Exploring Dead & Abandoned MMOs

[@Waydots]

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[@AizenBG420]

try any MU game

[@AngeldustLive]

Thanks for reviewing Angeldust! I had a blast laughing at your commentary. Seems like there's a bit of room for me to improve the game. Overall I really enjoyed your take on things, and I like that Assistana looked like a really helpful feature here :D

[@voir-dire]

@angeldustlive Some of your chatters were rude but I think you have good vibes. I'll probably try out the game but hopefully some of your chatters like obi need to chill out

[@gastonkatanya6965]

​​@@voir-dire hey there Im usually on the Angeldust Livestream too! dont worry not all the community members yap like him 😭🤣🙏🏻 his just an angy boy PS. would love to play

[@AngeldustLive]

@@voir-dire Haha, you are the spiciest memelord I've ever met! :D

[@Waydots]

@@AngeldustLive Hey that’s awesome! I obviously only spent about an hour playing Angeldust, but in this series I have come across some extremely peculiar games, many times they can be a bit boring or unfinished, but at least Angeldust stood out as quite unique and I think with some continued efforts you might be on to something! Godspeed! Maybe ill check in on the game at a later date when some more updates have happened :) Thanks for checking out my video!

[@AngeldustLive]

@@Waydots Thanks for the kind words! I'm still super happy to have my game featured in your video. Hope to see you with a super amazing Angeldust 4K HD remaster in the future 🙂 Best of wishes on your content production career and have a good weekend!

[@alexisvulfiaawenfern8112]

I liked Trimurti, then something happened. A random guy gave me a bunch of gold. I assumed it was the goodwill of a more experienced player, it was not. Turns out the gold was cheated in. I spent some of it on expanding my inventory space and some of it on upgrade materials for my weapon on my monk. Devs deleted all of my items on every character I had and from my bank and reversed all of my inventory expansions. They even took away the items you get when you make a character. They were so incompetent in dealing with the situation that my monk even got softlocked because I was on the second map with no gear or money and it takes a bit of money to teleport back to the lower level map where I could have possibly built my character back up if I had the motivation for it for some eldritch reason. The devs ruined the game for me.

[@anony-moon]

that's some scummy crap

[@KAI3Kuroseiga]

people often complain about companies like blizzard, but there's a multitude of reasons no one has caught up to them, and it's because of stuff like this i think

[@alexisvulfiaawenfern8112]

@@KAI3Kuroseiga That's just how the god forsaken capitalist economy works. Once a company becomes big it stays big and then the shareholders (who know nothing about games or how to make them or even that it takes effort for games to be made) come with their delusions of infinite growth and make games and the conditions of workers worse. Activision Blizzard deserves all the shit it gets and more. There's a lot of crunch and a lot of random layoffs (to make the imaginary line appear to go up), it pays 30% of the industry standard for devs and the like and there's a very weird culture there with things like "someone's breast milk got stolen" and "the CEO harassed someone into suicide" and general frat boy moments.

[@alexisvulfiaawenfern8112]

@@KAI3Kuroseiga That's just how the god forsaken capitalist economy works. Once a company becomes big it stays big and then the shareholders (who know nothing about games or how to make them or even that it takes effort for games to be made) come with their delusions of infinite growth and make games and the conditions of workers worse. Activision Blizzard deserves all the complaints it gets and more. There's a lot of crunch and a lot of random layoffs (to make the imaginary line appear to go up), it pays 30% of the industry standard for devs and the like and there's a very weird culture there with things like "someone's breast milk got stolen" and "the CEO harassed someone into becoming dead" and general frat boy moments.

[@alexisvulfiaawenfern8112]

@@KAI3Kuroseiga KZbin seems to made my previous response disappear. If you want to know why Blizzard and many other game companies are that bad I can recommend this channel: www.youtube.com/@JimSterling

[@damightyshabba439]

The annoying thing about dead MMO's is all they have to do is add Bots to make up the game play. When you see a static / dead MMO it's heartbreaking - so much work went into creating the thing, why not just make it a workable single player? I used to do online tutorials in BF1942, and it could be hours before a "real" player came along - I was perfectly happy finding ever more weird ways of killing the bots. Especially now with reasonably clever AI - a lot of these old titles could easily come back to life. You could Single Player an old MMO with decent AI. Not a sentence I thought I'd ever type but....

[@Fukkatsu-ux7gj]

I remember Salem from maybe a decade or so ago when there was ~30 concurrent players at a time. I played about long enough to start being able to hunt deer. The issue with the game though was there was a farming exploit that made some older players have huge stats that got patched out so newer players didn't really have hope to catch up. I remember one player in particular that let several people attack them simultaneously and the attackers ran out of yellow bile (can't attack anymore) before the defender ran out of health. As far as permadeath it probably wasn't common. You could die to animals or players and still respawn. IIRC for a permadeath to happen the player that kills you had to perform a ritual over your dead body.

[@Xazamas]

Salem actually had a fresh server launch recently. The current developer seemed to have put in some real effort into revitalizing the game, but unfortunately it fell rather flat. Some factors were outside the developer's control (owner of the game's Wiki was AWOL, while there were people with admin/maintenance access they didn't want to revamp the Wiki without permission, so new and returning players were left with massive out-off-date Wiki for a game where you really need one) there were also some instances of less-than-optimal planning and/or knee-jerk reactions. While the criminal system had already been nerfed a bit, the ability to put other players into "stocks" at the NPC town was still so powerful that the PvP meta became about "don't attack the enemy, try to force them to attack you so you can collect their crime scent."

[@Fukkatsu-ux7gj]

Neat. Yeah I imagine the game has changed a lot since I last played. Shame about the wiki though. The obvious solution would be to start a new wiki but I imagine with an already small playerbase it's probably tricky to find a new owner (not sure if they'd have to pay domain hosting costs or whatever). Considering my experience with the patched farming exploit any knee-jerk reactions wouldn't really surprise me.

[@quilnux]

The problem, in my opinion, with the MMO model is that it never matured from it's early roots during the late 90's early 2000's. In fact, it regressed a bunch. MMO's had a lot more detail and complexity that you just don't see today. The MMO model has also become stale since it did not progress to a modern model like other non-MMO's did. In fact, you can find MUD servers which are very niche today that have higher modernized gaming models then current MMO's. So It doesn't surprise me that so many MMO's failed that released less then a decade ago.

[@Tormekia]

(Sighs in Old Fogie) I remember mIRC muds. Ah the good old days. I got temp banned for 8 hours so I would go to sleep heh. (You have been BANNED. Duration: 8 hours. GO THE FUCK TO BED).

[@G.H.O.S.T.254]

Starwars: Galaxies is probably one of the greatest and well beyond its time. More RPG MMO. Guilds that became entire cities, players playing politician leaders, and an endless cascade of trades and professionals of immense renown. It really was a Sandpit game in every conceivable way. It was just built when computers couldnt keep up with the demand of the game at the time.

[@firvulag]

It was the only mmo where craft/trade skills were actually fun. I miss it too. Even though I never really appreciated it while it was live.

[@G.H.O.S.T.254]

@@firvulag The flying though, that was truly something. The sheer staggering size and expansive of outer space around each planet. If it wasnt for the map hud, you could actually get lost out there in the black and struggle to get back.

[@G.H.O.S.T.254]

@@firvulag you can still play it for free. There is a group that has a live server and are attempting to fully restore the game to its peak.

[@firvulag]

@@G.H.O.S.T.254 Hmm I'll believe it when I see it. 😜

[@G.H.O.S.T.254]

@@firvulag look it up then, Starwars: Galaxies restoration. I have it myself but I don't play it much at the moment.

[@Gryz34]

I really love seeing you play old MMOs i played over 140 of them I played a ton . and i continue to play... I documented what i played and a good 70+ have been in graveyard . keep the videos coming !

[@iAmHexed]

Waydot - My girlfriend and I recently found your videos and absolutely love your content, and hard work you put into your reviews & Dead MMO's. I've played some and recognized plenty from the list. You're commentary is so soothing & relaxing which is so welcoming after having a rough couple months. Please keep up your hard work!

[@Waydots]

Thanks so much for the comment :) glad you guys have been enjoying the videos!

[@antoniarachita1190]

When you were reviewing the first part of salem i was laughing with tears. Your commentary is amazing i love this series so much!!!!!

[@svartaqueen]

Trimurti is nearly identical to an older MMO from 2017 called Tantra Online. It's likely a remake done by a different studio.

[@tifalara4463]

yup its like tantra..

[@hoplet1332]

yes it is tantra online.

[@Moehre01]

Tantra is not from 2017... Rather 2007 if not older.

[@BlackHayateMX]

I played the HECK out of Tantra online XD Such a fun game, though back then it was extremely graphically demanding and it had a massive community, private servers, etc

[@RevHancock]

26:22 ah yes, the swordsman's strongest weapon, the spear

[@AngelicKnight-d1p]

Lol

[@Zinchorse]

It baffles me that this channel doesn't have more suscribers or views. Incredible editing, good narrative, good concepts. You're gonna do great mate!

[@Waydots]

Thanks so much for the kind words man :)

[@maybayV2]

The content is niche, itll get there though, just takes a bit of time.

[@Boss-zo4lw]

Because hes copying Rye Games

[@PartyhatRS]

@@Boss-zo4lw Copying? Lol what

[@mickm6309]

I tried Trimurti once before and liked it, my only gripe was there is virtually no explanation from the developers on what to in game. I think people are trying the game and just thinking "I'm stuck here" and then just giving up because the game doesn't explain anything and the Steam community which is usually full of advice and guides is dead. I spent ages trying to find a mob when I first tried it but couldn't find the mob, I asked on Steam but no help there. I eventually got the answer from the discord channel, but I am sure there are a lot of people not using discord who just think, why would I bother continuing.

[@mickm6309]

I think now I will skip this game, hopefully they can make some decent improvements. Constant dying because spells don't hit or they just don't register, target running at you and you are either clicking on your spell or pressing the hotkey, but all that is working is the basic attack that constantly misses. HP and TP regeneration is virtually non-existent and even drinking a health potion doesn't save you.

[@LaughingKookaburra]

Video Title: Exploring Dead and Abandoned MMOs MUDs: Pfft! Amateurs

[@KrazyK78]

My very first MMO was in 98 called The Realm. 26 years later it's still up, but few people play. My second was Dark Age of Camelot. Early 2000s. Still there but totally vacant of players.

[@sadmiqoxiv]

I still go back to Tibia every now and then. The game looks so bland and simple on the surface, when in reality it is crazy how intricate it gets. Its a true MMO, someday i hope they develop a true 3D version of it, because there is nothing else like it.

[@danielnyland4306]

Tibia has 13k simultaneous players, so, not dead at all

[@sorinfayte5]

OMG imagine literally playing Salem when he starts playing Salem. wow. I got chills

[@DesertRat88]

it's like your computer is tracking what you do!!!! OMG!!

[@brutusmaximumus]

I have some weird nightmare that as you travel across one of these abandoned MMOs, you suddenly encounter another player, one who has waited here for years, for you to show up. "I've been waiting here for you!" lol

[@Sogmabolz]

Funny, i just watched the previous video on this and when i saw this one i was so confused, like " i just watched this and it was from 5 months ago with 300k views, why is it suddenly no views released 4 minutes ago" lol

[@NotNanachi]

dude I just thought the exact same thing what the hell lmao

[@Thelos90]

probably reupload bc of issues

[@Waydots]

@@Thelos90nope. Its just a series ive been doing, you can find the other videos in the playlist. KZbin seems to struggle connecting them for some reason

[@jollybee5220]

@@Waydots you should put a number at the end of title so we know how many videos are there and which video is this

[@Obscur888]

A lot of those mmos concepts would made great solo game

[@1eviledy]

Angel Dust or PCP is a disassociate drug originally marketed as a sedative for surgery. It was ill suited for this type of use, as while the person seemingly feels no pain they are very active physically.

[@TheRealUseroid]

Karos looks like a Shaiya clone, but Shaiya was a Rappelz epic 3 clone. There were a lot of Rappelz clones back then. Rappelz is still up, but there's only a handfull of player in it, and all are in hidden village.

[@moogleking]

These are some really obscure mmorpgs i haven't heard of

[@ishanroychowdhury6562]

Will you consider doing Villagers and Heroes? An old indie mmorpg over a decade old, it still gets regular updates and isn't dead but id love to see you try it out Love your vids!

[@TumultuousM]

what a great series a this has been. so much fun

[@BobBilly-gq8xy]

I remember Salam lol I thought it shutdown that's wild it's still around

[@iPuzzlePirate]

I'm sad that bots destroyed Puzzle Pirates, I loved that little MMO.

[@retroB]

You need to try Haven & Hearth out for sure

[@mariawhite7337]

If he can actually get it running. At this point the devs have jumped ship and its the players that run it.

[@pjnorthbay]

Salem I believe was kickstarter it was featured on Massively OP back when it was announced.

[@khallrik]

so these MMOs are simulating post-apocalyptic environments, just without the walkers/infected...

[@hejckexnekeifj2738]

love this series sm

[@cheezmeeofficial]

I loved the Silkroad Online, but now, you can’t find any active servers.

[@StygianVoid]

Good as always

[@ragerave7517]

Stash is enjoyable but it’s sadly one of those games where you need either a few more people or a good chunk of change to unlock all the professions since you can only get 1 profession.

[@lilithine]

You truly deserve more subs. Your videos are so well done 😭

[@DanteSparda66VI]

This Trimurti game original name was tantra online, ive played from 2001 to 2013 until the final official server shutdown. The quest system is really boring for today standards but pvp its where it shines. But you need to get at least level 30 to start PvP. When WoW was the MMO, this was one of f2p alternatives we had. The game was great.

[@MegaReinart]

hey i watched your introductionary video about guild wars 2 when you first launched and it made me wonder, after seeing it again on my feed today, if you ever became hopelessly addicted to it? ive now relentlessly played it for past 6 months and clocking in almost 900 hours

[@OneofInfinity.]

Never played a dead MMO, I did play MMO's that died overtime, I still miss two from time to time : Warhammer online and Pirates of the burning sea. I get my fix in GW and gw2 now a day.

[@rinishan]

Using a horse as a mob in a medieval rpg is like, idk, using Lamborghinis as mobs in GTA. That's an expensive steed now slaughtered 😅

[@KethIvania]

Please continue this content series, this is interesting

[@andrewsegers7942]

The Infinite Black on mobile is an interesting one. Used to be a huge player base with multiple servers. Terrible moderation and management of the game brought it down in recent years. Maybe only 50 dedicated people still play.

[@Ernoskij]

I played Salem in it's haydays, and what you say about the despair of being killed by someone when you had build a lot of skill is correct. There was a group of russian griefers just running around killing people, just because, and it took a dedicated group of players mostly of 5 months to track them down and kill them enough times that they left the game for good. I was a backup to the group of hunters, helping them generate the food and things they needed to raise their skills, so they would be stronger than the russians. We had a city of 25 active players, filling a rather large plot of land. The thing si that if you don't pay the upkeep on your land, you lose the right to it, and slowly all your stuff will start to deteriorate. That is why you came across nothing on your travels, everything that has been has deteriorated over time. There were also 3 servers at the height of the game, but because the developers was redoing something major in the code, they had to reset the servers completely (this was all in the beta days of the game), 2/3 of the playerbase left as they lost everything they had and had to start over, and that killed the game.

[@rainoceans9227]

love this series! also try wurm online :DD

[@shunilooni4809]

Yessss✨I’ve been waiting for you to make another one of these love it so much. Great video🙌

[@SentimentalerHund]

I love these kind of video see me as a new subscriber cant wait for more and imma watch your old ones too thanks man

[@Zivuzx]

Karos actually looked like a good game out of all the other games.

[@niccosalonga9009]

One of these days, I think it would be fun to bring some friends along to try and explore a dead MMO together.

[@NathansWargames]

I used to play Rappelz like 15 years ago, it was a fun game but the devs sold out and sold the game to different publishers more than a few times and it killed it. I think at one point it had over 20 servers world wide and about 20,000 players

[@williamblaney3316]

I miss Acherons call2. I was part of the beta team and was still there when they pulled the plug. There were still 100s of thousands of players but bethesda sold out.

[@MrChristophSteininge]

Thank you, todays episode made me laugh out loudly severeal times! Keep up the good work.

[@PizzaReadsPoetry]

you should try 4Story next

[@JulianYaber]

played Karos a lot in the old days , its not dead , more or less a lot of ppl still plays , but in private servers mostly , it has a lot of good mechanics , pretty good game yea

[@rysenxyz5579]

You should try dragon nest, it's not dead on the SEA server but i don't know how is it on the outside of SEA

[@MittensOnly]

You may have spoken about it, but I recommend Animyst Very bizarre multiplayer game, fits the parameters

[@ngjoko]

trimurty seems like a brighter version of tantra

[@fakiirification]

i saw Rappelz on the list in the intro and felt a pang of sadness. I once ran a massive guild on that game. owned dungeons, etc. good times man. good times.

[@Waydots]

Really? tis the age old story of a lot of these games to be honest

[@tylerrhyne1257]

lol that game was the gateway to my computer gaming played it in 4th grade now only private severs

[@TheRealUseroid]

Rappelz was the best. I was in Arcadia guild

[@farpointgamingdirect]

My favorite MMO was Dungeon Runners. Unfortunately, the servers were shut down

[@michaeljohnston73]

It doesn't exist anymore except in emulator form but I miss EQOA an old PS2 game.

[@jameswarner5878]

Fantastic game.

[@paradoxic1888]

Next maybe do a vid on abandonware. Planet Explorers comes to mind.

[@wolfhors3_660]

Probably weren't supposed to kill the horses, duh.😂😂😂

[@QuickSaveF5]

Stash actually looks like it would have been very cool and have a little charm if it was playable

[@Waydots]

Yeah definitely’ would love to see a modern take on it.

[@jamesspinner7764]

The thumbnail made me think of Roma Victor and I forgot that game existed back in 2009!

[@klauzklauzenberg5249]

there was this cool mobile MMORPG i used to play, Durango Wild Lands. the server shut down but it was the most interesting gameplay element i enjoyed, from the classes to the crafting.. the mobs where you get resources from are dinosaurs, (wish it was monsters instead) but it was ok.. its sad that no other game ever got inspired from it.

[@Cola2013_1]

They are websites, you know 😅

[@klauzklauzenberg5249]

@@Cola2013_1 they who? who are websites?

[@infinite8soul]

You should checkout runes of magic, not sure if it's still being played or not

[@MrFatPay]

I notice you don't cover Ultima. I literally multi cliented and made billions uncontested on production servers.

[@nohuman2396]

You could review Pax Dei in the "Dead & Abandoned MMOs" format again now :P It went from over 10.000 to 200-500 players since release :P

[@dracocellion2691]

Love the Video, If your at all interested in a game like Salem you should check out "Haven and Hearth". It's made by Salems original developers and is much more updated, its still very brutal and convoluted but its extremely rewarding. It's also much more active at peak times, with more then 1000 concurrent players at the start of the most recent world.

[@moja-s9w]

Try the original Ragnarok Online! though this might be more 'alive' than the others you've played. The vast majority of players are bots.. There are official eu/sea servers, although any player will tell you to play a private server as it's more true to the original mechanics, quests, etc.

[@jamoore2581]

Waythot was great man!

[@Niaroth]

I love how youtube has marked this as a town of salem video (its also probably why it ended up on my homepage)

[@mharcsa]

I have played the Salem for a few weeks :D :D :D hell of a game ;)

[@TaliZVasTyria]

Awesome! Best loot ever! Awesome! Best loot ever! Awesome! Best loot ever! Awesome! Best loot ever! I can literally hear the annoying ranger behind you talking. She sounds....really loud. Glad you kept your sanity

[@Waydots]

What makes you think I kept any semblance of sanity? 😂

[@coral4406]

Tbh there are plenty of dead godly and amazing mmos that are 100x better than popular mmos today like dark age of Camelot

[@SgtParson]

Have you ever did a video over Warframe its a pretty great free mmo (i believe) several years of free content and even the premium currency can be acquired by trade weapons and other items.

[@frankd5426]

last game fonts and style is reminiscent of aion

[@Zanji1234]

the whole "hardcore survival MMO with permadeath and whatever" are kinda destinied to fail.

[@billcox8870]

And Concord which is a bit like OverWatch is shutting down 2 weeks after it went online.

[@kamuigui]

Waydot, can I leave heret wo suggestions? I love your videos, and would be nice to see your take in this two games: Warframe and Digimon Online

[@ciganisuspiny]

"next i saw a horse and just started blasting" lol

[@unnamedman666]

trimurti looks like free realms

[@SegiShin-wg7dj]

Near future Neverwinter will be part of this .

[@bunsintodreams]

Do uh... you not know what woodchips are my guy? o.o

[@rinzler9775]

The abandoned games are like abandoned malls.

[@Waydots]

Thats a great analogy actually

[@rinzler9775]

@Waydots Liminal space feel. Especially when you go back to a server that used to be a hive of action, to find its dead and abandoned.

[@matteoalberghini3816]

It's just a chatbot you can find one in any website that doesn't care about user support

[@zajiun4334]

Hi Waydot , i was wondering if you can make a video about the mmorpg Eden Eternal ? he was shut down around 2017/2018 after 7 year of service but he was 'revive'' not long ago (actualy the game was never really dead , when he shut down the communoty create ''Eden Eternal Vendetta'' who is the same game but with new update , new map, new class (all the thing who was missing in the original one and make it fall to the ground ) ect ... ) well , can you make a try ? Eden Eternal by now own by X-Legend entertainment (Take note that the X-Legend version is the Classic one with his own update, and Eden Eternal vendetta is completly different after the level 110 quest , after all i still prefer the Vendetta one x) )

[@Lalyyee]

Have you tried Secret World Legends?

[@exodus1nferno]

NOT WAYTHOT LOL

[@JermDaGnome]

guild wars 1 is still a good game imo. was so hyped for GW2 and really dont touch the game anymore after beating the base campaign and first 3 expansions. 12 years since launch its lost a lot of the appeal to me.

[@SlowMo-pt4wp]

Hey do you think you could look into a game called rangers of oblivion? It’s one of the few mobile mmorpg games that was ACTUALLY good. The fighting was pretty good the story the music the monster sound affects everything was pretty damn good. But I think something happened with the company and it shut down its servers. But I heard it still has servers in Japan and Korea. I never got to finish the story :((

[@daveo2992]

I've had my steam account for almost 15 years and I've never seen an account alert... You hacking my dude? xD XD

[@Waydots]

Lol nope, thats just from failing to make a payment on one of my many many… way too many game subscriptions lol.

[@daveo2992]

@@Waydots subscriptions, subscriptions, subscriptions, what's next a subscription to breath air...oh wait taxes... Huh the really made everything a subscription 😂😂😂 Just finished the video and subbed!

[@lutheidiotfromhell5295]

its sad that trimurti looks almost exactly like aq3d

[@silverlanswoodworking]

sadly that game is still thriving just need to find the right server

[@LordComett]

Subbed....you remember it and play it so we don't have to thanks WD :)

[@YehSame]

Trimutri is just a rip of an oldschool korean mmo called Tantra or Kathana that was insanely popular in SEA back in the early 2000s, with presumably some asset flips from a different engine and a poor attempt at porting or recreating the original character models which is probably why it feels so incredibly off

[@RobertoTorresCL]

It looks like a Game influenced by lineage2 lol

[@tehhypergamer963]

I hate gender-locked classes, they're stupid and a bit sexist. If a woman wants to be a warrior, she should be allowed to do so. Likewise, if a man wants to be idk say, a druid, he should be allowed to do so. I really don't understand why people keep incorporating gender-locked classes and just allow us to be either sex for any class and it kind of annoys me that it keeps popping up in MMOs and really any game that includes classes in general.

[@Ponkan45]

I understand what you're saying....but is it really that big of a deal?

[@tehhypergamer963]

@@Ponkan45 Depends on who you ask and whether or not the classes are at least balanced.

[@davidaward82]

wait... the matrix servers are still up? thought WB utterly killed that

[@flybeta]

Didnt know karos still existed

[@TenseiKyun]

I was expecting angeldust to be here in your series and seems im correct. Although i was kinda hurt abt the rating, it was my part of my childhood during 2017-2019, and knew alot of cool people there and i honestly enjoyed that game You haven't seen the other feature that game offers like you can actually own a land outside of the town, and you can use teleporter to teleport you to adventure with other players (basically it teleports you with people flocking around) there are a lot of cool biomes as well when you go further out of the map. The developer is also very active to the very small community of that game, doing lives and visiting players build, everytime he livestream, its like 50-40 people with him doing build reviews then afterwards adventure and kill monsters Well its been a while, idk what changes they made in the game now. The sensitivity wasnt worse when i played it when i was 13, and i had a friend there that lasted for 1 year, still now i miss him. We made builds and towns and cities together. Also i didnt even know they had 3d now, back then its just 2d so its really been a long time Sadly you've should explore more to the toolbar and used the teleporter but yeah. (Sorry if this came out like attacking you lmao, im just bitter by the rating and your point was valid so yeah, maybe im just being biased because that game was part of my childhood)

[@TheLostBear78]

Blizzard can breath slightly easier, for one more week anyway...