Exploring the full X-MEN Timeline including Legion and Gifted

[@AbitofEverything4U]

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[@FUFUCarnagerap]

DoaFP was the worst rape of a good Comic Book I ever saw! The things they changed made no sense and Bryan Singer said some really stupid stuff in his Interview about this Movie!

[@AbitofEverything4U]

I do agree that the movie can't touch the comic story, but I did still really like the movie. As for Singer...that dude is a mess of issues. Lots of problems with him.

[@SaveDareDevil-Mx]

Agreed lol Bryan Singer is just omL but we do gotta acknowledge that a lot of actually passionate people were working to offset the silly things he was doing wrong in a lot of these movies, not enough to make them good adaptations, but enough to make it a fun alt multiverse story😹(aka KevinFigie & KeHueQuan)

[@SaveDareDevil-Mx]

Anywho lol on a much less controversial note😅ummm 36:39 ^why can’t this mean that Deadpool then happens in 2004/3? It would line up with Logan’s quote of no new mutants have been found* (not born), since 2004. & would also give the young 2nd-class/2nd-gen/darkphoenix-team a bit more time to age into their 2023 older looking versions. Not to mention it would even poetically have it so that the New Mutants get introduced after the last time we chronologically get to see the young actors playing the young versions of the 2nd-class/2nd-gen/darkphoenix team Plus that way it wouldn’t cut in-between Deadpool 1 & 2 as well, less important but still^ {Also Deadpool having died even earlier in Cable’s 1st future (say maybe in 2030) doesn’t change the fact that Cable can still say he is very much dead 50 years from 2016 or 2003 cuz either way even if Cable hasn’t lived to see past 2054 he can safely assume that if Deadpool for sure died in say 2030, he’s would most likely still be dead by then}

[@AbitofEverything4U]

​@@SaveDareDevil-MxI'd be okay with that timeline. It's kinda hard to explain why Deadpool 1 is happening 14 years prior to it being released when nothing in the movie seems to indicate that, but then again, the entire timeline is confusing. So I'd be down with that placement...i mean, why not...it seems to fit. Good suggestion!

[@krzyszwojciech]

35:58 - 2054 works fine imo. Deadpool's comment about 50 years in the future seems like he chose a random large number and Cable merely played on that number. If Deadpool dies, let's say in 10 years, Cable's response -"50 years from now you're very dead." - still makes perfect sense.

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Now that's a great point! Okay, maybe I do like 2054. I've honestly never seen anywhere else using that date, so it's cool we've found the real answer after all this time!

[@krzyszwojciech]

@@AbitofEverything4U I've never seen this before either. And the fact that it was cut out from the movie still makes me want to be careful not to fall into assumptions. But I guess it's the best we've got as of now.

[@LeonSchall]

Wanted to suggest the same, think that actually works!😊

[@lw1391]

The joke's on you because Deadpool is "living until 102 and then dying, like the city of Detroit"

[@SaveDareDevil-Mx]

@@AbitofEverything4Uohhh nvm someone already brought this up & u answered lol🙏Feel free to disregard my comment or update us on ur thoughts about it all given the new points i brought up to how it actually helps to maybe place deadpool in 2003😹

[@themarvelanddcmarshlands]

Awesome that you included Legion and The Gifted on the timeline breakdown, they both normally get snubbed anytime someone discusses the Fox X-Men franchise

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Yeah, those two series are alot of fun...especially Legion. What a wild and trippy ride from start to finish!

[@nailinthefashion]

I was SOOOOO happy to finally see Polaris, I forgive everything about the show tbh. And Legion is just really good, I can’t believe it wasn’t more popular but I think having it on an obscure channel didn’t help

[@AbitofEverything4U]

​@@nailinthefashion 100% agree on both of your points. Well said!

[@MotivationalGrindForLife]

@@AbitofEverything4Uyes!

[@AbitofEverything4U]

@@MotivationalGrindForLife

[@themarvelanddcmarshlands]

6:54-Yeah, X-Men Origins: Wolverine causes multiple issues, but there ARE 3 slight possibilities: 1. Beast had managed to make an updated version of the serum to allow him to walk 2. The Professor X that Young Cyclops sees is an astral projection 3. There have been a handful of times in the 60s comics where Xavier was able to use metal braces on his legs to allow him to walk (60s comic logic)

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Those are some good ways to solve it. I definitely think we can find an answer that works for Wolverine Origins and also explains how he was walking in the 1986 flashback in Last Stand.

[@njeffries]

Putting the X-Men movies and shows in timeline order? You're a braver man than me haha

[@AbitofEverything4U]

lol! Yeah, it is not for the weak at heart.

[@WhiteRaven696]

About Blink; in the comics, she’s Bahamian. AKA Caribbean Black. Only in The Gifted and Days of Future Past is she depicted as East Asian. So that is also a suggestion that it takes place in the same timeline.

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Good point! Thanks for sharing that!

[@jeremymorris345]

I really like your explanation about the stones being different in different universes therefore different rules. It's like a cop out that is backed by the rules of the series.

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Yeah, it feels like that infinity stone solution could work. I'd love it if Marvel gives us an official answer. ig another possibility is that the means of time travel make it work differently. So the Avengers used the quantum realm, but perhaps Cable's device uses a different means and thus doesn't create a branch.

[@e3xhernandez359]

6:51 I think Xavier’s appearance in Origins could be a mental projection and he’s just chilling in the helicopter

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Niiice! I'd definitely take that answer as a very good explanation.

[@loudboy317]

One problem with that is Cyclops is blindfolded. He wouldn't be able to see Xavier whether if he's a projection or not.

[@AbitofEverything4U]

@@loudboy317 Very good point...so in that case he would have to communicate with Cyclops via telepathy, I suspect.

[@gibbings5534]

Cool that members are getting early access now!

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Very happy to try to find ways to say thanks for your awesome support!

[@DarthTingleBinks]

Honestly, having both Warbird and Blink in both The Gifted and Days of Future Past dealing with the increasing threat of the Sentinel program adds a lot of history to the Future Past versions of those characters. Even if that's the only time we see those actors together.

[@jorgecarbajal8076]

Quick correction: Warpath appears in Days of Future Past, and Thunderbird appears in The Gifted. In the comics, they are brothers.

[@DarthTingleBinks]

@@jorgecarbajal8076 You know, I had a feeling that wasn't the right name. Turns out I combined the two and came out with another Captain Marvel name.

[@AbitofEverything4U]

I agree...I love the connections with Blink and with Warpath and Thunderbird. Very cool!

[@chadwickmyers7226]

I also think strykers mystique eyes are that (if we assume she somehow knows that strikers the one who experiments on logan with adamantium) shes there to pose as stryker to claim logan, that way when mystique leaves theyll end up giving his body to the real stryker who will realize he has an opportunity to experiment and thus shes ensuring logan ends up in the hands to end up metal as he should be, kind of like staying 2 moves ahead playing chess making sure the military knows stryker wants that mutant and thus making sure logan lands right in the real strykers lap

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Great theory! I like that!

[@robbyb3ll4s]

40:36 I think the main thing with Logan is that it originally was going to be its own universe because of the giant implications (no more mutants being born after 2004). By the time they started finishing the script for the movie with the continuity, Fox and Mangold probably realized how good the film was. They also knew they could get a X-23 spin-off out of it and such so it became canon to the revised timeline. Hugh was probably right at some point.

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Right! I think it was going to be its own thing and thus Jackman's quote was accurate when he said it, but then they decided to tie it in more closely to the X-Men timeline(s) and then to even have New Mutants use the footage in their movie. So it went from no connections to a massive number of connections. Wild stuff!

[@nailinthefashion]

Thats probably one of the reasons they pivoted so hard into the multiverse, getting X23 in asap is a great move since it leads to a better New Mutants movie/show

[@AbitofEverything4U]

@@nailinthefashion Yeah, X23 was great. Hope we see her again!

[@CalicoEvrywerigo]

I love the idea of Lorna Dane coming to the MCU with Evan Peters

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Yeah, that actress was excellent as Lorna Dane!

[@LeonSchall]

Just got into the X-Men movies and series a few weeks ago (after I finished every main MCU project). This really helped me to watch them in the sort of right order and connect all the dots. Thank you!😇

[@AbitofEverything4U]

That's awesome...so glad that the timing worked out for you. Hope you enjoy watching the movies. Lots of great ones in the X-men universe!

[@driveasandwich6734]

The 2054 date for Cable’s future does not contradict the 50 years line, because if Cable knows Deadpool is dead 36 years in the future, he knows he would have already died 50 years in the future.

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Oh...now that's a very good point. Okay, maybe I do like 2054 after all! Niiiiice!

[@Merione]

Great job, as always! Thank you for this early access as well. It's awesome to have them a bit earlier than usual! Speaking of the video itself, I think it all fits very well, so I don't have much to add. The thing I wanted to talk about is that passing comment that you made at around 22:00 on your theory of different Infinity Stones with different rules for different universes. As we said time and time again under many other videos, I totally agree, and I think I might have a new small piece of evidence to confirm it: every time a new universe is created, the six Singularities "break", so they cannot be reused to create a new one! This requires a comprehensive explanation, so sorry in advance for the long comment. You should be used to it by now haha! Right this morning I was rereading the first chapter of the timeline book, about the distant past, and from both that, the Collector explanation in GotG, and the opening of the Eternals movie it's pretty clear that, when a new universe is created, the exact sequence of events is: 1) a Celestial, who for the MCU is Arishem, creates the "first sun", which I believe is a poetic way to reference the Big Bang (it cannot be the actual Sun, because both the timeline book and the opening crawl of Eternals place this "first sun" before the Infinity Stones and the universe itself are even created) 2) from the Big Bang, the six Singularities are created (again, both the opening crawl and the timeline book agree on this point) 3) the universe sparks into existence (as the Collector said in the GotG movie, which is also referenced in the timeline book) 4) the "remnants" of the Singularities after the creation are then forged into "concentrated ingots", aka the Infinity Stones (confirmed again by the Collector and the timeline book). From this sequence, there are two important observations that can be immediately made: A) In order to create the Singularities, and therefore the universe, a Big Bang is needed, and the Big Bang is caused by the actions of a Celestial. This means that every time a Celestial causes a Big Bang, a new set of Singularities is formed. B) (And this is the important one!) After the universe is created, the Singularities seemingly break (I believe that it's likely this breaking of the Singularities that releases the energy needed to actually create the universe), and their "remnants" (to quote the exact word used by the Collector) are what's later reforged into the Infinity Stones. This implies that, after the universe is created, the Singularities are now shattered, making them unusable for a second universe. But we also know that there isn't just one Celestial out there. There's many of them, and new ones are still being born to this day (Tiamut is the best example that we know of). And if all of these Celestials each causes its own Big Bang, then this will cause multiple sets of Singularities to be formed. Then each set of Singularities breaks, therefore creating multiple universes, each with its own set of Infinity Stones, just as you theorized. QED. Theory confirmed haha! Plus, this also naturally explains how is it possible that different sets of Infinity Stones can have different rules: the timeline book says, quote: "[The Celestials] use their ability to manipulate matter and energy to construct suns that make life possible on other worlds" (page 12). The creation of the Big Bang is a direct result of the Celestials' ability to manipulate matter and energy, but it's never explicitely said that there's only one way of doing it. The Celestials are a sentient race, and each Celestial might put their own spin in this process. In other words, this "manipulation" process is not something mechanical that happens every time in the exact same way. It has to be done intentionally by a Celestial, a sentient being who has its own will and desires. This means that they have agency over how the process is conducted, and thus over its outcomes. Probably Arishem likes time travel to work as Hulk explained, and so he manipulated matter and energy so that it works that way, but maybe the Fox Universe was created by a different Celestial, who instead prefers time travel to work in a more Back to the Future kind of way. Both are possible, and it only depends on the specific way in which each Celestial likes to manipulate matter to create its own Big Bangs. What do you think?

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Wow! I love it! I agree, that's a very good way to describe the creation of each universe and in particular, why the infinity stones can form differently each time a new universe is formed. You summed it up really well when you said it depends on the specific way each Celestial manipulates the matter to create its own Big Bang. What a great breakdown the technical reasons for the unique versions of the infinity stones for each alternate universe. Bravo!

[@themarvelanddcmarshlands]

20:08-X-Men: Apocalypse kind of fixes this a little bit, in that movie she is rescuing mutants and then once they are safe, leaves to look for more. I think it's plausible that she finds Wolverine in 1973, saves his life and then parts ways later down the road, and by the time we get to X-Men: Apocalypse, Logan has now been recruited by the real Stryker

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Niiiice! Okay, that works out really well, tbh. Thanks for sharing that theory!

[@bruhmaster6950]

Especially considering the 10 year gap

[@AbitofEverything4U]

@@bruhmaster6950 Exactly!

[@jorgej.cruzhernandez9247]

Charles could be in Cerebro chilling while making everyone see him walking around, or go somewhere with Eric, or appear in front of Raven at the airport, or control an helicopter pilot and make you think its himself. He could even transfer his consciousness to another body (not necessarily his twin's) and make you see him as you remembered him🤷🏽‍♂️

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Excellent solutions to the question of how he's walking again. I think those would all work!

[@jorgej.cruzhernandez9247]

​​@@AbitofEverything4ULogical solutions. We talking about the most powerful telepath. Sometimes I feel like folks don't even realise what he is capable of, even if it's shown. In DOFP, he uses Cerebro to appear in front of Raven at the airport, standing, but then y'all question why he is standing at the end of Wolverine origins.... I mean...🤦🏽‍♂️

[@AbitofEverything4U]

💯

[@falconnoise65]

Since Sam Wilson Captain America is said to be making a new avengers team you should do a video on who you think the new team will consist of

[@AbitofEverything4U]

That's a great idea...I definitely need to do that!

[@__Soya__]

This is really good expcept you're missing a few Deadpool projects. 9 Deadpool shorts, Once Upon a Deadpool, and The 'Pool Log. 1. How Deadpool Spent Halloween 2. The 'Pool Log 3. Deadpool's Empire Magazine Infomercial 4. Deadpool: Touch Yourself Tonight 5. Deadpool: Touch Yourself Tonight; For Her 6.Deadpool: Cat'astrophe Averted 7. Deadpool: No Good Deed 8. Deadpool: Wet on Wet 9. Deadpool 2: Eur Missing a Country 10. Deadpool 2: Don't Skimp on the Powder 11. Once Upon a Deadpool

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Great additions to the list. I wasn't sure if those were considered canon or not, but I'm really glad you mentioned them!

[@iraford5788]

I dont think any of those are canon.

[@__Soya__]

@@AbitofEverything4U All the ones I named are canon. The only ones that can't be considered canon are the ones that take place in real world which is why a few shorts are left out. They wouldn't be canon if they were just posted on the Ryan Reynolds youtube channel but they're also posted on the OFFICIAL 20th century fox youtube channel. Also Deadpool: No Good Deed was played before Logan in theaters and Once Upon a Deadpool is a direct sequel to Deadpool 2.

[@__Soya__]

@@iraford5788 👆

[@AbitofEverything4U]

@@__Soya__ Niiiiice! Hopefully they'll add them to D+ at some point!

[@themarvelanddcmarshlands]

20:38-So, slight thing here, Xavier only has the "Welcome back." line to Logan in this context LOGAN: "You did it." PROFESSOR X: "Did what? Logan, don't you have a class to teach?" LOGAN: "A class...to teach?" PROFESSOR X: "History." LOGAN: "History? Actually, I could use some help with that." PROFESSOR X: "Help with what?" LOGAN: "Pretty much everything after 1973. I think the history I know is...a little different." PROFESSOR X: "Welcome back." LOGAN: "It's good to see you again, Charles. It's good to see everyone." PROFESSOR X: "Well, I had a promise to keep. You and I have a lot of catching up to do." LOGAN: "Yeah." PROFESSOR X: "What's the last thing you remember?" LOGAN: "Drowning." So, by Logan bringing up 1973, that's him realizing.

[@AbitofEverything4U]

ig for me it seemed like it was Charles realizing Logan's mind had snapped back into his 2023 body in the new timeline. Charles said his line right after Logan realized everything since 1973 seemed different. So it was Logan's original 2023 mind snapping back into his new 2023 body and Charles understood what that meant. But I agree that Charles' line isn't super clear.

[@yukikid2195]

@@AbitofEverything4UI personally take it as Charles remembering when Logan came to him in the “new” past and realizing Logan FINALLY remembered, due to his mind coming back to the new 2023. He’s basically welcoming an old friend, who he’s been friends with for years. Even longer than Logan knew, prior to his mind coming back.

[@AbitofEverything4U]

​@@yukikid2195 I could see that being the explanation. And perhaps Charles then read Wolverine's mind and that's what allowed him to be able to discuss the original timeline during the Logan movie.

[@yukikid2195]

@@AbitofEverything4U OH WOW. Good point on that last call. You really are THE WATCHER😂

[@AbitofEverything4U]

​@@yukikid2195 That would be so much fun to hang out with the Watcher for a day!

[@iraford5788]

This was a really great detailed breakdown of the xmen timeline cant wait to see how it continues in Deadpool and Wolverine.

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Thanks for the positive feedback. Yeah, this made me all the more excited for Deadpool and Wolverine!

[@CFunk99]

41:13 Xavier: "[The Spider-Men] are waiting for you at the Statue of Liberty." Logan: "The Statue of Liberty was a long time ag- wait, who the hell are the Spider-Men?!"

[@AbitofEverything4U]

lol! Nicely done!

[@SpFlash1523]

LOL. Imagine if Deadpool or Professor X tells Logan that in Deadpool 3.

[@AbitofEverything4U]

@@SpFlash1523 lol...indeed!

[@pizzatime1146]

Perfect timing as always. Just about to start watching the Men films in preparation for Deadpool and Wolverine. This will surely help me with watching in order.

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Awesome! Hope it helps. I've been using this order to watch the movies with my son and it's worked out well for us.

[@chadwickmyers7226]

I don't take Xaviers "Welcome back" as him seeing the original timeline too I see it as when they were in the 70s he knew that Wolverines consciousness was from the future (our present) and so when that whole crisis/event ended he and the past consciousness of wolverine have lived the 50 years up to now, while wolverines present consciousness just blinked right back to the present so I see his welcome back as more of a "welcome back present consciousness that i havent spoken to in 50 years" hes smart enough to know "this mustve been the day he was sent back to set us on this path and so hes (mentally) back from that journey to the 70s and thus he says welcome back to a friend he hasnt seen in 50 years, as far as his references to the original timeline in logan, I think anything he knows of the original timeline would have 100% come from him reading/viewing logans memories post logans wake up, as i just dont feel it makes sense for Charles to Magically have the memories of a future self that never ends up happening, i will however say maybe in his weakened semi dimentia state in logan hes recalling visions he once read in logans head post DOFP or is even accidentally reading logans memories in those moments presently like the statue of liberty moment

[@AbitofEverything4U]

I like your explanation. I agree, it makes more sense for Xavier to have read Logan's mind to learn about that earlier timeline. I do in fact mention how Xavier talks about the previous timeline when he was experiencing his dementia. I thought that was a really cool touch!

[@TheShockwave1138]

The line Xavier has about, “they need you at the Statue of Liberty” actually has a double-meaning! Logan immediately writes it off as, “no, you’re just thinking about that time in 2003, take your meds and go to sleep.” (Side-note: maybe an alternate version of the original trilogy movies still happened in this timeline, and we never got to see it?) But also… the sign of the motel where X-23 and the nurse are hiding at the time features… that’s right, the Statue of Liberty on it!

[@AbitofEverything4U]

​@@TheShockwave1138 How cool...what great point!

[@yukikid2195]

Dude, youre doing the watchers work. Love ya 🤘🏼

[@AbitofEverything4U]

LOL! Yep, with Stan Lee gone (RIP Stan) the watchers need a new informant!

[@themarvelanddcmarshlands]

11:54-Yes, his twin brother, it was confirmed in the commentary for X-Men: The Last Stand, I believe they talk about it either right before or during the post credit scene

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Perfect...okay, so that explains that potential plot hole. But then it raises the morality issue of taking over his brother's body. Ugh!

[@themarvelanddcmarshlands]

@@AbitofEverything4U Oh, absolutely, and it also adds a different angle to his teaching scene earlier where he brings up video of Moira and a very similar scenario, asking if there was a married father of 4, would it be morally correct to place his consciousness into this man, who had a perfectly healthy body, but was basically braindead.

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Exactly!

[@winnyscloset]

⁠@@AbitofEverything4Ualso raises the question was the twin brother crippled also? And also how does he still have his powers, if he put his mind into someone else’s body, wouldn’t that body not have the same mutation?

[@AbitofEverything4U]

@@winnyscloset I agree...sooooo many questions about that post credit scene!

[@CA8IN8MU8IC]

Something I've just come to accept with these movies is relative canonicity. As it progress we are just seeing a possible outcome of the events of a past movie. With Future Past and Logan for example, the discrepancy between Jackman and Mangold can be explained by thinking that Future Past is canon to Logan, but Logan is not canon to Future Past. It's how I've kinda reconciled the 616 fiasco as well. Theyre two seperate multiverse in which the MCU is in the comics multiverse but the comics are not in the MCU's multiverse, so they can both be 616

[@AbitofEverything4U]

That's certainly one way to make it work. In the end, I think each person's own viewing order should be the one that brings them them most enjoyment. So your suggestions work great if that's how you view the timeline as occurring. As for Jackman vs. Mangold, my guess is that at one point Logan was going to be disconnected and thus Jackman gave that quote. But over time Mangold seems to have changed his mind, because it sure appears like he wanted to connect the movie back to the other timelines. It's all pretty wild stuff. That timeline is about as messy as they come, but at least the movies were awesome...well, most of them. : )

[@Jake-dm4rk]

Hey I'd like to point out in days of future past Hank says he takes enough serum to keep his powers balanced, meaning his intelligence stays but his feet go. But he says charles uses too much to block out the voices. So if he also stayed balanced like Hank, he could theoretically use his powers and walk. BTW I can't wait to get to the legion portion. I just started watching it.

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Great point...yeah, I'm becoming more convinced that the serum does solve the issue of the Professor's legs. Thanks for sharing your insight on that!

[@justkarmo]

I was just searching for this video two days ago and now it's here! It isn't the first time that a video that I needed has been uploaded to your channel some days later haha. I love this channel so much

[@AbitofEverything4U]

That's so cool! I was hoping it would be the right timing for a video like this. I've been re-watching the movies with my son in prep for Deadpool 3, so it was perfect timing for me as well!

[@kadegetslaid634]

Hell yes love early access, ive wanted a video like this for ages!!!

[@AbitofEverything4U]

It was alot of fun to put together. Many, many different opinions on how the timeline should look, so I tried to give some credit to all the different theories out there.

[@Shakes_The_Clone]

Just starting video. This is going to be a good watch. I have no idea how you’re going to straighten all this out.

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Yeah, it wasn't easy. Not sure I pulled it off, but I sure tried!

[@davidrobinson1737]

Another great video! For years and years people have been trying to cram the movies all on one timeline but you did great separating them!

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Thanks so much for the positive feedback on the vid. Yeah, I really like the timeline laid out like this. It just makes sense to me that way. Thx again!

[@franciscogarciaraigal6401]

Hey, I just stumbled upon your channel while researching to create my own timeline. I am planning to create an stylized timeline whith all the paths and loops and stuff. Your sheet with all the movies is exactly what I was looking for, thank you so much for the work, its amazing!!

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Awesome...so glad you found it helpful!

[@mayo4660]

We really need that, the timelines are so confusing. I already watched multible videos explaining it, yours is the longest, most detailed and most comprehensible!

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Thanks...I really appreciate it!

[@ketulamin4550]

best explanation of the X-Men universe out there !

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Thanks so much...I really appreciate the positive feedback!

[@saeedayman1389]

I love this channel and really appreciate the effort you put. So many marvel geeks out there, but not many do (try) to tie things together and explain what’s going in with that level of attention to details. Keep it up man, already my favorite channel ✌🏼

[@AbitofEverything4U]

That's so nice of you to say. I really appreciate the positive feedback. Yeah, I'm a died in the wool nerd and so my vids definitely land deep on the the geekdom spectrum. So it's always nice to hear when a fellow fan enjoys them. Thanks so much...truly appreciate it!

[@jaxan0277]

Just wanted to put this out there for X-Men Origins: Wolverine; For the end when Professor-X shows up, my head cannon has been that in that moment he is an apparition or psychic projection. We know he can do this, we've seen him do it before. And since he was presumably off this medication in 1979, this works easily. I even rewatched this exact scene to make this assertion and he never physcially interacts with anyone. So I think this works, let me know what you think! I just saw that other people have also considered this in the comments, but I wanted to still add it here.

[@AbitofEverything4U]

I love that idea. I think that's an excellent way to resolve the issue!

[@nexusbeholder4105]

Great job with the timeline! I am trying to map it out myself and noticed the Red Hook easter egg and was going to include it after Dark Phoenix, but since I've only seen Season 1 it's good to know Charles' timeline doesn't add up with the Original or Revised Timelines. Speaking of Charles, the rest of Beast's quote about Charles taking the serum is interesting. He says that Charles takes too much. So if he was at a proper dosage, he could have his powers (probably not the full extent) and walk. So after 1973 in the Original Timeline, he probably realized he needed to cut back and that led to what we saw in Origins and The Last Stand. And then sometime before the first movie he realizes the benefit and need of having full use of his powers and gives up his legs. In 2023 (Original Timeline), Charles says he was a very different man in the 1970s, so he obviously had a lot of natural character growth since then. When you were talking about Dark Phoenix's ending, I thought of a quote I think was said by Simon Kinberg. Basically that a direct sequel would've tied up all the loose ends to explain how Jean was at the end of Days of Future Past. One of the many plans for Dark Phoenix that never happened, but would've done so much good for the timeline. One thing I disagree with is how time travel works. I agree that the Infinity Stones are different in each Parallel Universe like you said. However, I still believe the Fox X-Men Universe branches. In Days of Future Past's ending, the characters all just disappear and seemingly relocate, indicating a shift. Well, that's not really evidence, as that could be visual for both branching and erasing. The real stinger is one you (no offense) looked over. If the Original Timeline is truly erased, how did Deadpool (in Deadpool 2) go back and kill Weapon XI from Origins? That obviously didn't happen in the Revised Timeline, so he must've traveled through branches (like the Avengers did to get back from the branches they made to their original timeline) to get to Origins and back. Just something to point out there. Overall, great job on the video! You gave me some great new perspectives, especially with Legion and The New Mutants' placements. Keep up the good work! 👍

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Awesome feedback! I like your suggestion for solving the Charles issue. And that's cool to hear that about them wanting to resolve the Dark Phoenix storyline. Bummer we never got that movie. As for the time travel, yeah, you do have to wonder about how Deadpool jumped into that timeline if it had been erased, but in a way we know he didn't go into the original movie's timeline or it would have altered the earlier movie. So I assume maybe he went to a different version of the timeline to kill that deadpool? So confusing, tbh, but also such a great gag! But anyway, loved your feedback. Thanks for sharing your thoughts on the vid!

[@nexusbeholder4105]

@@AbitofEverything4U Thanks! And thanks for reading it all lol; you're the best! So sad we didn't get to see the Dark Phoenix sequel or the rest of the New Mutants trilogy. They could've done so much for the franchise! At least in concept; they were slacking a bit on execution. And yeah, I'd imagine if both timelines exist and we make the Revised Timeline a branch (and really DP2 a branch of that branch lol), then traveling back to Origins and killing Weapon XI would also create a branch. So confusing like you said, but it kinda works lol. Maybe they'll address some of that confusion in Deadpool & Wolverine, I don't know. Thanks again for responding, as always! Keep up the good videos! 👍

[@AbitofEverything4U]

I would soooooo love it if they try to explain the timelines and potential branching from DOFP and DP 2 during the DP&W movie. You would year me shouting for joy in that case!

[@Had_Me_At_H4l0]

12:31 What I like to think is that he projected how he looks into peoples minds like how Jean made her self look like an old man in Dark Phoenix. I don't if that's right but that's what makes sense to me lol

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Yeah, that makes sense. Good solution!

[@alexdacostagarcia4395]

Awesome vid, man. Gotta admit, I didn't really like your videos at first, but I've been growing into it, to the point that I don't miss a single one lol Keep it up!

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Thanks so much for the positive feedback. Glad to hear the vids have grown on you over time. Yeah, my vids are definitely not as flashy as many of the larger YT-ers and likely don't seem as interesting to new viewers, just like it was for you as well. If you have any suggestions for improvements, let me know as I'm always open to feedback. Thx again!

[@liammarshall5047]

Man. You really put in the work on this one. Really great video dude. Totally agree with your take. Everything you said makes perfect sense and clearly cleans up the whole mess. I can now sit down with my Son and watch it in the right order so it'll all make sense to him. Thank you.

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Wow...thanks for the positive feedback on the vid. Yeah, I can say first hand that I've been watching the movies with my son in this order (first time viewing for him) and he's really enjoyed it. Hope you have a great time with your son!

[@roxannemacgown3251]

something to mention is that Polaris actually appears in X-Men: Days of Future Past (The Rogue Cut) she also appears in the normal cut but not for as long and Scarlet Witch gets mentioned

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Great point! Yeah, I really hope we get to see Polaris when the X-Men get rebooted in the MCU. And it would be so nice to see the Scarlet Witch hanging out with the X-Men as well.

[@nerd5948]

Amazing breakdown. I always had a hard time understanding the whole timeline. But you made it easier to understand ❤

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Yeah, it sure is a tricky timeline. But I do think it fits together fairly well, with only a few bumps in the road here and there. My son and I are watching the movies in timeline order (his first viewing) and he's enjoyed it alot.

[@JuTwice]

Really appreciate you for this vid man continue making some like this

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Thanks! Yeah, I had alot of fun putting that timeline together!

[@HunterX05]

My headcanon for the Xavier walking and using his powers in flashbacks +Origins but only powers in the not so distant future is A: Hank figured something out with the serum to allow for some power use(remember it was originally made to help *control* his own mutation) and B: Charles eventually built up a resistance/immunity to the serum before the events of the original trilogy

[@HunterX05]

This is also my explanation for why Logan didn't just have him taking the version of the serum that suppressed his powers(aside from the obvious implication that Beast is probably dead)

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Excellent theories...I agree, that would explain it perfectly!

[@agoodboy2150]

Excellent breakdown as always! I always love how deep you go towards proving the rights and wrongs about the various theories and how they line up. These timelines are not always neat, but you seem to break them down in a comprehensible way unlike any other!

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Thanks...I really appreciate the positive feedback on the vid. Yeah, the X-Verse has one crazy timeline, but I think it fits together pretty well in the end...with a few speed bumps here or there. 😆

[@isaiahmarquez7819]

Even tho i watched all the movies and generally get how they connect with each other,my friend has just watched them in order to prepare for the new deadpool and was confused so this video helped him understand better and also helped me understand too lol

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Thanks for sharing that...I'm so happy to hear it helped. Yeah, it sure helped me to put everything together in a timeline like that. Can't wait to see the movie in a few short days. I think it will be an awesome tribute to all the X-Men movies!

[@TheShockwave1138]

Re: The “Stryker” at the end of DoFP, I think it’s explained well in the following movie. In Apocalypse, after she saves Nightcrawler, Mystique doesn’t seem interested in anything beyond that, to paraphrase her, “I saved his life, what he does with it is up to him.” So to me, she impersonated Stryker to pull Logan out of the river, saving him, but then once he was out, she just let him leave on his own. At some point later, Stryker and Weapon X still got their hands on him, a story we’ll likely never get, but it would have happened at some point after early ‘73.

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Niiiiice! Okay, I'd be fine with that. Still weird that she's pretending to be Stryker, but I agree, that line seems to solve the mystery.

[@conbest1030]

Great video as always sir! However, I would argue that the 'not-too distant future' captions are more in reference to the previous scene shown, which in both cases were scenes set in 'the past' (1940s in the first X-Men, and 1996 in The Last Stand)

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Oh wow! Nice theory. I've never heard that suggested before, but I like that idea!

[@conbest1030]

@@AbitofEverything4U I absolutely can't get enough of timelines, and yours are so well crafted and thought out! Really gives me hope that the nerds prevail. What would you say in response to Xavier saying that "Scott and Jean were among [his] first students" if they joined the X-Men seven years apart (in the original timeline)?

[@AbitofEverything4U]

I'll be sharing a timeline update that may well solve that very issue. More to follow on that!

[@Jake_Made_This]

For anybody who has seen Legion, even though it isn’t marvel related, Fargo is made by the same showrunner and it is a phenomenal crime anthology

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Oh, wow. I didn't know that. Thanks for sharing that trivia!

[@BlueMarsalis]

​@@AbitofEverything4UHe will also be doing the Alien Series.

[@AbitofEverything4U]

@@BlueMarsalis Awesome!

[@MrElizTutorials5678]

I love your videos!!! Love the amount of detail you put in your videos!

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Thanks so much...I really appreciate the positive feedback!

[@Geekmann]

36:05 I think Cable saying "50 years from now, you're very dead" can indicate that Deadpool died before that time, so Cable is sure that he is "very dead" later on. If Deadpool dies in 2030 for example, he is still dead in 2068 as well. I don't think the dialog means Cable has to be from 2068 necessarily.

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Niiiice! Okay, I'll buy that. I do like it being in 2054 based on that behind the scenes footage.

[@MomentoHeroico]

The Gifted fits completely. New Mutants would be set in 2026 because of Logan's file, plus Dani can only see memories, not visions of the future, that is established in the movie, another thing is that Dr. Reyes says she went to save them, maybe after the incident of the doctors releasing the children, it makes sense that they now want to experiment on the rejected teenagers. In Legion something curious is that they mention the name change of Mumbai, as you say they always use real historical events to establish the time, so I think it would be connected with the Dark Phoenix event which also occurs in the 90s. I hope you understand what I’m trying to say.

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Excellent feedback. So in regards to New Mutants, are you referring to this line from Reyes: "To save you! If it wasn’t for me… you all would’ve been dead a long time ago!" I'm not sure what she's indicate here, tbh. Perhaps it is in reference to the vision Dani had. I do like the idea of the New Mutants taking place in 2026, but on the other hand, the director of the movie said they were originally planning for a trilogy, so it seems in that case it would fit better in 2017. But I really don't like the idea of Dani's visions being of the future as that seems very odd. Man, placing that movie is so frustrating. As for Legion, it looks like that name change for Mumbai was in 1995, so that's another of the many references that make placing that show so hard. My biggest issue with it being in 1995 is that it means Charles couldn't have had David until the 1960's, since there's no way that David is older than his early 30's. And that seems like a long time after WW II for Charles to have had David. But I'm very certain that the show is not tied to the main X-Men timeline as nothing about Charles backstory matches the backstory of Prof X in the X-Men timeline. Craziness. New Mutants and Legion are both so tricky.

[@DICE2626]

Wow… that was a fantastic breakdown. You made it so understandable 😭😭😭

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Thanks so much...had a lot of fun putting it together. Really appreciate the positive feedback!

[@justaperson0848]

Looking forward to watching this! Wanted to let you know that as of today (I think), X-Men '97 has been added to the MCU Multiverse Saga part of the Marvel heading on Disney+. It's not in the complete timeline so it seems they're cementing X-Men '97 as not Sacred Timeline but definitely as part of the multiverse. Eager to see how the two universes will interact.

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Great catch! I immediately tweeted and posted on that. Thanks for noticing it and letting me know. I don't look at that section often enough. Very cool!

[@coolerkerl8469]

Thank you so much! I started watching The Gifted just because of this Video and I've watched only the first four Episodes so far but I'm already so hooked and excited to see where this Show is going! Omg I already this Show so much after 4 Episodes! 😮

[@AbitofEverything4U]

That's so great to hear. Yeah, I had alot of fun watching the gifted. It was a good show and kept me hooked to the very end!

[@coolerkerl8469]

​@@AbitofEverything4UI just finished season 2! What an Incredible show! I can't believe we never got a third season after that ending. Just wow! Thanks for doing this Video without this I probably would have never watched this show cause I didn't even know about it.

[@AbitofEverything4U]

@@coolerkerl8469 Awesome...so glad you enjoyed it. I agree, I'm really bummed we didn't get a season 3, but I still loved the show none-the-less. Very glad the video let you know about it so that you could watch it!

[@shawnsin666]

To break the X2 1994 time frame is the iconic song Bye Bye Bye is plays for a second which came out in 2000

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Yeah, I have definitely found that no matter how hard we try, the X-Men timeline is impossible to fix in a way that addresses all of the issues. That said, we could just say that Bye Bye Bye came out at a different point in time in the X-Men universe if the 94 placement works better. Things like a song debuting are helpful timeline hints, but don't always end up being definitive. In fact, you might find this video interesting, as it gives some great reasons to put X2 in 1994: kzbin.info/www/bejne/lZ-Xm6aBoLF0ncU.

[@Lanosrep]

37:06 Not necessarily. If Deadpool is "very dead" in 2054, its reasonable that Cable will assume that he is still dead in 2068

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Excellent point! Okay, perhaps I should go with 2054 instead. I'd be down for that!

[@SaveDareDevil-Mx]

36:39 Oop wait, Y can’t this mean that Deadpool then happens in 2004/3? It would line up with Logan’s quote of no new mutants have been found* (not born), since 2004. & would also give the young 2nd-class/2nd-gen/darkphoenix-team a bit more time to age into their 2023 older looking versions. Not to mention it would even poetically have it so that the New Mutants get introduced after the last time we chronologically get to see the young actors playing the young versions of the 2nd-class/2nd-gen/darkphoenix team Plus that way NewMutants wouldn’t cut in-between Deadpool 1 & 2 as well, (😅less important but still lol) {Also Deadpool having died even earlier in Cable’s 1st future (say maybe in 2030) doesn’t change the fact that Cable can still say he is very much dead 50 years from 2016 or 2003 cuz either way even if Cable hasn’t lived to see past 2054 he can safely assume that if Deadpool for sure died in say 2030, he’s would most likely still be dead by then}

[@AbitofEverything4U]

That's a cool idea. I'd be down with the Deadpool movies happening earlier in the timeline. The X-Verse has such a crazy timeline and it feels like a bowl of spaghetti at times, so there are likely many ways to straighten out the spaghetti. Hmmm...now I'm hungry for spaghetti.

[@SaveDareDevil-Mx]

@@AbitofEverything4ULmao i love how u accidentally (or maybe low key purposefully) made a whole spaghetti-fication reference right there🤣u’re the best even when u don’t mean to be

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Too funny! That's what I get for making the comment right before dinner!

[@ahmedsohail6191]

I was waiting for this. Addicted to your content. Appreciate all the effort you put into your videos. Lots of love from Pakistan.

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Thanks so much for the positive feedback. I really appreciate that. And sending love right back to you from the USA all the way to Pakistan!

[@Mac_Spector]

it's kinda cool that despite the timelines' inconsistencies and retcons, there's one element that stays a constant, and that is none other than Hugh Jackman's Wolverine

[@AbitofEverything4U]

I totally agree… The timeline may be a bit of a mess, but the stories are so good. And of course, Hugh Jackman is the rockstar as wolverine!

[@markdarc0448]

Man really great video. I really loved all the great insight. But before I get into the video itself I want to touch on my thoughts on this being an early release for members. Obviously I missed the early access lol, but even as a member, I really dont think these videos should be given early access to us. When a video is done, I personally believe that everyone should be free to enjoy your content all at the same time. I'm not a big fan of a temporary paywall behind some of your videos. But thats just my 2 cents, im sure other members may feel differently. 1. WOW. You know everyone gives this timeline a hard time (frankly because it's trash, incredibly confusing and full of plot holes) but man I never realized how they had so so many real world connections. This franchise that struggles more with continuity is doing better at relating to the real world then the mcu is now. Thats awesome I'm really glad you touched on that. 2. I was really surprised to hear all the connections in Logan. And while I personally dont believe it I think theres a really strong case to be made that it's actually in the original timeline not the revised one. After all couldn't another name for the program wolverine was in, in the original timeline just be weapon X, and the dude who's dad died was at the power plant? Doesn't matter too much but with all the references to the original timeline and barely one for the new timeline it makes me wonder. 3. Cmon dude, Red Hook being a town that exists (even if its his incident and not the one in dark phoenix), saying "Legion is a part of the X-Men universe" and very frank "Yes, its connected" by the show runner and you still dont think its canon? You choose the one quote that says it's not canon, by Loeb? you minds well choose the Gifted quote that says "its its own universe" at that point lol. There's way more evidence suggesting it is then isnt imo. Plus theres no reason that Professor X couldn't do all that off screen right? I mean again come on the dude infamous for being in a wheelchair can get up and walk around, die and come back but he can't have a kid and join the military off screen? Again I wanna be clear this isnt hate, totally love you dude. and totally respect your beliefs. Just find it personally really odd that you go "heres all the reasons its canon, even with the show runner saying it is" after going "heres how to explain all these plot holes in this whole universe" and then you go "oh this has a plot hole I can't even try to fit it in, and we gotta go by this one specific quote saying its not canon" Love you, love your stuff just found it really odd.

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Great feedback on whether I should do early releases. Yeah to your point, I won't do it on all of vids, but I may do it on a few here and there. So your comments on it were very helpful. 1. I agree...it's really cool just how many real world events the X-Men films reference. 2. Logan is so darn hard to place. I think I like it better in the revised timeline, but you make some good points for it being in the original timeline. 3. The main reason I was saying Legion wasn't part of the X-Men timeline is that Xavier was a child living at home during WWII in X-Men: First Class, but was an adult fighting in WWII in Legion. So their storylines are very different. Plus, I haven't found any quotes from the creatives regarding Legion being canon to the main timeline and instead found that everyone said it isn't. The other questionable entries (New Mutants, Deadpool, Logan, and The Gifted) all had a mix of quotes. Some said they were canon and others said they weren't. But in all cases Legion was said to be it's own thing. So that's why I put it outside the timeline, fwiw. Thanks as always for the awesome feedback!

[@markdarc0448]

@@AbitofEverything4U thanks for the clarification on legion, I apologize if that came off kinda rude. That makes much more sense and I must’ve misunderstood what you meant. But didn’t you show quotes of the creators saying it’s connected but they won’t go into any detail of how? I might be mistaken there though. Xavier being a kid in ww2 vs fighting in it, is a big change that makes a lot more sense and even with the iffy continuity that’s a pretty dang bad mess up if it’s connected. Definitely a good reason to think it’s not.

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Oh, right...there was a confusing quote where they implied it's connected but wouldn't say how. I kinda disqualified that one, since it was pretty wishy-washy. I wish the creative teams were more clear when they speak to reporters!

[@markdarc0448]

@@AbitofEverything4U fair enough

[@AbitofEverything4U]

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[@krzyszwojciech]

6:22 - Maybe one way to explain it is that Xavier doesn't exactly lose the powers, but has issues with them. Maybe they are diminished or less reliable and don't always work, so he eventually opts out of taking the treatment?

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Yeah, that sure seems to be the case. Perhaps in 1973 he lost his powers completely (i.e. during the DOFP movie), but by 1979 and X-Men Origins Wolverine movie he had gained them back to some extent. I think it can work.

[@krzyszwojciech]

16:00 - the part obfuscated here is that chronologically, this pitch came first: let's do a story before Days of Future Past; then came the reality of writing and production, where they concluded (14:32) they are doing their own thing. If someone wants to make these fit, they are free to, but IMO the intention of the creators is clear and these are two separate timelines. One apparent contradiction seems to be that in the Gifted the mutants were widely known to the public [apparently] earlier than in the movies. But I would have to rewatch the movies to make sure whether anything is really inconvenienced by this.

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Ooops, sorry for not including the dates for those quotes. Honestly, Nix was all over the place with his quotes: The Cinemablend story is here: www.cinemablend.com/television/1683930/where-the-gifted-fits-into-the-x-men-universe and is dated July 21, 2017 The cbr.com story is here: comicbook.com/marvel/news/the-gifted-showrunner-matt-nix-interview-opens-up-about-the-not-being-allowed-say-wolverine-magneto-x-men/ and is dated August 21, 2021. So it seems he gave the quote about The Gifted being part of the original timeline after he gave the initial quote about it being its own thing. However you are right that he then gave the quote in Heroic Hollywood here: heroichollywood.com/gifted-fits-x-men-universe/ and it's dated September 29, 2017. So his quotes were honestly all over the place. Sigh.

[@krzyszwojciech]

@@AbitofEverything4U Oh, I wasn't addressing the dates of the articles/interviews, but some presumed dates for what the quotes referred to in real life. Sorry if it wasn't clear. The quote about the pitch (~let's have a story that happens in the window before DoFP) must refer to the earliest stages of conception behind the project - what they intended/hoped for in the very beginning. Therefore the other events must have come after that. After the pitch they have eventually started to write and produce the series. And at some stage of that development, whether because of the story they ended up with or other factors, they have apparently decided it is in its own timeline (the other quote about doing their own thing). In other words, the quote about the pitch doesn't really have any bearing on the conclusion they came to later on. And I'm not sure the quote by the actress should take precedence over the creators. "We could fit" is really vague anyway, as if designed to give hope to the fans who'd like this to be true.

[@krzyszwojciech]

@@AbitofEverything4U One weird thing about those interviews is that it seems like Nix changed his view on how the timelines or time travel work... In one he says the initial pitch was that his show will be erased by DoFP time travel. In the other he says DoFP established the existence of many [time]streams - as if the time travel act caused a split.

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Okay, I'm following now. Although, it's weird he would bring up the story about the pitch for how to make it fit in the original timeline if he had already decided it wasn't connected at all. It's just a weird set of inconsistent interviews, tbh. Ugh. But I still like it in the original timeline myself. Nix was right that it fits really well.

[@ironboylegend485]

Hey do you recommend watching logan before deadpool 2? Since in deadpool 2 literally right at the beginning wade spoils something that happens in the future aka logan and might surprise a new viewer.

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Great question...I'll be discussing that in my next video on the recommend watch order for the multiverse. More to follow soon!

[@schulbus13]

I just finished watching The Gifted, now I finally can watch the corresponding part of this video. Did you ever do a more detailed video about the show by any chance?

[@AbitofEverything4U]

That’s a good idea… I should consider doing a full breakdown of the show. All I’ve done so far is look for the timeline hins and the connections to the larger X-Men timeline. But the show itself was really good and has lots of Easter eggs and other topics to discuss. Excellent suggestion!

[@jakeproven256]

Given how in Logan, Wolverine has the samurai sword, and the flashback in the beginning of the Wolverine is set in 1945 (before trasks assassination was prevented) means that, the opening scene still happened in the new timeline, tells me that at least a version of the Wolverine happened in the new timeline. Heavily altered sure, but at least a version.

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Great point! Yeah, I agree, portions of The Wolverine must have happened in the revised timeline. Excellent feedback!

[@JulianRog]

I haven't watched the video yet because I want to avoid spoilers, but in which order would you recommend watching the X-Men movies for the first time?

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Great question. I'd suggest: X-Men: First Class X-Men Origins: Wolverine Legion, S1-3 (note that this is a separate timeline) X-Men X2: X-Men United X-Men: Last Stand The Wolverine The Gifted, S1-2 X-Men: Days of Future Past X-Men: Apocalypse X-Men: Dark Phoenix Deadpool New Mutants Logan Deadpool 2

[@BigBaldandBeardiful]

Ahh I see you answered my New Mutants question from the Multiverse Timeline video here in this video. Lol my bad, saw that video first. 👊😁

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Oh, no problem. This one was alot longer, so the other vid was low-hanging fruit!

[@pipology]

Wolverine didn't travel back in time. He phased his mind, his body stayed in the future

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Good point! Yes, I should have said it like that. Excellent clarification!

[@Z51K1NG07]

I know I have commented before on another video: I contend that the First Class Timeline is its own thing and Shadowcat didn't send Wolverine through time but through another universe. Its the only way to explain the huge differences between the Original & Revised Timelines. The Wild Card is Deadpool "cleaning up the timelines". So the order would be: - Origins: Wolverine (which could be in its own universe) - X-Men - X2: X-Men United - (X-Men: The Game explains the gap between X2 - The Last Stand) - X-Men: The Last Stand - The Wolverine - The Future settings of DOFP - Wolverine comes back to the Happy Ending where everyone is alive which erases The Last Stand and some of X2 at least - Logan *Then we go into the First Class Verse* - First Class - Past Settings of DOFP - Apocalypse - Pheonix - Deadpool 1 - Deadpool 2 *Deadpool starts cleaning the timelines which erases Origins which could in effect erase the original timeline which causes him to be targeted by the TVA in Deadpool 3

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Very creative timeline! I will admit, I used to think there were alot of huge differences between the Original & Revised Timelines, but I feel pretty good about the issues having solutions. Really, the "15 years ago" line is the only sticking point and I consider that similar to the infamous "8 years later" line in Homecoming, in that it just has to be chalked up to being wrong. So I feel alot better about the timeline in the vid than I originally did. What do you feel are the biggest issues that haven't been addressed yet? And thanks for all the great feedback. I truly appreciate it!

[@Z51K1NG07]

​@@AbitofEverything4U So I feel our views on the Timeline are the most friendliest discussions that could compared to politics/religions. I consider all of the Fox Marvel Films to be in one universe. Evidence I am citing for it is The Extended Cut of the 2005 Fantastic Four keeps the Wolverine Easter Egg with Reed changing his face to resemble Hugh Jackman instead of a Heroic Chin in the original/theatrical version. Added factor of Jennifer Garner's Elektra appearing in Deadpool 3 means that the Daredevil & Elektra are at least connected to the X-Men films albeit if its in the Void. So far nothing to confirm the other Pre-MCU Marvel Films like Blade, Hulk, Ghost Rider, or Punisher. But who knows what else Deadpool 3 or Secret Wars will throw at us. In my own timeline I have I label the FOX films as FOX Marvel Universe or FMU and I have them in a What If? like category. After the Infinity Saga, I kick off the Multiverse Saga with Loki Season 1 MULTIVERSE PHASE 1 MCU Series Loki | Season 1 MCU Series "What If... Hela Found the Ten Rings?" MCU Series "What If... Captain Carter Were the First Avenger?" MCU Series "What If... Peter Quill Attacked Earth's Mightiest Heroes?" FMU Film X-Men Origins: Wolverine SSU Film Spider-Man MV - Film Daredevil FMU Film X-Men FMU Film X2: X-Men United SSU Film Spider-Man 2 MV - Film Elektra SSU Film Spider-Man 3 FMU Film Fantastic Four FMU Film X-Men: Last Stand FMU Film Rise of the Silver Surfer MCU Series "What If... Killmonger Rescued Tony Stark?" MCU Series " ""What If... the World Lost Its Mightiest Heroes?""" MCU Series "What If... Iron Man Crashed into the Grandmaster?" MCU Series "What If... Happy Hogan Saved Christmas?" FMU Film The Wolverine MCU Series "What If... T'Challa Became a Star-Lord?" MCU Series "What If... Nebula Joined the Nova Corps?" MCU Series "What If... Doctor Strange Lost His Heart Instead of His Hands?" MCU Series "What If... Zombies?!" MULTIVERSE PHASE 2 MCU Series Loki | Season 2 FMU Film X-Men: First Class FMU Film X-Men: Days of Future Past FMU Film X-Men: Apocalypse FMU Film X-Men: Dark Phoenix SSU Film Madame Web SSU Film Amazing Spider-Man SSU Film Amazing Spider-Man 2 FMU Film Fant4stic FMU Film Deadpool FMU Film Logan SSU Film Venom SSU Short Spider-Ham: Caught in a Ham SSU Film Spider-Man: Into the Spider-Verse FMU Film Deadpool 2 MCU Series "What If... Ultron Won?" MCU Series "What If... Thor Were an Only Child?" MCU Series "What If... the Watcher Broke His Oath?" MCU Series "What If... Captain Carter Fought the Hydra Stomper?" MCU Series "What If... Kahhori Reshaped the World?" MCU Series " ""What If... the Avengers Assembled in 1602?""" MCU Series "What If... Strange Supreme Intervened?" I placed the What If episodes based when their respective MCU Film or setting would have taken place. The Phase 2 is based on the end of Loki Series and having the Multiverse start playing fast & loose with the rules. I still stand by my argument that between Wolverine & Deadpool time travelling/universe jumping they erase Origins, parts of X-2, probably all of The Last Stand, and pretty much 97% of Deadpool 2 since Vanessa lives. If youre curious, here is my view of the Muliverse Saga Phase 3 MULTIVERSE PHASE 3 MCU Series WandaVision MCU Film Shang-Chi and The Legend of the Ten Rings MCU Series The Falcon and The Winter Soldier | 1.01 - 1.05 MCU Short Peter's To-Do List MCU Film Spider-Man: Far From Home MCU Series The Falcon and The Winter Soldier | 1.06 MCU Film Eternals SSU Film Venom: Let There Be Carnage SSU Film Morbius MCU Film Spider-Man: No Way Home SSU Short The Spider-Within: A Spider-Verse Story SSU Film Spider-Man: Across the Spider-Verse MCU Film Doctor Strange in the Multiverse of Madness I don't like throwing Eternals in the middle of the Far From Home>No Way Home but I'm trying to find a balance between what's chronological and best for viewing order for newcomers. Your stuff is great and I find my self checking your stuff before I make a ruling on my own stuff.

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Wow...great stuff! Sorry for my delayed reply, but that was really cool how you laid it all out. Love chatting about the timeline with fellow Marvel fans!

[@WhiteRaven696]

How hard would it have been to say Charles was puppeting his own legs with his powers? They literally have both versions of Jean do it to him. 😭 He could’ve stopped doing it because he realized he was living a lie or something dumb.

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Interesting suggestion. I agree...that would have worked. I do wish they had tied things together in a cleaner fashion, but I give them credit for at least acknowledging the issue and giving it an attempt at fixing it.

[@dave0001100]

It’s because Charles only has Telepathy. Jean grey has Telepathy (mind control) and Telekinesis (ability to manipulate objects with mind). Charles can only read and control minds. Since he isn’t a Telekinetic he can manipulate objects or his own body like you suggest

[@WhiteRaven696]

@@dave0001100 Charles has telekinesis. It’s weak so he rarely uses it. It’s gotten a significant upgrade in recent comics.

[@AbitofEverything4U]

@@WhiteRaven696 Thanks for explaining that!

[@HunterTheHero]

What about Deadpool & Wolverine? I know that they ignored the events from Logan, so I imagine that since it's in the MCU, I imagine that it's in a different timeline.

[@AbitofEverything4U]

I really do hope they give us a firm answer on that when the movie arrives. It seems Deadpool 3 is 5 years after Deadpool 2, based on the trailer shown at CinemaCon, so it does seem to be firmly tied to the existing X-Men timeline. But we'll learn more in a few months!

[@yungKaution100]

Loved the video, great timeline breakdown. You have a new fan in me. One thing I would say is Cable could be from 2053 because he tells deadpool "your very dead in 50 years" that could mean by 2053 hes already dead, so if you are counting 50 years ahead he would have been dead for a long time. Which is why he says "Very dead". Just a idea

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Great point! Makes perfect sense. Thanks so much for watching the vid and for sharing your feedback on it. Truly appreciate it!

[@BlueMarsalis]

Something also to consider that I just mulled over now, I think X-Men (2000) through Origins contain no continuity errors. Similarly First Class through to Phoenix also contain no major continuity errors. Looking at it this way it seems pretty clear that First Class was indeed a soft reboot as originally touted, only referencing a version of the original Trilogy and Origins, but not their exact same continuity.

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Good feedback! I do think the original movies (X-Men thru Origins) had a few continuity issues, such as the 15 years statement with Wolverine that is so hard to reconcile with the original trilogy happening later in the timeline. Granted, First Class made the situation worse with the fact that Xavier was paralized in 1962 but was walking during Origins in 1979. But I think that DOFP came up with the fix for that (i.e. the treatment Xavier was taking), so thus it was trying to fix that earlier issue. So I do like having DOFP connect the two timelines. But if you feel First Class was a reboot, I think that's a perfectly fine answer as well, since the timelines are pretty wonky and it's hard to find a definitive answer to address everything. Thanks for watching the vid and sharing your thoughts. Really appreciate it!

[@robbyb3ll4s]

38:34 where does Green Lantern fit into the canon? Is it canon to the original timeline?

[@__Soya__]

It's an in universe movie. Just like how we know superman is a comic character in the MCU thanks to Eternals.

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Great answer from @__Soya__. I like the idea of it being an in-universe movie. Also, it may have been on a different branch of the X-Men universe as Deadpool was jumping all over the place.

[@AbitofEverything4U]

@@__Soya__ Love that answer. Niiiice!

[@hunterterrell5735]

I hope that Paradox and the TVA help at least slightly how this timeline works. Great video as always.

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Good point...we're counting on you to help us understand all this, Paradox...don't let us down!

[@hunterterrell5735]

@@AbitofEverything4U also prompts for using that entire info for New Mutants I would have never figured that out myself

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Yeah, that movie is a tough one to place!

[@wilpeek1184]

X-Men: Apocalypse explicitly states that it's set in 1983 because of the title card at the beginning, which you forgot to mention.

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Oh, great point! Yes, I should indeed have mentioned that. Good catch!

[@nuvjoti]

Doesn’t the Wolverine take place shortly after The Last Stand? I haven’t seen the movie in years but I thought Logan was morning the loss of Jean in the beginning of the movie. Feels like it’s a few years later at most.

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Great question. So it's interesting that it was Wolverine telling Scott he should move on after X-Men United, but then it was Wolverine who couldn't move on after X-Men Last Stand. I think the difference is that Logan had to kill Jean himself in Last Stand, so that was even more painful for him. And so it may be that even years later he still has nightmares about having to kill her. The reason I think The Wolverine fits better closer to DOFP is because Magneto and Xavier call on Wolverine to join them and Magento says "There are dark forces, Wolverine. Human forces, building a weapon that could bring about the end of our kind". It seems that if the movie were closer to Last Stand (i.e. 2007-2008 timeframe) then it would be a really large gap between the time he's recruited to the time that DOFP occurs in 2023. If The Gifted is truly part of the original timeline, then it fits very well to have the movie in 2013. In The Gifted, the X-Men are "absent" during the timeframe of 2017-2018. So if The Wolverine is 2013, with the epilogue in 2015, it makes sense that the X-Men are "absent" in 2017 as they are likely on secretive missions to find out what's happening with the Sentinels. Anyway, all just guesses on my part since The Wolverine doesn't give us any solid clues, but it just feels like it fits better if it's later in the timeline (i.e. 2013) and that Logan is still traumatized by having to kill Jean several years back. Thoughts?

[@SunnyC247]

Nice timeline analysis. Regards to Wolverine's "15 years" plot hole, I assumed that they were referring to event that happened sometime after X-Men Origins and before X-Men 1, not the event of Origins. Origins movie was meant to be a series of origin movies of characters, where there were plans for Magneto, Professor X, Gambit, etc. so it's possible that Wolverine met Stryker again sometime after Origins (even though, he should technically be court martialed), which could have took place in 1988, for another planned/potential Origin movie (maybe, X-Men Origins: Professor X).

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Interesting theory about the Origins movie and the 15 years line. Yeah, I wonder if there were other plans for follow-on movies that ended up getting scrapped.

[@JohnSmith-jh6ey]

38:03 And mystique is noticeably absent sure the real world reason is probably just jlaw not being available for such a minor scene but hey it works

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Good point!

[@darthdragonborn1552]

I actually have Deadpool 2 after Logan in watch order, because not only does the very beginning of dp2 spoil the end of Logan, but I have cable coming from the same shitty future as Logan. So it’s dp1, Logan, then dp2, cable goes back in time and they fix the future which then also makes Logan never happen, which makes the ending of the whole thing less depressing.

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Oh wow...that's a cool way to look at it. ofc, ig that means DP2 is happening post 2029? But still, I really like your idea. Thanks for sharing that!

[@timprimetal5380]

@@AbitofEverything4U I believe they're saying this: 2016: Deadpool 1 2018: "Original" Deadpool 2 before Cable comes in 2029: Logan 20whatever: Cable's future, goes back in time to 2018: Deadpool 2

[@AbitofEverything4U]

​@@timprimetal5380 Interesting. Okay, I'd be down for that. It seems abit confusing to explain, but then again the entire timeline is confusing. lol!

[@DriftmadefromN]

21:49 Haven't seen Loki in a fair bit, but I thought that they stated that just time works differently, and it's got nothing to do with the stones. Just different realities have different rules. I mean both theories are practically the same thing I just thought that this was confirmed but I could be wrong. Anyway good, good video I need this to watch me Deadpool & Wolverine in like a week lol

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Good point! Yeah, in Loki they definitely implied that time just works differently, so the explanation may be as simple as that. But I do kinda like tying it back to the infinity stones since they control how a universe functions. Just a theory on my part though. Thanks so much for watching the vid and sharing your feedback. Glad it helped you prepare for DP&W. Gonna be such a good movie!

[@girlwithoutafairy]

Maybe the treatment Xavier was taking was similar to Velocity 6 in some Flash stories, where it would have caused him to lose his powers over time but not all at once. Similar as well I guess to how Superman slowly loses his power over time when exposed to red starlight. Ot maybe he built up resistance to the side effect or something idk

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Good theories...I agree, there's a few possible ways to make it work. Thanks for sharing your thoughts on it!

[@zacksnydersjusticeleague2992]

But how did Deadpool go back to X-Men Origins where that isn't even on the same timeline?

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Yeah, that's the question of the hour. ofc, Deadpool also knew about Logan's death before it occurred, so he's just special. lol. But a possible answer is that Wade jumped to a different branch where that scene wasn't re-written by the DOFP events. I mean technically speaking, if Wade jump into the actual Wolverine Origins movie, it would have ofc changed that movies outcome. So it's hard to know what's going on when Wade's involved! 🤣

[@MrTanokki]

Excellent breakdown! My only disagreement is that I (having never checked the calendar) would have put New Mutants closer to Logan, maybe around 2027 or 2028 just before the Westchester Incident. I figured that would be far enough along for Dani to see visions of the X-23 project and for them to think they could join the X-Men, although it assumes they never make it to Westchester before Xavier’s meltdown. I also figure that if Fox was still making these, they would have wanted to allow for the New Mutants and Laura’s X-23 mutants to run into each other (maybe with some of the Deadpool cast like Cable, Domino, and Firefist) in a big crossover fight against Essex/Mister Sinister. Still, you make a pretty compelling case for 2017!

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Yeah, I personally like 2026 timeframe better. I just don't know what do with that "no new mutants for 25 years" line from Logan. Any thoughts on how to make that work with the New Mutants in 2026? Thanks so much for the great feedback on the vid!

[@rayanvij3457]

I think the timeline changes in Days of Future past work with the Endgame rules where they create a branch timeline. within Days of Future Past although they say that it will rewrite the timeline you can ignore that and see it as a branch. The Fox Universe main/sacred timeline would be the top line in your diagram minus First Class as it really does not work with other movies in that line. X-Men Origins Wolverine, then X-Men, then X2 X-Men United, then X-Men The Last Stand, then The Wolverine, and then The Gifted. Those movies/shows are the main/sacred timeline of the Fox universe. After The Gifted, you have Days of Future Past which creates a branch timeline which is the bottom line in your diagram. X-Men First Class, then X-Men Apocolpys (No need to include Days of Future Past in the branch), then X-Men Dark Pheniox, then Deadpool 1, then The New Mutants (haven't seen it but based on the evidence in the video I say it works here), then Deadpool 2 (here we get more branch timelines. Basically every time Cables time travel device is used it creates a branch timeline), then Logan. Deadpool and Wolverine is probably a continuation of a branch timeline from Deadpoool 2., Will see if Deadpool and Wolverine adresses this. (If you’ve seen Deadpool and Wolverine please do not tell me if this is answered I do not want to be spoiled.)

[@AbitofEverything4U]

I agree...I like the idea of them branching rather than re-writing time. It allows Deadpool to go into the original branch to kill the crappy deadpool.

[@743757]

Thank you very much for such a detailed review! I remember so many people referenced Logan as a separate universe at the time of the theatre release and glad to see a picture where it fits pretty much exactly in the post-futurepast timeline as I thought. Also, can Legion be a prequel to X-Men 97? I haven't really watched both shows but it would be fun if there are any connections, even head-canon ones.

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Thanks for the positive feedback on the vid. I agree, I like the idea of Logan fitting into the overall timeline. And that's a good question about Legion. I need to rewatch the X-Men Animated Series episodes that dealt with the Shadow King, as he was also a villain in Legion. So I'd have to see if there any discrepancies or not.

[@eagc7]

Regarding Charles brother being the body that Charles uses in the end of Last Stand, Wolverine and DOFP, while i haven't seen it, i read that this piece of info comes from the last stand dvd commentary.

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Yeah, I'm pretty sure it does get mentioned in the DVD commentary. It's still just so weird that he takes over someone else's body, but I think maybe his brother was comatose or something like that. Craziness.

[@eagc7]

@@AbitofEverything4UYeah i think his brother was meant to be brain dead

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Yeah, ig that makes it abit better. Still...ugh. Kinda messy. Anyway, thanks for the explanation. Really appreciate it!

[@eagc7]

@@AbitofEverything4UYeah its too comvulated xD, if they wanted to take Xavier out and not commit to killing him, put him in some sort of coma like in movie 1 or something. then he recovers so you can still have him in later films.

[@AbitofEverything4U]

@@eagc7Exactly!

[@CalicoEvrywerigo]

32:59 just like DP1 thinking he was going to be a superhero

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Right! That's a good parallel between New Mutants and Deadpool.

[@JosiahHerring]

I personally place the original X-Men in 1994, and I justify the "Not too distant Future" line as being relative to the flashbacks at the beginning of it and X3. So I choose to place them in 1994 and 1997.

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Yeah, I think that's a perfectly fine placement for X1 through X3. It honestly could go either way on the placement between 1990's and mid 2000's. Do you also pull The Wolverine back abit from 2013, so that it isn't 16 years after Last Stand in 1997?

[@JosiahHerring]

​@@AbitofEverything4UI still personally choose to leave it in 2013. As you said, there really aren't any specific timeline hints in the movie outside of the post credit scene being 2 years later. And I don't remember them saying it's been a specific number of years since X3, but I admittedly haven't sat down to watch it since probably about 2018 or 2019. It is a bit weird to have 16 year gap, but considering how long Logan's already lived, it's not impossible he's chose to live as a hermit for that whole time. I could see it going either way, but think 2013 is a well enough placement for it in my opinion.

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Yep...makes sense. I did get someone that commented saying that the BTS feature for DOFP on the DVD/BluRay mentions Last Stand happens in 2006, but I haven't been able to verify it. So I think your placements work great. Thanks for sharing your thoughts on the timeline!

[@ontos8914]

I’d say an easier explanation for Charles being able to walk in Origins and The Last Stand is that he’s not there physically it’s just a mental projection of himself

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Great point! Excellent theory!

[@the-w1d]

Even though Deadpool 2 takes place in 2018, you should watch it after Logan (for major spoiler reasons)

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Yep, I totally agree. In fact, I'm working on a multiversal watch order vid and I think that suggestion makes alot of sense.

[@TheKonradhehe]

About New Mutants. The movie was planned to release in April 2018 so it makes sense that in universe it's February 2017. More than 2020 or 2023.

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Excellent point! I agree 100%!

[@Surfboarder4]

Very helpful!

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Thanks! Yeah, it sure helped me try to understand how everything fits together. There’s no doubt the X-Men timeline is pretty messy, but it’s still nice to see it put together in as best as an order as I could.

[@JJ_Rodz]

Always appreciate your work!! Regarding time travel in Marvel movies, I personally theorize that the mechanics of it being represented differently is because multiple types of travel ARE possible. True Tony, Hulk and others affirm otherwise, but they're simply considering only what they know, Quantum time travel. Outside of Endgame, there are examples of alternate methods, Doctor Strange looped time and also detached from time in the final battle of his first movie; Ms. Marvel closed a predestined, self-fulfilling time travel arc; and Loki S2 showed that actions even extrinsic from time can rewrite a universe. I haven't fine tuned the theory, but that's how I excuse the differences.

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Great point! Yeah, I think that could explain the time travel differences really well. Perhaps Cable's device isn't using the quantum realm to travel. Excellent theories!

[@revolution91156]

at the end of days don't forget that proffesor X can read logan's mind so that's how he knows witch logan that is

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Great point! Yeah, that does explain the end of DoFP. Thanks for mentioning that!

[@darthdragonborn1552]

I’ve had thoughts that the method of time travel results in different kinds of time travel rules/outcomes, like the pym particles does the branching, and the way she does it for Wolverine in DoFP(just his consciousness) doesn’t branch, and same with how Cable does it, so in a way hulk could be right, but technically wrong overall, but Dp3 could actually confirm the X-men movies have somehow been branching this whole time so we’ll see.

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Great suggestions...yeah, I could see the explanation being that the means of travel (pym particles vs. Cable tech, for example) could mean we get branching in one case and BTTF logic in another. But I also like your theory that we may discover in DP&W that it's been branching in the X-Verse all along. Can't wait to see the movie soon!

[@jonahnichols1]

1) When it comes to Charles and the whole walking/powers thing is that I believe there is either a certain point in the medication where he is able to walk but still have his powers but he crosses the line because of all of the loss he had delt with and in the original time line he eventually stopped needing it but took it for certain things like recruiting the group from Origins and Jean in Last stand or Hank just developed a medication that just helps with walking but keeps the powers that he eventually just stops using it, but in the revised timeline he just stops taking the medication all together. 2) For what happened with Logan in the new 1973, maybe because Mystique saw Logan working with her old friends, she decided to save him because not like enemy of my enemy but where she was there friend and he was also their friend then they could be friends, but because his consciousness jumped to the new future, this version of past Logan has no idea who she is and leaves to go back to war before it ends and then whatever version of Origins of this timeline has happens until we see him in 83. 3) the younger cast being the X-Men in Deadpool 2 fits because Charles has not really changed since the 60's lol.

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Great suggestions. And #3...lol! Nicely done!