British EM-2: The Best Cold War Battle Rifle that Never Was

[@InAQuietWay]

Cold war: *Drops EM2* Algorithm: Ya this'll work out nicely

[@streak4life]

The timing tho

[@Bubloi]

I woke up after leveling the gun yesterday, and youtube said "so i heard you like this EM2 rifle or whatever it is, anyway here's two 4 year old videos about the gun"

[@Clark_PlaysYT]

Lol

[@eightyfps]

JGOD but Real Life

[@RottenFlesh-we6nu]

Lol true

[@fee_lo8346]

Can you imagine being a soldier turning in your bolt action and being handed one of these 😮. Mind boggling.

[@nolan6183]

Yeah that's a crazy thought.

[@birddog9708]

Stripping them is a bit of a handful, slinky springs😉

[@MaynardOwns]

Yeah. I'm willing to bet they tried their hardest to adapt. But very rare to be that good with both sides. Bet when it comes to life or death these fuckers adapted tho. I think about skateboarding. You can be a damn good skater but if you can't skate switch just as good as regular good luck getting any sponsors and turning pro. So with enough practice anyone can get good using the non dominant side. And when potential death is involved I bet those lefties got damn good at not dying. Or they were just designated strictly to suppress the enemy.

[@54356776]

Kind of like handing in your nagant or other type and being handed an AK47.

[@marksbikeexports5123]

@@ABrit-bt6ce That will be the 80s then

[@isaxah-3324]

Ah yes as soon as the EM-2 comes out in call of duty cold war season 5 the youtube algorithm wants to show itself

[@artifex_gm2653]

Title of the video is very true as well

[@TheRageLivesOn]

@@artifex_gm2653 this gun is literally a 3 shot across the map

[@trfpvVT]

@@TheRageLivesOn ground loot em2 is ass with the recoil, might be good when leveled tho

[@TheRageLivesOn]

@@trfpvVT oh i meant in cold war multiplayer i dont play warzone

[@Adrian-zb4ck]

I think cause we keep searching up the em2 on the search bar which tells the algroythim to put more videos about the gun

[@aliprogaming2402]

Class setup: Agency suppresor, task force barrel, field agent, 40 rnd mag, 3x scope

[@cassettestape]

Bruh are you talking about bocw

[@angelomarmejiaespinosa2075]

@@cassettestape I think he refers to Warzone, the Task Force barrel reduces both vertical and horizontal recoil, and the Agency suppressor gives you vertical recoil control at the cost of a reduction to your effective damage range. Both things happen on CW. On Warzone you receive bullet velocity, recoil control and damage range with only those two attachments!

[@cassettestape]

@@angelomarmejiaespinosa2075 bruh i know what he's talking about, i just find it funny that this video is like 4 years old and the comment was a couple hours ago

[@thesaddestdude3575]

@@cassettestape Its getting alot of traction from BOCW i think

[@angelomarmejiaespinosa2075]

@@cassettestape actually it appeared on my recommendations today... Two days after the new season lol

[@GLADICEK2]

Imagine solving a problem with magazines unintentionally dropping from the magwell, then 50 years or so deploying out your troops with a rifle having the same exact issue.

[@inwit594]

To be fair, considering how quick weapons development became post WW2 remembering something fairly minor like that from that long ago is actually pretty hard.

[@danyoutube7491]

Yeah, it seems that the EM-2 might actually have been better than the L85 until the A2 variant of the latter was issued, a full half century after the EM-2 was (briefly) adopted!

[@AsbestosMuffins]

"this rifle was only designed to be fired from the right shoulder." you mean the british designed it to fire from the properly issued british shoulder

[@willsmith1539]

so were the early muskets

[@MrLupercal]

The standard issue Mk1 shoulder, usually issued with the Mk1 eyeball, the best optical sight known to man.

[@MuttleyMutter]

The dominant eye is more important than the shoulder, but testing for *that* is way beyond the grasp of Army testers, and in any case we're not talking about selecting snipers. To quote Spike Milligan, recounting a tale from his call-up for WW2 "Left-handed are you? Well, we can't have a gun specially made for you. You'll just have to be right-handed for the duration"

[@W1ldSm1le]

Im left handed and i shoot right handed, im right eye dominant.

[@kieronwheeler3087]

Of course. All British semi-auto, and full-auto firearms have been designed to serve a dual purpose. They can operate as a conventional firearm when fired from the right shoulder and they also operate to allow cosmetic facial reconstruction when fired from the left shoulder.

[@zeebaka]

I think it's interesting that ever time theres a new, obscure Cold War weapon, the Forgotten Weapons video for it shows up.

[@billlee1724]

Because millions call of dudy players are searching for it on here.... not interesting at all haha

[@Alex324]

@@billlee1724 maybe that itself is interesting

[@jacobduffy8301]

Thanks dude

[@thewingedporpoise]

for me it more came up after days of watching random videos of his and the EM2 being brought up a fair amount, before him saying that he wish it got entered into service

[@ghxsty66]

@@Alex324 that they're watching videos of people reviewing it on cold war? not really

[@stone.2247]

Coming here to see how accurate treyarch got this rifle

[@ivoryking509]

The ads is slow

[@unitedcjd3650]

Pretty accurate

[@Arcangel2992]

Surprisingly accurate considering how often they drop the ball on these things

[@Theplaznoo]

@@ivoryking509 it’s not if you use the wrong attachments

[@jordanscholl717]

Same

[@-Zevin-]

US: "WE WILL NOT ACCEPT LESS THAN A 30 CALIBER CATDRIDGE WE NEED MORE POWER!" a few years later, "check out this new 5.56 round, isn't it neat?"

[@joefish6091]

People think the USA is a land of corn fed giants, but the reality is short stunted people living in the rural and urban wastelands. the American population did not recover fully from the starvation of the thirties until the 80s kids were adults. two generations for growth stunted by poverty to be erased from the gene pool. And of course child soldiers in the armies of the third world, esp the Western motivated 'rebel' coup armies, they cannot use full sized rifles, so toy guns are needed.

[@martinkineavy9039]

There is the right way the wrong way and the American way

[@66kbm]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/oJbbl2t3aZtloK8

[@vinh7251]

@@martinkineavy9039 As I believe Winston Churchill himself said, you can trust the Americans to do the right thing but only after they've tried everything else.

[@someguy3766]

Britain: "We've developed an amazing new rifle!" America: "You can't have that rifle." Britain: "... :'(

[@G1NZOU]

Britain: "Here's a good cartridge to standardise with." NATO: "Cool, yeah we like this." America: "Nope, use this round we like and we promise to use the FAL". NATO: "Well we were supposed to work together and be open about testing but OK I guess" America: "Actually I was kidding about using the FAL, sorry not sorry." Britain: >:(

[@richardlea818]

Harry Eaton well shit we Americans were the ones paying for NATO from the get go, and still today. If your paying for the bucket of beer, you get to choose the brand. If you’re funding an international military, you pick the guns.

[@someguy3766]

@@richardlea818 Ok, but at least pick a good gun. xD

[@richardlea818]

Some Guy yeah I definitely wont argue for the m14. Stupid design no one asked for or wanted. Not sure the FAL was a great gun either though

[@someguy3766]

@@richardlea818 Sure, but we only took the FAL because America forced us to go with 7.62 NATO instead of an intermediate cartridge and that gun could handle it. The EM-2 however was a great rifle.

[@hal900x]

Politics: killing servicemen since...well, since the dawn of time.

[@ridanann]

votes get fooled an soldiers get fucked an politicians get rich. still military rule is allways worse solders can lead no gods no master's

[@hp2084]

There were times when politicians(kings) used to lead the armies.

[@ridanann]

@@hp2084 lol march on id say il be right behind ya waiting to give a shit about a rich mans problems lo.l im celt are kings lead battle but even Gerry adams an bobbys sand werent exactly our besr in combat. sadly most that are take the queens shilling.TAL

[@hp2084]

LOL

[@TheGoatRide]

And in my experience, the pols who fuck it up the most are the ones that are most popular with the servicemen

[@lukaszpokoju]

While watching this video I’ve got flashbacks pictures jumping in my memory: underground tunnel firing range, old 480 p video quality and British army sweater. Those who know, may be few. But I’m pretty sure they suddenly felt old. Thanks Ian for your fantastic job!

[@TheHacknor]

Great, thanks for reminding me and making me feel old

[@BennettIsAmazing]

RAF sweater/jumper - not Army!

[@treles]

It was the video that introduced me to this channel, been looking forward to this to a while

[@wierdalien1]

BennettC yes that is an important distinction. ent no green around here.

[@UnintentionalSubmarine]

That was the second video I watched on this channel (right after a FG42 shooting video)... Oh the memories... and a great start to something quite special. EM-2 will hold a special place in my mind for many reasons, this included.

[@UnintentionalSubmarine]

Imagine this with polymer rather than wood, a more practical optical sight and generally just streamlined, as would probably have happened (not all of it right away of course) had it been fully adopted. The mental image is quite striking. It might even have caused the 'bullpup evolution' of the late 70s to happen at least 15 years earlier. Could we possibly get another 'shooting episode' with this very interesting rifle? I would love to see it on a range, though that might be stretching the hopes way too far.

[@51WCDodge]

Why plastic? Wood dosen't melt when melt when you put fly repellent on it. The larger front hand grip is nicer in the hand, especially with gloves, and bear in mind the 'Battlefeild ' was to be Northern Europe. Also plastics at that time were unproven, wood was cheap and the skill available to work it were. As I've said before, when these things were being developed the UK Economy was still on rationing and virtually bankrupt, so this was a major undertaking , with WW3 a distinct possibility.

[@titytitmk2738]

It happened with the M16. The first M16 is radically different to a modern M16 in many ways.

[@UnintentionalSubmarine]

Polymers don't warp in heat or humidity, and wood is as noted elsewhere here heavier. Anyway, I did note 'not all of it right away'. I would assume any move to plastics would happen in the early 60s, after changing the optics. So in a potential Mk. 3 version. A bit like the FAL or G3, not to the same extent as the M16 for instance.

[@51WCDodge]

Jonas: Polymers don't now! At the time, especailly with servcie in India and Far Eastern countries, the British were well aquainted with the properties of various woods and the bedding of barrels and actions under climatic extremes.

[@skepticalbadger]

In fact the intent was to replace the wood with polymer for series production.

[@profesordubiel]

Hey Ian I'm from Poland and I find your pronunciation exeptionally good for a foreigner, I mean you can tell that you are not polish but still best pronunciation of polish terms and names i ever heard. BTW your work is great really appreciate that.

[@keenanmcbreen7073]

Jumping from bolt action to this would have been such a MASSIVE jump forward. With you Ian on that Para model being pretty sweet, even without considering the age.

[@LooneyJuice]

Man, if only this was put into service properly. I'm sure it would have had a knock-on effect on the rest of the industry. I still cannot believe that it's roughly 70 years old. This must've been like something out of science fiction back then. Not to mention what modern firearms would have looked like if this was put into service and gone through its own evolution.

[@QwertyBoredom122]

Mechanical engineering is interesting like that, sometimes its possible to find the (almost) best solution very early, just look at the German bolt-action rifles for an example, the Model 95 design is 122 years old and virtually unchanged to this day (and still in production) outside of a few improvements made for the K98 (that US sniper rifles are based on) a rifle that is 82 years old.

[@gusgone4527]

Not so Looney my friend. You are correct in every respect. The EM series would have revolutionised combat rifles and, most importantly, NATO.

[@Hubert_Cumberdale_]

My dad made a wood copy of one of those when I was a kid.

[@Volunteer-per-order_OSullivan]

I think it is interesting to note that we are now looking into a new cartage that would have more power than 5.56 NATO but less than 7.62 NATO, something like this.

[@natorious314]

Like 6.5 Grendel, 6.8 etc. Haven't made much progress other than special operations though.

[@gustavogaming6692]

Cold war: Drops EM2 on season 5 KZbin: NOW THIS LOOKS LIKE A JOB FOR ME

[@PabloHernandez-gl5ij]

Why am I hearing Eminem's voice in the background when I read your comment?

[@warning6596]

@@PabloHernandez-gl5ij 😂

[@thesituation5315]

So everybody Just follow me

[@toneoftones7053]

@@PabloHernandez-gl5ij same 😂😂😂😂

[@Wid21425]

@@PabloHernandez-gl5ij so everybody just follow me cuz we need a little controversy.

[@Drrolfski]

The SA80 that could have been. Someone should make a reproduction of this rifle that chambers 5.56 and put it to the test against other bullpups.

[@MonMalthias]

Wood furniture and steel stampings for that classic 50's vintage feel. Would probably be lighter than the SA-80 to boot.

[@wierdalien1]

MonMalthias nah they would have replaced the wood with plastic and it would have been lighter.

[@totenkopf28]

maybe you should try bushmaster m17s, its kinda have a feeling of EM-2 (just feeling, aesthetic different)

[@FluffRat]

If they chambered the reproduction in 7.62x39mm it would actually be very close to the original .280 and the mag catch on this even looks basically the same as an AK, so it wouldn't ruin the styling if you used 20 round tanker mags.

[@FluffRat]

Ok, "very close" might be overstating it somewhat, but a lot closer than the previously mentioned 5.56 and the combination of readily available steel magazines with cheap ammo would be nice.

[@jonnybravo3055]

All these years later and the 280 cartridge is spot on. Not as powerful as the 7.62-51 but more power than the 5.56.

[@AR15andGOD]

5.56 is superior in every way.

[@Premium-Dumb-Ass]

​​@@AR15andGODNot when you shoot a terrorist 3 times and hes still running at you because 5.56 is underpowered

[@kgsvvgla2i]

​@@Premium-Dumb-AssSure. Except that the scenario with a terrorist running after being hit 3 times with a 5.56 round is completely made up.

[@Shortcreeper105]

Cold War: brings this weapon to the game KZbin: wanna learn more about the EM2?

[@Di_D3M0N]

Video paused. Wanna keep watching? More like We paused your video because we wanna ruin your day. You can hit the purchase button to get KZbin premium

[@undvnd_unsr3x]

@@Di_D3M0N wut

[@Joze1090]

@@Di_D3M0N excuse me?

[@chickenitza8]

Jesus christ how many of you fucking drones have to say the same exact thing

[@IRMentat]

Sounds like us brits. Have a great idea then throw it out the window and implement a poorly thought out badly made knock off version made to inferior standards.

[@IRMentat]

That or we have a plan then put a person in charge that was actively working against its success only a short time ago.

[@humansvd3269]

Shady Orange Don't worry, they redeemed themselves with the l85....Har Har har.

[@LoopyLucy95]

Sounds like you're pissed off about the Harrier too...

[@killerskillet]

"What a great idea... but is it *TOO* good?"

[@FieldMarshalFry]

mostly to please the bloody Yanks as well

[@drmaudio]

So we have the Garand in .276 found favorable in testing in the '30s, which is then changed to 30-06 due primarily to logistics (surplus of 30-06). Then, more than 20 years on, when others (as we had 20 years earlier) found 7mm a good place to be, we are insisting on a 30-06 equivalent (Which is only still used due to the logistics of 20 years ago). The politics of procurement can be a little maddening.

[@HFS_Tradecraft]

As a Polish person, I'd say that your pronunciation was quite ok :)

[@denforundrade695]

The videos in this channel should be made into digital copies and be a part of every library in the western world in the future!

[@CosmeticFear]

Can't believe this was recommended because of the new Cold War update.

[@corporalpunishment1133]

Outstanding video again. This series on the British post war developmental rifles has been totally outstanding. Excellent work you have every gun and history lover wishing to work with you.

[@alganhar1]

Meh, we should have ignored them. The EM-2 was an outstanding design for its time.

[@TheAngrySaxon1]

Yep, a colossal fuck up to say the very least. America was stuck in the past, and couldn't see where gun designs were going, until Stoner brought them up to speed many years later.

[@birddog9708]

alganhar1 it still is , why we ended up with the fn SLR is beyond me

[@sethlance8009]

@@TheAngrySaxon1 as a American I agree 280 British was a much better cartridge than 7.62x51. We were stuck on the m1 garand

[@G1NZOU]

We did it as a compromise, settle for the FAL in 7.62 if the US adopts the FAL too, everyone's happy. But the US had no intention of compromising, just getting their own way.

[@thelegoman1176]

@@sethlance8009 an m 1 garand with external magazine

[@Unethrorpe]

What a badass rifle. Such a shame that it didn't become standard for NATO.

[@rellywilkins486]

Anyone else get this video as soon as the bocw battle pass released this gun?

[@xdaddyduragx7989]

Gun is real good in BOCW too lmao

[@khaiguess]

@@xdaddyduragx7989 yep literally a 3 shot

[@theclone9123.]

Yep

[@equalcharlie158]

I'm not a gun person by any means. Having said that, I do love history and industrial history even more, and your videos are always well done, filled with historical note points for me to look up later and just generally enjoyable. Good show sir, please continue to educate the masses!

[@pierevojzola9737]

Hi, I saw this weapon at the School of Small Arms when I did a course there in the early sixties after a tour in Bahrain etc. We Paras were very envious of this gun as our SLR's would jamb in the desert if there was a smidgen of oil left in the mechanism. We found the only way to clear the FN was to cock it using the side of our boots! The EM-2 was demonstrated by dropping in oil, sand, dirt, cocking and firing it, no problem! I started my soldiering with the SMLE No. 4 and finished with the AR-15 Armarlite years later in VN. I still think back on that EM-2 and think "if only.)!

[@steveozone4910]

I've just spent 20 minutes trying to rub that black dot off my screen 😀

[@ThatGuy-a48]

Steve Ozone know the feeling

[@williamsassard3497]

Steve Ozone lol

[@Ayy_Doll_Fiddler]

Wut african-american dot?

[@rushthezeppelin]

LMAO the first thing I did was scroll to make sure it wasn't on my screen.

[@heffatheanimal2200]

Lol! Thank god I wasn't the only one

[@matthewmoss1589]

Great video! The Para model is extremely handy! I see you didn't try and strip the bolt down, I don't blame you! Certainly easier to disassemble than the EM-1, but beyond a basic field strip the EM-2's bolt is armourer level only. Having stripped and reassembled one myself I can't imagine how many machine operations it took to make the bolt and the flaps.

[@LeggyRevvy]

what a coincidence, as soon as season 5 of cwar releases that has em2 im recommended this

[@MsLunadog]

You are the steve1989 of old historical guns. I love you enthusiasm and love of history. I am a huge fan thank you.

[@LionofCaliban]

That disassembly was amazing. It can only be described as a thing of beauty. I can't help but really applaud the guys behind this. The team really produced a damned good rifle. Shame the politics got in the way. That and I think I know how to get Ian to go squee. Someone want to help me build/model a left hand paratroop EM2?

[@Surv1ve_Thrive]

You know how to get people "to go squee?" ....? Translate if you will/can please.

[@LionofCaliban]

How to make Ian a very happy man. So happy he makes a sound akin to squee.

[@Wien1938]

You can see how the design is influenced by wartime lessons - do it well and do it simply.

[@djcoopes7569]

Any update on the model?

[@foabmoab]

What happened with this rifle, and it being pretty advanced for the time reminds me of what occurred with the TSR-2.

[@jameslawrie3807]

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[@G1NZOU]

Rene Studler happened. Went on record saying any foreign designs were a waste of time, with such bias he should have never been in charge of decisions like that, he'd already made his mind up from the start and buried reports that the .280 was good. Also went against NATO agreements that nations should openly conduct trials and secretly trialled what would eventually become the M-14.

[@zogworth]

APT as well.

[@RealAaron317]

Looks like a weapon from a 50's space movie

[@kaveebee]

I would expect the Thought Police in an early version of '1984' to be carrying these...

[@harbl99]

Another artefact from the Dan Dare future we never got to have.

[@miltongonzalez2384]

I like how every time there’s a new cold war gun releases this guy pops up on my recommended

[@davidrendall7195]

The .280 (7mm) was the third opportunity to adopt an intermediate round in the British Army. In the aftermath of the Boer War the 6.5x55mm Swedish was tested against .303 and 7.92x57mm Mauser. While it had it's proponents, the British went with the bigger Mauser round, mostly to get maximum performance out of Maxim type machine guns. Then WW1 got in the way and they stuck with .303. The British tested the .276 Pedersen in the early 30s as replacement for the waning stocks of .303 and were keen as it worked well with self-loading rifles and LMG. The issue was cost and again it's utility in heavier machine guns, especially tank coax. Then we get the .280 in the late 40s, which seems perfect for the individual weapon / rifle company battlefield, but still deficient for crew served battalion, tank and brigade fire support. This time they learnt their lesson and planned to standardise all fire support on the .30-06 Browning M1919 - the Royal Armoured Corps had already standardised on this weapon and there was little reason not to adopt it for infantry battalion ops, replacing the Vickers - the ammo supply chain was already in place. In all these tests the smaller round got marks for accuracy (less recoil and flash) reduced carry weight / size and production costs. When you're buying rounds by the billion the reduced quantities of propellant, lead and brass become significant. The Boers prized their 6.5mm Krag Jorgensens and used them to great effect, so there was battlefield experience as well. So why did we pass on an intermediate round three times (1908, 1931, 1951)? It seems the real failure of the intermediate round in the 20thC wasn't the round itself, which was liked, it was the failure to develop a support fire machine gun in a larger calibre, and accept two supply lines of ammunition. A policy that failed as the support fire MGs (BESA, Vickers, Browning M1919) were underpowered, compromised as they were to work with infantry rifle rounds. They also failed because by 1939 the British Army had .supply chains for 303 rimmed, 7.92x57mm for the BESA, .5cal for the Vickers Heavy (light tanks and AA), 15mm for the big BESA and .55 for the Boys anti-tank rifle. They would add .30-06 for lease lend tanks by 1942. If we had gone with 6.5x55mm or .276, for individual weapons (rifles and LMGs), accompanied by a bigger round in the 8 to 15mm calibre for crew served fire support / CoAx MG / light AA, plus anti-tank / materiel rifle we'd probably still be using them today. But we don't hear as much about the 'prefect' fire support round as we do the 'perfect' infantry round. Yet that's the one that's missing.

[@TheClicksterGif]

how many times are we gonna get recommended these videos when they drop from cold war

[@Volunteer-per-order_OSullivan]

US: Nothing less than 30.cal Also US: adopts anaemic .223

[@leftyeh6495]

Tell you what. I'll shoot M193 ball and be 800M away with iron sights. Would you stand down range? Anemic it may well be, but humans are generally very fragile and even an anemic wound tends to put them out of the fight. 99% of the argument for larger calibers would be put to bed if we just used a good hollowpoint or soft tip expanding bullet to get a larger than 7.62 wound from the 5.56 diameter. Only need armor penetrating when you're fighting an enemy with armor.

[@CaptainGrief66]

@@leftyeh6495 They'd still keep going with their "hurr durr muh .30/.45 Cal bettur" argument anyway or tell you to man up, it's just a little weight more than usual. Guys thinking we still fight WWI and soldiers don't move around most of the time.

[@bruensal7182]

@@Maple_Cadian yeah but 7.62 can do things a 5.56 cant do. İts a whole different story with 7.62, if you can control the recoil its superior

[@bruensal7182]

@@Maple_Cadian i am an infantrist and i am using 7.62. Of course the average conscript/enlisted will need some training, but i think its definitely controllable. Everything is about training and some momths of concentrated training are mostly enough. And the 7.62 has 150-200m higher effective range and is just more powerful. İt can pierce trees or even some walls whilst a 5.56cant

[@bruensal7182]

@@Maple_Cadian we as professionals in TUR Army always prefer the 7.62 because the variety of jobs we have. One day its about patrolling in a town, another dau about cleaning up some mountains. On 200+ meters a 5.56 loses its effectivity really fast, while 7.62s do penetrate everything even then. İ never had the opportunity to use intermediate stuff but i think it is a nice mix. The 6.5grendel now or 280brit back then would have been good options. İ just think heavy bullets are the most important thing but intermediate calibres could be nice

[@Ensign_Cthulhu]

I have a sort of techno-crush on this rifle, and have had for years. This is the ONLY firearm that makes me want to live in a place where full-auto self-loaders are legal. I find it fascinating and ironic that a lot of the work the US did with intermediate cartridges as a result of Iraq/Afghan war experience post 9/11 ended up in much the same place as the .280 British started, and that in turn was not far off the place the .276 Pedersen was. The shame of it was that the EM-2 did not take well to the 7.62x51, while the FN FAL (originally designed for the .280 British) did.

[@wierdalien1]

jsm666 only took them 70 years

[@mememan2404]

@@hakimcameldriver From Wikipedia "It is chambered in 7.62×51mm NATO cartridge (although originally designed for the .280 British intermediate cartridge). The British Commonwealth variant of the FAL was redesigned from FN's metrical FAL into British imperial units and was produced under licence as the L1A1 Self-Loading Rifle."

[@skwid715]

wow season 5 been out for 2 days and this video already found it’s way to my recommended

[@martialme84]

02:54 Serious props, ian. Your German weapon designations are most definitely improving! Thank you sincerely for giving a damn about getting things properly right.

[@artfact2]

Yup. Love these things!:O:D Also, Ian, exceptional camera positioning and editing on this one, well done and thank you for another look at these.:)

[@TheRustylungs]

If this weapon had ever been issued can you imagine the beg,trade,borrow,steal the average squaddie would have done to get the "para version"

[@skepticalbadger]

Rusty lungzs And then promptly get put on a charge for cutting his barrel down ;)

[@dulls8475]

You are issued your weapon and that is it. Its not a cigarette card with a footballer onit ffs....

[@calebmillen7428]

I don't know why but i have a thing for bullpup rifles.... But awesome video as usual gun Jesus

[@darthtruk7206]

Caleb Millen I'm the same way.... Just something about them for me... Makes the pants get tight

[@baker90338]

STAHP. GET SOME HELP.

[@jgedutis]

Caleb Millen I like the way they look, but I would not want to have chamber that close to my head in case of failure. It reminds me of the old helicopter designs where the blade is below the standing pilot. Everything is great unless there is a problem, then you get eaten by the blender.

[@impguardwarhamer]

regular guns are easy, the challenges in designing a good bullpup make each different attempt more unique and interesting

[@coltthemac962]

Gun Jesus 😂 that’s the best,

[@yeetergriffin1586]

I find it funny this just came out in the new call of duty game and this video was recommended

[@eivsleiv368]

Same lol

[@lokidogproductions1289]

I love the bullpup designs. Thankyou for sharing!

[@LupoSenpai]

Such a shame that the US decided to force all the other NATO members to use 7.62x51 for their battle rifles and thereby completely neglecting any kind of research concerning assault rifle ammunition during or after the war as well as stomping projects like this

[@TheGM-20XX]

More like US ordnance and Springfield Armory.

[@bushyfromoz8834]

Goes along with them politically dismantling the british aerospace industry

[@Karibanu]

@@CountArtha Harriers ( Sea ) are only used at the carrier deck handling school, Tornados are out of service very soon - still use the Typhoon which is about as british as the Tornado ( ie, a european aircraft ). The space program was cancelled when NASA said they'd launch British satellites for free - which they went back on as soon as the program was cancelled. Most of the UK mil aerospace industry was wrecked by Duncan Sandys in 1957 who thought missiles would do everything - he was right, just 100 years early.

[@DmdShiva]

@@bushyfromoz8834 Don't forget the job the US did on AVRO Canada when they convinced the government that SAMs were the air defense for the future, and then sold them inferior interceptors after the Canadian government had cancelled the Arrow, which basically gutted AVRO Canada.

[@bushyfromoz8834]

Sean true, forgot about the AVRO. The F111 stitchup as well, promised a lot and never delivered. But like the F35 program in some ways

[@pessimistmaximus5731]

I've always loved the look of the "grenade shaped left hand grip", the ambidexterity problem wasn't really there since everybody was forced to shoot the Lee Enfield right handed anyway.

[@kevkfz5226]

Ian loves this gun. Can't believe he came to the uk and didn't do some meet and greets or some lectures. Great content as ever.

[@GVBiggs524]

Those Lee Enfield SMLE rifles in 303 were some awesome rifles, I had one that had been manufactured in 1917 and it shot like a brand new rifle and was incredibly accurate! Wish I still had it!

[@zerskillz2076]

I'm gonna start watching every video on this channel to see which possible upcoming cold war guns will drop

[@burnt_graphite]

I 100% guarantee I saw this man in a Stockholm airport about 2 weeks ago

[@ForgottenWeapons]

Well, I was in the Stockholm airport 2 weeks ago...

[@Thinkle911]

Watched the Dersetech 7.62MDR Teardown video yesterday: "You have this dismantle tool. then you unscrew this screw, this screw, you turn this locking element,..." and so on. And then there is this gun. Practically is it exactly the same, but 70 years older and way more user friendly.

[@BjornTheWombat]

I wonder if that first trials .280 ammo hadn't been shoddy if the US would more open to intermediate rounds earlier.

[@notahotshot]

U.S.: "No."

[@n147258noah]

Definitely not. They denied .276 Pedersen solely based off 30-06 inventory back slightly before WW2. The Garand was apparently an amazing rifle (if still heavy) with a 10 round magazine in .276. Their determination was 'all or nothing' in the end, and so even though they COULD have had two different main ammunition calibers, it was determined that it MUST be 30-06 or nothing. Hell, this is part of the reason the Pedersen rifle was denied and Garand adopted-the Pedersen was only .276 while Garand was available in both for testing.

[@Sturdy_Penguin]

That black hole in the background is a hole that Jonathan Ferguson is using to keep an eye on you to see if you mishandle his beloved EM-2 rifles.

[@Inferi_Sententia]

I love how this perfectly lines up with the warzone battle pass with this weapon available to play with

[@VCYT]

It should of been called the -- 'E-M 2 Good'

[@casinodelonge]

And don't get me started on the TSR2

[@afilleduptaco]

casinodelonge ah the story of the best military aircraft made by Britain that was destroyed by politicians

[@54356776]

Or the Avro Arrow (Canada) the p.1127, the Miles M.52 ect. Not to mention the space program, aircraft industry and just about anything that can be scrapped and given to our friends over the pond.

[@BatteredWalrus]

Eh I've spoken to some of the engineers on from the plane; it was a bit of a white elephant by the end of that project's existence. Though the knowledge gained did bear fruit when it came time to design the Tornado

[@cympimpin20]

Good Lord that is a hell of an advanced rifle for being developed just after WWII. It took decades to work back up to recognizing a lot of these ideas as valid. Can you even imagine how military rifle development would have occurred had this been adopted?

[@kenricnarbrough8191]

Such a superb looking rifle. Plus, what a mental barrel length for infantry! Thanks Ian & Ares.

[@3loirdsa277]

I love your channel, and especially the fact KZbin algorithm work perfectly with it. Every time new weapon are introduced in COD Cold War or Warzone or MW, KZbin directly recommend me the video from your channel talking about it. And I love it. Merci beaucoup.

[@bobbysuegaming9188]

Every time a DLC weapon gets added to Cold War, I get a Forgotten weapons video on that weapon recommended to me

[@derpyzmayhem420]

I know its kinda sus

[@theterminatordude]

Came back to this video because this gun will be released on Cold War.

[@stephenmurphy5204]

And the Americans adopted the Armalite a few years later because the m14 was junk. Now in 2021 America is looking at 7mm short rounds. The em rifle is still not obsolete.

[@beyondtheborderlands12pre-68]

Why is it that every time Cold War gets a new weapon I get a video from this guy and it the exact gun in Cold War

[@DodgerRoger]

Very nice video, I've read several documents on the gun but not had the chance to check it out irl; I enjoyed the impartiality you give to the commentary and details! Top stuff! :)

[@Ashfielder]

Such craftsmanship. Mmm.

[@spooky15]

Imagine shooting an FAL and an M-14 in the same sitting and proceeding to choose the m-14 lmao

[@MrBombphoon]

The Royal Armouries is great, well worth a visit. It's mostly swords and armour but they do have a lot of interesting stuff on display to the general public.

[@54356776]

There's another in Portsmouth with all the Navy weaponry, I need to get there one day.

[@dogsnads5634]

If you write to them and ask nicely....you can get access to the special bit beneath the main building....the National Firearms Centre...which used to be known as the Enfield Pattern Room...

[@roofkirin4725]

KZbin recommendations, you never disappoint.

[@DK-nv9zu]

Have always been curious about these rifles. Thank for the video!

[@Nuggie_butter]

How do the videos only surface after the weapon comes out in cold war

[@woobharb]

The KZbin algorithm gives me this video once it gets added into Cold War

[@bagasprihangg]

aaaaaaaaaaaaaaAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

[@flashers.5212]

Always interesting & always well presented especially for this Brit🇬🇧.

[@TheRubberman13]

Thank you for the info sir, I will keep this in mind in warzone

[@jamesbussey2911]

We used to have a really innovative post-WWII aircraft industry in Britain as well. The EM2 compared to the Lee-Enfield is like the Avro Vulcan compared when it took over from the Avro Lincoln (improved version of the Lancaster) bomber 😪. Funny old thing: the British were the first to use 5.56mm AR15 rifles in combat in the 1962-66 Borneo Confrontation with Indonesia. It was an RAF Regiment liaison officer who suggested to the USAF Security Police to adopt that same rifle to defend USAF bases in Vietnam (and also adopt light armoured vehicles). 🤔...the US Army later adopted that rifle for their soldiers in that theatre of operations, and the rest is history.

[@gabeisdumb4545]

Cold War Devs just watched Gun Jesus during it’s entire development

[@StellarMaki]

This happens every new weapon drop in cold war istg lmao Literally told myself while playing today "im probably gonna get a forgotten weapons video on this thing"

Awesome rifle! Someone make a new version of this :)

[@LordInter]

Hagge Bänke it's called the SA80 la82 😜

[@docr8197]

Hardly a clone 😧 I'd love to see an updated (cnc receiver etc.) Ambi eject would be easily acheived with a topsided eject mod to the bolt and flip flop eject port......🤔 I WANT TWO IN DIFFERENT CAL. AND MY OWN OPTICS 😎 YAAAAAAA

[@ManDeLorean9]

The first thing I thought when I saw this gun is it looks like an early version of the SA80/L85 lol. Thank you for clarifying they're not related Ian. Love your videos

[@iKaBanana]

Ian, your Galil and EM2 videos are about to get more views than usual

[@HelduikerJon]

Funny how I always get recommended videos from Ian about new Warzone guns, no matter how old the Forgotten Weapons vid is. Nice tho... very informative videos man

[@lsdzheeusi]

Hoping for the day when Ian will give us a "LET ME SHOW YOU ITS FEATURES!!!"

[@assasin9872]

KZbin recommended me after 4 years Bcz cold war also released em2 Wow utube algorithm

[@SuperLegionnaire]

Fired this weapon in the seventies at Upavon (school of infantry) Impeccable,utterly perfect.

[@milkapeismilky5464]

LOVE POTION RIFLE NO. 9! Almost elegant wooden furniture, the weapon has a steampunk feel to it. Wasn't aware of this rifle.

[@Bert2368]

The mystery of why so many have determined the "sweet spot" for efficiently killing white tail deer sized mamals (people fall squarely into this category) is right around 6.5 to 7mm/.25 to .28 inch, 125 grains, 2500fps... And so few of the optimum cartridges were fielded by militaries after WWI. 6.5 Swede was almost there, all that was needed would have been to optimize that case as was done to derive the 7.62 NATO from 30-06, you have the resolution of all these trials. Could have been done 100 years ago, SHOULD have been done 60 years ago, might the military finally get it right this century? The requirements for a medium machinegun are just too high energy for a select fire intermediate type individual soldier's weapon, the 7.62 NATO was a square peg driven into a round hole for political and logistics reasons. The 5.56 NATO was a temporary patch that metastasized to nearly as inappropriately take over the slot a 6.5-7mm should have filled in the light machinegun/selective fire roll.

[@johnnunn8688]

Interesting that a guard was added to the mag release, as that had to happen to the SA80A1.

[@ECcR0]

This video is about to get a lot of views..

[@lhabubu]

I haven’t touched Cold War in like a 6 months and this popped up in my recomended

[@CowboybubPercussion]

I saw the EM2 at cody firearms museum IRL, absolutely astonishing!!!!

[@mobean]

i was just looking for a class setup..

[@GoPenGo]

Hilarious how often Forgotten weapons shows up after a new cod cold war season lol.

[@poolboyque]

Call of duty is just adding stuff found on forgotten weapons

[@davidtyson477]

I like how the second this weapon comes out in Cold War this video shows up on my recommended

[@bruceinoz8002]

There were some interesting cartridge developments in this caper. One of these was the 7mm, "second optimum". This is VERY close to the MUCH later, commercial, 7mm / 08. Venezuela adopted it in their initial FAL order but these were, apparently re-barreled in later years to 7.62 NATO. From the "nothing new under the sun' department, the Remington 7mm BR case is quite similar to the later version of the 280 round, the .280 / 30. This has much the same dimensions as the .280 "proper", but includes the more robust, thicker rim of the 7.62 NATO, hence ".280 / 30". I note that the Brits borrowed G43 extractor retention system, but appear to have improved on the original retention system that seems to have been more of an "extractor disposal" system. H&K also "borrowed", via the STG45, the same extractor idea, but certainly used a more positive spring / retention design.