Exploring MMOs with ZERO Players

[@Waydots]

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[@mountrixel5467]

Waydot you should try tales of toast I don’t know if it’s still on steam but it’s really cool game to look into

[@LikaLaruku]

Man, I can't believe Aero Tales is a 2022 game. Reminds me of something I played for 2 weeks in the late 00s.

[@Waydots]

Yeah, pretty surprising

[@externational7103]

@@Waydots its also playable from mobile!! im mobile player

[@laurensieh]

reminds me of Flyff (fly for fun). Maybe thats what you played in the 00's?

[@Nagalord591]

Def reminds me of dragon nest and flyff a bit ​@laurensieh

[@KJ-je9pm]

Its actually a mobile game. Thats why 😂

[@cloud5buster]

There's an Aero Tale dev somewhere who's getting 1/1000 of a cent deposited into his account every time there's an in-game transaction. He's a billionaire, now.

[@z.s.7992]

I would do a raid in this game...why dont we get a bunch of people together to play this and get a server going?

[@Jpegg22]

Which game?

[@Zmoney1215]

He's obviously talking about the War Thunder Ad. Cmon guys isn't it obvious lol. 🙃🙃 10:32

[@anthonyweston5588]

If you do a future video on it, and want some raid footage I'd be so down to help

[@Wickedous]

Villagers and heroes?

[@z.s.7992]

@@anthonyweston5588 same....same is there a discord or something we could meet up and do this?

[@Vai91272]

So happy you played Villagers And Heroes :D this game is really great despite what people say about it and it will always stay in the hearts of those who love it ❤

[@Waydots]

Thanks for the recommendation!

[@admirallove6180]

Yeah V&H is janky but I love it, honestly one of my favorite MMO experiences

[@grumpygramps]

Yeah, I used to play this and loved it. I spent hundreds of hours in this game a few years back.

[@EpicLootBox786]

I'm gonna start playing this game

[@majortom7038]

I no longer play villagers and heroes but I played it for a couple of years (I had 5 maxed characters). The zones you were in are still pretty much considered the tutorial area. You need to complete the first quest line and defeat a surprisingly and disappointingly easy boss before getting to the main city. After this the game really takes off. The zones are larger and the quest line is generally fun/funny. The dungeons are challenging and fun to play. I was contacted by my old guild leader (now a developer for v&h) and was told they just increased max level so I don’t think it’s all that dead an mmorpg. My guild had 120 in it 2 years ago.

[@2fast4dad]

I've played villagers and heroes on and off every few years and when it first came out on steam the start of the game was very different much smaller zones, but the game has come a long way and I'm glad it's still around

[@ishanroychowdhury6562]

HOLY SHIT! VILLAGERS AND HEROES!!! MY FAVORITE MMO FROM 2020!!! THANK YOU FOR COVERING IT!

[@arthurdowney2846]

Please name a character NotStrifeHayes

[@RLSova]

Why that name specifically?

[@guillermogerrycabrera7625]

​@@RLSova a reference to a channel that also focuses on mmos, josh strife hayes.

[@angrymanzrage3078]

I have been enjoying these videos. I downloaded Villagers and Heroes shortly after watching today and there were two other people on the starting area. :D

[@Guarrow]

4:35 GW2 does that, you still have to use 2 3 4 5 keys etc, but your 1 becomes left click and you can swap whenever you want with a single keybind

[@AnkhOfAscalon]

Boo gw2

[@ferixsardothien1154]

This seems like a nice video! My only request is to raise the in-game audio a bit because every time you said something about a sound in the game and went silent so we could hear it, I still could barely hear it even with max volume. Like the sword swing and Guard Maynard's voice

[@GartenschlaucHD]

I would like to see a tierlist with all mmos in this series and not just the ranking

[@Waydots]

I might do this at the end of the year.

[@Mr.NoodleHair]

The Stormwind music after you went into Summer's Hollow took me out lmao!

[@missewitcher]

I love villagers and heroes. I found it randomly a year or two ago. There’s a player base and your guild is where your house is. It’s so active that yes, if you go absent, you can loose your spot.

[@thanh320]

I'm addicted to these type of videos. Thank you

[@admirallove6180]

In V&H, you know that theater in the main city? The mods would sometimes hold slam poetry events in there and give out cash shop items. That game had a really special community when I played it, not sure if it's still there but I hope so.

[@SnugglesPrime]

4:25 Guild Wars 2 is a tab target game that has an optional Action Camera toggle, but it's unbound by default and buried in the keybinds menu lol. They also don't tell you about it.

[@AngelTerri]

I’m playing Eldevin right now! Started 3 days ago and already hooked.

[@eineKnallerbse]

Are you still playing it?

[@Lycanthroat1978]

I played it years ago. It was pretty good. I don't even remember why I stopped. Probably just found something else to do. I had some pretty cool skins and gear.

[@ThePsychoghost]

Yea those players are merchants.. Some games don't need players to be merchants, they have a merchant mode where their character stays in place and collects the gold for you

[@jeffreyraia]

You said that "Villagers and Heroes" wasn't on Steam, but actually it is there. That's where I used to play it.

[@peadrianlastname]

If youve never checked out mabinogi you definitely should, its been around since 2006 and has never been popular in the west but has amazing character customization, THOUSANDS of hours of content even if about half of it is obsolete now, a class system that lets you use every skill in the game at any time with bonuses to certain skills, multiple pet systems, an upcoming update to take it from 2006 graphics to unreal engine 5, and a small but dedicated active community

[@RossWasTaken]

The Phantasy Star Online private server 'Sylverant' for the dreamcast is basically always

[@korone-doggo8455]

Holy shit it has,anime adaptation

[@ranggafernando4757]

They once have a gacha game too but the story is very different.​@@korone-doggo8455

[@Big-Al227]

I've been looking for more Turn-based mmos to cover so a huge thank you for finding Heroes of Dire! I would love to get some people and cover the game and see what the content is like with some numbers. Let me know if this is something anyone is down for, seems like a lot of chaotic fun. Solid video like always!

[@lacuevadexavier]

Could you recommend me some others turn based mmos?

[@Big-Al227]

@@lacuevadexavier I havent found any really good one so far. Other than Wizard 101 which isnt for everyone. There is the Dofus and Wakfu series but they also arent for everyone. Atlantica Online is a fairly old one that didnt age well at all

[@thebatking11]

@@Big-Al227 Is Dofus as good as Wakfu?

[@stevenhofman633]

​@@thebatking11Dofus is way better and more popular than Wakfu. Additionally, on the 3th of december Dofus is launching a new version with new servers etc. Big quality of life update, so if you were ever looking to get into it now is the chance.

[@nasranax]

I don’t know if you added the music or not, but on the character creation screen at 12:40 that’s WoW tavern music.

[@nasranax]

Ok nevermind I watched some more.. there was no point in typing that comment lol

[@m.b44]

Lol, but ur right tho the music is good ​@@nasranax

[@Truxzord]

It would be really cool to see a video in the future about all the ones that you enjoyed playing!

[@Haggisdog]

Hereoes and Villagers looks pretty good. It might be worth trying out.

[@Jago-Shogun]

There's peace in this type of solitude.

[@grbrrrrr]

I remember playing Villagers and Heroes in my mobile device. I was able to create a character that looked like Shrek and was able to ride a dragon. Hilarious

[@Lalyyee]

Please try Secret World Legends, I was pleasantly surprised! Btw love your content and always excited to discover these games with you

[@BreandanOCiarrai]

Despite being abandoned by FunCom while they focus on Conan Exiles, there's still a small but dedicated player base of RPers in SWL. I still pop back and play now and then, and got my daughter interested in it. Free to play helps :D

[@jedimaster_abby]

SWL has an amazing storyline. I wish they hadn’t replaced TSW’s mechanics.

[@Joker-.]

please try eden eternal. thats some childhood mmo

[@An.Unsought.Thought]

4:48 And thats exactly what Throne and Liberty did too recently. They let you switch between classic tab target and action combat.

[@hathus5536]

While not completely dead, the player base is dwindling and the game I've logged the most hours in is Rift Online. Another one I haven't checked in a long time that was dying when I last checked was Fiesta Online

[@premieress2623]

The prices in Aero look to be how many AC, you even popped up a "buy AC" window during this vid that showed actual dollars spent. For example you would need to buy the 25000AC which costs $14.99 to be able to buy an outfit that costs 14,999 AC. The ruby icon after the item price indicates that it costs AC and not dollars.

[@vannthybun2546]

I tried villagers and heroes way back on my phone and I found it charming but didn’t enjoy playing a wow style game on my phone.. I had no idea there was a PC client ☺️ I’d give it another try!

[@grumpygramps]

Oh wow, I can’t believe Heroes of Dire is here. I played the developers first game The Infinite Black and it’s very very very specialist. There’s a hardcore of about 100 players worldwide that play that game. It’s a game I’ve played for 10-15 years. But HoD was another game they created, from a 1-2 man dev team. It just never took off. They did a kick starter type startup so many players put in £ to get gold so that’s how there are so many guilds. :P

[@xDannyboo]

I loved Villager's and Heroes before it was rebranded so and was actually still called A Mystical Land. It was really quite unique and had a large player base. I don't know where the original game failed but when they tried to go mobile with Villager's and Heroes, it kinda just died. I get really nostalgic about this game but it's really, and I mean REALLY, different than it used to be. I don't recognise it anymore... such a sad experience

[@yourguysheppy]

Your MMO videos have filled the void of a certain British MMO youtuber who has decided to become a generic video essayist. Good shit man keep it up

[@hardxkor6561]

Villagers and Heroes is honestly one of my favorite games to date. I still play! Choose US3 server.

[@zlauren]

I'm still stuck with the title " "ZERO" players" yet the games you showed had still players playing it

[@othergeorgea]

Right

[@jasonmcquinn6601]

Great video. I barely remember playing The matrix Online and all I really remember is that is was glitchy and full of issues. A few dead MMO's you may want to review that are now fan made are Earth & Beyond and Star Wars Galaxies. Both have been running for approx 10-15 years now as fan run games and they work well but don't always have a ton of folks playing them.

[@lmSheep]

I did NOT expect to see Florensia on this list LOL OMG That was the first I ever truly got into. It was my gateway into "real" gaming, been a gamer for 10+ years since then. So nostalgic!!

[@PureRandomPower]

Such a fun video idea! I'd love to see you check out Florensia. It's even in the short intro sequence though i can't find any videos in which you play it!

[@timiniho]

Not sure if Perfect World Online or Shaiya are still up but you could try those. Mostly recommending for a nostalgia kick, haven''t played them in ~15 years.

[@startledhamster]

Heroes of Dire seems like it was heavily inspired by Heroes of Might and Magic. Out of all games from this video, this one was the only one that seemed promising

[@dernera]

You can try ni no kuni cross worlds if u'll have some time. Very surprised global servers is still alive, so it will not fit in this particular video theme, but it will perfectly fit in something like "cringe online RPG that aggressively want you to spend money innit". It is a mobile game originally, but it has a pc client and most ppl playing it on both mobile and pc because it's hard to do pvp, raids, field bosses etc with uncomfortable mobile controls (but dailies and events is okay).

[@nullx2368]

We are building an MMO, It's very likely it will end up in your videos :D To get players to keep playing is so hard, but our crazy dreams keeps us developing games!

[@TheFlyingslug]

"We need to kill some bouncing pairs." I'M SORRY YOU'RE KILLING -- oh, *pears.*

[@CarrRomeo]

Its funny cause I grinded aero tales for awhile, and its actually kinda fun tbh. Especially if you like super simple mmos

[@DJrock1470]

Twelve sky 2 and last chaos were among my favorites back in the day along with others i no longer remember.

[@Aseth2802]

Nice project man, going through dead game always hit nostalgia and create more question than we had in the beginning at the same time. Great narrative, I wish you success in your youtube journey!

[@Waydots]

Thanks man :)

[@MasterTeeee]

The Eldvin quest giver is great. "Please, get my stuff for me, it's been stolen!" Then... "Thank you so much!... Oh, can you get my wife too? No bother if you're busy." Priorities.

[@LikaLaruku]

Eldevin is making me nostalgic for Neverwinter Nights (2002). That alone makes me want to try it.

[@dahelmang]

I played Villagers and Heroes for a bit. I still remember the name of the quest "malicious miscreant" which is what I call my kids almost every day. The faces of the animals weirded me out though.

[@gordazila]

I recommend you try Tibia, a MMO RPG released in 1997 and still running nowadays, super fun give it a try

[@ChayimOlam]

Heroes of dire had a dedicated playerbase for a while but the devs moved on from this project to another game called infinite black or void or something and eventually people just trickled out of the game. Also it is a game that has open world pvp with a reincarnation system for power so as a group gets alot of power they dominate and push others out of the game.

[@theoriginaljohn]

i am an eldevin veteran with two characters, full DPS Ranger and a HealTank (Tank world bosses while healing myself and my team. i am happy eldevin shows on reviews these days, the stories are great, the gathering is fun, the crafting, the cooking, etc...too bad eldevin is empty now

[@XaFFaX]

0:58 "The trailer looks half interesting" LMAO xD

[@distortedquantity4669]

these type of abandoned MMOs reminded me of a particular MMO i and lots of other players used to love playing, AVABEL online, it was such an incredible game of its time with lots of unique and unorthodox classes as well as a SAO like map where it's floor based, there are no fixed objectives where you'd need to go to a quest hall to actually pick up a quest and there are seasonal or weekly world bosses where multiple players need to come together in order to defeat, it was a fun time, the lower levels such as floor 1, you'd see noobs trying to grind and top tier veteran players flexing around with their god level gears. well all things must come to an end, the game became linear where there is no more quest hall and you have a fixed objectives and an annoying marker that will not go away, and just last year i tried revisiting AVABEL online and the once Floor 1 bustling with life and player activity is now a quiet dead map, no more players just mobs

[@jacobdudzik1307]

The heroes of dire song is "El dorado" By thomas bergersen/Two steps from hell. That took me back because I used to listen to their albums in Highscool.

[@Waydots]

Nice! Might have to look them up.

[@WasiqWiqar]

The action camera combat / classic system is actually a feature in a lot of MMOs, Guild Wars 2 is the most popular one with that 'instant switching'

[@levominhtam7300]

hahaa the dungeon comes to you, love this series

[@VerucaKatt]

I have another game for you, "Boundless", although it may still be too "alive" for this series with about 50 active players.

[@jessicagoddard8994]

I played Eldevin a lot a very long time ago. It used to be very popular. The eldevin city used to be full of people but seeing it now is actually really sad. Its a very enjoyable game. Please play more!

[@Azeveco]

You never played Guild Wars 2? You can change to action mode too, you just need to bind the key to toggle it. Btw, Villager & Heroes wasn’t a mobile first game. The PC version was released first.

[@NotLondonx]

He’s talking about games that are not doing good at all I assume, GW2 is on fire lol

[@collinpowers3475]

Here are two of my favourite mmos... Pristin Tale and Asheron's Call

[@PsychopathJunkrat]

I feel like Aeon Tales "playerbase" is probably mainly compromised of game devs having accounts and being simply logged in at the starter town and possibly nearby towns to make players think there's a lively audience, keeping them drawn for longer than they should be.

[@timiniho]

Lol I remember testing so many different MMORPGs in the late 00s and early 10s, all were just cheap WoW copies at the end of the day. Can't remember one exception. You had to go to MMORPGs released before WoW to get something different.

[@edwarddell4568]

I played Heroes of Dire and it was a lot of fun with the pvp and guild halls but the problem was the combat a big fight could take an hour+ and I think I just simply got bored and stopped playing. You could even claim parts of the map for your guild it was very complicated game with a lot going on. Another game to look at similar to this would be STASH if you haven't already looked into that one.

[@FredGoldust]

Honestly this is probably the only way I could enjoy a MMO

[@georgvai98]

GW2 can do the tab target-action camera switch

[@Vekuyo]

Villagers and Heroes looks way too passably good. Ill go years without thinking of WoW then see or hear something that makes me feel like an addict again. Those clips combined with the music got me craving collecting candles from kobolds again.

[@xclny]

Excellent, subscribed

[@erxer1]

I used to play villagers and heroes when it was still pretty new. The reason it usually doesn't feel like a mobile game is because it was ported to mobile well after they originally launched it. It did however have a browser version if I'm not mistaken but they had to abandon that because newer versions of the engine didn't support that.

[@nidohime6233]

8:40 I don't think there are actually losing pennies. In many non english speaking countries when they want to write a number in the thousands they use a dot rather than a comma. For example if you go to Italy and you see a car priced at eight thousand euros it wouldn't be writen as "8,000 euros", they would write it as "8.000 euros", otherwise it would be read as "8 euros". Something to keep track when buying stuff in foreign countries. It seems most MMOs here died out from losing popularity or the too many bots add on, like it seems is happening on Aero Tales and Heroes of Dire. Villagers and Heroes seems to be the best of this video so far.

[@MordecaiSPM]

Aero Tale is all over the place lol They can't decide what style they want and just mix everything up.

[@randomdutchguyy]

Please try Grand Fantasia, I have played it for 6 years since 2008. You should get the version that’s not on steam as that one is a remade version from the company above the maker. ( or do if too hard)

[@KraXoom]

I remember when FlyFF was first released. It was filled to the brim with people. Could barely get into servers and they increase the amount of them because so many players were online. I downloaded it about 3 years ago maybe after not playing in over a decade when I found League of Legends and the game is a ghost town now except for the bot player shops. It’s sad to see games die like this. It’s almost eerie and haunting.

[@thebatking11]

FlyFF Universe browser MMO is the newish way more p2w remake

[@xino-0826]

Guildwars did the action combat keybind first, can go from more targeting style, or a crosshair action type.

[@jedimaster_abby]

If you haven’t played it yet, I recommend Fallen Earth.

[@pieru]

heroes of dire has that wakfu feeling with the tile-based strategic combat

[@nichooooo2748]

Aero Tale - wouldn't the 14.999 possibly be the switch of period to comma, as is done around the world? does 14,999 make more sense

[@Raneboh]

@Waydots For Aero World the shop wasn't using direct pricing. The prices were in gems. It used decimals instead of commas. So 14.999 is 14,999. This is common outside the US.

[@Waydots]

Gotcha, my bad!

[@Faded_Muffinz]

This sounds dumb but if u look at the old school runescape grand exchange scene in the beginning 0:13 of the video i see my character cooking lobsters haha thats totally me with the rune armour and golden chefs hat bottom left of counter hahahahahahah i thought my boots hat and cape were swagged out

[@ThatMassiveLegnd]

😂😂😂

[@mrshmeep9314]

Hahaha nice

[@concretel10n]

Where else are you gunna stand and spam "selling cooked lobby"?

[@Faded_Muffinz]

@@concretel10n i cooked lobster for so long, i flipped them untill i was able to buy the gold chefs hat. Literally came from lobsters🤣

[@4Redwall]

Yes please do a review of Villagers and Heroes!

[@namelessvermillion8188]

16:37 Stormwind music 💀 got me for some reason 😂

[@Mehetabelable]

I played villagers and heroes in 2011-2013. Yes, it was big once upon a time because of the home and farming options

[@Waydots]

Still seems pretty awesome, im going to delve deeper into it soon

[@CianaCorto]

I can't believe we now have Josh Strife Hayes at home, at home!

[@x-0ticx281]

amazing content as always Waydot

[@ryuno2097]

I remember being so interested with Eldevin back in early 2008/09/10 ( can't remember the exact date) when they announced they were doing an mmorpg. I think as the years went by I kinda forgot about the game. Still i looks neat, maybe I would've played the game back in 2014.

[@ChristophH96]

Aero tales has lots of features throne and liberty has 😅 the combat switching, the flying guide, 4 Stats, and lots of Buttons

[@poliwharaslah965]

Actually heroes of dire turn based style is like final fantasy tactic.. and disgaea.. its fun..

[@dranziken]

4:32 GW2 lets you do this. There's a toggle you can assign to a hotkey to go into action camera

[@TheBlackdoom91]

Waydot play and do a review on Final fantasy 11 online!

[@honordevs]

Runes of Magic is a great diamond in the rough. I'm not sure if you're tried that, but they have the BEST Guild vs. Guild system in any MMO and also the build Guild system in-general. It is P2W, but it used to be a bit better back in the day. I lead the largest guild on my server when I was younger. I also loved the open/free PvP. Unfortunately, many of these things require more players, but eh. I still wanted to give props to the game.

[@LikaLaruku]

I didn't get really far in the game, because the graphics card i had at the time couldn't handle certain areas with large amounts of players running around, but I have some good memories of some of the quests & landscapes.

[@αυαυυι-π6μ]

you should check out Aion, the nostalgia is real

[@LikaLaruku]

Never played WoW myself. Not only was it prohibitively expensive, but I did not care at all for the aesthetics. My early 2010s F2P WoW Clone of choice was RIFT. Goddamn that game was pretty. Must have taken 10,000 screencaps of it. Played it a few years ago & it was a ghost town. I just had to see the beautifully spooky land of Morban again. Anyway, like I said, it's a ghost town. You're soloing raids more often than not, & the low player base completely nurfed the giant world invasions. Check it out some time.

[@MrDarkauraftw]

Rift! I was in the exact same boat as you. Those 5 fps rounds of conquest were pure chaos and I loved it.

[@breannaskipper529]

Yess I’m so excited for a new video!! U have really brightened up my day and become my favorite KZbinr! 🩷🩷

[@Waydots]

Hey thanks thats really kind’ :)

[@iGoLDy_]

8:10 um that isnt 14.999, it is 15k gems or whatever that currency is, and that currency you buy with real money, so I don't know what the heck you are talking about..

[@AnkhOfAscalon]

I better not see guildwars 1 on this list ever 😅