Exploring Europe's "Ugliest" City

[@righthook5425]

37:30 He says nobody was bothering him during the war, maybe it was different for someone else, but it was good for him. Translation is a bit misleading.

[@BenTheRules]

Thank you! Sometimes I really couldn’t understand him, even after listening to it 10 times, so I did my best. Thanks for the help

[@hngbvfmnbv]

@@BenTheRules in 19:20 there's another mistranslation, he says "Oni će Rusiju 'krenut", meaning they'll turn Russia upside down, and another one in 19:50 where he says something more along the lines of "America should roughen him up a little". The bit where the car was loud I think he says "Ako Putin dozvoli, zavisi o njemu" meaning "If Putin allows it, it depends on him" in regards to if there will be further sanctions. Admittedly that's a strange answer so not completely sure about it but completely sure about the first two.

[@bosniak3267]

Every city is ugly when weather is like this hahahahahah

[@Jose-ue3bu]

Zenica looks like this in the middle of summer's most sunny and clear weather

[@Senadbh92]

Kad si ti bosnjak bio u zenici?

[@arnelabih1845]

Lol I agree 😂

[@avionLeti]

@@Jose-ue3bu it really isnt stop spreading missinformation

[@baklava6138]

@@Jose-ue3buactually zenica is very green with a lot of parks in summer completely different

[@JoeRogansGutBiome]

Zenica is also known as Real Madrid

[@RicoBanani]

how so?

[@FKS1946]

@@RicoBanani there's a tiktoker from Bosnia (he was an ex convict) from Zenica who became popular 5-6 years ago after Bosnian TV made a documentary about the prison life in Bosnia. When he was interviewed along with other prisoners, he said "Zenica built itself like it's Real Madrid", commenting on the change of scenery and new buildings and roads built by the time he was locked up

[@Ateagno]

Before the war, the Zenica ironworks had about 25,000 directly employed people and another 50,000 indirectly employed people, which made it the largest ironworks in Europe!

[@i.h.v.]

This is the real truth.

[@i.h.v.]

It's workers made 1-1.5 millions of tonnes of reinforced steel each year.

[@i.h.v.]

The most of the train rail tracks in Yugoslavia and the whole World were made in Zeljezara Zenica.

[@nuraH1]

Thanks for being in Zenica. Please come back again in spring or summer when weather is nicer and you'll see all the beauty that Zenica has to offer

[@daneboro6847]

The old Croat man was a dear and wise person, wish there were more like him, world would be a better place.

[@icouldlivehere1]

Zenica moj grad. It's really pretty in the spring and summer.

[@BenTheRules]

I imagine all the green space is great this time of year. Pozdrav

[@coacoacoa2]

Lupeta, ja sam proputovao pola Evrope i mogu ti reci da je Zenica Baden-Baden u odnosu na neke gradove. Pogledaj samo snimke Napulja, smrdi kroz monitor.

[@jasminhegic9926]

What a legend Jozo is. Great video as always. Keep uploading and build this channel!

[@Pasha46]

Didn't expect someone to visit and film Zenica but here you are! I am glad you like it. The main bad point of this place is the pollution from the steel factory, but overall it's a nice place especially when you see Babina rijeka, Bosna, the parks, čaršija etc. About Crkvice, it is really not that dangerous, and also it is not a Croat majority neighborhood, there was a significant Croat population a long time ago but that's not the case for quite a long time now. In any way that doesn't even matter, we are all people and love each other. :)

[@BenTheRules]

I agree, take out the pollution and you have a cool, hard-working city with nice people and a lot of green space. I'm happy I went

[@i.h.v.]

From this City, the hardest working people of Yugoslavia went all around the world.

[@ziggyshenene5485]

You've gone from like 1k to 8.4k subs in the time I've been watching, keep it up man, I'm loving your style. Love that you subtitle everything too.

[@BenTheRules]

I appreciate it, thanks for continuing to support 🙏🙏 the subtitles have taken years off my life, but it’s important to do

[@RicoBanani]

I've never been to Zenica... passed it in the way to Sarajevo a few times. didnt know its basically as big as my hometown Osijek.. It looks very green! Your video makes me wanna go to Zenica and explore.. Pozdrav komšije! 🇧🇦♥️🇭🇷

[@a.z.983]

I have never heard anyone say anything bad about the people of Zenica, you probably understood that part wrong. I think people told you not to go there because we are not proud that our country and its corrupt government failed this place and its people. These people live in this polluted city doing some of the most difficult jobs to be able to lift our country's economy and stay in their homeland, but they are not receiving anything in return from that country. I am not from Zenica, but I left Bosnia and now I live in an austrian city known for its steal production, air quality is so much better here (better than in Sarajevo), workers are respected and well paid, goverment is suporting the factory because they are lifting the standard up, bringing profit and progres to the country. But they also keep the factory´s management responsible for the air and water quality, for the workers´ rights and wellbeing and they are also obligated to invest and maintain infrastructure. In Zenica one can see how nothing is invested in the city, nothing done to protect these people, no one is held responsible for that mistreatment... When I talk with other people that have left the country that betrayal is the biggest reason why most of us left and that is why we don´t want tourists to see the work of our government but prefer them to see the things that make us go back there like the nature, the food, tradition, culture, music etc.

[@Albanianwarrior23]

I like that old man. He's a real man..

[@petarpetrovic571]

50 shades of gray

[@xCatull]

🫢

[@desertrose2378]

You should come to Zenica in the spring and summer season when the whole city is green and the air is much cleaner. I live in Zenica, I also lived in NYC where the situation is drastically worse when it comes to pollution. Bosnia and Herzegovina and its cities have a lot to show the world.

[@BenTheRules]

For sure, each city has its own unique charm

[@hrvojesadak]

super pričaš brate, pozdrav iz Hrvatske iz Siska, preporuka da posjetiš grad isto industrijski grad

[@BenTheRules]

thank you, pozdrav! mozda krenet cu ovamo jednog dana

[@Teklimakann]

The gentleman at the end of the video is a wise man.

[@BenTheRules]

I agree, one of the best people I’ve ever met while traveling

[@Belisarius516]

Actually close to Bilino Polje one of the earliest and most important early acts of Bosnian sovereignty happened in 1203 when the Ban of Bosnia, Kulin, with the cleargy of the schismatic Bosnian church renounced their faith in presence of Ban Kulin and Giovanni da Casamari from the Vatican. But continued with anti-Catholicism internally for centuries until the Turkish occupaction. Also Charter of ban Kulin was written near Zenica.

[@nuraH1]

Next time you should visit Vranduk (old Medieval Fortress near Zenica) and Smetovi - small mountain in Zenica where you can find an interesting yugoslavian monument

[@miralemmehanovic5999]

Zenica is fine, one has to acknowledge that it is an industrial town. The people of Zenica are nice and friendly. The town is historically important for the Bosnian identity. I would insist on putting proper filters on the factory chimneys. The city must destroy a few old brutalist buildings and put a new neoclassical architecture buildings. The city has a university, parks and the old town. Zenica has a potential to be good!

[@aidaa5824]

Zenica is beautiful town. But in a winter everything looks ugly even in Berlin. 😅

[@lerapol]

Nisam znao da je vazduh toliko zagađen u tom gradu. Iako su i putevi iznenađujuće dobro održavani. I auti na tom glavnom putu su baš lijepo izgledali. Dobar snimak.

[@r_a_n_d_o_m_i_z_e_r]

Zenica is really beautiful, what are you saying? Opposite of ugly

[@BenTheRules]

I didn’t say it, that’s what everyone told me! It was a nice surprise to see the center + all the green spaces

[@ariellll-vb5nm]

I'm from bosnia and zenica is not really beautiful. Like he said in the video: the most polluted city in bosnia, with the worst air quality. I wouldn't want to live there.

[@r_a_n_d_o_m_i_z_e_r]

@@ariellll-vb5nm I'm from Zenica i ne seri

[@TimeZone-qg4ms]

@@ariellll-vb5nm we are glad you dont live here

[@ahmedmeh]

Went there everytime we went to Bosnia, got great memories of that place PS. It was annoying af before those highways got built

[@franzjosef7728]

During the rule of Austro-Hungary Zenica witnessed the construction of various types of economically significant infrastructure, including a railway from Bosanski Brod in 1879, a coal mine in 1880, a paper factory (1885), ironworks (1892), and a penitentiary (1886). In 1908, a power station was built, which enabled the introduction of electric public lighting. State schools were also opened, the first in 1885 and the second in 1910. Confessional schools also opened, both for Catholic and Orthodox churches, and lectures at these schools and at madrasas began to be conducted in the local language. Cultural societies were organized, such as the Croatian Singing Society, as well as hunting and mountaineering clubs. In 1910, the first cinema opened in Zenica.

[@balkangamer01]

Nice video and also Zenica is also nice place to visit. Been there myself alot and Zenica is place where a wedding dress for my lady was bought bought and my suit as well ❤. Keep up the good work with these videos.

[@BenTheRules]

Specialties of Zenica: 1. Steel 2. Wedding Apparel

[@balkangamer01]

@@BenTheRulesyea.. :-)

[@phatpanda3805]

born in Melbourne Australia, i really enjoyed Zenica, ive stayed for several months. As mentioned the place is slower pace but I enjoyed it. Lovely water walks etc. Great food, must try Ćevabdžinica Bešlić, I have an apartment right across there (currently not in Bosnia)

[@BenTheRules]

I ended up going to a cevabdzinica next to the big pijaca, i don't remember the name. But it was decent

[@Gabrielm624]

@@BenTheRulesmust have been Kod Seje?

[@jasminalagic564]

Zenica is definitely not that bad, it gets quite green around the center in the spring/summer.

[@Paco1337]

They have shut down one of the parts of the factory few days ago, we got one of the cleanest air of the Balkan region now (when you compere it to big cities of course.)

[@BenTheRules]

Interesting, why'd they shut it down?

[@hasulfer84]

@@BenTheRules Same reason you mentioned at the begining (The air quality)... altough the owner of the Steel Company said it was because of the fact that it isnt profitable anymore, the "Coke furnace" that was finally shut down was the main reason for bad Air quality and we are fighting for years against that. Just google the byproducts of the "coking" (coal tar pitch, ammonia (NH3), hydrogen sulphide (H2S), pyridine, hydrogen cyanide and carbon based material) are all that you smelled near the Coke furnace inside the Steel factory.

[@BenTheRules]

@@hasulfer84 yeah i can imagine it's not good for people to breathe that in every day... hopefully things will improve! i hope not too many people will lose their jobs, either

[@nedjmaannyiah6400]

the words of this old man are sweet and painful at the same time...one day maybe Yugoslavia will live again

[@BenTheRules]

Ako bog da

[@Belisarius516]

Why is it UNBELIEVABLE to have a highway in Bosnia or that matter in the Balkans? Bosnia was after all the center of heavy industry in former Yugoslavia. VERY INTERESTING video though 👌 Based old Zenicanin. 👍

[@BenTheRules]

I don't think it's unbelievable, I think it's a great sign of progress. Yugoslavia and Bosnia with it had some amazing industrial projects (look no further than the željezara in Zenica). Unfortunately war, corruption and political gridlock have held Bosnia back from realizing its potential and achieving the successes that it had back in the 20th century. But this highway is a sign of progress. It takes an hour to go from Sarajevo to Zenica now, whereas the train on the way back was twice as long.

[@delaguitara]

Thank you. I enjoyed that. Five stars and a high-five.

[@stefan2serb]

So embarrassing that a highway is some kind of special achievement. It is heartbreaking how far behind the rest of Europe the Balkans is. Other Southern European countries like Italy have had highways for decades. Dozens, loads of them. They are just normal.

[@stefan2serb]

@@dzevadbayraktar322 Yugoslavia was 22 million+ population and Belgrade doesn’t even have a metro system. There is genuinely no excuse for how poor the infrastructure is in the Balkans (except Greece).

[@sanijamuminovic5406]

Hvala za za lijepu reportazu Zenice rodni grad moje djece

[@BenTheRules]

pozdrav!

[@enejmichel6119]

Jozo the legend!

[@HarisP000]

It's a mid-sized city in a poor country where corruption is rampant, the city is like any other, people don't want the stench and the pollution, but there are no regulations and companies abuse it, or if there are, it's not enforced and through bribes you can avoid pretty much all charges. Your south Slavic is very good tho, don't feel shy to ask us to repeat something if you didn't quite catch it

[@i.h.v.]

I was born and grew up in this City, in Crkvice then Novo Radakovo. It was not ugly at all and people were good workers. But it was the most polluted City in Europe back in 1980s because the Steel Factory was making 1-1.5 millions of tonnes of reinforced steel each year.

[@downtheline160]

Just for a record, Sarajevo is way more polluted than Zenica, actually is one of the top 5 most polluted cities in the world.

[@djomlas888]

Cool man, I would say you should visit Travnik, Travnicki cevap might be better than Sarajevski, also make sure to try Travnicki sir, of other places to visit there is also Jajce, Banja Luka, also any place on the Una river, the most beautiful river in the country

[@damirkvajo]

Pitsburgh of Bosnia :D

[@BenTheRules]

Hahaha yeah, I think it’s a decent analogy. I’ve only been to each city once, but on the surface it works out. Industrial city, steel production, football team named after steel, multiple rivers, surrounded by hills, etc etc

[@sal78sal]

Zenica is Pittsburgh and Bosnia is the Appalachia of Europe.

[@michaels8297]

Nailed it

[@deebo7276]

And funnily enough, lots of Croatians moved to Pittsburg in the beginning of the last century :)

[@alem2412]

Really good Bosnian, keep up 👍

[@BenTheRules]

Hvala!

[@7edim]

He said "deseti dio" in context of Željezara, as it is at 1/10th of the capacity that it used to be. He doesn't know for sure since it sold to an outside owner now. Also he said later on he had a brain stroke and that it has made it harder to write. As a side note everyone will give you a different interpretation on how it was in the Ex Yugoslavia. I have a feeling its due to different type of population and goals that they had as well as receiving different treatment from local government which was inconsistent in that big of a region with different rules applying to village vs city population. Good work, and again interesting video to watch.

[@BenTheRules]

Thanks for the corrections on the translations. I had to watch the conversation back so many times with my Bosnian friend to try to understand him but it was really difficult at times ahaha

[@tangocash342]

Zenica is my hometown. Please come back during the springtime.

[@BenTheRules]

I'd love to, I really liked it

[@tangocash342]

There is no Bosnian or Croat or Serbian neighborhood in Zenica, and there haven't been any exclusive neighborhood. Zenica was a big melting pot and we are proud to be open to everyone.Do not put that nationalistic label on my hometown. Zenica always had Muslim majority and that majority always new and knows how to respect their neighbors regardless their religious or ethnic preferences.

[@2457lsrbija]

PEACE POZZ IZ VOJVODINA REPUBLIKA 🇷🇸🚩

[@FickeyH]

The old man is right they used to call it serbocroatian language in Yugoslavia,however from 1180. until 1907. (Over 700 years) the language was called Bosnian language❤️🖐 Thanks for video 👍

[@toluwaseafolayan7991]

Let's go Zenica Mentioned!!!

[@BenTheRules]

must be nice to see your hometown on the big screen

[@vrod2144]

This video definitely made look Zenica much worse than it is. City is normal and nice and there is a huge park and nice streets with social life and full coffee shops. For some reason this guy wants to make Zenica look bad.

[@BenTheRules]

Not at all, I wanted to explore the zeljezara bc I heard a lot about it, but other than that the city was really pretty. I showed the park in this video and mentioned the green space, next to both the Bosna and the Babina (I especially liked that part, in crkvice). I didn’t show the old town in this video but it was also quite nice. I’d love to come back in summer, too. Sorry if I didn’t give that impression enough in this vid, but it really surpassed my expectations, especially after the things people told me about the city

[@i.h.v.]

This is how Zenica looks like each autumn, winter and early spring. Always the same.

[@vrod2144]

@@i.h.v. No

[@cutcut1980]

I was a part of SFOR and visited the Turkish base at the steel mill 20 years ago. It is something out of Mad Max.

[@spikecsgo]

Comeback in summer and you will see how beautiful and alive Zenica is. I dont like how you portrayed our city, every city is ugly in winter.

[@dzonikg]

Most ex Yugoslavian cities look bad in winter but very nice from April to Oktober because off lot off trees. IN Bosnia i personally like most Banjaluka.Walking in Banjaluka is just pleasure where ever you go ,its just well tought city with lot off green in almost every street

[@BenTheRules]

That’s cool, I think I’ll go to Banja Luka later this year, I’m excited to see

[@dzonikg]

@@BenTheRules It reminds me a lot to Novi Sad

[@smajovickemal6901]

Hvala puno na video snimcima👍Dobro pricas Bosanski. Zanima me sto si ovako cesto u Bosnu i koliko jos ostajes? 👋

[@BenTheRules]

Hvala! Imam remote posao pa mogu da radim bilo gdje. Bio sam prošle 6 mjeseci u evropu, izmedu svicarska i balkanu. Živio sam 2 mjeseci u Sarajevo (to mi je najlijepše grad!), zato napravio sam toliko snimaka u Bosnu. Pozdrav :)

[@smajovickemal6901]

@@BenTheRules Super! Koliko ostajes u Bosnu? Mi smo u njemackoj trenutno a vracamo se za 2 sedmice. Pa da probas domaci Burek ako si musterija haha

[@davorlekenik9563]

15:20 .....actually this is coking plant ...... (by the way ... why you don't filming termoelectric plant 300 m. tall chimney near Kakanj ....??

[@aleta5024]

Jozo probably never read Kant yet learned everything about Kant's categorical imperative by living his life in Bosnia.

[@MirzaZenica]

Zenica is beautiful city..🇧🇦💚

[@BenTheRules]

sto po sto!

[@Senadbh92]

Dude. Ugliest city? Omg there is not more preety city in bih. It just does not have any historicals in the downtown, but urbanisticaly its most beutiful and most green city in bih. There is no city in bih with such big central park.

[@BenTheRules]

I agree, all the green space was really nice to see along the river. The šetalište along the Babina river was great as well, and the čaršija is really pretty. It’s definitely a lot nicer than people told me. I still think Sarajevo is prettier though :)

[@Milan1Nikolic]

Since your previous video on Ramadan had a lots of views, can you visit some of the oldest Bosnian mosques to show us, and have a small talk with the hodža on regular topics, just like with Jozo? I would like to see it. Cheers.

[@BenTheRules]

Not a bad idea. Any mosques in particular you recommend (or churches for that matter, it would be cool to talk to people from all the religious groups in Bosnia)? I know some of the famous ones in Sarajevo but not too many outside of that

[@Milan1Nikolic]

It would be cool to show us some old, traditional, wooden mosque or sufi Blagaj Tekke, for an example.

[@aljovuk4119]

Pozdrav iz Pitsburga

[@BenTheRules]

Pozdrav! The Zenica of USA

[@anelanche367]

My hometown and the most beautiful in the world. It's not nice to call it the ugliest

[@BenTheRules]

Slazem se. It’s a really cool city, I enjoyed it!

[@eined92]

respect for learning Bosnian, its one of the hardest leanguages in Europe. 🫡👍👍

[@BenTheRules]

Hvala! Nije lako ali je jako

[@whitesneyk3356]

Bosnjacki jezik ne postoji , star je 30 godina, pricate SRPSKI i ni to vam necemo dati, samo polako poturice.

[@sui-sp3sv]

@@whitesneyk3356 hahahha average mad serbian

[@libertas5005]

@@whitesneyk3356 Your petty insults against Bosniaks just reveal how sad you are. Get educated. And stop embarrassing yourself and your people.

[@adi862]

@@whitesneyk33561631 nastao bosanski rjecnik a srpski 1815

[@Mery.3462]

I would change the title because Zenica is definitely not the ugliest city in Europe😳Zenica is a beautiful city, with wonderful people, full of greenery. Every city is ugly and dirty in winter! Also,every city has its own beauty👍

[@BenTheRules]

“Ugliest” is in quotes because other people told me it was ugly, I found the city really nice 👍 like you said, so much green space, and really nice people. Pozdrav!

[@joeyguy444]

Epic !

[@BenTheRules]

shouldn't you be at work!?!?! XD

[@1301983]

in nature, you don't find perfect pyramid shapes.

[@daYugoslav]

Bro i was born in zenica fml 💀😭😭😭

[@ademmustajbasic6465]

You should visit my Gracanica near Tuzla. I can help you. Good luck Ben.

[@BenTheRules]

I'll look into it. Cheers!

[@jj4774ns-te5px]

I know it, it's a tiny place which is an economic wonder. Many people have private bussinesses, export internationally and have some serious money!

[@wauliepalnuts6134]

Zenica seems hopeless and where dreams go to die. This makes it the perfect Balkan city.

[@jj4774ns-te5px]

No it doesn't look hopeless lol. It just looks kinda boring a bit from the outer look, but life is okay there.

[@Bosniak803]

Zenica is very beautiful city ... Change the name of the video

[@BenTheRules]

i put "ugliest" in quotes because other people said that to me. I found it nice though

[@hasnabuljic1154]

Change the name of the video i't s not nice and also it's not the truth

[@Aboleo80]

The old head was a real Yugonostalgic person 😅 but in all seriousness he is from the area of Bosnia where biggest fighting between Bosniaks and Croats was happening during the war. "Srednja Bosna" was wild during the war and the fact that he is still there after everything that happened is remarkable.

[@BenTheRules]

Yeah that guy was a legend. Seems like he’s lived quite a life. I hope he’s doing well

[@Milan1Nikolic]

You look like you caught covid. Show us some Serbian places or towns in Bosnia, it would be interesting to see your perspective on it.

[@BenTheRules]

Hahaha I always look terrible before I've had my morning coffee :) I plan to do some exploring in Republika Srpska this summer

[@Milan1Nikolic]

​@@BenTheRules I have some small health issues these days. So yeah, I still think you caught something 😀. Get well if I'm correct, if not, take a double turska ☕☕. And thanks for showing us Zenica, as those not-very-popular places in which regular people are living are genuine. Cheers

[@sal78sal]

There are no "Serbian" places in Bosnia. There are places where Serbs live and a re the majority, but it's not theirs any more than anyone else's.

[@ademmustajbasic6465]

As a bosniak. It's ok to me for serb to say "serbian place". He clearly thinks of bosnian town with serb majority. And we all know so please ignore it.​ @@sal78sal

[@Milan1Nikolic]

@@sal78sal Right, that's what I thought.

[@johnjazvac]

You think that’s bad? Visit Hamilton, Ontario

[@POKRET68]

Zenica is Blade Runner in middle of Balkan

[@robertoadam1647]

Welcome to visit Tuzla

[@outlaw1312]

Someone lied to you dude and yes there is a most dangerous part of Zenica... its called Jalija.

[@BenTheRules]

ahhh, I gotta go back now. Why's it dangerous?? I've never found a place in all of Bosnia that I thought was dangerous (except for the dogs lol)

[@libertas5005]

"No one ever comes back from Zenica" - was this a tribute to Zabranjeno Pusenje's song?

[@BenTheRules]

Hahaha no I just made a joke in the moment, I didn’t even hear of the song until after I made this video

[@JoeRogansGutBiome]

If you want 100% chance of food poisoning, go eat a burek at the zenica bus station. Lady does not wash her hands for days

[@Moorkee]

Visit us during summer time

[@lordnicholasbuzanthefearle2155]

23:13 "those babas" rofl :)))

[@harisdevedzic3167]

When I red the title I thought it eas in Russsia or something, when it is in my own country 😂 But it's not that ugly man, common, especialy in summer it's OK

[@BenTheRules]

I don’t think it’s ugly, I really liked the city. A ton of green space, really nice old town. And most importantly really nice people. I put “ugliest” in quotes because other people have talked shit about zenica to me, but I really liked it

[@Sitni985]

My City! 🖤❤️

[@michaels8297]

One way ticket to zenica 😂😂 BEN THE RULES KNOWS NO BOUNDS

[@BenTheRules]

I never made it back from zenica

[@BaggxD]

when was this recorder,what time of year?

[@BenTheRules]

Middle of March. I’m hoping to come back in the summer too :)

[@citilacija]

This old Croat is really fair and good.

[@BenTheRules]

He was an awesome guy to talk to

[@EsmaTabak55]

I lived in Zenica from '92 to '98 during my childhood/teenage years and during the aggression on my country. Zeničani su baš prijatni. Imam jedno lijepo sjećanje na Zenicu🤩When the weather is like that, it does look ugly, otherwise it's a nice place. When was this filmed?

[@BenTheRules]

I'm happy I got to see the city, it's much nicer than everyone says! I filmed this in mid-march. I have been busy lately, so it took me awhile to edit it :)

[@mastorovich]

Old Croat stole the video, it ended up being his video applause 👏

[@BenTheRules]

Hahaha yes he is a legend

[@pivicpivic2514]

Nedo ti bog da sam te sreo na cesti poslije ovog videa pozdrav I izbjegavaj zenicu u narednom periodu...pozdrav

[@CounterIntelCS]

Actually the Air quality has improved significantly in the last few days, because one of the biggest polluters 'koksara' from the big steel plant got shut down. Its a bit unfortunate you visited it before.. Don't get me wrong, Zenica is still one of the polluted cities in Bosnia, but there are at least 3-4 that are on the same level when it comes to pollution and two (Sarajevo and Tuzla) that are regularly more polluted. I've traveled much of Bosnia myself and I can't say that Zenica is the uglies in Bosnia (I think one of the uglies in Bosnia is Vareš) , even in Europe, there are way way uglier cities.

[@BenTheRules]

I heard about the koksara closing down, I’ll have to go back and see the difference. I didn’t think zenica was ugly either. It was a bit cloudy when I was there, but other than that the city itself was quite nice, especially the green space

[@SalaZabava89]

Imagine that Americans are calling some city ugly? NY, WA are on CPR 😂

[@BenTheRules]

What Americans called it ugly?? I thought it was nice

[@writer684]

3 people one language ..and one people when I think about it .....

[@BenTheRules]

Based

[@ht8286]

Nearly all of them are mixed between the 3 through their ancestry ... They will never admit it ...

[@dadiljainfo]

Bravo za jezik i komunikaciju

[@BenTheRules]

Hvala!

[@damir_arch]

Didi ispran mozak komunizmom, Bosna je postojala davno prije jugoslavije i bosanski jezik. Pristat u jednoj jugoslaviji da ucis srpsko-hrvatski je diskriminacija prema ostalim narodima.

[@legambaz]

How is it you know the language?

[@BenTheRules]

Been learning it for a few years now. I have some Bosnian friends from my home town so I’ve always been interested in the region, started learning in 2019 and visited for the first time in 2021

[@legambaz]

@@BenTheRules 💪💪

[@arnelabih1845]

Why do they have the smoke? How can they prevent it? Just curious

[@SuperPeka89]

because factorys, only if u close it hah

[@nomchenikoloski7729]

😊😊😊

[@nejra3345]

You should come when it's summer

[@BenTheRules]

To mi je plan

[@NikolaZelic]

"Those BABAS don't think that..."😂

[@eldindokara7868]

"Zenica blues", Zabranjeno Pusenje

[@vrod2144]

Who says its ugliest? Lol

[@BenTheRules]

Several people both tourists and Bosnians (not from zenica of course) told me it wasn’t a nice city, was really polluted, etc. As you see in the video tho it was overblown, I really enjoyed the city. A ton of green space by both rivers, plus the carsija was really nice

[@alsaric2005]

31.38 na tom mjestu je rijeka bila pregradjena, ljeti….svi ti jezici… Crkvice mjesto mog rodjenja Hvala

[@on1452]

Who said country bosnia is named after the river maybe the river is named after the country think about that. And there is Not any city in bosnia who is "ugly" every city looks beautiful ❤

[@BenTheRules]

food for thought my friend. And I agree, I still haven't found a city in Bosnia I don't like! pozdrav :)

[@on1452]

@@BenTheRules sorry that i Commented even before watching the whole Video (which is beautiful of course) i traveled a lot through lot of european countries (ok except few Eastern countries) and one thing i can say is that bosnians are People with a big and honest heart i mean look at jozo that guy saw you for the first time and immediately spoke about everything in his life and problems around the country etc ...and i am sure he would give you his couch in his living room to sleep if you have said that you want to stay in zenica for few days. I didnt see such nice behaviour in any other european Region (except balkans) the people in rest of europe are often suspicious and dont even like to talk to strangers. And i know for a fact that People from Sarajevo have their issues when it comes to zenica but for example i am from bihac and we would never Call zenica an ugly city maybe thats how Sarajevo sees zenica. 😊 i am sure they are old rivals

[@jj4774ns-te5px]

If you are really from Bihać then how the hell you don't know how Bosnia got it's name and why it definitely was a name after the river. I hope you were just humorous in sarcastic way.

[@on1452]

@@jj4774ns-te5px so you know for a fact and you have a proof for that? Or you just repeat what you have heard because Show us the evidence Where it clearly says that the country is named after river? Where ? Thats fabricated for sure and if you cant give us a Proof for that at least you should say we dont know. When i name my son after his grandfather there is the evidence who is older.however you cant say it in the case of river and country. And dont Proof it by showing me the book from 1977. I hope you understand And i wish you all the best

[@jj4774ns-te5px]

@@on1452 1) if we're talking about serious books such as encyclopedias then, yes, they are still relevant. I apologise if I sounded rude btw. I was just a little taken aback. I kind of thought everyone knew of how these claims have came to be and why are they taken seriously and as a scientific reference. My background of education is actually in archaeology so I take it for granted, but your reaction kind of suggested to me I shouldn't. Okay, never mind, I will try my best to explain it. I suppose you do know the basic part of history, so that I don't repeat that part? First track of name "Bosna"? Konstantin Porfirogenit and his travel across the neighborhood areas to his empire? So, even in that book from 10th century AD it was clearly described that Bosna is small country "encompassing the flow of spring, upper and lower flow of the river of the same name". Now, maybe it's something new for you to hear about that, but - historically, rivers were mostly always named first by the local inhabitants, ahead of other toponims, for in ancient past, river was a factor that would be a reason to settle in that area, more important than any other factor. Only then, when they would find a river, they would start building the settlements near them. Settlements could also move across length of river, while they were finding a better geographic spot with more easy access to the river. It's a well known phenomenon that oftentimes rivers and cities carry the same name, and it derives from the same reason like in this case of the country. Archeology suggests rivers get named first for: the voice about fertile meadows and accessible shores is what would attract travellers or people on conquest of new lands even from afar - to seek a path towards them, or permanent settlement around them. A century or two later, even if the name of the settlement could get changed (from political change or by initiative of local ruler etc), the river would almost never change its name, which is another telling argument. Now, since we know southern Slavs started populating the upper Balkans between 6th and 7th century, and after that everyone was already fully settled in, and the De Administrando Imperio was written in 10th century, it tells you that the area was populated and formed into administratively "kingdoms" relatively recent in time to that moment, so Slavic sounding local toponims were given relatively recently too. Which kind of turns this talk back to idea of search for what is a likeable area to populate when you're on the conquest for a land for your peoples. Archeology in-whole is not always based on concrete facts, but it's hypothesises have to be based on concrete facts, remnants, artifacts and healthy logic to connect all the dots that already are present. Archeology and history are also multidisciplinary and among other sciences, rely on linguistics too. I'll get back to that later too. - Anyway, this thesis just follows the proven logic of well known (and fully proven) thought-pattern that people from antique times had, and is not offensive in any way, so I don't understand your reaction. Like - why? Also, what is the thing about your "grandfather" metaphor? How should I understand that? It wasn't named after a river but after an older country? Which other and older country was called Bosna in order for Bosna to get a name Bosna? It doesn't really make sense. Back to the situation of Southern Slavs of 7th century onwards, in new areas, that they will later settle in and call home : Another variation to this phenomenon that rivers always get their name first, is that name of some river already existed in local area and southern Slavs merely accepted it, then decided to spread it in meaning to area around the river. (not necessarily southern Slavs, any population, anywhere, but right now we'll focus on us over here: )

[@AmirBeg451]

We have the best dogs in all Europe❤❤❤. Habibi come to Crkvice😂😂😂