Experiencing The Holy Ghost | Jose-GA | The Atheist Experience 24.37

[@derwolf9670]

Can't believe Matt has been having these exhausting conversations for 15 years... There's a true miracle for you

[@geraldammons5520]

😄

[@Thought.I.Was.Clever]

No wonder he’s short

[@tristanmisja]

17 now...

[@canderson5098]

Dancing cats = ridiculous Contact with a disembodied spirit = totally plausible

[@SpatialAndTemporalEvangelicals]

True!

[@launabanauna496]

I know right!

[@at6686]

TickerTaallick Don’t forget chief white half oat waking up with huples cat on his face.

[@hakureikura9052]

well, i'd say double thumbs up to a disembodied spirit of a dancing cat.

[@dannyspitzer1267]

Haha...100th like here

[@defiance1790]

“You realize you are requiring me to think?!” Yes... please do that. Especially before you go on a public broadcast.

[@meloveAi]

That explains why he called.

[@rocktober1327]

Jeff, best comment.

[@louiskriel7025]

You reguire me to think.Correct.Thats the problem with theist they dont think .

[@morbidmanmusic]

@Louis Kriel Well, that comment would have gotten a C- in English grammar.

[@lulolie]

@@morbidmanmusic I think they mistyped and the two periods were meant to be commas, I do that a lot.

[@britishsocialist7927]

Ahh, the "you know god is real!" routine, never gets old

[@TheSufferBrothers2]

Don't get me wrong, I like the classics, but I'm more of a "science hasn't proven molecules-to-man evolution" kinda guy myself. It's like the prog rock of bullshit apologetics.

[@britishsocialist7927]

@@TheSufferBrothers2 my favourite would have to be "If you don't believe in God why are you talking about him!?" doesn't get better than that

[@launabanauna496]

@@jarrodpurvis2611 Yep, it's on my top 5 list.

[@launabanauna496]

@@TheSufferBrothers2 Is that one similar to, "how can atheists believe that we (homosapiens) came from a pile of goo, billions of years ago?"

[@TheSufferBrothers2]

@@launabanauna496 - Yeah, some people say it's derivative of the other tune, but that happens a lot in prog rock apologetics (warning: dreadful punchline imminent), it's like comparing the days when Peter Gabriel was the lead singer to when Phil Collins took over - none of them can agree on which version of Genesis they prefer. Sorry. I'll get my coat.

[@richardbeaumont7960]

Callrr "I'm going to provide evidence that experiencing the Holy Spirit is real!" Matt: "How are you going to do that?" Caller "Don't pressure me man, I haven't had a chance to think about that!"

[@JamesRichardWiley]

Let me read you passages from this ancient book.

[@Amalekites]

Every single time..

[@alansimmons9621]

@@JamesRichardWiley This ancient book that we don't know where the original copy is.

[@nm1915]

@@alansimmons9621 or who wrote it.

[@trishayamada807]

It’s always “you’re denying the Holy Spirit” or you’re “being stubborn”. No it’s because you’re not able to prove your position.

[@trishayamada807]

Alex McAuliff and the evidence it’s true because the Bible says so. Or god works in mysterious ways along with god is unseen and can’t be proven with we can’t understand his ways. Ok so a circular argument followed by believing in something you can’t understand, know or discover through sciences or senses. How exactly do you get yourself to believe something that’s unknowable, unable to understand, unable to provide credible testable evidence? How do you give up everything that connects us to reality? Now that I do not understand.

[@r.scottmacleod4564]

Only religions cause this brain washing...religous people don't behave this way in ANY OTHER aspects of society, they don't get served by an invisible teller at their bank or see warnings at the shell fish section of the grocery store but they are willing to seek advice about an invisible man in the sky from a book written so long ago that the people who wrote it did not yet even know it was a bad idea to trade their kids for a goat! ONLY FOOLS CAN HAVE SUCH A NEED TO DENY REALITY

[@hisxmark]

@@r.scottmacleod4564 "Only religions cause this brain washing..." Alas, but no! All sorts of tribalisms are based on this sort of nonsense, racism, nationalism, sexism, ... People find it comforting to claim superiority for their group, their beliefs, their morality, their sense of style, et cetera.

[@hisxmark]

@Naukumaija Mau-mau Well, to be fair, some religious folks are nearly sane, but when you combine religion with other forms of tribalism, nationalism, racism, sexism, it is almost almost always malignant. Mind you those other tribalisms can be quite malignant on their own, as can religion. What motivates all of them is the desire to have an elevated position of some hierarchy, even if that hierarchy is fictitious. Those who are average or below average in their perceived worlds are quite likely to claim some sort of superiority.

[@hisxmark]

@Naukumaija Mau-mau Well, once I realized that religion was a crock (The second grade, when Sister Raymond Francis, brought up "original sin" and "blood atonement"!) I pretty much lost my fear of hell, although I was rational enough to go along to get along. So I became an acolyte (altar boy) and later a choir boy, and learned my Latin patter, which I can still recite. I think most who give up religion do, eventually, give up hell too, although we might regret having no place to consign annoying hypocrites.

[@yichen1273]

Cat exists, have legs that can dance, but dancing cats: ridiculous. Invisible, omnipotent man in sky possessing my body: oh yeah that’s true

[@dukeemzworth3005]

05:17 - When Matt asks the caller "how to tell the difference between a real & fake encounter with the Holy Spirit" with example of the gold bracelet, Jose 'inadvertently' came out with the truth : "You do realize that requires me to think a little bit" ... demonstrating that Christians just accept their religious nonsense without even a little bit of thinking. LOL!

[@destronia123]

That's what their bible tells them to do. They must be totally ignorant like a child to be able to believe in the gospels.

[@guytheincognito4186]

@@destronia123 It even says so in their book. "Ye who doth not come to the lord with minds like children shall not be accepted into heaven" or something very close to that.

[@wabbajack2]

One of my favorite Matt goto lines: "Well, you're the one who called in to the show."

[@rylanasher4756]

Good catch, I just heard that part but didn't make the connection.

[@erl7466]

what theists need to realize is that Matt and many of the other cohosts represent exactly how we atheists feel about your tired arguments. show some respect and answer a question or please go the hell away, which is exactly why Matt shuts you down or hangs up. and we applaud. if you can’t prove what you believe, then stop trying to tell other people what to do with their lives or stop supporting those that do in the name of your common religion.

[@bobs182]

A great many people don't have the intellectual capacity for critical thinking in addition to being taught not to question/think. So many people can accept contradictions with no problem. Theism is a mental model/concept of the world which then replaces the world as reality. Instead of referring to the world for what is real, one just refers to their model.

[@gknight4719]

That is so funny , YOU ARE ASKING ME TO THINK ! HOW DO I DO THAT ? said Jose .

[@thierry860]

Matt is losing patience over the years... I don't blame him, I never had that patience for BS to begin with.

[@romankvapil9184]

No one should be nice to the other debater if they’re being dishonest fucks to them.

[@CronoXpono]

Roman Kvapil Bingo. Dishonesty is the absolute nadir of my kindness and consideration. Don’t mind aggressive argumentation or anything along those lines. But taking both sides of the same argument or refusing to actually answer the question at hand is the best way to get “prove it or piss off” Matt.

[@Dan_C604]

I agree with what Matt says but not the way he says it. Jim’s approach is more relaxed and more respectful.

[@romankvapil9184]

@@Dan_C604 Anyone that cares about having an honest debate and search for the truth, could care less about how it's said. That caller was being a lying shitweasel and refusing to answer the most simplest of questions because he knew that his script was crumbling before his very eyes. It's called not letting them off the hook and that's where being aggressive comes in. It's to not let shits like Jose get out of their corner and retake their dishonest narrative.

[@romankvapil9184]

@@CronoXpono Exactly. If they're going to treat me with that level of disrespect, I would have treated them the same way Matt had done and not let them out of the corner they had put themselves in. I refuse to let shitstains like Jose get away with trying to smear me like that.

[@andyoncam1]

Caller: (at 5.20) 'You understand that that requires me to think a little bit...' That would be probably be a first for the caller.

[@guytheincognito4186]

A first for any caller even. Lol

[@Heathen.Deity.]

Too right. He also accused Matt of asking all these questions like “boom boom boom”, when Matt had asked the grand total of exactly….. one question.

[@jeffreyballinger133]

I've always wanted to say this in a justified manner, "No way, Jose."

[@alexhetherington8028]

Ha ha ha Matt should have totally said that.

[@jeffreyballinger133]

@@alexhetherington8028 Oh yes. That would be sweet!

[@BB-so7ws]

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[@Beerglass1980]

🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣👍👍👍💯💯💯🤣

[@lightningbug3189]

You can't use telling someone else, "You are in denial," to prove that you are telling the truth or have evidence. A person being in denial or not being in denial about something is separate from how true your own statements are. Imagine if we allowed that kind of finger-pointing in court proceedings.

[@JamesRichardWiley]

What?

[@alexhetherington8028]

Yes. Judge - I declare defendant Guilty based on the fact that everyone in this room is in denial that the defendant has murdered.

[@grantwing4942]

"That's ridiculous". What a knob.

[@n0w3lly90]

This guy uses the "let's jump straight into emotional appeals/ I'm being bullied/ I'm a victim" type approach whenever he faces a straight question

[@TheRaven_200]

Because he knows he has no proof for his beliefs he was indoctrinated into fallowing. 🤣

[@BrickBuilder50]

The reason they get like this is because they know they don’t have an answer to the question and they’re just making them self look like an ass

[@charlesbruner4358]

*following

[@cade377]

"that requires me to think a little bit...." Probably the first time he's ever actually thought.

[@frankyjas5184]

I don’t think he ever started to think at all.

[@geezzerboy]

In 50's Catholic Elementary School, we used to call the Holy Ghost, Casper's Uncle.

[@jamielee7404]

It's really sad how that guy became so rude and hostile to Jim when Jim was actually doing something really nice, stepping in when Matt became too angry and actually trying to make this José feel more welcome. And the guy practically flips him🤦🏻‍♂️. What a weird reaction to kindness

[@cdogthehedgehog6923]

Religion tends to have that effect on rationality and kindness.

[@g-mony767]

A true christian!!!

[@GabeCoolwater]

This one really got on my nerves... "Oh no, Matt cornered me! I'm just gonna act like a victim now, saying he's trying to trick me and pretend I can read his mind and tell him he's in denial. That'll teach him!"

[@SpatialAndTemporalEvangelicals]

And In The End The Argument Went Nowhere, As Usual.

[@Exposing_Mark_Niemczyk]

In the end there WAS no real argument, just a baseless assertion with zero evidence, as usual.

[@DevilSlayr]

Atleast some thiest watchers learned a lesson and athiest watchers have one more debunk to use in any future debates. So not all was lost.

[@damienleigh9943]

But it WAS entertaining as fuck.

[@JamesRichardWiley]

Because it is imaginary. It takes place through words and words are not things.

[@DevilSlayr]

@Because I’m Batman!! thats why i said Some thiests learned a lesson. Im well aware that alot of thiest as completely deluded and beyond reaching when i comes to their religion. But there are still plenty of thiest that are capable of learning and changing their mind. Theres a reason the vast majority of atheists are Ex-thiests and its because of videos like these.

[@krisaaron5771]

Matt: "What evidence do you have that people have experienced the holy spirit?" Jose: "You know that requires me to think a bit." ...experiences butt-hurt, whines about being tricked, and immediately changes the subject

[@JamesRichardWiley]

Study William Lane Craig's Kalam argument to experience the Holy Spirit

[@timwelch3297]

sorry kris. the early church did not make a hard distinction between faith and works so the church would naturally just believe and get saved and be rewarded for doing works for him. the reformation made the distiction clear to avid confusion between faith and works. the law and the gospel. Luther and Calvin were both reformed they believed in justification thru faith alone in christ alone by grace alone. modern calvinsits departed from what John Calvin actually taught. goota do research

[@krisaaron5771]

@@timwelch3297 True. But what do Luther, Calvin and the early church have to do with evidence for the existence of a deity?

[@timwelch3297]

@@krisaaron5771 since you asked politely i will answer you to the best of my ability using logic. 1. John 1 1-14 they read the text with is propositional in nature. these are spiritual facts. IF the godhead ( God Jesus and the Holy spirit) do not exist the n no human being can explain the words being revealed.also if nothing exists including thsi basic premise the humna race is doomed. You can never explain the miracles. You can dismiss the entire narrative from Genesis to Revelation. its like saying its just abunch of fairy tale stories designed to keep moral without a sufficient SAvior. no hope, no meaning in life, no afterlife no judgment day just humans trying to more rational to just end up nowhere in afterlife. no offense ... THAT sucks !!!!

[@krisaaron5771]

@@timwelch3297 Using ancient text written by humans claiming "divine inspiration" isn't anything I consider to be evidence. I've read far better poetry than John 1 1-14, and more believable speculation about the afterlife than what appears in the bible. Respectfully, you'll really need to do better than that.

[@arthurunknown8972]

Nice closing summary by Matt.

[@noel090909]

“How the fuck can you say ‘go ahead’ and then start talking?” That made me laugh.

[@craighorton9398]

Jim will clarify things for you. Well done gentlemen.

[@LaurentGoderre]

Love the projection he is doing in calling you guys hostile when he is obviously the belligerent one.

[@ross-carlson]

Let's look at both claims Dancing cats: Cats are known to exist. Things are known to dance. One could confuse cats jumping around as "dancing" Disembodied spirit that is all powerful: We know of nothing that is disembodied yet has agency. We know of nothing that is all powerful. We know of no "spirits". Which is more plausible again?

[@Frynge357]

"hostile". if you interpret skepticism being applied to a statement and questions being asked as hostile, you may want to re-examine what you're actually thinking.

[@demonshaz]

Jose: "do you realise that this requires me to think a little bit" 🤣😂😭😵⚰

[@nameforcomments4092]

How the hell are callers always surprised and offended he wants evidence?

[@basstian]

Dunning-Kruger: We'd all love to think we're the exception. Some take it one step further and actually convince themselves they are.

[@JamesRichardWiley]

Jesus was offended because Thomas was skeptical. More psychological manipulation of children by the Christian agenda.

[@basstian]

Does that make JC a 1st century snowflake?

[@nameforcomments4092]

@@basstian He definitely went full Karen on the money changers that one time.

[@cy-one]

@@nameforcomments4092 Don't let us start on Jesus going full Karen. We do remember he _cursed a (literally) goddamn fig tree for not carrying fruit _*_out of season!_*

[@miketheman4341]

You can’t debate with people who don’t understand epistemology, scientific methodology, logic and reason. They simply can’t grasp these concepts and therefore don’t understand how they apply to this discussion! Mental institutions are full of people who think they are Napoleon or other similar historical figures. Does that mean they are actually Napoleon? Is there any version of reality in which they could be Napoleon?

[@AnonYMouse-ky4sg]

Steve Jovan I am Napoleon. Prove me wrong!

[@Calx9]

It's strange how every religious person makes the exact same epistemological mistakes. I never in all my life thought I'd be able to point to specific flaws and reasons why believers fall for religion. This channel has done nothing but help educated people and I'm so thankful.

[@kunwoolee8722]

The more I listen to this show, I realise the importance of education. I really think that education helps you to think/speak in a logical and skeptical manner. I dont know if it is a christian thing or a USA thing but it really amazes me how people cannot answer a simple question and how they cannot logical lay out their position. I believe that even if you have a bullshit idea if you can convince people your BS make sense then to me that is a valid argument. People please be educated (mathematics helps with logical reasoning and constructing ideas to get to the answer).

[@DCronk-qc6sn]

The war on education has been being waged since at least 1980 (November 2). We now live with the successes if that campaign. I hope that citizens wake up sooner than later...

[@davejann]

“Stop whining and prove me wrong.” Priceless.

[@meusana3681]

I call this the argument from "If you can feel like you can't know, then I can feel like I can know"

[@masterplusmargarita]

At one point, I experienced my glasses melting on my face. In that moment I *knew* for a *fact* that my glasses were melting. I remember thinking about how strange it was, I remember seeing the room distort through the glass as it melted, and I remember feeling the plastic rim drip on my foot - it was weirdly cool for molten plastic. I am currently wearing that pair of glasses, and they show no sign of having ever melted, but they *must* have, because I experienced it.

[@semi-automaticdooropened9007]

Sounds like some scp

[@buninparadise9476]

that was very very entertaining. Thanks

[@Mystrohan]

LOL. Jose's panicked "Hold on!" at 7:02 is hilarious.

[@FourDeuce01]

"Obviously, this question you're asking is to trip me up." No way, Jose. :p

[@Carolinacaveman]

Dude comes in with proof of the holy spirit loaded with accusations whining crying and insults. This is the church i remember. You ask a question "HOW DARE YOU INSULT ME AND GOD!?"

[@cjtjets5941]

I went to catholic school and in the forth grade I asked a question in the religious portion of our classes and was taken aside by my nun teacher and told we don't ask questions about our beliefs. I became an atheist in the forth grade

[@richdandanell2911]

When I hear people claim they had a personal experience with their god and want me to believe them . I'd say what about all the other religions who's followers claim just as fervently as you do that they're having personal experiences with their gods and spirits ? How can we tell who is really experiencing their god , they all can't be true . What evidence can you present that would show your alleged experiences stands apart from all the others and are the real ones . No theist has been able to mount any coherent response or offer any verifiable evidence and desperately tries to divert the argument to something else .

[@pauligrossinoz]

Yep. That's the bottom line. They want to invalidate other's equivalent experiences while also claiming that they, themselves, could not possibly be mistaken about what they imagined.

[@JamesRichardWiley]

Scientific materialism vs. make believe.

[@ChrisJia127]

How do they even get their experiences?

[@meloveAi]

"I'm gonna prove that you're wrong!" evidence: You're in denial.

[@JosephNordenbrockartistraction]

Matt thoroughly enjoyed this interaction. This made me laugh for once.

[@richardfraser5060]

Hmmm....well maybe Matt thoroughly enjoyed the interaction, but his obnoxious attitude does atheists absolutely zero favours. Question: How can you stop theists becoming atheists? Answer: By making them sit and talk with Matt for a few minutes, where they will be subjected to a hostility that emotionally saps the strength out of them!! 🤨😐😑😒😒😒

[@JosephNordenbrockartistraction]

@@richardfraser5060 He got me to laugh THAT'S a favor to this atheist during this global pandemic with orange boy squatting in the oval office.

[@richardfraser5060]

@@JosephNordenbrockartistraction I totally get what you're saying in relation to the current pandemic, we all need laughter to counteract all the negativity and fear that is plaguing the world. Keep laughing and stay safe 😄

[@richardfraser5060]

@John Wood Except that God is not imaginary. You keep regurgitating the same phrases, which get more and more tired every time you say them. Even so , I wish you all the best, especially in the ongoing pandemic. 😀

[@hannekebrunekreeft8088]

@@richardfraser5060 Heard it here first, is Richard Candy going to call in next week?

[@banonKING]

Dancing is a phenomena. Cats exist. Legs also exist. But I guess Jose is a fan of the animated Warner Bros. comedy "Cat's Don't Dance"

[@captainscarlett1]

I have three cats. One of them dances around my head when I go to bed. She trills and purrs and I pat her as she dances. Strange cat.

[@basstian]

At least she's not smelly.. hopefully!

[@GRAHFXENO]

I knew a man who was born and raised in Okinawa, Japan and immigrated to Canada who had a personal experience with the Goddess, Amaterasu, when he was a child where she saved his life. He swears that this happened. I also know someone who claims they spoke directly to Jesus about becoming a musician and spreading the word of Christ, granted 18 years later and he's still broke and playing music at retirement homes, but regardless, They both had spiritual experiences of their respective Gods. I'm willing the bet they each think the other one is mistaken. I happen to think they're both mistaken. I have an uncle that used to be Baptist and always said he spoke directly to God on several occasions. When he became an Atheist I asked him what could have caused him to think he was speaking to God, he answered "Oh that? Yeah, I completely made that up for attention. It worked, sadly, that's why I kept making those stories up" So you see how personal revelation is completely useless as evidence?

[@chrissonofpear1384]

Yes, it's both touching - and rather, rather tragic, too...

[@basstian]

Definitely a highlight of that ep!

[@triktrak_1451]

Jim, I've had the same multiple-cats-walking-across-my-bed at night thing too. Wide awake, eyes open. Dramatically vivid. Happened on many occasions (and made me laugh).

[@StrGzr101]

He needed to feel persecuted. He got his fix.

[@probablynotmyname8521]

Tv evangelists lie all the time, so how does the caller show that their experience is valid compared to them.

[@JamesRichardWiley]

I don't understand why the Holy Trinity won't arrange a prayer meeting on Fox News because that would finish off the atheists.

[@gracehunter9463]

@@JamesRichardWiley lmao

[@Plancton5000]

(Mortal Kombat voice) MATT DILLAHUNTY WINS! BRUTALITY

[@EctoBuzz]

I liked how Matt got fed up of the BS and settled the topic expeditiously. I guess I needed to see this. Showed me I'm not the only one who gets fed up and pissed off at the same old BS & overall intellectual dishonesty, then the never-ending logical fallacies shit parade, etc...

[@krishnav5122]

Matt: "Prove that I experienced Holy Spirit" Jose: "You are just denying it that you had that experience. You had the experience." Do theists think this is a mic drop moment for them or something?

[@amunek]

With Matt, it's hard not to interrupt sometimes when the caller makes assumptions or accusations about what was said or wasn't listening

[@Rage867]

Every time they asked him to provide an argument he claimed they were attacking him. I'm positive he has a cross in his living room so he can throw himself on it and play victim every time the doorbell rings.

[@paul-singhgurth1599]

I thought I did too when I was younger. Hightened emotional state. Nothing more.

[@arseniocalderon8090]

People experience the holy spirit until they meet Matt!!

[@annk.8750]

He has probably told that story in church, and has been believed and respected for it. He expected the same on this call, which only shows his unfamiliarity with any kind of skepticism at all.

[@duncanbryson1167]

Thoughts in your head and feelings in your chest are just thoughts in your head and feelings in your chest.

[@cjtjets5941]

Amen!!

[@ericwilliams1659]

"I felt it as being true". LMAO

[@alexhetherington8028]

When Matt was explaining about someone selling you a Gold watch on the street I was expecting him to say, how do you know if it's a real gold watch. The guy says well it feels like real Gold.

[@richardhedd3080]

When a christian talks about having a spiritual experience, they never think that Hindu's, Buddhists, and Muslims all say they've had similar experiences.

[@TheHydred]

I love Jim's dancing cats. The irony

[@ronholfly]

As you say provide a mechanism to be able to tell the difference between a real encounter with the holy spirit and a false one.Believers are so convinced they are right and yet they cannot answer the question. The trouble is with the spiritual experience is that up to now no one can prove any evidence of a spiritual experience. Why won't they admit it.

[@truthmachine1192]

Jose has experienced something and it has been explained to him in terms of the Holy Spirit. It is like speaking in tongues. If it is mind games then what we need is to take away the interpretation or projection and see the phenomenon for what it really is. It has got to be worth the effort, if only I had the time.

[@Mistoner1023]

Tfue automatically get so defensive when you start to ask about evidence for their beliefs and then they accuse you of trickery when they are the ones who have been tricked by

[@KintokiSan]

Caller got angry at "daring to compare his god to imaginary cats". And there it is. That is what theists can't wrap their heads around. To us, your belief in god(s) is *EXACTLY* the same as believing you have imaginary cats circling your legs and you have taken it upong yourselves to convince us that your imaginary cats exist. Good luck with that.

[@steelersguy74]

“We can’t”- then the conversation is over.

[@jkryanspark]

Two decades ago I was sued by a hospital for $5,700. In the pretrial hearing, the Judge kept interrupting what I thought was a well prepared and cogent argument I had rehearsed thoroughly in the time leading up to the hearing. Finally, frustrated and disgusted, I told the Judge that $5,700 was a lot of money, that I was certain I did not owe it, and I would fully appreciate 10 minutes of uninterrupted time to make my argument. To his credit, he agreed. The hack attorney for the plaintiff, tried to interrupt me, but the Judge stopped him every time. When I was done, the Judge apologized for having interrupted the first time around and called my argument the best job of lawyering he had heard in a long time. He admitted to having become so tired of hearing the same old cliched excuses from defendants that he'd simply stopped listening. Rather than direct a verdict in favor of the hospital, he set a date for a trial while suggestively indicating that I'd have no problem winning the case. I received a letter from the plaintiff later that week stating that they'd decided to drop the lawsuit. My point? I wish Matt would allow the callers a reasonable amount of uninterrupted time in which to state their case. I seriously doubt any of their arguments would lead to revelation, but Matt's need to control every conversation robs the listeners of hearing some seriously lunatic rants. And it's unfair to the caller. He assumes to know where every caller is going with their arguments, as had the Judge, at first, in my pretrial hearing. I'm an atheist. I understand that Matt is brilliant, but am I alone in wanting to hear what the callers have to say, in full?

[@skindred1888]

Not particularly. If you start the conversation by wanting to prove god is real through a personal experience, it's easy to quickly shut that down as...not everybody in a mental institute can be Elvis. Just because you feel something, doesn't make any of it true. If it takes 10 minutes for someone to finally admit that, there's not much hope for the rest. But yea i agree to a degree

[@T-41]

It is regrettable how people in “modern society “ continue to confuse their religious faith with verifiable facts, when religion is by definition-faith. But then they have been wrongly taught that religion is fact since they were children, often becoming an important part of their identity, world view, and culture .

[@smooth_sundaes5172]

I thought I'd experienced the holy spirit after an amazing curry once. Almost ripped the paper off the wall

[@geezzerboy]

Sounds like Jim had a bout of Restless Leg Syndrome, described in the latest DSM.

[@Nocturnalux]

I was once having a bath and heard my parents talking while my head was underwater. I couldn't make out the words because the water blurred sound but I was sure I was hearing two voices in conversation. So sure was I that as I was stepping out the bathroom, I began speaking to them as I headed toward the living room. At this point, I could no longer hear them but as still convinced I'd heard them. I stepped into the living room and no-one was there. I checked the rest of the apartment. They were nowhere to be found. Just then the front door opened and in they walk. It turns out that the conversation I was sure I'd heard was just water noises. For some reason, I detected a pattern that sounded like a conservation and latched onto it. All these experiences with "the holy spirit" sound remarkably like my experience.

[@scrogfpv7443]

The callers hate not being in control of the conversation. I love when you don’t let them.

[@frankyjas5184]

😂😂Damn. Jose got destroyed. Lmao!! Dude. You need to go do your homework. After a while I couldn’t help but to just feel bad for him. Poor Jose had nothing.

[@mercedeswalt6621]

I love how he immediately starts with that condescending huff out of his believing mouth.

[@ernestmac13]

Isn't Jose guilty of acting as a thought police, he is accusing Matt if knowingly having an experience and now being in denial. This is similar to someone accusing someone else of having sin in their heart. It's the mirror image of calling someone for the thoughts in their head and calling it sinful.

[@rtt3114]

Jose "that requires me to think a little" Good luck Jose

[@mykhalable9433]

With as many Christians that have opened their hearts, you would think there would be hell of a lot less of them from dying of blood loss.

[@ryanwiederstein702]

you two paired up rock!

[@tonydarcy1606]

Does my non-experience of being visited by the holy ghost mean anything to Jose ? (Probably not ) . Only his experiences count, eh ?

[@JamesRichardWiley]

Experiences count for nothing after death.

[@davidmathieson8661]

@@JamesRichardWiley exactly, upon the cessation of existence at death all experiences are ended

[@AquaPeet]

Or, my experience of not being visted by the holy ghost... I guess I wasn't trying hard enough. Or not sincere enough. Or (bullshit argument here).

[@alexhetherington8028]

@@AquaPeet I've experienced holy toast. Does that count ? Ha ha

[@Danelius90]

I think a lot of these holy spirit experiences are being caught up in the moment. When you see faith healing people are so swept up in the emotion of the event. Natural events like this occur too. When rioting broke out in the UK, people who were normal law abiding citizens acted in ways they never thought they could (feeling bad and returning the loot the following day). They described that they were caught up in the mob mentality and started behaving like others around them. I think every holy spirit experience can be boiled down to the above, emotional impulses and "wanting" to believe (I've been there, I expect a lot of former theists have) and/or mental illness

[@christopherseton-smith7404]

A trick question? You mean a question where an honest answer is being requested? Yeah that's a real tricky one.

[@craigkelly4278]

You can not tell this is just sad this is just what happens when you do not think for yourself

[@JamesRichardWiley]

Life is suffering. I need to escape. There is a knock on the door. It's Jesus and his magic kingdom.

[@NotALiberalSoSkipTheScript]

WHAT IS A HOLY SPIRIT?! How can we demonstrate it with peers? What’s it look like, what does it do, what is it made of, who made it, and why?

[@rstell589]

when i answered a multiple choice question... i really felt that the answer was A. but it wasn't... it was C. feelings aren't enough

[@DMalltheway]

The dude can’t even answer a simple question.

[@TheHeartlessFour]

Jose needs to work on his communication skills.

[@derrekchild60]

Jose is a perfect example of an apologist trying to stick to a script and control the conversation. Get an apologist of script and all hell breaks loose.

[@Thought.I.Was.Clever]

Didn’t take much to drive Jose over the edge!

[@spencerkimble3824]

Technology to read Matt’s mind? I don’t think I have the stomach for it

[@telsonater]

They just don’t get it. We’re not trying to trick them by asking these questions. We’re trying to point out that there’s a great big pitfall in the path of their logic, and they’re denying that it’s there, so we’re merely asking them to walk over the area with the pitfall to show us that it’s not actually there, but they jump over it, dance around it, but never actually do the thing!

[@conors4430]

The guy doesn’t realise that feeling something to be genuine doesn’t necessarily mean it is. The main problem being, there are plenty of people with similar experiences that felt completely genuine to them that are in complete contradiction to other people with genuine experiences. So how do we tell one from the other, that’s not a trick, that’s using your brain so you don’t get misled

[@kurman4749]

Let's face it, these people will NEVER be able to prove their claims.

[@WeirdWonderful]

@0:46: Because every other religion, cult and neopagan revival religion in the world has people who proclaim they have these exact same experiences vindicating their own personal belief as being true. The fact the US is where most people call from and the US is a Christian majority country religion wise means that very few Zoroastrians, Ásatrús, Hinduists or Shintoists get to call in but they have pretty much the exact same claims.

[@bobwilson3980]

The six magic words, “The Holy Spirit Revealed to Me.”.

[@TheSnoeedog]

caller - "....you realize that requires me to think a little bit..." audience - "Matt, I think it's time to lower the proverbial bar...."

[@HastyleRemixes]

lol the caller didn't even get to explain anything, he was stuck on conditioning the atmosphere first....

[@SFsc616171]

hi. according to matt's question, i am a former pentecostal who by their definiition and what i should have been feeling during that experience, did NOT have that connection with the boly spirit, i.e., no filling of the belly, no other languages flowinv out of my mouth.

[@jackylaibach2351]

Poor Jose, he is halfway to become an atheist but he is fighting so hard against that

[@steveswangler6373]

I get the idea that, as with most theist callers, Jose spends most of his tune around people that believe as he does and they are programmed to just accept what they are told by their religious authorities and to never actually think about it. Never question, never accept that there is other possibilities. Ergo, when they get asked to think, they can’t do it and they feel as if they are being picked on.