Explained: What Is The Treaty Of Trianon And Why Does Viktor Orban Talk About It A Lot?

What is the treaty of Trianon, a cause for historic "trauma" according to Hungarian nationalist prime minister Viktor Orban? The treaty, signed in 1920, set the terms of peace for Hungary -- a member of the defeated Central Powers -- after World War I.

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[@azurefire7266]

Even as a Hungarian, I never understood the hysteria around Trianon. Yeah, it was an unfortunate event for Hungary but whats the point of crying about it in 2024? Its a method for undereducated Hungarians to explain their own failures in life. And besides, hating others is much easier than actually doing something that matters. Thats the way Orbán leads my country and its so frustrating.

[@FelonDeGeneres]

I appreciate and respect this position, of which the world needs more of. In comparison; should my family and I stay angry at Mongolia for climbing the great wall long before we existed? There are better ways to empowering your people and country that people should be aware of.

[@kaladze93]

The world needs more people like you.

[@csabagajdos1215]

1. As hungarian, you should know, Croatia and Hungary were personalunion. Means one king, but two countries. Of course if it is for 900 years, it is hard to realize. 2. You should ask these questions: - Why were the borders drawn deep in hungarian majority inhabited territory? - Why got Austria territory from Hungary? Was it at the winners side? - Why got Poland territory from Hungary? - Why aren't souvenirs in the new countries state museums in hungarian language? and so on... These are legitimate questions even if definitely O1 big G.

[@dieseldave2383]

​​@@csabagajdos1215 as a Hungarian I agree with his opinion is it worth fighting over dirt ? How many lives would be lost and should we focus on more important issues ? Was it a difficult time yes but it's done ✅

[@hunguy3280]

@@csabagajdos1215 This whole question of Trianon should be reopened, in order to answer the questions you raised. This mass has to be revised and explained.

[@janoskovacs9406]

The only thing i ask for our neighbours, is to treat our people well. I don't think the majority of people here want those territories anyways.

[@MirceaPrunaru]

If Orban dreams of getting back Transilvania then he should prepare to take a bite from the wolves.

[@valevisa8429]

Te-ai trezit si tu pacala cu un comentariu de clasa a doua.

[@MirceaPrunaru]

Bine ca ti-o dat Dumnezeu cap ca de minte o uitat sa-ti dea.

[@hunguy3280]

@MircearPrunaru, Why do we still have 1.2 million ethnic Hungarians still in Rumania? Actually there is substantially more Hungarians in Transylvania then the official figures.

[@r.b.15]

And the wolves being the romanian gypsies who were defeated in every war in two weeks and could only win anything because they hid behind the skirts of the french? Oh, we are so afraid 😂😂😂

[@freebozkurt9277]

We Hungarians are the wolves (bozkurt or bozgor how you call it)

[@harcosmagyar8732]

And when does he talk about it? Just one example, please! xD

[@schenevus82]

I think that for Orban it's just a convenient topic to infuriate enough people and get their support.

[@offbeat65]

Exactly.

[@DomnulDarius]

Just like what Hitler did. People love getting manipulated into believing what suits them.

[@valevisa8429]

Those territories were lost by Austro-Hungarian Empire.What is an empire ? A prison of people.

[@offbeat65]

Exactly. Hungary as independent entity didn't even exist between 1541 (start of Turkish occupation of 150 years) and 1918. Before WWI it only existed as a province of the Habsburg Monarchy, where the Hungarian population amounted to only 40% as early as the 19th Century. Orbán falsifies facts at every turn, so of course it falsifies history, too. Btw, I am Hungarian.

[@hunguy3280]

@valevisa8429 you are wrong the Austro - Hungarian Monarchy was 72 years whereas the Kingdom of Hungary is 1,000 years in existence. As an addition, I do remind you that a real prison was created by the victorious Americans and Great Britain, when they divided Europe into two spheres of influence, one on the West and the other the East into Soviet Sphere where 500 million people were the real prisoners for 43 years or more.

[@bujdososzekely]

@valevisa8429 you pushing the fals wallach "romanian" propaganda invented for justification the crul wallach "romanian ocupation of Transylvania in 1918 - 1919.

[@freebozkurt9277]

If Austro-Hungarian was a prison of people then after WWI 3 more prisons of people were created. Romania even today is a prison of the local Hungarians. Hungary has been a multi-ethnic country since its foundation where (obviously) all nations prospered for a good 1000 years. They did not disappear, they did not assimilate (where are the Russins or the Saxons today?). After WWI three more mutli-ethnic countries were created (Romania, Czechoslovakia and Jugoslavia) and the only mono-ethnic country was Hungary. So you distroyed one and created three more. What was the point?

[@Enuff947]

Except for the few hundred years after you lost (again) at Mohács.

[@agnelomascarenhas8990]

Hungary does not deserve to be in the EU.

[@user-xp5yu3tt2g]

Quite the opposite, the EU doesn't deserve to have Hungary. I'm from Greece and nobody asked us if we ever wanted to join the EU or not, it was a decision taken by our government without any referendum firt being made. There was also a referendum for keeping the euro as our currency or not and we voted to leave, but the government did the opposite of the will and decision of the Greek people.

[@offbeat65]

Strongly agreed.

[@ionbrad6753]

@@user-xp5yu3tt2g Well, if you don't want in Europe I have good news for you: Exit is permitted. Good by! But I know most Greeks want in United Europe - that is why no party in Greece calls for an exit referendum.

[@bujdososzekely]

Transylvania does not deserve the wallach "romanian" occupation !!!

[@freebozkurt9277]

The EU does not deserve Hungary.

[@markthompson1819]

I doubt very much whether the Croats, Slovaks and Romanians would want to be part of Hungary so there's little point in continuing to whine about it. Unless you want to emulate the Serbs and whine about battles lost for eternity.

[@Signorina1552]

Who's whining? Do they think we're stupid? Have we no sense of reality? But we will not forget our history to make the successor states feel better.

[@markthompson1819]

@@Signorina1552 My guess is that the successor states you refer to will not forget their history either. 1000 years of occupation tends to be remembered. For reference see Ukraine's struggle and Hungary's support of Russia. Truly disgusting.

[@bujdososzekely]

@@markthompson1819 , you forget the Maidan 2014 !!! Viva "Ukraine minority" , Rusian majority feedom in Dombas !!! Freedom for Szeklerland (Szekelyfold) also !!!

[@urhunn7778]

The land is ours, it was Hungarian for a 1000 years. Just because 2/3rd of it is now under enemy occupation does not mean the territory became theirs. If the minorities don't want to become part of Hungary, they can evacuate and leave our lands.

[@urhunn7778]

@@markthompson1819 If you know history, then you also know that the Ukraine occupies 1000 years old Hungarian territory, right? You know that what the Ukrainians call "Zakkarpathia Oblast" is the Hungarian land Kárpátalja? And you know the Ukrainians oppress the Hungarians living there? So, why should Hungary support the defence of the territorial integrity of the Ukraine? It would be truly disgusting, in fact outright treason if any Hungarian supported the struggle of the Ukraine against Russia! And why would any Westerner consider our policies towards our enemy the Ukraine as "supporting Russia" is beyond sense. It's not a soccer match to take a side to cheer for. Only Hungary matters, nothing else! No, Putin doesn't matter, no Ukraine doesn't matter, no the West doesn't matter, FOR US ONLY HUNGARY MATTERS!

[@paleopteryx]

It seems that when the workplace of a country leader (even maybe elected?) is a massive, impressive palace, it gradually (and inevitaly) leads to mental issues, the most important one being a strong "messiah complex". The bigger the palace and the longer one stays in power, the stronger their belief they are sent by the gods to rule the world! That's why you should have LIMITED terms for elected rulers and also humble presidential or parlamentary offices. And an age limit would also be more than welcome!

[@davidtore1325]

its not just Orban..everyone Hungarian. ethnic borders? thanks to France mainly.

[@doveofwar6824]

Admiral Horthy would be laughing at this guy.

[@azmrl]

Hitler, Putin, trump and this dude. All whimpering about the past and unable to guide into the future.

[@INSANESUICIDE]

Fail to learn from your past and you are doomed to repeat those mistakes in the future, how WW1 ended was a big part of why WW2 started.

[@DonaldDucksRevenge]

Trump made war on no one

[@MrJdsenior]

@@INSANESUICIDE True statement, very true. We DID learn that lesson the second go round with both Germany and Japan, though. I'm not sure we'd remember it now, those of us that matter, meaning those in power.

[@johnshelton1141]

Comparing the best President we had in 30 years with 3 losers is Stupid!

[@Signorina1552]

"Those who forget the past are condemned to relive it..." (George Santayana)

[@Thor.Jorgensen]

Imagine a certain German painter who had a grudge over the Treaty of Versailles. Now make that guy Hungarian and you have Orban.

[@Enuff947]

Except that O1G has no intention of recreating the lost Kingdom. He just uses the perceived injustice to maintain power so he can continue to steal the countries assets.

[@GBatya]

Good to know Orban is Orsos that means he is gipsy.

[@urhunn7778]

No comparison. Orban is a kosher-conservative.

[@Thor.Jorgensen]

@@urhunn7778 And Paul Von Hindenburg, who selected said German painter to be chancellor of Germany was also a kosher conservative, believing the German painter was a kosher conservative.

[@JoeSanHUN]

Pff... Yeah at least thats what you see in the global media. Ask a local and you will get a total deferent point of view.🤷

[@thorthewolf8801]

Thanks for an impartial showcase of the topic.

[@justkornel4640]

Just because Orban says it, doesn't mean it's a lie. Trianon is a national trauma for the Hungarian nation, especially for those 3 million Hungarians who became minorities in their own homelands. Not mentioning forced assimilation, deportation and massacres/genocides. Hungary also lost all of it major cultural and centres, leaving the nation hollow with only Budapest composing the center of mass. Ironically, the rural population is the greatest supporter of the Orban government, so indirectly, Trianon caused Orban's popularity in the long term. Trianon left the Hungarians scared, not because they lost Zagreb, Trencin, Banska Bystrica, Aba Iulia, Bistrița, Turda, Novi Sad, Rakhiv, Perechen or Eisenstadt, but the fact they lost Hungarian majority towns, cities, or whole regions. P.s.: Can't wait for the "BuT It'S aCiEnT xy land!!!1!" or "tHeY dId It WoRsE!!11!". No and no, the first one is buffling, cuz doesnt mean anything if the population is totally different and they dont want to part of that country, the second one, Hungary demanded one thing from every of its citizen, learn Hungarian. Sure it's hard, but isn't it a normal ting to ask from your citizens, just like Romania, Slovakia, Ukraine etc asks the Hungarian minorities to do so?

[@ionbrad6753]

Losing Etelköz should have generated a greater trauma but it seems it healed.

[@toi_techno]

The baddies always regret the consequences of their actions rather than being bad in the first place

[@ryv2484]

We aren’t exactly the goodies either, so I’d consider getting down off your high horse.

[@beskydyk]

I don't think Hungarians were more to blame than Austrian Germans, Czechs, Slovaks, Poles, Ukrainians, Romanians, Serbs, Croats or ano other nation of Austro-Hungarian empire that I have forgotten. It was a constant mess of various nationalisms. But it's 2024 and reliving the trauma seems a bit excessive, times have changed, time to move on, focus on the future.

[@johnq.8889]

And the goodies revel in reading the benevolent narratives they've written.

[@urhunn7778]

As a Hungarian, I hope that what you speak about will be true, and the West and our neighbouring enemies will regret the consequences of enforcing the Trianon Treaty on Hungary.

[@lefunnyN1]

@@urhunn7778 you can go back to the steppes if you wish

[@jjj8958]

What Hungarians often don't even know about how they oppressed minorities, probably most of them didn't even heard about Magyarization. They teach them how they took all those lands from them but not WHY they took them.

[@bujdososzekely]

Was no magyarization , fals wallach "romanian" propaganda !!! The 95% of wallach "romanian" migrants in Transylvania never learn the hungarian language.

[@freebozkurt9277]

And what do you know about Magyarization? No I do not mean the propaganda that you were taught but what do you know? Do you know Lex Apponyi? Do you know what rules it containted? Do you know it was in effect only for a few years whereas all the new countries have been much harsher anti-Hungarian rules already for more than 100 years? Read up on Lex Apponyi and get surprised.

[@Enuff947]

Was Petőfi Hungarian?

[@freebozkurt9277]

@@Enuff947 Do you believe in self determination? Then maybe you can accept people decide who they are. Yes Petőfi declaired himself Hungarian. Is Claus Johannis Romanian?

[@Enuff947]

@@freebozkurt9277 your most famous poet and revolutionary way a Tóth. I don't care what he said he was.

[@mecho68]

Poor, poor things! You are breaking my heart!

[@hunguy3280]

The above picture of Trianon, is a very good presentation, representing the pain and suffering of the people of truncated Hungary. It reminds me of "Jézus Krisztus" on the cross, with the Crown of Thorns on his head.

[@ionbrad6753]

Yes, that is a good representation of the pagan Hungarians invaders of the 10th century against the European Christians. Look it up - ”Hungarian invasions in Europe”.

[@Ricsi15]

@@ionbrad6753 And Hungary defended Christian Europe from the Ottoman Empire for centuries.. so whats your point?

[@hunguy3280]

@@ionbrad6753 We might be neighbors, or better still, me as a Székely of Székelyföld, does not mean that we could agree on anything. Point one, we were not pagans, because we believed in one God and we were in Transylvania way before you even existed. Thank you very much for your kind words.

[@ionbrad6753]

@@Ricsi15 Let us be serious. Hungary defended itself. Both Hungarians and Turkic peoples plundered Europe. Then Hungarians happaned to settle here and ”defend” the others :)

[@ionbrad6753]

@@hunguy3280 Pagan means believing in one God other then the Christian one. Point one, Romanian dominant haplogroup is I2a - the earliest in Europe. Good day!

[@imimajor4595]

Even today, 3 million Hungarians live in the seven countries surrounding Hungary! They did not move, the Allies drew a new border around them! It must be difficult to understand this trauma for those who have not suffered such a punishment. Trianon is one of the biggest crimes committed against humanity!

[@lefunnyN1]

not their people not their land

[@ciba20]

I think, you are Romanian…

[@lefunnyN1]

@@ciba20 ok, then you are mongolian i guess

[@urhunn7778]

Did we ask for your opinion? I don't think so.

[@DomnulDarius]

@@urhunn7778It’s a common section, everyone’s free to post. No one is going around asking everyone if they’re allowed to post something. But I guess in Hungary free speech isn’t taught so I’ll cut you some slack.

[@urhunn7778]

@@DomnulDarius Free speech, you say? So, I was totally free to say shut the fuck up, we didn't ask for your stupid opinion, wasn't I? Contrary to general belief, free speech in Hungary is more alive than in the USA these days.

[@Constant193]

They didn't lose anything, only gave back what wasn't theirs

[@ciba20]

I think, you are a Romanian… : )

[@justkornel4640]

Yeah, like territories with 90-100% Hungarian majority

[@Constant193]

@@justkornel4640 you mean some villages 90 % hungarians? So what? Transilvania has 10 % non romanians

[@Ricsi15]

@@Constant193 It belonged to Hungary since 9th century, and no previous "owner" exist today, so it was pretty much Hungary's. And your numbers are wrong. Transylvania is only 70% romanian and that is only because most of Hungarians died in the wars against Ottomans and Habsburgs, while they were replaced with Vlachs.

[@Constant193]

@@Ricsi15 dude, you are funny😀

[@annehersey9895]

First of all, if those Hungarians who found themselves outside the new borders, they could easily have moved into modern day Hungary! No one was stopping them. In fact they’ve had 80 years to move back to Hungary. By now, they are citizens of their new countries and involved in life there! Victor needs to let it go!

[@tamasmolnos7070]

Do you think after 1000 years they just leave their homeland , where they grew up just because this not even fair contract forced us ? It was not even a contract we didnt had other options just to lose everthing , i hope one day you will feel the same as us

[@annehersey9895]

@@tamasmolnos7070No but after 80 years when most people alive never lived in Hungary I expect them to identify with the new country of which they are citizens! If after 80 years they are unable to do that then moving back to the old country might make them happier!

[@tamasmolnos7070]

@@annehersey9895 Or they just didnt want to left theyre culture and homeland , i dont know where are you from but i didnt think you can leave youre house and friends after some days because some politicians force you

[@bujdososzekely]

@@tamasmolnos7070 , the shameful Trianon in June 4. 1920. was Trianon Dictate !!!

[@zoltanperei4789]

Wow this goes in two ways! Just imagine if suddenly you would wake up in a different country. Would you leave your house, car, animals, shops, factories, farms behind and go to a different country?

[@BaumerPaulGefreiter]

Irrespective of what one may think about the Treaty of Trianon, I very much love the song "Trianon" by the Hungarian band Szkítia.

[@bujdososzekely]

The shameful Trianon in June 4. 1920. was dictate not treaty !!!

[@DomnulDarius]

@@bujdososzekely😂😂

[@rekaroob2589]

But honestly, look at this map guys, countries usually dont lose 2/3ds of their 1000 year old lands . I am Hungarian and we usually only miss the Hungarian majority parts, nobody wants to for example take Croatia back. Even till this day, more than 100 years after this, millions of ethnic Hungarians have to deal with a lot of negativity in the neighbouring countries as minorities are still opressed.

[@DomnulDarius]

Yes they do and it’s time to move on. No one is being oppressed either.

[@3cosmo]

The days of the Imperium are over dear buoy

[@freebozkurt9277]

you mean Romania?

[@zoltanperei4789]

A lot of problem could have been prevented with better bolders, but no. France gave lands to our neighbors where the majority was still hungarian.

[@ClifffSVK]

The borders are good and fair. Stop crying about it

[@zoltanperei4789]

@@ClifffSVK the more than 1.5 million hungarians living in the neighbouring countries is the proof that it is not fair at all.

[@ClifffSVK]

@@zoltanperei4789 You mean magyarized Slavs and Romanians. Plus in the preceding centuries there were no clear borders between various ethnic groups. If you were to draw borders based on what village is what ethnic majority, you would end up with 1000s of exclaves. The borders are fair. Get over it.

[@zoltanperei4789]

@@ClifffSVK well if they are all romanians and slavs, then why are they still speak Hungarian after 100 years of living in a different country? They had 4 generations to assimilate into the majority, but they didn't.

[@zoltanperei4789]

@@ClifffSVK well if they really slavs and romanians, then why are the still speak Hungarian after 100 years? They had 4 generations to assimate into the majority, but they didn't. This is so weird.

[@GlobalPenguin2012]

Oh sure, the mongol empire stretches from the eastern tip of Asia to modern day turkey. So what! You lose it, it’s gone. Wake up Orban…..

[@freebozkurt9277]

Nothing is over until we say it is over. We are patient, we can wait.

[@GlobalPenguin2012]

@@freebozkurt9277 Lol. I won’t hold my breathe for you.

[@freebozkurt9277]

@@GlobalPenguin2012 You are just migrants, and you are migrating further as we speak, so you will hold your breath somewhere in Spain while picking strawberries

[@caloricphlogistonandthelum4008]

Thanks for this.

[@agnelomascarenhas8990]

Phlogiston reference! We need oxygen!

[@gojo76]

I love how they forget to say that Hungary itself stole those territories from other countries, Transylvania from the Bulgarian Empire, Croatia and Northern Serbia from the Serbian empire

[@attilatasciko4817]

You are dead wrong dude ! Learn real history , not your wishdom brain shit history ! Pick your nose shit boogies , not real history ! Etc...

[@offbeat65]

Bulgaria never had Transylvania. There is a vague theory about it, and that is it.

[@julesD0222]

Wrong! They did not steal anything

[@gojo76]

@@julesD0222 ofc, they just... colonized those lands, right? xd

[@gojo76]

@@offbeat65 all of modern day Romania was under the Bulgarian empire bro

[@Mac-ix4qp]

Orb-body needs to concentrate on eating more salads IMHO.

[@offbeat65]

And that body truly expresses what goes on in the country.

[@janoskovacs9406]

Imho he shouldn't, if you know what i mean xD

[@blackwatertv7018]

Losing wars has consequences Orban your country was on the wrong side of history in two wars and you’re setting up to make it 3… Also Austria-Hungry was an imperialist power they stole/conquered that land.

[@zoltanperei4789]

Austria-Hungary only conquered Bosnia during it's existence (1867-1920).

[@user-mx9ge8rc8q]

No we wont lose this one

[@DacianRider]

why doesn't Radio Free Europe COVER how the other ethnicities in the former austrohungarian empire were mistreated ? is that not trauma too ?? I assure you, there's plenty to go around. hungolians crying about it more doesn't change that fact.

[@GBatya]

Romanians were employed for cheap cost after the Mongolian invasion. They did it like now in London.

[@DacianRider]

@@GBatya I'm sure you are talking about your mother and her experience.

[@GBatya]

@@DacianRider Learn history first!

[@DacianRider]

@@GBatya learn to move on first!

[@tamasmolnos7070]

@@DacianRider Bro talking with his 100 years history xdddddd , good job

[@keithdrower9120]

Putin dreams of the former Soviet Union, and Orban is having a brain fizz.....!

[@urhunn7778]

There is no connection with Putin or to the Sovietunion. And it's not Orban's idea, either. The revision of the unjust Trianon Treaty is every Hungarian's wish, starting right back in 1920.

[@attilatasciko4817]

Thanks , finnally a correct information , BUT MISSING THE OVER THAUSEND YRS OF SOLID MAIN BORDERLINE ! WE , MAGYARS ( HUNGARIANS ) , WILL NEVER EVER ACCEPTING THIS ANTANT REAP OF DICTATION OF OUR COUNTRY ! Etc...

[@markthompson1819]

Doesn't look like you've got much choice.

[@ionbrad6753]

How about the previous 5000 years? Please do not quit Etelkoz, Magna Hungaria and the Urals, too!

[@3dfxvoodoocards6]

The only injustace of Trianon is that Austria lost Eastern-Austria (Hungary), which was ruled from Vienna for centuries up until 1918. Give Eastern-Austria (Hungary) back to its rightful owner Austria ! Ria ria Austria !

[@user-mx9ge8rc8q]

Austria is rightful hungarian and germán territory Austria was always naughty They got independence from hungary in 976 They attacked hungary multiple times but their capital usually ended up getting occupied by the hungarians Hungary killed the babenberg dynasty in 1246 Hungary occupied vienna and made it to his capital Hungary defended austrian empire in 1849 but the austrian empire cried for help to mommy russia

[@3dfxvoodoocards6]

@@user-mx9ge8rc8q I don’t know what you are talking about but parts of Hungary belonged to Austria since 1526 and all of it since around 1700, up until 1918. Eastern-Austria (Hungary) should again be part of Austria, ruled from Vienna, like it did for centuries. Just look at what those hungarians have done to Eastern-Austria, they made it poor and the most corrupt country in the EU.

[@valaerius]

Obscure treatise?! The best point: no so-called territory lost by Hungary had Hungarian majority inhabitants!!! Only a small minority, displaced by a temporal authority during the Austro-Hungarian Empire. In fact, Hungary did not even exist as a state between the battle of Mohacs and 1860. It was a Turkish pashalik with the capital in Buda!! I mean, the capital of Hungary !!!

[@harcosmagyar8732]

Are you such clever by your own or somebody helps you? xD

[@eprofessio]

Wahhhh. The best chicken wings I ever had were in Debrecen, Hungary.

[@freebozkurt9277]

So you eat dog food. We Hungarians eat human food.

[@eprofessio]

@@freebozkurt9277 god bless your little heart. You sweet little peach.

[@freebozkurt9277]

@@eprofessio Oh thank you darling.

[@hermanator2]

FAFO, old school edition….

[@adrien5834]

Yeah. Pretty sure they won't like Trianon II any better than they did the last one.

[@user-mx9ge8rc8q]

​@@adrien5834Trianon 2 happened in 1947

[@adrien5834]

@@user-mx9ge8rc8q Figuratively, I imagine? Should I ask Google what happened in Hungary in 1947?

[@Pidxr]

Jesus Buddy, catch up with the times

[@freebozkurt9277]

Shall we? Just like Putin?

[@robertoceccato6507]

Orban , visto che l' Europa non gli elargisce soldi, soldi che grazie ad interessi personali e amici, vanno in grande quantità nelle sue tasche, sta svendendo il paese ai cinesi. Auguri agli ungheresi, quando dovranno lavorare con un datore di lavoro cinese.

[@willberry6434]

Does Hungary really think it’s important enough to push for this

[@urhunn7778]

Only Hungary matters!

[@willberry6434]

@@urhunn7778 LOL

[@urhunn7778]

@@willberry6434 What is so funny? I didn't say for the world. I say for us Hungarians. For us Hungarians only Hungary matters. The rest of the world doesn't matter. How important they think Hungary is or how important they think that we Hungarians are, these things don't matter. Only we matter, only Hungary matters.

[@shadowrock]

​@@urhunn7778lol

[@user-yb6eo1xp2f]

Victor Putin

[@user-mx9ge8rc8q]

Joe zelensky

[@user-yb6eo1xp2f]

@@user-mx9ge8rc8q great combination, two freedom fighters

[@velvetmagnetta3074]

Who started that war again? I can't seem to recall through all the Conservative victimhood.

[@blackwatertv7018]

Serbia…?

[@velvetmagnetta3074]

@@blackwatertv7018 - Oh? Did Serbians declare war on the Austro-Hungarian _Empire?_ I must have missed that part of revised history class.

[@peterjanosmajnar2979]

@@velvetmagnetta3074 they fucking killed the prince, so technically they started the war

[@INSANESUICIDE]

​@@velvetmagnetta3074Serbia fired the first shot by assassinating a head of state, the terror organisation black hand was very influential in the Serbian government and military. Russia guaranteed Serbia against any repercussion, and Austro-Hungary invaded. Where did you learn your history?

[@velvetmagnetta3074]

@@INSANESUICIDE - Yes, the assassination is generally considered the precipitating event. But do you think it's reasonable that the Austro-Hungarian Empire start a World War over that? Or did the Empire have other options? The first to _declare_ war was the Empire. After the war, the Empire that started it lost its empire. That kind of partitioning after an empire loses a war is common in Europe. Maybe aggrieved Hungarian Conservatives should be grateful there is still a "Hungary"? Austria is. Instead of trying to whip up nationalist sentiment in other nations, work on your own stuff and make those "long lost Hungarians" feel welcome in Hungary? Unless it really is all about the land...?

[@petru-cristianboza5933]

Hungary should be happy about trianon, the only reason why hungary exists today is because trianon. Romania, Yugoslavia and Cehoslovacia wanted to split Hungary,like all of it. So, say thanks and carry on

[@hunguy3280]

@petru-cristianboza5933 I do have to correct you to a minor degree. It is true that all our neighbors did request the total abolishment of Hungary, and the US representatives did finally approve this request. However, Great Britain vetoed this decision, stating the "Little Hungary may stay". As a result of this veto by Great Britain, we remained to the present, as a heavily Truncated Country. My remaining comment is, we are not happy with this decision by the Anglo-Saxon powers and France who were the sole decision makers on this question. History will deal with this issue in due course.

[@harcosmagyar8732]

When did they want this? I have never heard about it. Rumunia wanted Hungarian teritories to the Tisa, Czechia wanted the Danube-Uzhgorod frontier + a Slavic corridor to yugoslavia. The serbs wanted their present-day territories + Pécs and Szeged. That's all.

[@harcosmagyar8732]

@@hunguy3280 What are You talking about? Any source?

[@petru-cristianboza5933]

@@harcosmagyar8732 no, people that were subjugated by sutra Hungary wanted to not repeat the history, so they signed a path. When all your neighbours say you are bad neighbour, you think you only hold the truth ? I get there are some historical reasons for why you dream about "Greater Hungary". How did you get to " Greater Hungary" ? Through war! That's how we got to Greater Romania, end of story Doesn't matter who owned what when. neanderthals owned Europe ? Should we return it to them ? Why ? Is the right of the conquerer valid only until Hungary lost ? Should Turkey be returned Budapest ? Since they made it into a colony for a long time ? I think we should bury the hatchet and drink some palinca, mici and other things we are grateful for each other as neighbours

[@aaz3313]

Hungary is not a person, consequently it can not be happy or unhappy. If you think about poeple with Hungarian nationalities in Romania, they would be more happy and satisfied if Romania would keep the agreement and assure autonomy for them.

[@zoltanperei4789]

If the treaty would have been fair then we would not talking about it right now. Our neighbors say Hungary was an empire. Wrong! Hungary was a kingdom. We did not control far away, or overseas territories like the brits or the french. And there is no such thing as an empire could hold lands for 1000 years, expecially when the hungarian "invaders" are the minority. Slovaks and Romanians say the were oppressed in Hungary? How so? Were you ever been in Ireland and Scotland? People there no longer speak their native celtic language and english became the main language. Now that's what i call real oppression.

[@capitandiriangen8981]

Hes crying aboutblost territory the same way putin is doing it.... Sus

[@nnonotnow]

MHGA Make hungry great again😉

[@3dfxvoodoocards6]

The regions lost by Hungary had just 0-30% hungarians and were majority croat, romanian, slovak and austrian. That's the reason Hungary "lost" them, they shoudn't have been part of Hungary in the first place since they were NOT majority hungarian.

[@bujdososzekely]

Szeklerland ( Szekelyfold ) shoudn"t have been part of artificial Romania because the hungarians majority !!!

[@3dfxvoodoocards6]

@@bujdososzekely The Szekely region is an enclave, a hungarian island in the middle of 20 million romanians and 400 km away from the majority hungarian lands. The szekely region should maybe get some sort of autonomy but being in the middle of the romanian nation, it evidently cannot be part of another country. Budapest also was majority austrian / german for centuries but the hungarians didn’t gave it to Austria, they didn’t give it autonomy, they fully magyarized it 120 years ago.

[@offbeat65]

@@3dfxvoodoocards6 - "it evidently cannot be part of another country" - Why not? The very word "enclave" denotes such a scenario, with plenty of examples in history (West Berlin during the cold war, today's Kaliningrad, etc.) By the way, the Székelys did have formal autonomy between 1952 and 1968, see Autonomous Hungarian Region (Regiunea Autonomă Maghiară), but this fact was hushed in the Ceausescu years, and the pertinent international treaties "forgotten". Even today, this is a hot taboo for Romanians.

[@3dfxvoodoocards6]

@@offbeat65 in this case since the hungarians totally magyarized the majority german region of Budapest and city of Odenburg / Sopron... the romanians should do the same to the Szekely enclave, move in some 500.000 romanians and make it 90% romanian.

[@leventenagyivanyi9219]

@@3dfxvoodoocards6 Bro Sopron voted for what they wanted, it was totally fair. Budapest was never a german majority city.

[@nataivankovic]

Happy delayed Trianon day to all the hungarians who celebrate from Croatia 😁🇭🇷 Don’t be sad about it. You and serbia have willingly surrendered your sovereignty to become Chinese colonies just like that