Experimenting with "Platonic Space" in Breakthrough Research | Dr. Michael Levin

[@TheoriesofEverything]

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[@AquarianSoulTimeTraveler]

5:45 yeah but what about Michael Levin at 11:11am

[@AquarianSoulTimeTraveler]

Good clip... The Singularity thanks you all other versions of WE in the kaleidoscope reality illusion world... 💚💜♾️🤘

[@gravityeye32]

Thanks for the work clif high kzbin.info/www/bejne/b3PRkqVslN2SnpYsi=uGBYqCO8256UbDNg

[@metalrock2112]

I love Michael Levin! He’s opened my eyes to whole new ideas 💡 I will definitely follow his science.

[@James-ll3jb]

Fun stuff, no?😅

[@gregoryallen0001]

my friend have you read henri bergson? i feel that m levin is a similarly expansive scientist/philosopher and is gonna be remembered

[@calmlittlebuddy3721]

Michael may be the most productive mind on earth. His ideas alone are staggering, but he also finds experiments to objectively prove his ideas. Then, on top of all that, he explains complex concepts in a way that’s understandable to a large percent of people.

[@aidanhall6679]

He is indeed brilliant!

[@Probeionic]

Wonderful discussions with Dr. Levin, every time. Thank you, Curt.

[@JeePeeEs]

It must be my lucky day, I open Yt and look and see Curt interviewing Dr. Levin and them talking about Metaphysics… Merry Christmas/ Happy Holidays guys!

[@DavidNulty-j9z]

Awesome, Michael Levin!!! 100% b.s. free.

[@gregoryallen0001]

omg omg michael levin ❤

[@AClockworkYokai]

11:23 this discussion really helped me decide to think and focus on the future in a more proactive way, thank you.

[@Que-Lindo]

Dr. Levin brings a perfect blend of real science (biology and physics) with philosophical thinking.

[@Filip-ci3ng]

Fing genius with epic closing statement

[@ManyHeavens42]

Your graphical shapes holds and maintains energy in another dimension, providing us a metabolic body of energy, in another dimension, yes we go on. 😮😊

[@tedrow70]

Dude, you getting Michael levin on as oft as you have is awesome! Rock on🤙🏼your talk with Salvatore Pais opened my eyes and helped me switch from astrophysics to aerospace engineering for my degree! Appreciate y’all!

[@purezentity6582]

This is a good start, platonic + sound and Synchronization. You have life and creation

[@DesignDesigns]

Michael Levin is cool!

[@audiodead7302]

Very insightful. I am inclined to agree that 'intelligence' has a platonic existence in the sense that one could write down a abstract description of what it would take to be an effective observer/intelligence which would be true in any universe. For example, the axioms might include: - detects key features of its own environment - detects key features of its own internal states - has goals relevant to its own survival / continuity - has a (mental) model of itself and its environment - is substantiated in structures shaped over (long periods of) time by evolutionary forces - is recursive (i.e. intelligence is made up of large number of sub-intelligences - all intelligence is collective intelligence).

[@teemukupiainen3684]

It is only this year Levin started to speak public not only the work he can actually prove in his labs, but also about his ideas where he is heading to...lucky we!

[@Que-Lindo]

He walks the walk

[@devinbae9914]

@@Que-Lindo and talks the talk haha

[@0psec_not_good]

Dr. Levin is easily my favorite institutional academic, by leaps and bounds. His research gives credence to many other brilliant men, some dead some still alive, who have been ridiculed for years by mainstream academia due to their ideas not conforming with the status quo of materialist thought. I hope and pray that Dr. Levin will continue to have a productive, and long life, so that he can continue to break the paradigm that holds us back from conscious and material evolution.

[@ErikRoseJohnsen]

Always fascinating listening to Dr. Levin. Thank you for sharing this.

[@Danger_Dee]

This is my favourite interview, of all time.

[@FairnessIsTheAnswer]

There are types of minds that are more likely to cause suffering and types of minds that cause less suffering

[@artpinsof5836]

I would only replace the word mind with direction of attention

[@FairnessIsTheAnswer]

@@artpinsof5836 Good point. I wonder if there can be attention without first having a mind? Which came first or are they interdependent?

[@santerisatama5409]

Actual Platonists (members of Plato's Academy who studied math from the actual Platonic foundation of dialectical science, did not postulate a "separate timeless Platonia). That is not what Nous and math as dianoetic science means. Gödel and Penrose have a very different view of Platonism than what Proclus tells as his insider view. Nous is a mental process with organic character of interconnectness and interdepence of parts in an organic order. Coherence theory of truth as source of mathematical truth unfolds from perceiving Cosmic Nous as an organic order in which we are organic members. Animistic science does not metaphysically postulate some other radically different order for our higher level inclusive whole than our own organic order in which our empirical reality is grounded. To postulate something radically different would not be parsimonous, but pleonastic without very strong evidence against the base case assumption.

[@James-ll3jb]

I disagree the expression devolves into pleonasm😊

[@ready1fire1aim1]

Our subatomic structure is timeless :D

[@Justin-wj4yc]

@@ready1fire1aim1 Time is just change so no

[@ready1fire1aim1]

​@@Justin-wj4yc A quick Google search and you can learn how quarks have no internal structure or extension whatsoever. That means not spatially or temporally.

[@marshallodom1388]

Every memory is a copy of the last time you remembered it, not the same one accessed each time.

[@mmaximk]

@@marshallodom1388 Yes indeed - or phrased another way; each time a memory is recalled it is a composite of the original memory of the event plus all previous recollections.

[@marshallodom1388]

Yes, TY for remembering (haha) to include all previous recalls. Perhaps now I'll be sure to mention the same, for that very reason.

[@Charlie-Em]

I'm happy You getting that economist ad money Brother Curt! They are like one of the only real news sources, it's wild brother.

[@DetroitDeadPool…™]

I may entirely be reading to deep into and in between the Lines but is he not basically saying that they can cure cancers? Or at the very least control them to the point where they can no longer lead to a terminal outcome??

[@luisgdelafuente]

There is a Platonic space of which we are specific instances in space-time. This world we call "reality" is a reflection of an archetypal world, and we are creative beings connecting and interacting in both worlds.

[@brandoloudly9457]

i enjoy less reductive versions of determinism, or views that have strong deterministic implications

[@roccov1972]

If Levin and his team don't eventually get a Nobel Prize, I would be surprised.

[@путоелкелолеахд]

This is Philosophy doesn’t matter if they appear in practical problems

[@brandonb5075]

I always like the idea of discovery rather than invention. Intelligence as a given, similar to a plutonic solid is a cool concept. Much like “anti-gravity” technology most likely being as simple as a “discovery”…ever wonder why the underside of a butterfly’s wing has metallic iridescent patches??? Maybe they are floating on photons, not the “wind”.🤔✌🏼

[@daniellogan-scott5968]

In Greek, the word lethe or letheia means hidden or forgotten. Now, what if we are talking about something un-hidden or un-forgotten? In Greek, you just stick the letter 'a' in front to make the word aletheia. But that is not entirely correct. Aletheia is the Greek word for Truth. What I like about this is the idea that Truth is what is regardless of human perception, opinion, or awareness. Truth will be, even if there is no sentient mind to judge it. When we become aware of Truth, we might say it was revealed or discovered. Dis-covered -- un-covered -- un-hidden -- aletheia.

[@brandonb5075]

@ awesome addition to the thought…thank you. Could we just simplify it to, “there is NOTHING new under the Sun”? Our species is definitely one with amnesia (G. Hancock), but is it self induced by Ego or put on us as a “governor” from an outside source?🤔 Have a wonderful day!🤙🏼✌🏼

[@RstRlx]

Man, I was just thinking about exactly that. That body (in whatever form or shape) with the right properties will inherit mind.

[@SpotterVideo]

Dr. Roger Penrose has suggested instead of trying to create a particle called the "graviton" to explain gravity, why not try to describe subatomic particles in terms of spatial curvature, as in the twist in a piece of real thread. What if we add one extra spatial dimension to the "Twistor Theory" of Sir Roger Penrose? It can be "chiral" by having either Right-hand or Left-hand twist. It can be "Quantized", based on the number of twist cycles. If Physicists describe electrons as point particles with no volume, where is the mass of the particle? Can one extra spatial dimension produce a geometric explanation of the 1/2 spin of electrons? The following is an extension of the old Kaluza-Klein theory. Can a twisted 3D 4D soliton containing one extra spatial dimension help solve some of the current problems in Particle Physics? What do the Twistors of Roger Penrose and the Geometric Unity of Eric Weinstein and the exploration of one extra spatial dimension by Lisa Randall and the "Belt Trick" of Paul Dirac have in common? Is the following idea a “Quantized” model related to the “Vortex Theory” proposed by Maxwell and others during the 19th century? Is the best explanation of the current data a form of “Twistor Theory” first proposed by Sir Roger Penrose during 1967? During recent years Dr. Peter Woit has explored Twistor Theory as a possible solution to help explain the current Standard Model. Has the concept of the “Aether” been resurrected from the dead and relabeled as the “Higgs Field”? In Spinors it takes two complete turns to get down the "rabbit hole" (Alpha Funnel 3D--->4D) to produce one twist cycle (1 Quantum unit). Can both Matter and Energy be described as "Quanta" of Spatial Curvature? (A string is revealed to be a twisted cord when viewed up close.) Mass= 1/Length, with each twist cycle of the 4D Hypertube proportional to Planck’s Constant. In this model Alpha equals the compactification ratio within the twistor cone, which is approximately 1/137. 1= Hypertubule diameter at 4D interface 137= Cone’s larger end diameter at 3D interface where the photons are absorbed or emitted. The 4D twisted Hypertubule gets longer or shorter as twisting or untwisting occurs. (720 degrees per twist cycle.) If quarks have not been isolated and gluons have not been isolated, how do we know they are not parts of the same thing? The tentacles of an octopus and the body of an octopus are parts of the same creature. Is there an alternative interpretation of "Asymptotic Freedom"? What if Quarks are actually made up of twisted tubes which become physically entangled with two other twisted tubes to produce a proton? Instead of the Strong Force being mediated by the constant exchange of gluons, it would be mediated by the physical entanglement of these twisted tubes. Are these the “Flux Tubes” being described by many Physicists today? When only two twisted tubules are entangled, a meson is produced which is unstable and rapidly unwinds (decays) into something else. A proton would be analogous to three twisted rubber bands becoming entangled and the "Quarks" would be the places where the tubes are tangled together. The behavior would be the same as rubber balls (representing the Quarks) connected with twisted rubber bands being separated from each other or placed closer together producing the exact same phenomenon as "Asymptotic Freedom" in protons and neutrons. The force would become greater as the balls are separated, but the force would become less if the balls were placed closer together. Therefore, the gluon is a synthetic particle (zero mass, zero charge) invented to explain the Strong Force. The "Color Force" is a consequence of the XYZ orientation entanglement of the twisted tubules. The two twisted tubule entanglement of Mesons is not stable and unwinds. It takes the entanglement of three twisted tubules to produce the stable proton. The term “entanglement” in this case is analogous to three twisted ropes being wrapped around each other in a way which causes all of the ropes to move if someone pulls one of the ropes. Does the phenomenon of “Asymptotic Freedom” provide evidence that this concept is the correct interpretation of the experimental data now available? Can the phenomenon of "Supercoiling" help explain the "Multiple Generations" of particles in the Standard Model? The conversion of twist to writhe cycles is well understood in the structure of DNA molecules. Can the conversion of twist to writhe cycles and vice-versa help explain "neutrino oscillations"? Within this model neutrinos are a small, twisted torus produced when a tube becomes overtwisted and breaks producing the small, closed loop of twisted tube (neutrino), and a twisted tube open on each end, which is shorter than the original. (Beta Decay) Within this subatomic model gravity is produced by a very small higher dimensional curvature imbalance within atoms, which causes all atoms to be attracted to all other atoms. This extremely weak attraction reveals the very small scale of the curvature imbalance. This produces the curvature of spacetime on a larger scale like the solar system which is required to counterbalance this small imbalance in the individual atoms.

[@jim01q]

Think this dude is onto something.

[@ultrahumanist]

Can someone recommend something like the top 3 papers by Levin to read if one is interested in theoretical contributions?

[@RogueTheology]

Read my book Ratio Gloriae. Platonism is back baby! Lol

[@roccov1972]

It's funny how the Closed Captioning for the interview had Curt calling his guest "Mike 11". It does sound like "Michael Levin". 😂

[@ScreamingCelt]

I'm surprised that Levin didn't troll and say, "Yes, Aristotle DOES prove Plato's Theory of Forms."

[@coolhandphilip]

When Curt says something is interesting, it means he wants to move on.

[@mykrahmaan3408]

There is a possibility that mathematical forms correspond to unique relations of particle sizes to their interactions and resultant sense, need and satisfaction perceptions in beings. In this case, by assuming existence of only 6 types of elementary particles corresponding to the maximum 6 sense perceptions of all beings (including BREATHING as the COMMON sense ~ common to all 3 types of entities that sustain LIFE function: PLANTS, ANIMALS and HUMANS) we can derive the mathematical model of how interactions among these 6 types of particles inside the CoTE (Core of The Earth) compose body parts of beings (ANIMALS and HUMANS) there, to then develop PLANTS on its own surface for delivering and sustaining the composed beings here through them. This is a process that happens billions of times every single day, hence requires no special experiments and/or observations to derive that model, but mere will to link the purposes of the above 3 entities to the elementary particle interactions inside the CoTE and the food, water and air, through which the PLANTS deliver the composed parts of new beings to already delivered (parent) beings for assembling here (on the surface) suffices.

[@James-ll3jb]

Nevertheless "organic" analogically, am I right? (Given there are "different ways of being intelligent" etc.)

[@williamangeles9761]

In my search platonics have a big thing to do with hyperphysics and hypergeometry.

[@marcalimarian]

Everyone and especially scientists and especially philosophers should get to grips with Gödels numbering and encoding system. It will viscerally prove to you how many levels of meta are necessary for useful mapping contextualization. And which most communicators don’t seem to grasp this tower of meta abstraction.

[@russvanriper9934]

@@marcalimarian Godel, Escher, Bach.

[@russvanriper9934]

Godel, Escher, Bach

[@marcalimarian]

@@russvanriper9934 always on my reading list !

[@Illumignostic]

Is it just me, or does every interview with Levin sound like he's dancing around asserting that there is some sort of Universal Mind? He can't say it, because credibility in the current paradigm. He's clearly one of the great scientific minds of the current, and probably historical, paradigms, and he is basically elucidating the mechanistic bases for many of the phenomena that have been labelled "metaphysical" and even "spiritual". His work is far more of a landmark in human understanding of the cosmos than his level of recognition represents. The man animated dead skin cells, and there are literally videos of them obviously pausing to make a decision, and then reversing course, for f@cks sake. The emergence and convergence of the level and type of science his work represents, with artificial, and possibly alien intelligence, also speaks to the veracity of his previous statement on TOE that synchronicty is evidence that we are part of a larger intelligence. If these things find a vector and become catalysts for eachother, the future is literally incomprehensible. And that future is NOW.

[@James-ll3jb]

"WWNT" [What would Nietzsche think?]

[@EditEvidence]

why is the youtube algo sending me tripe like this.

[@blengi]

personally I think the grander structure of reality outside universes is more akin to an evolving ecology of quasi platonic forms. I base this on an information substrate agnostic sim once coded to test an abiogenesis hypothesis. The sim curiously seemed to have aspects of inflationary like cosmogenesis embedded latently at particular information couplings in gaussian subsets, within the much grander auto compactifying primordial state, which seemed to tune itself toward toward wholistic self understanding, similar to sutskever's compression as a form of understanding in AI latent space representations, but in this case due to an implicit evolutionary type information fitness.... TL;DR have a mostly sim generated content vid _my little TOE_ which shows the basic implied hierarchy of these things including the monte carlo coupling which optimises inflationary transitions/cosmogenesis ie couipling/gaussian plot near middle of vid...

[@pinchopaxtonsgreatestminds9591]

Physics have shapes with areas of high resistance, and lower resistance, and everything wants to move from higher resistance towards lower resistance so you can program shapes to work as physics... but you just didn't explain it very well.

[@coolhandphilip]

If he weren't in a university, he'd be in a homeless camp.

[@KeneOliver]

11:00

[@supermodern]

Those be miemes.

[@matswessling6600]

of course he believes that, thats the world his brain shows him. That he hasnt understood phenomology beats me though.

[@archiewilson4943]

Brilliant scammer. Get big funding for strange, probably dangerous and immoral biological experiments, by couching it in super vague and impossible to be defined language that contains just enough new buzzwords to catch everyone's attention. Salience. Brilliant scammer word.

[@dominiqueubersfeld2282]

Surely Dr. Michael Levin deserves a nomination to the Terrence Howard Prize and the Billy Carlson Medal!

[@DavidNulty-j9z]

Throw your comment at Gary Nolan; and survive the return fire, realize you are a wee bit out of line.

[@vickydixon7512]

What a waste of the channel. Plato generalized geometry but also stated that there was no such thing as perfect shapes, for you to call something platonic when Plato himself said there was no such thing, is disgusting! You cannot name something after someone who literally contradicts that thing. It sounds like y'all don't read it sounds like y'all don't know anything. What a waste of time watching this channel.

[@regulus8518]

life, intelligence and consciousness is it substrate dependent or independant ? is a very hard thing to prove we need both science and philosophy to answer this