Experimental Snapshot 3 - Terrain & Mob Spawning Changes! ▫ Minecraft 1.18 Caves & Cliffs Update

[@ManosSef]

Not many people know this, but due to the way feature generation in ocean biomes works, if a patch of dirt were to generate in an ocean biome, trees are able to be placed on it, even though it is an ocean. This explains the tree Pix found on an iceberg (frozen ocean).

[@jxzh_1]

Its also like this with lush caves (at least on bedrock) theres azalea trees in aquifers and the middle of huge underwater caves, i personally find this hilarious, not really stupid or anything, its just funny to see trees underwater

[@ManosSef]

@@jxzh_1 azalea trees are different. An azalea tree feature contains the tree itself and its root system. The feature starts generating down where the lush cave is, and places rooted dirt above that all the way until it finds air or water with nothing else above it, where it will place the azalea tree. This makes sure that azalea trees can spawn on the surface no matter what biome there is. But as I said, it can be in water. So that's why azalea trees can spawn in water. Same goes for swamp trees since 1.17.

[@jxzh_1]

@@ManosSef oh

[@Zawnpuia1640]

16:24 is that butterfly? Nah, it's rabbit 🐰🐇

[@moose8846]

Lol I kinda love that

[@rootyful]

That mushroom island with the lush cave is my dream location. Hope this generation survives until the full 1.18. release because I'll definitely be snagging that seed

[@randominternetguy3537]

As long as lush caves generate in mooshroom biomes in the final version, you can use biome finder to find mooshroom biomes, then lush caves within.

[@theemeraldfox2036]

That would be an amazing feature, if they always spawned there.

[@nixnowt]

You can create a world now in the experimental 3 and generate those chunks in that version just in case, and then you dont play anymore until the full release so u can generate new chunks nearby with all the updated features.

[@nixnowt]

@@DominikGuzowski Yeah thats why I said just in case, I mean, we never know

[@fractal_fantasymc2197]

I think that reintroducing the temperature gradient is a huge improvement to the terrain generation. Now the worlds really feel more natural and less immersion breaking

[@walk-monkey]

I don't think temperature belongs in the game. It's cool having a desert beside a snow biome.

[@fractal_fantasymc2197]

@@walk-monkey I'm not saying that Minecraft should be realistic. I just personally feel that the generation from this snapshot is the best one so far Also cold biomes can still appear near the warm ones. It is just more rare

[@tamarren6575]

@@walk-monkey no, it isn't. Period. Some common sense should be in the game, even if it's Minecraft

[@Dracule0117]

Can we take a minute and appreciate Mojang's continued commitment to Minecraft? Exploring these experimental snapshots really gives us some insight into just how huge and complex the caves & cliffs update really is. And that for a game that some of us have been playing for over a decade now. That kind of continued development for a single game by a commercial studio is all but unheard of. The only thing I can think of off hand that is similar would be WoW, and even that is more about a content pipeline than it is about full on continued game development.

[@allerasthesphinx7184]

Yeah but the WoW expansions aren’t really new content as much as they are a way for blizzard to trick people into doing the exact same thing but with a different theme, until their progress is inevitably wiped and they get to grind gear again and again, paying the subscription fee all the while. Although it isn’t like Minecraft is introducing that many new mechanics either, if you’re even a small member of the Minecraft modding community, you'd realize how little content mojang has released compared to the massive amount of features that exist in mods. Mods three times as large as the caves and cliffs update are developed in a few months by a team of 10 people doing it in their free time, compared to mojang taking years while having 20 times the resources. That’s the one thing they could take from blizzard, looking at content the community makes, and if it’s extremely popular than remaking it as source material. They could save themselves so much effort too, by just checking out well known, vanilla themed mods, and packing them onto the game for a free expansion.

[@justaguy2183]

@@allerasthesphinx7184 1.17 and 1.18 combined could compete with most mods. After all, both versions form part of a giant update that makes a lot of mods feel small, for instance, 1.18 already surpasses yung's better caves and quark's caves and it's starting to get even better than terraforged itself, and 1.17 added 107 new blocks in total. 1.18 might even add even more blocks aside from the deep dark biome and might add some few more biomes. So in conclusion, the caves and cliffs update isn't getting few content and is getting a massive overhaul that will change the way the game looks in terms of generation.

[@allerasthesphinx7184]

Sure terraforged alone wouldn’t stand against 1.17 and 1.18 together. But if you combined it with biomes o plenty, wich is a synergy intended by the authors, then you get a massive overworld overhaul, that dwarfs caves and cliffs in comparison. Also O the biomes you’ll go and travelers delight are strong competitors as well. Even William wythers overhauled overworld (wich already has the 1.18 caves in an add on) is as good as the update will be, with the key difference being that it’s been out for a month while 1.18 is still gonna be a while.

[@user-tzzglsstle585e38]

@@justaguy2183 And all of that (among other stuff like making performance playable for most devices, making updates as identical for both versions as much as possible and other nuances) are currently done in less than a year, where I can assure you that Terraforged did not just take 1 month to complete or even a year, same with the other mentioned mods which have been sitting there for years which doesn't even look as great.

[@justaguy2183]

@@allerasthesphinx7184 And that's because 1.18 uses multi-noise for its biome placement, which is 5-dimensional coordinates. That's the reason why 1.18 is using experimental snapshots and not regular snapshots and why there are microbiomes in the first place. Another reason why it's taking long is because 1.18 is receiving feedback so it can be polished and run smoother, if 1.18 were to be released today, it would be badly optimized. Also, I think that 1.18 with Biomes o' Plenty will look even better than terraforged and Biomes o' Plenty combined, since 1.18 introduces those said microbiomes which gives the world a lot of variation.

[@rootyful]

Seeing that sprawling lush cave reminds me of the amethyst cave concept arts.... I wonder if they'll ever give those another go. It would look incredible seeing that whole area covered in purple crystals, not just a tiny geode

[@brickstonesonn9276]

I think what they could also do with the iron scarcity is maybe make something like chainmail craftable with iron nuggets or something. Because I actually like how scarce surface iron is because it extends the early game of Minecraft & also makes it a little more challenging, which is great because early game is next to non-existent right now. You can easily get to the mid game in two to three days without having to worry about surviving the early game & stuff. The only problem with iron scarcity is that, although it extends the early game & makes it more challenging, it also makes the transition from early game to mid game TOO challenging. Craftable chainmail armor using iron nuggets should help with that issue, but without removing this extension of the early game that's happening.

[@xxrmax]

i totally agree. also, leather armor is supposed to be there for early game but iron is way easier to get pfft.

[@isabellahe9377]

@@xxrmax Ikr!

[@isabellahe9377]

Though I'll have to take a while to get used to wearing chainmail. I don't think I've ever worn it before.

[@brickstonesonn9276]

@@xxrmax yeah it's kinda funny that it's easier to get iron armor than leather armor lol

[@717UT]

The chainmail change is a fantastic idea

[@Timeno123]

Would also be nice to have palm trees in a beach biome to distinguish it between desert and beach

[@hamzamalik7851]

Well in one of the mob votes mojang confirmed that the other features which did not win the vote will also be added soon this includes an update to deserts (Palm trees, a new type of cactus with a pink flower on them, a new mob I believe its squirrel like I don't know the name)

[@madhavagarwal2705]

@@hamzamalik7851 it's meerkat

[@UCparsa]

You know Mojang has done a good job when Pixlriffs turns into a National Geographic commentator and just admires the beauty here and there

[@serengrant]

it could be interesting for them to make "mushroomified" caves underneath mushroom islands with mycelium and more mushrooms as well as no mob spawns instead of the sort of sudden change from mob spawns to none

[@stevedendera]

I'm really enjoying these experimental snapshot videos you're doing Pix. Survival approach gives an actual perspective. Great stuff as always!

[@leadharsh0616]

True. The mesa in first and Savannah on second look so much better in survival then they would while flying. I hope that they don't change this. Though it seems like Henrik (the generation main dev) is on the same page as us as he usually asks for feedback in survival. Being a dev he probably understands the significance of survival perspective vs creative perspective.

[@capsey_]

This is so trippy seeing same landscape with different biomes

[@kevinh6008]

Anyone else think that there are too many biomes in too small of an area? It was more challenging when you had to travel long distances to find resources in a certain biome. I hope they change this. I do like having minibiomes, but make them more rare, and make sure that one biome is dominant in any area.

[@Wordfishtrombone]

This is so exciting. After purposefully not exploring my main world to “preserve” the world generation I’m going to zoom off like a MarioKart turbo start once pt. 2 is released.

[@maxattack3853]

Remember don't expect this in 1.18 these are expiremental

[@tamarren6575]

Just make a new world. You can import your old builds as schematics with a mod, super easy

[@ModrunOfficial]

@@tamarren6575 what mod or how exactly? i have a bunch of outdated worlds with huge builds i wanna move over to a creative world server

[@tamarren6575]

@@ModrunOfficial If I remember correctly there are two options out there (may be more): worldedit and mcedit. I have used fabric and worldedit in the past. For the exact way how to make your builds into schematics there are many well done youtube videos which explain in much more detail than I could ever do here in text, just search for "copy builds from one world to another" or something similar. If you need assistance in installing fabric, don't worry, I also used a youtube tutorial on how to install fabric and subsequently worldedit, it worked like a charm. Edit: I don't know how huge your builds are, but in case your game crashes when trying to make a schematic, just "cut" the build in half and make two or more schematics out of it, nothing will be lost.

[@lusciouslocks8790]

I didn’t even know mob spawning depended on height on the first place! I always though my sky mob grinders were so slow because I didn’t have a massive number of layers, but it makes a lot more sense now 🤦‍♂️ (Been playing since 1.2.5 by the way, and I’m a fan of CTM maps (though I haven’t made any myself), so I’m genuinely surprised I didn’t know this… I’m glad they’re changing it! Not because it’s better this way but because I suspect a lot of the playerbase didn’t know this either and I’m salty XD)

[@camfalafranca800]

Not many people look into the technical side, and I'm kinda the same but it does not diminish our quality of play

[@lusciouslocks8790]

@ImFrostbitten interesting! I didn’t know that either

[@Jansenbaker]

I didn't know it was that way, and I still don't even understand what it did, or what's different. I came across Kingbdogz asking what everyone thought of the change, and it blindsided me, I thought I had read everything in the changelog. And then he was talking to someone else in the replies section about some aspect of it that sounded like nothing I'd understood.

[@Jansenbaker]

Basically, how does changing mobs spawning height affect anything? Don't you still have to be a certain distance away from the ground so no extra mobs spawn?

[@lusciouslocks8790]

@@Jansenbaker I’m not really sure. I think you still need to be isolated so that mobs don’t try and spawn in other areas, but I guess there was another height component in addition to that before?

[@elliotdecess2948]

I really enjoy the side-to-side comparisons. Happy to see that they’re making the temperature similarity more relevant to terrain.

[@sreelajak]

I dont like the fact the small patches of badlands spawn everywhere

[@Saitama-gm9fv]

Egg

[@Raining4rain]

not supposed to be everywhere just on large cliffs, similar to stuff in real life

[@sreelajak]

@@Raining4rain oh

[@RekaCath]

I actually really like it. I avoid using terracotta because I simply don't have any as there's no badlands anywhere close to my base. This will allow me to get it more easily.

[@thechosenone6621]

The perfect betrayal doesn't exist. Pixlriffs- Stabs rabbits by showing them dandelions.

[@lusciouslocks8790]

25:49 I can’t confirm because, well, I don’t know, but I would guess that ocean biomes and land biomes are being married in these experimental snapshots, at least regarding temperature. The reason they were separate from 1.13-1-17 was specifically to avoid changing the land biome generation. Since they’re rebuilding biome distribution from the ground up, there’s no reason to keep them split apart. As I understand it, Mojang is using the random noise generator they used in the Nether Update for the new biome placement, which _should_ have enough parameters to allow ocean biomes and land biomes into the same mix. It’s of course possible that they’re still split up- I just wanted to give my thoughts 28:43 or maybe not 😅😅😅

[@StraightShooter01]

I never thought mob spawning should be affected by altitude at all so I welcome this adjustment.

[@phoenixbird5251]

They made jungles and mesa less rare , I always struggled finding these which is good .

[@Sevntimes]

Me too!!! And i dont wish to use the seed apps to find out whats around me

[@phoenixbird5251]

@@Sevntimes getting terracotta and bamboo will be easier now

[@christianlauren5883]

@@phoenixbird5251 yeh bamboo are just what i want in jungle biome for scaffolding

[@yellowfridge42]

DAM gold farms on the nether roof are about to become EVN MORE OP

[@yellowfridge42]

@@bhaadmejao123 most gold farms are built at around y=160 - y=200. prior to this snapshot, spawn rates used to be better lower down in the world, but now, all places spawn around the same as y=64 would have, upping the efficiency of any farm above y=64 (also lowering the efficiency of any farms below y=64) as gold farms (which are already pretty OP) are generally built above y=64, their efficiency will get better.

[@un_realekztermin80r]

Nether Roof Gold Farm: BUFF Bedrock Level Enderman Farm: NERF Edit:(bedrock level means bottom of the world/end)

[@navihp]

It does not get more powerful it just requires less spawning spaces

[@vvcreative2628]

@@un_realekztermin80r this change won't affect Enderman farm much if you're building one over the void, away from the main islands.

[@un_realekztermin80r]

@@pradeepbaisakh2024 I meant enderman farms that are ALREADY built at the bottom of the world (to take advantage of the current spawn mechanics) won't get as much rates as they used to. It might not be as significant because the nether ceiling is way further from y-64 than the minimum build height in the end (y-0), but it's still a nerf nonetheless.

[@TheBuildMiner210]

I love the look of that lush cave below a mushroom island but I wish that it wouldn't "destroy" the "no mob spawning" mechanics that would normally be there

[@jodoknight1571]

That Lush cave biome is amazing! Question how do the spawners work in the snapshots do they generate only in the traditional levels or do they generate in all Heights and depths?

[@tubeminer1325]

I really like some of the generation of the second world. I would say Mojang is making progress with these experimental snapshots.

[@shammaah411]

I feel like with changing the spawning algorithm Mojang took out a huge chunk of endgame (or depth, quite literally) from the game. While making no noticable change to the casual survival player, this change removes 8-10 years of progress made by the technical community improving mob farms, creating the perfect conditions and figuring out the ins-and-outs of the most efficient way to farm mobs. Minecraft's charm for me is that there is always more to learn and room to improve. I've only started playing 2 years ago, and it's the time now that I started discovering the possibilities and learning about optimizing farms. I'd honestly play hundreds of hours less if mob spawning was unified and you'd only need a stone platform on build limit to make the best farm possible. With all that said, this is just some thoughts of a fellow Minecraft player, feel free to correct me and/or start a discussion in replies. And if you read this all, you're cool, have a great day!

[@ManosSef]

I did read this all, thanks!

[@bobdagranny7431]

this is so true!!! I'm so glad that theres someone else in this video's comments except for me who goes on long rants and explains why the change is terrible lmao!

[@shammaah411]

@@tonyzamora5529 I think you're missing my main point, it's not at all about perimeters. It is about farm designs, creativity, effort, optimization and reward for the time you put in. With the new spawning algorithm, none of that is needed anymore. You pillar up, make a platform, flush it from time to time and thats it, the most efficient farm possible. Nothing to improve, nothing to innovate or to be creative about. With the old system, however, if you put in effort to light up caves you could get up to 64x the spawns low down in the world than on the surface (the old surface/y=64 spawning rates are equal to the global 1.18 exp.3 rates), and you had to be creative with the killing solution because the mobcap would be filled almost immediately, ruining efficiency. This effort you put in was rewarded with a lot more drops than the lazy go-up-and-afk-more way. And about the perimiter you mentioned, the new moss spreading mechanic is a very good way to get to the bottom of the world. And world eaters exist too. Not many people have built perimeters before, but the ones who did it will probably do it again, invest their time for the reward of getting a fast farm and good rates, leaving them with more time to work on the other aspects of the game.

[@PunchPunchPunchPunch]

I like the change, as most players do not have the time to spent 24+ hours on a single project, and after a while the practicality of building a 24+ hour project in a single *video game* out ways the rates that someone could get in said *video game* .

[@bobdagranny7431]

@@PunchPunchPunchPunch but those people don't even notice the change!! It doesnt matter to them at all

[@lolPoroa]

I was planning on making a city filled with farms, every mob spawn changes they made makes it alot better for me

[@Sarcassia_Blake]

I'm so happy you included the lush cave surface generation from snapshot 2. I really was wondering if it's still there and hope that it'll be there 'till the end :) Are you planning on checking back every time there's a new snapshot?

[@Pixlriffs]

If the snapshot feels significant, yes. I'm covering every change to terrain because it has the potential to change how survival Minecraft feels.

[@comieodor]

Your final side-by-side snapshot has an amazing island not far from the lush cave cut into the river (-1150, 80, 183). It has a huge cave cut into the side of it; which in snapshot 2 had a mineshaft with a path down to an enourmous lava pool over deepslate. You could follow a lavafall over the edge of the lake down to another giant cavern that sat underneat the lava lake (the perfect place for a deep underground Nether Portal). It's the best landscape I've ever seen in Minecraft. Unfortinately in Snapshot 3, the biginning of the cave is still there, but the mineshaft is not, its location is underwater and I'm unable to find the lava lake :(

[@JuliaFerreira-zr7pq]

Can't wait to see Pixl playing in one of those amazing lush cave generations. Honestly the one under the mushroom island gave me total dystopian underground society vibes and I hope he goes back to it someday to actually play in it, survival or not even.

[@_iixoraa]

Can we just appreciate this man(pix)makes videos almost everyday and he has 4 different series. (Pls tell me if i missed a series)

[@aashishsharma2385]

Hardcore, empires,rtx what's the fourth ONE

[@legendracer4861]

@@aashishsharma2385 yh, u r ryt...

[@windquake8672]

@@aashishsharma2385 the mc news series xd your watching it rn

[@rohita06]

@@aashishsharma2385 The Hardcore Survival Guide, The Empires SMP, The RTX Survival Guide, The Hermitcraft Recap, and also the Review of different Snapshots, and The Spawn Chunks Podcast. I guess you could say he does *5* series, correct me if I am wrong.

[@_iixoraa]

I think all of us are correct it is just some of the series pix focuses more on the main 4 or 5

[@horos02]

I like this new generation but i think with all the biomes that we have now, they should implement back the 1.0-1.6 continental generation. The thing that most players and myself hated about that generation was not the generation itself but the lack of diversity, the oceans were flat, less deep and empty, the land was really boring and repetitive with something like 10 biomes.. imagine NOW exploring and mapping the entire continent with all the biomes and structures we have now and building towns and cities on it and connecting them, then exploring the big oceans to find icebergs, coral reefs, temples, sunken ships, mushroom islands and other big or small islands with different biomes and structures on it. Mojang is doing really well with the recent updates but think about it, the average player doesn't go far away from the spawn and he doesn't go further simply because there is no need for doing that, you can find everything near spawn and there is only one structure that usually generates far away and it's useless (the mansion). Now in 1.17 we have a lot of options for moving fast in the world, elytras, nether ice roads for boats, ender pearl cannons, we have everything we possibly need for exploring a big world and yet the minecraft world is big but at the same time small because it's all near spawn.

[@maulikbishwokarma6034]

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[@BillyOatmeal]

The only reason I stop exploring is because the world gets too big on my hard drive.

[@Mae_Dastardly]

Yesssss. I miss the old oceans so much.

[@jamesscalzo3033]

Loved the video @Pixlriffs! Can't wait for the next video of Hardcore Survival guide or Empires SMP! If you ever get the chance, make a Loom and make a Banner for Pixandria! I left two possible designs on your 4th episode of Empires, but in case you haven't had the chance to look at it here they are below. Pixandrian Republic Banner: Take a Yellow Banner and some Brown dye and use the Top-down Gradient pattern, then Repeat but with the Bottom-up Gradient pattern instead. Next, take some Red Dye and use the Left Stripe pattern. Then, Take some Cyan dye and use the Right Stripe pattern. Finally, take some Yellow dye and use the Roundel Pattern on it, and now you have the Banner of the Pixandrian Republic! Pixandrian Empire Banner: for this, you'll want to follow the instructions for the Pixandrian Republic Banner. However, just before you start to add the Stripes in, use a Red Flower Charge so that the Stripes can cover the sides and make it look like a nice bit of detailing or something. To be honest, I based these off of the Iranian Republic and Empire Flags as Iran is Desert terrain as is Pixandria. Hope you like the idea and I'll catch you in your next video!

[@piranha5211]

Careful with comparisons of Minecraft biomes and their (largely useless) temperature and supposed aridity with the real world -- there are cold deserts (the Gobi can get down to -40C in winter), it snows in Badlands National Park, and tropical savannas have monsoons. I love that the micro biomes are back. I saw several sealevel caves too, and I really like them. As for the mob spawning changes, while I am semi-technical, especially as regards automation and redstone contraptions, I am not technical as in SciCraft. I am agnostic about the change; it's all the same to me. And if it makes more sense to new players, that's good. I am pretty sure there are still plenty of technical aspects to discover in order to satisfy more technical players, but I am sure they'll be educating me on it on their own channels. ;)

[@spencerjones7809]

I think that the mob spawning changes are not very conducive to a difficult fighting experience lower in the world. I have always thought that the lower in the world the more deadly it should be and the old mobspawning rules went along with that well. This would also be helpful for making the deepdark a much scarier place. But overall I understand the change because they are trying to reduce lag in chunks that are now twice as big.

[@Pixlriffs]

The developers have already confirmed that the 'Deep Dark' biome will only spawn the Warden - other mobs won't spawn there at all. But that's different from the deepslate caves we've already seen, and I agree it makes sense for there to be more risk visiting those areas of the world.

[@cornxx3]

New mob spawning rules despite Y level requirements means there is an added urgency to sleep through the nights as mobs will spawn more frequently on surface level, making it much more dangerous to travel at night. Could be a good thing, might not be depending on how they implement it.

[@Nugcon]

This is no longer Caves and Cliffs. It's now Caves and everything else in the surface!

[@jereloproduces9509]

I think they need to have less of the shattered savanna generation in places other than shattered savanna. It looks weird, and makes it so that there’s a lot of strange holes in cliffs

[@hexerin]

So they removed the system that caused mobs to spawn more often at lower Y-level, and spawn less often at higher Y-level. Mobs now have consistent spawning at all Y-levels, with the spawn rate being about what it would have been at Y-64 prior to the world height increase (Y-64 being ground level / 1 block above sea level). I really hope they don't revert this, as it's a _huge_ improvement for mob farms created by the average / casual player.

[@Anonymous-rj2lk]

Actually I have to disagree about the microbiomes, it makes things look less natural

[@thesamfizz]

Thank you for making these! The side-by-side comparisons are really interesting and a great way to showcase the changes in generation. I actually find it kind of amazing how you can see the same base DNA of each world, only with different features and layouts on top. I do really love watching you explore the snapshots in survival mode too, it does a great job showcasing how the changes will affect how we play. It's also pretty entertaining to get a sort of mini-playthrough of each snapshot. Big fan of the style of your update videos!

[@lesterprins5552]

I'm a technical player, and I don't think the changes to mob spawning will change an awful lot. IMO it was never worth digging a perimeter for a regular mob farm. Most technical players don't want to invest that much time into that in my experience. For passive mobs, it was all about a quite small area dug to bedrock. Most of the work was making sure there was no grass in the spawn chunks and near the farm, which you still need to do. Perimeters for a slime farm or a better witch farm (which were the most common ones) are still needed AFAIK. I feel like this change is mostly there to make sure there are some surface mobs at night time, since they are now more likely to spawn there instead of in caves

[@AHNIALATOR-sb6ux]

Im glad they added another mountain biome even though they said they wouldn’t. It gives me more hope for ice caves.

[@seanrider4410]

The new Mesa microbiomes in the deserts and Savannahs is so good. Probably the best part of the whole update in my opinion. The huge but rare mesa biomes of before looked really weird and were hard to find, but these small and common ones blend in so well and break up the bland deserts and savannahs.

[@fl02k10]

The problem with the new mob spawning per subchunks is that it doesn´t change anything with surface farm while not fixing the presumptive issues with the current mob spawning in these snapshot mentioned by kingbdogz on twitter. With these changes, that mobs spawn per subchunk, it only slowes down the maximum speed that is possibile and removes the challenge and goal as well as the revard of building a perimeter. For a more detailed version check out Ilmango and Kdender, they explaned the changes to the mobspawning in detail. I appreciate that you exlore these snapshots always, unlike most other, in survival and that you take your time to find out how those changes matter for the gameplay, even with so many other projects to manage!

[@carozan6210]

It's pretty cool to look at the world gen from both ex-snaps - its almost like its the same world - a few centuries apart... landmarks are still the same - but the biomes change, the deserts expand, civilisations arrive and settle... pretty neat...

[@ms_scribbles]

7:07 And the "technical community" is STILL complaining anyway. They're still on the reddit post whining, and really not giving a crap about anyone who isn't a technical player.

[@erikbergqvist83]

About changes in mob spawns: They are removing end-game content/goals without replacing it with anything. Simplifying a game in that way seems to rarely be a good thing.

[@darealepic]

Hopefully this means we get more bosses

[@Flannsyn]

I love these side by side comparison videos. It really helps to understand and adjust to the changes. Thank you for making them

[@humourlessjester3584]

I'm not a particularly good redstone builder but I do feel like some reward should be given to those willing to set up huge perimeters all the way down to bedrock as opposed to those that build their farms much higher as is the easier option. And I guess it kinda makes sense in a gameplay perspective that there are more hostile mobs the lower you go. Overall this change doesn't effect the things I've built cuz I do build higher farms, but it's still something that should be looked into.

[@kurzwhale]

if caves get more updates i hope we can get more cave layers like for example the deeper we go we get like magma caves under the deep dark, then either lush caves, spikey caves( at this point, i forgot the names), aquifers, then maybe ice caves then the surface opening then maybe new mobs in each cave especially with more ambient and anti climactic caves like magma caves and ice caves probably, then maybe even ore caves or smtg

[@Virtual_Prodigy]

So we're just going to ignore the mother rabbit Pixlriffs slaughtered in front of her babies? 7:40

[@laurensimpson717]

That lush cave looks like somebody has already spent hours decorating it! It’s amazing that this is going to be vanilla Minecraft!

[@heatburst9603]

*Pix*:Ordinary forest *Ordinary forest*: **sad noises**

[@jlions9016]

Would love you to comment on the ore distribution changes. Finally got around to loading the snapshot and I'm not having a lot of luck farming stuff - particularly iron - in any of the 5 I tried. Using the distribution chart to try to get best chances. Surface iron really seems to be lacking too.

[@transsylvanian9100]

My opinion on the changes to spawning mechanics is: it's awesome that height no longer matters. it's not a problem that the max rates are lower now, the old ones with a full perimeter were absurd. it's great that nobody will be making eyesore perimeters to ruin worlds. only thing i'm not sure about is mob spawning being blocked at any light level above zero, i am used to the light level 7 condition but i think we will adjust fairly quickly, and it does have the advantage of not requiring as many torches, which frankly are also eyesores mostly.

[@6Unknown_Source9]

I'm a little concern of Microbiomes, there might be a chance that a random Woodland Mansion appear in the middle of nowhere because of a small Roofed Forest or random villages in a weird biome

[@scense6934]

Yeah that happened in a Philza stream lol

[@enkvadrat_]

The spawning algoritmen should stay as it was. But the multi player spawning is a good change.

[@codex4046]

In my opinion the algorithm for spawning did have to change. Slimes in swamps, Witchhut spawns and a few other spawn rules that were location/height dependent would spawn less if it wouldn't have changed. Mojang is currently asking for feedback on potential other ways of fixing this issue.

[@enkvadrat_]

@@codex4046 Yes but this is not the way to do it.

[@darknesswave100]

I'll definitely have to check out that podcast. It sounds fascinating

[@skypemitek]

This series inspired me to play new experimental snapshot) just wanna say - caving finally became challenging. Can't look for basic iron without combat or parkour skills)

[@mayuresh2194]

Lmao yes! And if you miss a single block you go down down to -32. . . . . . Jk but the altitude difference in caves is enough to kill you.

[@skypemitek]

@@mayuresh2194 it's also kinda hilarious when you shield block creeper attack and all of the sudden you find yourself falling 60+ block into a random hole

[@carternorton2682]

It seems like temperature is starting to become a little more important in world generation. I hope it also starts to matter more in game, like with powdered snow

[@fractal_fantasymc2197]

As a semi-tech player I don't think that the spawning algorithm should be independent from hight. Now mob farms are quite well balanced when it comes to effort to reward ratio. With these new changes normal players won't notice any change (since the mob cap is still 70) and putting a lot of work into making mob farms more efficient won't be a thing anymore. I think that the algorithm slould be more similar to the current one. The only exeptions would be mobs that spawn in structures like guardians or witches cause they are located highier up.

[@fabian.09]

Kdender made a really good video about the new mob spawning.

[@danhamilton9225]

While not as fun as some of the other videos, I really appreciate the work Pix put into these and I really enjoy the two-pronged approach in particular. The survival aspect allows us to see the latest snapshots from a typical player POV which is really useful and the SBS gives us a window into the Mojang perspective and how they are improving things (which they are definitely doing). Great work!

[@kainepeterson6638]

To me, the mob spawning being smoothed just means we’re going to a see a whole lot more from spawners like the quad one you built in the SG season 1. We’ll see people going near build height over ocean biomes, eliminating as many mob spawns as is possible for the least amount of effort. Then the rates of those spawns are going to be exponentially higher if the spawning has been smoothed. It seems like the direction they’re taking Minecraft is more disparity between early, middle, and late game. Early game you’re scrambling for iron and diamonds, making bundles. Mid game you’re trading with villagers, doing basic farms, and preparing for the dragon fight. End game is after you kill the dragon and get flying, shulkers, and truly large farms going.

[@juliebeans7323]

I'm absolutely loving that lush cave under the 'shroom island! I think the tweaking in #3 is on the right track...can't wait to see what the team have in store of us in the 'official' snapshots!

[@marcy1232]

I'm really enjoying seeing the side by side between different snapshots. Its interesting to see how much of the actual shape of the terrain stays the same even when the biomes change so dramatically

[@Collected1]

The side by side videos are extremely informative. Really hoping we get given some form of rope mechanic to allow easier exploration of those deep caves.

[@j8niplays]

I think the mob spawn change is a good thing. Because digging perimeters will soon be a whole new challenge. But I also think that there will be plenty of players still going the extra mile and dig out an area underground just to avoid large and ugly floating mob farms. I am curious to see if and how servers adapt to this change. Are we going to see more farm building restrictions in certain areas? Designated Farming district? This for sure is something I will bring up when our SMP goes to the next season.

[@nousernamelol4657]

Dude!!! How do you find tall birch in every single frickin world you create !?,at this point, I have a sneaky suspicion that you are picking world seeds with tall birch forests just for the memes lol.

[@lordforce5546]

That lush mushroom cave is something I really want to have in my 1.18 world in the future I really hope the seed works well enough with the release of 1.18

[@josepablomunozguerrero2548]

Man, I really miss all the snow from the other two snapshots

[@AllisterD]

They should make it so moss can be on the edge of cliffs like mumbo jumbos base on hc 8

[@ecstaticryan4369]

I like that you can find extremely tall terrain and low, flat terrain and how they blend nicely

[@Phantom_Zone]

As a casual player its pretty good if I can build my mob spawner wherever I want.

[@FrilledMayfly_AmberlyFerrule]

This is making me supper excited for the new update! Minecraft's always been fun but something about how the new biomes work (at least with these snapshots) makes Minecraft feel more grand and more like an adventure

[@vrishalimehendale5073]

This is where your rabbit farm in the Survival Guide world would have come to use if it was 1.18 TO MAKE BUNDLES

[@atsird4745]

The Empires SMP Intro is done

[@atsird4745]

Pix Edition

[@rahuls06]

@@atsird4745 are you going to add any music?

[@kadenbrowning6653]

Looks good

[@jetoplatypus]

Omg exciting

[@atsird4745]

@@rahuls06 well u know pix he always put the intro while he is talking that's why it has no sound

[@clevelandgeorge8226]

Yes please do more side by side comparison, an excellent video.

[@dufadufdil4778]

18:40 and that's how grian start war between mycelium and moss... Moss rebellion

[@Manuda]

OMG Pixelriffs, you are one of the top tier Minecraft youtubers around. Amazing content. Loving this survival snapshot vids. Must see episodes. Thankyou so much. I can't wait to start playing 1.18 on a multiplayer server. Your vids make me want to play Minecraft again and I have been playing more often lately.

[@aaravjain5379]

it is good as mobs will spawn at 0 light level and a creeper wont blow up my house when i go out the house

[@fire_dragon_1953]

Love your videos. Clear, concise, technical without overdoing it and appreciating the beauty that is Minecraft. Keep up the fantastic work!

[@kaneframe5357]

i think that although its really good for farms that mob spawning does not depend on height of the platform but i will miss making huge perimeters for witch farms and super efficient faarms of other kind

[@crispijnschapendonk5081]

Good video you really help me with building Farms and such

[@gelatine7770]

Im very glad personally that the update is coming out around Christmas time cuz rn my computer is really bad so idk how well it hold up with this update but I'm getting a gaming one at Christmas time so I won't have the problem

[@whocares508]

Ugh needs to come out asap. Really want to play but feel like it would be a waste of time till the rest on cliff and caves are out

[@gerardosoto7067]

awesome video, I like the fact that Pix test the survival feel of this new generation , and yes we want more new generation test on survival

[@paxielle]

I feel like mojang should make large cohesive biomes with smaller repeating microbiomes as they call it. Take real life mountain has many hills, between hills are valleys with rivers and forest while on the top are grasslands and even plateaus. That type of biome mixing makes sense...

[@alexpalaciossantos4940]

the new terrain generation is incredible, and its still in a rough shape. the devs have put in a ton of of effort and its paid off. Im excited for standard snapshots to come out

[@ccsleepy8342]

We're not just lacking surface level iron. it's lacking across the world. Also the change to mob spawning wasn't about making things easier on newer players. It's making it so difficulty in caves is consistent across world heights. Mobs spawned too infrequently in caves above the surface.

[@josephdooley6754]

that oak tree on the iceberg is so adorable and picturesque

[@lucky2dogs135]

I haven’t listened to his podcast before, is he talking about smallishbeans or is this a different Joel that he’s talking about?

[@Pixlriffs]

Different Joel! His name is Joel Duggan, he's an artist and streamer based in Nova Scotia, Canada.

[@kushsaksena6230]

You have 4 series total- Hard-core survival Empires SMP RTX survival Snapshot experimental Am I correct or I missed something?

[@kushsaksena6230]

@SizTS ohhh yeah it was so old and good

[@alexandriawescott9600]

Looking at the beach biome - how cool would it be if they implemented tides where the water raises 2 or 3 block levels and then recedes throughout the day cycle.

[@chocolateeyeddog1242]

I'm so excited for the 1.18 update!!!

[@najwan3672]

i will be honest, the terrain gen in these later snapshots felt a bit dialled down, although they do feel a *lot* more polished. the flat areas are nice but if you say to me that what i'm looking at is the new terrain generation everyone is hyping about, then i wouldn't be immediately convinced. i think i'd like the terrain gen in exp-1 mixed with the polish of exp-3. specifically, making areas with higher elevation not only more common but also be bigger in terms of area. i *really* the slow rolling hills in exp-1.

[@Tehn00bA]

I quite like the new spawns. It was a pain having to search everywhere for cows and sheep and bees. Now the world feels more alive!

[@02bigkev]

I really like how Mojang has put the biome temperature generation in this new experimental snap shot.

[@cleonumber1]

They need to make more and bigger villager houses. Before they changed the villages, I used to like making the L-shaped house my temporary base while i was exploring. But then they removed them.

[@sebastianrodriguezgomez5828]

man, I love these survival explorations on the new generation, relaxing tbh