an MK7.5 with a bunch of COBB decals tried to keep up and was unsuccessful. Once we slowed down he shouted "is that a big turbo?" to what I smiled and nodded. I was wearing Continentals with around 15-20K on them. Today I got Michelins Pilots installed and I can't wait to be underestimated again. I installed the tune myself and it is as easy as it can possibly get. Highly recommended, not a sponsored comment and I stand behind this video 100%. Thank you

[@joshuaandrade217]

Still good?! Any issues?

[@BlackuLaLa]

Anyone who asks the Mustang question must not have driven very many cars and I feel bad for them. Driving a GTI is NOTHING like driving a mustang. Just like it's nothing like driving any other car. I guarantee you that this GTI would blow the doors off of a '69 Corvette... TBH this GTI would probably blow the doors off of any 70s-80s Ferrari or Lambo. So OBVIOUSLY you couldn't have fun driving a '69 Corvette, a Testarossa, or Countach. Why bother. Ugh... Children...

[@audieconrad8995]

Have a '17 GTI with a Unitronic stage-1+ 93 octane and a DKM Stage-2 clutch. Have had it for a year a and a half = no issues EXCEPT ...TOO MUCH FUN. 0-60 is sick...top end pull is astonishing 60-130+ and that's just in 3rd&4th gear... BOOM👊

[@Bawla187]

Dude I have the same car 17' SE manual. I want to go this route so bad but my biggest fear is crank walk.. What made you decide to get dkm clutch and would you recommend that company again?

[@audieconrad8995]

@@Bawla187 hey man, sooo... a few thoughts - not in any particular order... I'm a gearhead in name only - not a mechanic. My stock clutch on stock tune started slipping at 70-72k (disappointing). So decided to go for a tune and clutch that'd handle the power increase. I had narrowed down to 2 garages - APR/SouthBend the other was Unitronic/DKM. The 2nd choice is what I went with because of a close to 1k price dif AND the garage I chose had a great VW mod rep.. Verrrry happy with the UNI 1+ tune - huge inrease over stock with no mechanical alterations = 310hp/345 lb. The power curves are similar to stock - smooth and linear. APR seemed more peaky to me... The clutch - DKM is the brand that was recommended as this well known mechanic works with. If I recall (some of this gets to be a bit gobbildy-goop admittedly) to me...what was recommended and installed is a DKM stage-2 single disc Daily - rated over 400-lb.. I am very happy with it's performance as my ride now has 104k no issues. Clutch peddle pressure is fine, take up point is comfortable. I don't particularly whale on it per se - don't do a lot of launches but do like to occasionally hammer down/upshifts on higher-end pulls at rpm 😊. No issues - goes great! However...it is noisy at idle and at 1-2 gear engagement points. Sounds like diesel. I was informed it would be a "little bit." Although I like and trust the mechanic I do believe I was sold a little bit of a bill of goods when it comes to the clatter. I've gotten a bit more used to it. For my taste I'd rather deal with that than fart-pop-bang exhaust - not a fan - just me. Sometimes u just gotta trust the professional although I was a bit naive. Btw...don't know what crank walk is. Sorry this was long but wanted to give you an honest background and perspective - you deserve that. U have a great ride and this is a major and expensive upgrade and you want it to be right. There's always trade-offs - depends what your needs and desires are. Ask around some more, check some forums see what others say. Good luck with whatever you choose - overall I've been really happy with the added performance!🚘

[@Bawla187]

@@audieconrad8995 awesome, this was well stated and great info.. Thank you for the reply and info.. This is will definitely be my next mods(clutch and stage 1+). I've had this car new since 9/2017 and enjoy the time with it so far...so w/27k on it, now I want to tap it's potential a bit. Thanks again✌🏾

[@audieconrad8995]

@@Bawla187 u r very welcome! Only 27k? Wow good 4 u. U r gonna dig the added power. 4 me - even though outta the hole (digs) is awesome it's the top-end pull - 50/60 rolls that r the real fun! I live in a northern climate and I find that the turbo likes the cold air - late fall thru early spring. Keep'er between the lines brothah! Good luck.

[@tetrodotoxin3863]

I love your workspace man, so clean...

[@roddyhaley3005]

i have the same mk7 and dear god this vid just convinced me to get a tune as fast as i can afford it waiting for exhaust and charge pipes but the starch diff between Drive-Sport modes is exactly what im looking for in a tune take care of the baby man, youre up to some great shit

[@kohlskii]

You ever get that tune bro??

[@shemarsmith3158]

Bro I bought this shit last week and now I’m having so much issues man. I did everything u did and it still doesn’t work. They’re telling me my cable was never set up and then on another thing it’s saying cable was registered like wtf man smh

[@hospagalief]

Just got my 21 manual stage 1 unitronic, it's not a huge difference but makes the gti live up more to it's potential

[@guitargeometry]

Cameron buy an obdeleven!!! it’s worth it..

[@p88trb]

I was between the mk7 gti an R. I gone are and a simple tune i went from 300bhp to 370 and threw the 4wd system. Amazing car and being mqb platform very easy to tune and upgrade parts

[@eppyz]

Something for people to consider before pulling the trigger on this. If you live in States like California be careful of doing this. California passed a law that is currently in affect this year that all "tunes" need to be CARB compliant or it's an automatic fail on your smog check. Additionally, downpipes are a fail and so are intakes that aren't CARB. Oil catch cans are also automatic fails. Just something to keep in mind when considering mods if you live in an un mod friendly State. 😎

[@luelo3814]

Been loving the channel, feels like I’ve been waiting around for the Tuesday and Thursday uploads!!

[@graysonnell9389]

cobb acessport is definitely the way to go instead. less expensive and more horsepower and reliable. you can monitor everything and eqt customer service is way better. why pay $1300 when you can pay $600-700 and you get to monitor everything and flash back from each tune.

[@graysonnell9389]

no hate just to clarify but in my experience i had unitronic stage 2 and it’s not even close to the same as eqt stage 2. when i made the switch to a acessport with eqt stage 2 it made the car feel so much different as faster and jsut smoothly and easier to use.

[@abelalf]

Grayson Nell almost every popular KZbinr ends up going unitronic because they offer sponsorships

[@Bruno-dc6yo]

depends on the car. As of today, I can't get Cobb tuning for my TTS, but Unitronic has everything for it.

[@yahiaforaida9778]

Loving this series especially now that I’ve just bought a gti

[@yeetduck5854]

I’m boutta sell my turbo mustang for a golf r not gonna lie

[@SonOfTheDawn515]

If I could afford a Golf R I would in a heart beat. Fastest stock VW plus AWD and all its improvements over the GLI and GTI. But it's also way more expensive.

[@2wheeldom11]

Definitely getting this for my 2018 gti. Recently bought it and I love it but I get exactly what u mean with D mode being too slow and laggy and S mode too aggressive. Stage1+ gets you 100hp more lol. On a stock car...

[@markofeski9570]

Been following you for the longest time now, so funny how the time you sold the mustang I lost mine to a distracted driver. Then I got my truck and gti and the day I bought it you come out with a video w/ you getting one too. Love the videos man I’ve learned so much from you and can’t thank you enough!

[@KnuckleChin]

It’s more of the torque you feel. These TSI engines are little torque monsters. Welcome to the VAG world bro. You will never go back to anything else 😆🤣 RS3 up next for you. Mark my words.

[@luisattack]

Also dumb question but is the tune a 1 time use or could you and a buddy both use the tune?

[@kedmond]

The Unitronic tunes are paired to your VIN and Uniconnect cable so that you can't pirate the software.

[@zed0k]

All three codes except for the P2440 can be ignored. The car has a lot of fault codes when in accessory mode. Make sure your SAI is plugged into the airbox all the way. You can also tell if the SAI is working properly when you turn the car on when its cold. You will hear loud suction for about 15 seconds while the SAI pulls air. The catalytic converter needs to be hot to work properly. SAI adds more non combusted air to heat it up quickly on startup.

[@darrellroireau4061]

Great review! Now I wonder what their MK6 platform can do! I was thinking of getting Cobb but maybe Unitronic now hmmm. I had APR stage 1 on my last GTI and was decent.

[@guelahpapyrus8807]

I have a 02' GTI 1.8T manual. You're making me want to get a stage 1 tune for it.

[@fakealexstrong]

With that car you should just go k04 and stage 3. Why not?

[@lorenzolacampagne8565]

Does it still have eco mode lol

[@dubblekill1285]

How can i get a uniconect + i whant it too 🥺

[@AKUAZxARMY]

Did the stage 1 tune remove the speed governor too?

[@krisbrown5322]

Yeah I'd like to see those numbers on a dyno. A before tune and after.

[@dailydrivensedans4875]

I very quickly looked over rhis tuning company but after finding no revo tuners in my entire state and hearing that raised redline shift😏. I know the sound my car makes very well and the sound coming through this video is basically giving the experience through the video☺️. Still have three years left in my warranty but screw it, ive wanted this along time😂

[@PedroSilva98237]

Hi Cameron I don't know if you are going to see this since this video has 2 yrs but I have a question about UNITRONIC'S UNICONNECT+, do we have to pay for the cable only or is there any license or remap maps that we would need to buy too?

[@toooes]

> a lot of mental thought goes into it > there's a lot that can go wrong and a lot that can go right > tuning makes the world go 'round

[@9847tristan]

I bought my 2015 gti used and it came with a ECU/TCU unitronic tune so I thought that was how GTIs felt stock. Also had a downpipe + turbo inlet pipe so the sounds was also amplified. Crazy how $2,000 and you can turn a full stock gti into a rocket

[@JacesOwnWorld]

Not even $2000. You can get all of that for less than $1500 easy

[@alesmith4266]

This guy

[@adr3510]

@@JacesOwnWorldhow when the tune is 1509 itself

[@Jay-hv5ie]

Excited to watch the build as I’m also building my GTI. I think I’m going EQT with Cobb AP, from what I’ve seen EQT has the best power gains, plus the AP is very versatile especially if you want a pro tune down the line.

[@josephfreakencota]

Was gonna do the same with EQT on my 2021 gti, but no cobb ap for california :/ sucks. So I ordered the stage 2 with unitronic & I am actually super satisfied with how smooth the tune is

[@chirpyr6219]

@@josephfreakencota unitronic meet the new CARB EO laws?

[@zoob4371]

@@josephfreakencota dont you need a downpipe to go stage 2? i didnt think downpipes would be legal in california

[@josephfreakencota]

@@zoob4371 yes, a downpipe would be beneficial with stage 2. Now.. will you pass smog lol it’s hit or miss. California is ass when it comes to being an enthusiast

[@zoob4371]

@@josephfreakencota damn i see, did you pass emissions though? im trying to get this and i live in ny so i wanna pass emissions

[@BAGGED20AE]

Anyone running this with 6 speed? Any input on how it’s performed? Any excessive clutch wear?

[@loganweems7257]

Installing this a 6MT tomorrow I hope I can answer this question soon

[@ixixixixixixixixix]

Logan Weems any news?

[@loganweems7257]

@@ixixixixixixixixix yes! It was great until my clutch started slipping about 500 miles in to the tune absolutely shredded it. I have a ttrs clutch kit I'm installing next weekend.

[@mikemartinez7290]

What’s your thoughts about installing unitronic on a Golf R with voiding the warranty?

[@qwi2311]

Why does this feel like a kid in his parents garage?

[@bippu661]

Thank you for posting this good video

[@BigBoiChunkyy]

quick question, in your other video you go to a stage 2 tune.... when you buy a unitronic stage 1 tune do you get all the others for further upgrades or do you have to spend the extra 500-600 dollars for another tune?

[@JohnDoe-xw1jk]

You buy stage 1+ for 600 and then to upgrade to stage 2 its like 100

[@jmequerie]

Love your content. I m a GTI owner too. I can not wait to tune my mk6 ! Keep it up.

[@Elijah-kq9vc]

Dude same, currently saving and moving but when the time comes.. cant wait to see my car become more alive!

[@robertanderson2151]

Hey, I just bought my mk7 gti and within a week of owning it I got a injen evo intake, CTS catback and just ordered a Unitronic DP. I’m thinking about doing a unitronic stage 1 but I need it to be reliable, even tho I bought the whole car my dad said if i tune it and break it he’s gonna kick me out… IM 17!

[@adrianleon1731]

Fuck every other tune everybody is talking about. Get an IS38, (which is the golf R turbo for making big power) and get it tuned through unitronic or apr.

[@Cynical709]

she wont be that much slower then a charged stag once shes fully built. lol

[@KalyxYT]

Hopefully you dont have a mechanical warranty hahaha. VOID.

[@davidgriggs3967]

You need to get some Bridgestone potenza re71r under the front wheels for some traction.

[@spyplane8]

I know this is an old video but I had to laugh when I realized Honda has now provided a dual clutch option for their civic type r

[@koeit7981]

is it redlining at that high of an rpm safe? im scared to get this for my gti

[@jeffgroves4533]

How does this work? Do you still have to pay for the actual tune when using this device?

[@jamiebishop9512]

@cameron For me the most irritating aspect of driving in D is the constant shifting to high gears at low speed. Is this fixed ?

[@papillon5537]

How about manual transmission GTi ? It can make same effect?

[@2525miche]

Is there a big difference between unitronic Tcu stage 1 and Tcu stage 2

[@Toneyy]

would you say this tune is still good for a 2019 GLI?

[@dagobertobaez8528]

bro you had to upload it to a dyno to know if it actually gives that hp that says unitronic

[@IAmLeutrimTopalli]

Hey hey, I like regular drive mode better than sport. I like the smoothness of the shifts vs the hard downshifts every single gear. If I want to go any faster I just put in sport for passing then back to drive

[@thedgopro6985]

Eqt tuned it’s really good you should try it

[@JackHausam]

Hey so I have a question. Any chance you’d be willing to tune my car for me? I just got out of the navy and own a 2019 Golf S. Trying to get some more power. On a pretty tight budget rn.

[@cademollahan8578]

Bro has been STOCKING the parts! SHEEEEEESHHH

[@sergiogoyaz7841]

You should of went EQT with a AP

[@Joeofalltrades85]

I bought a 2014 gti manual transmission and I love it looking to do some upgrades

[@famousangel8736]

Thoughts on a Cobb Accessport ?

[@tsewja]

hey looking for help no shops want to just give me any info. So do i need to buy the cable and a tune from them? or is just buying the cable all that needs done. I have put a cold air intake and a 3in down pipe now it need a tune.

[@tsewja]

i just watched the rest of the video i have what i need to know!

[@klinsmanntan8748]

Do I have to get a new laptop just for this tune up, or I can use my mac book?

[@t58beare]

Use bootcamp

[@unprofessionalmechanic8466]

Hey, nice work! I see this video is 2yo and hope you still enjoy your GTI. While you went frim stock to tune, I in a little bit different situation - I bough a non-running GTI with stage1+ ECU and Stage1 TCU tune from Unitronic... engine was bad - cylinder walls were scored, timing chain streched to the point that tensioner's piston almost fell out of housing. Car had 130k. So I bought a donor 2012 GTI with 46k miles on it. Carried over the engine+dsg, turned out that my GTI is CBFA and donor is CCTA so I had to install different head that I happens to have, ordered APR titanium headstuds, because... because why not? Added unrestricted elbow, Untron8c intercooler, full alumitum radiator... car had a full stainless steel magnaflow 3" exhaust and by full I mean from turbocharger outlet all the way, APR full carbon fiber intake system, etc. I had already started the engine but did not assemble everything yet. Can't wait to drive this thing...

[@alanlopez7210]

bro what tires are you running ?

[@Tommy2Txmes]

VW recently tried to update my ecu and i had a tune. Now i dont think the tune is there anymore. I have aftermarket parts…cts downpipe,injectors were upgraded,a flow master,high flow cat,apr coil packs and i think the intercooler might be aftermarket it has cts pipes coming out of it. Sorry…i purchased the car not knowing it was tuned. Lol. So now i have to put a tune on the car with all the aftermarket parts already on it. Is that bad? Is that more expensive? Would i be able to do it myself?

[@drewnashty]

They even preloaded OBS on there for you lol.

[@brandon77020]

Gotta get at least a downpipe on there, sounds so quiet

[@eppyz]

Downpipes are illegal in some States (California) so be careful. Tunes as well as of this year need to be carb compliant or you get an automatic fail on your smog test. Just something to keep in mind.

[@stock.cars.2ned]

Never heard of EQT, your loss.

[@AndrewBenson91]

Lol he’s missing out

[@whatta7793]

With your experience with the EA888 engines and many different tunes.. what's your favorite plug and play tune for the EA888 so far?

[@MrRonan3]

I understand the guy with the mustangs comments about V8 horsepower. i live in Australia and they do not like 2ltr cars.they think anything 2ltr is for bottles of milk.until they tried to race my MK7 Golf R race tuned by APR. a V8 never got near it.it was so fast.now the V8 lovers here know that 2 ltr cars with awd launch off the lights and the wetter the weather is the better!. or dirty roads they just grip,

[@ao6179]

Anyone else get stuck with “unauthorized vin” when proceeding to tcu flash. Visited multiple forums- looking for a solution. Hopefully my car starts in the morning 🤘

[@spankytc5]

I thank you for your videos I always pay people to do stuff for my bikes etc but I have a new GTI MK7 I am getting started with Unitronic products you sold me thanks

Does this upgrade remove the limit the car has at 200km/h? I imported this model from the US to Europe and I'm having some trouble with modifications and understanding how it works..

[@ShaolinDRgnn]

Hey will this work on MK 8? I am really considering the GTI

[@metro_official799]

did you have to buy the tunes separately?

[@daveperryLXXVII]

So i can just jump on their website and buy the cable? Really want to avoid these flash tuner garages that charge arms and legs

[@marcpageau6209]

A lot of online dealer offers the UniConnect+ cable and ship it for free!

[@Bawla187]

So I'm curious as to why you went Stage 1 and not Stage 1+ w/Unitronic?

[@rjbaldwin_]

91 octane only.

[@Locallybuiltauto]

Thinking about running this tune on my GLI Mk7 after my warranty ends

[@wolvoman1]

Generic map, one map fits all, not all cars are the same, most ecu are now locked so cannot use obd port. Seems a contradictory way of re mapping, you remap the ecu engine tune, then re tune the ecu again for the gearbox, which would alter the remapped engine file to protect the dsg.

[@jarrenbesson2636]

So I have a Jetta gli, basically the same thing as a GTI just in sedan form. I was wanting to get the stage 1+ tune. I already have a cts turbo Intake and a muffler and resonator delete. How do you think that would work with the tune. Would the tune recognize that ?

[@richardsantos6061]

Super helpful. Thanks for the upload 😀

[@paulkingrey7758]

Anyone have a stage 1 tune on a mk4 1.8T GTI? I have one that has a newer motor and I believe it's on a stock tune. Thinking about doing the stage 1, and dont want to hurt the reliability or get issues down the road.

[@therealjs19]

awesome results! Just wondering does this compromise reliability? Im looking to get a gti and do some light modding. it just seems like a very big jump in hp/tq with just a tune is all

[@moisesgonzalez362]

I need help I did everything but once I got to launch the app on my laptop it says my cable hasn’t been activated but I did all the previous steps I’m stuck someone plz help help help

[@OGxSoup]

Have a 13 GLI that just hit 50k. I got it a downpipe and tune for its Bday.

[@jeffreyroche1193]

hey whats up Cameron!! Im buying a 2013 gti with apr tune and cold air intake and cat back exhaust, will the mpg ultimately suffer significantly? thanks!

[@snaeqyoutube2764]

i have a 2017 gti s and doing brake boost pulls is hella fun. you should add those into your videos.

[@patrickjohnson9994]

Hey Cameron! I have been following the progress on your GTI. It was because of you I ended up getting utronic, not realizing they are Canadian eh! Keep doing your shit it’s really inspiring.

[@stealthsrt4]

i just bought a jetta with the 1.4 thinking of the s1+ if i went stage 2 with the downpipe and kept factory muffler how much louder will it be, i dont want crazy pissed off bumble bee sound but i understand there will be some change in sound what do you think how loud it would be