The Emergence of Islam (2nd Edition) | What's New? | The Latest Developments in Islamic Studies

This is a discussion with Hassan Ahmad, a graduate student at Harvard University in Islamic Studies, about the new edition of my book, The Emergence of Islam. We discuss the argument of the book itself, new material in the second edition, and some recent developments in the field of Islamic Studies. I encourage you to watch the interview and obtain the new edition of the book which can be purchased here: www.amazon.com/Emergence-Isla...

[@James-wc3fc]

Your scholarship is genuinely amazing - I've learned so much, and this book being on audible is what lead me to discover it/you :) May many more versions come in the future!

[@harleyfreeriderzynra9554]

Much respect to both of you. As usual another video filled with rational and logical theories. Thank you Dr Gabriel for your continued work.

[@justtosuffer398]

Great video. I really enjoyed learning from the first edition of your book and it is my favorite book on the subject. I'll definitely check out the new edition if I have the chance! :)

[@BasedYeeter42]

Great interview, the title made me recall a similarly entitled work on early Islam by Aziz al-Azmeh. You should definitely get him on at some point

[@robhastings1005]

The field very much misses the presence and voice of Andrew Rippin. That said, many thanks to both gentlemen for their generosity of spirit in sharing their time with us.

[@matthewpopp1054]

Glad to see another video from Dr. Gabriel. I have an out the box question which I acknowledge is a bit of a stretch but here goes. Is there any connection between the Islamic Minaret and the Christian Stylite?

[@salaha64]

Thank you so much.. looking forward to hearing your discussion and buying the book.. is it going to be available in Kindle, kobo or even audible?

[@gavinjames1145]

We don't have any (extant) books written in Arabic before the Qur'an? We don't have any extant Companion Qur'ans from before the Uthmanic recension, either, but at least we know that they existed at an earlier time. Clearly, there was a tradition of writing manuscripts in Arabic. It simply cannot be claimed with certainty that there were no books written in Arabic before the Qur'an, only that none survive.

[@ahmedshah6360]

Very interesting! Will this book come out in audible as well?

[@A.--.]

A cross is also used by Mandaeans so its not necessarily christian inscription if it has a cross only.

[@fadiljelin7297]

Yes - and the cross has a completely different significance and origin for them.

[@karlxtrava]

Another wonderful video. Please have Hassan Ahmad back to discuss his graduate research.

[@SaintOtter]

Do you also address the coins from the time period and the features on them?

[@ExploringtheQuranandtheBible]

just briefly - Abd al-Malik's reform of the coinage is discussed.

[@SaintOtter]

@@ExploringtheQuranandtheBible Reform can be used as an eufemism. Before that moment there were no Islamic coins. They have Christian or Zoroastrian symbols, pictures and texts. There is no way a "real Muslim" would accept that. Those guys weren't "Muslim" in the modern sense.

[@killerpie5981]

⁠@@SaintOtter it’s just coin Muslims didn’t care for the most part they used Sassanid coins in Iraq Persia and Byzantine coin in the west. They didn’t care about many standard things like language of administration or even having a navy. They lived in separate cities from the local majority

[@SaintOtter]

@@killerpie5981 Coins were a means to proclaim who the ruler is and what his religion is etc. If you look at the coins from the first caliphs, they are NOT Islamic. They contain Christian and Zoroastrian symbols. Would that be allowed and would that make sense in an Islamic caliphate? No. They would never create such coins. Yet, they did.

[@A.--.]

Is the questioner a sunni or ahmadia or ex-muslim? Everyone needs to disclose their positions so we can compensate for soft ball questions.

[@----f]

Could you please have a conversation with Dr. Ali Ataie? I'd love to see where you and him agree/disagree.

[@----f]

@ExploringtheQuranandtheBible

[@salaha64]

Could the book be available at Kindle please please pleeeeeease 😅

[@TheLasthourAA]

😅 That will be great

[@Y2KMillenniumBug]

In a weird way, I need it to validate the damn schisms that keep happening and the financial system is not being understood correctly because there is no progress but lots of cross pacific proposing of value using all sorts of Media but because main stream investors looking at wall street and the social media generally looks at main street, they totally look at different things and serve different customer groups. Also, everything needs to be translated into understandable information here in the East Coast of Asia, namely Malaysia. Here is where things start to get interesting hahaha and also unexpected turning point. 🤓

[@A.--.]

The monk verses aren't necessarily revealed in early mecca bescuse it also mentions jews, sabiens etc. Just beacue s surah is called Meccan or Medinan doesnt mean every verse inside it was revealed in those periods.

[@Y2KMillenniumBug]

So my family name, YONG, doesn't have that. Mine given name does has some biblical implications though which fit quite soundly in the broad narratives of the story. YEW KUAN, something to do with Justice and JUST..

[@A.--.]

Praises of John's martyrdom sound more like Madaeanism than Christianity

[@Y2KMillenniumBug]

So that's why we need to round it up and bring the whole narrative to it's finalized form. At least we can actually ask Bible believers to get a more wholesome understanding of the whole story and they maybe can get a new Bible. Yeah I do have that in mind because I am not Christian but I want them to get it and understand it trught as yes they also influence Judaism and Muslim or Islam because we are late with the timeline. I had been waiting for people to catch up from their BC timeline and bring it up to date.

[@Y2KMillenniumBug]

It's the great ENGLISH bible & Qur'an Schism. So can I ask what the 99 names of Allah are? Does it have anything to do with labeling amongst religious people on the person who shall not be named. My sources from the media industry seem to drop hints like that. My last straw is from Jackie Chan cause he is retiring. Even Michelle Yeoh Ke Huy Quan (Goonies) have to make an appearance to remind me if something Biblical is coming my way.

[@Y2KMillenniumBug]

So we wait until I give Miraculous heeling of the willfully blind during my resurrection.

[@A.--.]

Medina had Monotheistic Jews awaiting the arrival of a prophet and they definitely knew of pilgrim going south to Mecca from places so no surprise there

[@A.--.]

There are hadeeth regarding moon and sun acial rotation by Sahaba bro what are you talking about they didnt explore explanation for scientific miracles

[@A.--.]

Montgomery Watt didnt read Michael Haart

[@A.--.]

The phrase camels thru needle is a metaphor used by prophets. It is one of the preserved phrases from Jesus that Quran validates.

[@Y2KMillenniumBug]

Maybe Arabic has something to do with Jawi. So again maybe it has to do with where the Bible story took place.

[@Y2KMillenniumBug]

We will know this after the resurrection of the Buddhist Monk a.k.a. Maoist King... I set it on the 15th June 2023. In order to transist, people should know who they are talking about because we are simply guessing. We got here all messed up because they never really could find Jesus. So how to call Christian an organized religion if they simply schism each and everytime they try to avoid the Big question that they want to answer?

[@navienslavement]

Take your meds

[@Y2KMillenniumBug]

Doctors are of so many levels now that we generally can call myself an institution because they most probably got it from studying societies over here. Oh I am M.I.T. at it's current form. Hope it doesn't change the name again.

[@A.--.]

Surah Nisa is medinan surah

[@Y2KMillenniumBug]

Usually only people with free time to study all these sorts of things will be paying attention. Normal Tom, Dick and Harry really don't do anything of that sort. So we just need a study of a broad and inclusive discipline and detail over time and by now, it has already leaked into the real world, real people and real Business. So it's messy cause effecting human rights, privacy, the question of religion, nature of god, democratic values, history and psychological study of all sorts of studies going on in the Western places... So I see you all 15th June 2023 Malaysia for myself resurrection cause it's so suffocating when people from all levels keep missing the point that I am under the iceberg in a place that icebergs don't usually develop because it's the tropics and the whether is Hot like Hell sometimes. I just need a break.

[@A.--.]

Send us PFD

[@A.--.]

Hopefully no drawings of Prophet or Sahaba

[@A.--.]

Wrong again Gabe. The earliest interaction of muslims with christians happened in meccan period during the hijrah to abassynea by the persecuted muslims. The early verses pertaining to christians were revealed to get the muslims ready to dialoge with that nice christian king.

[@A.--.]

Of course Quran is concerned with all people of all religions. Your click bait was that doscovery of inscriptions somehow dismantles the traditional narrative and that there was a rise of monotheism before prophet Muhammad. Brother there have always been a strand of people on the Truth giving Dawah do if they inscribed correct statements thats acceptable.

[@A.--.]

Its easy to find out which stories of revelations are authentic and which are opinions. If its isnad can be traced back to Prophet or Sahaba via aurhentic Hadeeth then those are valid. If it cannot then they are opinions. BTW: Deobandis are famous for making up stories so dont reference their books look at more aurhentic books like Masnooah wgich is 24vol arabic only text that gives verse + hadeeths combo.

[@Y2KMillenniumBug]

Dunno what map people are using and don't even want to simply put a label on people and their belief because it's all from the same story board and they reusing again and again. Mind you even God has a limit as we need to know God also must have a healthy bank balance so that he could give more blessings. Hahaha 🙏😇 Come on guys, be more logical as you are killing him. My lost sheep / lamb. Is Lamb (Islam?), and if you think about Chinese Script, you all may be misinterpreting Yeung (Lamb) but then again not to be mistaken for goat because the script will definitely be represented with 2 horn on it.

[@riazmongratie4440]

What must be understood is that the Quran is God speaking to all of creation for all time. You seem to be studying it based on the time period in which it was sent and trying to figure how some man could have known all these facts. 36:20 It’s God speaking. Acknowledge that first and then study the book from that perspective. Quran 2:134 (Malik Quran Translation) They were a people that have passed away. They shall reap the fruits of what they did, and you shall for what you do. You shall not be questioned about what they did. We need not understand the history of the circumstances when it was revealed, rather we should study how it applies to here and now. It’s a book that could potentially unite us as worshippers of the same God. There’s only One God and therefore only one religion in different forms. We worshipping the same God just following different paths. The Quran is the book to clear the disagreements and distortions of the previous generations. If there was no distortion there would not have been a need to send a new Messenger. The ultimate truth was sent being God Himself talking. This should be the end of the debate, the Quran is the ultimate truth. See it not as a book that calls for a new religion but rather as the book to correct your form of religion. Quran 2:132 (Malik Quran Translation) This was the legacy that Ibrahim (Abraham) left to his sons and so did Ya'qoob (Jacob), when he said: "O my sons! Allah (God) has chosen for you this Deen (way of life), therefore, die not unless you are Muslims (submission to the Will of God)." Quran 2:135 (Yusuf Ali Quran Translation) They say: "Become Jews or Christians if ye would be guided (to salvation)." Say thou: "Nay! (I would rather) the religion of Abraham the true and he joined not gods with Allah (God)." Quran 3:19 (Yusuf Ali Quran Translation) The Religion before Allah (God) is Islam (submission to His will): nor did the people of the Book dissent therefrom except through envy of each other after knowledge had come to them. But if any deny the Signs of Allah Allah is swift in calling to account Quran 3:83 (Yusuf Ali Quran Translation) Do they seek for other than the Religion of Allah? While all creatures in the heavens and on earth have willing or unwilling bowed to His Will and to Him shall they all be brought back Quran 3:95 (Yusuf Ali Quran Translation) Say: "Allah speaketh the truth: follow the religion of Abraham the sane in faith; he was not of the pagans." We are all Muslims following different Messengers. Apply the truths of the Quran to your form of religion. If you study it with that intention, surely God will guide you to even deeper truths.

[@bhaashatepe5234]

Do you remember Zakir Naik once said that the Prophet was mentioned by name in the Bible? yes. he was right. the Strong's Hebrew: 4261. מַחְמַד (machmad), meaning desirable, or the precious One! But apparently he forgot to mention that the word MHMD was also mentioned in a Rabbinic inscription in the Himyarite Kingdom in Yemen in 523 CE. A Himyarite inscription dated 523 CE contains the word MHMD, the Praised One. Himyar was a Kingdom in ancient, pre-Islamic, Yemen was gradually become the main influential power in Yemen from 350 CE to 570 CE. Contrary to the Islamic tradition about religiosity in the pre-Islamic Arabia, the Kingdom adopted Judaism as its official religion from the 4th century to 530CE, then adopted Christianity from 530CE to 570CE. Some members of prominent families of the kingdom later played a major role in early Islamic Syria. My question: what was MHMD doing in Yemen in 523 CE? why did MHMD appear in a wrong place and a wrong time? (the birth of the prophet is 570 CE and the place of birth is Mecca). What is the real meaning of the Quranic word MHMD? Does it refer to a name? or does it refer to a title, a concept, such as the Praised One, the Precious One and most accurately a Jewish concept regarding a Messianic figure that was believed by a Messianic Jewish community in Yemen who later became one of the influential groups in establishing the first Islamic community in Syria? btw, just in case your Sheikh want to know the source: The Judaism of the Ancient Kingdom of Ḥimyar in Arabia: A Discreet Conversion. You can find it online. ==== 'Incidentally, the term Mḥmd given to God is intriguing. It perhaps echoes a text invoking “Raḥmānān and Ḥmd-Rḥb” since, in the second name (unfortunately, also enigmatic), one finds the same root ḤMD. The spelling of the deity’s name Mḥmd seems identical to that of Islam’s prophet. One cannot be sure this identity is significant because the vocalization of these two names may differ (for example, Maḥmūd and Muḥammad). We know that some reformers were nicknamed after the deity they claimed to worship; this could also have been the case with Muḥammad (whom the Qurʾān also calls Aḥmad).'

[@kronos01ful]

The Quran is not about God speaking more than Muhammad limited understanding of the Bible.

[@bhaashatepe5234]

@@kronos01ful as a Non Muslim and a person who is interested in the Quran and the historicity of Islam, I encourage people like you to read the Quran with critical thinking. I think the Quran was written by either non trinitarians or messianic Jews. if you have had basic understanding of the theological debates especially about the christology in early centuries of christianity, you will find so many interesting verses that allude to those things for example you can better understand the QS 4.157, about the crucifixion of jesus, with the understanding that the Quran is actually engaging in the debate about the (two) natures of Jesus and that Jesus was half divine, thus not God, and was half human. His human nature was only his apparition of his (half) divine nature. Thus Jesus did not really suffer on the cross (Docetism). what i am trying to say is that Non muslims should understand the Quran so that we can defeat the islamists because we can't defeat something that we don't know about.

[@bijosn]

@@bhaashatepe5234absolute lies😂 momo was not mentioned in the bible

[@bijosn]

Nope, there were no witnesses to momo getting s revelation from Alan jn a cave

[@A.--.]

Its not solving your problem Gabe. The verses of Surah Maryam were revealed to respond to the christian king when news came he was giving muslims assylum. This was a way to inform the king of who the muslims were and what was common among them in belief. It was actually a miracle. That king later because Muslim.

[@A.--.]

Wrong again Gabe. No Muslim picks and chooses their narrative according to convincence or feelings. We look at authentic isnaad to verify which traditions are reliable. Also some stories are unknown or unclear and they dont impact the belief system.

[@A.--.]

Laxity of jesus? Bring my enemies here so i can slay them! LoL you 2 are a joke professor but keep the pay stubs coming

[@A.--.]

When you say Quran is concerned with Christian claims.... of course Gabe there is overlap beacuse both Jesus and Muhammad are Muslim. Those deviated parts of christianity by Paul is what is rejected.

[@asherlim6608]

Paul Paul and Paul 😂😂😂 you just fitna about what St Paul has done to teach about true God and holy scripture 😂😂, it is very, very embarrassing if a Meccan pedophile is compared to a person chosen by God to deliver the message of the Bible to the whole world with his students 🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@A.--.]

For clarification on sects in islam please ask engineer Muhammad Ali Mirza KZbin channel not Gabe. He hasn't read the sect books in Urdu/hindi

[@A.--.]

All future students please ask Gabe about islam but then go ask Sheik Uthman as well. One message foundation KZbin channel

[@asherlim6608]

Shake footnote 😂😂😂

[@eye1736]

This channel is interested in the academic study of Islam. Why would they interview Uthman?

[@A.--.]

@@eye1736 Accademic + Islam + Study = searching......: Uthman!

[@eye1736]

@@A.--. By academic I mean Historical Critical scholarship.

[@A.--.]

@@eye1736 maybe if Gabe brings him on people will be surprised at his dept and breath of study/knowledge.

[@preapple]

sounds too politically correct

[@bhaashatepe5234]

well, it's their job to be politically correct! and it's our job as non scholars to spread the non politically correct consequence of the lecture.

[@user-kj8yl6sn2z]

Frankly, any doctor or professor studying in an Islamic college in the Western world does not care. Because the criterion of studying in a reputable Islamic university is an important criterion for studying Islam from authentic sources such as the Islamic University in Madinah, the Imam Muhammad bin Saud Islamic University in Riyadh, the University of Sharjah, or the Islamic University in Pakistan, etc.. from the most prestigious Islamic universities among Muslims.

[@Stardust475]

Listen to what Yasir Qadhi had to say about these "clerics" (not scholars) in his infamous 2020 interview!! "By and large they are cluless about developments in western world... they regurgitate what their teachers have told them.." Also, the least academically gifted people end up in Islamic Studies in the Muslim world. Everyone in the Muslim world knows this. Even the clerics have noted it. Islamic clerics don't have a response to any of this because they're not engaging with it and hide what their own sources say about Quran codification, amongst other things!

[@salaha64]

😂😂😂

[@dakhilaf]

@@Stardust475 have you ever heard of Sheikh Mohammad aldido ? Him alone has more knowledge than the whole Islamic studies department of any western university. You are the who is clueless sir. You just don’tknow it.

[@thenun1846]

Lol sounds like a cope

[@user-kj8yl6sn2z]

@@dakhilaf It is foolish for some Westerners to think that we will listen to or read everything related to Islamic colleges from the Western world because of course the university funders are not Muslims and therefore an unhealthy environment for learning and benefiting from it. It is better to pay attention to the studies of Islamic colleges in the Islamic world only, which are not subject to non-Muslims