Explaining Rotation to a Flerfer (It doesn't go well)

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[@billmcguire4777]

Once a week Trey looks up a new vocabulary word or concept, doesn't understand it, and then proclaims that his new current derp makes him a genius

[@bodan1196]

To be honest, I had to look up the word chirality. Took me a couple of tries, due to his pronunciation. I can't understand how it have anything to do with the heliocentric model though.

[@billmcguire4777]

​@@bodan1196 It has nothing to do with it. He's just too dumb to figure that out

[@BaronVonQuiply]

@@bodan1196 Chirality is often described using right vs left hand to show the mirroring of the same structure and how they're equivalent but different. I suspect he got himself confused by the hand analogy and thinks that lefthand = righthand in the southern hemisphere for reasons that have no relation to chemistry.

[@emmacheng6213]

“This is groundbreaking man” 😂😂

[@ulodetero]

In that his weird concept would probably literally tear the earth in two, yeah.

[@dougbelford4565]

4:40 “by going two different directions, you’re going the same direction.” “By going one direction, you’re actually going in two different directions” And this was one of the more coherent things he said

[@MrNicwic]

Trey was sent by aliens to test our patience. And I have failed said test. Trey's incredible ability to not understand simple concepts is mind blowing.

[@DaReaperZ]

Bless his little heart he really thought he was going somewhere when he said "See? It's slowly starting to make sense, they've tricked us!".

[@RohirrimRanger95]

I almost feel bad for him because he's not fully denying the truth, he's just not fully grasping it either

[@CeezGeez]

he has a homer simpson level understanding of the world

[@maxwallefeld]

He himself demonstrates the two different rotational directions multiple times by rotating his own camera, he gets shown two different examples with cameras and disco balls and he still keeps denying what is happening in front of his own eyes. Wow! 😂😂

[@thejudge3658]

The pen in his hand was LITERALLY the perfect example, he just couldn't comprehend it lmao

[@fjoell]

I can't follow his explanations very well, but what he said somewhere around 12:20 sounds like he's doing the switching of directions twice when thinking about it and that leads to him thinking stars should rotate the same way.

[@fjoell]

Indeed, a little later I think he says it clearer, he's thinking about the way the rotation for people changes on earth in the northern vs. the southern hemisphere, so he changes the rotation, but then he ALSO wants to change the way the camera points, which leads to switching rotation twice and the same rotation direction. He's not thinking about him being the earth in that example, which keeps rotation the same direction and just the direction in which the camera is pointing being the change for humans why they see different rotations of the stars in northen vs. southern hemisphere. So far he seems like a rather nice guy for a flat earther, I hope somebody explains this to him maybe irl because I think part of the problem here is the online meeting environment. (Maybe this assessment of the person will be disproven later in the video)

[@steveanton763]

Did it hurt your brain trying to explain that? You did good😊​@@fjoell

[@joe_zeay]

The concept of 'east and 'west' is predicated on where NORTH & SOUTH POLES ARE. . He doesn't understand that east/ west don't exist on their own... and are strictly dependent in relation to where North and South poles are located. @17:36

[@Bunny99s]

He also jumps from absolute reference frames to relative local frames and suddenly talks about "left" and "right" which are terms that don't well apply to any kind of rotational system. Left and right are relative terms to a certain viewpoint.

[@_allegra]

I honestly think the root of the problem is he's the type of person who finds it difficult to imagine things from another's perspective. He can't comprehend that when I, as someone in the Southern Hemisphere, looks towards the Equator, the universe as we see it will be moving in opposite directions to him, as he looks towards the equator. To him, we're all on the globe together, so we should all be seeing the same thing... but rather than try and understand stuff like 'frames of reference', he's convinced that it would actually mean the hemispheres are moving in opposite directions - which they aren't - so the Earth is flat and there's a conspiracy to cover it up! ...also some weird stuff Time Cube kinda stuff in there, too 😕

[@roebuckmckinney]

Is anyone else reminded of the bit in Spinal Tap when the manager is explaining to Nigel that he can just fold the bread around the lunchmeat.

[@fuzzball297]

It’s like a jump rope. If you look to your left and the rope is going counter clockwise, that means if you look to the right the rope will be going clockwise. Exactly how the stars appear to go at the equator.

[@thejudge3658]

Yo, I ain't no flerfer.... but that is one of the best ways to explain it. Amazing comment!

[@rogerforsman5064]

I will steal this idea from you! Sorry!

[@RanEncounter]

Isn't it left for clockwise and right for counter clockwise?

[@fuzzball297]

@@RanEncounter Depends which you specify as North. In my example, your left would be North. You could reverse it if you want.

[@RanEncounter]

@@fuzzball297 Does not matter which you specify as North. We are talking about left, right, counter clockwise and clockwise. These do not change by specifying which is North. When you alone jump in a jump rope that you yourself spin, should it not in your left be clockwise and in your right counter clockwise? Unless you are jumping backwards. Even if left was your North and we would assume that the jump rope rotates the same direction that the Earth does, would you not see in your left clockwise rotation and in your right counter clockwise rotation?

[@dougbelford4565]

“It’s simple” -Trey “Trust me, I’ve been on this for 7 days” -also Trey Next week he’s gonna tackle the whole “2+2” controversy

[@CeezGeez]

it’s “groundbreaking”

[@HendreLabuschagne]

I watched this one live and im glad you're preserving it on yt

[@DaReaperZ]

27:15 No, he's not dishonest, he's genuinely this dense.

[@DaReaperZ]

24:49 I don't think he known what clockwise or counter clockwise is. He always needs to "verify" it by saying "left to right" or "right to left" not understanding that if you view something from above versus viewing it from below, those direction don't stay the same. West and east are still the same though.

[@DaReaperZ]

@@ulodetero Thanks, edited!

[@sthurston2]

Amazing, he demonstrates opposite spins and then declares the spins must be the same in both hemispheres as the spin is in just one direction. He wanted to find a problem, found one, and never realised he is the problem. He turns the world upside down, and keeps his own head as the North for East & West..

[@ulodetero]

I'm still not sure whether he thinks the spins *should be* the same........ 😖😩🤷‍♂

[@CeezGeez]

@@ulodeteroi’m not sure whether he thinks

[@garyk1334]

Trey's ability to not understand anything is legendary 😂

[@otterpop5551]

Thanks for trying to help him understand Mr Planet

[@anlacombe]

most people stop laughing at their feet when they leave infancy.... this guy didn't stop

[@bigguyonalittleadventure5673]

For the love of Cthulhu, Peterson, use some of that Patreon money to buy two tiny wireless cameras, Velcro them to a ball and stream them both at the same time. Listening to that guy made my head hurt.

[@R0swell5104]

Ah but that is an experiment requiring a bit of effort. Flerfs don't do effort

[@ivanpetrov5255]

The second guy did exactly that, but with 2 phones. And he still said "nuh uh" #GLTF

[@otterpop5551]

10:50 When you agree but don’t realize you agree It’s prospective

[@andyhancher1280]

“This is ground breaking”

[@DaReaperZ]

25:15 "This is clockwise!" Yes... but one isn't if viewed from above versus being viewed from below. That's it.

[@dougbelford4565]

I could watch this video over and over. Since I don’t get high anymore , listening to Trey is like standing on my head and doing a bong hit. It’s getting stupid on purpose. It’s like a vacation for my brain. Let’s call it a “Treycation”

[@steventhompson399]

😄😄😄

[@lemongavine]

What if you stood at the equator, straddling line? Would your legs move in opposite directions? By his philosophy, they would.

[@AlexPBenton]

Well to be fair, he’s asserting that this disproves the globe, so he literally thinks that this is something which does not happen.

[@sverkeren]

18:57 "A sphere is a line that makes diagonal circle" ... words of wisdom

[@AlexPBenton]

“Let me sho-“ “YOU’RE DOING IT WRONG”

[@TypicalEveningPictures]

I feel like the laser pointer thing was so abundantly clear i don’t know it didn’t just end there. Also how does he not get that he is flipping the persons own direction not the globe 😂

[@jojorose1947]

"You're doing my poorly conceived experiment wrong, how will you get the answer I want if you don't include the parts that don't make sense"

[@davidbaiker9732]

Just found your page...nice. WHERE do you find these people!? I bet he thinks north is up and south is down!

[@planetpeterson2824]

They find me!

[@ZodzillaPrime]

Yet more evidence for my hypothesis that flat earthers have spatial processing disorders

[@R0swell5104]

They do I'm sure, but what they lack most is the willingness to put a little effort into doing a simple experiment.

[@johnhenry8611]

Looks like this flerf learned a new word. Say it with me folks ChI-ra-li-ty

[@thejudge3658]

As soon as that man took a hit of a joint, I knew this was gonna be legendary.

[@tpresto9862]

When you look at the center of spin in the Northern versus Southern hemispheres, you are not lookinb the same point. The centers of spin (one above the northern pole and one above the southern pole of the axis) are two different points that you need to look in two opposite directions to see. And because each of the two distincy centers of rotation are opposite each other, the spin appears different.

[@ricktaylor4real]

I can’t keep going with this muppet! 15:58 - Sorry Peterson, I’m out here because he’s damaging brain cells in me… stupidity is contagious THROUGH the internet! 🤣👍🏼☮️

[@DorianTeal]

This must be that guy who started yelling at his tattoo artist because the letters were backwards in the mirror.

[@Kildergcowboy]

That was painful! Wow, how does Trey tie his shoes in the morning 🤦‍♂️

[@otterpop5551]

Maybe send him an animated video, showing two model figures standing, one in top and one on bottom, spinning the same direction with the world Then zoom in, into their prospectives, and take a look Some people won’t get it even then, but hopefully they’ll grow

[@bowks1o_o669]

OMG Trey has to be the densest person on the planet!

[@ZackBurnsOG]

I do not understand why this is so hard for FLERFs to understand. I swear 1 requirement for all FLERFs is the inability to visualize or understand in 3d

[@gryph01]

Regardless of what hemisphere you are in, if you face North, your right shoulder points East. If you face South, your left shoulder points East.

[@Bunny99s]

It's true that an observer on the opposite hemisphere would essentially flip their phone on the head, but at the same time you travelling to the other side which relative to you rotate the other way round. What he should do is but the phone on a larger globe at the north pole and just looking tangentially out. Now move the phone slowly along the surface to the bottom and rotate the phone as you do accordingly so the phone is "standing" on the surface of the globe. When you reach the other side your "relative" rotation axis has switched as well. When you're standing on the equator, the rotation axis is 90 to your local up axis.

[@DrOpPsHoTtEd]

My ears are bleeding and my brain has turned to mush which is now leaking out of my skull

[@DaReaperZ]

4:45 So I think I get what he means here, maybe. And he'd be right too. Unfortunately what he describes is the rotation of the stars in the sky, if you look up while standing on the south pole the stars will "spin" a different direction than if you did the same on the north pole. Which is exactly what we're seeing happening, so I'm not sure why he thinks this is a problem. I haven't continued watching so perhaps I am misunderstanding it completely. Edit: Oh so he's claiming the opposite, that they should both rotate the same way(?) The whole confusion seems to be rooted in that he's forgotten that "left" and "right" change direction. Because our frame of reference is the earth and we're on the south pole, west and east are still the same, but we're looking in the completely opposite way from the north pole, so the rotation of the sky is reversed.

[@BaronVonQuiply]

Oh... god... That Intelligence Test scene in Idiocracy.

[@BaronVonQuiply]

If I had this conversation I'd start looking around for the hidden cameras for the prank show I'm clearly on The fact that you both already have cameras just complicates the matter.

[@ulodetero]

Does he think that east and west are flipped in the southern hemisphere, like how "summer" and "winter" are opposite..?? The easiest way to think of this is: Take *any* spinning object and see what direction each axis is spinning *without changing anything* . Don't bother with what things would look like from the surface etc. Just look at the surface itself. You'll find one axis rotates one way and the other axis rotates the other. (ie: clockwise v anti-clockwise) Or another way: Set a disco ball spinning and follow the path of the lights as though they're stars. At the ceiling they'll be rotating one way, at the floor the other. In any case, it might be easier to envision if you put the disco-ball on its side, so the star rotation is happening "upward" on one side of the room and "downward" on the other. Facing the "north" wall of your room, you'll see an anticlockwise spin (east to west) with stars going *up* on the wall to your right and *down* on the wall to your left. Now turn left. You're facing the "stars going down" wall, with north to your right and south to your left. Turn left again to face the south wall. The "stars going *down* " wall is now on your right, and the "stars going *up* " wall is on your left, thus the rotation is front of you is clockwise.

[@Okijuben]

The disco ball as an example is great, thank you. Some people don't seem to be able to conceptualize geometric reference frames in their head.

[@DaReaperZ]

21:26 By flipping the globe around you're also flipping which direction is east and which is west though.... That's fly flipping the globe upside down has you confused. It's technically still west to east, just flipped.

[@ShMokou]

Is this "Tray CayShun" guy?!

[@jomariano37]

Does he think that the North and South directions switches when you cross hemispheres? That's what i'm getting. I might be wrong.

[@Andy_Babb]

I watch these videos to remind myself that I’m not as stupid as I think I am. I always think pretty negatively about myself and often question my own intelligence bc I feel like I don’t know certain things that I should or that I’m not as smart as the people around me; Watching these videos literally makes me feel better about myself 😂😂😂😂😂

[@Dog-Jet]

This could be the most frustrating flerf I've watched, and thats saying a lot. It can't work that way on a globe! **literally shows it working that way on a globe** NUH-UH! YOU GOTTA FLIP!

[@mud-uc2il]

Just stick to how the north and south poles mark two points the stars appear to rotate around. The example trying to demonstrate how the sky seems to rotate is dependent on the direction the observer is facing. With the two poles, the effect is visible regardless of the observer's position.

[@TRIP5_GAMING]

It's MAJOR CATION!

[@sinlatenightsins9657]

is he really getting left/right confused with east/west?

[@nielnielsen4822]

He seem to think that the sky is up in the same direction. Yes if someone flip on to there head and somehow look through the planet they see the same thing. but there up is not the same as are up.

[@bethhoyle3033]

Groundbreaking! 🤪

[@JTfromVT]

Oh man. You're both spoon feeding him direct answers with example and he just refuses to listen

[@telsonater]

You should label this “Hokey-Pokey Debate”

[@Tenebris_Sint]

Trey Kayshuns! He accepts that there 2 hemispheres, but not a globe 🤣🤔

[@DaReaperZ]

23:50 You don't need to change rotation direction. What he did by taping the phones to the globe physically represents what a person would experience on Earth. Now if you *don't* switch to looking down, then yes, changing rotational direction would cause the same effect, but that would essentially be the same at turning the phone to look down towards the ground.

[@drinjj]

27:04 "it's not a globe" I mean, how can we expect to change their mind when this happen. This is a case where I would have stopped trying to explain anything and cornered him with this.

[@brik74]

FFS, West and East do not change based on what hemisphere you're in. The only way counter rotating star trails makes sense is on a globe. The only ground Trey has broken is to a level of Dunning-Kruger never before seen.

[@JohnnyD_cm]

He was told to point the phone up then down while rotating in the same direction. He wouldn't. That's because he knows it disproves his stance.

[@celiand2618]

The worst part : he sounds like a nice guy with bad proprioception.

[@eleventhchimp]

Severely impaired visuospatial reasoning abilities seem to be very common among flerfs.

[@brothergrief9531]

Trey just learns some words but not usually what they actually mean. The best way to get rid of him is to ask him about the cayshuns (he meant cations) and how the antarctic is made almost entirely of salt.

[@anotherwolff3650]

Is this Trey Keyshun?

[@jojorose1947]

he decided "if you want to see how people see on the other side of the planet, you gotta flip it over" but no, people are already on the other side of the planet lmao.

[@rylanasher4756]

Trey Kayshun! Top-lefter par exellence!

[@earthisfat6184]

Omg imagine being this confused over something so simple. Dude sit in a chair and spin left to right. Look up. Keep spinning left to right and look down. Clockwise and counter clockwise. You don't understand!

[@ruseriousdownunder4888]

Someone should ask him what a person at the equator sees.

[@Griceyman]

Hes very unwell.

[@CeezGeez]

“they tricked us man” -trey

[@AlexPBenton]

He seems to think that west and east mean left and right, as in they change when you change your perspective.

[@woodyhoots375]

It's easier to visualise this sat on a spinning chair looking up then down and describing the cieling spinning as anti clockwise and the floor as clockwise not left and right like Kyle is. You have to keep spinning in the same direction for the analogy to work

[@displacegamer1379]

6:00 THIS IS GROUNDBREAKING!!!!!!! Give this man a Nobel Prize in .... (Comment Section, what should it be in? Be creative.)

[@Kulascus]

An education

[@mrcolbyii181]

Why is it so hard for Trey, not an engineer?

[@Slum0vsky]

Because he's mixing Kayshuns and Dogions again...

[@billmcguire4777]

​@@Slum0vsky anions, but yup

[@PhilLagging]

This is what happens when you think you have a great idea but lake the knowledge to debunk yourself

[@suelane3628]

To the Flerfer: if your so clever please do your research, write it up and get it published in a respectable scientific journal and claim your Nobel Prize. Science is self correcting when the evidence out weighs previous models.

[@MrMalort]

I wonder what would happen if Trey and Brian Leake met.

[@sanchezgotsumkids]

Get a piece of paper and a black marker pen. Should be simple enough for anyone even with room temperature IQ. Now draw a large circle on the paper. Now draw clockwise arrows on the line of the circle all the way round, so that it shows through the paper. Now hold up the paper above your head so it's parallel with the ceiling. Notice the arrows going clockwise. Now, without turning the paper over, lower the paper to the floor and stand over it so you can see the arrows through the paper. Oh look, they are going counter clockwise....fancy that. "This is groundbreaking"......Phahahahaha what a numpty.

[@bgiv2010]

Does he think... Up is always north or something?

[@CeezGeez]

yup. he went thru life till whatever age he is now in adulthood thinking this. it’s amazing.

[@sephidude123]

Have him use a compass

[@otterpop5551]

Take your phone, pay it on the table, record video and spin it clockwise Now take the phone, point it at the ground, then spin it clockwise

[@woodyhoots375]

Is this dudes name Trey? if it is and he's on again, ask him about kaychuns, he'll know. shout out McToon

[@suelane3628]

Yes. I don't understand why on my only visit to the Southern Hemisphere I had to learn the southern circumpolar stars. In particular the Southern Cross and Alpha Proxima. No I can't see those in the latitude I live in in the Northern Hemisphere. Also I can't for the (slightly oblate spherical) world imagine why a Flat Earther can imagine it to be other wise if the whole of the Southern Hemisphere actually surrounds the Northern Hemisphere then there would be such a thing as Southern Circumpolar stars which are as such because the Earth has an axis which can be likened to a pole. Likewise: anyone circumnavigating Antarctica should take much more time than to do so if Antarctica actually surrounds the Earth: basic geometry dictates this.

[@CeezGeez]

this one was kinda sad 😞

[@adriannabcustomfurniture]

Some of these people have one brain cell...and I'm being generous 😂

[@Andy_Babb]

I tried to go to Australia once but when we got there we were upside down and falling… up? into… the dome? F_ck it. They’re too dumb to even get on that level

[@MurderCraw]

The earth hasn't ever been recorded flipping upside down in current times. Maybe in the past it flipped to it's current orientation now. But so far, I think only the magnetic field has flipped periodically. Trey pls! 😹

[@ThatGuy-ot1gt]

Dude thinks left means west 😂 What does he think happens at the equator? Flipping the phone was a perfect illustration. Background moves left and right as he flips it. He even demonstrates it with his pen. 😂 Clockwise and anticlockwise. Not left and right.

[@TheJacov]

This flerf's lack of comprehension is hurting my brain.😁

[@ryans9029]

What does spinning against the rotation even mean? 😅😅😅

[@hillhugger8610]

My brain hurts

[@helmedon]

I can't understand what he's trying to explain. Seems he's trying to say that each hemisphere must rotate independently? I can't comprehend how he doesn't understand how rotation works. He's actually demonstrating it yet claims it's not what he's showing.

[@br0wnd3mon]

Treyangles is amongst the bottom percentile of human intelligence. Hes single handedly dragging our collective iq's down.

[@ChristopherGoodwin79]

This guy has been debunked by SciManDan, McToon, FTFE, and others. In Trey's chair spinning example, he spins the other way as he moves his camera from the ceiling to the floor.

[@Kilmoran]

He is getting confused with the idea of facing north and south with being in the north or the south in relation to someone else given the spin. He is looking at being at the bottom of the globe and facing towards that pole as north for those people instead of understanding it is still just facing south. And as far as looking up and the rotation being different, yeah, that is due to being on the top or bottom of a sphere. I think this might be more clear if you talk about what someone on the equator sees.

[@davidbaiker9732]

You put your left foot iin...you put your left foot out.....that's what flerfs are about!

[@MillaYlinen]

I get headache 🤦😵‍💫