Explaining the Asmongold Monster Hunter Drama The Civil Way

[@topcat59]

Honestly I always thought dragonblight increases the damage taken, I didn’t know it decreases your elemental effects on your weapon.🐱

[@caliginousmoira8565]

i didn't know what it did until alatreon came out. i would always build around the monster i was fighting so i wouldn't get the blight. when i watched a mhw 'competition' on youtube and they were doing arena quests and dropping the monsters quicker than i did with my customized build. i gave up trying to follow that you crit, crit, crit for charge blade.... 'advice' and tried to get better at fighting the monsters. mhw is my first mh game.

[@starzariaguy5151]

Someone in chat actually mentioned to look at the hunter’s notes, Asmon read the message out loud and then immediately ignored it.

[@MahnsterHunter]

LMFAO I love it. I guess I can't blame chat, whoops

[@TheAdarkerglow]

Asmon is right about one issue presented by the Alatreon fight: People shouting things at you are sometimes important details that you have to follow to complete whatever quest, and sometimes they're just suggestions that the game thinks you might have forgotten. Most of the time you can ignore them. It'd be very useful if the game could keep it to the former or the latter, with a more concrete way to tell them things that they must do vs what they can do. But it isn't a huge issue. As for the Frostforge, I don't know how it's supposed to work, but I'm using it with the Frozen Speartuna so I could call the build "Fresh" Fish. Because it's clearly freezer burned, you see.

[@MahnsterHunter]

Yeah the helper tips have to be done better because during combat, a lot of people have issues with noise pollution and tunnel vision. And I love that frozen tuna play!

[@owa1985]

I'm one of them peeps who spent at least 2 weeks running around with 3 extra levels of frost attack skill after getting my Velkhana Gamma set because I thought FC added ice elemental damage. Nevermind that I also went out of my way to craft the swordfish GS and various other ice related things before my friend asked me why the heck am I even bothering with them. After his explanation of "It only adds raw, bro" I even called him out for attempting to bamboozle me. We're all good now, thankfully. In fact, we've been good for about 2 years now. It blows my mind how people can still get their panties in a twist over what Asmon said about what is essentially a classic game now.

[@MahnsterHunter]

LOL Your friend tried to give it straight though, props. And people get mad on twitter if you breathe the wrong

[@owa1985]

@@MahnsterHunter Don't go within smelling distance of twitter bro... That place stinks so hard even from second hand exposure.

[@RBDSTN]

Great video, the fly at 1:20 really carries with its performance

[@MahnsterHunter]

That was quite literally the best performance of its life. Should win an oscar posthumously!

[@onthespoke2]

OMG is this a Breaking Bad reference??

[@LucasTigy2]

there's actually 6 monsters with dragonblight. 7 if you include savage deviljho. the behemoth is also the first monster with a DPS check, but that was a crossover, so it felt more acceptable since that wasn't a main monster. also, for the record, gunlance shells actually do minor amounts of fire damage.

[@MahnsterHunter]

Looking back at it, I shoulda been more specific. Yeah, its Stygian, both Jhos, Xeno, Alatreon, and Ebony. Thats my bad. And someone else pointed that out too about the EX Behemoth having that check, it was lost in my mind there. And does Gunlance do fire? Because as far as I'm concerned for its tenure in the series, gunlance shells do fixed explosive damage that ignore hitzone values?

[@LucasTigy2]

@@MahnsterHunter oh, i forgot about stygian actually, so that would be 8, but you forgot kushala so i guess we're even. and yeah, gunlance shells do actually do a tiny bit of fire, nothing too noteworthy, but you can tell from the damage numbers when hitting different hitzones weak to fire. it's only a minor damage increase

[@NimbleSoulThief]

​@@LucasTigy2Talk about hard trolling! How you gonna say a number of monsters without listing them?

[@MahnsterHunter]

That's something to check out for myself then, I'm a filthy Switch Axe one trick. These other weapons I don't be paying too much attention to

[@MahnsterHunter]

In all fairness, I also didnt mention names for dragonblight monsters either so thats also on me too

[@LodestarLogado]

I honestly think if they’d released Frostfang Barioth first instead of Raging and flipped the updates nobody would’ve had an issue, the Frostfang Ice Weapons would’ve been Meta, and countered the Fire Alatreon Special Assignment perfectly, instead people jumped onto the Brachy weapon train and got bodied.

[@MahnsterHunter]

Thats a good point, but its also interesting to think, what if Frostfang was created because of the response to Alatreon?

[@LodestarLogado]

@@MahnsterHunter I had the same thought earlier to be honest with you, especially considering Frostfang isn’t super distinctive from base Barioth in terms of fight (no big flashy moves or anything). I’m less inclined to say for certain it was just because I think it would’ve taken too long to implement if they simply decide to drop it as a hotfix issue after the backlash - as well because they’d have to see just how bad the response was or if it calmed down enough. It certainly helped but the release window even at its earliest was probably too little too late

[@Mounttaintop]

the only thing that i care about is the people that say how was he supposed to know to use elements like he didnt sit a read the thing that says to use elements and the npcs dont say you need to use elements that is at best just farming reactions by acting dumb and at worst just straight ignorance

[@MahnsterHunter]

Someone else commented recently that he did mention about farming people with that method too. If that is true, thats actually pretty hilarious because its shown to be working especially in an envrionment as nuclear as twitter

[@pyrrhos8175]

Will immediately say IB Alatreon was not the first DPS check. Far from it. If you're really cynical, every hunt is a DPS check, but you only really feel the timer in the new gen on select fights. However, in the same game there are more direct DPS Checks, albeit most aren't immediate cart/failure, just heavy risk: Every version of Nergigante (AT) Zorah Magdaros EX Behemoth Kulve Taroth (similar to old gen repel) Safi'jiiva (enough damage to drop crags to survive Sapphire) Post Alatreon: Fatalis (specifically the head to prevent blue flame) AT Velkhana (to prevent aura stacking) Saw Asmon running into this problem because, tbh most do. Part of the problem is certainly not locking the fight behind at least MR70, if not post 100 to have Health Augment. That being said he is also notorious for not paying attention to detail and being stubborn vs advice (granted with a chat of 20k+ don't exactly blame him). Certainly could have reached out to a MH creator though for advice: many of which who showed interest in his journey.

[@MahnsterHunter]

Yeah, in a sense most tougher enemies are a "DPS check" like Rajang and the metal raths remain active in their powered up state. It wouldn't be considered the same with Behemoth, Kulve, or Safi. Behemoth explored the MMO like mechanics but you had to protect the comets it summoned to hide behind when it reached its damage threshold. Kulve running isn't a bad check considering you're going to have to do the quest multiple times regardless. Safi is a mix of Kulve and Behemoth with running away and a one shot that can be avoided. What makes Alatreon the first true MMO DPS check is that Alatreon punishes you by carting you or your entire party for failing to reach its objectivr. You can't farcaster or outheal the entire thing(TDS did it with a crazy set but the average person isn't going to be rocking that), or hide behind anything. You're stuck with the true consequences of your failure unlike Rajang or Metal Raths where you could just walk out the area, trap, blind, paralyze, stun etc etc and not guarantee your death

[@pyrrhos8175]

@@MahnsterHunter totally agree. Ala was the first to really "require" an intended solution (granted you could ignore in certain matchups ie IG with a elemental bug or sheer firepower of buffed Dragonpiercers/HBGs) even if fights like some of base World's ATs and Behemoth really incentivized certain setups. I personally liked the idea of the fight having a gimmick especially since it was scaled per weapon (although GL got a bit of the short end there) but totally see the critical complaints. Small note: EX Behemoth does specifically does have a hard check in its 2nd to last zone where it casts no comets, you either do enough damage to push it to a final zone or it Ecliptics you with no cover.

[@MahnsterHunter]

Ooooh I remember EX Behemoth now! Yeah when we got to the room just before the magma area and you either did or didnt pass. Nvm, Alatreon is the second technically, good call out!

[@UltraKardas]

@pyrrhos8175 If you think every hunt is a dps check, You don't know what a dps check is. DPS check is Damage per second check, not damage per hour check. (Most hunts have an hour time limit) A dps check PUNISHES you for failing it. Out of 71 main monsters, less than 10 have actual dps checks. (Nergigante isn't one of them btw.) Behemoth has a dps check. You get smashed by a meteor if you miss it. Kulve will run away. Ancient Leshen (who has more hp then basically any base game monster) has several checks, including a dps check and other mechanics as well (flashing him to stop attacks, or using fire to burn away the roots blocking your way) Zorah and Leshen are dps checks from the amount of health they have relative to the amount of damage you can deal. (Ancient leshen has more health than an arch tempered 4 player scaling xenojiva. Meaning 67k is a lot of damage for 1 player to do alone, in base monster) Alatreon is an elemental dps check that HEAVILY favors elemental based weapons. If you use a greatsword, good luck. The amount of element you can deal is going to make the fight extremely challenging compared to a more element focused weapon, which makes alatreon even harder. (Weapons like GS should have had element increased in line with their motion values) I think Raging Brachydios also had a defacto dps check too. That puts us at 8 dps checks and one elemental dps check. No idea what Asmon was doing. But for Alatreon specifically, it is very easy to be punished in that fight, just for wanting to use your favorite weapon.

[@UltraKardas]

@@MahnsterHunter People created a strategy to remove the dps check on behemoth. If one player mounted behemoth and stayed mounted, Behemoth would never actually perform the check. So as long as had teammates refill the mounter's stamina with items, you could "beat" the check with enough patience/teamwork.

[@jackdobson3156]

Hard agree on people wanting to be good and not actually understanding the game. In World/IB i played online a lot, pretty mcuh got carried through some things and made a META set asap. With 4 players theres less risk and i could still put out good damage. Ive played all of Rise/Sunbreak solo and im up to AR100+ for the anomaly grind and ive actually had to start learning the fights properly. It was an eye opener and frustratinf at fist, because i did struggle, but its starting to click now.

[@MahnsterHunter]

Most people in your position would quit or go back to online only but I'm glad to hear you stuck with it. Solo play and multiplayer are two very different animals. This is the primary reason I advocate for village quests

[@daorasama]

Yes this is what happen with most players in new gen mh..especially rise( using followers counts as easy mode anyway )..they got carried a lot..craft the most OP gear available n shit on the game for being too easy... Its not as fun as multiplayer but playing solo while finishing thru the story really helps u become a better hunter...u notice the movement pattern more, their roar timing, hitbox distance and mastering yr combo timing...

[@athos9293]

I almost had a heart attack when he threatened to let the ice Safi GS pass by

[@MahnsterHunter]

LMFAO the only game I watched him play was Remnant 2, once I saw he was serious about starting MH I said let me not see that in 4K 60FPS

[@harisharya4980]

i understand if he wants to play the game without any guide but man slayin alatreon with just will and hope won't cut it. not only that, he literaly deals only chip damage using GS the entire fight

[@MahnsterHunter]

I didn't watch him fight it so I dont know his level of skill but yeah Alatreon aint exactly a walk in the park on that front

[@thenewseorarek9625]

Going to be even worse on fatalis (if he makes it there) when he finds out he's going to have to grind for good gear and decos and cant just face tank it with campaign level gear

[@MahnsterHunter]

Gotta learn to bait out the cone atp

[@bennydreamstill8908]

Oh I remembered controversy. Back then I was still in school, I was a Hammer main and just want to play the game casually so I had basic Raw set to work with only, then Alatreon dropped and learned that now I needed to grind for at least an ele armor and 2 ele weapons Not a hard thing to do but it kinda kills the motivation for me to continue, just want to hunt some monsters with the boys after school and not just mindless grinding and wait for everyone to gear up.

[@MahnsterHunter]

A staple of the game is fight monster > make gear > fight better monster and Alatreon said fight fire/ice monster > make their gear > fight me. Alatreon woulda been received better without the elemental check

[@Hensy623]

sorry to say but if ur looking for something so casual ur looking at the wrong game. mhw was always known for its difficulty and grind, if u want easier and simplier give rise a go

[@bennydreamstill8908]

@@Hensy623 oh but I don't mind difficult fights at all, its the end game boss at the time so it makes sense to be hard. Its the fact that I had to make and upgrade a Fire/Ice hammer for this one boss specifically only to never touch it again is what annoyed me.

[@bennydreamstill8908]

@@MahnsterHunter true

[@Hensy623]

@@bennydreamstill8908 to be fair it's not obligatory it's just highly recommended that u get those Element weapons, and If we look at it that way, every monster has a recommended Element that will make them die faster

[@ChiefVizier]

this is why avoid defender weapons, atlhought im not opposed to them. It rushes folk through the game and they dont know the mechanics for later. Monster hunter feels great becasue of continous incremental improvments to skill, knowledge, items, weapons and armor.

[@MahnsterHunter]

Precisely. I feel that if they're going to continue attempting to attract new plauers to the series, they definitely need a better tutorial system instead of handing out raw power.

[@ИванСтародубцев-ц8з]

Right, I will get a lot of hate for this, but I do not care at all. The argument that "Alatreon is bad, because he has a damage check" Can be applied to a lot of monsters, mainly Fatalis (who is mainly compared to Alatreon as a main endgame challenge). Alatreon is so much better of a fight than Fatalis in my opinion, because his attacks are way better made in terms of hitboxes, his "dps check" is way less punishing than Fatalis's (that includes both the horns and his hp overall), and he is way more interesting to look at with a big diversity of attacks and ways to make you into crimson mist, instead of a human with a big sharp stick. Am I saying that escaton judgment is a good mechanic? Nope, it is very bad in such a game, and I do agree that if it wasn't in the game the fight would be better. Also, giving hate to Asmon, who specifically played through the game as an illiterate great sword main with a logic of a Rajang for not reading into such a specific mechanic as Escaton Judgement is such a Twitter thing. Just let a guy play the game how he want. Who cares if he forgets to look for small visual clues, that rarely show up in the game because only a small portion of monsters use dragon element. The beauty of Monster Hunter as a game is its learning curve and the process of understanding it, so just let him and Alatreon bash horns together, until one or the other is out cold, it would be so much more fun, than just belitteling the guy for not reading/looking for sometimes annoying text boxes and small visual clues.

[@MahnsterHunter]

I truly don't believe you should get hate for voicing said opinion. Its also ok to like Alatreon. For me, it was cool seeing Fatalis return but I wasn't too much thrilled with its damage being the artificial difficulty mixed with a 25 minute window? Oh, that's a nasty recipe. And twitter will do what twitter will do which is why I'd like to at least let people know that rather than just attacking people personally over things, it would be better to just engage in constructive manner.

[@phunkym8]

he said once that he puts up a stream persona and i guess repeatedly being bad at video games is super funi and gets those precious kekw's

[@MahnsterHunter]

Shiiiieet if so thats actually the case, man's has max stats in finesse

[@TacynMegan]

All of his problems can be solved by reading the instructions But he’s murican unga bunga his way out of games and to be fair MH allows you to do that EXCEPT for alatreon I HATED his fight since I was a heavy gunner main I had to chacanee my entire gear decorations weapons and playstyle JUST for him Fatalis still is the ultimate practical test but Alatreon is the ultimate written test , if that makes sense

[@MahnsterHunter]

Yeah the reading bit is the most important. I learned my lesson the hard way as a kid when I played Pokemon red and would just mash A.

[@TacynMegan]

@@MahnsterHunter back in the day I made it halfway into FF8 disc one without knowing what junction even was , it was rough to say the least and of course I restarted the game once I knew how bad I was doing and how much I missed

[@MahnsterHunter]

Yiiiiiikes, that's a chunky restart. My condolences

[@requiemfenrir3008]

To be fair, you can unga bunga Alatreon without elements. I don't remember the exact build as its been a few years now, but whatever LBG was meta with Sticky you can beat him with that. Wait for Felyne Insurnace, and go into the quest knowing you'll faint from Judgement. Run Fortify. I did this a few times solo in order to farm him.

[@MahnsterHunter]

Was it the Safi water lbg? That may have been what it was. I mentioned it in another comment, but to beat it for my friend I took my blast set and he got insurance. Each time escaton happened I would quit out and rejoin

[@Auvisome]

4:28 hard disagree. The fight is a masterpiece because of the threat of escaton. It forces aggression and mastery. Makes you have to think about your build before going into the hunt. Without the threat, players could easily rest on their laurels and just play it safe. The whole balance and challenge is designed around you playing efficiently. Fatalis is the same, just with a different style. 30 minute timer, and a nigh mandatory horn break or his attacks oneshot.

[@Dayhawk101]

It's a monster in a game. How is this people's entire mentality to get upset at this stuff? Holy crap the world we live in XD

[@MahnsterHunter]

That's the power of the internet, fam

[@guillaumearth4726]

To be fair, blast feels more like an element than a status to me. Like element is damage on hit, status is longer in time

[@MahnsterHunter]

Yeah, like you said, main difference is element is bonus damage and status is applied effect through buildup

[@LodestarLogado]

Honestly the Blast dilemma I think stems from the fact it started as Slime, and was unique to Brachy, each hit of a blast weapon was like applying the slime, then watching it transition from Green to Yellow to Orange to Red and then Boom, Unfortunately it doesn’t replicate that transition visually so most people don’t clock the buildup. I think it’d also be a bit different if the other status’ proc’d more. Only getting 3-4 Para in the best conditions, meanwhile you get like 15+ blast explosions.

[@MahnsterHunter]

Exactly. Once they turned it from slime to blast, those buildup indicators in 4th gen were dark puff clouds that got brighter until it actually exploded. Now its just big boom

[@Heldermaior]

There is no drama. This is just nerds being nerds. And Asmon really doesn't give a shit. It is a one sided romance. Just move on mate.

[@ascended8174]

The one thing I always hated about the DPS check is how it was stat-based, not skill-based. I remember fighting when he first released, and I didn't have the optimal equipment and build, but I understood that I needed an elemental weapon. But unlike with other monsters where that just meant you would take longer than usual to kill it, Alatreon forces a cart simply because of it. I wasn't even getting hit more than 2 or 3 times after several runs, I could absolutely be dancing with him perfectly, but because the Escaton was purely stat-based outside of the two horn breaks (which was a skill-based mechanic, I don't know why they didn't just stick with that) it didn't matter that I was performing well in terms of fighting him and reading his attacks, I will always take that one cart because I simply can't deal enough DPS numbers due to my non-optimal equipment. Other than that, the fight is completely fine. I think Capcom did better with DPS checks when they introduced Fatalis. Same skill-based mechanic of targeting a body part, but none of the bullshit of a guaranteed cart because his flames could be avoided if you paid attention, while still rewarding you for achieving the goal with guaranteed drops and weakening Fatalis' damage

[@MahnsterHunter]

Thats actually a good way to put it. Rather than just being good, yeah you HAD to have those good offensive stats especially running solo. That's the most disappointing, fighting so hard and just losing cuz oops didnt play hurt well enough

[@Hensy623]

every monster in mhw is stat-based, you wont kill fatalis with low lvl gear just cause ur a god at the game. gear is half of the game

[@MahnsterHunter]

Also doesnt help that Fatalis has a 25 minute time limit

[@ascended8174]

@@Hensy623 Sure, but it never dictated whether you carted or not. I've killed some late MR monsters with LR gear just for the lols, and while it took a long bit, I wasn't forced to cart because of it, that was still up to how well I played. Fatalis is an extreme example for you to use with his low timer. Alatreon and Extremoth are probably the only monsters that cart you for not doing enough numbers, regardless if you can fight well enough.

[@ollievirus6695]

@@ascended8174 Some people have done the Alatreon quest without max build, heck some even with suboptimal build, but of course you need the bare minimum build to do it and not be carted. Heck, my friend did Alatreon solo without elemental build with his own weird build (He hates KZbin builds for some reason), he put fortify and prepared mentally to only faint whenever Alatreon did the Escaton Judgement with Switch Axe.

[@spearmaaster]

i never really got why people hated alatreon dps check it's not that bad i never had a problem with it or my friends felt kinda nice actually or maybe i have no life and play this game a little too much.

[@MahnsterHunter]

People had their multitude of reasons for not liking it but you're just fine to love it if it you do

[@OrenjiArms]

bruh this is hardly drama

[@MahnsterHunter]

Everything is drama to twitter

[@OrenjiArms]

@@MahnsterHunter true

[@caliginousmoira8565]

why does teostra burn you......