Exploring When Solid State Batteries Will Arrive

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[@UndecidedMF]

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[@Think_Inc]

They’ll probably become mainstream a bit after the mid 2020s.

[@JohnnyWednesday]

They'll probably have uses in space long before they're economical - for rockets such as the electron with its electric turbo-pumps? it'll mean greater payloads - after initial adoption? it'll probably be 3 years before they're cheap enough for mobile phones, powertools etc - probably another 2 years until they're cheap enough for an EV - so.. 2027? ish?

[@elecengineer1422]

I really do not have a good guess, but why are we laser focused on transportation. Wouldn't solid state batteries come out for smaller devices first? Phones, watches, toys ect...?

[@blipco5]

When will they come to market? That depends on the political climate and how much money the oil companies will pony up to suppress the technology. My guess is they'll pay a lot. Why oil companies don't jump on board by installing charging stations in ALL their gas stations is beyond me. Eventually they will go the way of Kodak.

[@peterfireflylund]

As soon as the CPUs in our laptops and phones use GaAs instead of Si.

[@pauld6967]

The "...at an affordable price..." are the key words.

[@lukeearthcrawler896]

Yup. This is a point many people don't get about adoption of new technologies. Take the hyperloop. Is it feasible to build a giant vacuum tube? Sure. But as someone who designs ultrahigh vacuum chambers, I can tell you that the electricity costs to maintain vacuum integrity (even if it's a relatively poor vacuum - say a tenth of 1 atm) is crazy expensive so it will never make economic sense.

[@crashoverride93637]

Right affordable is relative I have 4 powerwalls most people wouldnt call 30k " affordable" but I would

[@pauld6967]

@@crashoverride93637 while what you say is true, I believe the operable concern is being affordable to produce to ensure a profit. Not to mention ensuring that the thing you are making isn't a "lasts forever" item like in the old days. Modern method is planned obsolescence to ensure you have to buy parts/a replacement, this keeping the company in business for decades. *Additional comment* Something I am surprised to see that I left out: Personally, I prefer the "lasts forever" method as that brings the company a good reputation for reliability. This was the core of why "Made in the U.S.A." was the benchmark to strive for.

[@DhavalBrahmbhatt2627]

More accurate word is sustainable. Whether this is possible at sustainable price.

[@crashoverride93637]

@@pauld6967 you can make a last forever item that still makes money after the sale, that's what wear parts are for as long as the user can self install them it's just as good as the old days, that was the difference they used replaceable wear 0arts instead of sealing the thing and chucking it when 1 thing broke

[@BOK-04]

The sheer volume of companies INVOLVED in the research, brings me hope that within the decade we will see this technology in everyday products. Fingers crossed from Massachusetts!

[@lordjaashin]

nuclear fusion power generation also has many governments and companies working on it but so far it isn't successful. just because so many people are working on it doesn't mean it will be successful

[@nczioox1116]

@@lordjaashin solar power is basically nuclear fission from a source 93 million miles away

[@calvinteh3297]

@@nczioox1116 The sun is nuclear fusion, not fission.

[@lordjaashin]

@@nczioox1116 thats irrelevant and you know that

[@Vaqek]

@@lordjaashin There is no way you can compare the development in energy storage and fusion power. One is being funded by basically every major electronic-anything company, the other? The other has one, although massive, project that is just slogging around since the 90s. Fusion power doesn't have a fraction of the funds and people working on it, that batteries do.

[@Darth_Insidious]

Its stunning that people have been trying to make these things commerically viable longer than fusion power.

[@TJayMid]

your pfp lives behind my eyelids rent free

[@nothing9220]

No... Its just got acceleration after success of Tesla...

[@nate_d376]

Maybe in 30 years they'll get it right.....

[@JorgetePanete]

10/10 English in this thread.

[@bcg10]

@@JorgetePanete for real, I’m having a hard time understanding

[@Mephmt]

This whole next decade is going to be extremely exciting!

[@UndecidedMF]

Agree 100%!

[@WayneJohnsonZastil]

Well not with Biden in power

[@alexb2082]

@@WayneJohnsonZastil oh man this guy's controversial. Watch out.

[@Sagittarius-A-Star]

@@WayneJohnsonZastil What I hate most: People pushing their political agenda everywhere. No matter what the topic is - Physics, Astronomy, Food, Nappies, Flowers, Pets, Architecture - they have to mention how good/bad some politician or party is.

[@shelekhov]

Yes with the economy probably following a 1929 course it can be very exciting.

[@nalzazlan]

Technological advancements like this is one of the reason I want to keep living. I want to see it happen.

[@soul0360]

With technological improvements in medicin going fast as well. Material research improving existing surgical implants, AI and robot assisted surgeries, Bionics, nanomedicin, 3D printed medicin, and so on. Depending on your current age, you might get to live a lot longer then you currently expect. So you might just see a lot of mind blowing stuff, before you leave your mortal coil. Best wishes and Good luck

[@Marksman123771]

@@soul0360 I wonder how this applies if I already expect to live longer because of the things you mentioned. I might be in a feedback loop.

[@danbradley7176]

Just need to live long enough to get to the singularity point, which is when your conscious mind can be migrated to a computer. 😉

[@lordjaashin]

except solid state battery is nothing but pipe dream

[@npalmi88]

Same here, this, evtols, 3d printing advancements, solar yachts, etc

[@yoda0017]

I stumbled across your channel today and I love how you break down these topics that could be considered complicated into easily digestible language. Great work! Looking forward to digging through your back-catalogue to educate myself.

[@btlepro]

Out of all the tech channels I love yours the most! Great content and video creation! Love it all! Keep it up Matt!

[@davidcavanaugh6199]

Great information and lots to process here. As always, thoroughly enjoy your videos Matt👏 Bravo!

[@2mustange]

What we really need is the right to repair to become larger so when these solid state batteries are more available we can make changes to our current devices to update them with these batteries.

[@loop5720]

True, companies are both wasting materials and loyal customers

[@shinikyokai8815]

When solid state batteries arrive your current devices will have long gone in the trash unless you're one of those people still rocking an iPhone 3G.

[@HelyoG]

@@shinikyokai8815 Let's take an iPhone 12 or 13 for example. Do you think you need to change it after 2-3 years? No

[@XFreeStyle1]

@@HelyoG do you still use an iphone 8? I bet not. Soon phones will get upgrades and foldables will take iphone 13's place.

[@idrissamorehouse5776]

Undecided is always so on point! Appreciate the relevant details you always include :)

[@UndecidedMF]

Glad you’re enjoying the videos.

[@twenty-fifth420]

>Me returning to my backlog of videos due to the last month of this semester being hell Matt: 9:00 >Mentions John B Goodenough OH SHIT OH GOD. THE MAN. THE MYTH. THE LEGEND. THE HERO. "BUT THAT WASN'T GOOD ENOUGH, THAT WASN'T GOOD ENOUGH!" *Joe Scott Chant Voice* JOHN. B. GOOOOOODEEENOOOOUGH also that cheered me up thanks matt god that was so nice to hear. I love it.

[@stopscammingman]

Thank you very much indeed for all these excellent updates. There's a lot to look forward to.

[@leviram4089]

Loved your hosting on Joe's channel! Didn't know you guys were friends :) Fan of both of you so amazing to see you work together!

[@nsanef]

lol same here, I’ve been subscribed to both for awhile love some Joe 🙌🏽

[@blu0x7d12]

Who's joe?

[@leviram4089]

@@blu0x7d12 answers with Joe, a similar channel

[@i-love-space390]

I love quality information delivered in an understandable way. And you don't dumb down the science either. Great channel. Thanks for making KZbin a source of knowledge rather than stupid content.

[@dylanosmond613]

New subscriber! . Great vid! And something that interests me, which is how I found this channel.. now just gotta watch older vids , get my learn on lol . Keep up the good work !

[@TomYourmombadil]

As a mechanical engineering major who wants to focus on materials science id love to do some solid state energy storage research. I think it’s one of the biggest hurdles in completely eliminating fossil fuels

[@sharonbraselton3135]

Np buy sold state vaters

[@colelider5480]

John Goodenough should have been the focus of this video. His partnership with the chemists creating glass batteries is beyond anything you covered in the video. Non-toxic, long lasting, environmentally friendly batteries will be revolutionary. Hopefully his new battery concept isn't buried by other companies

[@Withnail1969]

There are no glass batteries.

[@colelider5480]

@@Withnail1969 do you think it's really made of glass? You should look up John Goodenough and the research his colleagues are doing. It's a ferroelectric battery based on glass powder. Simply named: glass battery.

[@Withnail1969]

@@colelider5480 they don't exist.

[@colelider5480]

@@Withnail1969 it's just a name. It's not real glass.... I'd like a proper rebuttal and elaboration of why this doesn't "exist".

[@Withnail1969]

@@colelider5480 prove it exists. show me one.

[@mikiethebikie]

Damn good summary Matt. This is an important topic.

[@tommckinney1489]

We've been 5 years away from solid state batteries for the last 20 years, LOL! Yes, I agree ssb will be the next big thing for EVs and I am *patiently* waiting. QuantumScape seems to be in the lead, but there have been several hit pieces on them from short sellers. This practice should be illegal.

[@joebloggs1804]

Oh well in 2013 my laptop has an SSD but only

[@kaitlyn__L]

@@joebloggs1804 an SSD is for data storage not power storage

[@joebloggs1804]

@@kaitlyn__L Oh yes, that's right! I got confused. Only Li-ion polymer battery in that laptop, but solid state battery would be quite an advancement.

[@arontesfay2520]

Are you saying the practice of short selling should be illegal or that the practice of defaming companies you're shorting should be illegal?

[@kaitlyn__L]

@@joebloggs1804 I eagerly await solid state batteries. Although we’ll probably mostly just have lighter devices with the same lifetime rather than the same size devices with longer runtime :( even though I want the latter.

[@grand04gt]

Ever since i heard about the solid state batteries it really peaked my interest and seeing how car manufacturers are all trying to pivot to electric makes it that much more interesting. One massive issue i have with electric vehicles is the range anxiety which with a solid state battery with specs like that makes it seem less of an issue with only 10 or 15 minute charge times with even more range. One other massive issue is living in Ottawa Canada sometimes seeing possibly lower than -40°C makes it out of the range of the batteries

[@ianmatuszewski3962]

Hi Matt. Great work. Id love to hear your thoughts on the Princeton University Random Number Generator Experiment. Thank you.

[@BigEvy]

Can’t wait to have a hand tool that lasts far longer than what we’re used to now. Can you imagine an all day drill battery ? We can dream .

[@hillockfarm8404]

There are plenty of handtools that don't need a battery, so they'll last as long as the operator does AND run on that renewable powersource made by a movable biomass energyplant also known as a human being.

[@LackeysLack]

@@truantray Depends on the tool. Drill driver or impact driver battery seems to last a reasonably long time. But a reciprocating saw and something tough to saw will drain a battery in like 20 minutes.

[@smoothinterceptor8452]

You have earned it... So I have subscribed 👍🏻

[@johnmann394]

Great Vid. Aimed at my level, I now know about as much as I need to know for now. Thanks

[@pauls4857]

do you know you live in a simulation and everything is a lie? including this message.

[@johnmann394]

@@pauls4857 I dont care !!

[@dontmatter4423]

2:52 Oh wow thank you! I was watching that on my laptop with a dead battery that needs to stay plugged in to work. Definitely didn't give me concerns.

[@kaitlyn__L]

If it doesn’t deliver or take a charge anymore then it won’t grow the dendrites and it won’t cause any shorts. The dendrites grow during charging.

[@sharonbraselton3135]

Buy. See healing laptop bateri

[@sharonbraselton3135]

Buy. New lap top

[@amalgeorge6877]

Love the new aspect ratio👍

[@rydhwan]

The topic definitely grabbed my attention, hope much longer!!!

[@DrewKnightWV]

Great explainer, thanks, Matt.

[@patrickmckowen2999]

Great update 👍 Not soon enough! Cheers

[@UndecidedMF]

Thanks for watching!

[@wereqryan]

Love your vids. Can you do one on current and future trends in genomics? Much appreciated. :)

[@lemonheep]

Nice to see you also cover the hurdles a new technology needs to overcome. It's good to knkw what to expect and what more to do before we can fully commit to solid state batteries

[@nevadaxtube]

Excellent video Matt. Key words: uncertainty, potential, promises, unknown. The future holds many surprises and some might be revolutionary. Fingers crossed. If the promises are fulfilled, who does Tesla buy?

[@calmeilles]

10:20 "There's a lot of moving parts to bring solid state batteries to market."

[@RickinICT]

@@bet_big9917 it’s probably people reporting your comments to KZbin, because we can all recognize a pump-and-dump scheme.

[@andrewradford3953]

There are (plural) Is (singular)

[@ahaveland]

Solid state batteries actually do have squillions of moving parts - they're called ions and electrons!

[@ricardotavaresdias9037]

@@andrewradford3953 There is ONE lot of moving parts. There are MANY moving parts. Learn the language before you start teaching others maybe?

[@sub08Angstrom]

@@ricardotavaresdias9037 Or "There are lots of moving parts ..."

[@guyward4296]

Firstly I love the videos mate, informative, thoughtful and well delivered. My issue still with EV tech is the power grid and the ability of users to charge their vehicles, especially in large cities. I can’t even be sure I can park my car outside my house, let alone be able to charge it...

[@mickla409]

Informative. Thankyou. :)

[@buda3d2007]

Also 5y window can often mean when startup funding runs out ;}

[@Travlinmo]

Excellent review. I always think of the comment by Sandy Munro that was simply 'do we need solid state' with the 4160 from Tesla. The market will be big enough and we might need solid-state to make/allow airlines to shift.

[@matsv201]

You really cant have cylindrical solid state bateries due to the cell expansion.

[@FBPrepping]

Great video Matt. As a metallurgic engineer I find this quite interesting. Why this revolution started to happen while we have oil enough for a century? I couldn´t say. But I´m not exactly sad....even being a former oil company employee. I would love to own an Aptera some day.

[@SomeAndrian]

I'm surprised there isn't that much R&D into making the silicon anode for lithium-ion. I mean we have the resolution at 2-5nm; surely we can design some sort of nanostructure that can work for this purpose

[@Fusiongearz]

Hopefully improvements to clean energy production and lithium mining are also made.

[@rogerfroud300]

I'll believe these batteries when I see them. Coming up with something that works in the Laboratory is simple compared to making them cost effectively in enormous volumes. Even if they solve all of the technical issues, unless you can source vast volumes of raw materials, you're not in the game. By the time they even know for sure what materials they need, those are likely to have been allocated to other companies. I don't doubt that some of these batteries will be amazing and outperform anything we currently have. However, they are likely to remain expensive and largely irrelevant in the short to medium term since scaling production is so difficult with limited mineral resources.

[@SilvaDreams]

@@bet_big9917 Yes they exist, so what? The lithium battery has existed since 1957 and it took us till the early 2000's for it to see the consumer market due to the cost of them. It takes decades to drive down manufacturing costs and refining them to the point they can become common use and cheap enough to use.

[@rogerfroud300]

@@bet_big9917 - Cap-xx don't look like they're aiming for the EV market. Their expertise is in portable devices. It's highly unlikely that they would be able or interested in scaling this for EVs. The fact that they exist is irrelevant if they're not going to make it into EVs

[@cjwilson54]

@@bet_big9917 Ilika presently has a consensus target price of GBX 320, indicating a potential upside of 37.93%. Given Ilika's higher probable upside, equities research analysts plainly believe Ilika is more favorable than CAP-XX. www.marketbeat.com/stocks/LON/CPX/competitors-and-alternatives/

[@rogerfroud300]

@@bet_big9917 I couldn't find anything about Cap-xx and truck battery production. What is your source for that? There's a lot about Supercapacitors, but the battery side of the business seems to be all about portable applications. Cap-xx have a tiny market capitalisation, so they're not really in a good position to fund much development. To me they look like small fry without the ambition to enter the EV battery market, but I may be wrong. I doubt very much if Tesla are going to have issues with the Patents. They have developed many of their own processes, and probably won't be infringing any of them. Unless someone has very deep pockets and an excellent case, they would be crazy to pursue it.

[@It-b-Blair]

@@rogerfroud300 uhhh... the scale is just quantity. You don’t have to have a giant battery, but a bunch of cells linked till you get your desired capacity. Scaling wouldn’t be an issue for them.

[@dominicmcnamara]

Great video Matt.....real breath and transparency/even-handedness with all corporates and technologies presented. Congratulations. Sadly, I think solid state is at least 2030+ for large scale, cost-competitive production, as we're still yet to see the implementation of 4680 cells and a further likely iteration to a 60100 cell with superior chemistry/longwvity.....so the window for Li-ion cylindrical cells still has 6-8yrs and possibly 15yrs of cost leadership, specifically as those production factories will be at half life or more and they could easily reval. their fixed assets and thus teduce depreciation cost component to become more cost competitive, without a single change to technology.

[@hyphen2612]

I think once they successfully commercialized lithium solid state batteries. They need to look at other anode materials such as sodium and aluminum. Because there're simply not enough lithium to go around if we're consuming it at this rate!

[@SeanBlader]

The wealthiest of early adopters might own one in '26, but for the rest of us I wouldn't bet we have them until '30.

[@Fighter4Street]

I think they will be available in cell phones and drones, as they are such small batteries and people would pay for the extra capacity.

[@misha49ish]

Which isn’t very long :)

[@jonathanday4553]

@@tarstarkusz Right. Elon dosent make a Profit from his business of selling cars. Granted mine is worded different than yours. That's what makes yours so sad. It ignored the obvious.

[@jonathanday4553]

@@tarstarkusz Also the If ever part is funny. If it's possible it will be done.

[@davidbrayshaw3529]

If we're lucky. Battery production has lagged a long way behind demand which has forced prices up considerably. The global push toward EV's is only going to fuel the problem. Don't bet that batteries of any type are going to become cheaper anytime soon. If anything, battery prices will increase considerably. Driving will once again become the reserve of the well healed.

[@digital.olimon]

Whenever it's happens, it'll be a game changer for products

[@Fredric169]

Thx for the clear and crisp overview. 👍👍 it’s still some time for solid state batteries to come to market, but i’m sure they will come

[@flubalubaful]

The thing with technology that breaks others is that there are so many bridges to cross, and most of the bridge builders are the oil industry or incumbent battery manufacturers. Why do you think Elon asked LG and Panasonic and others to build the 4860 battery for them, because if they had left them out there would have been huge claims and accusations of wrong doing from lobbyists. As time goes by Tesla will manufacture all their batteries and those for other ev manufacturers.

[@Fredric169]

This is very true. Everybody wants to get a piece of the cake. If you handle them right, you will get quicker and with less resistance to your goal….

[@ads1021]

I am not sure why KZbin recommended this video to me since the topic is completely different from the videos I have been watching for that past year. However, I am glad it did. I think you are the first sizable KZbinr I have come across that lives in the same state I do. As someone who has done some research in the energy area as well, it was a bit refreshing to see a video that goes at least a bit beyond just the hype. Although, I think it would have been nice to mention that Ionic Materials's batteries are also manufactured roll to roll.

[@mackfisher4487]

Car company paradox: If Toyota or other car companies come up with a battery system that outlast the present replacement cycle of vehicle owners the car company potentially would lose money. Not that there is a planned obsolescence built into our automotive chain, but off the Golden Tower of theory this has to creep into the board rooms discussions.

[@RickinICT]

Virtually no new car buyers keep their vehicle to end-of-life. They drive it a few years, then trade it in on the newest, shiniest thing. Rinse and repeat. There’s no reason to think that would change. Sure, that used BEV may persist in the used market longer than current ICE vehicles (but probably not), but new car buyers are going to remain new car buyers. Almost none of them are driving the wheels off of each new vehicle they buy before trading it off on the next one.

[@R1___]

Toyota dosent wanna switch to electric

[@sharonbraselton3135]

Wrong bater kastbibg eachvyear

[@michaelhammond8215]

I like the way you do your intros. Okay, carry on.

[@UndecidedMF]

Ha! Thanks.

[@curthutchings511]

What is happening with that "battery display"? Love it! Will share that with my friends ( we all need a good laugh)

[@wealthchurch9829]

Thank for your insight I appreciate your hard work

[@ssjwes]

Can't wait for the future wars over precious metals. Exciting!

[@jakubrejzekjunior7349]

It reminds me of the ones in bronze age… We recovered from the last one only a few thousand years later.

[@damianlee4822]

Last time I checked it’s already happening for centuries though

[@sharonbraselton3135]

Yes. Che miotre using hyber earrings war Naches fisr nin fuselage ful motyy kear Ren renal envy too

[@mrkcmahapatra]

Thanks Matt 👍🏾

[@cykoth4413]

Really appreciate your take on this subject. I also learned several players that I didn't know about. This is the evolution of EV tech that will make me convert to an electric car.

[@JohnDoe-bd5sz]

Yeah, imagine buying an EV today, with 200 miles range at a heavily inflated price, that is only kept at bay by massive roadtax exemptions, incentive programs and so on. Who is going to buy this car in 5 years time, when the tech in these cars have evolved a lot, and if you at that time, then will be able to get a car that does 600 miles between charges. It's a bit like....Who would want to buy your mobile phone in 5 years....No one, as it would be very outdated, and a new one would be a LOT better.

[@royaldecreeforthechurchofm8409]

I've been waiting for this for 20 years.

[@Withnail1969]

Waiting for what? Nothing is happening.

[@R1___]

@@Withnail1969 fax

[@maxt7525]

Will we run out of the materials we mine to make these though?

[@user-di9xb3jz2c]

شكرا لنرجمه بالتوفيق ولكل مجتهد نصيب وهذا موضوع كبير جدااا

[@alexleinhardt4062]

Wow, very interesting. Well compiled and presented 😄

[@sid1234213]

Its so exciting to understand the possibility that the first car I'll ever buy could be an EV.

[@christiancampbell466]

@S C And autonomous.

[@andrewradford3953]

CT Might be my last car too. Would prefer a smaller format that can be parked in a normal car space in town. I don't want a Yank Tank, I want manoeuvrability, versatility, longevity, and autonomy when I reach 60, in another 10 years.

[@michiganengineer8621]

Back when automobiles were first introduced, electrics were on the roads (such as they were) before internal combustion vehicles.

[@phvaessen]

you will then probably NEVER buy a car, just rent an autonomous car (SAV) at $ 0.25 per mile :-)

[@percyfaith11]

@@michiganengineer8621 Yeah, hooked to an overhead wire or with a range of almost nothing.

[@tylerdurden3722]

It'll probably come simultaneously with fusion power plants. Every couple years, some marketing (that claims they're close) is done to attract investment for both of these technologies.

[@Withnail1969]

There will never be fusion power or solid state batteries. Both ideas have impossibility written in their DNA. It's like getting funding for a project to make water run uphill.

[@somethingelse9228]

@@Withnail1969 How?

[@Withnail1969]

@@somethingelse9228 water doesnt run uphill and nor will there be fusion power, ever.

[@somethingelse9228]

@@Withnail1969 Water could run uphill if you use an electric motor and sun uses fusion to generate it's energy

[@Withnail1969]

@@somethingelse9228 the point is that there will be no fusion power stations ever. we can't replicate the sun and keep it contained and generating reliable power.

[@ManyHeavens42]

Your good ! like what you've done with the Place !

[@MultipliedByZero]

I had no idea that batteries were made from Dip n' Dots. You learn something new every day!

[@DeilGrist]

This is exciting stuff. I hope the world remains stable enough for these changes to be realized.

[@christalbot210]

With the increase in Energy and the decrease in weight and size, I wonder if these new batteries would make commercial electric flying a possibility.

[@michaels3003]

Chris Talbot, aviation fuel has presumably 16 (!) times higher energy density than current batteries. Meanwhile, the **hope** is to double the energy density in the next decade or so.

[@latenight6815]

@@michaels3003 you can fly a little plane with gasoline that uses less litres of fuel than a car

[@legallyfree2955]

current battery tech can get a small electric plane about 150km (95ish miles), so if solid state batteries achieves its aim of double energy density then still no, not really.

[@crismayers1999]

Great video!

[@bob-ny6kn]

Your reference to the promises of electric vehicles in theb1970s made me laugh. My town was constantly seeing on billboards and in print "new e car factory moving in!" but nothing came. It was always followed with "after the fold" sell off or bankruptcy. The people tried so hard, again and again.

[@__WJK__]

Always find it interesting that the electric vehicle concept is 100yrs old (give or take) and that early (welcomingly simple) versions were operating in major cities during the peak/golden era of the electric trolley system! The major problem of course (among others) was the limited battery technology, which would not allow one to stray far from the overhead trolly wires and/or limited battery charging stations.

[@kaitlyn__L]

@@__WJK__ even outside of trolleybuses, electric cars with lead acid batteries were the norm for about ten years prior to the model T’s introduction. People liked them because they were silent and they didn’t need cranked. They are often marketed as being suitable for a woman to drive on her own because many women hated cranking an engine even though men were by and large cool with it. (Though thankfully Karl Benz’ wife had no such compunctions! She was responsible for a lot of important innovations on his initial design when she took it for a ride.)

[@chance20m]

"flashbacks of my 70s childhood" Hah, I thought I was older than him.

[@blwbisht]

Thanks 🙏 and appreciate it ❤️🎥

[@perigeedynamics5941]

My favourite part about John Goodenough isn't the tremendous amounts of contributions he has made to the world of energy storage. It's that his name is John B. Goodenough. He don't just B. Goodenough he's much more than that!

[@ProjectPhysX]

I was quite surprised to see my Uni in this video at 9:26 :D

[@sylviarohge4204]

Deutsche Universitäten gehören zu den Spitzenreitern in Forschung und Entwicklung. Wir haben nicht ein paar Eliteuniversitäten wie die USA sondern Dutzende XD. Und diese sind sogar für Normalsterbliche ohne riesige Geldbeutel, um dort Studieren zu dürfen.

[@anydaynow01]

This is why I'm a fan of using turquoise hydrogen (methane pyrolysis), the solid carbon can be used to manufacture battery parts or other materials to keep it out of the atmosphere, this process can be used until carbon free power generation is plentiful enough.

[@michaelsearnest]

No mention of waste. These SS batteries, like all batteries, eventually wear out and can no longer take a charge. Can the components be recycled into new SS batteries?

[@codename7000]

Very Historical keep the tech going!!!

[@fricken99]

This was amazing Matt!

[@UndecidedMF]

👍

[@SzTz100]

Some controversy with QuantumScape at the moment

[@lukeearthcrawler896]

Yup. It definitely smells bad.

[@Vermilicious]

I hear the names of many rare minerals. Is it really viable, I wonder.

[@loop5720]

I wonder if we can make Synthetic minerals

[@Withnail1969]

@@loop5720 stop wondering then, we can't.

[@hulk6315]

@@loop5720 yes maybe but just on lab scale atleast for this century lol

[@damonm3]

I’m glad to see that we’re making progress with battery tech. 3x is insane! Will be a decade before they’re implemented as replacements for li-on. Can’t wait for my 2030 super Ebike!!🔥🔥🔥🔥

[@David_J_B]

Another battery that I recently learned about is the sodium-ion battery. It's being worked on as something a lot cheaper to produce since sodium is all around us compared to lithium :)

[@mglmouser]

The more we hear of SSBs, the more the promises sound like marketing to stop buyers until some manufacturers are ready to ship.

[@siphotheguy1870]

I ate some bad chicken last night so batteries aren't the only thing I hope turns solid state soon.

[@fgregerfeaxcwfeffece]

I hope you have seen a doctor with that, Salmonella can be very very serious and you are describing symptoms of that.

[@siphotheguy1870]

@@fgregerfeaxcwfeffece I've been spraying poo all over the house. Completely redecorated the place.

[@user-sl6ou3qb9l]

@@siphotheguy1870 Contemporary decor You have good taste

[@siphotheguy1870]

@@user-sl6ou3qb9l Yes. The Jackson Pollock of liquid poop.

[@user-sl6ou3qb9l]

@@siphotheguy1870 The modernist new age plaster Completely self sufficient and biodegradable Gluten free

[@alii0268]

Well done report!

[@AllanSitte]

The solid state battery tech will go mainstream when the batteries can function in the most extreme temps effectively and safely. A large number of people around the world live in places that can get as cold as -30C (sometimes for many days). Keep in mind that some materials get very brittle at extreme cold temps, so that factor will be another engineering hurdle (among many). Many more people live in very hot regions where heat dissipation is challenging for all kinds of technologies. Additionally, aircraft and space travel will always need batteries that can handle extreme temps as well. If a solid state battery solution is developed to work in the most extreme temps with little degradation of performance, life cycle, or safety, that will likely be the battery tech to win the most hearts and minds. Of course, other factors come into play on the success of any battery solution, but environmental temperature is universal literally and figuratively.

[@pancakeface5717]

It's great to see so much capital commited to advance technology. There'll be some big winners here, too. Wish I knew which horse to bet on, lol.

[@teekay1785]

Pick several theres enough potential profit to make up for the losers. I might bet on whoever is affiliated with the larger and most popular vehicle manufacturers. They didn't invest their money without a reason but they may be hedging their bets also.

[@mylesgray3470]

I’ve invested in Quantum scape but if you listen to the short sellers, the whole company’s a scam. Short sellers say that about every new company that has any major success though so a short seller attack is par for the course at this point.

[@pancakeface5717]

@@teekay1785 Good idea. Bet a thousand on each on 5, if one or two are ten-baggers (or more) you're well into the black.

[@pancakeface5717]

@@mylesgray3470 Pump-n-dump in reverse. I just ain't right, but it happens.

[@royaldecreeforthechurchofm8409]

@@mylesgray3470 never short.

[@redpillgreenenergy141]

As Elon said, it's a very long way from a lab to mass-scale production.

[@samuelec]

Tesla is also very long way to be affordable. ..at least here in Ireland, the base model, costs like 3 average SUV or 5 city cars 😅

[@SilvaDreams]

Considering it took the Lithium battery from 1957 till the early 2000's to reach the common market... Yeah I can see it.

[@renan2469]

@@samuelec not that long if that $25000 car they are working on can be manufactured

[@logintuit]

Politics get in the way, too many people putting down Capitalism but that is what it takes to drive innovation.

[@DoctorX17]

Something I'm wondering -- will these be compatible with traditional lithium type batteries? Would be cool to be able to replace an old non solid state battery with a solid state one for upgraded capacity

[@brett4264]

Sounds almost like these batteries will arrive along with fusion power.

[@jackfanning7952]

In Never-neverland.

[@hodad99]

... talk about comparing apples to orangutans!

[@michaelsearnest]

These SS batteries are an obvious game changer. I did hear about governments getting involved, this is problematic because governments have short attention spans. I'm guessing the 2040's before these batteries are everywhere that my AA and AAA batteries are, not to mention my car battery and my solar powered batteries in my house.

[@lmwlmw4468]

Great video.

[@wernerrietveld]

I am interested in how the options stack up in terms of sustainability of the materials. Are they rare or abundantly available? Are they easy or impossible to recycle when they are at the end of their life cycle?

[@sharonbraselton3135]

Bio dredge baters

[@mcleodautomation]

I just finished writing an independent study for solid state, sodium ion, and lithium sulfur batteries yesterday. I know a lot of your sources lol

[@bullithedjames937]

So is it plausible to be an affordable alternative solution to lead acid?

[@mcleodautomation]

@@bullithedjames937 a possible alternative to lead acid could be Sodium ion or Lithium-sulfur batteries. Some companies already use lithium ion batteries for vehicles. A lot of the other uses for lead acid are for battery backup for hospitals or substations, and sodium ion would be a very good use for this. Sodium ion is cost effective, but not as energy dense.

[@mcleodautomation]

@@bullithedjames937 solid state won’t likely be widely used until manufacturing improves. Otherwise cost will be the main setback.

[@bullithedjames937]

@@mcleodautomation yeah energy density sounds like a nice factor but the real factor is price per usable Watt hour.

[@mcleodautomation]

@@bullithedjames937 Right, exactly.

[@sapelesteve]

Interesting video as always Matt! In the case of solid state batteries, seeing is believing. I think that this will wind up being a very long waiting game. Talk about a quantum leap........ 🤔🤔🥱🥱

[@ahmedm9557]

Hi Mat The “Baghdad Battery” - ceramic pot battery and the world's oldest “ceramic pot battery” was discovered in the remains of Khu jut Rabu, a village in the outskirts of the Iraqi capital Baghdad. This battery is more than 2,000 years old.

[@WASTEOFTIMESTUDIOS]

Just make sure to keep stun baton out of the capacitance gel!

[@snapshot79]

1:53 No, it is the separator (usually ceramic film) which separates anode and cathode.

[@mikehawk4517]

That caught my attention too.

[@sharonbraselton3135]

God. Anxious 400 times cyces

[@MrBizteck]

2035 I recon these timelines always slip and nobody accounts the 5-6 years between introduction and actual main stream acceptance.

[@JohnnyWednesday]

@ᴡɪɴᴛᴇʀᴍᴜᴛᴇ _ - Exactly. Elon isn't trying to stay in business - he's just making as much money as possible as quickly as possible for Mars. All other companies will build inferior products for this very reason - and Tesla while ultimately shooting themselves in the foot after 30 years? without their profit-first motivation? will wipe the floor with everybody else.

[@JohnnyWednesday]

@ᴡɪɴᴛᴇʀᴍᴜᴛᴇ _ - Planned obsolencense has become such a widespread dirty tactic over many decades - that the first company to stop doing it and actually build really solid products? will thrash everybody - they don't even see it as an option! and that is why they will fail.

[@matthewmanzi9504]

2035 is a good estimate. One issue is also that SS has to outperform current lithium batteries that are getting better all the time. The other issue is cost. Who cares if it's more energy dense if it costs 2 to 3 times as much.

[@captainzoll3303]

@ᴡɪɴᴛᴇʀᴍᴜᴛᴇ _ as far as planned obsolescence, I think they may simply shrink the buffers for over/undercharging the batteries, to give them more usable charge in the short-term, but sacrificing long-term durability. this way they could also make the battery pack physically smaller for the same range, making it lighter and minimising material costs. let's just hope they don't make the control boards fry themselves, but more importantly, they don't exploit the lack of right-to-repair laws.

[@fredbloggs5822]

They will be in the cars about the same time fusion powerstations come online.. ;-)

[@krzysztofcwik5347]

Thanks for this video, great job as allways. I think 2030 is possible for mass production devices and cars with SSB. This year is also timeline for many countries to bann ICE cars. Hope in few years for exapmle Rivian will have SSB installed in R1S, R1T to make them a bit lighter, with more range and good for cold winters in Europe:)

[@thePraddagee]

What Fields can one consider going into in order to compete, stay relevant and employable in the future with all this new tech emerging? Where should one focus (where you also don’t have to be a genius level internet to be successful)?

[@ogapplesauceboss7456]

I've been hearing this for years now. what's the hold up.... It's done been here and has existed for some time

[@pauls4857]

you are right it is just like the silicone chip they apparently had that for a long while.

[@melvinthedeathless.melvint6727]

It's probably just hype to drum up investors' interest, moreso given how red-hot the equity market is. QuantumScape has been accused of "unscrupulous" self-promotions.

[@acidset]

Have you seen the last balf of the video? It's not hard to believe that there's still some time to go before these things can be cost effective, mass produced and absolutely safe for the consumer

[@DietChugg]

They were supposed to be mainstream earlier this year but someone messed with my time machine and messed us all over...