Exploring the timelines of the Sony Spider-Man Universe

[@AbitofEverything4U]

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[@the-w1d]

I know you don't want to talk about the Morbius post credit scenes, but (if you will) when would you place them?

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Good question...I suspect the post-credit scenes happen are right after No Way Home. The biggest question is whether that means the scene happened in 2024 in Morbius' universe and thus there are 5 years between the Morbius movie itself and the post credit scenes, since Morbius is 2019 and NWH is 2024? There are theories that "present day" in each universe can be different, which means Vulture didn't have to go back in time, per se. I do hope Marvel clears that up for us at some point. Anyway, let me know if that answers your question. Love to hear from fellow MCU fans!

[@the-w1d]

@@AbitofEverything4U Thanks, that was exactly what I was wondering. I do hope Marvel/Sony can just sort out the connections properly.

[@AbitofEverything4U]

I'll also add that if ATSV was retconning the Morbius' end credit scene to say that it wasn't so much Dr. Strange's spell that sent Vulture there but was instead a result of the Collider accident from ATSV (i.e. the same thing that sent the parchment Vulture to Gwen's world), then not only does it give a new meaning to the end credit scene, but it could also change the timing. I really do hope they give us an answer at some point. You raise some very good questions!

[@coolerkerl8469]

The videos of the last two amazing spider-man links are now private sadly

[@supersaiyanjalil]

It was awesome seeing all the cartoon, tie in games and movies I watched when I was younger are all connected and valid.

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Totally! That movie was so incredible. It pulled off a miracle making it all fit together so well!

[@raulguillermogarciareyes1817]

At the end of Loki you can see the timeline fracture at different points. The way I see that is that the “present day” of each timeline is starting to run at the point the timeline fractured (Captain Carter’s 1940’s, Infinity Ultron 2015’s, Miles Morales 2018’s, Miguel’s 2099, etc. are all concurrent with MCU’s 2023-2024. So, the same amount of time passes in each timeline (a year in Gwen Stacy’s universe is also a year in Miles’), but they started to emerge at different points of the sacred timeline).

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Agreed...I think that's a perfect solution and it leaves us with "present day" being different in each universe. Love your theory!

[@maniacplaysgames3444]

Perhaps another possibility is that different universes started their calendars at different points? I like your idea better but it's just a thought.

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Yes, I agree, another possibility is they started their "year 0" at different times. So there are several good options. I hope Marvel let's us know at some point what the answer is. Thanks for sharing your theories!

[@ultimateaquiles]

I firmly believe each universe has their own timeline in the sense that their places in time are concurrent, but not in sync. The "present day" in one universe isn't the same as the "present day" in another. Take Spider-Man Noir for example. For him, the "present day" is 1933. But to Miles it's 2020. That's why Miguel is able to reference events from 2024 in 2020. One universe is 4 years into the future, but it's technically still the "present day" since all universes are happening at the same time, albeit in their own time frame. Does that make sense? Lol

[@AbitofEverything4U]

In any other situation, that wouldn't make sense. But this is Marvel and the multiverse...so of course it makes perfect sense, lol! Yes, I think you must be right. I do wish they would just confirm that in the movies themselves, but it's honestly the only answer that makes any sense. Thx so much for watching the vid and sharing your thoughts. Really appreciate it!

[@juice_mangaming7217]

I’m confused are you saying that Miguel is from 2024

[@ultimateaquiles]

@@juice_mangaming7217 No no, Miguel is definitely from 2099, the MCU is 2024. He can reference the MCU, which is in 2024, because in the grand scheme of things it's going on at the same time Across The Spider-Verse is going on, which is 2020.

[@AbitofEverything4U]

@@juice_mangaming7217 If you haven't had a chance to see it yet, this follow-up video goes into how each Spider-Man seems to have a different "present day": kzbin.info/www/bejne/qJiqaqZ6gNV6gMk. And that's why Miguel is from 2099 yet can appear with the other Spideys in their "present day".

[@AbitofEverything4U]

@@ultimateaquiles Well said!

[@driveasandwich6734]

Into the Spider-Verse already shows universes have different presents: Spider-Man Noir is from the 30s, Peni is from 3000 and Earth-67 is in the 60s.

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Yes...great example! So the "present day" of each universe is different across universes. I'm down with that, even though it is pretty confusing at times.

[@julianortiz5712]

Those Daily Bugle articles for TASM and TASM 2 are FASCINATING. The one at 8:54 even shows that the author is none other than NED LEEDS!, confirming that there was in fact a Ned in the TASM universe. Makes me wonder if they had plans for Ned becoming Hobgoblin in the future of those movies

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Ikr? I was really surprised to see that name. I'd love to know if they had plans for him. Wild stuff!

[@Cris00900340]

The SV filmmakers probably hit a roadblock with the 2018 date in ITSV. They still wanted to feature 2023 music and real world politics/references in the movie, so they had to go forward with 2023. With characters being pulled from the past/future, time doesn't seem to be super important in multiverse hopping. We see the characters in ATSV travel to Earth-928 in the year 2099, and Miguel travels from 2099 to universes in decades past. The death of HWR at the end of time somehow affects the MCU only from Loki forward, even though a cause/effect relationship shouldn't even be possible in a situation like that. I wonder if the Marvel multiverse itself, made up of many timelines, follows some sort of "meta" timeline that's really just project release order, which explains how multiversal events can occur "before" or "after" any point in time in the multiverse

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Right...I think the cause/effect relationship between universes is alot more complex than it seems at first. "Present day" is different across universes and so the real question is if there is a larger "meta" timeline as you suggest. I'd love for them to attempt to address this in a future movie. It's a fascinating concept.

[@Cris00900340]

@@AbitofEverything4UHow do you feel about the idea that the Spider-Verse films simply take place on a sliding timeline, similar to Marvel comics?

[@AbitofEverything4U]

​@@Cris00900340I think it's an interesting idea, but I would be abit surprised if they had to go to that strategy only a few movies into the Spider-Verse. Marvel had to do it as their characters had been around for 50+ years. I'd almost rather they just retcon the dates in the movies to move them forward. But in the end, if they go with a sliding scale, I'd be okay with it. Whatever they decide is cool as long as they explain it.

[@Lanosrep]

I think in terms of having the universes overlapping, it's being thought about way too linearly. This is literally what The Watcher, who is as much of an authority on any of this, says at the start of every What If...? episode ""Time. Space. Reality. It's more than a linear path." Traversing the different timelines is inherently both travelling universes and time periods. So any kind of multiversal travel also opens the door for travel across time. A few examples: -60s Spider-Man, Spider-Man Noir, Spider-Man 2099, and Renaissance Vulture coming from times in their universes which we would not consider "present day" -The Villains of NWH travelling between timelines and to the future -Vulture being sent to the "past" in Morbius, Eddie brock being sent to "the future" in Venom 2 / NWH. -Every episode of What If and Loki

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Yup...completely agree. You can throw in Spider-Man Noir in the past and Penni in the far future. So I think the MoM scene was indeed cementing into canon that traveling to a different universe may mean traveling to a different "present day" than in your own universe. Wild stuff!

[@MinecraftJimmy7951]

There is a problem with the October 21st date on the daily bugle newspaper in Spider-Man 2002. The date is on two newspapers, the first is the reward for photos newspaper, and the second is on the newspaper seen at the start of Oscorp unity day festival when someone is reading it. But then the “Spider-Man and Green Goblin terrorize city” newspaper seen in the daily bugle, the date says October 22nd. It really gives me a headache of trying to understand it.

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Yeah...the newspaper articles are helpful to determine the month and year, but I do think they messed up the days as you pointed out. It would be so interesting to work on one of these movies as a timeline consultant and have the job of making sure that doesn't happen. Anyway, really appreciate you watching the vid and sharing your thoughts on it. And wishing you a Happy New Year!

[@JackDeanPictures]

I’m certain someone has said, or at least everyone has thought that you are simply the most wholesome person on the entire internet. Thanks for sharing such in depth and fun videos!

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Thanks for the kind words. Yeah, I feel there is more then enough negativity on youtube, so I try to find a positive spin on things and love doing deep dives into different aspects of the MCU. As a lifelong Marvel fan, I just think there's just so much to celebrate about it. Really do appreciate the positive feedback!

[@arrowblueberri]

I just wanna say thankyou so much for going so in depth, sometimes so in depth that the movie ITSELF contradicts its own facts, to share with us the facts and theories about movies like these. You are truely underrated. I do have a question about across the spiderverse. How come miles had a canon event? If he was never supposed to be Spider-Man then how come his uncle still died? How come his father is about to die as well?? Is there a point in the movie explaining this or is this another one of their “mistakes”. Also, if you haven’t already, what are your thoughts on across the spiderverse? Better than the original in your opinion? Thanks 😊

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Thanks so much for your positive feedback and kind words I truly appreciate it! Regarding Miles, I think that Miguel feels it was an anomaly that Miles got bit, but since he did get bit, Miguel then feels the canon events must occur for Miles. It's a twisted bit of logic, but I guess it makes sense. That said, I think Miguel trusts his algorithm too much and that it will be proved to be wrong in the final movie. As for which is better...Across or Into...I think I liked the more complicated story in Across better. But on the flip side, I don't like stories with cliffhangers that much. However, I still think I'd put Across over Into by just a smidgen. What's your ranking?

[@arrowblueberri]

@@AbitofEverything4U thanks heaps for the reply, that clears it up more now. My ranking would remain with into on top, but only because to me this movie didn’t feel complete, with its ending. Everything else about across was perfect, it had super likeable characters, the animation was perfect with beautiful attention to detail, the soundtrack for Gwen and Miguel in particular was stunning, but most importantly it had the correct tones necessary to convey what it wanted to. All the serious scenes hit me so hard 😆 If beyond is as good as across then together the two will be either close 10/10 or just straight perfect. Just really hoping we still see Tobey Andrew and Tom, then that would truely be 10/10 🤞

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Yep...I agree, my only issue with Across is the fact that it isn't complete. Otherwise, it's such a fantastic achievement. And I agree, Beyond is going to be bonkers. I do indeed see it being a 10/10. I can't wait.

[@whoissuprag]

6:14, Gwen's calendar can't be March, the first day of the month is Wednesday, the first day of march 2013 is friday. The only month that fits is May 2013

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Excellent point! Yeah, I need to do a refresh on that placement. I'll do that very soon!

[@RikLord79]

I genuinely think that on the whole timeline thing they simply have a different year 0. This meaning that each universes present is concurrent with the others and when people topically travel between the multiverse the year is the same but maybe not as the number. The year 0 (actually should be 1 bc) is simply just decided to put in a different time then when another universe decides to put it.

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Yup, I think your ideas would definitely explain it. Lots of possible ways to make time work between the different universes, so I do hope Marvel gives us some indication of the reasons for it a future movie. Thanks so much for sharing your theories!

[@asteroid11]

I find it funny that we can now look at the awful Morbius post credits and treat it as a tease for ATSV instead of a consequence of NWH. If a Renaissance Vulture can end up in Gwens universe, I guess the MCU one can be shot to the Venomverse 🤷‍♂️

[@gerriehetschaap1854]

True! Sony uses one of their absolute best films to retcon one of their worst, and it somehow works perfectly

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Yeah, the entire cause/effect relationship of things starts to get very confusing as we jump across universes. "Present day" in each universe appears to be different (such as Spider Man Noir in the past and Penni in the future). Wild stuff!

[@AbitofEverything4U]

@@gerriehetschaap1854 Well said. Love it!

[@Ottobuns]

another great video!

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Thanks...definitely some craziness going on with the multiverse, but I think it all works out. It's just very hard to wrap your brain around at times.

[@hunterterrell5735]

It is always a better day when A Bit of Everything posts, also I see the Multiverse time progression like planets rotation around the sun, like Miles and Gwen's universes are further out so it's been more than one year, but Miguel and 688 are closer in so they experience the chaos more faster to them.

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Thanks for your kind words...very much appreciated! And I like your idea about the universes and the planetary rotations. That's the best reasoning for universes having different "present day" timelines that I've heard so far. Great theory!

[@imavi.]

"As Einstein said 'Time is relative'."

[@AbitofEverything4U]

And I suspect he would have added: "multiversal time is even MORE relative". 🤣

[@imavi.]

@@AbitofEverything4U lol true

[@jakeproven256]

One thing I like about your videos compared to other timeline channels is that you’re actually willing to challenge timeline explanations even one’s given in the films or shows (if of course you feel it presents a problem for the timeline.) what I find annoying about some channels is that when they see a timeline clue they just accept it as cannon regardless If it makes sense or not, it just irritates me. Where as you see the flaws and come up with one that makes more sense.

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Thanks! That is indeed what I try to do. I like to wrestle with all the hints and clues and try to assess which ones to rely on. Really appreciate your feedback!

[@jakeproven256]

@@AbitofEverything4U you’re welcome

[@AbitofEverything4U]

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[@Cenabull]

Keep it up❤ your channel is underrated you deserve more subscriber than me ❤💙

[@AbitofEverything4U]

That's very kind of you to say. But it looks like you've definitely earned all your subs for sure. Nice work! I'll keep hammering away!

[@Macnellydaking]

With NWH only villains that was pulled before deaths are Electro and Doc Ock Lizard was pulled before he attacked peter at school in TASM and I wanna say Green Goblin was pulled before he attacked aunt may in spider-man 1 or before the bride scene from the final battle

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Yeah, Green Goblin is a tough one, but you are right that it could be at any point after he learned Spider-Man's true identity. Great points!

[@moonj101]

great video, however, every universe doesn't have to be in sync. in accross the spider-verse, there is Renaissance Era, Wild West Era spider characters and (of course) Spider-man 2099 (Miguel O'hara). The way i view it is, there is a 'Multiversal timeline' where every universe runs concurrently, but the timlines of each universe don't have to be in sync. if the universes were in sync, the characters from the renaissance (ie the vulture from the start) and the wild west and Spider-man 2099 wont even be alive for the movie.

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Right! I completely agree. And in a way, the Multiverse of Madness scene I discussed in the vid makes it really clear, as there was no need for them to have 616 and 838 be on different "present days", but they did it anyway. So it shows that they were paving the way for all the unrelated "present days" across universes, as you point out. Pretty wild!

[@roliv16]

A lot of people have mentioned the idea of different ‘present days’ so I’m going to suggest my own theory, while the films are set in different times, (most) of the time the multiverse is linear in release order (bar Loki which we’d assume to take place before any multiverse stuff). For example, after Loki we get Kang in Ant-man or the venom-NWH-Morbius stuff being in pretty much release order with Doctor strange following that. I’m not sure if this makes any sense or works but it’s just a suggestion!

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Yeah, I think that works as well. I had considered moving ATSV to be after NWH in that graphic, even though the dates would look strange. I suspect for now, they are indeed assuming release order and maybe don't even realize the strange situation that creates with ATSV being in 2020 and NWH in 2024. Anyway, great theory. Thanks for sharing!

[@boi2803]

Do u think u would be up for laying out all of the other spider-timelines of the referenced shows and games in across the spiderverse?

[@AbitofEverything4U]

That's a very interesting idea. I'd be down to try, but I don't know if the animated shows give us much in the way of timeline info. Just taking Spider-Man and His Amazing Friends as an example (which had Video Man featured in the Spider-Verse movie), I don't recall them ever giving much indication of their timeline. That said, I could just go with release date in each case where no timeline info is given. Definitely a very cool idea. Thanks for the suggestion!

[@boi2803]

@@AbitofEverything4U ofc! 👍

[@realjohnlove]

1:51 Theres some discrepancy. So originally Spider-man (2002) was suppose to release in 2001 but was delayed because of 9/11 & ended up releasing in July 2002. The film production started in 2000. So I always placed the film in 2001. Starting in 2001 & ending early winter 2002 That would also be why the newspaper says 2001.

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Yeah, I definitely agree that the first Raimi movie was supposed to come out in 2001. But the fact that the date in the newspaper doesn't work for 2001 is interesting. There's no doubt that the timeline for the original trilogy isn't very tight. They didn't seem as interested in timelines back then. I mean the X-men timeline is a total hot mess, for example. It makes the MCU's timeline look like pure genius. 🤣

[@SchellShocker79]

I think the thing to keep in mind when making a “timeline” between universes is that different universes can be at different points in time simultaneously. Spider-Man Noir says he’s from a universe in the 1920s which means that in his universe, it’s over 100 years in the past RIGHT NOW. If we apply that same logic. It’s possible that every person in spiderverse and in NWH regardless of what point they are at in the “timeline” is actually in a universe where that is happening sequentially to the present

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Well said...I do indeed think that's the answer. Heck, Peni is from 3145, which is just wild. So yeah, that does indeed seem to be the answer. Great feedback!

[@RitikMaurya07]

23:56 I haven't watched spiderverse across the multiverse because it was an animated movie. So, I'm quite surprised that an animated movie has a scene of venom's universe? Should I watch spider verse? Is it that necessary? Or is it just a scene?

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Great question! So in answer to the venom scene, you are correct that it is just a very short scene and doesn’t have any significant tie to the venom verse, other than just connecting it to the greater spider verse. In other words, nothing happens in the scene that is of major consequence. However, to your larger question of whether to watch the spider verse movies, I would recommend it simply because they’re really good. I was skeptical at first just like you, but I was really impressed after watching both. So I would definitely say they’re worth a watch if you have the time.

[@StupidMarioBros1Fan]

Endgame should've never introduced a five year time skip, they've yet to do a story that takes place within those 5 years so all it's done is make everyone have to do extra work to make sure the timeline makes sense instead of keeping it within the present year. Should've gone with 5 weeks or months as you'd still get the desired effect of everyone's lives being disrupted but without having to deal with adding multiple years to whenever a movie was made. In regards to if Tobey's Spider-Man was from the future, I think the interview was referring to Tobey's actual age because he's in his 40s. He was in his 20s when filming the first Spider-Man movie so probably meant to take off a few years which would line up better with NWH. Animated films constantly have errors, it's just like a live action movie where tons of people work on the same project. Miscommunication/No Communication happens all the time, so the July 2023 date was most likely a mistake as the movie was set to release in 2023. Someone was misinformed about the date the movie takes place in, and then no one caught it before release because it's a small number & not the focus of the scene. Fans noticed because they were looking for dates, it's easier to miss things when you aren't looking for them. It'll be interesting to see if the date changes in the home release version as animated films will sometimes change minor things after the initial release. Most companies probably won't bother but with Marvel fans being pretty vocal about timelines, there's a chance that someone might look into it.

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Yeah, I totally agree on the Endgame jump. Would have been alot better to just be 5 weeks, as you point out. It's been a pain to deal with ever since. I do suspect they did it to "age up" some characters, such as Cassie, but it's still a thorn in our side to this very day. You may well be right about Tobey. Perhaps they did mean his actual age. Although his actual age during No Way Home was 47, so it's hard to tell for sure. And yeah, it could well have been an mistake with the date on that security camera screen. Would be wild if they actually fixed it when it shows up on digital. Great feedback as always!

[@brybanz2085]

8:54 ned leeds posted that

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Ikr? I love the detail they put in each news story, right down to the authors!

[@hifive789]

22:50 something, I like Geekritique's sliding timeline theory on that, if you want to give it a watch. It's also a thing in the comics. And I also like to think that every universe has a different present day. So, one universe is 1933 while at the same time in another universe it's 2024.

[@AbitofEverything4U]

I agree...that sliding timeline is an interesting concept. The biggest issue I have with ATSV isn't so much whether it's a sliding timeline but whether they are giving us valid dates. That July date makes no sense considering Miles is still in school. So I'm really interested to see what timeline hints they give us when BTSV arrives. Also, with the Venom-verse it will be interesting to see what timeline hints we get in Venom 3. If they give us a 2024 date (or something current like that) then it will go a long way to explaining the timeline. So I'm good with a sliding scale idea, and I hope we get some solid indications on that down the road. As for each universe having a different present day, I love that idea. I did a follow-up up vid regarding the Sony timeline on different present days in case you are interested: kzbin.info/www/bejne/qJiqaqZ6gNV6gMk.

[@hifive789]

@@AbitofEverything4U I think the reason why Venom 2 takes place in 2020 is because that's where it was supposed to be released before a certain pandemic screwed all that up. And the reason for the small Morbius reference is the fact that Morbius was originally scheduled to release before Venom 2, before that pandemic screwed all that up as well.

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Yep, definitely agree 100% on the irl reasoning for the 2020 timeline in Venom 2 and 2019 timeline for Morbius. And so I'll be fascinated to see if they keep consistent with that timeline or they try to move it around when Venom 3 comes out.

[@pakimonsas]

If we synchronize all the dates with the MCU timeline then it goes like this: Spider-Man - Apr-Dec, 1999 Spider-Man 2 - Mar-Apr, 2001 Spider-Man 3 - Jun-Jul, 2002 TASM - Jan-Apr, 2013? TASM 2 - Jun 2014 - Mar 2015? Venom - Oct 2022 - Apr 2023 Morbius - Jun 2023 Into the Spiderverse - Dec 2023 Venom 2 - Oct-Nov, 2024 No Way Home - Jul-Dec, 2024 Morbius (post-credits) - Nov? 2024 Across the Spiderverse - Apr 2025

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Nice! Makes sense. Thanks so much for sharing!

[@realjohnlove]

28:25 Remember Multiverse of Madness was originally suppose to release before No Way Home

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Good point! That said, that year seems like it would still be off from the date of release, even if the movies were flipped. It is actually looking more like 2/12/2021 the more I zoom in on it. That seems even more strange, tbh. But yeah, it could very well have been a mistake. If it was intentional, however, then it is pretty wild to think 838 was on a different "present day" than 616!

[@realjohnlove]

@@AbitofEverything4U well 838 didnt go through a snap/blip because they beat Thanos so it could very well be 2021 or 23

[@AbitofEverything4U]

@@realjohnlove Excellent point!

[@timtyson3910]

The movies make a point of saying time flows differently between universes, the year could be 1920 in one while 50000 in the other and both be the present

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Oh, I guess I missed that in the movies, other than what I mentioned in the vid about Multiverse of Madness showing that 838 has a different "present day" than 616. Did it get brought up in other movies? If so, that's great!

[@timtyson3910]

It's never stated that I can remember but spiderman noir is from the 20s if I recall correctly and in across the spiderverse the watch things are said to travel the multiverse but not travel time. If they were actually moving through time then Miguel would already of known about the multiverse threats such as spot and kang

[@AbitofEverything4U]

@@timtyson3910 Yes, excellent points. I agree 100%!

[@DarthTingleBinks]

Good to know that Morbius takes place before Let There Be Carnage. It's not super important, but it helps to keep my MCM watching order as smooth as possible. But, for anyone wondering, I will list my watching order for the Spider-Verse films so far released, including the MCU trilogy here. 1. Spider-Man: Homecoming -- Simple enough, it happens roughly six months after Captain America: Civil War. Hell, watch that before this if you want. 2. Spider-Man: Far From Home -- Also fairly simple, as it happens eight months after Endgame. You can watch both Infinity War and Endgame between Homecoming and Far From Home if you wish. 3a. So, I actually watched Tobey's trilogy here, but I'll tell you what you should actually do in 3b and list Tobey's trilogy whenever you should actually watch it. 3b. Venom -- First time diving into a separate universe. 4a. Similar thing, I watched Andrew's duology here. 4b. Spider-Man: Into the Spider-Verse -- Yet another universe, but this time we dive into the multiverse juat a little bit. 5. Morbius -- I originally had that way later, right before Across the Spider-Verse, as that explains the Vulture's appearance in this film, but since it technically happens before Let There be Carnage, I have now moved it here. Also, I guess the fact this takes place before Let There be Carnage kinda confirms that... 6. Venom: Let There be Carnage -- Sequel to the first film, but what's important is the post credit scene, where Eddy is transported into the MCU, this coming hust after Venom mentions the Multiversal Symbiote hive mind. At first, I didn't want to think this was why Eddy goes to the MCU, but since Morbius takes place before this, I have to concede to it, because Venom in Spider-Man 3 is very much aware of Spider-Man's identity, which ties into... 7. Not yet, you don't. Now we watch the Tobey trilogy, followed by... 8. The Andrew Garfield duology. Why? Because, a villain from each of these five films shows up in... 9. Spider-Man: No Way Home -- Villains from previous, non-MCU Spider-Man movies are transported to this universe because Doctor Strange's spell accidentally (because Peter fucked it up) pulled in people from other universes who know Peter Parker is Spider-Man. Even though Electro likely had no idea who Peter Parker was, or that he even existed. He may have heard Gwen Stacy call Peter's name during his fight with Spider-Man in the third act of TASM2, but do you know how many Peters there are? A lot. Have fun counting. Also, I'll just mention that No Way Home is also wrong about all of the villains dying. Sandman and Lizard are the obvious ones, as Sandman just floated away on the wind, and Lizard was cured and locked up in prison. As for Electro, despite people thinking he died, and despite what the movie itself says, Max became pure electricity. He can travel through electrical wiring for God's sake. Electricity is a form of energy, and as we should also from middle school (or whenever you learned it), energy cannot be created or destroyed. So when Electro goes poof, he doesn't die, he just merely scatters. He can easily have come back later on once all his energy has come back together, much like the Iron Giant and all of his pieces. Hell, it would have been insane for Sony to kill him off in that film considering they were planning out a whole universe that was eventually canned, but with the teases for other villains at the end of TASM2, and the villains in both films, there was an entire lineup for the Sinister Six, which they desperately wanted (and still want) to do. Also, the post credit scene follows up on Let There be Carnage's post credit scene (about time, you watched Let There be Carnage ages ago, if you followed this viewing order), and it just sends Eddy back to his own universe with the TEASE of Venom eventually appearing in the MCU. Now, technically, the fact he goes back to his own universe without the intervention of the Spider Society should have made me go along with the Multiversal Symbiote hive mind, but I just initially chalked it up to these post credit scenes not wanting to interfere too much with Across the Spider-Verse, as it would come out over a year later and they wouldn't want to give any spoilers. But it's generally assumed to occur at the same time as all the other characters from different universes being sent back to their origin points. Which would create branches, as well, so it would be interesting to see the follow up from when they're returned to their universes. Though they supposedly were all taken "right before they died" so both Green Goblin and Doc Ock would still die. But everyone else? They're alive. Except maybe Electro. Because he was literally about to be overloaded with electricity, so he might be electrocucted to death. And Dr. Connors would be cured, so depending on when he was returned to, he might also die. Especially if he was either falling a large height, or if he was in that little pit where he was being frozen and shot at. So really, Sandman is the ONLY villain can safely assume lives through the event. Supposing he also wasn't dropped off at a large height or wasn't about to get bombed by one of Harry's pumpkin bombs... Holy shit... Did the three Peters actually make sure ALL of the villains died? Damn. That's gotta suck big time. 10. Spider-Man: Across the Spider-Verse -- As I explained earlier, I previously has Morbius right before this, as this explains the Vulture appearing in that. But now you'll just have to wait extra long to understand why that happens. Granted, it doesn't explicitly mention that, but we can assume that Vulture's appearance in Morbius is because of the events of Into the Spider-Verse, which is the cause for all the displacement seen or mentioned in Across the Spider-Verse. Edit: You can watch or read any additional side material where applicable if you choose to do so. Edit 2: The Spider-Verse films exist in what is called a "Sliding Timeline". Basically, the entries take place in our present, despite all contradictions in universe that says that far fewer years have passed. But BOTH are true simultaneously. The Marvel Comics do the exact same thing. There's a video about this on Geekritique's channel.

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Wow...that's some excellent commentary. I love it! Yeah, it's fun to try to decide how to watch the spider-man movies in relation to the overall MCU. Your watch plan sounds great. As for the "sliding timeline", I really enjoyed Dak's vid, but I'm not yet convinced that's how Sony is handling things. It could be, but I'm also wondering if they just retconned ITSV into 2021 or if the 2023 references in ATSV were mistakes. The weirdest one is that it has the July, 2023 date on the ATM at the same time Miles is still in school. So that doesn't work very well. Hopefully BTSV can give us a final answer on how Miles timeline works. Also, if you haven't seen my vid on how each universe has a different "present day", you might check it out. It shows the Spider-Man timeline and how present day fits together across each movie series: kzbin.info/www/bejne/qJiqaqZ6gNV6gMk. Anyway, really appreciate all your excellent feedback. Thanks so much for watching the vid and sharing your thoughts!

[@timprimetal5380]

In regards to the No Way Home villains: I believe the implication is that each one is pulled from the moment in time they learned Peter’s identity in their own universes, and then Tobey and Andrew are pulled from the concurrent year, so 2024 in their respective universes. The 43 years old comment may have just been referring to Tobey’s real life age? What that means for Venom, idk. Maybe him mentioning the hive mind somehow led him to linking up with a memory from Topher Grace, who saw Tobey unmasked, and that was enough to get him pulled in?

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Yes, I think you are correct about the villains...and I also suspect that Venom was transported for the reason you said as well. As for Tobey, I do like to think he came from present day. But since the villains came from the past, I guess no reason for Tobey to not come from the future. Wonder if Marvel will ever tell us? Anyway, great feedback. Thanks for watching the vid and sharing your thoughts. Really appreciate it!

[@timprimetal5380]

@@AbitofEverything4U Thank YOU for making them! You've put a lot of work into all of these and it really scratches an itch for the timeline nerd in me!

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Thanks! I'm a total timeline nerd myself, so I just love taking deep dives into this stuff!

[@realjohnlove]

26:40 it couldn’t be present day in Miles universe. Miguel said that line on Gwen’s Earth. And on Gwen’s Earth, she & Peter Parker were 16 year olds. Which means its possible she’s already from the past to begin with

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Good point...yeah, I'm beginning to think each universe has a different "present day". I mean, we see Noir's "present day" is the 30's while Peni's is 3145. So they definitely seem to be implying everyone's universe has a different flow of time. Wild stuff!

[@PaulinaAngel]

If the days are not lining up, then I think we can also consult Loki on how they travel through different timelines or universes.

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Great observation! So for Loki, my assumption has been that branches can form at any point in the past or the present. So the TVA is transporting into the different branches to prune them and in some cases those branches are earlier or later in the timeline than the present day of the MCU (i.e. 2025). Thus, it seems they are going in the past or the future, but really they are just pruning a branch that formed earlier or later in the timeline. At least, that's how I've always thought it worked. Let me know what you think. One thing is for sure...the multiverse is confusing. It leads to some very cool stories, but it also makes my head hurt!

[@projectX928]

The daily bugle logo in the mcu is different and makes sense

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Right! The logo would very likely be different in each universe. I totally agree!

[@projectX928]

Of course,great vid btw❤

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Thanks!

[@wachinimagaming4898]

I think TASM 2 actually goes on longer, Gwen gets accepted into Oxford and tries to leave early for a summer class, the same day that she died sadly. So add five months to that, it looks like it goes into October/November 2015.

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Interesting...with the epilogue that would then move it into Mar, 2016.

[@wachinimagaming4898]

@@AbitofEverything4U When Aunt May almost catches him in his room, she also tells him he’s gonna be late for his finals, so I assumed there was about a year long jump during his montage between his graduation/break up to the main events of the movie, but that would mean Norman would’ve died in 2015 instead of 2014. I never know about the promotion material for TASM1 placing it in 2013, so I always assumed it was 2012, graduates in 2013, then a year to jump to the main TASM2 story in 2014. Is it possible TASM1 got retconned to now take place a year earlier?

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Those are some good possibilities for the timeline. Here I thought we had the movie nailed down, but you raise some great questions!

[@wachinimagaming4898]

@@AbitofEverything4U thank you very much! coming from you that means a lot, lol. I’ve been trying to make my own sense of the X-men timeline these last few months, so in comparison the Spider-Man movies are pretty easy.

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Yeah, those X-Men timelines are something else. Let me know when you make those vids...i'm always interested to see what people land on!

[@Marvelmultiversefan]

I have a theory, I think that navigating the multiverse is kinda like the time traveling in endgame, in endgame when Tony and Steve typed the year and day to go to when they had to go get the space stone in the 1970s. So I think it can be like that but just with the addition of adding where in the multiverse you want to go. Say if I wanted to go to a certain earth in a certain time period, I think the coordinates would be something like this, Earth 47, march 18, 1985. I also think one of the writers for Loki said that time travel and the multiverse are the same. Explaining the powers and magic on the other hand I think the powers and magic can be unpredictable to where or when you to which part of time in which earth unlike technology.

[@AbitofEverything4U]

That's a good theory and it does make sense in the context of Endgame where they were specifically trying to go to certain points in time. I am wondering if there might also be a universal principle across universes that "present day" in one universe isn't necessarily "present day" in another. So Spider-Man Noir's present day is the 30's, while Peni's is 3000's and SM 2099 is...well, 2099. That could explain how the Spider-verse is in 2020 but the MCU is in 2025, for example. Let me know what you think about that. I definitely think Marvel needs to explain it for us, as it is very confusing right now. But thanks for sharing your feedback and theories. Really appreciate it!

[@Marvelmultiversefan]

In into the spider verse Gwen was shoot back into next week so when she was pulled into Miles universe, so maybe it can work with pulling different people in different universe but into the future or past, like with the spell in no way home pulling some of the villains from the past. And maybe some technology advances fast in different universes than others. I love your idea of one universes present day being different than the another universes present day which explains with noir’s, Miguel’s and other spider people being in different time periods .

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Yes, I think your idea could indeed work...combined with the fact that some universes are on different timelines with different "present days". It all sorta works together. Nice call!

[@warsthemarvel8608]

This is how I view the Spider Men timelines, Tobey is in the 2000’s verse/Fox X men verse, Andrew in the SonyVerse (Venom and Morbius. Until Sony gives us a new Spidey I’m just gonna pretend it’s the TasmVerse).

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Yeah, I'm really hoping Andrew is in the Venom/Morbius verse. But I do struggle with Tobey being in the X-verse since we don't see the movies mention each other at all. However, I guess that's possible, too. Maybe one day Sony will tell us. Sure would be nice. Anyway, great feedback!

[@hifive789]

I'd love you to explore the Star Trek or Doctor Who timelines. It's harder than Marvel or DC but regardless, I'd still love you do it.

[@AbitofEverything4U]

I'm a huge Star Trek fan and would love to try to tackle it one day. I've heard Paramount is very difficult to work with when sharing images/clips in YT videos, but I'm not sure on that. As for Dr. Who, that timeline is about as wibbly wobbly as they come. It could be the death of me...lol!

[@hifive789]

@@AbitofEverything4U I think no matter what it should be protected by Fair Use. Plus I think images aren't really flagged the same way that video clips are, so as long as Paramount doesn't manually claim the video (which is unlikely, and even if, as I said, it should be protected by Fair Use) you should be fine. But it's just what I know, so don't quote me on that.

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Yeah, I may check into it. I just hear other YT-ers saying they don't want to do vids on it due to Paramount but perhaps that's overblown. I really do love Star Trek and have watched it for years.

[@hifive789]

@@AbitofEverything4U I know many great Star Trek KZbinrs (Certifiably Ingame, Enchantment of Eternity, OrangeRiver, Rowan J. Coleman, and Treknerd (German one)) and they don't seem to have problems with showing pictures and sometimes even clips. Of course, I wouldn't stretch my luck on using clips. I really love Star Trek too despite the trauma the Borg gave me when I first saw them in First Contact. I've created a system for converting TNG-era Stardates to real dates. It isn't official, but I still think it's interesting. It involves a lot of math though. It's very mathematical, in fact, it's purely mathematical and not official, sadly.

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Niiiiice! Yeah, I've tried to do that before and it isn't easy, but it's fun to try to do that startdate conversion.

[@jonahnichols1]

I feel like "present day" does not matter across the universes because like you pointed out, Across the Spider-Verse is before No Way Home chronologically but also after because of the mentioning of what happened in No Way Home. The What If show also has different timelines because when the Watcher recruits them from their universes I feel like it is during their present day which comparing the fact that Captain Carter is at the start of her Winter Soldier equivalent but they end their battle in the Ultron world which is after Winter Soldier, and even then the Black Widow from the Ultron world ends in the Dead Avengers world which at the time that she is placed is however long after finding Captain America and thawing him and for them to be on a helicarrier so maybe close to Avengers which is still before Age of Ultron, I feel time does not matter when it comes down to it. Even if you wanted to add the X-men movies to this, the fact they do not seem to age from the 60s-90s means that they take place in different universes with different times for events because Michael Fassbender in First Class was 34 but in Dark Phoenix he was 42 so unless in the X-men time line of 30 years Erik only aged 8 years or the movies are all in different timelines where past events like WWII happen at different times because Erik/Magneto was a teen during the holocaust, the scene of young Erik at the start of the movie takes place in 1944 so that would make Erik 16 at that time if Fassbender's age was correct for Erik during the time of the movie, so if we followed the idea that First class, Days of Future Past, Apocalypse, and Dark Phoenix are all one time line, Erik would be 34 in first class, then in Days of future Past (takes place in 73) he would be 45, in Apocalypse (takes place in 83) he would be 55, and finally in Dark Phoenix (takes place in 92) he would be 64. Fassbender was 42 playing a 64 year old or the things that happened in each movie would take place a decade later each movie, for example in Dark Phoenix, aka 1992, if Erik is supposed to be the actual age of Fassbender of 42 that would mean that the WWII scene with young Erik in that timeline would be in 1966 which would be 4 years after the events of First Class which takes place in 62. Also for another reason to hate the X-men timeline, Fassbender is either playing a 42 or 64 year old in 1992 and Ian McKellen was 61 during the filming of the first X-men which is supposed to take place in the year 2000 when it came out, so if McKellen's age is correct for the movie, either Erik aged 19 years or became 3 years younger in the 8 year time span between when Dark Phoenix and X-Men take place. Also, If Ian McKellen was playing 61 in X-Men that would make him 5 years old in 1944 so if the scene of young Erik was when he was 16, then that scene during WWII would put it at 1955 if Ian McKellen's age was correct for Eric. Time is irrelevant across universes *Mic Drop*

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Excellent points about the Watcher recruiting the team in What If and also the X-men timeline. I think that makes alot of sense. Love it!

[@spider-dude2476]

In WHAT IF... The Guardian's of the Multiverse are all from different points in time (Carter 2014, Thor 2011, Erik 2008, Strange 2016, Ti'challa 2014, Gimora 2012-14?, Black Widow 2015) and when the Watcher & Infinity Ultron fight we briefly see a world that's still in mid evil times.

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Exactly! And Spider-man Noir is in the past and Penni the far future. So I think the MoM scene was indeed cementing into canon that traveling to a different universe may mean traveling to a different "present day" than in your own universe. You said it perfectly!

[@spider-dude2476]

​@@AbitofEverything4U I just realized that if a bit of the Venom symbiote is in the MCU what else was left behind. Like the Green Goblins broken mask & his glider & one of Otto's tentacles.

[@AbitofEverything4U]

@@spider-dude2476 Great point! Will be interesting to see where the story goes from here!

[@MatthewK122]

Thx explore Spider-Man universe

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Thanks! I had alot of fun trying to to put the timelines together. Really appreciate you watching and sharing your feedback. Let me know if you have any other suggestions for future videos!

[@Jansenbaker]

Tobey mid 40s Different time periods being "present day" is everywhere. I see it as No Way Home brought the Spidermen from where & when they were when the spell was done, and Tobey is playing a mid-40s Peter. I read that article to solely be referring to the actor's age, making a big deal that, "Yeah he was much younger then, but we aren't gonna change how he looks." And about the time periods. My man, this is the case with so many alternate Spidey variants. Spider-Man 2099 is his present at the same time as Peni Parker's future time, Noir's 60s, Mile's 2018-2020, cowboy Spidey's Western time, and Gwen's "I was thrown into last week. Literally." I wouldn't be surprised if the numbers of 838's (and Gwen's world's) time are slightly off of ours.

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Great comments! On Tobey, I thought it might be his age when the movie was being filmed as well, but he was 47 at that point, instead of 43...so it's just really confusing. But as for the different universes being on different time periods...I totally agree. And in fact, MoM seemed to prove that when Christine Palmer's computer showed a present date that was nearly 2 years earlier than present day in 616. Wild stuff! Anyway, thanks so much for watching the vid and sharing your feedback. Love to hear what fellow MCU fans are thinking!

[@Jansenbaker]

@@AbitofEverything4U I just realized I'm wrong on Gwen's. She somehow traveled into _Miles's universe's_ past, from the point of the incident. She wasn't just disoriented, she was around before the blow-up (confusingly). So I think we could see that plot point coming back like they did for the 42 spider and the bagel. Side note: how did Gwen: 1. Survive that long while glitching? 2. Not be seen glitching?

[@spider-dude2476]

​@@Jansenbaker That is a real good question now that you mentioned it.

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Oh wow...great points!

[@AbitofEverything4U]

@@spider-dude2476 Agreed...excellent questions!

[@madhavgupta2002]

29:00 Different universes have different dates on whjch the Gregorian calendar starts. On top of that add the various times the calenders were chabged by rulers like irl to fit their agendas uo till 12th centure Ik this is obviously not what the makers were thinking, but if one wanna stick with the logic that multiversal travels takes u to the same point in time as the home universe so as to sync the travel, then this can be a headcanon.

[@AbitofEverything4U]

I agree 100% That's the simplest solution to make it all work. So "present day" in each universe is different. It's confusing at first, but it's really the only way we can have Spider-Man Noir in the past and Penni in the future. Great observations!

[@madhavgupta2002]

@@AbitofEverything4U yes and that vulture from the past in ATSV

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Right!

[@BobboB-cy6px]

Can I ask why you included Gifted and Legion on your timeline?

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Great question. Legion intentionally doesn't have any lines connecting to it, as I don't personally think it's in the main X-men timeline and so I made it a "floater", but it does seem Gifted fits in where I placed it. As for the reasoning, if you get a chance, check out this vid: kzbin.info/www/bejne/nIqYmnqBnpWnfq8. I go through the reasons for both placements. Neither are definitive, but I tried my best to use the internal logic of the movies/shows as well as the director/writer quotes. Let me know what you think, if you get a chance to check it out. And thanks for watching this vid and leaving your question. Love to hear what fellow MCU fans are thinking!

[@realjohnlove]

24:10 this assumes Spot cant travel to other universes through time as well tho. If he went to Spider-Noir universe which is based in like the 1930s it wouldnt be 2020

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Could be that Spot can travel to the past or future...that said, I'm really getting into the theory that "present day" in each universe is different due to different flows of time.

[@WhiteRaven696]

The likeliest explanation is the same one the comics use; time works differently from universe to universe. Time does not pass at the same rate in all realities, and even if time passes at the same rate for two specific universes, they may not be set in the same year. Case in point, Earth-616 and Earth-311. They both exist parallel to one another, and presumably time passes at the same rate for both, but 616 has a sliding timescale dragging most big events from 1961 onward into the past 15 years, while 311 is permanently stuck in the year 1602.

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Excellent point! Yes, I do think this appears to be the answer in the MCU. I mean, we see Noir's "present day" is the 30's while Peni's is 3145. So they definitely seem to be implying everyone's universe has a different flow of time. Thanks for sharing your theory...I think you nailed it!

[@Doddser]

I just always assumed that each universe is off from the others by different factors of time. Some are only hours or seconds off so you wouldn't be able to tell, while others are years off (838 or Venomverse) and others are decades off (like 2099 or Spider-Man Noir). Tobey's universe is just a few years ahead of the MCU, leading to the age difference.

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Yes, I think what you said makes perfect sense. I did a follow-up video on that, in fact, if you are interested: kzbin.info/www/bejne/qJiqaqZ6gNV6gMk. Thx so much for watching the vid and sharing your thoughts. Really appreciate it!

[@bibbib03]

Sony's timelines are always confusing... but if I remeber correctly even in itSV Gwen was pulled out of her universe to Miles' one for about a week prior to events of the movie. Time works for Sony in a truly mysterious ways, so I would keep your dates in timeline in that exact order as you've presented here! :)

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Yeah, that's a very good point about Gwen. They never explained how she arrived early. Also, she wasn't glitching, as I recall. So there are some very strange things in ITSV, now that you mention it!

[@bibbib03]

I'm pretty sure she glitched in May's basement with rest of the spider-people. BTW, what do you think about last scene from INSV where Miles is laying on the bed and the portal opens with Gwen shouting Miles name? It's like a kind of dream or wishful thinking (since he was sad later in ATSV that no-one ever came visit him), or it's more like scene-from-ATSV-without-knowing-it back then (it's animated almost identical frame to frame, but Miles is clearly younger).

[@AbitofEverything4U]

@@bibbib03 Ah, I think you are right about her glitching in May's basement. Good point. As for that final ITSV scene, I think your idea of it being a dream makes sense. Or, it was retconned to be the scene in ATSV with Miles aging up abit. I suspect both scenes didn't actually happen and that one of those two explanations fit pretty well. What do you think?

[@bibbib03]

When I watched ITSV I thought it as a set up for next movie, but now I see it more as dream-like. So maybe ATSV really did recon it (just in my mind tho ;p)

[@AbitofEverything4U]

@@bibbib03 Yes, good point, when I first saw ITSV, I assumed it was a setup for the next movie. But now it seems we have to go with either a dream or a retcon. Both make sense. I do like the dream idea better, though. Nice call!

[@vincently1995]

Major Spider-Man Movies: •Raimi Trilogy •Webb Duology •MCU Movies (including Spider-Man) •SSU Movies •Spider-Verse Movies

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Such an amazing list of films for Spider-Man. Definitely my favorite super-hero!

[@realjohnlove]

3:13 Problem with the novel is Peter’s birthday is in the summer time.

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Yeah, I definitely agree that the novel's aren't completely reliable. But in this case, the date seems to work out really well.

[@andrewveenstra282]

The novel suggesting Peter’s birthday is in August has to be disregarded. The film itself holds priority.

[@AbitofEverything4U]

@@andrewveenstra282 Good point. I agree that the movie need to hold more weight.

[@realjohnlove]

Spider-man 2 has to occur over a much longer period of time than March-April 2002. He literally quits Spider-man for months not a few weeks. And he stopped sending in pictures and spent enough time to fix his grades and it has to be enough time to make up MJs dating to engagement. I’ll have to rewatch it again but the 2.5 version of the film has some more time stuff in it

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Hmmmm...are you sure the movie implies he gave it up for months? Remember, Jameson got a hold of the costume that was thrown in the trash and made a big deal of it. But I'm not sure the movie indicates he gave up being Spider-Man for months. As for MJ, I got the impression that she had been dating for awhile and that the wedding announcement was for a quick wedding. Anyway, if you find anything in the movie that makes it have to take several months that he gave up being Spider-Man, let me know. You could be right, but I just don't remember the movie seeming to span that much time.

[@andrewveenstra282]

There’s nothing in the film indicating he quit for months. The fact it’s nearly exactly two years after Ben’s death + the Monday, April 26th wedding constrains the film to March-April 2004 which ends up still working out pretty well (he quit being Spider-Man between late March-mid-April - that’s still okay)

[@andrewveenstra282]

Also, Peter and May visit Ben’s grave later in the movie, an indication that this is the anniversary of his death, thus supporting the film only spanning a month up until this point given May’s “two years next month” line at the start of the movie.

[@AbitofEverything4U]

@@andrewveenstra282 Yeah, I agree... it didn't seem to me Peter gave up being Spider-Man for very long.

[@adrianhaack4081]

I guess everyone has already said it, but yes each universe has its own time so when you enter it you could be in the future, present, or past. For example spider man noir you would be sent to the past or 2099 in the comics I believe is alongside the 616 universe but is ahead in the future. But does this mean not all universes were created at the same time?

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Great question! That's why I was struggling with the idea of different universes having different a different "present day". But perhaps it has less to do with time passing differently or the universes being created at different times, but maybe each universe started their "year zero" at a different point. That could solve it, potentially. But I do agree that we need the movies to confirm how it works one way or another. Maybe they can address it in BTSV next year? Anyway, thanks for the excellent feedback on the vid. Really appreciate you watching and sharing your thoughts!

[@drewdrew2172]

I just love the multiversal web of movies and shows that connect into a larger story now. Who would of thought the MCU, Tobey & Andrew movies, Venom-verse, Spider-verse, Spectacular Spider-Man, Video Games and even LEGO is all connected 😂 it’s amazing but daunting for rewatches at the same time.

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Ikr? So cool! Absolutely love it!

[@JcFerggy]

Once we start to get into crossing the spider-verse, the timeline no longer really matters. Its the same sort of thing as Quantum time travel. Plus, Peni is also likely from the future, and Noir from the past. As for the time on the stores cameras, the guy could have failed to properly set the time. How many time have we seen home video setups back in the day still set to its stock time?

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Yes, excellent points about each universe having different "present days". It's abit confusing, tbh, but it's the only possible solution. Will be interesting to see if they try to explain it further in future movies. Regarding the store's cameras, I'm definitely with you that they are sometimes not set to the correct time, but these monitors showed a date that was 3 years and 3 months into the future. Present day was Apr, 2020 in ATSV but the cameras read July, 2023. I really do wonder if that was intentional. But we'll have to see if Part 3 tells us more. Thanks so much for watching the vid and sharing your thoughts. Really appreciate it!

[@frogoat]

With regards to the differing points in time, as others have noted, each universes' 'present' is different. As for the Let There Be Carnage post-credits, Eddie and Venom were pulled from their present when they became aware of Pete's identity, much like all the villains. Miguel is the Spider-Man of 2099 so presumably all of the other films events are in his (relative) past anyway so he'd obviously be aware of Doctor Strange and the nerds transgressions against the multiverse. The real question is why he didnt see Miles actions or even the outcome of the Kingpins collider being turned on...

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Yes, I do really like the idea of each universe's "present day" being different. But I do wonder in that case if SM 2099 is not from the future, per se, but if his "present day" is 2099. Likewise, Peni's present day would be 3145. That would then explain why he didn't see Miles' actions, as they hadn't happened yet. It's confusing to think Miguel's "present day" is a later calendar year than Miles' "present day", but I don't think Miguel has insight into people's futures, per se. Thoughts?

[@frogoat]

@A bit of Everything If Miguel doesn't know what the actual future of any given spidey is, then he really is playing fast and loose with their fates by insisting his algorithm for Canon events is always accurate...

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Well said! That's my biggest issue with Miguel, and with the Spider-Society for trusting him implicitly. BTSV will very likely take up this topic as Gwen's team fights against Miguel and his viewpoint. Can't wait for part 3!

[@SiIIy_]

Don’t remember if you mention this in the video but we can also come to the conclusion that Peter was born in April for the Sam Rami trilogy because of his birthday in SM2

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Ah, yes, excellent point. I didn't mention that, but that sounds correct. Good clarification!

[@GhostPatronYT]

Does Madam Web fit in this timeline ? What about Kraven will he be from any of this ?

[@AbitofEverything4U]

It’s really hard to know what to do with Madam Web. They never said which specific timeline she’s in. The Peter Parker in the movie doesn’t really fit with any of the ages of the existing Spider-Man. As for Kraven, my guess is he will be in the same timeline as the venom-verse.

[@GhostPatronYT]

@@AbitofEverything4U so I guess Madam is a complete different universe

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Or it could be part of the venom timeline… Since that wouldn’t mess anything up. Maybe they want a Spider-Man to show up eventually in that timeline

[@realjohnlove]

4:49 the movies were filmed in these period might not be a determining factor for the timeline

[@AbitofEverything4U]

I don't disagree, but it does seem they wanted us to see that 2005 billboard. That said, I've always liked the idea that SM 3 happens later than 2005. So I'll give this some thought. Thanks for asking the question!

[@TheMattLuigi]

Aww yeah it’s all coming together 😏 We can celebrate the fact that Morbius is in fact canon, and he will in no doubt be the star of Avengers Kang Dynasty.

[@AbitofEverything4U]

It's morbin' time!

[@TheMattLuigi]

I assume you haven't played it but the Amazing Spider Man game actually takes place in between ASM1 and ASM2. I'm 100% sure it's not canon since the Rino and other villains have drastic different designs. However from what I played, there is nothing in the game that makes it impossible to take place in between of the movies. So if you want to take the game into account, The Amazing Spider-Man (home console version at least) could fit in the timeline!

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Very cool! No, I haven't ever played it, but that's great to know where it fits in the continuity!

[@TheMattLuigi]

@@AbitofEverything4U I expect a update to the timeline in the next Spider Man video 😉🤣🤣

[@AbitofEverything4U]

I gotta go find that game right away!

[@TheMattLuigi]

@@AbitofEverything4U the home console version is sadly pretty rare and expensive. However I actually made a video about a bunch of Spider Man games including ASM1. It’s in Dutch though 😅

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Oh, cool! I'll have to check it out.

[@leebland8184]

The MCU did mash time travel with multiverse hopping. You could have someone getting pulled into another universe and came back just before he/she left.

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Yeah, the multiverse and time travel sure do create some crazy situations!

[@viktore7369]

You forgot that the first movie had the World Trade Center Twin Towers in it. Therefore it is set in 2001.

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Yeah, that's actually an interesting backstory. The movie was supposed to release prior to 9/11 but got delayed due to the tragedy. However, it seems it was established to be 2002 in the movie based on the other evidence. From an in-universe standpoint, we could just assume that in Tobey's universe, 9/11 didn't happen or happened later in the timeline. That's just my guess, at least. Let me know what you think. And thanks for watching the vid and sharing your thoughts. Love to hear what fellow MCU fans are thinking!

[@viktore7369]

@@AbitofEverything4U I remember when I looked into this few months ago. It said SM1 took place in 2001, SM2 2003 and then SM3 take place in 2005. I’m gonna binge watch every Marvel project so I had to look it up.

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Always worth the time to do a re-watch of the Tobey movies, so if you do find any additional timeline evidence, let me know. Enjoy the re-watch!

[@viktore7369]

@@AbitofEverything4U Thank you 🙏 Yeah it will take me quite a bit of time. I’m gonna binge watch every Marvel/Sony/project ( Movies and Series ) in Chronological Order sometime this summer. Keep up the good work

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Love it. Should be a great time. And thanks for the positive feedback. Really appreciate it!

[@markdarc0448]

As silly as this sounds (Spoilers ahead for across the spiderverse) Would you consider doing a timeline video on the lego Spider-Man stuff? I know it’s super goofy but I’d love to see where the lego marvel superheroes games, and perhaps the lego marvel short films fit in with all this. You could also make this kinda game themed and do the Spider-Man ps4 games too. I know at this point there’s so much stuff in across the spiderverse that you could spend forever trying to figure out stuff like spectacular Spider-Man and Spider-Man unlimited too that might be higher on the priory list. I’m just curious if you have any plans to cover that stuff, or not since they are just small cameos.

[@AbitofEverything4U]

I loved that lego scene so much. And considering the writers also did the lego movie, that makes it all the more special. As for a timeline video, I'd be happy to do one, but I'll need to see if I can find any timeline clues. If nothing else, I could go by release date, because I just dont remember if many of the movies/shows/games cross over. Do you know off hand if there are alot of crossovers?

[@markdarc0448]

@@AbitofEverything4U that’s a good point, I know lego avengers covers some events of the mcu. And I also know that marvel super heroes 2 is based on a ton of crossovers including characters like Spider-Man 2099. I also think one of the lego marvel short films has a poster for thor the dark world. As for Spider-Man ps4 I’d imagine that would have quite a bit to work with, there’s a ton of documents and even references to graduation which can be very useful like with tobey. I think that spectacular Spider-Man, Spider-Man unlimited as well as the other show characters (I think there’s others but I can’t name them off the top of my head) would probably be the toughest. Especially Spider-Man unlimited because that is supposedly tied to the 90s show and therefore the rest of the marvel animated content at the time like the xmen 90s show. Maybe that universe deserves its own video perhaps around the release of xmen 97. That’s about what I know off the top of my head, I don’t know how much more clues you’d be able to find with further research. But I don’t know how difficult that could be and if it’s worth it for you, but I’d love to see it. So far I don’t see anyone talking about all the other Spider-Men in across the spiderverse and it seems right up your alley

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Those are some great connections. That really helps. I agree, perhaps when X-Men 97 comes out it will be worth several animated universe videos. Now if only I can tie in the OG '67 Spider-Man as well as my old pals Spider-Man and his Amazing Friends. I'll have to work pretty hard to pull those in, but at least the '67 SM got a few callouts in ITSV (end-credit) and ASTV (swinging into the battle with the spider-society) and SM&HAF got a small reference with video man being held captive by Miguel. So there was a small bit of love for the old school animation. Plus, that hilarious reference to the Atari Green Goblin. Too funny!

[@markdarc0448]

@@AbitofEverything4U totally agree! I loved all of those. Thanks for mentioning Spider-Man and his amazing friends as well somehow that totally flew over my head.

[@AbitofEverything4U]

@@markdarc0448 Cheesy as it was, I loved S-M & his Amazing Friends. I wanted a computer set-up like there's so much!

[@droupscoup]

Yes the whole the universes may not be in present day thing is confirmed by the existance of Spider-Man Noir and Penny Parker, one is fron the past and the other is from the future

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Excellent point! You are 100% correct on that.

[@Gapy66]

The multiverse has universes in different time periods

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Yes, I do think that has to be the answer. Great point!

[@omas1178]

In the multiverse there is a universe that is identical to the rami trilogy where the big bang happens 10 years later

[@omas1178]

Remember the vulture coming from renesance times

[@omas1178]

And the fact they went to 2099

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Yes, an alternate Rami trilogy could indeed solve it. But I also like your other idea that each universe has a different "present day". I mean, we have Noir with his present day in the 30's and Peni with hers in 3145. So ig each universe operates on a different flow of time. Wild

[@omas1178]

@@AbitofEverything4U yeah that's what I'm saying is that the Toby we see in no way home and the universe he is from has a separate big bang time to the MCU

[@AbitofEverything4U]

I'm not opposed to a separate big bang, but I admit that I like the idea of one starting point for the multiverse. However, I do think that as the singularities formed into stones, that the time stone could have formed differently in each universe, and thus time flows differently for each one. I could also see an even simpler explanation that each universe simply started their "zero year" at a different point in time. irl, we started year zero 2023 years ago, but perhaps Tobey's universe chose a different zero point. Anyway, I'd love for there to be only one big bang, but that's just me. Either way, your theory is awesome!

[@ColbysHealthbars]

I search this up Google that Kraven the Hunter is in the same universe as Venom

[@AbitofEverything4U]

I agree...I think he will indeed be in the Venom verse. We'll know for sure in a few short months!

[@SiIIy_]

I’m pretty sure years just don’t matter between universes.

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Right...I completely agree...Spider-Man Noir is from the 30s, Peni is from 3000 and Earth-67 is in the 60s, so it jumps all over. "Present day" is different for each universe. Great observation!

[@akira17_samurai]

Perhaps each timeline is behind by sometime

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Right...that's another great explanation for how it happens. I'm pretty convinced that each universe is on a different 'present day', but the exact reason for how is definitely wide open to many possibilities. Great feedback!

[@bluebellsforever]

I think the interview meant toby the actor, not the character !

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Yup, I do suspect that you're right. That's probably that he was meaning, but I also think the idea that Tobey's universe is at a different "present day" is cool, since the Spider-Verse and Venon-Verse movies have a different present day. Wonder if they'll change that when BTSV and Venom 3 arrive?

[@bluebellsforever]

@@AbitofEverything4U nah, venom 3 the last dance is right after the NWH post credits scene. So maybe 2021 ? Also BTSV is gonna be multiverse story, so by the time they get back to their own universe, it might be the same month or year, cuz idk if time passes while characters go thru the multiverse. Did they explain that in multiverse of madness movie ?

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Yeah, I suspect you're right on Venom, but what was so weird about ATSV is it had 2023 dates in the movie, even though ITSV had 2018 dates. So it seemed they were trying to be sneaky and move ATSV forward in the timeline and thus retcon ITSV into 2021. So I wonder if Venom 3 will do the same.

[@bluebellsforever]

​​@@AbitofEverything4Ualso you forgot about the amazing Spiderman game. It has an original story set between the original movie and the sequel.

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Yeah, I need to add video games for the Sony timeline.

[@theorycraftingmachine2876]

Spider-Man Across the Spider-Verse & Spider-Man Into the Spider-Verse are not connected to the Marvel Cinematic Universe, because the MCU is Earth-616, not Earth-199999!

[@AbitofEverything4U]

I think what must be happening is that Christine Palmer and Miguel have different numbering systems. And honestly, that makes sense to me. The likelihood that two different people that have had no contact with each other manage to have the exact same numbering systems would be very unlikely. So imma still call the MCU 616, as I like Christine's numbering system better...and that's for darn sure. I suspect you'd agree!

[@jasonhughes305]

My theory. Every universe has a different time while one universe the present day in 2024 while another is 2020. Take it like time zones in different countries every is happening all at the same time but it's a different time zone but when it comes to mulitverse it's years not hours that are the time difference. That's what I image

[@jasonhughes305]

Also spiderman 2099 has all times zones all maped out of every spiderman faith and events. So he knows Tom's spiderman is gunna mess up but once your ij the spiderverse place it's almost like the tva where there out side of time and spiderman 2099 sees all things spiderman events related

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Excellent feedback! Yes, I theorized that very idea of different present days in a follow-on vid: kzbin.info/www/bejne/qJiqaqZ6gNV6gMk. We are totally on the same page!

[@danielmarshall677]

This hurt my brain near the end of the video

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Yes, it hurt mine as well. The irl explanation for it is that the 5 year time jump marvel made in Endgame made the Sony and Marvel universes way off in their timelines. Combined with the fact that in general Sony and Marvel aren't working together, it makes it worse. However, I do think the in-universe answer is that each universe has a different "present day". So we've seen that Noir is in the 30's and Peni is in the 3000's and SM 2099 is...well from 2099. Yet, they all meet up together in the Spider-Society. Thus, it seems the each universe has a different "present day". Now, that hurts my head as well, but I guess there is no reason to think that time works exactly the same in each universe. I may do a follow-up video exploring that idea. Really appreciate you watching the vid and sharing your feedback. Love to hear from fellow MCU fans...even if the vid gives them a headache in the process.

[@serpentlord1312]

I got nothing to say but technically this is the last time we see Toby Peter suit up in his Spider-Man suit kzbin.info/www/bejne/oqfOh6mpf51qi6M if I remember correctly his always wearing his suit in No Way Home so that doesn’t count

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Oh, cool! I hadn't thought of it that way, but you are right!

[@serpentlord1312]

@@AbitofEverything4U actually now I have something to say so remember during Venom 2’s post credit scene when we see Eddie getting teleported to Earth 616 notice how he was taken exactly to where that room he was in would be in Earth 616 this makes me think if this is the exact same thing for the other villains and yes it is because Doctor Strange said he found Lizard in the sewers which is where he would have been after perfecting his Lizard serum towards the end of his film now here’s the thing could this logic be the same for when the villains return to their universes at their point in time if so then all five of them would have ended up at the Statue of Liberty far away from where their battles with their Spider-Man’s would be meaning Green Goblin never puts Aunt May in hospital (yes I believe he got taken in at that point in the film) Doc Ock never attempted to destroy his machine Sand Man’s story would remain the same since I think he got taken after Spider-Man 3 Lizard never goes to prison and Electro never blows up so yeah.

[@AbitofEverything4U]

@@serpentlord1312 That's a fascinating idea. It could very well explain how the villains all end up surviving their fates. The only reason I have to wonder if that's the case is that the villains were afraid they would return to their deaths, and the reason they were cured was to give them a chance to save themselves. So while I truly hope your theory is accurate, I do have to wonder if they are sent back to the same location that they came from originally.

[@realjohnlove]

23:51 animations make mistakes arguably more than live action

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Agreed...there can be alot of errors in animation. I just mean that in animation, you don't get an accidental shot of a phone that has an inaccurate date. In animation, you have to place each date there by hand. So it seems a date in animation was the date that was intended by the script. Hope that makes sense. I didn't phrase it very well in the vid. Sorry about that.

[@ICP96]

MY DUDE!! Animation is a difficult, and frankly, an unforgiving industry. And an underpaid industry but that's neither here nor there. People have been making mistakes in animation since the dawn of animation. Of course, nobody cared back then, because it was mostly shorts until Disney produced the original Snow White, and the seven dwarves animated film, the people who make animated movies can't keep track of everything, and when the product they gave us is this good a minor slip up like that is more than acceptable. As for the timeline thing, these are all parallel universe is to each other in one way or another. There are already plenty of differences between them, I honestly wouldn't be surprised if they were moving at a different rate of time. After all these universe are deviated from each other all the time, why wouldn't they do so temporally as well. Then, again, I am a huge NERD. So all of this nonsense makes more sense in my brain than actual science does, so go figure.

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Oh my, I hope I didn't come across as knocking the incredible work that animators do. I was meaning to say that with live action, errant dates sneak in all the time, as someone's phone appears on camera and it's the day of the filming, rather than the day that the movie is supposed to take place. On the other hand, animation is done specifically and so there are no accidental dates. Thus, I think that July 2023 date was intentional. Will be interesting to see if they keep using that timeframe for the 3rd movie next year. And I totally agree with you regarding universes operating on different times. Thus, the "present day" of one universe isn't necessarily the "present day" of another. It would explain how Noir's universe is in the past while Peni's universe is in the future. So I think you nailed it. Thx so much for watching the vid and sharing your thoughts. Really appreciate it!

[@ICP96]

@@AbitofEverything4U No Problem I'm always happy to watch your videos. And no I don't think you disrespected anybody or anything like that. I just want to point out that "I felt" it was a mistake. Things are certainly a little more deliberate in animation. But things can always slip through the cracks. Regardless I think what's most important is that we know when the movies take place in relation to each other, and not necessarily exact dates. Doesn't mean I don't want to know those dates, but still.

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Ah, I'm with you now. Okay, when I said mistake I more meant that the animators did what they were told, but perhaps the studio changed their mind. But yeah, I don't blame the animators at all. I blame the writers/directors/studios changing their minds over and over. Has to be a nightmare for the animation team!

[@pablo8524]

Somehow a more coherent timeline than the MCU

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Too funny...yeah, the MCU definitely has it's issues. I'm still impressed that it has a 15 year history but only has a handful of continuity problems. And ironically, the worst of those issues came from a Sony movie...Spider-Man: Homecoming of course gave us the infamous "8 years later". But yeah, timelines can get pretty messy. Thx so much for watching the vid and sharing your thoughts. Really appreciate it!

[@0Marty0]

Making fun of them for not knowing roman numerals while adding an extra "I" yourself. Ironic

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Oh how funny! That makes me laugh. Well, at least my roman numeral really WAS an actual roman numeral...although it was just the wrong roman numeral. There's was a roman numeral from the bizarro world. 🤣 Still...I can't believe I did that. Too funny!

[@lucasalen7914]

I think now we can say it's Marvel Cinematic Multiverse right? lol

[@AbitofEverything4U]

I do like that! The MCM is the multiverse and the MCU is just part of the greater MCM. Niiiiice!

[@lucasalen7914]

@@AbitofEverything4U I'm glad you liked the suggestion bro, you did a great job with this video. Now I challenge you and I also suggest a video, to make a video like this one with Fox's X-Men universe, like the one you did months ago, but detailed like this one marking the month and year of when the films take place, this is going to be really hard, good luck if you decide to do it.

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Oh man...that would truly be a very hard thing to pull off. The X-verse seemed very unwilling stick to any semblance of continuity. The fact that Wolverine: Origins contradicted so much of the first trilogy was when I threw up my hands in frustration. But yeah, that would indeed be quite the challenge. I'll give it some thought and if there are enough clues to really get it down to the month level, then I think it would be a pretty cool video indeed. Great suggestion!

[@lucasalen7914]

@@AbitofEverything4U That's why I only see First Class, the trilogy, The Wolverine, DoFP, Deadpool, Logan and Deadpool 2, because it's Deadpool and he knows that the Wolverine died and let's be honest he doesn't need or respect any continuity. Origins is such a confusing and contradictory movie as everything else in the franchise and the MCU Phase 1 timeline so I never put on my list. Well if you manage to find enough clues for a video it will be awesome, especially with Deadpool 3 coming next year, hopefully they shed some light on the continuity of the X-Men universe but it's Deadpool lol, well, good luck man.

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Yeah, it will get very interesting with DP 3 coming out. Can't wait to see how Feige ties the X-verse into the MCU. Should be an awesome movie!

[@realjohnlove]

14:41 Nicque Marina

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Yeah, I was kinda embarrassed to Nicque. She is much more enjoyable when she writes her own material. The Morbius tiktoks were pretty painful while her stuff is great.

[@realjohnlove]

@@AbitofEverything4U its a big gig that might lead to something more

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Good point! Yeah, maybe that's why she did it. I do suspect it raised her profile quite a bit!

[@realjohnlove]

@@AbitofEverything4U I saw her do commentary for Black Panther Wakanda Forever as promo before the film played in theaters so I would say it def helped open a door for her and probably lead to something even bigger.

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Awesome! Good for her!