Exploring the Details of an E.M.2 with Jonathan Ferguson

[@TrevWings]

This is a legendary crossover that not nearly enough people have seen

[@latewizard301]

The crossover i never knew happened...

[@pkt1213]

I just picture when the US came back 10 years later with the .223 and all the developers for them EM2 were like, "Seriously mates? WTF?"

[@117johnpar]

You can feel the heavy musk of gun history knowledge weighing down the air in the room.

[@rdb8509]

I was at the Cody Firearms Museum when I saw the card put out indicating the EM2 was temporarily not available. I cursed those responsible for this inconvenience. After seeing this video I humbly ask for Gun Jesus’ forgiveness for my profane remarks.

[@CssHDmonster]

i love the smirk of jon at start of every vid

[@loupiscanis9449]

Thank you , Ian , Thank you , Jonathan .

[@ObeyCamp]

As Conspiracy Catz would say... "SPAAAACE COMMA."

[@JonathanFergusonRoyalArmouries]

You're most welcome.

[@ED-2.0.9.]

With all the "retro" and repro guns out there (SMGGUNS FG42, H&M/PTR/Sport-Systeme Dittrich STG-44, and hell, the Brownells clones of late) we *_REALLY_* need some one to start cranking these phenomenal puppys out!

[@ScottKenny1978]

Why do I feel like Jonathan has beaten his head against the wall repeatedly trying to keep the different ammunition calibers straight...

[@saint-cetacean]

You can hear the humored empathy and lingering mild trauma in his voice

[@outofrangetv2353]

E.M.2 handguard ribbed for your pleasure

[@HO-bndk]

Ribbed so the army issue knitted wool gloves of the time won't slip off it so easily.

[@Robert-qr8co]

The man is so humble. Although being propably the most knowledgeable being on planet earth considering these rifles, he just keeps himself restrained. IAN! Give him a pat on the back (as you're already doing), strengthen his claims (as you're doing), back up his findings (...). All in all - good cooperation. :D And good job, thank you, to both of you.

[@Furri1bia]

The EM2 was so advanced that even had deflector shields.

[@nigelosborne7471]

I think the only British soldier to make full use of the EM2 was Action Man.

[@JonathanFergusonRoyalArmouries]

Except for a few chaps in Malaya...

[@nigelosborne7471]

Don't spoil it I'm waiting for the book.

[@richarddixon7276]

In America they called him GI Joe , but he had to make do with the M16 .

[@johngreen-sk4yk]

You would be wrong there, I had some britains toy British soldiers equipped with em2,s when I was a kid!lol

[@nigelosborne7471]

@@johngreen-sk4yk In that case thousands of Britains troops have been armed with EM2's, I wonder if Jonathan knows..

[@layzorbeeemz7317]

I wish someone would make a replica in a common caliber. God I love the look of this rifle.

[@haroldellis9721]

So it turns out, all the Wildcaters lived in the UK during the '50s.

[@Pigness7]

hey this was before the game spot series with him, pretty neat

[@hibbelaender9581]

Hello Mr. McCallum.Sorry for my bad english. I from germany. ca.25 Years ago i visit The "Wehrtechnische Sammlung in Koblenz". In this Museum i found an very Intresting Information. It was an AIR-Power Gun-"Sturmgewehr" Prototype for the Bundeswehr. I Remember it was built from the Factorie "Mannesmann". But i am not Sure for this. I mean the Factory. OK, can your find out something to this Gun. Have an Nice Time, Alles gute und bleiben Sie Gesund.

[@stonksfromcs1224]

SGT-44 maybe?

[@vanconojl]

:O

[@hibbelaender9581]

@@stonksfromcs1224 No, not the STG 44. I mean a Air-power Prototype from the Year 1970-1980??

[@hibbelaender9581]

@@vanconojl ???

[@stonksfromcs1224]

@@hibbelaender9581 ohhh okay i see, sorry bout that

[@victuff9765]

Back around 1983 my good friend and firearms dealer Pat Walker of Pat Walker Guns owned an EM-2 rifle serial number #2 in 7.62mm built by BSA. He obtained it (and an FG-42) from the Small Arms School Corps collection at Warminster. The then curator and keeper of the weapons collection Major Maurice Fogwell 'swapped' the EM-2 & FG42 which were duplicates in the collection for two Galil rifles (in 5.56 & 7.62mm) that Pat had (we were the then UK agent for IMI smallarms). The EM-2 was missing the UNIT optical sight so I modified an early Aimpoint scope to fit the dovetail on the carry handle. The EM-2 was in great condition and shot well but with stout recoil in 7.62mm. The rubber butt pad had gone rock hard over the years so the rifle could have been more comfortable to shoot originally. Pat sold the EM-2 to a collector in North America (not sure if it was Canada or the US). I would love to know where it is now if anyone knows? I have period photographs of Pat shooting it which I can share....

[@Kav.]

There is an EM-2 without a scope in Canada marked 7mm HV. I don't know of any other, I know there might be one in a private collection in the UK but I've not confirmed it yet so I don't know if it has scope or not.

[@victuff9765]

@@Kav. I wonder what it's serial number is?

[@Kav.]

@@victuff9765 Looking at photos I can't see one where I was expecting it to be (magazine well). As for the UK one, I'll need to see it first to say for sure, I can't find anything out about it.

[@Kav.]

@@victuff9765 If you post the photos I can compare the two to see if it's the same type of EM-2. Although iirc the 7.62 and 7mm HV ones are quite similar so it may be hard.

[@victuff9765]

@@Kav. not sure how to post a photo here? What photos I have are not close ups and pre- digital bit are scannable...

[@HO-bndk]

The optical sight (U.O.S.) was trialled with the FAL too. It was intended to aid aiming (no need to align a backsight and foresight) and it incorporated hold over marks too (with an inverted pointer like the later S.U.I.T.). Remember this was all years ahead of its time in the 1950s.

[@richarddixon7276]

I Can hardly wait till the books out and I get My copy , hours of joy !

[@someguy2741]

I would have assumed "Unit" sight would be short for "Unity" sight, as in Single power.

[@someguy2741]

@CatchThisFade White Boy The term "Unity Sight" has been used in the past (at the same time period) for tanks.

[@JonathanFergusonRoyalArmouries]

You're absolutely right in fact. As is now made clear in the book :) It does cause confusion because of the later SUIT and SUSAT, which include the word 'unit' in its other sense.

[@someguy2741]

@@JonathanFergusonRoyalArmouries I am not certain but I seem to recall that the "Unity sight" also included several sighting systems or multiple optics into one visual representation to the shooter. An attempt at Stereo visual using multiple lenses? That would have been cutting edge at the same time period. In the old collections of drawings at work I used to run across 3D stereo imagery of cartography where they would take two images at the same time, then you would use stereo glasses to see the image in 3D by viewing one image with 1 eye and one with the other. It is surprising how good it is. I would be surprised if 3D monocular and binocular sights weren't also being kicked around at the same time as the EM rifles since it was so high tech for its time.

[@AttiliusRex]

@CTF WB you realize mr fergusson responded to someguy and said he was correct 😂

[@thealandude9146]

@@AttiliusRex LMAO

[@davidwilkinson8431]

Just yesterday KZbin showed me a video of the weapons of Waterloo with Saun Bean. And who do I see buy our Mr.Ferguson. :)

[@moosemaimer]

I saw that too

[@WozWozEre]

Saun Bean? Brother of Shawn Bean and cousin of Sharpe Star Sean Bean?

[@high-velocitymammal5030]

@@WozWozEre Don't forget his dear old uncle, Shon.

[@SlavicCelery]

Everytime I see the name Shaun Bean (or any variation of the name), I always think - *Damnit, you're either Shawn Bawn or Seen Been...You can't be both!*

[@high-velocitymammal5030]

@@SlavicCelery "Sean Bean" wasn't in there once for that joke to work tho

[@JosephKano]

That is a very attractive looking weapon.

[@sawyere2496]

It looks like it belongs in Fallout or something

[@JohnCenaRektU]

@@sawyere2496 hehe www.nexusmods.com/fallout4/mods/43474

[@john-paulsilke893]

JosephKano you call that pretty? Don’t get me wrong, I’d absolutely love to have it and it would be the prize of my collection, but not the most pleasant looking gun I’ve ever seen.

[@Kav.]

@@john-paulsilke893 personal preference. I think it's a very nice looking gun.

[@john-paulsilke893]

@@Kav. so we both want it. I want it because it’s awesome and you want it because it’s awesome and pretty. I guess you win, but it’s who gets to the bank first without his wife finding out first that really counts. 😁

[@stefankroik1083]

Just have to say, Johnatan has one of the coolest jobtitles ever.

[@akashahuja2346]

What a gorgeous looking design

[@adamjones3818]

It really is a beautiful rifle

[@northstar-v6757]

THE GREATEST CROSSOVER THERE HAS EVER BEEN

[@highthereguys]

RIP CANADIAN GUN OWNERS.

[@coopthecanadian]

I'm Canadian

[@highthereguys]

@@coopthecanadian As am I :P

[@stefanmolnapor910]

Hope you band togeather and don't comply! We are rooting for you all!

[@LordPeng1]

Thumb Smashing Flange was the name of my band in high school.

[@Glove513]

The Obligatory Trunnion was mine. Just got the book today and it’s a beauty.

[@ericheaton642]

This is one of the greatest crossovers in history

[@117johnpar]

This is like the gun equivalent of the Corvette being made mid engine.

[@michaelmccarthy4615]

Another interview at the morgue...

[@lesgl]

One here in Australia at the Lithgow Small Arms factory museum..

[@morrisbuschmeier2047]

Amazing that an engineer, refugee from German occupied Poland, led the EM2 development team. Hope you got it, Mr Farage?

[@simonwest80]

My 2 favourite gun people's!

[@arpadkocsis7472]

I just love the fact that these two know each other ^^

[@ECESW]

Jan-usz-ew-ski Yan-ush-ev-ski (Pronounciation approximation with English phonetics) a being pronounced ah instead of eh Januszewski - Means Son of (ski) Janusz. Janusz = Jonathan Jan (the more common usage) = John Hence: Januszewski means son of John Janson would thereby being an anglocized version of it in Swedish tradition. As the Son/sson suffix of a Swedish thing. Compared to the sen suffixed used more in Norwegian/Danish. Johnson would be a complete anglocized version.

[@TrooperClerk]

The Mega Powers of Firearms!

[@johnstribling8381]

There is also a nice write up with detailed photos and drawings of the Initial IPW program rifles and ammo in the 1972 Guns and Ammo Annual written by Major F.W.A. Hobart. Looking forward to the book.....

[@johnfisk811]

So much simpler to have gone with the SLEM straight away and settled Europe on 7.92mm Mauser.

[@ScottKenny1978]

Would have been a bit of a sale for the Americans, who were equal in economic power to at least the entirety of Europe after Europe was rebuilt. Had studet not been an (expletives deleted), though, this is a very interesting case of what might have been.

[@anthony199757]

The crossover I never knew I wanted.

[@richwalls7678]

You're my favorite channel on youtube and I understand you're trying to sell books but I'm looking forward to this deep dive hitting bottom

[@TheDLVProject]

Ian: so 2+2=4? EM2: No

[@NapoleonGelignite]

Someone should reissue the EM2 in 6.5 Creedmoor.

[@collinis1]

Wild Bill I agree it’s not worth making, but that is no excuse to buy an mdr.

[@zepetv589]

@@bmstylee In what world does this have even the slightest resemblance to the Zip 22?

[@axelpatrickb.pingol3228]

@@zepetv589 I believe the point he's making is the absurdity of trying to justify wasting money and effort in a product that is too niche of a market to profit from. Like the HMG StG44...

[@hailexiao2770]

Why not just have IWI develop a Tavor 7 in 6.5 Creedmoor?

[@wesleygay8918]

@@hailexiao2770 why do that when someone could build a Famas in 6.5? Just as viable I'd say.

[@NRJenzenJones]

I loved this. Great work, fellas.

[@5chr4pn3ll]

It's a shame this series of videos has such terrible audio (this video is the best audio wise so far tho). There are ways to fix this in editing. You could noise-filter out the background noise, with a free software like "audacity". Then you can normalize the filtered audio, can be done on most editing software or above mentioned software. So just take all recordings, x-amount of hours, and render them as an audio file instead of video. Treat the file as mentioned. Import it back into the editing software with the original raw footage, mute the raw footage and use the new audio instead. Render that out and then you have a fixed new "raw" footage to use when editing vids. This method is also nice for correcting white balance/colours, since you fix all the footage at once and then just use it to edit like normal.

[@kez0o9]

Subtitles for now

[@badpossum440]

An assault rifle is defined as a selective fire rifle that uses an intermediate cartridge and a detachable magazine. Assault rifles are the standard infantry weapons in most modern armies. the 7.62 x 51 is an intermediate round of the 30.06 so that makes the M14 & FN-FAL an assault rifle.

[@fromthebackseat4865]

7.62x51 is not an intermediate, it’s full power. Those are battle rifles, not assault rifles.

[@darthhodges]

Two by two with hands of blue.

[@randywatson8347]

Such pristine condition.

[@oldesertguy9616]

I can't help but think, given the shift away from bull pup rifles, that these rifles, although a good design, would not have been as perfect as people imagine them to have been. I think once they were out in the field in large numbers they would have been criticized like every other rifle out there.

[@JonathanFergusonRoyalArmouries]

I agree. It's easy to lionise weapons that never had to prove themselves. Even the FAL had a lot of early problems, but these were thankfully identified and eliminated in the prototype stage.

[@ScottKenny1978]

Having handled an airsoft FAMAS, it's amazingly handy. Assuming that the real thing has similar balance, at least. Some other bullpups, though, are ... Hideously unbalanced. Like the SA 80.

[@thekaxmax]

The ones that have been fielded do well and are liked.

[@paulbantick8266]

@@ScottKenny1978 Hideously? I used the L85 for 13 years. There was nothing noticeable where balance was concerned. In my hands at least, It functioned well, and in those thirteen years, I had just one stoppage. A case got jammed between the ejection port and bolt carrier. the case sticking out at right-angles. All I did was pull it away, forward assisted and carried on firing.

[@paulbantick8266]

Development from 1951 would have ironed things out. By today, it would surely be seen as one of the best military weapons ever made.

[@TheMrPeteChannel]

That's a meaty forgrip!

[@AlexandruNicolin]

Would have been nice to combine the .280 bullet with the .308 case.

[@PALbub]

Love ur channel and dedication. I think it’s time get an audio pro to set something mobile up for you. Audio quality is your maybe only weak point. No hate, I love what u do for us.

[@haroldellis9721]

12:40 In other words, they ripped off the ripoffs.

[@sephirotic87]

My favourite gun historians together S2

[@Tedris4]

What decently available round these days would be similar to .280 British? Decently available being something like 6.5mm Creedmoor or up.

[@mrb692]

TeddyAurum .280 British has about the same energy as 7.62x39. You lose the ballistic advantages of the 7mm bullet, but otherwise they’re surprisingly similar.

[@ScottKenny1978]

6.5 Grendel is probably the closest. 7mm HV is effectively 7mm-08.

[@ProbablyTooLoud]

Is this approved for use and ownership in Canada ? What...too soon ??

[@lib556]

Definitely NOT too soon. The hypocrisy of our scumbag govt needs to be exposed quickly and often. The rules seem to change daily.

[@lhmmhl1]

@@lib556 you are letting it happen.

[@alanbrunner3737]

I like to know your thought's of the EM2 vs newer bullpups

[@JonathanFergusonRoyalArmouries]

Can't speak for Ian but frankly even the L86A2 is streets ahead of E.M. 2, just thanks to a 4x optic, modularity, accuracy, parts life, ease of stripping and cleaning and (believe it or not) reliability. Any modern service bullpup is going to beat E.M. 2; it's an unproven 1940s design. But by god is it stylish and so very British.

[@johnsabini3351]

Britain's Toys - produced some soldier figures with the EM2 in plastic and metal!

[@johngulyas4334]

At about the 5:00 mark, you get the British gun equivalent of an Abbot & Costello routine.

[@lgiorgio71]

I love this gun so much. Its so interesting. I´d love to have a repro or even an original, but I think that that day never will com. Btw Awesome video and awesome Book

[@thomaspunt2646]

"Avengers is the most ambitious crossover in history!" Me, an intellectual:

[@magecraft2]

I am wondering why a open bolt gun would not have a fixed firing pin? Is it a safety issue to stop slamfire's?

[@ScottKenny1978]

Not slamfires, out of battery firing.

[@christopherdrekr1078]

Were the hand guards grown in that shape ?

[@thni1703]

and the insiedes :O ... how does it look through the sight ?

[@gintonic5770]

Find someone, who looks at you like Jonathan Ferguson looks at Gun Jesus.

[@philllax1719]

Everybody that says this looks like the morgue doesnt know what a morgue looks like

[@deadflowers7017]

Depends on the morgue.

[@eragonunderhill5545]

if you are gonna have a bullpup, in my eyes, you might as well have a battle rifle with a 20+ inch barrel or a lmg/dmr with a long barrel

[@ScottKenny1978]

Well, the .280 British is about on par with the 6.5 carcano or Arisaka in terms of power level. So it's really a light battle rifle, not so much an intermediate cartridge.

[@jaroslawwalczak2855]

Come on, Polish is easy. The designer name was Kazimierz Januszewski. What's difficult in it?

[@JonathanFergusonRoyalArmouries]

I can do that too; "Kazimierz Janusewski". How was that?

[@jaroslawwalczak2855]

@@JonathanFergusonRoyalArmouries Just perfect.

[@kanghyunyoo6690]

thanks

[@thatguyinthatoneshow]

General Sam called you out! (Valorant video) go and demand a duel and tell him he can't run ads on the video you guys film😂

[@lib556]

Even if forced to use 7.62 NATO, it would have been great if UK had adopted the design. Then, after USA threw every one under the bus by adopting 5.56 (after bullying all of NATO to go 7.62), UK would be justified in modifying the design for that cartridge.

[@thekaxmax]

they tried. Was too heavy. So they ended up with the SA-80a1....

[@Kav.]

@@thekaxmax they never tried an EM-2 in 5.56 to my knowledge

[@peterbills4129]

9:30 Smoke Detector?

[@MrDoozer001]

filmed prior to his kidnapping by gamespot

[@deaconwedmore3685]

Girls: Avengers Endgame is the most ambitious crossover Boys:

[@kenny344]

Nice.

[@krystal20delight61]

what about TKB-408-2 by German A. Korobov The bullpup assault rifle that lost AK in the trials

[@UXB1000]

Maybe Maxim Popenker will cover that in his book, assuming there will be a video between Ian and Maxim.

[@johnyaniuk1254]

Da Morgue. With rubber gloves. And NO DEAD BODIES.

[@b.griffin317]

Disassembly video?

[@bigfoot4813]

Still waiting for a AO63 review.

[@UXB1000]

Perhaps Maxim Popenker will cover that in his upcoming book, assuming that there will be an interview between him and Ian.

[@shermonruler]

that bayonet is neato

[@louisbeerreviews8964]

shermonruler it’s NATO not neato bayonet it’s not NATO

[@Kav.]

You can get very similar No7 bayonets relatively easily. This bayonet is No11 iirc.

[@markfergerson2145]

I may have missed it in the flurry of videos on this, uh, series of rifles, but what is the deal with that bayonet (4:00)? That lump on the pommel looks like something a Klingon would design- either that or it's for ending one's foes rightly.

[@HO-bndk]

The "lump" swivels out and locks open like you see there so it can fit the Sten MkV and the No. 4 rifle (and the E.M. 2/No. 9/L1A1 rifle) as a bayonet, or it can be swiveled and locked back into the grip to turn it into a fighting/utility knife.

[@markfergerson2145]

@@HO-bndk Ah, thank you.

[@talhamalik8917]

Brother after so many years of watching you and your KZbin channel,today I just want to ask' When you are getting your Hair cut'?. Best of Luck👍

[@thekaxmax]

'c u t' [looks it up]

[@anselmdanker9519]

Can you advise which regiment used the weapon on trials in Malaya during the Communist insurgency?

[@somecoder3054]

Very pretty. Wish people made 1:2 or 1:10 scale models of this gun. Improved focus on JF's presentation. Easier to follow him.

[@JonathanFergusonRoyalArmouries]

Me too! The only replicas are the ones they made for toy soldiers :) I'd settle for a 1:6 scale to go with my L85A3 and L129A1...

[@somecoder3054]

@@JonathanFergusonRoyalArmouries I know of Green Wolf that does mini replicas, but right now only their mp5s are available seperately. They have models with miniatures handling equipments with some moving parts. They have an L85A2. Comes with full OTW shirt and velcro patches. If you know of anyone else, why not do a video?

[@JonathanFergusonRoyalArmouries]

@@somecoder3054 Both my L85A3 (I haven't seen an A2?) and my L129A1 are GWG. The L129A1 was bought from them direct - perhaps they have run out? I don't know much about 1:6 replicas to be honest, I just liked their L129A1 and then went hunting for a decent L85 miniature.

[@somecoder3054]

@@JonathanFergusonRoyalArmouries they've run out of the L129s. You can still get the A3 from the miniatures. Planning on getting it for in-law since he's a Grenadier Guard.

[@sadwingsraging3044]

Screw that. If it is out of alignment it better have a way for me to adjust it, quickly, or you can keep it. Wait on an armorer to fix it my arse.

[@D0NtPh34rTh3R34p3R]

You could always smack it with a rock

[@chasecharron4546]

All this cartridge talk got me spinnin in circles

[@D0NtPh34rTh3R34p3R]

Same lol, I think Ian was a bit confused there too

[@JonathanFergusonRoyalArmouries]

@@D0NtPh34rTh3R34p3R It's pretty confusing to be honest. I was still getting to grips with it myself when we filmed this (a long time ago).

[@daddydd1201]

You guys can go out?

[@ForgottenWeapons]

This was filmed before the pandemic.

[@nordfreiheit]

Is anyone here after General Sam

[@mcnuttington7122]

Pissboy

[@MannequinMeat]

Turns out General Sam watches Gun Jesus aswell.

[@neo187420]

Just watched that video a few minutes ago. Had a good chuckle.

[@ChristianMcAngus]

So modern manual of arms you're supposed to charge a rifle with a right mounted handle - with your left hand? Why? That sounds just unnecessarily awkward.

[@thekaxmax]

easy enough to change that to top. Manufacturing changes. It need a few others anyway, so add that to the list.

[@TRabbit1970]

...drools

[@Ionenkanone1]

that is confusing

[@MrLucidity]

There's always some knob that feels compelled to type 'First'......

[@NoNameAtAll2]

First

[@NapoleonGelignite]

Second

[@MrLucidity]

@@NoNameAtAll2 yes, very clever of you. wanna medal?

[@MrLucidity]

@@NapoleonGelignite Congratulations, you must be the pride of your family. Go you!

[@nicholas_scott]

MrLucidity ignore them. Sad people that want attention.

[@somethingreal5042]

65th

[@jrgordon47]

One step forward...two steps back...too many, really small factoids...This video is like the appendix to the book...

[@notesfromthebunker6250]

Annnnd..back in the morgue.

[@dr.threatening8622]

Viable 3D printing needs to hurry up so I can has a replica.

[@thekaxmax]

it exists; there's 3d printers capable of making working jet engines out of steel and titanium. Still need to heat-treat the metal, though.

[@sergarlantyrell7847]

More E.M.2? Click.

[@jeromethiel4323]

If the variations confuse gun jesus, none of us stands a chance! ^-^ I actually own what was "claimed" to be an L1A1, but it was a century arms franken FAL. Not a bad gun, but probably not a real L1A1.

[@ScottKenny1978]

Well, there were very few actual FAL imported, maybe 1700? Almost everything else is a parts kit build because a different receiver was required to comply with US laws (if you can just drop in a select fire trigger group, it's a machine gun and not importable).

[@nerome619]

Should do a reproduction run of these guns

[@thegoldencaulk2742]

Sadly, it's never gonna happen. Even if they could make it and make it reliable, it would not be cheap and there would not be a market for it. But if they did.... I'd be first on the waitlist.

[@jenavevesnowolf13]

@@thegoldencaulk2742 That HMG StG44 comes to mind....

[@reubensandwich9249]

Cartridges alone would be a difficult undertaking by either replicating modern standards or re-engineering for a modern round. When Ian shot it, there were difficulties using what scare ammunition was left. Then you get into tooling, wood, and magazines.

[@axelpatrickb.pingol3228]

After all what Ian and Karl adequately discussed and peesented, you still hang on by that delusion that reproductions are easy or cheap to produce...

[@ScottKenny1978]

Let's start with a price of $5500 like the FG 42 replicas. And probably 10 years r&d to get it running right.

[@coopthecanadian]

Hi