Explaining All Banned Main Deck Monsters in YuGiOh [Part 8]

[@trussingwordjjj1873]

When you are so hyped for the video that even duellogs forgot to do the intro

[@octopuscat1279]

Shit was that hype

[@drewbabe]

I think he didn't do it for the last one either

[@MegaMetal96]

I mean, when it’s part 8 in a series, is it really necessary?

[@ThePhoenixWylde]

I find it a little jarring, but if it becomes a common thing then sure, it works.

[@Emill1987TC]

He said in stream that there was no point on doing intros for this series by this point

[@ReifinDFanchon]

7:45 "Combo well with the Tenyi engine." Something is rising, and it's definitely Mr. SpiderLogs duel passion.

[@engiopdf8745]

tbf as much as he overuses it, anything that even pretends to be normal monster support is nice.

[@haltfresse8411]

Ahh yes the tenyi engine

[@TaylorVie]

It actually makes sense for Archnemeses Protos to have destruction protection so it can't destroy itself with its own effect if it targets Dark attribute monsters. Also idea: Top 10 Cards that cannot be used because another card is banned - like NeoBubbleman being useless because Metamorphosis is banned.

[@legendarycollection7184]

And neo bubleman still useless even when the card was unbaned haha, That funny how hard to summon but end up like super joke but some how our protagonis use it like super good card.

[@chimaeraarts]

Ooh Butteryfly Dagger elma

[@zad_rasera]

He already did your suggestion. Check his "Top 10 Useless Cards" vid

[@zad_rasera]

Sort of

[@caswellweird]

@@legendarycollection7184 its so sad too because in the anime Neo Bubbleman was a Fusion monster. Honestly they should retrain it as one and give it a summon from ED by tributing him effect. Give it some generic floating effect to push plays and give bubbleboy some utility to see use again.

[@mendozakoby]

I got shivers on my back hearing EVA and immediately knew what was coming

[@chimaeraarts]

Yeah it really sent shivers down my spine

[@nodeberiaestaraqui93]

It should have been Benten tbh

[@Elliot_the_skylander]

@@nodeberiaestaraqui93 whit benten was banned

[@youtubeusers-firzenViewers]

I try to use one eva n bentan But it pretty hard to let both players fun on Yu-Gi-Oh like the original Idea of the game rock paper scissors 2022/4/7 23:55pm hk Unfortunately not So ya f.....k😭 So i play blue eyes

[@NeostormXLMAX]

@@nodeberiaestaraqui93 no it should have been herald of perfection and ultimateness, cyber angels are bad enough

[@xfluffytraxy4996]

Top 10 cards that Dont understand how their own Archetype works

[@darkwolf9637]

Basically every red eyes card since it seems every chunk of support they get tries to do a different strategy

[@lynxfresh5214]

@@darkwolf9637 I mean Red Eyes is an archetype not even Komoney understands what do with and unlike Dark Magician or Blue Eyes the legacy support for it, is consistently mediocre.

[@Zoomy]

Batteryman C takes the top spot easy.

[@xfluffytraxy4996]

@@Zoomy you forget Helios the Primordial Sun

[@faereman]

Almost the entire Iron Chain archetype

[@arpitsharma8028]

Video idea: Best banned cards not banned in master duel

[@AntoniusAgungNugroho]

Maxx C, hands down

[@RuggedRing]

Isn't that basically "Cards banned in TCG but not in OCG"

[@tranquangthang8897]

Rhongo bongo lul

[@Ether_Liner_Ado_Edem]

Max c, rhongo, supreme king starving venom I dont know if herald is banned in tcg

[@matthewhaffner4416]

@@RuggedRing nope, master duel isn’t the OCG. It’s just using 90% of an old OCG ban list, with the rest of its banned list coming from TCG

[@SuperMegaCoffeeGuru]

Why the hell did KZbin suggest this series when I haven't played this game in 15 years and why did I just watch this video?! Also.... nice video.

[@Populon993]

you were chosen by the algorithm. welcome to the rabbit hole.

[@SuperMegaCoffeeGuru]

@@Populon993 I can't tell if my afternoon has been wasted or entertained by this playlist... There is something about the monotone that offers the right mix of informative authority and disinterested disinterest that keeps drawing me in.

[@zad_rasera]

Welcome to the club

[@PreciousPika]

It chose me too, and the only thing I did was watch other videos by them that I got to the same way. I don't know yugioh very well but it is nice to listen to

[@ExaDat]

Damn wouldn't it be crazy if konami released a game with all of these cards unbanned? Just imagine how annoying the meta would be.

[@Y0G0FU]

hehe

[@legendarycollection7184]

Yeah and the 1st turn player probably win when end board with at least 3/4 omni negate, the 2nd player can't do anything

[@mb778_]

@@legendarycollection7184 or ftk

[@calibula95]

Master Duel should have the ban list updated to the tcg... Ocg ban list is super stupid, and ranked should be best of 3, normals just be 1 single duel.

[@umb3rus108]

@@calibula95 OCG-banlist is like: We have Maxx C, that will keep this in check

[@Sta_cotto]

Simorgh is such a scourge in MD, I once got trapped behind a board with Sim, Apex Avian, AND Thunderbird.

[@ignacioperez5479]

amazing how many of this cards can be fixed with hard once per turn and you cant use this card for link summons

[@lynxfresh5214]

It almost like Link summons broke an already broken game. It's still hilarious multiple tuners and token generators "have" to be banned or limited in order to enable "certain" Link monsters.

[@Xapheion101]

@@lynxfresh5214 yeah I never thought they were that bad because I hadn't really played heavily with them. Then master duel came out and now I'm not sure I even like the game anymore.

[@shis1988]

@@lynxfresh5214 me, seeing Restrict banned in 2005-6 (and the Chaos Yatagarasu lock that created the banlist), and cards that do what it does even better printed, instead of working on making sure things that bad are never made again.

[@Aozame]

That's basically banlist.txt, yes. Honestly, "you can only use a specific card once per turn period" should just be one of the rules of the game, since it's been a recurring issue for the whole damn life of the game.

[@ExeloMinish]

@@Aozame Funniest thing is, I'm pretty sure Konami themselves agree with you, given that they did make it an explicit rule in Rush Duels.

[@pamoon_]

As someone who wanted to make a Fish deck, now I understand why Blaster was banned.

[@Runestarr007]

Honestly for Imperial Order I would change it's effect to either: - Only spell cards that target this card can be activated, so that it can still be taken out by the spell cards, or - Both players can only activate one spell card per turn, to achieve the same effect but give a little more leeway if they don't have the negate in hand right away

[@ericlizama8552]

That's a cool effect, though on its own it would kill the card, like TDL's nerf. If you added "(even if this card left the field this turn)" it would be perfect. Alternatively, I would increase the LP cost to 2500 LP.

[@Venishuaa]

Honestly I'd make it unable to be activated unless it's going to be destroyed by a spell card making it much easier to play around

[@andrejv.2834]

@@ericlizama8552 the more lp you have to pay the better io gets, as it means the player who activated it will be able to use their spells again faster with a larger maintenance cost by getting their own lp down to kill io for their turn

[@Bestname_Ever]

i think there is a better way tho, if they released a ton of new monster hand trap that destroys a face up spell/trap card on the field then the problem is solved since they gave a new type of out against the card. since the problem is that most ways to destroy back rows are spell cards, it has a downside of making spell/trap heavy tier 2 decks lose even more tho.

[@bigbobbylivesxd5604]

Ever notice how a lot of cards could be taken off the banlist if they had a hard once per turn

[@ethribin4188]

Imperial order could be changed to "if a spell card is activated, pay X lifepoints (no choice) and negate the activation. And at the end of each turn, take x dmg." That way, while it would be resourve intensive for the enemy, you are on a timer. And if they are spell heavy,they could force the floodgate to break. Not to mention they can force you to low lifepoints. So imperial order has a sort of Maxx C risk attached to it. That the opponent can try use it against you by forcing you to, draw your deck (in maxx c case), or burn you to 0 LP through your own card. Not sure if thats a good idea though. Considering how Maxx C is so game defining that its banned.

[@cheepcheep123]

That would only work in a vacuum, but in reality IO was so toxic because it's backed by omni negates and IO is still a self-protecting floodgate. Also you would only need IO to stick for a turn anyway so you could secure your board and attack for game. Same goes with maxx c, you can't really deck them out anymore without eating 5 handtraps first or getting droplet'd for 6 next turn, and having maxx c + end board going first is just too oppressive for going second players

[@brotherhood7596]

Imperial Order is too good not even a nerf can nerf it

[@neospacian02]

Sounds a Royal Opression effect: pay 700 lifepoints to negate a spellcard and both players can used this negation of imperial order just like royal oppession.

[@cheepcheep123]

@@neospacian02 if you establish a board most of the times you won't need spells anymore so it's still one sided in practice

[@fredyramirez3035]

@@neospacian02 without a once per duel clause. The best option that I can tink to fix IO is by making it a single target once per turn. Something like a worse version of de-spell.

[@kochiyamochiya]

I remember when Mind Master came out. It was came out really early when they just released psychic type monster And even with how few and mediocre 1st wave psychic monsters is, Mind Master is still a problem card back then

[@monoskill4059]

I am always kind of sad that almost all those cards in these lists are not banned in Master Duel / OCG

[@Strider_Z]

Mood

[@lynxfresh5214]

I'm not, different formats make a game more refreshing to play plus TCG players and OCG players have different mentalities (On top of being facetious to each other). That said the MD banlist is trash for a BO1 format, the fact you need to actively remove cards from your extra deck (or play Monarchs/True Draco) to avoid a D.D FTK and get an auto win is just hilariously bad game design.

[@NeostormXLMAX]

@@lynxfresh5214 the thing is, the d.d dynamite thing isn't even that good, half ofthe time they just surrender if you go first or if they don't open good. its just annoying to play against, in bo1

[@ikiry0830]

It would be interesting to see imperial Order become 'Negate all spell effects that do not target Imperial Order'. So it's STILL a floodgate but it's a floodgate that doesn't protect itself from targeted removal.

[@certaingloom3797]

If Yugioh wants to keep doing this they could just add "Skip your draw phase" as part of maintenance cost in exchange for a powerful effect.

[@davidjimenez3822]

I don't think it would matter anyway cuz combo decks don't really need the draw phase unless they get their combo stopped midways. A good way to limit the older banned cards is putting a hard OPT restriction to them, as that way they keep their powerful effects without the absurd combo potential. Or in Eva's case, just banning it lol. No one likes playing against Drytron Heralds anyway

[@williamdrum9899]

"You can't draw cards for the rest of the Duel"

[@amazedalloy]

Imagine thinking a semi-generic link 3 summoning a floodgate from the deck and making it untargetable is only a problem because of tri brigade

[@bend4456]

Tri brigade is the only way of summoning it in a good deck, and good things are only ban worthy if they are done in good decks

[@davidsosa507]

Look, I'm as mad as you are about my friend that plays blackwing summoning that thing... ...But let's be honest, blackwings can't leave a pefect field with a huge amount of interruptions AND end up on a floodgate/extra negate.

[@zad_rasera]

It had been in the game for years, though.

[@nodeberiaestaraqui93]

Imagine thinking a card that did nothing for almost 3 years is the problem when Tribrigade was already tier 1 ever since release and keeps appearing in the meta with different flavors (Zoo, DPE, Lyrilusc, Branded)

[@AntiSoraXVI]

For Eva I think the best way to change it would simply make it a +1 instead so it can still be played by other fairy decks while drytons, even when you have the out, don’t get a orange light negate in hand. You could also set a limitation where it needs 2 or 3 fairies in the GY to activate its effect. Making it have to leave the field changes the card’s purpose too much I think

[@joshroberts5463]

I was playing bird up before the simorgh ban, and I almost always properly link summon simorgh. Typically it was ferrijit plus a bird. Preferably nerval

[@joshroberts5463]

Which is the long way of saying I think it would have to catch an errata to remove the targeting protection or just let it protect simorghs

[@gigglesthecat7216]

and then there is master duelist where the majority of this list is playable for some ungodly reason

[@stayslapped1568]

Fishborg Blaster was sweet in frog monarchs, synchro summoning level 8’s for days

[@writz2]

Congratulations on this two year journey finally coming to an end. Excellent video as always. Though, correct me if I'm wrong, you never covered Zoodiac Barrage. It was the only change to the forbidden list in October 2021, and I don't recall it being in any of the 'Banned Cards' videos.

[@martinmespiespinosa7218]

Was a nice trip through the ban list... Fun trivia: one of the first restriction lists of YuGiOh had, talking you at the time where Pharaoh's Servant, the booster pack that has Thousand Eyes Restrict in the cover was brand new or about to be released, that you can have one Pot of Greed and two Graceful Charity.

[@anonjohn9760]

The Barrier Statues are just a few cards away from being broken or problematic. All it takes is a way to search them out or special summon them from the deck and bam! Your opponent doesn't get to play Yugioh unless they are lucky enough to be playing the exact Attribute Deck of a given statue. Dear god.

[@soukenmarufwt5224]

OCG laughs at this. OCG players have no trouble and run so many stun cards and floodgates TCG dont know how to play anything but combos

[@The_Vanni]

I mean or you could normal summon a monster with over 1000, hit it over the head and continue the turn at MP2?

[@xatuyou8045]

@@soukenmarufwt5224 you mean where floowandereeze is one of the best decks?

[@alessandramaria00]

@@soukenmarufwt5224 OCG has a lot of crap

[@shis1988]

@@soukenmarufwt5224 combos that don't let the other person play anyway*

[@azuredragoon2054]

Protos could probably be fixed by giving its floodgate an errata that requires it to be face-up on the field and not having its effect negated to be in effect.

[@tranquangthang8897]

Love to see TheDuelLogs talk about meta archetype.

[@ferchubenitez1995]

The arguably best way to fix imperial order is to just delay the effect and restrict when it can be used. Make it a "can only be used during the main phase" deal then make it so the effect only starts to take place during the next turn, giving your opponent a full turn to get rid of it either face down or shortly after you activate it. It would probably mean anyone looking to resolve it now needs to have some back row protection of sort to avoid having it nuked, but it means there's a way to play around it without being stuck instantly in a unwinnable scenario. When future fusion pre-nerf existed, it was banned due to how it was free graveyard setup in a similar fashion to painful choice, and they fixed it by delaying it's effect so the opponent can just nuke it before it resolves. That approach could easily fix imperial order while the "main phase only" is to prevent a " pop it during a end phase to have the effect active right away asap".

[@sagacious03]

Great analysis video! It's kind of a shame to see this series end! Thanks so much for uploading!

[@AshBlossomWorshiper]

So now its time for the 13 hour video on all banned cards

[@Dokurider]

Protoss' floodgate could end after the opponent's battle phase, that could be a reasonable compromise.

[@AlphaSquadZero]

That would be a good idea for Imperial Order too.

[@SquashMVP]

The LP cost on Imperial Order is a good idea. There are effects that halve or subtract life points by a certain amount as opposed to physically reducing them. If the effect to pay life points was worded a little differently like it is in those cards then that might actually be a pretty fair fix.

[@Zzyzix]

Halving wouldn't work, because that would technically be a buff to Imperial Order in that it'd allow you to keep it infinitely on your side of the field as long as you could prevent your opponent from doing any damage to you. The easiest way to "fix" it would be increasing the maintenance cost to 2000 or more, but assuming they don't want to change the 700 LP cost I personally think making it so that it deducts life points per negate (similarly to how Royal Oppression works, but non-optional), alongside the cost each standby phase, would make it unbannable.

[@SquashMVP]

@@Zzyzix you know what I mean though, right? Im going for wording "lp subtraction" in a different way. If it was worded in a different way, it wouldn't work with the noted strats. Something along the lines of, "every standby phase, your lp becomes 7000 less than what it is now."

[@nicolaistuhlmuller8718]

@@SquashMVP you sound kinda confused, because your wording changes absolutely 0 about imperial order, or what "strat" is supposed to change with that. The main problem with Imperial Order is that it is usually chained to a spell for a free negate that also locks spells for the rest of the turn.

[@SquashMVP]

@@nicolaistuhlmuller8718 I mean logs noted some stuff in reference to the lp cost. You can watch the video up above me for that info. Also, thanks for repeating the info on this video? Idk if you're being logical or just talking down to me for the sake of it. Whatevs. Tbr you don't even have to chain it to gain advantage. Most of the easy access draw/searchers/removal come in the form of spells. Auto win against pend. Auto win against Rituals. With a hefty, hefty cost on imperial order, (for this example it is: decrease lp by 7000 every standby phase, reaching 0 is possible) all's you need to defeat that deck is 1k burn damage from either a trap or monster effect or just survive your opponents 2nd turn if they don't remove the card.

[@LeMisterRai]

One thing I think they could probably do for IO is give it an effect where "If this card is targeted by a card effect, destroy this card." Even if cards like Twin Twister or MST gets negated, it getting targetted would still destroy it.

[@AvianAnimator]

As someone who runs a Simorgh deck it bites to hear it was banned in TCG because of tribrigades

[@nodeberiaestaraqui93]

it happens. Just look at Synchron players

[@WildKamuran]

@@nodeberiaestaraqui93 level eater, my poor boi...... jet synchron too......we seen so many slap to the wrists that we're force to optimise outside of the box cause we can't have nice things........... also junk connector link getting that restriction, when haliqlifibrax was the evill gremlin running around making plays for synchros decks............. that restriction was unfair to yusei style link monster................

[@OmastarBro]

The thing about simorgh is that even if they give it the avremax restriction tri brigade can still summon it too easily. Fraktall effect drop nerval search Kitt summon kit active kit Harpie conductor link kit Harpie conductor into simorgh just as an example. That's a 1 card combo that gets you simorgh plus whatever simorgh is taking out of the deck, plus battle destruction protection tri brigade spell to stop your linked winged beast from being destroyed by battle which is important for barrier statue to keep it from being killed by your opponents normal summon. Still too strong

[@louc.6735]

Harpie Conductor needs 2 wind monsters. That being said, Harpie Tri could still get Simorgh out ridiculously easily with any Harpie starting combos. I assume Lyrulisc could, too.

[@OmastarBro]

Harpie conductor is a winged beast thus can be summoned with any tri brigade effect, then you link Harpie conductor plus Kitt into simorgh because simorgh just requires 2 monsters with one of them (Harpie conductor) being winged beast

[@fireheart8878]

I play Simorgh Lyrillusc in Master Duel, so having Big Bird back in the TCG would be a dream come true for me.

[@uaeoaeoeoi]

An alternative change for Imperial order could be a cost of half your life points, it would still maintain its original purpose, but you would essentially be made of glass to any battle or burn focused deck, making it high risk to activate.

[@MrZer093]

As for Imperial Order, even some decks that used spells were using it. By just using up all your own spells and then setting it, you can stop your opponent from doing the same thing. Like, why should you care you can’t use your spells to set up anymore when you’re already setup? Though of course it was only for decks that just mostly used them for searching or summoning from grave and didn’t heavily rely on them like with Sky Striker.

[@MyName_IsGeoff]

Ah, seeing so many cards I've come to hate in Master duel getting banned in the actual card game just reaffirms my choice to stop playing until they come out with an updated ban list for MD. Great video

[@shis1988]

I mean, omni-negation cards will not be banned, ever. But I love how these, which only some don't allow you to play (clearly not a factor for banning in the TCG), are a problem but not quite literally not allowing the opponent to play.

[@fredyramirez3035]

I played MD for the first month. And I hated it. I just remember that they had to ban eldritch due to duel links players

[@Asako_Gaming]

Maybe in 5 years time it will be updated with current cards. It's literally text being programmed in and they can do it as soon as the cards are announced. Shocking stuff from Konami.

[@fukou_da]

I mean even when these cards get banned, it's not like they'll stop printing broken cards. Have fun when DPE gets in the game.

[@Asako_Gaming]

@@fukou_da Absolutely, and the fanbase will eat it up. No backbone at all. Throw their money at Konami and Konami are sitting there laughing at them. Absolute mugs game. They've shown they don't care about the game and have made no attempt to balance it. Print busted cards, ban busted cards after everyone has bought them, print even more busted cards. Look guys we banned the busted cards, we're listening wink wink.

[@yahiaaymankamaly3518]

Simorg is my favourite main deck monster

[@youtubeuniversity3638]

A thought: What if at opponent's end phase they could pay same LP amount to destroy it?

[@alexanderrobins7497]

For Imperial Order, I could see banishing a spell card from you hand to activate it would reign it in. Maybe also require it to be activated during your turn too.

[@fredyramirez3035]

@@alexanderrobins7497 adding some actual restrictions makes more sense for this card. But the banishing seems like a good idea too. Specially for those decks without magic cards he mentioned in the video. Other option I see is giving it a once per turn single target. Aka. Make it a worse version of de-spell or mst.

[@fredyramirez3035]

After that. The other option is giving it a convoluted activation requirement. Make it a gamble effect (like chaos Neos. With it's 3 coin toss). Worst case scenario? scrap all that we mentioned already. Make it a single use card with a once per duel effect and limited to 1 copy.

[@JAN0L]

I would make it so you could only activate it at the start of your turn so your opponent can destroy it during their turn while it's face down and you can't use spells yourself before activating it. Also increase the LP cost to 1400 and make you take 1400 damage when the card is destroyed, so if your opponent can stall you long enough and you can't close out the game the card will kill you. Even with the LP cost not being optional it's bullshit that if you can't pay the cost on your turn the card will just remove itself and you can play spells again.

[@mayaneko1094]

Imperial Order might be fixable, if it destroys itself on your end phase, so that the opponent only gets the negative effect of it once and on top of it being unaffected by card effects of the owner itself (the opponent can still destroy it), so that he can't get rid of it in his own turn.

[@fredyramirez3035]

That's what I've been sayingnthe whole day. The two best options that I can think: - make its effect similar to de spell: once per turn during your turn only. target a magic/trap. If it's a spell. Negate it and destroy. If not face it down whithout activation. - keep the same effect and cost. But remove the infinite symbol. Limit to 1 copy and add a once per duel clause

[@nicolaistuhlmuller8718]

Your "fix" actually powers up the card. Not to its old days where players would just let it self destruct during the standby phase, but still making it a lot stronger.

[@mayaneko1094]

@@nicolaistuhlmuller8718 In which way? It does exactely the same for a shorter period of time for the opponent, so just being less of an annoyance (because they only needs to wait for 2 turns instead for potentially 11 turns, while still being able to destroy it, when they can still play without spell cards up to their first backrow removal monster effect), while the one who plays it can't just take the cheap rout at destroying it in their next turn, so they definitely need to wait they need to fully evaluate, if they can affort to use thise double edged sword, which they can't get rid off until their own end phase, where it automatically destroys itself to make sure, that their opponent are the first ones, who can use psell cards again.

[@nicolaistuhlmuller8718]

@@mayaneko1094 IO is mostly used as a free Magic Jammer with no discard cost since it can just be chained to any spell to negate it right away, then negates any further spells for the rest of the turn. As long as IO accomplishes that, it's still pretty broken, everything else is just the cherry on top. And the current decks who used IO barely used any spells at all or not beyond the first turn anyways, so the drawback doesn't matter to them.

[@v257to]

This series inspired me to make a banlist binder, i now have every banned card in current yugioh lol

[@nicolaistuhlmuller8718]

As for imperial order, how about making it only negate the first spell card activated each turn instead of every spell card while also increasing the lp cost? That way it would more be a "tax" to spell heavy decks that has actual counterplay than a full lockdown. Also maybe make it so it can only be activated during the standby phase so it can't just be chained to spell cards, an ability which currently makes it like a buffed up Solemn Judgement for spells. So the final version would be like this: "can only be activated at the beginning of a standby phase. The first time a player activates a spell card during each turn, negate that spell card. During each standby phase, pay 1000 lp (not optional) or this card is destroyed.

[@lim3458]

so why dont you play right hand instead?

[@nicolaistuhlmuller8718]

@@lim3458 because right hand only works while you control a spellcaster, so we have the stronger version that requires a spellcaster on the field and the generic one which affects both players and costs lp during each turn

[@fredyramirez3035]

There are s few ways to fix this card that I can think of: 1) Adding a convoluted requirement. 2) Make it a ST once per turn. 3) make it a gamble. Like chaos Neos and his 3 coin toss effect. 4) keep the same effect and cost for activations. But remove the infinite symbol. Add a once per duel clause and limited to 1 copy.

[@pkmnlover3812]

@@fredyramirez3035 #4 would def make it unplayable as most likely nobody would use it

[@fredyramirez3035]

@@pkmnlover3812 yeah. Being realistic and fair. The only way to make it viable is number 2 (a de-spell that you can use once per turn with a lp cost) and 4.

[@Skios]

I play Imperial Order in True Draco on Master Duel. It really is great value, even if you do use your own Spell Cards - you simply tribute the Imperial Order for a True Draco summon when you need your Spells.

[@NightmareEadin]

Protos can actually be reliably summoned in Unchained because of the two twins who are fire and water respectively. Fun jank in Master Duel

[@underkitten]

Its not about reliably summoning it, it's the fact the deck could reliably search it as well

[@NightmareEadin]

@@underkitten i realize that It is an insane issue and a justifiable ban. Just saying if anyone sees that it is unbanned in MD because Swordsoul isn't fully out yet in that game. So if a more TCG focused list ever releases it's better to mess with it while you still can

[@NeostormXLMAX]

@@underkitten any deck that can main deck all the nemesis cards can search it easily, aka stuff like weather painters, s force, ritual beasts etc, or any deck that banishes a lot of stuff like skull servants,

[@siftheadsdude]

It’s so odd to hear you talk about banned cards from recent banlists since you’ve gone over so many old cards haha Please do these again when we have more cards banned. Maybe even do a series like this for the limited list?

[@B-Ran_the_Man]

10:54. Drytrons!!! *PTSD from Master Duel activates*

[@onlyicedgarrett7791]

I'm really curious why Jet Synchron is unlimited in the OCG and Master Duel but flat out banned in the TCG?

[@jonnyguy3000]

Because OCG and MD have Maxx C at 3 to keep it in check

[@waihochow4635]

OCG has Maxx C to rein in any mass special summon decks while TCG doesn't. Since TCG don't have many ways to stop crystron halqifibrax as OCG at the time, Konami tried to banned all the smaller tuners to prevent Halqifibrax abuse.

[@shadowdragon714]

@@waihochow4635 so just bring back Maxx C then. :D

[@andrejv.2834]

Because the ocg's banlist is very weird, maxx c is supposed to keep combo decks in check, which obviously doesn't work with drytron, adventurer tenyi, tri lyrilusc, adamancipator, vw etc all showing up on road of the king charts, some in bigger numbers than others, and a better example being 6 out of the top 16 decks in the ocg's last ycs being combo, the list that won playing halqdon turbo, and guess what card works really well in halq combos

[@NeosSimp]

@@jonnyguy3000 That is such a bs argument

[@gabrote42]

0:51 Coalecanth was unknown to me. Good Good job!

[@Crawm111]

man i should’ve been running 3 simorgh in the main deck before he got banned

[@Discount_Thor]

I think a good errata to Imperial Order would be the restriction that while you control it you also can’t activate or control trap cards. Decks like Dragon Link did fine with a restriction like this when Sekka’s Light was at 3. It was the only spell played in the deck and the deck focused on building a strong monster focused end board.

[@davidjimenez3822]

that would defo be interesting since it weakens stun decks using other floodgate traps like skill drain and summon limit, although personally I would have prefered if it worked like Magician's Right Hand, which only negates the first activated spell on the turn

[@blueeaglegaming6050]

Simorgh is strong, but the consensus seems to be that the problem is the wind barrier statue, as it's still surched out in flunder. Lyricsusc is the the strongest version of tri-brigade, but the release of ensemblue Robin is a strong enuf replacement that deck will not stop seeing play.

[@andrejv.2834]

The deck does see a lot less play thanks to the ban and the recital limit, and a lot of people weren't even playing the statue including the list that won a ycs The wind barrier statue is fine in flunder because it's in a bad deck, the problem is when a degenerate deck like full power tri lyrilusc abuses it

[@KuroeNezumi]

I like link simorgh a lot, and even understand why it is written as it is, but with the barrier statue and apex avian being around, and good winged-beast cards with on-special summon effects existing, like nerval or cobalt sparrow, it is extremely hard to justify it not being banned (and hard to figure out a proper errata to reign it it).

[@andrejv.2834]

@@KuroeNezumi it should absolutely be banned, it was just waiting to be abused Only possible errata to fix it would be to make it only work with simorgh monsters or make it require 3 simorgh monsters

[@ssengageisop3952]

@@andrejv.2834 yah very annoying link

[@nodeberiaestaraqui93]

How about hitting Tribrigade instead, they just keep being meta no matter how many hits they get

[@TrinityDestroyer]

I used Eva in a Herald of Perfection deck. It was very helpful, but limiting Benten to 1 is what really hurt the deck.

[@copperfield42]

how about this as a fix for Imperial Order: activate by discarding a spell card and a maintenance cost of banishing 2 spell card s from grave and/or hand.

[@hikaritsumi2123]

I like this idea, maintenance cost as a spell card in your hand so even if you can't maintain it, that's guaranteed for you to not habe your own spell to play. I'd put it as "After you activate this card you cannot use spell card for the rest of this duel (even when this card leave the field) , during each stand by phase, you must banished spell from your hand face-down otherwise destroy this card" Ps. Now that I think about it. The broken thing about this card is a "Cold wave" effect so It should have ridiculous activation cost rather than maintenance.

[@Blothars]

Keep up the videos bro love your content!!

[@NeviTheLettyFan]

I'm so happy to see Archnemeses Protos there

[@thatoneperson3113]

people be like "banquet of millions is ruining master duel" when half these cards are unbanned

[@mohammadbawwab2194]

In master duel. For the simorgh monster, there is a mist valley monster that has an effect when it's returned back to the hand you can special summon it to your field (not once per turn). With lyrilusc tri- brigade , you can summon union carrier after summoning the simorgh , equip this mist valley monster and with the lvl 7 monster you can return it back then special summoning itself back on the field creating infinite loop of negating.

[@nodeberiaestaraqui93]

Union Carrier is a broken card on it's own, it was banned already for a good reason and that lock with Simorgh wasn't even the most disgusting thing it could do

[@Yoonoh]

me, a masterduel player "ah why can't that be banned for us aswell" :)

[@Ergeniz]

me, a masterduel player "ah why can't that be unbanned for us aswell" :)

[@sirEthereal]

I can't believe I've been going up against banned cards this whole time

[@bireland2012]

They could change Imperial Order to limit the number of spells played in a turn as opposed to stopping spells from being played completely that way if you opponent does have an MST or other removal they can get rid of it. If they are going to change it like that they might as well just make a retrain if a card that does this doesn't already exist.

[@melvinshine9841]

So kind of like a Summon Limit for spells. I was almost going to say to add a restriction where it has to be activated at the start of the Main Phase so you can't just wait to negate a specific card, but that might defeat the whole purpose of it being a Trap.

[@WindriderDelta]

I have absolutely no knowledge of YuGiOh (more of a BuddyFight player myself) but I'm watching because my friend is really into it and I wanna be able to talk about it with him Watching these banned combos clueless but very fascinated

[@HypAzTubE]

no intro, barely an outro... love it

[@SuperMophie]

I think the best way to fix Imperial Order is to apply the effect during the turn player it is activated while having the choice of maintaining the card. That way, the opponent still has the right to activate spell cards either during their turn or our turn.

[@rif3101]

10 cards that banned for shortest duration

[@Ian-lb3iv]

It'll be exciting to see if there's just one long supercut video encompassing all of these into one long video. Be a nice thing to have in the background I suppose.

[@immakarma2516]

The intro: *adios*

[@chaosthegod]

Great video! Simorgh could actually make Harpie decks playable in a rogue/tier 2 scenario. I really hope it's unbanned at some point.

[@superbaas8822]

Easiest fix to Imperial Order: When a player resolves a spell card, they may pay 700 lifepoints or the effect is negated. This card cannot be destroyed by the effects of spell cards.

[@fredyramirez3035]

There's another option. More restrictive and would kill the viability: Remove the infinite symbol. Limit the copies to 1. Make it pay 700 lp to activate it. Add a once per duel clause.

[@nirolf12]

@@fredyramirez3035 Maybe if you make it pay 7000 life points. One turn of spell negates is what most meta decks need.

[@fredyramirez3035]

@@nirolf12 half your lp or just a mandatory 2k like mirror wall sounds more reasonable (unless you're playing self destruct decks). Remember that IO is necessary against meta decks that abuse of spells Wich can be really broken. So unless you play that cannon that negates spells. You're running out of options.

[@azneyes5636]

Imperial order errata: negate the first 2 spellcards from each player during either players turn and the same maintenance

[@Big1nz]

That would litteraly fix nothing about its being overly oppressive. Two spell card negates 😂, that's still too good.

[@TheDragonMasterChannel]

My Imperial Order fix that would absolutely nuke its use in floodgate decks, it's something that we've been doing for ages in monsters but for some reason it hasn't been used on backrow so much: -This is the only spell/trap that you can control OR -This is the only spell/trap you can have face-up on the field

[@HorizonEdge]

I went up against Simorgh once in master duel and couldnt believe that such a card existed. Glad to know thats its banned outside of master duel

[@ThePeyPeySan]

Even if Simorgh could only be properly summoned, it would still be extemely powerful. The Tribrigade Lyrilusc deck would usually hard make Simorgh anyway with Ferrijit plus any bird.

[@mateusrp1994]

I've seen Dinosaur decks use Reprodocus, a completely generic link-2 that can change either the type or attribute of a monster it points to to whatever you want. So you can call Winged-Beast and use it and the changed monster to go into Simorgh, since it only requires 1 winged-beast.

[@nodeberiaestaraqui93]

@@mateusrp1994 a Dinosaur deck using that sounds like the most inconsistent shit ever

[@ElPikminMaster]

For Fishborg Blaster, I would instead errata it so that it can only be used as a material (for any Extra Deck summon) for a Water monster...but then I realized the one Link Monster 99+% of the time this will go into, Halq, IS a Water Monster, so I would add a restriction that the player can only Special Summon Water monsters the turn Fishborg Blaster's (1) effect is used.

[@TooMuchDad]

Ah yes, my favorite main deck monster, Simorgh, Bird of Sovereignty

[@smilingspectra]

You can also perform an Exodia FTK by having Brain Research Lab, Mind Master, and 3 copies of Caam the Serenity of Gusto and making them do an infinite draw.

[@MrJamesmac10]

For imperial order they could errata it with a summon limiter effect were you can only use 2 spell effects per turn giving opportunity to an out

[@LeoGuitarize]

Banning Simorgh, Bird of Sovereignty was a punch in the face of the simorgh archetype. I will never forgive Lyrilusc Tri Brigade for this.

[@nodeberiaestaraqui93]

Even worse when Tribrigade keeps appearing in Tier 1 lists Even in the OCG, Branded Tribrigade is now a thing

[@santiagogalf]

also for harpies :/ the banning of simorgh is the only reason i still keep playing master duel instead of tcg online

[@LeoGuitarize]

@@santiagogalf harpies are cool!

[@mr.thekid3827]

Maybe the effect of imperial order could be something of a cost for it's use, rather than a cost for it's upkeep, it might have to be a retrain, but something as simple as "During your opponents turn, when a spell card is activated, you take 2000 damage, then negate and destroy the effect" might be enough. This way it's dangerous to use, but can still be used as a powerful floodgate- of course this means if they play 4 spell cards you instantly lose, which means it can still shut down decks, but, if they run lots of spells, there's a chance you just killed yourself by going first cause only 4 of their 6 cards need to be spells to OTK you with your own effect. This way it takes a LOT more setup to actually use as a floodgate, and can actively hurt you if your opponent just uses a bunch of spells in one turn. It probably would see very little if any competitive play, but would still work as a powerful floodgate, with the cost not being maintenance, or stopping yourself, but the chance your own card may just kill you through your opponent's actions.

[@Endonae]

Love how you pronounced Coelacanth correctly without skipping a beat

[@thepinms]

Imagine if Drytron still had Eva that would just be stupid.

[@nodeberiaestaraqui93]

It's still stupid, they just lost an extra card for their turn 3. They can still make a full combo of Herald + Mu Beta Fafnir + Apollousa + IP Masquerena The only thing Eva being banned did is making them autolose to Dark Ruler No More, banning Benten would have been a better hit

[@zechsmarquis]

Aside from Skill drain, DNA transplant could another possible counter to protos' effect, By activating it in response to the effect to change 1 of your own monsters to any attribute other than the attribute declared for protos' effect, though the monster would still need enough atk to destroy protos, though DNA transplant is just a prevention measure, to give a monster a chance to take protos down.

[@kongk4]

I think the most realistic way to "fix" IO while retaining its purpose is to give it an activation restriction like: "Can only be activated when a monster is summoned or when a trap/monster effect is activated." This way it can't prevent the OUT by itself and your opponent will have to commit to a different negate to protect it. This isn't perfect either of course since it go back to the same problem with top tier decks, however at least it'll make them think twice to respond if IO is their only set.

[@effluxi9587]

Maybe you could add a clause to imperial order that says "Negates the effects of spell cards, unless they would remove this card from the field" so that it's not protected against it's outs? Still not fun to play against but at least you can remove it.

[@airikan3414]

Think a good fix to IO would be to put a restriction where it can be the only trap card active on your field. Basically something like; "This card can only be activated if you control no face-up trap cards. You cannot activate other trap cards while this card is face-up on the field." This cuts its potential decks down significantly since it'd lock out both player's spells and your own traps as well.

[@Mirvana]

Imperial Order could probably be errataed/retrained to make it only negate spell cards that don't target Order (so it'd still stop hate cards like Harpy's Feather Duster, but not Cosmic Cyclone) and either drastically increase the LP-cost each turn, and/or give it a forced expiration after X turns (like Swords of Revealing Light).

[@mmmsheehoo]

How about tribute for cost? Imperial Order Continuous Trap "Tribute 1 effect monster; Negate all Spell effects on the field. Once per turn, during the Standby Phase, you must Tribute 1 monster (this is not optional), or this card is destroyed. You cannot activate this card as Chain Link 2 or higher."

[@yugiohmasterduelvqt3497]

No. Too strong. Some card can infinte loop with this

[@JoaoPaulo-nq2vb]

That wouldn't do much, negating all spells effects for a turn is probably enough to win the game and the deck that uses it the most (Eldlich) can use traps as monsters so they can easily pay the cost

[@mmmsheehoo]

@@yugiohmasterduelvqt3497 how can you infinite loop with this? It has an activation cost and a maintenance cost same as Regulation of the Tribe even. I was thinking of changing this card into a continuous spell card at first but idk how everyone would react to a trap turning into a spell or the confusion that would bring when using old copies of it

[@mmmsheehoo]

@@JoaoPaulo-nq2vb yeah maybe changing the cost to "Effect monsters" might do something at least

[@bluerendar2194]

Doesn't that make it too easy to turn off still just by not having any monsters when your turn rolls around again? Maybe a mandatory discard/banish, or some very negative on-destroy effect could work with it though.

[@aoruakasa7554]

Even tough Simorgh can be called by every tri monster, usually it still be link summoned from ferjit+1 winged beast, so even if it only gain its extra effect when link summoned the simorgh on tri lyrilusc kinda doesnt care about that at all and Simorgh still can be used as like now in Master Duel.

[@LeoGuitarize]

Ahh, Simorghs. The cards that every motherfucker uses in their deck but refuse to use the archetype.

[@killerbife]

hmm, I dont think making simorgh’s effect only work if he is actually link summoned would cut it. Bird Up would most of the time summon this card without cheating it anyway. That being said that deck was already hit really hard when they put starling to 1, so who knows.

[@slenderman4788]

Yes, this exactly. In a full tri-lyrilusc-combo, it usually gets link summoned properly anyways. It just increased the power ceiling to an obnoxious point. Sure, tri-brigade helps getting it out reliably by making the link monsters used as material for it, but it's just the fact that simorgh doesn't require a simorgh card to make, which made it a little too busted.

[@andrejv.2834]

Also having the ability to protect the statue assuming the build is playing it using double dragon lords to bounce any normal summon, and his type enables fairly easy oath gy setup, negating anti combo cards in dark ruler or droplet on top of everything

[@killerbife]

@@andrejv.2834 Oath actually fell of grace after a while, but I agree with you. I used to play the more “fair” version of the deck with Avian and no statue. That being said the deck is insane lol, imo it could have reached tier 0 if it weren’t for swordsoul.

[@andrejv.2834]

@@killerbife tier 0 would probably be a bit much, there's a reason only a few selected decks reached that status, and some partially did due to circumstance, like spyral being the best at spamming monsters which started mattering with links, with mr4 also bringing the power level of the game down as a whole for a while But the deck is absolutely insane, it virtually has no bad match up, is eaqually as good going 1st or 2nd, has no clear choke point and a very good grind game

[@MercuryA2000]

Honestly, just specifying "Your" spell and traps would probably help a lot. It would restrict you to only the wind statue version, and you could only have 1 backrow when you did that.

[@chanceneck8072]

I thought this series was already finished. I don't keep track with current banned lists, but I haven't seen these style of videos for such a long time now....

[@theshadowking9626]

what are the odds you uploaded video right after I started watching your go to sleep playlist to make work go by faster

[@chrisstewart3809]

With imperial order, switch control of the life point cost to your opponent on there turn. Then they can decide whether or not to pay the 700 life points

[@mechag3000]

To fix Simorgh, just change its materials to be 3 Simorgh monsters, that's it. Would be unbanned tomorrow and only usable in Simorgh decks

[@LeoGuitarize]

Coming from a mono Simorghs player, i support this, but 3 is kinda too much though. 2+ for a link up would be more even to be used with conductor.

[@mechag3000]

As a Simorgh player as well, running pure Simorgh I can do it semi consistently

[@LeoGuitarize]

@@mechag3000 do you play duel links? Just wondering.

[@mechag3000]

@@LeoGuitarize no, master duel lol I was going to actually make my pure simorgh deck irl but when I was going to they banned Sovereignty lmao

[@LeoGuitarize]

@@mechag3000 oh i see. It's just that i play both but links are not in the game yet, nor Elborz. So you can imagine the pain of running a simorgh deck without links, dark simorgh, repulsion or even sky battle...

[@Epzilon12]

I’d make Imperial Order either: only negate the first spell used during a turn or do as you said, where it negates the person whose turn it is’s spell cards

[@vidrenth841]

Congrats on getting through all of them 🎉

[@r4nd0mguy99]

Explaining all the banned cards slowly turns into “Why a HOPT isn’t always enough to make a card at least somewhat fair.”.

[@kookou13]

Imperial order is easy to fix. New effect : Anytime someone use a spell card while this card is on the field, the opponent of the player who activated the spell card may punch the player who activated the spell card in the balls. However the player who activated the spell card could negate being punched by choosing to negate and destroy their own spell card that they had activated. The player who activated imperial order will get punched every turn by the opposing player at the end phase of every turn. This is not optional.

[@albertorodrigomolinasortiz471]

Some times I like to blame frogs for Fishborg's ban, my Fish Synchro deck being an innocent victim of that ban. Other times I like to think I alone caused the ban. Just before the ban, when Shooting Quasar Dragon was added to Dueling Network, I built a deck that focused on synchro summon with Librarian and Formula, and always ended with two Shooting Quasar Dragon on the field and all Exodia pieces in the hand. Fishborg, Pot of Avarice, and Librarian were hit in the same banlist after I built that deck.