Exploring the Importance of the Virgin Mary | Jonathan Pageau and Jordan B. Peterson

[@stevenjbeto]

Dr. Peterson, I received "Beyond Order" this afternoon and have been looking over the layout. Well done, Professor! Studying your work helps me to be a better man.

[@SheikhN-bible-syndrome]

Me and my wife made it a big important deal and we waited till we found each other and were married . yes at times it was difficult when everyone you know is sleeping around and calling you crazy for not doing it too . But the self controll and patience made it what it is and it made it have value and while all of are friends are on there 2nd marriage and or lonely we are still best friends and happy as can be

[@Undermarysmantleforever]

I pray that the Immaculate Mother Mary place both of you under her mantle. God bless .Ave Maria.

[@akolley1]

The Gospel explained through scripture only Acts 13:38-39KJB 38 Be it known unto you therefore, men and brethren, that through this man is preached unto you the forgiveness of sins: 39 And by him all that believe are justified from all things, from which ye could not be justified by the law of Moses. Romans 1:18-20KJB 18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness; 19 Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them. 20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse: Romans 1:32KJB 32 Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them. Romans 2:5KJB 5 But after thy hardness and impenitent heart treasurest up unto thyself wrath against the day of wrath and revelation of the righteous judgment of God; Romans 2:16KJB 16 In the day when God shall judge the secrets of men by Jesus Christ according to my gospel. Romans 3:10-12KJB 10 As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one: 11 There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God. 12 They are all gone out of the way, they are together become unprofitable; there is none that doeth good, no, not one. Romans 3:19-26KJB 19 Now we know that what things soever the law saith, it saith to them who are under the law: that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God. 20 Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin. 21 But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets; 22 Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference: 23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God; 24 Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus: 25 Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God; 26 To declare, I say, at this time his righteousness: that he might be just, and the justifier of him which believeth in Jesus. Romans 4:5KJB 5 But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness. Romans 5:1-2KJB 1 Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ: 2 By whom also we have access by faith into this grace wherein we stand, and rejoice in hope of the glory of God. Romans 5:8-11KJB 8 But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us. 9 Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him. 10 For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life. 11 And not only so, but we also joy in God through our Lord Jesus Christ, by whom we have now received the atonement. 1 Corinthians 15:3-4KJB 3 For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; 4 And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:

[@viensolis]

@@akolley1 no.

[@pyramusk3264]

@@viensolis Yes, even though it was too long.

[@pm5206]

Stop praying to dead people and idols. Matthew 6:9-15.

[@pm5206]

akolley1 The good news is in the Scriptures. Not just Acts. Only a priest can intercede with the High Priest to be forgiven. Hence Jesus is the High Priest of that order.

[@dourtandouar1318]

Young girls need to listen to this before they date.

[@truthteller3024]

Today they sex before dating.

[@cnote3598]

This is one of the best videos on the internet.

[@marybennett5602]

We pray with Mary not to her. She prays with us/ intercedes with us. She always points us to Christ.. ‘My soul magnifies the Lord. My spirit rejoices in God my Saviour.’ Beautiful words from Out Lady in Luke’s gospel. 🙏🏻❤️

[@aquapointbeshoy2736]

cmon. 1 tim 2:5, go to God directly, theres no obstacles, just go to God, you and Him. not you and Mary, or any saints, just you and God..

[@atgred]

@@aquapointbeshoy2736 I would agree with you on your statement but the Bible does give us passages where it is right in God’s eyes to pray for one another here AND in Heaven. For example Rev. 5:8 we have souls of men praying to Jesus in behalf of the saints: “And when he had taken the book, the four beasts and four and twenty elders fell down before the Lamb, having every one of them harps, and golden vials full of odours, WHICH ARE THE PRAYERS OF THE SAINTS.” We are all part of God’s family and He wants all of us to participate in His Kingdom and to do so is to pray for each other to God and as James says: “Confess your faults one to another, and pray one for another, that ye may be healed. The effectual fervent prayer of a righteous man availeth much.” Those who are in front of the throne of God are definitely “righteous” and their prayers do avail very much so! And as for Mary, there is a Psalm that foreshadows God’s will for her: Psalms‬ ‭45:9-17 (references and thoughts in parenthesis) “Kings' daughters were among thy HONORABLE women: upon thy right hand did stand the QUEEN (Rev. 12) in gold of Ophir. Hearken, O daughter, and consider, and incline thine ear; forget also thine own people, and thy father's house; So shall the KING GREATLY DESIRE THY BEAUTY: for HE IS THY LORD; and worship thou him (only). And the daughter of Tyre shall be there with a gift(Lk. 1:28); even the rich among the people shall ENTREAT THY FAVOUR (intercession). The king's daughter is all GLORIOUS WITHIN: her clothing is of wrought gold. SHE shall be brought unto the king in raiment of needlework: the virgins her companions that follow her shall be brought unto thee. With gladness and rejoicing shall they be brought: they shall enter into the king's palace (heaven). Instead of thy fathers shall be thy children (mother of the christians) whom thou mayest make princes in all the earth. I WILL make THY NAME to be REMEMBERED IN ALL GENERATIONS (Lk. 1:48) therefore shall the people PRAISE THEE FOR EVER AND EVER.” God bless!! ‬ ‭‭ ‭‭

[@pm5206]

atgred Matthew 6:9-15. This is idolatry. Deuteronomy 6:4.

[@atgred]

@@pm5206 To say it is idolatry is for me to accept that Mary is “another god”, that is absurd. I gave scripture which supports what we Catholics believe. If you don’t see it, I respect your belief. As Paul states “Mortify therefore your members which are upon the earth; fornication, uncleanness, inordinate affection, evil concupiscence, and covetousness, which is IDOLATRY:” Many things can be idolatry, but praying to the saints is scriptural. God bless!!

[@borderlands6606]

@@atgred Evangelical puritans believed any representation of the world was potentially idolatrous, as was religious music, or indeed dancing and joy of any kind. This mindset lead to the destruction of an estimated 95% of indigenous English art in the reformation. (Literalism also lead to modern art and reductionist materialism, but that's another story). This wilful misunderstanding of the difference between the thing itself and representations of it, allows protestants to claim Catholics "worship idols". The Orthodox churches maintained an iconographic relationship with religious figures, showing them as archetypes but lacking specificity. In the western church the depiction is culturally determined, ranging from the flayed Christ, to abstractions and symbols. The desire to embody the sacred is a natural one, and like the potency of "cheap music" (Noel Coward) it's failures as art do nothing to diminish its sincerity or effect.

[@anthonygielty7242]

Sooo good to hear about the mother of the Divine and explore the central message of beauty and truth she represents in western civilisation. May her son bless you both

[@WHATSUP7049]

The mother son worship originated in ancient Babylon, Semiramis and Tammuz. This ancient pagan religion spread to Egypt, Greece, Israel, and to Rome, all over the world. Constantine in 325 AD made Christianity the state religion the pagan religion of the Romans and the Christianity got mixed together. Hence this is why Catholics worship Mary Jeremiah 7:18 The children gather wood, and the fathers kindle the fire, and the women knead their dough, to make cakes to the queen of heaven, and to pour out drink offerings unto other gods, that they may provoke me to anger.

[@jedimasterham2]

Mary is not the "mother of the Divine." She held Jesus to term. That's all.

[@Moccsnosocks]

@@jedimasterham2 Nah. Hail Mary

[@DanJWil]

The Pageau brothers are incredibly brilliant .

[@andromedamaxima1543]

Jonathan Pageau did a tremendous work here, the way he explained is absolute gold!!

[@Sharkman1963]

The Virgin Mary as the New Ark of the New Covenant is entirely solid Christian doctrine.

[@Marie-fn4tn]

Well, you MUST prove your quote with what is WRITTEN in the Holy Scriptures in the TANAJ (Old Testament) and Bri Hadasha (New Testament), if you don’t, that means that what you’re saying is false doctrine.

[@Alex-hz2xg]

When the pregnant Mary meets her cousin Elizabeth, Elizabeth greets her by saying, LUKE 1:43 “And why is this granted to me that the mother of my Lord should come to me?” The phrase by Elizabeth is referring to the Old Testament scripture where King David asks, 2 SAMUEL 6:9 “How can the ark of the Lord come to me?” This would be understood by any Jew at the time and was understood by those in the early church. As you look closer into both passages the similarities increase. When the Ark of the Covenant is brought before David, the scriptures declare, 2 SAMUEL 6:14 And David danced before the Lord with all his might. And David was wearing a linen ephod. And what happens when Mary is brought before Elizabeth? LUKE 1:41-42 And when Elizabeth heard the greeting of Mary, the baby leaped in her womb. And Elizabeth was filled with the Holy Spirit. Then she spoke out with a loud voice and said, “Blessed are you among women, and blessed is the fruit of your womb! The baby in the womb of Elizabeth was John the Baptist and like the priestly ephod that David wears, John the Baptist is in the priestly line of Aaron. When brought before the Ark, David dances. When the new Ark is brought before John, he leaps for joy. The greek word for “spoke out” is a rare one, only used once in the New Testament and twice in the Old Testament(1 Chr 15:28, 1 Chr 16:4 ). Those two Old Testament scriptures center around the Ark of the Covenant. Then according to scripture, the Ark remained for three months. 2 SAMUEL 6:11 And the ark of the Lord remained in the house of Obed-edom the Gittite three months, and the Lord blessed Obed-edom and all his household. We see that Mary also remained for three months. LUKE 1:56 And Mary remained with her about three months and returned to her home. According to Luke, God would “overshadow” Mary. And the angel answered her, LUKE 1:35 “The Holy Spirit will come upon you, and the power of the Most High will overshadow you; therefore the child to be born will be called holy-the Son of God. This is the same language used to describe when God would “overshadow” the Ark of the Covenant (Exodus 40:34). It is clear when compiling all these scriptures, that Luke is describing Mary as the Ark of the Covenant. This has been the teaching of the Apostles and the early church since its beginning.

[@pm5206]

Alex Nope. It’s not in Scripture. Virgin birth is prophesied. But this perpetual virgin stuff is not. This is a pagan idolatrous Roman invention. Matthew clearly says that Miryam had children after Yahusha. Meaning after she gave birth (which was miraculous because of many reasons, especially because of atonement purposes), she then had sex and had additional children. It says Yahusha had brothers and sisters.

[@sloanjackson8]

@@pm5206 you are sadly mistaken.. IF all doctrines and dogma must come from scripture (which they don't have to, and scripture doesn't say it should either) .. you still have a problem of interpretation. Scripture is perfect and true but only when read in it's respective and correct context which cannot be found in the scripture by itself.. but even just using scripture alone to figure this out, we can't know for sure one way or the other based on what we get from scripture. Jesus' brothers and sisters could obviously mean cousins, friends, etc.. jesus as the first born son does NOT mean there has to be a second or a third, and when it is written that she was a virgin UNTIL the birth of Christ or that joseph knew not mary UNTIL Christ, this still does not imply that afterwards they had any sexual relations for sure. It is only speaking on behalf of the time before Christ. (And as a personal note, joseph would probably know these things about mary and how holy she was and he probably knew that she was set apart for God in a very special way.). Mary as the ark of the new covenant is one interpretation that when only using scripture, cannot be fully proved or denied. But, when looking at all of the evidence laid out and when taking on the advice from scholars of thousands of years and Christian experts, for my money, I would go with Mary being the Ark of the New Covenant, the tabernacle in which the manna traveled through the desert in her womb, the place and source of milk for the bread of God, and the lamb of God would be born into, and brought to bethlehem, the house of bread. Mary is the mother of God. Mary sucked God. Mary prepared soup for God. Mary raised God into this world through the grace of the Holy Spirit. Mary's role is HUGE and we will have to answer to Christ for downplaying His mother, or as we see on the cross when he gives her up (which he also wouldn't have done if he had brothers and sisters), we see that she is OUR MOTHER. AVE MARIA. Lamb of God, you take away the sins of the world, have mercy on us. Grant us peace. I am not worthy that you should enter under my roof, but only say the word and my soul shall be healed.

[@davidmusicmaker]

@@pm5206 , I completely concur. See my comment below, where I elaborate a bit.

[@OsiasArt]

An absolutely based conversation. Thank you for this.

[@BrotherTree1]

We need men and women and we need masculine and feminine qualities in each person, and for them to be proportionally balanced, regardless of gender. We just don't need the evil from them (or from other sources outside of them) that creates unnecessary suffering and also we have to be careful how we define and identify such evil in case we get it wrong.

[@laurengalan2760]

The traits that are associated with either masculine and feminine shouldn’t thought of as disconnected from the ACTUAL gender of the individual it’s always totally subject to that. To the point where I think we should just stop gendering traits at all.

[@dojocho1894]

Im a very handsome man and I meet women all the time through my life...but also never felt like sleeping with them until I felt I had a desire to be with them fully..once the woman felt love for me I was filled with passion for her...many women cant understand....so now hearing Prof Peterson say it happened to him blows me away...I always felt as if I was strange.

[@Jannette-mw7fg]

Thank you so much!

[@ashleyallen7138]

I love Dr. Jordan Peterson.

[@Angel268201]

Let’s be realistic, as a guy, I wouldn’t even want to lay eyes on her of fear of offending. Could you imagine how St. Joseph felt, knowing all, just as St. Mary did?

[@Angel268201]

I would love to hear their take of the apparition of Fatima and Our Lady of Good Success. That would be extremely interesting.

[@bobsagget9212]

The virgin birth is different from the immaculate conception

[@bobpolo2964]

Immaculate in what sense?

[@bobsagget9212]

@@bobpolo2964 immaculate conception is the insemination of Mary without sin. The virgin birth is her birth of christ without human conception

[@bobpolo2964]

@@bobsagget9212 I agree. Jesus was born through the mysterious work of the Holy Spirit. Matthew 1:20

[@bobsagget9212]

@@bobpolo2964 yes.

[@bobpolo2964]

@@bobsagget9212 Do you agree that Mary was without sin? That she was untouched by the fall?

[@sonnybowman]

So very thoughtful of you to invite the Dr. to listen to you speak.

[@peterbloch-hansen2062]

As I understand it, the word translated as "virgin" meant "unmarried" in the context of the time. Rather more important is the idea that her character was such as to make her the ideal mother for raising the child who would grow into what we ascribe to jesus.

[@autumnangel8004]

Beautiful 🙏🌸🌸🌸

[@UnremarkableMarx]

Jordan looks so well now compared to two years back. God, thank you for keeping him and his family and please, from my heart, do deliver him to the Son.

[@theonyxcodex]

Couldn’t track until 8:12

[@tylernestor5175]

Mary being a virgin symbolizes that Christ was born from within, not from without. Most are molded by the world, Christ was molded by what is within.

[@Moccsnosocks]

Love this

[@Jamesrs7]

Catholicism is truth.

[@raymolina7914]

Christ is the Truth.

[@Jamesrs7]

@@raymolina7914 Yes. And he established The Catholic Church here on earth.

[@ulfrejbrand2593]

Catholicism = Antichristly.

[@akolley1]

The Gospel explained through scripture only Acts 13:38-39KJB 38 Be it known unto you therefore, men and brethren, that through this man is preached unto you the forgiveness of sins: 39 And by him all that believe are justified from all things, from which ye could not be justified by the law of Moses. Romans 1:18-20KJB 18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness; 19 Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them. 20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse: Romans 1:32KJB 32 Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them. Romans 2:5KJB 5 But after thy hardness and impenitent heart treasurest up unto thyself wrath against the day of wrath and revelation of the righteous judgment of God; Romans 2:16KJB 16 In the day when God shall judge the secrets of men by Jesus Christ according to my gospel. Romans 3:10-12KJB 10 As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one: 11 There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God. 12 They are all gone out of the way, they are together become unprofitable; there is none that doeth good, no, not one. Romans 3:19-26KJB 19 Now we know that what things soever the law saith, it saith to them who are under the law: that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God. 20 Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin. 21 But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets; 22 Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference: 23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God; 24 Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus: 25 Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God; 26 To declare, I say, at this time his righteousness: that he might be just, and the justifier of him which believeth in Jesus. Romans 4:5KJB 5 But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness. Romans 5:1-2KJB 1 Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ: 2 By whom also we have access by faith into this grace wherein we stand, and rejoice in hope of the glory of God. Romans 5:8-11KJB 8 But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us. 9 Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him. 10 For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life. 11 And not only so, but we also joy in God through our Lord Jesus Christ, by whom we have now received the atonement. 1 Corinthians 15:3-4KJB 3 For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; 4 And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:

[@ulfrejbrand2593]

@@Jamesrs7 NO way. Peter never visited Rome. Peter is NOT the rock. His FAITH is.

[@JoanOfArgghh]

"there is no doubt that the Word could not become man without first becoming an infant, a fetus, an embryo, a blastocyst, all the way down. For the abyss between man and God must be filled at the very foundation in order for the gap to become a bridge." -Bob Godwin

[@joedavis4150]

... The word is just common sense and ethical Behavior. Simple as that.

[@drBrunoPessi]

@@joedavis4150 It's simply not as simple as that.

[@joedavis4150]

@@drBrunoPessi ... Okay

[@laurengalan2760]

There’s and ideal way to be a man and an ideal way to be a woman we should all be aiming for that and understand the necessity of this regardless of how much we fall short of it.

[@robertjarman4261]

Is this section for comments or to write a systematic theology?

[@danielpasterp5837]

Jordan, please make a video with Mercury from the KZbin channel Sorting Myself Out!

[@Marie-fn4tn]

The problem of millions of believers is to intellectualise the LIVING WORD, that is written in the Holy Scriptures! That makes fall unto the religious ways.

[@Alex-hz2xg]

When the pregnant Mary meets her cousin Elizabeth, Elizabeth greets her by saying, LUKE 1:43 “And why is this granted to me that the mother of my Lord should come to me?” The phrase by Elizabeth is referring to the Old Testament scripture where King David asks, 2 SAMUEL 6:9 “How can the ark of the Lord come to me?” This would be understood by any Jew at the time and was understood by those in the early church. As you look closer into both passages the similarities increase. When the Ark of the Covenant is brought before David, the scriptures declare, 2 SAMUEL 6:14 And David danced before the Lord with all his might. And David was wearing a linen ephod. And what happens when Mary is brought before Elizabeth? LUKE 1:41-42 And when Elizabeth heard the greeting of Mary, the baby leaped in her womb. And Elizabeth was filled with the Holy Spirit. Then she spoke out with a loud voice and said, “Blessed are you among women, and blessed is the fruit of your womb! The baby in the womb of Elizabeth was John the Baptist and like the priestly ephod that David wears, John the Baptist is in the priestly line of Aaron. When brought before the Ark, David dances. When the new Ark is brought before John, he leaps for joy. The greek word for “spoke out” is a rare one, only used once in the New Testament and twice in the Old Testament(1 Chr 15:28, 1 Chr 16:4 ). Those two Old Testament scriptures center around the Ark of the Covenant. Then according to scripture, the Ark remained for three months. 2 SAMUEL 6:11 And the ark of the Lord remained in the house of Obed-edom the Gittite three months, and the Lord blessed Obed-edom and all his household. We see that Mary also remained for three months. LUKE 1:56 And Mary remained with her about three months and returned to her home. According to Luke, God would “overshadow” Mary. And the angel answered her, LUKE 1:35 “The Holy Spirit will come upon you, and the power of the Most High will overshadow you; therefore the child to be born will be called holy-the Son of God. This is the same language used to describe when God would “overshadow” the Ark of the Covenant (Exodus 40:34). It is clear when compiling all these scriptures, that Luke is describing Mary as the Ark of the Covenant. This has been the teaching of the Apostles and the early church since its beginning.

[@vladp7973]

May the Blessed Mother come into your life today with a special blessing for you. May you always be grateful for the Blessed Mother. Without her we would not have Jesus. Our Savior.

[@joelmutagwaba255]

It was election by grace She was and is an integral part of the narrative But pushing that point to its extremes, that could even justify Judas'betrayal.

[@akolley1]

The Gospel explained through scripture only Acts 13:38-39KJB 38 Be it known unto you therefore, men and brethren, that through this man is preached unto you the forgiveness of sins: 39 And by him all that believe are justified from all things, from which ye could not be justified by the law of Moses. Romans 1:18-20KJB 18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness; 19 Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them. 20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse: Romans 1:32KJB 32 Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them. Romans 2:5KJB 5 But after thy hardness and impenitent heart treasurest up unto thyself wrath against the day of wrath and revelation of the righteous judgment of God; Romans 2:16KJB 16 In the day when God shall judge the secrets of men by Jesus Christ according to my gospel. Romans 3:10-12KJB 10 As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one: 11 There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God. 12 They are all gone out of the way, they are together become unprofitable; there is none that doeth good, no, not one. Romans 3:19-26KJB 19 Now we know that what things soever the law saith, it saith to them who are under the law: that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God. 20 Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin. 21 But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets; 22 Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference: 23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God; 24 Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus: 25 Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God; 26 To declare, I say, at this time his righteousness: that he might be just, and the justifier of him which believeth in Jesus. Romans 4:5KJB 5 But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness. Romans 5:1-2KJB 1 Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ: 2 By whom also we have access by faith into this grace wherein we stand, and rejoice in hope of the glory of God. Romans 5:8-11KJB 8 But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us. 9 Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him. 10 For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life. 11 And not only so, but we also joy in God through our Lord Jesus Christ, by whom we have now received the atonement. 1 Corinthians 15:3-4KJB 3 For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; 4 And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:

[@einarabelc5]

Always struggled with this in Catholicism...Evangelicals just didn't addressed it. Now I want to watch the whole thing. This is a good exchange, here's my part. Since this video is something most in your audience won't pay attention to I will shout in the crowd once again(like a stalker, even though I'm just trying to get a message to you): Get to the Meaning of Grace. That Christ had to become Human, fulfill the role that the ORIGINAL Human CHOSE not to fulfill and then die as a consequence of the Choices we've made and WILL make in order for our relationship with God to be HEALED in the presence of THE HOLY because we just CAN'T do it ourselves since the moment we decided to create our own definition of Good and Evil. NO Jungian conception is going to explain that, not based in everything I've seen from either you or Carl. Just like nothing gave you an answer in front of Slavoij Zizek when he said: "Christ lost his Divinity when he claimed - Adonai why have you forsaken me?": Hint: the answer is in John 3:16 and Isiah 43, plus many more verses related to the phrase: Do NOT be Afraid. Corollary: 1.-About Christian Hypocrisy. Did you stop seeking a Dr. when you ran into bad Doctors during your moment of Crisis, did your amazing family do either? No, none of you did. In fact the number ONE step a person who TRULY becomes a Christian takes when they finally realize they will eventually and inevitably be a Hypocrite is accept that in the eyes of God they will always be that. You know VERY well what the ABSOLUTE Denial of that creates in The World my friend. More info here: kzbin.info/www/bejne/Z524hmitoKZomJY 2.- Please look these people up, or someone as versed in the ACTUAL meaning of the Original Manuscripts from beginning to end, and ask them questions: kzbin.info/www/bejne/fnSvpqSVatRqldE I wish Karol Wojtyla was alive so he could explain these things to you or someone as capable and blessed and humble as he is but here we are, now.

[@Zebooty]

Jesus Loves You Jordan

[@MattisWell.20]

It baffles my mind that certain streams of Christianity can’t understand Mary as Perpetual Virgin unless she is literally a virgin for life and never has sexual relations with her husband, which wouldn’t even really be a marriage if that were the case, for a marriage has to have sexual consummation for it to be a fulfilled marriage. And biblical/historical evidence tells us that Mary and Joseph were indeed married. Mary is Perpetual Virgin because she gives birth to the Eternal Christ as once a virgin, and so, therefore, that is forever her identity. It’s that simple. We don’t need to overcomplicate with intellectual suicide.

[@Acta-nonVerba]

*AVE MARIA!* 🔥💪🤝

[@matthewwilkinson2170]

Yeah, Jonathan!!

[@samuelsouzadaluz6953]

Lumen Gentium ch. 8, n. 52-69

[@sandersson1]

I could not focus enough to follow that thought. guess I'll have to come back to it. Sounded like a take similar to that in the davinci code, which was mesmerizing.

[@CarlosVargas-jz8gl]

Takes a little while to understand Jonathan. Have u watched his videos? I would recommend you do.

[@DBAnthony009]

Jesus saved mankind. Did he save His Mother too? If so, then Mary was born with sin like the rest of us. She is the blessed virgin. But I feel to go any further than that would be idolatry. As someone who wasn’t born in orthodox or catholic tradition, thats my stance. And most protestant stances. Again, it’s not out of any ill will, it’s fear of the Lord. To fear the lord is the beginning of wisdom.

[@georgerafa5041]

every ancient church teaches the same thing about Mary. Catholic, Greek/Russian Orthodox, Coptic, Ethiopian Orthodox, Syrian...etc. It's only protestant churches that teach Mary was a sinner. If you want a man made idea, that should give you an idea about which 'side' of this issue has the truth and which made shit up like 1500 years later.

[@silentraven1567]

The Bible was written in another language the word virginity can also be translated as purity or without sin. If you're pregnant without sin it would stand to reason that the father died. Therefore making jesus a child of God. If you look at the lords prayer in that context you can see the wisdom of a step farther who wanted his child to remain in contact with his father after death.

[@DBAnthony009]

Blasphemy

[@SD-hs2pk]

She's only perpetually virgin in the catholic church from what I understand! She them was with her husband. But it was important that she be virgin before having Jesus.

[@bearbait7405]

In tradition, Joseph, an older man, a widower. In order to be considered, “just” he would have had to earn that title. The brothers and sisters mentioned elsewhere in scripture, step-siblings and cousins. During that period, some couples chose to consecrate a marriage in chaste form.

[@iliya3110]

Most Holy Immaculata, pray for us.

[@madmartigan1634]

6:14 - Dr. Peterson jumping in to obfuscate with nonsense, very amusing

[@alexdelvento1273]

There is more to it

[@ink_and_insights]

i listened to this twice and still have NO IDEA what point JP is trying to make…

[@lingzhou21]

That does not mean that Jesus put down his family - indeed later He asked John to look after her. It was only the Roman Catholic Church later who made a goddess of Mary which Jesus NEVER did. You only see statues of Mary in RC Christian churches.

[@capecodder04]

Typology is the correlation between the old and new testament. That's where the word woman came from way back in Genesis. Mary is the new ark of the covenant, she is the new Eve, etc etc. Scott Hahn explains the connections of typology beautifully. We wouldn't have Jesus if it wasn't for Mary his mother, the Blessed Virgin Mary, Holy mother of God. She deserves every title and every honor she receives in the Catholic Church.

[@pm5206]

capecodder04 No it’s not. So called typology out of context on purpose to deceives. The Hebrew Scriptures never teaches such nonsense. I might as well say the stars are a typology of your personality and part of you and you can worship them. Now that’s astrology and idolatry. Miryam was simply used for the Moat High’s purpose. She was NOT used to be worshipped, since she did have children after Yahusha. Also, nowhere in the NT did anyone make her an idol. No, Yahusha himself said to worship the Father only. Deuteronomy 6:4-8.

[@pm5206]

True. It’s paganism. This Mary idol worshipping started after the 1st century. Not during.

[@edithallma4810]

No you see statues in Copic , orthodox and Catholic and some Anglican churches and together Catholics and orthodox Christians make up the biggest majority of all Christians. Get your facts straight

[@georgerafa5041]

How odd that coptic and orthodox churches all teach the same things about Mary and it's ONLY denominations tracing their lineage to the reformation 'that know the truth about Mary'

[@dadedowuh]

❤

[@brendantannam499]

I couldn't help thinking about George Berkeley's idea of the structure of the cosmos as Jonathan spoke about individual parts brought together by the spirit of logos. All that stuff about a cosmic Mary, though, is a load of baloney.

[@santylayno1377]

AVE MARIA!!!

[@synanthony]

Ave Maria, gratia plena, Dominus tecum. Benedicta tu in mulieribus, et benedictus fructus ventris tui, Iesus. Sancta Maria, Mater Dei, ora pro nobis peccatoribus, nunc et in hora mortis nostrae. Amen.

[@lionhounds]

Carl Jung wrote about Catholicism and it's uniqueness in the representation of the quaternity. That the psyche is balanced by the inclusion of the Mother. In my primitive understanding of the human mind a man is but 51% male dna and 49% female. Women are also 51% female dna and 49% male. When we neglect aspects of our psyche, those aspects rule us like petulant children.

[@nobodyreally]

🌻

[@twoshea749]

The heart of chaos dedicated to the heart of order so the divine child can manifest here as a bridge - because of the primacy of Mary - priests had to be male virgins and dedicate themselves to Mother Church - in its og context - Christianity is ultimately matriarchal - the buildings were so beautiful to build this bridge - the modern world has flipped everything on its head - anti - Christ

[@sloanjackson8]

Ave Maria!

[@benfallows8349]

The Bible teaches that Jesus is the representation of God on earth John 14 verse 9 - 11 and Colossians 1 verses 13 - 23. God the Father then sent His Holy Spirit to help us John 14 verses 16 and following.

[@benfallows8349]

I don't find most of these comments about Mary in the Bible at all!

[@mahlet77]

🤯😔🌹🙏🏽

[@DaughtersofLilith]

She was a 'virgin' because she was pure of heart. Nothing to do with sex.

[@georgerafa5041]

ok daughter of Lilith, Im sure you have no bias here and devotedly worship Christ

[@rayzas4885]

"How can this be I have not known man?" Asked by Mary when Gabriel told her that she will conceive Jesus

[@habbernack6196]

The Bible says thou shall have no other god before me. Why are there statues of Mary in the catholic church. Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth. Thou shalt not bow sown thyself to them, nor serve them; for I the LORD am a jealous God..

[@jotunman627]

The Protestant Reformation was a holocaust of art in many parts of Europe. The radical views of Calvin, Zwingli and others saw public religious images of any sort as idolatry, and art was systematically destroyed in areas where their followers held sway. Catholic art has played a leading role in the history and development of Western art, classical music, architecture, etc. led by the greatest artist in history Leonardo da Vinci, Michelangelo, Raphael, Bach, Beethoven, Vivaldi, Williams, etc. The Protestant Reformation in the 16th century produced waves of image-destruction. By the grace of God these priceless masterpieces survives in the Louvre museum in Paris, the Vatican, Museo del Prado museum, etc. - Religious art and images are a homage to God, just as a grand and a beautiful Cathedral is made for God. All the earth kings treasures and palaces pale in comparison with these masterpieces all for the glory of God. - "Catholic churches are not lecture halls"

[@junevandermark952]

The word "miracle" suggests that a god exists that chooses favorites, while ignoring requests from those who are NOT favorites of the god. Such nonsense!

[@MrThatguy421]

This bring to my mind a question about Jesus and lucifer. Are they not mirror images of the same person? They are both fully enlightened, the possessor of all knowledge. Jesus is a Shepard who shares only what his flock needs to be happy and good. Lucifer (the light bringer) burdens people with all knowledge and causes them to suffer with the knowledge of evil. He created sin by mentioning that it existed and doomed mankind to free will. Before he imparted this knowledge we could do no wrong because we knew no wrong. To me it's a parable that boils down to ignorance is bliss and if you care for people be careful what you share for them. Would you tell your child the building is on fire and we are going to die if we don't leave now? Or tell them hey bud we gotta go come on and let them calmly follow you to safety? Sure in scenario A they've been armed with information that could save a person. That information is also liable to panic them and cause their death. So do you take the burden of their safety onto yourself, or do you burden them with it? That's the difference between Jesus and Satan as far as I can see it. What do you think?

[@Theacademichouse]

In Islam Mary was literally virgin and chaste

[@densaakaldte1]

Sure, why not? 😅❤️

[@ryan.1990]

The Virgin Mary is the collective Jungian Anima of the West.

[@bobpolo2964]

The closer you get to Marion doctrine, the further you get away from the centrality of Christ. This conversation is a perfect example.

[@mcspankey4810]

Absolutely not true. Almost Every great Saint in all of Christian history had a relationship with the Blessed Mother.

[@bobpolo2964]

@@mcspankey4810 What does that prove?

[@kfedyanks]

Smooth brain comment

[@andrevisser7542]

You are missing the point of the virgin birth. Because of Adam's sin (believing satan's lies), they got separated from God, lost their sonship and position to rule, the beginning of death... Everybody born in Adam's lineage are born in his fallen state, in sin, in other words born in satan's bondage. Because of that, nobody could escape from this bondage. Jesus's virgin birth meant he was born not of Adam's lineage, therefore not born in sin yet represents fallen man because of his flesh body. This allowed the Spirit of God to reside in him, fully man (flesh) and fully God. When Jesus died without sin, he reversed satan's claim on all of mankind. God says the reward for sin is death (if you eat from the tree of knowledge of good and evil you will surely die). First Adam died because of sin, last Adam restored what Adam has lost the moment he died without sin...

[@madgoldnz]

Nothing new though, the Greeks had many such stories where Gods impregnated virgins to create demigods

[@jimclancy7161]

I’m catholic but I really don’t think this guy is explaining these mysteries well.

[@BoRaCutie]

Jesus never called Mary "mother" in the scriptures.

[@BoRaCutie]

He always called her "woman".

[@walterPCG]

In the culture into which Jesus was incarnated into, was it proper for a grown man to call his mother 'woman', is the question.

[@Marie-fn4tn]

@@walterPCG It’s written that Yeshua HaMashiach (JesusChrist in Hebrew), Based in the Holy Scriptures, is the Elohim in His human manifestation. Because of what Prophet Isaiah wrote about Him, Isaiah 7:14-15 14 Therefore the Lord himself will give you a sign: The virgin will conceive and give birth to a son, and will call him Immanuel. 15 He will be eating curds and honey when he knows enough to reject the wrong and choose the right, 16 for before the boy knows enough to reject the wrong and choose the right, the land of the two kings you dread will be laid waste. Isaiah 9:6-7 6 For to us a child is born, to us a son is given, and the government will be on his shoulders. And he will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace. 7 Of the greatness of his government and peace there will be no end. He will reign on David’s throne and over his kingdom, establishing and upholding it with justice and righteousness from that time on and forever. The zeal of the Lord Almighty will accomplish this. Read Isaiah chapter 53 fully, talks about the crucifixion of my Lord Yeshua ✝️♥️🔥🕎🇮🇱💙😍 Read Psalm chapter 22 talks about His suffering in the cross and what HE said, hundreds of years before it happened. To understand to Holy Scriptures, you must ask to HIS AUTHOR, the Ruah Hakodesh (Holy Spirit), only He can make you understand the the will of my Heavenly Abba, for that every new born child of the most High Living Elohim, in Yeshua HaMashiach, must repent and be baptised in the water and receive the gift of the Ruah Hakodesh, the Only that can help us to walk in the will of Elohim by the grace given in the cross by Yeshua HaMashiach. Shabbat Shalom

[@anthonyhernandez9858]

John 19:25-29 25 (A)Now there stood by the cross of Jesus His mother, and His mother’s sister, Mary the wife of (B)Clopas, and Mary Magdalene. 26 When Jesus therefore saw His mother, and (C)the disciple whom He loved standing by, He said to His mother, (D)“Woman, behold your son!” 27 Then He said to the disciple, “Behold your mother!” And from that hour that disciple took her (E)to his own home. When talking to the disciple “behold your mother” Mother Mary is all humans mother, we love Jesus it only makes sense that we also love his mother.

[@stevereddy655]

There is nothing Biblical in this video, and the Virgin Mary is going to help. Read your Bible and find the Truth

[@lancehaseltine6724]

Mary is not and was not a cosmic entity. She is not God. She has not existed (and did not exist) before time. She wasn’t the product of a virgin birth. She wasn’t sinless. She needed a savior. “And Mary said, ‘...my spirit has rejoiced in God my Savior.’” Is she important to our salvation? Beyond doubt. Was she divine? No. And that’s the true miracle. God works with sinners to do his will.

[@pm5206]

She was not living in sin. She was blameless. Noach was not living in sin. The Moshaich said he did not come for the righteous. Which implies you can be righteous. Now Miryam was indeed the woman chosen to be the virgin. Why? Because the Moshiach could not be born of whoredom. Also, because a man cannot die for the sins of his father or children.

[@lingzhou21]

Why did they do this? The early RC church had a problem of conversion from other religions. These false religions usually had a female goddess figure. The early Christian Church (wrongly) compromised and promoted Mary to a status that is not in the Bible.

[@pm5206]

1 2 Read the Scriptures. Not pagan religion responsible for many atrocities.

[@johnpolitis9060]

Peggy Jones is the Mother of God, not Mary or the Virgin Mary. David Bowie is God, not Jesus Christ. So if Peggy is the Mother of Bowie who is God, that makes her the Mother of God.

[@ramblincapuchin9075]

I don't find anything errant about the label "prude" What I believe happens in, let's say a sexual marketplace, is that in order to participate with the opposite gender you must demonstrate an astute awareness of the dance You are not attracted to a singular being; relational structures are not so trivial as to be considered obvious. You are attracted to virtual manifestations- possibilities, which bear a certain multiplicity in a woman She is emotion and affection and expectation and communion and communication. If you are not those things while not having provisional capacity to accommodate them, you're out of luck This is the Medusa that Jordan was alluding to, you are attracted to beauty instantaneously, but in the face of such beauty your grasp on her may be fleeting because of who _you_ are So on the one had, Pageu describes a supposition that virginal quality is private, but on the other Jordan expresses the conditional agency of attraction, which has social implications and constraints. To have some awareness of the inner workings of relationships on an intuitive level just means that you are conscientious about virtue and its importance among cultures

[@ulfrejbrand2593]

'the role Mary plays in the New Testament' = ZERO (0) Jesus : 'Who is my mother' ? To worship or pray to Mary , 'saints' or somebody else other than J E S U S is a SIN !

[@ulfrejbrand2593]

Getting to know The WORD/JESUS you must Thrust ONLY the WORD/Bible.

[@pm5206]

Worshipping Jesus is also sin. He himself said to worship the Father only.

[@ulfrejbrand2593]

@@pm5206 we always pray to Father at the name of Jesus. Jesus, Gods WORD is GOD. So alsoGods Holy Spirit. read,ie, Philpp. 2 ; 10 To worship Son and the Holy Spirit is far from worship,turn and pray to dead human sinners, that is is a ABOMINABLE SIN !

[@ulfrejbrand2593]

@@pm5206 Jesus is God,alpha and omega, is Gods Word.

[@ParallaxView111]

Jordan, are you allergic to metals? Is your daughter able to wear surgical steel earrings? If not, that's a nickel allergy. Most plant based foods are high in nickel. Nickel allergy, is a Type 4 allergy, meaning your T cells attack proteins the nickel binds to. The only treatment is to not eat foods that contain nickel (most plants are high in nickel) or go on steroids.

[@BoRaCutie]

He's on an all-beef diet

[@lordvader5246]

Yet protestants have the audacity to deny the divinity of Mary.

[@ulfrejbrand2593]

'there is nothing good in a man', Mary is NOT divine.

[@luzclara3855]

Neither Catholics not Orthodoxs believe in Mary's "divinity" either. We Catholics venerate her, but not worship her. She is not divine, but human (but she is a perfect human because she was conceived immaculate, without the original sin).

[@ulfrejbrand2593]

@@luzclara3855 where in the bible can I read 'conceived immaculate' ?

[@ulfrejbrand2593]

@@luzclara3855 Jesus was born 'immaculate' because he was born not by a man's will, but by Holy Spirits/God's will. - Similar like when a man get saved, being born again, not by a man's but by God's will. Mary was born by man's will but hopefully later 'born again'.

[@ulfrejbrand2593]

@@luzclara3855 Venerate, Paul writes, we shall do to every person, esteem him as higher than yourself.

[@LouieSpagooey]

What in the world is the man in the plaid shirt babbling about? Even Jordan Peterson looks confused.

[@Antunes__]

In this one I have to disagree, Jordan ahaha

[@jake115577]

A typical protestant

[@moontears3887]

Why do you disagree?

[@simonstuhl4170]

Do you really want to take advise about believing in God from a guy that is know for carving religious icons? “Make not for yourselves images from heaven and earth do not bow down to them.” This guy is deceiving himself and you…. Why would you listen to this?

[@allan201087]

I felt like Jordan, is struggling with his sexuality. Maybe he's in that point where some of us were: sex is the same of betrayal? People that have some sense of morality, always pass into the whole, and if you fell, you will suffer a lot - Off course, because the morality thing. I always when reaching for sex, automatically run away from love ; and when I reaching for love, I automatically run away from sex.

[@jrex3575]

He has been married for quite along time so how is he struggling with his sexuality? He is free from the sin of fornication outside of a married state. His spiritual struggle was when he was single and having sex.

[@joedavis4150]

... It is interesting that some Scholars now believe that Moses May well have been loaded on DMT, which is contained in the acacia tree, when he received the Ten Commandments

[@worldnotworld]

Argh! Peterson is not _quite_ getting it!

[@eileen1820]

Eh hehm

[@africandiaspora8614]

This guy Pageau is trying so hard to explain the Virgin Mother in order to bring a secular version into being , his hissing mockery and desperate effort in trying to explain his half-assed theory reveals his total ignorance of the scripture. Perhaps he should consult Bishop Fulton Sheen .

[@BoRaCutie]

Jesus had brothers begotten by Mary.

[@BoRaCutie]

Necessity doesn't equate to truth

[@johnpolitis9060]

Peggy Jones, mother of Bowie who is God, not Virgin Mary who just the mother of Christ who was not God, but only a Man.

[@jayjaychadoy9226]

The role of Mary is a catholic belief system, not Christianity. (Why does this guy laugh within his throat like a cartoon character? He is proselytising for Catholicism.) Well Dr Peterson your going down a rabbit hole here.

[@GustavoAndresHerrera]

Well, the Church has revered the Mother of God (theotokos) for centuries. Only the Protestants (last 500 years) have s problem with that and most of them stay from a misunderstanding.

[@pm5206]

Gustavo Andres Herrera The pagan circus that is. Not something anyone in the first century CE ever did. Plutonic paganism stealing from Hebrew Israelites is wrong.

[@GustavoAndresHerrera]

@@pm5206 oh! Don't take my word for it! you just read the early Fathers. Clement, Ignatius of Antioch, etc. and you'll find out.

[@willtun5385]

There's definitely a miracle approaching... It's called the second coming of GameStop

[@jasonm949]

It's scary people actually believe she was a virgin, and got knocked up by "God"

[@biffbiff7827]

Mary was/is not a perpetual virgin. She is special, but don’t ascribe to her more than she’s due.

[@lingzhou21]

Mary has no role to play. Matthew 12: 46-50 46 While Jesus was still talking to the crowd, his mother and brothers stood outside, wanting to speak to him. 47Someone told him, “Your mother and brothers are standing outside, wanting to speak to you.” 48He replied to him, “Who is my mother, and who are my brothers?” 49Pointing to his disciples, he said, “Here are my mother and my brothers. 50For whoever does the will of my Father in heaven is my brother and sister and mother.”

[@brendantannam499]

I agree. The scriptures give no basis for Jonathan's flight of fancy about Mary. I suspect his ideas come from a different belief system.

[@pm5206]

Brendan Tannam Absolutely. Plutonic paganism disguised as some mysterious miracle. Yes, the virgin birth is miraculous and scientific. No, Miryam was not a perpetual virgin or anything else. That was developed by gnostic pagans in the second century CE. That concept is nowhere in Scripture and not taught or conceived by anyone in the first century CE. Those who don’t know history will believe in fiction. Jordan doesn’t know this kind of material. I feel bad for him being duped. Yes, the things concerning the Moshiach is legitimate. But the enemy mixes lies.

[@daylight44ful]

Mary is a mother figure and the mother of God’s Son. She is ‘the highest honor of our race,’ as the Book of Judith states. She is the perfection of the human person kept free of sin. That motherly love touches the heart of anyone who loves her Son. So many central mysteries of our faith and salvation came through her.”

[@joedavis4150]

... I wonder if these two fellows are aware that there are other religions t h a n Christianity, and other Concepts of God, t h a n the biblical one?

[@ParallaxView111]

Christianity has some great ideas like forgiveness. Most importantly, as Yuri Bezmenov said, any society that loses its religion collapses. The only way to stop ideological subversion is patriotism and religion, what ever the religion of the country happens to be. Yuri's full presentation can be found in a video titled "Understanding the Political Scenario of INDIA,CANADA,JAPAN,CHINA,USA, FRANCE etc" posted by Amit Sengupta

[@joedavis4150]

@@ParallaxView111 ... Yes, I think forgiveness is very important, and a very good thing.

[@tatleman5314]

Are you really asking whether or not they are aware of the existence of other religions such as Judaism, Islam, Buddhism and such?

[@joedavis4150]

@@tatleman5314 ... Yes. I wonder why they are so welded to Christianity, when there are so many other religions out there? It seems really narrow-minded to me.

[@Btn1136]

@@joedavis4150 Pageau is an Orthodox Icon carver and Peterson had a Christian background. Even his work on Buddhism is from a Christian perspective.