Explaining Digimon: PAILDRAMON DIGIVOLUTION LINE [Digimon Conversation #60]

Let us talk about Paildramon and its digivolution line which include: (Black) Imperialdramon Dragon Mode, (Black) Imperialdramon Fighter Mode & Imperialdramon Paladin Mode. To be honest, I am surprised it has so many modes. Would DinoBeemon go through as many modes?
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00:00 Intro
00:52 Paildramon
08:34 Imperialdramon Dragon Mode
16:40 Imperialdramon Fighter Mode
18:43 Imperialdramon Paladin Mode
23:40 BlackImperialdramon Dragon Mode
26:10 BlackImperialdramon Figher Mode
26:37 Outro
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[@SuperGamefreak18]

I feel like a common mistake most people don't get with the tamers/digidestines and the descriptions that you share with your community, is the fact that you are talking wild individuals who never interacted with humans or never was apart of a settlement. The classic nature vs nurture situation. I also feel like Ken and Davis would be able to control their imperialdramon dragon mode if the form became permanent because the close bond they had with the previous form, it would be rocky but wouldn't be impossible. A wild one...CERTAINLY they would have no chance.

[@gabrielrasilva]

Truth. Mainly due to the fact that the battle mode makes it clear that imperialdramon has intelligence and what is lacking is better control over draconic instinct, if instinct wins and imperialdramon switches to black mode then we would have another skullgraymon and Tai situation . But as has been shown more than once in the series, digimon that gain power by digivice tend to have more conscience (read conscience as feelings and intelect inherited by the tamers) than natural versions.

[@MrThaiTuber]

The "Pile" in Paildramon's name is a variant name for javelins, referring it's insectoid stingers.

[@Gadlight]

Also it comes from the "Pilebunker" which is similar to the stingers in its arms. Surprised he make a mistake so obvious.

[@NagaYamiyo]

Paildramon has always been one of my favorite Digimon, more than Imperialdramon (and personally Fighter Mode is my favorite of the 3 Modes). It's Wire Punch is the attack and concept I've loved the most!

[@ktvx.94]

Imperialdramon dragon mode is my favorite digimon. It's a shame that it's treated as a stepping stone for the other modes. To be fair though, many digimon, even non megas, are crazily overpowered if their descriptions are taken to heart. When everything's overpowered, nothing is. I always say that digimons' lores are what would come out from children with an adult's knowledge.

[@Kragith]

I mean Clockmon's a champion and take a peek at what it can do.

[@xDinomanx]

I think the main issue with Imperialdramon is in 02 is as you said, we didn't get to witness his Dragon Mode's power at full display. Even though he does mention having a Mega Crusher attack in his debut, he never uses it. That being said in the anime, his Positron laser attack was able to destroy every single control spire in Japan at once which is still a very impressive feat for the digimon, on top of having the speed of a jet when he delivered the Digidestined to different parts of the world to help return Digimon to the digital world. Im[erialdramon then after that achieves itsFighter Mode by being nerfed in his battle with SkullSatamon (the whole fight was stupid especially when you had the Ultimates all there as well to assist). The only three fights Imperialdramon had after that were with Daemon, BlackWargreymon and MaloMyotismon.

[@theonewhoismany8072]

Nerfed my ass. Level doesn't denote power and Skullsatamon in all his appearences has proven to be a high Ultimate level while being a Perfect. - Destroyed Imperialdramon Dragon Mode's data who btw 02 era Imperialdramon Dragon is officially stated to have equal power to Wargreymon and has power equal to a god. God in context reffers to the Four Sacred Beasts. And it makes sense. Wargreymon defeated 2 Dark Masters who have defeated in battle and sealed the Sacred Beasts(Piemon beat Qinglongmon by himself) - The three Skullsatamon brothers gave problems to Kaiser Greymon and Magna Garurumon Digimon who hold the power of 5 Warrior Ten at once, each one of them possesing power surpassing Ultimate Level Digimon from present day. - Fought toe to toe with the Demon Lord Beelzebumon and only lost narowly And the main reason they couldn't have him go all out is because he is highly destructive and all his fights took place in the human world. Imagine what could happen if he let loose in the middle of a city.

[@ultralucario9152]

17:53 Fun fact: When Imperialdramon FM figure first came in 02 era, Giga Death was said to be a thousand times more powerful than Mega Death, likely referencing difference between Megabyte and Gigabyte. But then later profiles retconned it to be 10x

[@LegionAngel00]

The difference in stingmon seems to be it's focus on physical rather than special attacks wherefore elemental attacks mean less

[@coccaa]

you have some of the most in-depth and detailed videos ive come across recently, these digivolution line videos are so entertaining ive only recently gotten into digimon and im so glad ive found your channel, gonna binge all of these digivolution vids now XD

[@SuperGamefreak18]

My thought with why some insects cant use their electric abilities are a simple one, they either have no use for so they evolved to not need them, like wormmon's line and kunemon's line where kunemon only needs it because its a weaker digimon, or they aren't direct descendants of the legendary warriors. Like how tentomon's full line can use electric attacks because they are directly related to ancient beetlemon.

[@gabrielrasilva]

one thing that I always found strange is the fact that none of the digimons belonging to the group of 7 demon lords have in their description the ability to corrupt the server by entering the server, something that would be interesting is that at some point in the past each of the 7 lords demonics corrupted a server and that's why they are so dangerous and need to be stopped asap, only two of them did something similar, Lucemon in tamers 4 and Barbamon (in a manga if I'm not mistaken) but the others still need to show they are really capable (aside from the vague description of power given by the wiki).

[@miteihiro3283]

I'd actually love to see a combination of Imperialdramon and Omegamon Alter S, as well as a BlackImperialdramon with Omegamon Zwart, and Zwart Alter B. Both forms would be absolutely amazing, and disgustingly overpowered lol

[@slobodandesic6910]

Finaly you Finaly make imperaldramon line for so long!

[@Rhatios]

The more I watch your videos, the more I learn about digimon lore, your videos are awesome.

[@vampireraze]

I have a couple of theories as to why some the insect digimon have electric abilities and some do not, the first theory is that maybe the descendants of ancient beetlemon’s bloodlines might have mixed with the bloodlines of other legendary warriors. Like if some of Ancient Kazemon’s fairy and bird descendants and ancient beetlemon’s descendants blended you could likely get an insect digimon that specializes in the element of wind (or and this is kinda unrelated but a fairy or bird digimon with electric abilities) of course another theory is that the insect digimon just simply evolved to not have electricity because it is not needed

[@youtubestudiosucks978]

Thank you for your continious hard work to keep us entertained. :)

[@Reddotzebra]

I always figured that the positron laser was a regular laser powered by antimatter, which is why we don't see giant mushroom clouds every time he fires it.

[@jackmarquise]

I love the way you explain and the accuracy you put in your videos

[@florantlover5554]

Black Digitron video? Like the effects it has on some of the infected digimon. Like black growlmon being an absolute menace along with the rest of its line.

[@batzgameguru]

I remember seeing fighter mode in the movie and not knowing he could be bad, thought thats why was he fighting the tamers

[@abraarquraishi1681]

2 things. 1- the reason i think that paildramon can use electricity and stimgmon can’t is because of xveemon being an ancient digimon. I think that allowed it to awaken some of the powers insect digimon lost to age. Dinobeemon doesn’t have access to this because i don’t think enough of the ancient gene from xveemon is being expressed, or is being overpowered by stingmon. 2- I see grankuwagamon as a counterpart to imperialdramon, dinobeemon’s evolution. It’s body shape is very similar to imperialdramon, and looks like an insect counterpart to it. Also, it is the mega of wormmon in alot of cases, like in brave tamer, and evolves from dinobeemon in cyber sleuth.

[@ultralucario9152]

2- Also that GradisKuwagamon is like a counterpart of Imperialdramon FM with both being humanoid warriors

[@ali.3834]

finally!!! some justice for the underrated imperialdramon!

[@RlKrav]

I always thought that the Knights would usually work alone in their own areas, towards their own goals/programming, wiping out viruses, fixing areas effected by virus data, keeping the peace. Only when something comes along that a single Knight cannot beat is when they call them all together Avengers style to take care of the threat

[@xero1048]

I'd love to see Alphamon wield the omega blade

[@colinmasterson666]

16:17 and this is why i think that my theory of partner Digimon being the exceptions among their respective species holds more merit. Example: because Izzy’s Tentomon was linked to a digivice it was able to retain its abilities of high thought and reasoning when it digivolved unlike it’s wild counterparts who, according to the lore and Nostalgia’s video on the Tentomon species, are solely driven by pure animalistic instinct alone.

[@jordanstankovich2615]

Just throwing this out there, I may be completely wrong as I haven't study the subject as much as you Jesse...what if dinobeemon next digivolution was BLKimpaildramon dragon-mode if it done so naturally? Big fan of your work by the way

[@henrydrago]

I somewhere heard someone saying dinobeemon may evolve to Grankuwagamon and like a "fighter mode" evolve to Grandiskuwagamon.

[@valkyrasonara1797]

From all the mega level partner Digimon I like Imperialdramon DM the most 😁 It would be so cool if Paildramon did a dark digivolution to Black Imperialdramon in the anime 😍

[@HORRIOR1]

Kinda funny to think that Mega/Giga Death has less power than Positronic Laser. The areas of destruction is considerably smaller, and Dark matter, even when super condensed, is nowhere near as dangerous as antimatter. Also, another clue as to what happened in the ancient times, one of AncientGreymon's previous forms is Imperialdramon Paladin mode.

[@ultralucario9152]

Dark Matter used by Imperialdramon is darkness that erases everything it touches rather than dark matter theorized irl. Also that evolution is from DW3, and that game has some questionable evolutions, but it's Digimon so anything will evolve into anything.

[@theonewhoismany8072]

@@ultralucario9152 And darkness in Digimon is equivalent with nothingness,death, non-evolution, the seven deadly sins,the void of nothingness that predates existence.

[@mysetlist2118]

I believe paildramon can use electricity because it got power from one of azulongmon digicore

[@SandaSielRonstaldo]

I would to see BlackImperialDragon FM evolve even further. Paladin on some game has its counterpart: Death Knight. So I want to see BlackImperialDragon: Dark Knight mode

[@leonryuko970]

I was wondering if you'd be so kind as to do a video on Jupitermon or Plutomon. Members of the Olympus twelve and very interesting Digimon in my opinion. If you'd be so kind, I'd like to hear your thoughts on them, and the results of your research.

[@Primordial_Radiance]

What if "free" actually means that it's an empty slot. Like the line hasn't picked up a trait to fill the family slot and later versions might have it added in or mutate into a family.

[@AngelicSoulGamingAndAnime]

I always liked dragon mode more tho paladin mode is a close second i just loved the gigantic size of the dragon mode you start to think and it came out of these two digimon ? As for paladin mode im not really a fan of the black on normal fighter mode it does look cool i guess but i just loved paladin mode with white armor more and the sword i always loved to see what he can do with it what style of fighting does he use ? Such a mystery

[@insanemakaioshin]

1. Imperialdramon with Omnimon Merciful mode sword would be Overpowered. 2. I think Lucemon's rebellion predates the Knights by millennia. 3. I think the Imperialdramon Paladin that founded the Royal Knights were the Omnimon & UlforceVeedramon in the Knights.

[@WillowTheUnit]

Although this comment is a bit off topic with the video it's on, I wanted to comment about what had baffled me for a long time. Although you had made videos that talk about Allmost all the Digimon Tamers partners, you had never made a video for Terriermon and Lopmon. Maybe one of these days can you make a video about them please?

[@digirally97]

Good

[@slickotaku6608]

if you could could you do a video on ludomon and zubamon and their fused mega ragna Lordmon it would be real help

[@Magnamaster]

Can you do a video on alphamon and as shoryuken mode

[@alanlegarda7866]

Can we get another video of a jogress digimon like Chaosmon and chaosmon valdur arm.

[@Necro_123]

Imperialdramon paladin mode existence is a paradox. Imperialdramon is an ancient digimon but omegamon is not. During the ancient digital world there was no metalgarurumon and wargreymon instead there were ancientgreymon and ancientgarurumon so omegamon couldn’t be form. There’s a theory that says that an omegamon went back in time somehow and gave his power to an imperialdramon fighter mode and that’s how it was form. Then the omegamon or paladin mode when back to the future and thats way it is said that paladin mode disappeared.

[@gabrielrasilva]

Maybe paladin mode is more like a miracle but can be formed with battle I Battle mode and Omegamon (one that sometimes is considered a miracle it self)

[@Justic_]

That would assume that Imperialdramon absolutely needs an Omegamon to enter Paladin Mode, but in some instances in the past, or at the very least in Cyber Sleuth, Imperialdramon Fighter Mode was able to digivolve into Paladin Mode without needing to Jogress with Omegamon. Them being a Jogress feels more like an assumption based on its movie-appearence and their generally similar looks, but for what we know, the Paladin Mode that existed in the distant past might've simply been a natural evolution, later on giving its power to Omegamon perhaps in a similar way to how Omegamon gave its power to OmegaShoutmon in Digimon Xros Wars. I think you could also generally call into question what Omegamon is, if it's simply just a combination of WarGreymon and MetalGarurumon, as the only aspect of it that directly is related to them is its arms, and there is for example also Omegamon Alter S which uses BlitzGreymon and CresGarurumon instead, so might any combination of a Greymon-family and a Garurumon-family just lead to an Omegamon-form? Which, btw, should've also existed in the ancient Digital World, as they were the ones that inherited AncientGreymon and AnceintGarurumons power.

[@ivanmichael1992]

AncientSusanoomon

[@wavykcooks]

You should do a video on Chaosmon

[@Sora_the_flame]

I think I think it's the body from what I've noticed is most insect digimon that use eletric abilties need a certain a build for their stage I beleive kf a digimon does not meet a certain build and skill in ranged combat aswell as enough power this skill is lost I believe do to the bulk power and range power aswell as speed its body meet these requirements and this power can be used its certain traits with in its body that allows for it these abilties lines up with the conductivity of its body which in the case of flymon alot that I see in other bug digimon that use this power is not there

[@dramonkiller18]

Hello nostalgia first of all congrats for your channel but i was wandering if you would like to do a video on my oc digimon line and if you do please tell me how i will send you the art and bio for the digimon

[@DigimonExplained]

You can send it via Twitter or via my Gmail account which you can find in the description box. Please send me. I'd love to watch what you have in store

[@dramonkiller18]

@@DigimonExplained thanks for taking the time to write me back

[@dramonkiller18]

@@DigimonExplained sorry if it was a lot of material

[@rubengoncalves293]

How did paildramon get the dragon trait without fusing with a pure dragon. Is there a digimon who had this in its main digivolution line but without the use of fusion. As paildramon has some traits of stingmon but at the same time these traits could be achieved without stingmon as it is mostly mechanical

[@Hoshionifumo]

perhaps the alt fusion cannot use electric since its not a heroic evolution. with the elemental traits for hero dna switched on.

[@colecook834]

I think the dramon in its name was also a hint to its future evolution

[@facundomorera9762]

Thanks to Digimon world 3 i thought that grankuwagamon was the insect version of imperialdra ( they are very similar) and thus the evolution of dinobeemon

[@mightyandray7260]

Perhaps the stingmon data could not handle the V laser attack so it turned it into electricity so it’s easier to use. While V laser is similar in material it is different in usage and mastery. And when deinobeemon is made, the dominate stingmon data completely deletes it. While with dominant XVmon data, it does not delete it. But the stingmon data in paildramon turns it to electricity so it’s easier on the stingmon side.

[@axels3188]

I think Paildramon and it’s evolutions are cool and seeing how powerful they really are so if Digimon was a more Mature Adult anime we would’ve seen just how Imperiodramon was so much powerfully than we all thought and it’s destructive attacks would be more known.

[@riicky83]

One thought I had was, what if Imperialdramon Paladin mode became Yggdrasil? and maybe he released his sword to allow Omnimon to become one of the Royal Knights. After all, we don't really hear about how or when most if not all of the Royal Knights were inducted.

[@ultralucario9152]

Nah, as seen in ReArise and Next Order, Imperialdramon PM is travelling between worlds and training different Tamers

[@theonewhoismany8072]

@@ultralucario9152 he is the one that trained Jupitermon of the Olympos XII.

[@ultralucario9152]

@@theonewhoismany8072 Ik. Aegiomon to be more specific.

[@DJNightchild]

Just my head cannon: The reason Imperialmon PM was created? A BlackImperialdramon FM was on a rampage...

[@dustinmiller7877]

Could you please do gotsumon line?? Its one of my favorites. Haha it's lame but interesting.

[@ghostshrimp5006]

You know a thought occurred to me while watching your video, what does the culture look like in the digital world? What does it look like pre-and post purge, how do they feel about the fact that there’s literally heaven and hell? What does digivolving mean to them and what about the Olympus 12 domain, they alone bring up so many ideas and stories you can make about the day-to-day lives of the inhabitants. Is there a religion surrounding the royal knights and by extension Yggdrasil? Where’s the line between a conscious being and an animal if it’s a dice roll for half the inhabitants or worse become a walking calamity that destroys everything. How does data, vaccine, virus and free types effects said culture? Is there any kind of existential crisis for the digimon that know about the human world? Everything happening in tamers, data squad and hackers memory My mind is racing with these ideas and so why not bring it up to the person who talks about both Digimon and culture

[@andresmarrero8666]

That would be difficult to answer due to how the digital world keeps reworking itself to incorporate the ever increasing amount of data it leeches from our internet. Their "heven" and "hell" is mostly the result of incorporated data from religious texts. When it comes to the afterlife and the spiritual the digital world knows nothing. How could they when they keep avoiding death with always being returned into being a digi egg?

[@ghostshrimp5006]

@@andresmarrero8666 now there’s a thought, the world constantly changing faster than you can blink. The food chain must look like a leaderboard, constantly shifting with new competition popping in every second. I can only imagine most digimon that aren’t strong enough (or aren’t part of the metal empire) would have to live a nomadic life just to get by with the Iliad being the exception

[@theonewhoismany8072]

The issue with Imperialdramon is that he is a highly destructive Digimon so in all his fights in the human world he had to restrain himself or he would cause major devastation.

[@xero1048]

It baffles me that the veemon/wormmon lines are yet to receive X antibodies

[@duellingmasterheropokeland1468]

Imperialdramon fighter mode looks Similar to a mega zord from Power Rangers

[@Justic_]

Concerning why Dinobeemon isn't able to use electricity while Paildramon can (although Dinobeemon naturally learns the electric-elemental Thunder Fall-attack in Cyber Sleuth, for what it's worth), and in general concerning bug-type Digimons ability to use electricity, I imagine it might come down to intelligence? Most of the bug-type Digimon that prominently use electricity could probably be considered smarter than your average bug-Digimon, like, the Kabuterimon-family is certainly portrayed as more intelligent than the Kuwagamon-family. As for a Mega-level for Dinobeemon, as far as I'm aware, GranKuwagamon is generally accepted as being Dinobeemons Imperialdramon-counterpart, sharing many of Stingmons attributes and resembling Imperialdramon quite a bit as well, even if its name more so implies it to be more so related to the greater Kuwagamon-family. It even has somewhat of a Fighter Mode-counterpart in GrandisKuwagamon. Something I've also found... interesting, or more like puzzling about Imperialdramon though is how it seems to lose most of the bug-type Digimon elements it inherited from Stingmon as Paildramon, even though it carries over a lot of Paildramons elements generally, it just... completely removes the bug-like elements from it. For the anime, a possible explanation would be that it being a result of Qinlongmons power allowing it to evolve just primarily dragged out the dragon-type influence in Paildramon, but that doesn't really fly otherwise, and in general I feel it's kinda sad as it just somewhat erases the Jogress-part of its origin. If we ever get an Imperialdramon X, I really hope that it regains some of the more bug-like elements. -Also, somewhat off topic, but I also just realized that Imperialdramons connection to anti-matter makes it quite similar to the Pokemon Giratina... except that Giratina was more successful in incorporating bug-like elements into its design...-

[@andresmarrero8666]

Giratina isn't antimatter dispite what Gamefreak says because if that was the case Giratina would be unable to leave the distortion/reverse world and would detonate the moment he arrives in the main reality of the pokemon world. As Giratina doesn't blow up the moment he arrives in normal reality and can leave whenever he wants he clearly isn't antimatter. Personally I think that Giratina is distortion or dark matter/energy which does fit Giratina's role in being a cosmic handyman.

[@Justic_]

@@andresmarrero8666 except that Giratina isn't just some being made of antimatter, it's the representation of it, just like Dialga and Palkia, its creation isn't portrayed as intentional, it's a logical conclusion of the existence of matter. Not to mention there's a reason it automatically switches forms whenever it leaves the distortion world, after it was banished there for causing destruction, and can only take its original form while holding a specific item from the distortion world. It switching forms could easily be interpreted as the laws of the world keeping its destructive nature in check. Also, I don't really see how Giratina is a "cosmic handyman", and if anything, its role in Legends Arceus clearly contradicts that being its original role.

[@andresmarrero8666]

@@Justic_ allow me to correct you there. They don't represent those concepts, they are those concepts and forces. In short Dialga is time and Palkia is space, the result of taking those concepts and everything they entail and giving it form. We don't know what Giratina is but we do know its role as it was shown to us quite clearly in the Giratina movie and in Platinum. Giratina is responsible for holding creation together and for fixing parts that are broken. Giratina is responsible for the resolution of distortions and time paradoxes. While Zygarde is the overseer and maintains the balance, it is Giratina that fixes things when that balance is broken. That is what is revealed in the Giratina movie and why I call it the cosmic handyman. While antimatter just destroys Giratina holds everything together and ensures that the rules are followed. We don't know anything about Giratina's placement in godly timeout, and really that is what it is, only that it was incredibly violent. Everything else is just presumptions and contrary to what Volo claims Giratina has never shown any ill will towards Arceus even in Legends Arceus. Giratina shows up to battle you and due to Giratina's other appearances in the franchise we know that it most likely wasn't with Volo and was only putting up with him to resolve the distortion. Giratina in being a cosmic lovecraftian entity does not care about Volo's grievances and Volo is a manipulator that projects a lot of his own issues onto Giratina. He quite literally projects himself onto Giratina as it is his own goal to somehow remove Arceus which is an oxymoron because we have seen that Giratina cannot defeat Arceus nor is there anything implying that Giratina is any different from his siblings in defying Arceus's authority. Giratina isn't stupid especially if he wants anything to come from this event. It is remarkable how people are willing to believe wholesale the words of a character without bothering to compare it with the information we already have. Giratina changing forms doesn't change Giratina's nature which means that it would still blow up if it was antimatter. Furthermore in the Giratina movie the reasoning for the form change was a difference in gravity. Guess what substance seemingly only interacts with matter through gravity and is theorized to be responsible for the universe still holding together dispite the expansion as well as a driving force behind that expansion. Dark matter or dark energy which is exactly how Giratina has been shown to operate.

[@Justic_]

@@andresmarrero8666 Fair for Dialga and Palkia, but 1) we don't know in how far that applies to Giratina, as mentioned before, the cause-and-effect of Giratinas creation is totally in reverse to how it was for Dialga and Palkia and 2) we aren't even sure in how far that really applies to Dialga and Palkia in the first place, Dialga and Palkia shouldn't exist the way they do if they were just the concepts of time and space themselves. As for Giratina being a fixer, again, first up the games and movies are seperate canons, what is true in one doesn't have to be true in the other. Point being, the manga, Giratina also traps Dialga and Palkia in the Distotion World in the manga, but not to keep them from rampaging, but as far as I remember, to supplant them, and demonstratively destroys their statue in Eterna. Also, I feel like you're missing a big point about Giratina in Legends Arceus: Giratina didn't try to fix the Space-Time Distortion, at least according to Volo, it created it in accordance to their plan, and also was the one directing the frenzies. As much as you might want to doubt Volos interpretation of Giratinas motives, I'd at least trust what he says they did together. Not to mention that this is the only explanation we have of why the Space-Time-Distortion came to be in the first place, that's not just a thing that randomly pops up, and since none of the other Legendary Pokemon had anything to do with it, I'm really more willing to believe Volo. Especially since we get an explanation as to why Giratina might act the way it does in Platinum after we catch it. As for the last point about the movie stating it has to do with gravity, again, movie-canon. The movie also portrays the Distortion World as a mirror-world to the real world that is influenced by and influences the real world, something that is never mentioned and if anything should be contradicted by the portrayal of the Distortion World in Platinum, not to mention Giratina only being able to travel from mirror-surfaces in the movie.

[@andresmarrero8666]

@@Justic_ we do or rather we know that Giratina is the third child of Arceus and that he came into being at the same time as the other two. Nothing about Giratina's creation being opposite, that is just something people made up. We do know that Dialga and Palkia are time and space because those forces did not exist until they came into existence. We also see that time and space do reflect the well being of Dialga and Palkia with the vandalization of the temporal tower in Mystery Dungeon causing Dialga to go mad, and how Dialga's heart beats time's flow and space is stabilize with Palkia's breath. Time and Space continues to exist because Dialga and Palkia continue to exist ergo they are one and the same. They exist they way they do because they are time and space, not merely the controllers and creators of it. Not true, there is no separate cannons when it comes to information on these creatures especially entities like the creation trio of which there can be no duplicates unless Arceus decides otherwise like he did in the Shinjo ruins and especially places such as the distortion world which exists outside the confines of time and space. The distortion world and the reverse are one and the same dispite the difference in how they are depicted. There is no hard division between the facets of the franchise, particularly the games and anime, so people really should stop trying to impose that. You keep trying to make the movie its own thing when it does not work that way for better or worse and it is dumb to discount information just because it comes from a different facet of the franchise. The movie also provides a much more solid understanding of Giratina's involvement in Platinum than what Volo says and years before he was even conceived. Giratina did not show up in Platinum because of past experiences, no. He showed in Platinum because Cyrus's destruction and recreation of a universe would have created a gigantic mess of which Giratina was never going to let happen. His involvement was purely because it was his job. I cannot say anything for the manga as it I never bothered to properly read it. I do remember it doing some really weird and nonsensical stuff in regards to the creation trio such as Arceus being dragged onto the pedestal in the Shinjo ruins with rope which itself doesn't really make much sense. Also something about Cyrus becoming an immortal higher being due to being in the distortion world and wanted Giovanni to join him. I don't trust anything Volo says not just because he is a manipulator that literally just betrayed you and revealed that he has pretty much been feeding you lies from the beginning and therefore you have no reason to trust him much less wholesale, but what he claims makes zero sense in regards to the legends themselves. Dialga and Palkia have no issue resolving rifts, especially small ones like that and yes it is small compared to the antics of Necrozma and Eternatus both of which never got their attention as well as to what Dialga and Palkia see constantly. If such rifts were the rift was the size of a galaxy and lasted for a century or two then they would notice, but the only reason they noticed this is because it is near Spear Pillar. There is also nothing driving them frenzy. For beings that can casually destroy and create universes, a tiny rift such should be easily resolved. The frenzy pokemon are due to the rifts but there is nothing driving them crazy not to mention the origin debacle on top of Spear Pillar itself of which they were very much in control of their facilities. Furthermore even though in Mystery Dungeon Dialga lost his mind he still retained minute control over his nature, time. Volo is effectively saying that they are sending lightning down for no reason. He also claims that Giratina wants to confront Arceus even though he knows that he cannot defeat Arceus nor defy him on top of that being Volo's goal and Giratina in no way shows ill will towards Arceus. He also claims that he freed Giratina from his prison. Volo claims that he, a normal poke-human, somehow undid the works and authority of Arceus, the creator himself, and access a place that isn't within the confines of time and space. That is nonsensical, Cyrus at least took advantage of mythology and other legendarys with incredibly complex machines that we see him using to achieve his end goals. Volo we are apparently supposed to just his word on face value dispite him that he literally just betrayed us. That is just outright disillusional. His claim that Giratina couldn't get out the distortion world is also counteracted by the fact that Giratina pops up behind him with no issue whatsoever which is compounded by the fact we see him do this in Platinum and the Giratina movie where he creates an entrance to the distortion world without a reflection. Giratina isn't limited to reflections in terms of entering and exiting the distortion world. Volo is purely projecting and doesn't know what he is talking about because Giratina's role is to resolve distortions not cause them. What he says does not align with the legendarys and how they are depicted in the rest of the franchise, and we have no reason to simply take his word and there is almost nothing in our travels that collaborates and backs up his story. There is also the hieroglyphics that has been translated by the community, Bird Keeper Toby has a video on that, which seems to describe Volo which if true means that the Legendarys knew what Volo was doing and made an example out of him. The only thing Volo has going for him is that Giratina is putting up with him, however given everything spoken of here Giratina was only doing so as it was the best way to resolve this mess. The best way to resolve the issue was to have Volo give up completely and the best way to do that is to have him be on the top of the world, literally, and be crushed completely and utterly by the child Arceus picked. Here is another thing to be mindful of. Legends Arceus is an open world game or close enough to it. In such games the truth does not come from a singular NPC but from the world itself, from the environments, log entries, and what your eyes and hands have discovered. In terms of themes Volo here is the embodiment of ignorance and disharmony between people and pokemon which is opposed by you the player character which Arceus handpicked from the future who represents knowledge and harmony, who is part of the research corps and has befriended all the pokemon in the region and has eased relations between pokemon and humans with your findings. The fact that Arceus plucked you from the future and bothers to use your cell phone to communicate with you is something that the creation trio should be intimately aware of because there is no reason why they wouldn't.

[@Stalkkus]

What would a black royal knights be like

[@akirandrake414]

Actually Wormmon has shown stupidly strong loyalty.

[@markangelogarcia2584]

ok but im still buying the digimon tri fight wherein Imperialdramon dragon mode cant keep up fighting 2 other megas with what we call LESSER POWER LORE WISE vikemon & rosemon

[@theonewhoismany8072]

That isn't Ken and Daisuke's Imperialdramon.

[@SerEmils]

So in other words the writers of Adventure 2 nerfed the living hell out of Imperialdramon and his 2 modes?

[@DigimonExplained]

Like many other Digimon yes! Absolutely

[@rynobehnke8289]

I guess to be fair half the time could it literally not use its stronger attacks because there were fighting in the middle of cities and most of Imperealdramons attack have massive areas of effects. And in case of Black Wargreymon did no one actually want to kill it just force it into submission to stop his attempts to murder Oekawa. Really only the Malomyotismon fight is super dumb (even the whole Skullsatanmon thing isn't the worst given that 3 of those were still able to really annoy the hell out of the nearly as busted Kaisergreymon and Magnagarurumon)

[@SerEmils]

What about Armagedamon? Shouldn't Imperialdramon's antimatter weapons essentially RIP APART the guy's molecules and those of the surrounding area?

[@rynobehnke8289]

@@SerEmils Armagedamon is a tough case. On one hand did the still smaller than Giga Death Ion Blaster already make about as big of an explosion as he really could be without leveling a few buildings around the lake. And Armagedamon is an a really stupidly powerful Super Ultimate level Digimon (as it was Diabolomons foul proved plan to defeat the also really overpowered Omegamon that beat him the last time) So while Imperealdramon using his Giga Death would properly have made more damage do I thing it still wouldn't have been enough given how casually Armagedamon tanked Omegamon's attack from both the Greysword and the Garurucanon.

[@SerEmils]

That's fair

[@savageryreally7058]

this guy says PAEL dramon Is this some sort of an off-panteon god?

[@MrMattRib]

That's a nice fanart evolution of DinoBeemon, could even be an official evolution cause i kinda don't like the fact that DinoBeemon evolves to GranKuwagamon or BlackImperialdramon

[@antylacrosssection5940]

Why do some insectoid digimon have electrical abilities while others don't? The same reason why Veedramon doesn't use fire attacks and Flamedramon does. The lore just isn't that deep unfortunately.

[@andresmarrero8666]

You know in the event of a rampaging, evil Imperialdramon it would be incredibly fitting for an Aegislash to oppose and stop it. Aegislash is after all poke-excalibur and ghosts are one thing the digital world has no answer to. Between the two fusions Dinobeemon has the better form and attacks as Paildramon cannot aim with his guns stuck to his waist. I don't believe that Dinobeemon is evil or power obsessed, rather it is the result of fusing an assassin, of which Stingmon totally is an assassin or ninja, with the might and ferocity of a dragon. Swift, efficient, and brutal is what Dinobeemon is but not cold, mindless, and/or power hungry. Just because villains tend to be of the virus attribute doesn't mean that all viruses are evil with the same for the nightmare soldiers family. I don't believe Paladin mode or the royal knights were present during Lucemon's takeover. We saw the creation of Omnimon and Paladin mode in the adventure movies where they are connected to the keramon line. Miracles such as those do not happen twice and Paladin mode is already out of synch of how time exists in the digital world with the bio stating that it appears whenever it is needed. So Paladin mode likely didn't parish nor existed in the ancient digital world but simply elsewhere where he is needed. All insects probably has the capability for electrical attacks to some degree but the crossing, gathering, interfacing, and mutation of data over the generations alters how that lineage is expressed and there may not be a need for electrical attacks. Besides electrical attacks is not solely specific to the descendants of ancient beetlemon as both Azulongmom, wingdramon, and wizardmon have electrical attacks and they are not insects nor remotely related to ancient beetlemon. The residents of the royal base don't have electrical attacks but likely expresses their heritage to the legendary warrior in their preference for mechanization. There is also the digi-egg of knowledge which has the element of bug and has been influenced by the crest of knowledge (mainly Izzy and tentomon and Cody and armadillomon) and it doesn't grant the resulting armor digimon electrical attacks.

[@chimuoma390]

Imperialdramon Paladin Mode would Burn Up Aegislash With Burst Breath!Play Digimon World Dawn/Dusk Platinum Tamer Battle And See For Yourself!

[@andresmarrero8666]

@@chimuoma390 king's shield and protect blocks that attack or Aegislash can just go intangible and avoid it all together. You don't get very far in the pokemon world if you don't know how to deal with your own weaknesses.

[@chimuoma390]

@@andresmarrero8666 It Would Still Be A Stalemate,Because My Imperialdramon PM Has Been Hacked To Full Invincibility(100% Evasion!)Your Aegislash Can Only Win With Counter Effects,So It Better Be Packin' A Focus Sash,Counter And Mirror Coat!Omega Blade!Mega Meteor Fall!Royal Blizzard!Glory Thunder!Royal Cannon!Your Aegislash Can't Shield Itself Forever!It'll Run Out Of PP!I Have 9999 Mind Points,So I'll Win This War Of Attrition!BTW I Wish i could Play Digimon Tamers/Pokemon Trainers Battle Spirit Version 1.5 Online Against You!With Veemon/Imperialdramon PM Against You And Your Aegislash!Epic Duel!

[@andresmarrero8666]

@@chimuoma390 Destiny bond, you are doing all the work for me. Besides why should I care about your evasion when I have aerial ace? Never mind that I wasn't talking about some hacked game version of Imperialdramon black to begin with.

[@chimuoma390]

@@andresmarrero8666 Touche,Andres!Touche!I Can't Think of Any Counters To Destiny Bond,Except the Fact That I Gave IPDramon PM The Death Blocking Status Barrier Trait,And The Fact That,In-Game Of Digimon World Dawn/Dusk/DS,Even Moves With 100% Accuracy Fail Against a Digimon With 100% Evasion!But I Agree,Aerial Ace Ignores Accuracy Checks,So It Should Still Hit!But Wouldn't You Like A Pokemon/Digimon Battle Spirit Crossover Game?I Sure As Heaven Would!

[@andresmarrero8666]

Imperialdramon is definitely a digimon that would be immensely nerfed if not incapable of living outside a digital space due to encountering new complications in dimensions like our own such as isolating and stabilizing the antimatter needed for such weaponry before it destroys him which would be in the matter of minutes if not seconds, or the vacuum of space which will surely suffocate the digimon should it be stupid enough to blow up a planet, or the sheer amount of energy released in the planet's destruction and the cascading effects flinging countless threats at the digimon, or the various threats and dangers inherent to deep space such as the incredibly high amounts of radiation, cosmic rays, leftover ripples from the big bang which will squish you like a pancake, micro meteorites, and the countless other dangers that destroys our electrical equipment should they not be properly protected, oh and let's not forget about solar flares that would be instant death to any digital lifeform. There is just too much power in Imperialdramon for him to really exist anywhere outside a digital space, and with how a lot of bios are written in universe they often come out in being outright dumb so I would take the planet busting claim with a bottle of salt.

[@kelvinhernandez4714]

Damn Wargreymon can go toe to toe with Fightermode? And could even possibly take it down?

[@ShiningJudgment666]

Because of lore. You know, he has Dramon killer gauntlets and Imperialdramon has well, Dramon in its name. It's why WarGreymon was able to slice and dice Machinedramon who was probably the strongest Dark Master at least in terms of raw power but couldn't really do a lot to Piedmon.

[@theonewhoismany8072]

@@ShiningJudgment666 No he can't. Dragon Mode is already officially stated to be Wargreymon's equal in power and abillities. Fighter Mode's Giga Death is 10× Dragon Mode's Mega Death wich means Fighter Mode is a 10x increase in power from Dragon Mode. By himself Wargreymon gets owned. And all of you should stop overrating the Dramon Killers. They are not a free "i win you loose" card.