Experts Debate - Raw Food Diets Versus Cooked Foods

[@veganfortheanimals6994]

I go with Popper and Davis (Greger has the same stance as them)....I definitely believe in eating a lot of raw food daily, but even though I don't weigh much, I need a lot of calories and dense food, and raw food alone doesn't cut it for me to fulfill that....so I eat both raw and cooked...the best of both worlds! And the fact that Popper, Davis, Greger, Klaper, Barnard, Esselstyn, Campbell, etc, all are on board with cooked food (as well as raw) means a lot to me too...

[@tbd3602]

i wonder how animals get on without chronometer

[@r-e-s-o-n-a-n-t]

Actually Greger has mentioned if you wanted to go raw to read and follow 'Becoming Raw: The Essential Guide to Raw Vegan Diets'. It's backed by scientific studies, much of which point to being nutritionally superior. (I'm not a raw vegan btw)

[@carolkoussaya1543]

I agree. I also eat both raw and cooked vegetables. I can't imagine eating raw asparagus or raw potatoes and eat meat in moderation.

[@Will_Ramb0]

You need to do a 21+ day fast in order to eat only fruit & some leafy greens without cravings for garbage

[@l21n18]

William Flores cooked food isn’t garbage

[@nicholasruff8354]

Saying "We don't publish things" is a good way to kill your credibility.

[@praxton]

Exactly! And did he say "because we're under constant scrutiny"? I'm by no means a scientist, but isn't that the point? Your hypotheses and findings need to undergo rigorous review and scrutinization. That dude is a spawn of the internet bro-science age. They are terrified of scrutiny and review and they believe truth is only what you accept to be true not what is verifiable. I can't believe he was agast at Dr. Davis' response. It's not just a report or study was published, but has it been reviewed? Has it been replicated? Just the existence of a study is not enough.

[@praxton]

@d. d. welch That's not how any of this works. You have to publish so your results can be scrutinized and tested and retested. We don't take these things on faith or based on anecdotes. You make a claim, you publish it, and you have it checked out by your peers. This is how it always works. For any claim. You don't want it to work the way you say. Any approach can say "the results speak for themselves." Carnivore diet advocates say the same thing. It's sales talk. Sorry, but skepticism and scrutiny are very good things. Be wary of people avoiding them.

[@marley7659]

I never believed that couple for a second. They shouldnt be allowed in these panels. Only pamela popper is worthy of listening to. Mostly because she actually is a researcher and teacher of medical and nutritional research. She provides access to a library of research. Kind of like pubmed but more complete. That guy and his wife I just do not trust. @@praxton

[@UnsilentedStorms]

Not entirely, the reason why he might say under constant scrutiny is because anything that doesn't follow the scientific paradigm in a number of ways will not hold up to processes such as the peer review, for example scientists who may try to publish flaws and reexaminations of existing theories, will be unable to get by in peer review because it's meant to protect what they were taught and know.. and they have no way to accept something that defies that understanding lol. It's pretty essential to the evolutionary narrative that humans evolved from "Cooking food' or to many, eating cooked meat. So it's not hard to see how supporting a raw lifestyle would be heavily scrutinized and not supported by the scientific community. And people who are overly sensitive to following scientific facts and peer review, just want to play by the rules because they can at least PARTIALLY support their own bias by doing so. This may never give you the full truth though. So in that case, yes cooking food we're not meant to eat may make it easier to digest and extract more nutritional value. We only produce 2 enzymes that are meant for breaking down starch where starch eaters produce upwards from 8 different enzymes biologically. So of course the Okinawans cooked their sweet potatoes.

[@crystalsabundance]

I want him removed from the panel.

[@Wikidpalm]

cooked vs raw, I dont care just eat Whole food plant-based, that's it.

[@Mordecai06]

100% right

[@shtroizn]

@Supreme Leader A bit harsh don't you think? What is wrong with his comment?!

[@robertofilipe8605]

@Supreme Leader hahahahah do you sell meat for a living? fuck you meat is dead!!!!!

[@loveofinquiry8067]

Maybe certain foods are more nutritious raw but their are also certain foods that are more nutritious cooked, as the Dr. stated. I like to eat them both😉✌️💜

[@thetruth7487]

Yea that’s a complete lie good attempt at making your habits ok thougg

[@roblovegreen]

Love of inquiry Yes that’s a more open minded view. Also maybe a little grass fed meat included in the diet is healthier than none. After all, many of the blue zones have diets that include meat and science shows that meat contains some nutrients that are not found in plants. Hmmm

[@kh485]

@@roblovegreen What nutrition is found in meat that you can’t get in plants?

[@maxmwegerano7400]

What food is more nutritious after u destroy it. It doesn't even remotely make sense lmao

[@TheVitalBlend]

A raw food diet is a high nutrient, low calorie diet. Be prepared to eat a LOT of fruits and vegetables for energy and satiation. This is why foods like potatoes, rice, corn, beans and whole grains need to be the staple - because they contain more calories along with fiber, which helps with satiety. Nothing wrong with cooking vegetables. Will they lose some nutrition? Some will. However, most fruits and vegetables have already lost nutrition before they appear in your grocery store, doesn't mean we shouldn't eat them. Dr. Garth Davis says it all, "we're arguing minutiae".

[@StarcraftSwarm]

I'm a little confused I thought you liked to eat?

[@TheVitalBlend]

What about my comment said anything about NOT eating? I'm saying plant-foods are optimal, raw or cooked. Let whole, plant foods be most, if not all, of your diet, simple as that.

[@Advcrazy]

Davis is absolutely right. Research is useless if unpublished. It can’t be replicated by others or scrutinized for bias and misinterpretation of results and assumptions... which is the whole point of the scientific method. I don’t mean to counter what clement was saying about raw food. Hard to form a useful opinion on what he’s saying if his data isn’t peer reviewed and published.

[@MehtaKyaKehta]

You're wrong.

[@LindseyDara]

Food is one aspect of health, but stress, happiness, relationships, job, etc all play a role in our health and longevity. I love raw foods, but some days I don’t feel like eating all raw. Also when I hear stories about the longest living people people, I haven’t yet heard one of them mention they were on a raw foods only diet. Most seem to have a positive attitude and clear mind and are just enjoying life. My great grandparents lived into their mid-90s but they ate home cooked meals with veggies meats and biscuits. Most from their garden, I think home cooked meals are even more important than raw or cooked or vegan. Also, my great grandparents didn’t have a car, they just walked everywhere.

[@Zyklon_B_still_and_know_God]

I found the sensible one!

[@awarenessrevolutionpodcast2220]

A lot of wisdom in here. Awesome!

[@roblovegreen]

Lindsey LaVida Yes and the blue zones diets include some meat. Hmmm

[@eagle2545]

I'm raw vegan for 20 years now and I feel wonderful every day.

[@Wearephuct-O]

👍🏼👏🏼

[@eagle2545]

@@Wearephuct-O thank you. 😊

[@illinoisnaturalfarmer2417]

I eat all raw meat, organs, poultry, fish/seafood, eggs, dairy and honey

[@eagle2545]

@@illinoisnaturalfarmer2417 that's wonderful I respect that. I'm not a crazy vegan I don't protest or tell people what they should be eating or not eating. So my respects to you happy holidays

[@Herkimerdiamond]

Beautiful!!!!

[@theartificialsociety3373]

Cooked food like grains are definitely a convenience but bottomline is you should have to eat a lot of fresh raw vegetables regardless. Adding some cooked starchy staples to supplement the vegetables is convenient and less expensive, and you dont have to spend as much time eating. The apes in wild spend all day eating whereas humans try not to and stomach size shrank because of cooking for so many eons. Its definitely not clear how much fresh vegetables and fruit is advantageous vs percent contribution from cooked starchy staples. I dont think anyone knows that answer but for sure you must eat fresh vegetables regardless.

[@fmorant2222]

You cook food and you kill the enzymes. I know of a guy who is a 1OO percent raw foodie - he looks about 25 yes old...he is in his 5Os.

[@DanKxxx]

How is this a problem? The enzymes are destroyed by saliva and don't make it to the stomach. A balanced diet is best, lots of vegetables, many fruits, a little meat, and the small amount left over can be filled up with rice and starchy vegetables.

[@antneo933]

i would not even waist my time to convince these people. let the people do what they want. if i ate cocked since birth and got ill badly, found raw food option after I tried everything with doctors, I got healthy and able to finally live life normally, well that is more than enough science for me at least. you cannot deceive a person who tried it.

[@biggusdikkus6985]

In Nutrition.org by Dr Greger, he clearly states and proven by science that cooked foods are as nutritious as raw foods. Infact cooked vegetables are easier to digest than raw vegetables. I find Brian Clement arrogant, pompous, condecending and elitist. He actually said " maybe you don't understand" to a real Dr. He should be encouraging people to eat as much vegetables and fruits as possible, raw or cooked or non organic is irrelevant. Maybe he should be working as a car salesman or realtor instead?

[@roccpro5021]

True..so who is right?

[@bgrobbins]

I think you have to experiment with different diets yourself to see what works for you. I have found, over 6 years as a vegan, that the best diet is one with as much fruit as possible.

[@kylaradbourne5930]

Yes I agree. First priority should be to get people to follow a plant-based diet including both cooked and raw foods. However acrylamide is a legitimate concern. It is a known carcinogen that forms during the cooking of starches such as potatoes and bread. So it is definitely beneficial to eat as many raw foods as possible, and as Dr. Davis said, they are just arguing about the tiny details. Obviously they both agree that a whole foods plant-based diet is front and center when it comes to health

[@Kassiusday]

Plunger King I think Brian Clement seems not a “friendly lecturer “according to the way he speaks : “”I know almost everything ( and you re gone to learn everything from me ... )” having said that He has good asset for him I think is 60 and he looks great far better than Dr Greger for example who is “THE” scientific vegan professor ( speaking funny way ) // Brian Clement is likely very upset by something permanently ...I dont know what ? but he might be a loyal and genuine person and I learned quite lot. from his videos and organisation , I have degrees in both field : medicine and agronomy engineering in nutrition so this debate between scientist I am familiar with .... /peers review is not necessary a 100% no biais / and loads of scientific publications are wrong ...anyway ...

[@FootyBal]

@LIFTING THE VEIL damn, I was just watching this channel vids, and found you here on the comments after some days of watching your alcohol video

[@fullTimeVeganinOhio]

I love Garth Davis

[@promiseclub8810]

The woman in the middle will make eye contact with the ones who agree with her and ignores the ones who don’t, this is why we get nowhere, we don’t care about finding the truth we care about being right, and yet again ego has gotten in the way of a mature conversation that could have yielded something beneficial, thanks anyway tho 🙏🏻

[@lifeisagift5627]

Well said

[@akuma2892]

I really just don't trust Clement... he emits this aura that rubs me the wrong way.

[@ludwigiapilosa508]

I'm reminded of actor Troy McClure from the Simpsons

[@akuma2892]

DivineExistence There are a lot of wise people.. Clement is just a slithering snake spouting nonsense.

[@Kassiusday]

DivineExistence why some people become almost agressive when it comes to speak about food ?? is that vestiges of the past when humans used to struggle & battle for foods. every single day ??

[@Phyto_Chemicals]

3:46 🙌 Hands up for Garth Davis!

[@CitrusSimon]

All the wild animals eat a raw food diet, so from that, it makes sense to eat only a raw food diet. It is human culture and conditioning that makes us think we need cooked food.

[@monsimix6839]

The human Evolved to the dominant species in this Planet. Why? Something has changed to nourish the brain and Body. And the Change isnt Raw food its cooked Energy dense food.

[@crosspoint6870]

@@monsimix6839 dominance comes from greed, there must have been a non “evolutionary” change in diet for humans to become so greedy we can’t even feel for other creatures anymore

[@lifeisagift5627]

​@@monsimix6839, all animals eats raw calorie dense foods. Why can't you?

[@quynhnguyen9107]

when you cook tomatoes, it increases the lycopene intake. Do half raw vs half cooked. I don't think it's good when we do anything extreme

[@lawrencecavallo4622]

I love at around 2:56 if you watch Dr Davis rubbing his head, he looks like he wants to throw the mic down the end of the table! Lol

[@azoramanelli5597]

Brian is the Best. The only reason people do not want to go raw vegan is because of their cooked addictions. All foods are raw originally. All animals eat raw. And the whole earth is raw.

[@JuanLopez-vf3mo]

Hello. heat is a big part in human life ,i think. The devices we are using to communicate each others are made with solderings, that were worked with heat. Hot water, heating for rooms, and so many other uses that we benefit from. Why heat couldn't be included for foods? Sorry for my english. Greetings

[@lizziefattore9573]

Clement: "Look at the work of Linus Pauling..." aka the man who said that high doses of vitamin C would cure everything from the common cold to cancer This man being on the panel practically discredits the work of the other physicians who believe in real science.

[@thetruth7487]

Lizzie Fattore what a foolish statement

[@Trendyhoodnigga]

The WHO dictates scientific narratives through oppressive methods, keep in mind they still haven’t told the public that Hydroxychloroquine along with zinc and Zithromax defeats COVID. Many trials have been done already yet the CDC has given executive authority to pharmacists to deny a prescription for Hydroxychloroquine. Don’t be so close minded that you can’t see the truth. Not necessarily agreeing with the narrative about cooked foods but there are definitely many scientific journals that couldn’t be published due strictly to powers that be wanting certain factual information surpressed.

[@emilybh6255]

All anyone needs to get a full understanding of what we should be eating for optimal health is to figure out that our digestive tracts are 98 percent identical to primates and they eat fruit. Secondly if we look at the contents of human mother's milk, we find that it contains less than 2 percent protein and in the first year of life a baby triples in size consuming that alone. So we can safely conclude that we DO NOT NEED THE LEVEL OF PROTEIN we've been brainwashed to think we do. Also in mother's milk we find lots of SUGAR. So the simple sugar in fruit need not be demonized the way it is. We need simple sugar to energize our cells. As much as we like eating like dogs and pigs who are true omnivores, we need to accept that our digestive tracts are NOT designed like theirs. Rather we are FRUGIVORES whether we like it or not. kzbin.info/www/bejne/mH6YmKFoa9yXh6M

[@JuanLopez-vf3mo]

Hello. What about fat? Like avocados, olives and nuts. A diet very low in healthy fat has some risks. Greetings

[@littlecakebox]

Well I am quite new (a few months now) to a vegan/ whole foods plant based diet (still have small amounts of oil) and I have looked long and hard at what different people are saying and I don’t think fully raw is the right way to go, in Britain it is hard to get a good variety of fresh fruit and vegetables that are affordable all year round. So because there is not the variety of produce at an affordable price people will get fed up and drift back to their old way of eating. It is much better to have a wide variety of cooked and raw foods to give people the best chance of optimising their health and stay with a whole foods plant based diet! There is enough of a burden put on people trying to do the right thing and people like the guy on the left of the panel are extreme it has to be raw it has to be organic you should only eat amaranth or ancient grain, modern fruits contain too much sugar should only have ancient fruits, I mean the list goes on and on and on, I think he likes the sound of his own voice way too much and is rather condescending. I do think that having as much as possible raw is good but it is really good to have some cooked foods! I mean what about people who suffer from hypothyroidism, cauliflower/broccoli, kale and other raw veggies are goitrogens and are not good raw so will affect their thyroid function so better to have these very healthy veggies steamed than not to have them at all!

[@zacharymason1174]

Any update on your diet 4 years later? I’m curious

[@clubedoscachorreiros7420]

10:04 Davis STEALS (and kinda saves) the show, which was becoming chaotic! Considering Clement and Popper are on the same panel, that´s unbeliavable! He´s a star on my book. They all are, but, here, he shines on a different level! Priceless!

[@chrnb]

I wanna see John Rose on that panel.

[@MehtaKyaKehta]

Me too.

[@mikegowans1067]

They wouldn't know what hit em

[@onestrangeanimal3212]

I once believed that living on raw foods was the most natural and healthiest way to nourish your body. But then I learned that people were eating cooked food even before our species had evolved. So this means that our own species actually evolved on cooked foods.

[@onestrangeanimal3212]

@@benjaminwhistle6841 Archeology has provided evidence that earlier human species were already cooking their food.

[@maxmwegerano7400]

So what? Just because ur species used to do something doesn't mean it's ideal neccesarily.

[@lifeisagift5627]

Your specie did many things wrong. Keep on doing that.

[@publichealth1681]

fruits are the best foods we can eat. we are frugivourus apes. if you can get all calories in raw is optimal ensureing you eat a wide variety

[@kevinpolito7727]

"I don't do research. I publish books." -- Brian Clement. Anybody can publish a book or set up a website and make claims. Only rigorously conducted clinical trials can determine the efficacy of treatment. Peer review, repeatability -- these are the things that separate what works from what doesn't.

[@plusbonus9017]

What I find exciting about this debate is how both sides are oozing with enthusiasm! You can tell they love their chosen field. Just saying ✌.

[@aheadofhealth]

VALUABLE discussion. Thank you for giving me MORE FOOD FOR THOUGHT!!!!

[@madphatdopeyo742]

It's difficult to know the right way when you see drs conflicting.

[@imageinkdesign]

“Peer review” is a construct of gatekeepers that prevent the ‘wrong’ ideas from advancing.

[@Trendyhoodnigga]

Thank you

[@MiguelMontez]

Raw foods is really good but expensive, really expensive. Can't spend half of my income on food

[@trishna9279]

Grow your own raw food

[@NYCeesFinest]

So true, if you live in the city you have to be pretty wealthy to only eat raw vegan. Probably done by design.

[@briandumont7272]

When you claim you use science then say you don't publish because you get attacked, I wonder what your idea of science is. Peer review is probably the single most important part of the scientific method. Replication is necessary. The minute this dude said he doesn't publish, so read his books, I knew he was full of baloney. Probably raw baloney but baloney just the same. If you fear being published because you will be attacked (read proven wrong) you are not doing science, you are putting out lies to sell a book.

[@NikkyKnowsUNzs2001]

There are A LOT of problems with the peer review system!Science is about "Rational Explanation"(Cause) for an effect whether measured or not!Also, you what they say Statistics right; good, bad, lies, & and of government lies!MD and allopathic medicine does not know the first thing about science! By the way, what counts if anything is the measurement of nutrition that gets into the cell, utilized and eliminated with most efficiency and least amount of stress(aging to the cell).Food science/nutritional science is A JOKE!And by the way there is no such thing as A Calorie!

[@Micscience]

To bad people are hung up on peer reviews as if it is the end all be all when clearly it is not. Peer reviewed science gets corrupted and distorted all the time.

[@Trendyhoodnigga]

The WHO dictates scientific narratives through oppressive methods, keep in mind they still haven’t told the public that Hydroxychloroquine along with zinc and Zithromax defeats COVID. Many trials have been done already yet the CDC has given executive authority to pharmacists to deny a prescription for Hydroxychloroquine. Don’t be so close minded that you can’t see the truth. Not necessarily agreeing with the narrative about cooked foods but there are definitely many scientific journals that couldn’t be published due strictly to powers that be wanting certain factual information surpressed.

[@MehtaKyaKehta]

You have a long way to go.

[@andreanicholson5939]

I'm sorry, raw vs cooked foods is not minutiae. It is one of the most important and dividing discussion in the vegan community. I do respect these speakers, but they should not downplay the divide, one of many, that exists amongst vegans. I am a vegan and have watched and listened to hours and hours for a loong time of vegan experts' discussions and also vegan youtubers. The jury is still out on many issues. Lots of contradictory info. Lectins in your food? No problem, the body adapts. Vs Avoid lectins at all costs. Eat good solid grains. Vs Avoid highly hybridized grains such as wheat, oats, rye and barley (some of which now contain 80% gluten instead of 14-17% as Mother Nature intended). Vs Eat any and all grains, do not worry about the abnormally high gluten unless you have celiac disease. Etc etc. I could list pages of such contradictory info. Of all these discussions, the raw vs cooked debate could fill books. Definitely not minutiae.

[@andreanicholson5939]

Lj Thomas, great that your parents and grandparents lived long lives. But their situation is different than ours. The soils are very depleted of nutrients and also toxic because of pesticides. This also affects omnivores, not just those eating plants because obviously the animals people consume eat the low-nutrient foods of the earth. One has to eat about 25 apples today to get the same nutrition in one apple in the 50s for instance. Not being informed about what is going on with food these days is playing Russian roulette with one's health I think. Look at all the obesity, child cancers and child hormonal disruptions just to name a few. Plus all the other nutrition-related conditions that were few and far between 40-50 years ago. As they say since ancient times: death starts in the gut. All conditions, acute or chronic, start from a nutritional deficiency. Even many so-called genetic conditions turned out to be oftentimes mineral deficiencies. Personally I find that by being informed about nutrition, I can greatly improve it and also prevent disease for my family and I. And I do that even if I come myself from long-living, in their mid-nineties family members because the quality of their food was better than ours.

[@paulinafunfit4126]

Andrea Nicholson Great response! Sounds like you are a studious person just like me. I couldn’t have written a better response 😁

[@andreanicholson5939]

Marie-Paule Jean-Gilles, thank you my fellow student of Nature ... it is a wonderful subject to study because ultimately it makes you marvel at the amazing self-healing power within all of us (provided we do not mess with Nature which unfortunately we do, and have done). Education has always brought individual and collective progress.

[@LegacyEvoAce]

Lj Thomas My grand parents lived to 190-260 because I say so believe me. Oh and they only ate human babies.

[@dj-fe4ck]

Andrea Nicholson "One has to eat about 25 apples today to get the same nutrition in one apple in the 50s for instance." That's complete nonsense. I don't even take any supplements other than Vitamin B12 and I have no deficiencies and I never get sick.

[@cookingwithlanalamce8034]

1000% agree with Dr. Popper

[@rosebw1077]

It’s all about harmony and balance

[@stevenlennon12]

I add raw broccoli to my tremendous green salad and smoothies and cook the veggies I mix in with legumes and sauerkraut

[@panes840]

I find Clement arrogant BUT, he may well have a massive point here. I rewound the video and listen to him x3 times and I thought what he had to say was rather interesting.

[@leonaowen9234]

Well buddy I will believe Pam over you she tells the facts.

[@marcdebruyne3258]

Various vegetals are dificult to digest raw

[@natural_law_nutrition]

thats why you probably shouldn't eat them in the first place. Nether raw, nor cooked. Because its an indicator this plant doesn't really belong into your body

[@marcdebruyne3258]

@@natural_law_nutrition how to get vezels than

[@natural_law_nutrition]

@@marcdebruyne3258 through ripe plants you should eat. Fruits like Bananas, Mangos, Melons, Cucumbers, Tomatos, Olives and young tender Greens etc.

[@tennisisphysical]

Common sense is raw live food is best. Not practical for most things 🥦🥒🥗🥕🥑🍌

[@PheonxD]

I'm even more confused about cooked foods than I was before watching this debate. Escalated quickly into a debate about scientific method and never answered the question.

[@Leftistbreakfist]

Eat lots of fresh fruits and veggies in your diet, but cooked beans, potatoes, spinach, mushrooms, tomatoes, corn, squashes... lots of veggies are also great when cooked.

[@YZ450f24]

It's a mixture of both depending on the food cooking some foods helps make the nutrients more bioavailable whereas cooking some foods can destroy some of the nutrients but it varies how many nutrients based on the food and it's typically not that much. As far as producing heterocyclic amines and acrylamides I'm not sure I mean it seems logical that anytime you apply high temperatures to anything at changes their chemical makeup and structure and it definitely produces high amounts in certain foods when they are cooked such as proteinsso it's moderate for things like nuts and other higher protein foodsand it's extremely high for proteins that are animal-derived proteins such as muscle meat and fats.

[@underthedome8041]

Would love to see Dr David Jubb blood formation specialist absolutely school these so called experts on what happens when you eat cooked food

[@Gngrcpl]

I’m 70% raw. But I do like grains, beans and sweet potatoes. I feel good with what I’m doing

[@mizzkathryn7]

I really don't think it is a good idea to have people like the man on my left saying what he did let's try and keep it simple for people so people can find good health and not see it as to overwhelming omg who got him up there this could loss many who see his way as just not do able!! love the rest of you thank you so much.

[@philddlesticks]

The best thing about fruit is it is low in polyunsaturated fatty acids which have anti-metabolic effects in the body. Potato and rice are 2nd best for this reason, they are closest to the composition of fruit than most other cooked foods. RAY PEAT has written a lot about PUFAs in his articles.

[@kylewheeler7780]

Bottom line eat more plants, love Garth

[@meshackgaolathe6492]

How can we eat grains that are raw comfortably? Why is it that almost all the living people in every culture cook food?

[@NYCeesFinest]

Clement was SOLID even I eat cooked food mostly but the truth is the human being is most designed to eat Raw Vegan.

[@ldjt6184]

I really don't like the music. You said you were going to change it.

[@johnnygalaxy9022]

Damn.. this got heated fast! Good debate:)

[@veganbanana4687]

Garth is the man.

[@ivanmectin9106]

wonder if the loss of nutrients and carcinogens from cooking applies to steaming food ?

[@ch.5884]

Blondie on the end is abrasive..God Bless the other panelist for not getting up and smacking him..I dont think I could of done it..

[@nikae09]

if I understood right, all cooked food is bad according to Mr. Brian Clement? That means I can't eat beans right?

[@natural_law_nutrition]

you can sprout legumes for example, if you realy like to

[@daveforgot127]

It's sad that they talked about doing studies but they don't show no evidence.

[@meep6455]

how do you propose they should show the evidence?...and how would you define evidence in this case? I'm not a scientist so I'd probably wouldn't understand shit even though I had the studies and reports right in front of me. You see what I'm getting at?

[@frequencypaint1858]

Just because the pro cooked side is so hostile I am now focused on believing that the raw food side is 100% correct

[@yoniash]

Any updates on this debate since then? Did Dr Clement convinced Dr Davis on the data he argued?

[@azoramanelli5597]

The Majority cannot be raw vegan..how do you know? Do you know the majority? Mostly raw food does not work because ALL of us ARE 100% addicted!

[@julianzamora4564]

even a cooked plantbased diet cured me of my need to take a nap in the middle of the day.

[@clutchcargo2419]

Davis was the only one who had valid points. Scientific method rules.

[@MehtaKyaKehta]

Wrong.

[@NYCeesFinest]

"It's not valid unless it's been peer-reviewed." - Ignoramus

[@chivasbarca]

Full video?

[@OliverMagoo]

Yes! Please put a link to the full videos in the clips.

[@samuelromano2821]

If you're here, research dr Robert Morse for more info

[@aiya2323]

lol I think they both missed the point. Raw vs cooked, doesn't matter. Eat plant based diet found in nature, you can have both.

[@ESUvegan]

I cant forget always I see Brian a rawfood interview with doug g and david w and brian was so heavy and he still a heavy person that we percieve still he havent healed that and that still scare/drive people out from all of his, I think that if it doest flows easily to you a rawdiet be it because of money time convenience availability preference taste etc just do the best you can and that involves real awareness of feeling good and being happy with what you do.

[@JD-hh2qb]

Could someone or this video post the study

[@saraararararra]

I love Davis's rubbing his head, LOL. I felt the same, and yet I'm no expert

[@ivanmectin9106]

book publishing is better than scientific publishing if the scientific publishing is biased or corrupted due to financing ... the key is as long as it works ... just like on the internet people have been discussing the effects of eating a vegetarian diet . results focused.

[@Wearephuct-O]

Some day when Garth wakes up he will feel the same way about his current recommendations as he does about his older books telling people to eat meat

[@daveforgot127]

This is a great debate. Not sure where we go for are there from there but it's a great debate

[@cardioactivist9953]

Pam pooper won't even look at Brian Clement

[@theartificialsociety3373]

Cardio Activist she is not MD.

[@OliverMagoo]

She's an ND, I believe.

[@Wavedancerone]

She is a doctor! :)

[@akuma2892]

I wouldn't wanna look at Clement either.. dude is a snake.

[@CSWRB]

Yeah, because she probably regrets being anywhere near that snake oil salesman.

[@LegacyEvoAce]

Nice that’s what I like to see an actual debate.

[@highvibrationalalignment]

Science changes all the time example coffee one minute it’s good for you next min it’s not… it’s science lol

[@bernadettefern]

Some people and professional have their egos tied to their own limited experiences and vies. Science exists whether we are even capable of publishing or reading.the science of our ecosystems and many other micro or macro systems will still exist whether we investigate them. Raw, enzyme-rich food is of course most nutritious, cleansing and reparative. I’ve been a hygienic nutritional consultant with over 50 years as a naturopathic practitioner consuming a vegan diet , and for 24 years a raw, grain-free diet. I am in my 70’s, lived in Northern Ontario for over two decades, and am never, ever I’ll or dis-eased any,ore. A head-on collision 15 years ago caused a broken spine, crushed stomach, spleen, ribs and longs. Ted, eventually consumed a regular supply of raw, organic vegetable juices, then returned to a healthy state with not even one aspirin or surgery. A year and a half ago I fractured my hip, tore ligaments, went into shock for a while, fasted, and did almost nothing until I could eat pounds df grapefruit, avocados, sprouted nut butters and spirulina and sea vegetables. Again not one single drug or surgery. Last night I danced to live music for over two hours and am not sore today at all. There is a scientific explanation which I understand of course, but I have no need to use the scientific method and publish the experience of natural healing. I do not have to associate with argumentative, closed minded individuals or other practitioners. My own students and patients value their understanding and application of anatomical and physiological facts without having peer-reviewed or published verification of their experiences. They know what know regardless of another’s doubts, self-limiting indoctrinations, habits or preferences.

[@Terdathon]

Dayum!

[@roccpro5021]

Who is right?

[@kylaradbourne5930]

The doctor on the left is essentially correct. Acrylamide is a serious carcinogen that forms in cooked starches like potatoes and bread. That is why I eat as many raw foods as I can but I definitely still include many starches in my diet. The way I see it is that I could either consume carcinogens from meat or carcinogens from starches and I chose the lesser of the two evils

[@fullTimeVeganinOhio]

Kyla Radbourne : you say this because you heard this guy say it or you read it in a peer reviewed journal? Now to your defense I heard Garth say show me the paper too. How after watching that could you make that claim if this quack wouldn't do it himself

[@kylaradbourne5930]

Kristopher Osborn it is true that acrylamides form in starchy foods. I learned it in my biochem class in university. Im doing my degree in nutrition. However, there are certain ways of cooking which promote acrylamide formation more than others (high temperature frying seems to form the most acrylamides) while steaming forms them less often. It is a legitimate concern but at the end of the day if you center yiur duet around fruuts and vegetables with starches supplementing it, you will be fine

[@britishcowgirl]

Cooked foods create mucus

[@fullTimeVeganinOhio]

LIFTING THE VEIL love me some gregernator

[@nash9625]

Pam Popper is my favorite superhero

[@starcatcher3691]

Thank you Pam and olDr. Davis. So much of raw foodism is just plain dogma and its hurting g the vegan movement. It would be really nice if raw fooders would get down to earth and be honest. I cannot tell you the ridiculous things they have said to me.

[@sparkleafter50]

That was awesome. Love when scientist debate.

[@cardioactivist9953]

Clement is coming through strong on this panel. Raw foods heal faster than cooked foods.

[@OliverMagoo]

That should be all the more reason to prove it by submitting studies for peer review.

[@ch.5884]

Clement is comming off as an arrogant smuck

[@sdushdiu]

Sorry, but the preponderance of published peer-reviewed objective evidence does NOT support the arrogant faddist asshat Clement. MIXED raw and cooked WFPB regimen for the win.

[@betzib8021]

Clement is coming through LOUD on this panel.

[@jmm3688]

I love cooked vegan, BUT I feel a thousand times better eating raw. It’s just hard!!

[@Will_Ramb0]

Just watch Loren Lockman Nuff said...

[@truthseeker5645]

Watching these fools fighting egos just reduced my life

[@Lonwolf.]

Dr. Mcdougall- all large successful populations of people throughout all verifiable history have consumed the bulk of their calories from starch.

[@coffeenow2382]

Brian rocks!!🕺🕺👍👍

[@meep6455]

u serious? did you watch the video? Pam Popper and Garth Davis "scientifically" whooped his ass.

[@ryansadilek6872]

Agreed. Brian, the late Ann Wigmore and everyone else at Hippocrates are way ahead of the mainstream “published science.” It’s too bad the loud egos of all those physicians got in the way of letting Brian speak more.

[@blueskunk9163]

There's a high pitch on the audio track. Please edit that out with a filter.

[@monsimix6839]

No

[@tennisisphysical]

Raw!🐾

[@littlecakebox]

It is so disheartening to people who want to follow a whole food plant based diet for health/ vegan diet for ethical reasons to have such a burden placed upon them by all this pompous nonsense! I feel the evidence put forth by the Dr on the very left of this panel is flawed! It is of course good to eat many things raw, fruits and of course many vegetables but also what the other Drs are saying has been scientifically shown to be correct that some things are better for our health when they are cooked. It is hard enough for people to afford a healthy whole foods plant based diet and stick to it without all this added burden that the Dr on the left of the panel seems to constantly insist on, it must be organic it must be ancient grain etc etc, he is supposed to be helping people eat healthy but instead many people are being put off by all his extreme viewpoint. All I would say to him is do not put impossible burdens on people that are not practical for people to afford or incorporate these extremes in their lives

[@biggusdikkus6985]

Audrey Steele Brian Clement is not a Dr.

[@635574]

I should mention that benas and quinoa need pressure cooking to neutralize the lectins.

[@dougefresh133]

Experts Debate? This should have been titled Experts Argue.

[@Grande-Dame]

A debate IS an argument.

[@amyabarca4440]

Ooh, more please. Where's the rest?

[@jorgegravedeperalta4897]

From what I understand of these scholars and know-it-alls, self-titled scientists, is that science was not done in Ancient Greece, just as Aristotle was a straw talker. It is not surprising that this is what these inquisitors do.

[@JuanLopez-vf3mo]

Brian Clement may be right about some of the topics of discussion, i don't know. But i feel him a little rude some times. It's a bit difficult to hear him without feeling uncomfortable, lol. Sorry for my english

[@Jumbaride]

"Can I just ask where you published it, 'cause I'd like to read it." (stammer) "We don't publish things..." (Immediate Eye Roll)

[@word_warrior]

We need to use logic and commen sense because you shouldnt just rely on science it can't always give us what we are looking for. your mind has answers nature has answers think more question more you can get knowledge from yourself within yourself, to seek you've got to dive deep within in your conscious to know.

[@StarcraftSwarm]

Can anyone link me a study on 100% raw vegans?

[@bgrobbins]

StarcraftSwarm I have been following a diet of as much fruit as possible since Jan 1. I feel really good on this diet. I have been vegan for 6 years.

[@StarcraftSwarm]

Awesome!Keep it up! Fruit is human food! Too bad people who haven't had good fruit completely dismiss it as "a snack" and claim it can not be the basis of the human diet."Oh you shouldn't eat fruit because it has too much sugar","Raw foods just aren't enough in a cold climate","Some foods are healthier cooked", etc. It's all just excuses for a past life of eating cooked foods. All these studies the "cooked" doctors are referencing are studying people who eat cooked vegan food instead of cooked animal flesh, which is obviously an improvement but it is in no way an argument against raw veganism, which hasn't really been studied extensively.

[@jaketaylor1409]

if its been studied extensively could you maybe post these studies? Like no hate but at the moment your only giving opinions. An actual study would be nice to read.

[@banishedfromthedwarfplanet530]

All studies on vegans show they get cancer and heart disease at the same rates as meat eaters because of the imbalance of Omega fats and a lack of B vitamins.

[@jaketaylor1409]

Banished From The Dwarf Planet LOL really ay. All studies u say? Lol i mean im sure soke studies exist but youd most likely find that they were eating a shitty vegan diet low in fibre, possibly even eating processed carbs and sugery snacks. As for the omegas all u gotta do is eat alittle bit of nuts/seeds every day and ur covered. Send us the studies either way id like to dissect that shit and check out the methods used

[@ivanmectin9106]

if it works it works. and it might work differently for different people.

[@Prodigious1One]

But what if you have to cook food in order to avoid bacteria?

[@faramund9865]

Wow this arguing back and forth is quite unhelpful. Clement not publishing his finds is dumb, if it can't be scrutinized it can't be real honestly. And then Davis getting angry instead of calmly dismantling Clement is just as bad.