Experimental Character Showcase - Shugenja

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Storytellers for this game: Ben Burns & Edd Gabriel
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Intro visuals created by Jon from Luke & Dad Productions / @vfx_jon
Intro music - Private Reflection by Kevin MacLeod (incompetech.com)
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Night Phase music - Time Passes by Kevin MacLeod (incompetech.com)
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Other music by Karl Casey ‪@WhiteBatAudio‬
--CHAPTERS--
0:00:00 - Character Reveal
0:05:33 - Game Setup
0:07:57 - Night 1
0:19:20 - Day 1
0:35:43 - Night 2
0:44:06 - Day 2
0:53:55 - Night 3
1:01:24 - Day 3
1:13:10 - Night 4
1:15:113 - Day 4
1:22:27 - Night 5
1:23:49 - Day 5

[@berdyie]

I love these character showcase games, but I especially love when you guys talk about how you made the character or what previous versions of the character existed. This probably sounds silly, but as someone who loves to homebrew and is currently trying to make my own entire homebrew script (which is really difficult!), I love to see what goes into the mindset of making a character and what does/doesn't work.

[@analuizafelixdesouza6336]

That doesn't sound silly at all

[@kyleb8117]

I think the design aspect is really interesting in general. I've made a couple homebrew characters, but I couldn't imagine doing a whole set because of how much you really need to test the characters and consider things like how Shugenja was broken in its original form. My favorite character I made was actually very broken. I intended for it to be broken but not on the level that it was. It went from being an every day ability to a first day ability.

[@q-tuber7034]

“Let’s just take a step back and calm down. And then panic a lot.”

[@wjhull]

Re: the Chromacam thing: The support URL is backwards because most teleconferencing software (Zoom, Google Meet, etc) mirrors the image in your preview, so the URL needs to be flipped to read properly on your screen. (Also, if you want to weird yourself out, go into your settings and disable the mirroring. It feels super weird.)

[@Ellie-rx3jt]

Literally the third "shugenja" game I've seen on KZbin, and it's been actually in play zero times 😂🤦🏻‍♀️

[@Dragoninja26]

second one for me and it was in play in the first one, sounds like a fun experience though

[@sprinklesandwrinkles]

I searched this game up after a saw some of the people on the hermitcraft server playing. Ive been binging alot and think I got the hang on all the roles now! Very entertaining! Thanks guys!

[@Zedja]

I said on the latest ZombieCleo video that I hoped she would some day turn up in one of the games on this channel.

[@sprinklesandwrinkles]

@@Zedja yes that would be fun!

[@Zedja]

@@3thanguy7 I've been watching Hermitcraft for years, but I watched this channel before they ever did anything with this game over there.

[@bennytyty]

Woah, where can I see the hermits playing BotC? I pretty much only watch Etho these days.

[@sprinklesandwrinkles]

@@bennytyty ive seen it on hypnos and geminis second channels, and I think its on Cleos main ✌️

[@Tribdinosaur]

Oooh! The amnesiac tease! I’ve never seen this character before…excited to see how it acts with the rest of town. Kinda like a pointed Empath mixed with Clockmaker.

[@q-tuber7034]

Great game. And can I say, I love that the meta has evolved to the point where the evil team can just convene for a private chat on Day 1 and Day 2 and nobody blinks.

[@RoderickEtheria]

There are actually three possible ways for a new Demon to come into effect in this game. 1)Fang Gu jump. 2)Barber swap. 3)Scarlet Woman.

[@Yaseenicus]

Imp starpass

[@RoderickEtheria]

@yxseen.szn_ How Imp Starpass? There's no Imp, and nothing is changing which Demon you have. I said game, not script.

[@ladygeneveve3805]

Barber doesnt create a demon it just moves it

[@kyleb8117]

@@ladygeneveve3805 As Ben points out in the video, creating a new instance of the Demon from a Barber swap is creating a new Demon. When the player becomes the Demon, they are a new instance of it (i.e. they are created).

[@RoderickEtheria]

@ladygeneveve3805 It creates a new instance of the same Demon. Whenever roles switch hands, it creates a new instance of the roles.

[@samc30786]

"2 Shugenjas coming up" 🤣🤣 great game

[@L2Sentinel]

Shugenja is one of the core character types in an old game I used to play (L5R), and I played the faction that specialized in them. Never thought I'd see them in BotC, but I'm excited to see it.

[@zealot2147]

Omg I forgot about L5R I never got into it bc I had a hard time just getting it but it was a great design

[@kyleb8117]

Maybe that's why the name sounded familiar to me. I played L5R for a very brief time and had barely any cards of it, so I'm not really 100% sure if that's where I originally heard it from. Maybe there's a Magic: the Gathering card with it.

[@fishgarden7784]

28:55 "Red herring? Lyra is blue hairing." I see you, Twitch chat user, and I laugh.

[@katherinek6166]

Got to play this script at the Big Bad Con. The Shugenja information made things more confusing due to night one Fang Gu jump. It was great!

[@jonn3786]

Not to be "that guy" but I think you mean night 2.

[@TheJillers]

​@@jonn3786I know that that's the vocabulary but me and my friends have been calling night 1 night 0 for years now and it's a hard habit to break. This person might have a similar experience. Or just made a mistake.

[@emdivine]

@@TheJillers always fun to see the old 0-index vs 1-index counting debate alive and well outside strictly programming circles :)

[@katherinek6166]

@@jonn3786 Yeah, technically night 2 is correct. I'm also one of the people in the habit of starting the count with night zero.

[@kyleb8117]

I really love how the stars aligned for this, and there were a lot of great funny moments like the timing on Jams disconnecting. Great game.

[@Drjos]

Having 3 shugenja should be a sangenja

[@kyleb8117]

A Cobbler creating a secret compartment for weed creates a Shoeganja.

[@justicedinosaur7302]

And they all live in Sangenjaya?

[@RoderickEtheria]

Well, at least this time a Snake Charmer won't take out the showing of the Shugenja.

[@Moleoflands]

@1:25:08 sudden assassination is op tbh 🤣

[@masterjbt]

Oh hold on-

[@Zedja]

When Ben said it was a long time since Patryk was on the channel I thought I would say the same about that scoundrel Nicky. He if anyone made sure to update chat of what was going on.

[@myohel0]

Nicky has been in some of recent live games that weren't uploaded to KZbin (like I believe he was on a couple of games the week before this Shugenja game).

[@Zedja]

@@myohel0 Thanks for the info. I refuse to watch Twitch other than one specific channel, so I wouldn't have known.

[@WukongTheMonkeyKing]

Weirdly I have now seen two Shugenja reveal games, and it was a bluff in both. I haven't actually seen a Shugenja townsfolk yet.

[@Ellie-rx3jt]

This is the third I've seen, and same.

[@Zedja]

I've seen 2 games before this one. One was with a bluff and in the second the player was turned into the Drunk.

[@WukongTheMonkeyKing]

@@Ellie-rx3jt not... the best start for a new role...

[@maskedmadness7102]

@@WukongTheMonkeyKing Patter's game had an actual shugenja. Was fun seeing how that player used it as a pseudo empath too kzbin.info/www/bejne/mXykh4Wohaxgn8U

[@Ellie-rx3jt]

​@@WukongTheMonkeyKing Just seen a fourth where it actually was in play, but it was a vortox game and they didn't work out if it was or was not a vortox so the information was pretty much useless. Think it's some kind of curse 😂

[@celestialTangle]

would an evil Shugenja learn a zero, and thus their information would always be arbitrary?

[@MILOEBA]

an evil shugenja would learn the closest evil to tgem. they arent counted, id assume

[@RoderickEtheria]

They'd learn clockwise or counter-clockwise, not a number.

[@comp.lex4]

The most fun way for this to work is for the shugenja not to register themselves, imo

[@altrivotzck6565]

Evil townsfolk with abilities that let them locate their team members are more fun imo, so it shouldn't count itself.

[@celestialTangle]

I suppose a Shugenja isn't anticlockwise or clockwise from themselves, so they wouldn't register as the "nearest" evil player - although, does a (sober and healthy) Clockmaker learn a zero in a Legion, Riot or Lil' Monsta game, or do they learn the shortest nonzero distance between a Demon-Minion pair?

[@GordonHugenay]

Obligatory comment complaining about treating the Sailor like an Outsider and not a Townsfolk.

[@ryoryo9936]

Wait, BOTC has a Tokyo group?!?! I had no idea that there were people who play this game here.

[@ZekeBittersweet]

That was an awesome game!

[@cloudsRniceC0M3]

I played as demon last night sitting next to shugenja... I was struggling bro, target on my ass 24/7

[@Coldheart322]

Purely from a perspective of having watched games, rather than having played in any, I really feel sorry for Sailors. Their ability feels more like an outsider's due to how often it seems to help the evil team more than the good team, and this game kinda highlighted that idea. The sailor could have made the Harpy drunk night 1, but the ST made the sailor drunk instead. having looked at how the Sailor works, this seems reasonable. Then near the end when the sailor picked a living Towns Folk, the ST initially made the TF drunk. The sailor then got Harpy'd, the other player got killed by the demon, and the ST decided to reverse their decision and made the sailor drunk. The sailor then breaks madness thinking they had a chance of being unkillable, and killed two good players speeding up the end of the game. I'm not sure I've seen a game where the Sailor had any positive impact. Mainly as when the sailor dies, very rarely are they able to assume anything given how often they are made drunk regardless of who they picked the previous night. I'm not even sure if I've seen the Sailor survive death because of how often they are drunk when it mattered. It's hard to fly under the radar as a sailor, as you want your targets to know they might have drunk info, but once you are known, evil can largely ignore you. I'd love to see a game where the Sailor is actually useful, and I can see why it is hard because it requires good play by both the player and the ST. But currently I pity good teams with the secret outsider in their midst.

[@DudePossum]

Big brain play: on 5 players remaining, Lyra chooses herself in the night, and passes the Fang Gu to Patryk (Scarlet Woman). Oracle gets a 3, everyone starts thinking Vortox? Throws shade on the madness-break from Emma.

[@DelTashlin]

Okay. I now want there to be an atheist script called "Oops, All Monks", where all the TF are monks, but there is still a porpotional evil team. Or even just one demon.

[@wordsonplay]

The "Shugenja + Pixie" bluff was very dangerous. As soon it became clear that Patters was lying, Patryk's claim should have been immediately suspect.

[@emmacone-roddy762]

Yeah. Unfortunately I don’t think jams and I ever talked and I knew patryk’s info was bad and jams knew patters was lying we just didn’t put it together until late sigh.

[@wordsonplay]

@@emmacone-roddy762 Yeah, thinks often look different on the ground.

[@celestialTangle]

Since a Shugenja with two equidistant Evil Neighbours cannot learn false info, how does it work in a Vortox game?

[@q-tuber7034]

If there are two nearest Evils, any statement about “the nearest evil” (singular) is technically false.

[@TrulySomeone]

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[@Ellie-rx3jt]

Surely the most helpful person for the high priestess to talk to on day one is the sailor who picked the harpy? Or possibly the seamstress who picked two evil players on night one? A knight who saw a scarlet woman (who is likely to become the demon) and the high priestess (who already knows they themselves aren't the demon) seems very unhelpful 🤔

[@BloodontheClocktower]

But one of those two people the Knight saw was the High Priestess. Two players who's info is clearing one another being able to come together and learn that is hugely powerful! Remember, the ability isn't 'learn who got the best info last night', the ability is 'learn who the ST thinks you should speak to'. - Ben